Holy smokes!

Well, this has turned out to be one interesting day. This blog has been melted down a few times over the last couple of hours with Canadians logging on because, I would presume, they’d like to see why it is I have been removed from the Conservative bosom.

Well, knock yourself out. All my words are here. Judge for yourself.

I have said here many times, and consistently since I was elected this last time, that I work for the voters – the people, the taxpayers. After that I heed my party and the political establishment. All are important, of course, but the people come first.

And people, seems to me, want political leaders and MPs who look at every opinion, chew over ever idea, kick every notion, and then decide what’s best. The older I get and the more people I run into, the more I understand this is not a black-and-white world. Despite the yelling in Question Period. Despite the events of today in the caucus room.

So, being kicked out of the Conservative Party is unfortunate, and I’ll be going back to my riding soon to explain things to those voters who wanted a Tory to represent them. But no party – in fact, none of us – has a lock on perfection. The irony is that I’ve been a Conservative longer than most people who call themselves that these days, and my beliefs have not changed. Idid not leave my party, or my convictions, at the caucus room door.

Now, I’ll be the best MP I can. Count on it.


#1 Glen on 10.18.06 at 3:12 pm

I’m with you Garth – the Conservatives have lost one hell of an MP!

#2 Aaron on 10.18.06 at 3:13 pm

Wow. Caucus finally responded to your provocations. Congrats to them.

#3 Ed Brooks on 10.18.06 at 3:15 pm

Email sent to the CPC:

I have made several donations to my local riding association over the last year or so, based on the strength of my local MP. Unfortunately, it appears today you have chosen to suspend him.

If this is not rectified to my satisfaction, you have lost not only my financial support, but also my vote.

Yours sincerely,

Ed Brooks

#4 Chris on 10.18.06 at 3:16 pm

Garth, I have never agreed with your politics. Ever. But getting kicked out of the Conservative Party is the best thing to happen to the only Party capable of governing this country: the Liberal Party.
Maybe you’ll see the light and come on over…?
Take it easy.

#5 Red Tory on 10.18.06 at 3:17 pm

Hang in there Garth! The fact you are outspoken is one of the reasons most people like you, even if they don’t always agree with you. We need more politicians like that, not just caucus robots.

#6 David Jenkins on 10.18.06 at 3:18 pm

Garth – being kicked out of this caucus is no disgrace. Clearly having the courage to stand up for what you believe is right is not acceptable to Harper and his synchophants. Those of us who believe we are true Conservatives can only hope that others will have the courage to speak out against this pervertion of our values.

#7 Stephen Webb on 10.18.06 at 3:18 pm

So is there an actual entry that they have chosen as a reason to kick you out of caucus? It seems fairly revolutionary that a simple weblog can cause someone to be kicked out of their own political party. Well just as well for you, like you said, your opinions don’t change either way. Your riding still elected the same person.

Lets probe the thoughts of our other MP’s… I’m sure we could find some things that would get them kicked out also.

#8 Sherm on 10.18.06 at 3:20 pm

Mr. Turner:

Shame on the PC party. You have allowed all voices, negative and positive on your blog. You are honest and open, something your party leader obviously doesn’t appreciate. While I am non-partisan, I have often read your blog and found it to be refreshing, interesting, informative. The average voter will not understand this is a party decision, they will see it as one more example of Mr. Harper’s need to control. Frankly it scares me.

#9 Not surprised on 10.18.06 at 3:20 pm

You got bit by your own mouth, fella. All your blather about sticking up for the voter aside, what happened to you is what happens when a politician thinks only of himself. You will not agree, I know, but then, that’s the problem, isn’t it?

#10 Ron Watson on 10.18.06 at 3:22 pm

Well Garth your finally recognized as a mole. How much are the Fiberals paying you for behind doors info????

#11 Dewald on 10.18.06 at 3:23 pm

Maybe you don’t know the meaning of the word ‘conservative’. How can you call yourself one when you ridicule people who hold conservative views on social issues? Why don’t you call yourself a red tory, or a social liberal, or anything other than conservative. Good riddance to you. May you go down in history as nothing more than a slight rash on an elephants ass.

#12 Chris Spearman on 10.18.06 at 3:23 pm

Join the Green Party Garth.

Give Elizabeth May a voice in the house.

It’s possible to be Green and conservative at the same time.

#13 Paul O on 10.18.06 at 3:23 pm

There was a time, shortly after the election, when you seemed to realize that your best route to accomplishing your goals was to not have those who support you undermine your own efforts, as you had been doing at the time to the rest of your own team. What happened to that? When did the only “people” that matter to you become the one you saw in the mirror in the morning?

#14 James on 10.18.06 at 3:24 pm

I’m going to echo what others have said: Hang in there Gart! Imagine, using the Internet to actually communicate with the Canadian people! I guess it was too progressive for the Refor..Conservative Party.

#15 trachys on 10.18.06 at 3:24 pm

You have far too much style for a party of sycophants … if only you served Canada’s working-class agenda, I’d move back to Halton to offer my undying support and loyalty.

Never change! I have NO desire to return to Milton!

#16 nussy on 10.18.06 at 3:25 pm

I voted Conservative the last election because I thought that we needed a change. Boy was I wrong. We have a change but for the worse. Within a year the Liberals will be back in power and Mr. Harper will retire.

#17 Bene Diction on 10.18.06 at 3:28 pm

Mr. Turner:

You’ve had quite the day.
I’m not impressed with The Conservative Party right now. I’m angry, while I understand you have to be a team player, being a maverick isn’t a crime.
There are a lot of us in Canada that don’t mind people that have solid opinions.

We want to know what these potential accusations mean…breached caucus confidentiality and parliamentary protocol.

Unanimous? Illegal?

Thank you for being the best MP you can be. Blog on!

I am voter, here me roar.

#18 Chris on 10.18.06 at 3:28 pm

Sherm, FYI…the PC Party no longer exists thanks to Peter MacKay.

#19 Michael on 10.18.06 at 3:28 pm

I support you Mr. Turner. I believe in government by the people, not by the person. Keep up the great work.

#20 Lorna on 10.18.06 at 3:28 pm

Mr. Turner.. Stick to your guns. There should be many more like you. Go and become another outstanding Independent. I once lived in your riding, and I presently live in the riding formerly represented by Chuck Cadman.. It takes people like you and him to speak up and not just tow the party line.. Well done! Lorna

#21 Scoro on 10.18.06 at 3:28 pm

Garth: What you said on your blog about what people want in their politicans is dead on. I’m not partisan (particularly not a conservative) but if you started your own party I would vote for my local candidate under your leadership. Heck, I might even run. Thank you for your honesty and your bravery.

#22 Bill Costello on 10.18.06 at 3:29 pm

Damn! I was hoping to see you in the next leadership race! Same old, same old. It seems to be a western problem. I used to be a local Reform riding director here in Ontario and Calgary HQ was always sticking its nose in – as in the disasterous Copps byelection campaign. The West just doesn’t understand the East and if they don’t get it while insisting on being control freaks then we’ll be doomed to Liberals running the eastern half of Canada forever.

#23 Mike Zalewski on 10.18.06 at 3:29 pm

Good for you Garth!
It’s good to see some politicians still know that they are simply a representative of the people who voted for them. Doing the right thing sure is out of fashion these days, and I applaud you for championing freedom of speech and questioning your aprty on the tough issues they are not dealing with adequately.


#24 Murray Miskin on 10.18.06 at 3:30 pm

It is vital that an MP be able to speak freely and question authority. Otherwise you can not serve your constituents. Bravo for being a great MP and serving all of Canada. Have you considered joining the Liberal caucus? I am sure they could use your help. Good luck whatever you do. Murray Miskin

#25 jj on 10.18.06 at 3:31 pm

Looks good on you Garth—
The folks of Caledon!

#26 Dean Leclair on 10.18.06 at 3:31 pm

I think red would be a better colour than green. Either way you actually, and technically, don’t have to cross the floor. Tough choice for a man with an unbridled no nonsense approach to Canada’s issues. BTW I am a life long card carrying Liberal – who apprecieates your work ethic and loyalty to rational thought on public policy. This will only serve build momentum for our leaderless party. Take care and hang in there!!

#27 kk on 10.18.06 at 3:32 pm

wow wow wow wow wow!

it’ll be interesting to hear your news conference. as well as the cpc news conference.


#28 mike on 10.18.06 at 3:33 pm

Hang tough Garth. I always said I voted for you in spite of the conservative party, not because of it, and I think you’ll find enough voters like me in the next election.

#29 Sean P. Hogan on 10.18.06 at 3:33 pm

Its about time the CPC caucus speaks up, unlike you Garth, they’ve been silent about your loose lips. Almost everyone knew this was going to happen at some point, unfortunately, Garth made it sooner than later.

#30 Matt on 10.18.06 at 3:34 pm


Well, the Conservatives have made a big mistake. By dumping you, they’ve lost a potentially valuable long-term asset.

What about joining the Green party? You’d make history as the first sitting Green MP, and I doubt they’d smack you down if you disagree with some of their policies in the same way that you have with the Conservatives.

Just a thought…

#31 Not a Red Tory on 10.18.06 at 3:35 pm

They made the right decision. Your views were very much out of line with conservatism on social issues, and it is called the Conservative Party of Canada. Someone who calls religious people “Taliban” and “Flowers of Evil” should not be in a conservative party. It is a free country and your views should be open and permitted, but they should be done in the right group – that being the Liberal Party of Canada.

#32 Emily on 10.18.06 at 3:35 pm

The black-and-white, with-or-against and stubborn “We don’t cut and run” mode of the “new’ government has made for a small umbrella. They don’t represent me or over 50% of Canadians. No matter how many questionaires I fill out for my MP, I never hear issues I’m concerned about debated or even mentioned as possibly interesting ideas. This limiting of debate scares me and mine. I wish I lived in your riding. I know YOU think.

#33 Marc on 10.18.06 at 3:36 pm

Garth, Is Raheem Jaffer the same former reformer who got his assistent to fill in for him on a radio talkshow a few years ago? If he is I wonder why he would be the spokesperson for the CPC . Seems like a dishonest person to me but maybe that is what the CPC wants. Regards

#34 Richard on 10.18.06 at 3:38 pm

Well, Garth, I am not shocked. I am sure that you considered this eventuality when you made your choice. While I laud your commitment to working for your constituents, I am, at the same time, somewhat disturbed by your public criticisms of the PM and the party in light of the slim majority. The PM has enough problems with Opposition without having one in his midst.

Breaking caucus confidentiality is just not the right thing to do – this is a breach and you have only now paid the price.

I hope, Garth, that should you ever join a political party that you will at least try to adhere to some semblance of decorum – you can work for your people and still follow protocol. It is possible.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to being overly enthusiastic about representing your constituents (one of whom is my own mother). On the other hand, Garth, you did come across as a major shit-disturber who refused to comport himself in a dignified manner.

I do like your independence but I also like it to be coupled with dignity and decorum. Time will tell if you will succeed as an independent.

And, no Garth – you have not been a conservative longer than most – lots of us are lifelong conservatives.

#35 Adley on 10.18.06 at 3:39 pm

Since all MP’s in the CP caucus are gagged, then the decision must have come from the main “gagger”, or Harper. Congrats, you were the only outspoken odd one out.

#36 Jack’s Newswatch on 10.18.06 at 3:41 pm

[…] ference at 5:00 pm EDT. Update:  Garth explains why his blog went down (high traffic) and he’s back with a new entry.  


#37 greenconservative on 10.18.06 at 3:42 pm

Mr. Turner, after reading your blog and listening to your interview with Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, could Canada be getting it’s first Green MP? Just curious…

#38 Grassroot Conservative on 10.18.06 at 3:42 pm

Well Garth, as I mentioned earlier, I hope that this can be resolved in a way that brings us all back together again. I just hope that today has suggested to you that there are those out there, in the party and in the world who take offense to the way that you don’t tollerate those whom you don’t agree with. Please, take the next few days and think about where the rest of us are coming from when we say that you’re out of line or being destructive. I personally have no problem with you having a blog or with being very vocal in your opinions, but tactfulness is always necessary! This is especially when you’re an MP and certainly when you’re committed to a team. If you feel that you still don’t want to play on our team, than all the best to you, really! You’ll still be commended by us for advancing MP effectiveness (ala MPTV, this site and the townhall meetings for example); it’ll just be a shame that a few out of order comments will have caused this situation to be permanent.

PS-Given what you said about Belinda last year when she switched parties, are you still committed to not joining another party until you’re elected under its banner in Halton?

#39 Chris Ariens on 10.18.06 at 3:43 pm

Garth, although I voted for another party in the last election you have earned my respect over the past year, with your candor and commitment to being the true voice of your riding. As far as “saying anything nasty about fellow members of the Conservative party”, there has been nothing mentioned within the blog or elsewhere that constitutes a personal attack on your fellow members of the CPC. Sure, you haven’t spoken out in favour of everything the government has done, but only the most rigid ideologues or utter sheep could possibly be held to that standard. Just called ’em as you sees ’em, and gained a lot of support from your constituents in the process. Unfortunately your party does not seem to be able to handle that kind of accountability.

With the recent comments Mr. Turner has made on the importance of climate change, and meetings with Ms. May of the Green Party, I think Garth has a chance to do something truly historic for Canada, and switch to the Greens. This would certainly make that party far more respectable, give it a national profile and be seen as the real “Progressive Conservative” alternative. I have often felt that if it had some fiscal conservatives to help balance out the sometimes radical leftist and idealist fringe that is traditionally associated with the “environmental movement” the Green Party would be the best government to guide Canada into an uncertain future with respect to energy security and a sustainable economy. Conservation and Conservatism go hand in hand in my opinion. Preserving our prosperity for future Canadians is the number one goal for all of us, and much of that prosperity is derived from the natural legacy that we received from the land. It’s only prudent that we do whatever it requires to allow it to sustain us indefinitely.

Of course the only problem with switching to the Green party is that it may go against some of the things Garth has said in the past about the Emerson affair. Still, I’d love to see you go Green, Garth!


#40 Steven on 10.18.06 at 3:44 pm

I’m not a conservative, large or small C, but Mr. Turner, you are/were the Conservative MP most respected/trusted, and I think the party/Ontario caucus’ decision to expel you is a tremendous mistake on their part. I hope the voters of Halton will have the good sense to return you to Ottawa as an independent.

#41 William Hane on 10.18.06 at 3:44 pm

Now maybe you see in Harper what the rest of us do.

The signs were all there > The capitulation of McKay, Brison and others crossing, Stronach leaving, Emmerson bought and the religious right pushing and pushing a senseless agenda.

The CPC are progresive at all.

#42 Noah on 10.18.06 at 3:45 pm

Wow. An MP that has their own thoughts and speaks them. Didn’t Harper campaign on transparency??

The Conservative party doesn’t recognize global warming as a serious issue that needs immediate addressing, and you do!

Keep staying open and follow your convictions, Garth.

#43 Thomas on 10.18.06 at 3:45 pm

The Harper government, unfortunately, your own party, is Nazi-like in its need to control everything. As one person already commented, this current government is scary. If I were you, Mr. Turner, I will continue doing what is best – serving your constituents, and not your party or Mr. Harper.

#44 Liberal on 10.18.06 at 3:47 pm

Stronach, Brison and Keith Martin and many more party members have moved to the Liberals (and moved the Liberals).

I hope you will find a new home there too: I am certain you would get re-elected – like they all did.

#45 Brian C. on 10.18.06 at 3:48 pm

As a business person, if I assume that my ONLY responsibility is to clients and that I have no responsibilities to my employer, I’d be deservedly fired. You can be dramatic and state that you were representing your constituents but that is obviously a misrepresentation. I’m sure the conservatives will miss Garth though.

#46 Creatrix on 10.18.06 at 3:48 pm

It’s a shame that the party lost an articulate and incisive MP over something so stupid. Things raises alarming issues about free speech for our representatives in government. I thought only Americans were so reactionary.

#47 Richard on 10.18.06 at 3:51 pm

One question to all of you who are up in arms and ready to shoot the PM – if you were running an organization and you had a slim hold on the market (minority government) and you were facing all sorts of inane opposition for the sake of opposition and one of your team was shooting his mouth off and criticizing your every move and word all in the guise of doing what he is paid to do – would you keep that team member on your team?

Be honest – you’d be the first to give him the boot. If one of your kids did the same thing publicly, would you laud him for speaking his mind? I think not. You’d be ticked, you’d take remedial action. Same thing here. Let’s be honest about this.

#48 R. Jukes on 10.18.06 at 3:53 pm

Thought the Haper Conseratives would be a refreshing change….seems to be the same b.s. we have had for the last ???? years.

#49 My Blahg » TURNER TOSSED on 10.18.06 at 3:53 pm

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#50 rh on 10.18.06 at 3:54 pm

I would not have worked on your campaign and voted for you had you not been running with the CPC. I’m sure I’m not alone.
It’s way beyond time you learned about being part of a team.

Richard Hensen, Burlington.

#51 Scott on 10.18.06 at 3:56 pm

I agree with some of the previous posters: make history and join the Greens!

#52 Jay on 10.18.06 at 3:56 pm

Congratulations Garth, now you are leashless, not like it stopped you before. I’m sure you can represent ALL your constituents now that you are not tied to the hypocrisy of the cpc. You should join the green party and give them a voice in the house. Myself, I’m a liberal but I don’t expect you to come this way any time soon!! Either way Haltons being served well.

Congratulations Halton on having elected a respectable politician.

#53 andy looney on 10.18.06 at 3:56 pm

Garth, the news report says that you were kicked out on the unanimous recommendation of the Ontario caucus.
Weren’t YOU a member of the Ontario caucus?
Does this mean you recommended you be kicked out?

#54 Brett Chandler on 10.18.06 at 3:59 pm

As the final days of the late, great Chuck Cadman proved, independent members can wield tremendous influence at times, and are free to represent the wishes of their constituents without the potential conflict with party policy. I’ve come to think that Canada would benefit greatly from having 10 to 20 independent MP’s in Parliament. Even if I don’t always agree with your positions, Mr. Turner, I’ve long admired your candor. Your position on David Emerson’s defection was especially refreshing.

Further, the decision to eject you from the party seems to fly in the face of the Conservatives stated goals of tolerance and transparency. Clearly, these positions were mere window-dressing.

Hang in there, Garth. I wish you the best. This decision reflects far more poorly on the Conservative party than it does on you.

#55 Chris on 10.18.06 at 4:00 pm

Garth glad to see you highlighting the cracks in the Harper government.

Your comments on climate change are refreshing. It’s time to stand-up for Canadians.

Maybe you should think about joining your fellow green tories in the Green Party – where we actually believe in fiscal and social responsibility!


#56 Bobb999 on 10.18.06 at 4:01 pm

…And does the PMO actually expect voters to believe as reported in the Star: “the PMO insists it played no role in the decision” (to suspend Mr. Turner).

As Harper is known to be a micromanaging control freak with too thin skin, it’s safe to assume his office likely orchestrated the ouster, either directly or indirectly.

I’m afraid the voters may judge Mr. Harper rather harshly come next election
. I think it’s Harper who will soon find out what happens “when a politician [a PM in this case] thinks only of himself”, to quote from a Turner critic’s comments above.

Canada needs more Garth Turners and fewer Stephen Harpers, as Harper shall discover next election.

#57 Jay on 10.18.06 at 4:02 pm

So they kicked you out of the clubhouse, eh? Well, as far as I’m concerned, Harper’s an idiot for letting you go.

Keep up the good work, and you’ll get re-elected – regardless of Party. The government needs more people like you who are unafraid to speak their mind.


#58 Randy on 10.18.06 at 4:03 pm

Quote: And, no Garth – you have not been a conservative longer than most – lots of us are lifelong conservatives.

By Richard on 10.18.06 3:38 pm

Richard I think Garth has been a Conservative for over 30+ years now. If that don’t make him a life long Conservative then what does?

#59 jeff on 10.18.06 at 4:03 pm

well doesn’t that just suck our one mp who worked for the people is gone? must be a conspiracy afoot shame on you mtr harper and the conseravtives whats next a bst (bullshit tax)

#60 Mr Fiddlehead on 10.18.06 at 4:04 pm

thought the harper conservatives would be a refreshing change, but they turned out to be the same bs that we’ve been subjected to for ??? years? Bzzzt, these guys are head and shoulders more slimey than the liberals ever were under Paul Martin, and well, Jean Chretien even he wasn’t as sickeningly parasitic, sucking off the blood of private oil and the Bush Administration.

Good luck Garth, you da man.

#61 Steve on 10.18.06 at 4:05 pm

Something’s mighty wrong when a party can’t tolerable opposing views to the prevailing herd mentality or those that the boss holds. Best to shake the their dust from your shoes and move on. They likely did you a favour.

#62 Steve V. on 10.18.06 at 4:05 pm

I’m a CPC member from a riding not too far away from yours. I hope you can patch up your relations with the party and return to the caucus soon; even though I’m not in agreement with everything you’ve done I’d rather have you around than a Liberal occupying that seat.

#63 Vicky Bray on 10.18.06 at 4:06 pm

Mr. Turner:

You have been a breath of fresh air in the conservative or any other party. Listening to your constituents and communicating through the internet – a fabulous forward thinking idea – never give it up !!

#64 stevieharper on 10.18.06 at 4:06 pm

good riddance

thank fully now we can get back to screwing the canadians like a good politician should!lol

#65 Eric on 10.18.06 at 4:07 pm

I was a Tory staffer, albeit with the PC Ontario Party, a few years ago. I left when my views started to change (I was a foolish youth) and began to see the PCs as an ideological coven dedicated to protecting the elite and affixing a dollar sign to everything. I joined the Greens awhile back, and while I don’t agree with every position in my party’s platform, I feel I’ve found a political home. You seem like a man of good conscience and I won’t suggest that you join any particular party, but bravo to you for taking a stand and speaking out. Maybe you’ve outgrown the Tories.

#66 GreenTory on 10.18.06 at 4:07 pm

If you are fiscally conservative, concerned about the environment, not at home in the Conservative Alliance Party, come join the rest of us progressive conservatives who are joining the Green Party of Canada.

#67 Richard on 10.18.06 at 4:09 pm

I find it ironic that the people who laud you for not being a sycophant are sucking up to you like crazy. Very amusing.

#68 Miranda on 10.18.06 at 4:12 pm

This is the first time I’ve seen this blog! I had no idea that some MPs out there actualy participated in conversation with thier constituents!! Mine sure doesnt. I think the people in your riding should be happy to know their MP has opinions and is active in parlaiment unlike mine of whom I have not hear a word about since she was elected!! KEEP IT UP maybe your colleges will catch on that Canadians want a DEMOCRACY!!

#69 Rick R. on 10.18.06 at 4:12 pm

Until today I was could not consider voting for the hardest working federal mp that Halton has elected in a very long time. The stench of the far-right wing policies of Harper/Bush neo-cons preclude a Conservative vote, no matter how well the local candidate represented my riding. The single best endorsement of Garth Turner happened today… Congratulations. Now… how about talking to the Liberals?

#70 Cathy L on 10.18.06 at 4:12 pm

Good for you for sticking to your principles! Now you should seriously consider joining the Green Party and making a huge difference in Canadian politics.

#71 Catherine on 10.18.06 at 4:14 pm

I’m not surprised…. Even to me, a lay person, it appeared that Garth did provide early scoops – financial and non-financial. Not sure, if these little scoops were ethical? like the income trust stuff we say last year….

Garth, did you get warnings from your caucus members? Was there any early indications from them? If there were no indications, seems pretty harsh – the indifinate!

Now let’s see vultures hovering and salivating – just waiting to make their Liberal bite? Where’s Judy? where’s Frank? where’s Robert?

#72 Richard on 10.18.06 at 4:14 pm

Uh, Randy, I have been one since my teens – so, over 40 years in my case. I consider myself a lifelong Christian since I have believed and been faithful since I can remember but I did not become politically curious until my puberty years. So, a lifelong conservative? No – I was not anything political until puberty. My 40 years would most likely beat 30 years, I suppose.

#73 NeoCon on 10.18.06 at 4:15 pm

There is no way Mr. Ego will ever be able to resist being the first Green Party member. It won’t have anything to do with him agreeing with what the Green Party stands for; but will have everything to do with what it will do for his ego. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Someday you might learn what a team player looks like…but I’m not going to hold my breath.

#74 Chimera on 10.18.06 at 4:17 pm

Garth, I believe it was FDR who made a rather pithy (!) comment about keeping someone inside the tent rather than outside

Aim well!

#75 jmccain on 10.18.06 at 4:18 pm

At least when Garth opened his mouth we knew he ment what he said; these other “Stepford MPs”, on all sides, can only read from a script. Sad day in Canadian politics when the ‘new’ party turns out to be just like the old ones.

#76 tulip on 10.18.06 at 4:18 pm

I always suspected you are a marxist socialist pretending to be conservative in order to infiltrate your enemy. Just cross the floor and be come a liberal. You have displayd all the qualities of what they admire so much.

1 Corruption
2 lying
3 steeling
4 Godlesnes
5 anti Family
6 dopes
7 dopes on rope
8 rope-a-dopes
9 stand for nothing
10 fall for everything
11 wealth carnivours
12 immorality
13 Tax evaders
14 Ghetto buiders
15 Prostitution promoters
16 Program builders
17 not for profit foundation promoter
18 Below average
19 selfish
20 slimy
21 sleesy
My challenge to you is: I organize a marching band commemorating these atributes and you will lead that parade! Lets make a deal.

#77 H on 10.18.06 at 4:19 pm

Garth, I hope this hasn’t happened because of the religious right.

#78 Bill on 10.18.06 at 4:23 pm

Garth; maybe you could join the party that was talking about letting its caucus members have a free voice on issues before the last election.
The name of that party slips my mind at the moment, did it begin with C?

#79 Christopher Gary on 10.18.06 at 4:24 pm

Mark my words folks, this is the political end for Stephen Harper. It’s one thing to have people think you don’t understand the world of communications. It’s quite another to orchestrate a stunt like this and remove all doubt. The polls today show Harper losing ground to the leaderless Liberals, now in a virtual dead heat. Mark my words, Mr. Harper has today committed one too many errors in strategy. The errors began with Mr. Harper embracing the ever unpopular and unelected David Emerson to the Conservative Cabinet and, quite ironically, the symbolism that will come with ousting Garth Turner, perhaps the most [digitally] popular elected Conservative, is sure to represent the beginning of the end in Mr. Harper’s legacy.

#80 Heather on 10.18.06 at 4:26 pm

Sorry this has happened -because you seem very bright and your writing skills are superb – but it has always been my belief that when you run for a particular party – YOU SUPPORT that party – NOT spout off whatever you feel, personally, like saying on your blog. Surely you must have seen this coming….OR is it, like some folks say – you were really angered for not being made a member of the cabinet? There are folks more qualified than you who did not make cabinet, Garth, and they are doing very well.

#81 Not a Red Tory on 10.18.06 at 4:30 pm

Exactly Heather, you nailed it on your comment. There is already a party for people with those views; it is called the Liberal Party of Canada.

#82 jerry on 10.18.06 at 4:30 pm

Wow where did all these lieberal, NDP, Comm……Greens come from? Reminds me of a few months ago when all the socialist’s came running to support you!

Garth, sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?

#83 Surecure on 10.18.06 at 4:31 pm

I agreed with your POV sometimes Garth and I disagreed with your POV at others. But I always maintained (especially here) that if you weren’t careful in regards to how you conducted yourself publicly, things wouldn’t end all cheery. And that’s exactly what happened.

It’s all fine and dandy to say you represent your people. But politics is chess, not checkers. And tactics will always outperform brute force. You should have saved your ammo for the battles you really wanted to fight Garth, not publically shot at every little thing that irritated you. When you’re playing with a team, you don’t have to like every player. But you have to respect them enough to know that if you don’t watch their back they won’t watch yours.

The fact that it was a unanimous decision on the part of the caucus might just say it all: you didn’t make a single ally with your approach. And because of it, now you’re on the outside looking in with no way of directly influencing the path this government is going to take. In that sense, you’ve lost one of the best opportunities you had to represent your constituents’ interests and seemingly because you felt it was more important to disagree publicly rather than work privately with those who you should have considered your teammates at compromises. So, there really is only one question:

Have you learned anything out of all of this?

#84 Ed Brooks on 10.18.06 at 4:32 pm

One question to all of you who are up in arms and ready to shoot the PM – if you were running an organization and you had a slim hold on the market (minority government)

Richard, please note that it is to those of us who voted for and elected Garth that he is accountable.

Garth, you have had and continue to have 100% of my full support. (Just do not ever join the Liberal party.)

#85 Down & Out in L.A. on 10.18.06 at 4:32 pm

It’s not the time you put in but what you put in the time.

Right wing Christians do not have general support in this country and never will.

Being conscientious, hard working M.P. will serve you well. Hopefuly the CPC will nominate that religious wingnut to run against you in the next election.

#86 Ken on 10.18.06 at 4:33 pm

Good for you.. As history will record the events, the question will be Stephen WHO?

#87 CCanadian Conservative on 10.18.06 at 4:35 pm

Wow, someone actually called the CPC Nazis. How original. I think these are the same people who used to complain when outspoken Reformers strayed from party message calling that party undisciplined. If you want to say whatever you want, then run as an independant. If you run as a Conservative you have abide by the platform and its leader. Canadians who vote know that. What did you expect was going to happen? This decision was made by a caucus tired someone trashing them, breaking confidentiality and belittling the leader. You even came out and said we should break our campaign promises.

#88 Carol on 10.18.06 at 4:36 pm

Tulip .. I see you’ve had a conservative education.. Your spelling is as good as Harper’s Leadership.

#89 Matt on 10.18.06 at 4:37 pm

My observation is that Garth disagreed with his party on a few topics, but that overall he was on-board. He promoted the 5 planks of their platform, and agreed that most of the cuts that were made recently were good and necessary (something on which he and I disagree).

No national party can be all things to all people, nor can it be all things to all members. If there were never dissent, then there would only ever be one person running for leadership of the party.

Moving to the Greens might actually be a really wise move – you were prez of the Sierra Club, and the previous leader of the Green Party was a former Conservative.

#90 V. J. Martel on 10.18.06 at 4:37 pm

An honest politician who stands up for the people who elected him!! It’s hard to believe.

I live in Stephen Harper’s constituency and he is a BIG disappointment to us. His micro-management is a style that does not trust the officially elected members of Parliament by the people of Canada. The “grass roots” style that the Conservative/Reform/ Alliance Party was supposed to represent it CRAP after all.

Good on you Garth!!! The Truth Shall Set You Free!

#91 D.Love on 10.18.06 at 4:37 pm

Being removed from the Conservative caucus should be a plus for you event. I’m pretty sure your constituents will value you for your job performance in the past. Say hello to the other ex Conservatives who went across the floor.If you stay Independent, thats works OK as well. Politics is a weird occupation and some simply make it even more weird. Speak your mind, consult with the folks who sent you done to Ottawa, nobody can do better than that.

In BC the opposition a few years ago consisted of two women NDPers and they held off about 75 or so for a total term.

If my MP didn’t have my confidence she wouldn’t be getting my vote, and be assured I would vote for her if she started up the Rhino party

#92 Tracy on 10.18.06 at 4:38 pm

Thank you for having the balls to say what you think. It must have been difficult at times. I’m glad that you will be even more free to speak with integrity from now on.

#93 WOW on 10.18.06 at 4:39 pm


Go Green, it’ll show how unintelligent you really are. Dish it out on the whole Emerson issue but then switch parties yourself…DO IT…TYPICIAL.

Best of luck getting 15% of the vote in Halton’s next election.

#94 Canadian Conservative on 10.18.06 at 4:40 pm

Also, there are several religious conservatives in the CPC who have different views than the platform or the leader. They have been exceptionally disciplined, and not spouting off like yourself. They certainly havent called you on your Benedict Arnold, backstabbing tactics.

If these socialist dopes on here had really wanted a party that would let their MPs say ANYTHING, they would have voted Reform. I think many of these posters just want to see the destruction of the conservative party and couldnt care less about anything else.

Next time Garth, don’t backstab your friends and colleagues. Next time be a Parliamentarian and show respect.

#95 Right Guy on 10.18.06 at 4:42 pm

You got the boot because you were a Manchurian Candidate.

Go to the Liberals by all means! You’ll feel right at home with the only party (LPC) who is as slimy as you.

#96 James Bowie on 10.18.06 at 4:42 pm

Don’t stop bloggin Garth, ever.

#97 Tobey on 10.18.06 at 4:43 pm

Garth, I hope you will seriously consider going Green. We hold a lot of the same values that you appear to hold. Not right, not left, but looking ahead.

#98 Right Guy on 10.18.06 at 4:44 pm

Gosh do you think they did it because you look a little like that Foley guy in the states?

#99 Ed Cheung on 10.18.06 at 4:46 pm

I’m 110% behind you, Garth. The Canadian conservative pary is gone, no more! The current PC party looks and feels more like a Republican party of the North.

#100 Frank on 10.18.06 at 4:46 pm

32%…..do I hear anyone bid 29…28…this is tooooo funny.

#101 Kaie Jones on 10.18.06 at 4:48 pm

Congratulations! I am not from Ontario, (heck, I’m not evena conservative). Still, I have often read your blog, and am glad to get news from the horse’s mouth. My MP, “Hang’em High Hanger”, puts out quartely sel promotional propaganda with my hard earned tax dollars, but nothing real. And certainly not as fiscally responsible as your blog, which is updated much more regularly, and is exponentially further reaching. As much as I have a personal distate for the Reform/CRAP/PC party, I was pleased that one ore two were actually pulling for the country’s well being. Although I am saddened that that number has just been reduced by one, I know that you will continue as one of the few MP’s who know the job, and are willing to do it right. Any chance of you coming to Alberta?


#102 andy looney on 10.18.06 at 4:48 pm

Guess what I got in the mail today?


I am not making this up.

#103 Kevin on 10.18.06 at 4:49 pm

For the few people stating that the Party is the employer and not the Constituents have it completly backwards.Although most people dont do this we should be voting for the person and not the party and with this ,the elected MP should be working for their constituients instead of playing party politics,unlike what is happening now.
Garth I dont know much of your history as an MP, I think its great that you keep in touch with your constituents like this , and that you dont censor yourself unlike the rest of the conservative party. But really how all of the federal parties are right now its probably better to sit back and watch everything self distruct over the next little while.I hope as an independant you will still be able to do what you think is right for your Constituents and for Canada.

#104 Mario on 10.18.06 at 4:51 pm

I voted for conservatives in the last elections, but no more – Harper’s arrogance is unbelievable.

Garth, I think you should go to by-election as an independent now, as that is really important for your credibility. Demonstrate this is about principles, not privileges.

#105 Anti-Communist on 10.18.06 at 4:51 pm


While I enjoy your candid take on many issues, I find it hard to believe this move came as a surprise to you.

Often, being part of a team means playing by that teams rules.

Unfortunately, you have marginalized yourself to the point where you will no longer be able to effect real change. And that, in itself, is the true kicker because that is how you really do represent your constituents, by being part of the decision making process.

Best of luck as an independent!

#106 Marcel Massie on 10.18.06 at 4:52 pm

In the words of the Bard: “This above all else, To thine own self be true.”

There are better pkaces to booted out from and quite fewer worse ones.

Thank you for speaking your mind and living with the consequences. The other ones will get theirs one day.

#107 Rob on 10.18.06 at 4:53 pm

I’m glad to hear you are sticking with your beliefs. While some here will make silly analogies (like comparing this to being more loyal to customers than an employer? Hello, the people ARE the employer!) and overly reactionary comments about being some kind of socialist, I for one have always respected your stance on issues, even when in disagreement.

I have doubts that you’re headed to the Liberals or the NDP (although there would be certain comedic value to that, I’d admit), but I wonder if you might find refuge with us former PC-ers in “greener” political pastures?

#108 Sean on 10.18.06 at 4:54 pm


I have a great amount of distaste for the Conservative Party, and so I am pleased to learn that you, my MP, are no longer associated with it. However, this begs the question: why did you run as a Conservative to begin with?

If the rules and ideology of Harper and his party do not match those of yourself and Halton’s constituents, why would you even remotely consider working under the same banner as them? I do not understand your motives and would like to see you post your extended thoughts on the matter.

Please sit out the rest of your term as an independent, not as a Green or Liberal as some have suggested. Even though you’ve been ousted from your party (unliike Stronach and Emerson who defected), joining another party mid-term would be very hypocritical and a slap in the face of many of the Halton constituents who voted for you in the last election (which, by the way, does not include me).

That being said, please keep up the rabble-rousing and shit-disturbing … so far it has earned you a slice of my grudging respect.

#109 Garth Wetherall on 10.18.06 at 4:57 pm

Well, I saw you years ago on stage raising your arms with Kim Campbell in Burlington the night before the election. Next day, the Conservatives fell hard with only two seats left. Count them again, 2 seats. It seems you did not learn from that era of arrogance and niether did the Liberals. As I read above, Liberals, only party to lead Canada. What a joke!!
Garth I feel for yah, don’t discount that. Do yourself and your constiuants a favour. Work it out.

#110 Nancy Clarke on 10.18.06 at 4:58 pm

Well Garth, it is refreshing to see a MP state that they work for the people and their needs. Most MPs are their to jockey for a position of power, influence and perhaps wealth. They are not there for the people besides trying to take the people’s hard earned money like sharks circling around for the kill. Perhaps you should do some serious thinking of moving to the Liberal party. Your kind of thinking, your opinions, and standing up for yourself are not wanted in this “new government”! I believe you actually care about the ordinary Canadian, where you would stop and help someone who was in need; whereas Harper would only do that if it was advantageous to move his agenda.

#111 Right Guy on 10.18.06 at 5:01 pm

“Now, I’ll be the best MP I can.”

Does that mean you weren’t before?

#112 Bill Costello on 10.18.06 at 5:07 pm

Maybe it’s a boomer trend but it seems to me that we’ve been looking for more grassroots representation since we all bailed on the Trudeau/Turner Liberals with the Mulroney sweeps. Then we saw he was just the same only slicker and the Tory party went down to only 2 MPs. Manning’s message of an MP representing his constituents drew respectable support for the new Reform Party and was a strong enough wedge to split the conservative vote for all those Chretien years. Now Harper has shown us that once again those of us who refuse to be sheep for our MPs and their party have NO effective choice at election time!
I bailed on Reform over Stockwell Day and I think I may bail on the new Conservative Party after ousting Garth. I’m too old to keep voting for whatever party smells the least. If I wanted a top-down driven party I could have voted Liberal.

#113 Turner Fan on 10.18.06 at 5:12 pm

You go girl!

#114 Matt on 10.18.06 at 5:14 pm

With regards to those who have commented to the effect of calling Garth a hypocrite if he considers going to another party, this is nothing like what happened with Stronach or Emerson. They were both active members of their respective parties & caucuses, whereas Garth has been unceremoneously turfed, which makes him a political free agent. As well, he has said that he will “be going back to my riding soon to explain things to those voters who wanted a Tory to represent them”, which would indicate to me that he intends to go back to the people for a new mandate if they wish it.

Give him a chance to to make the decision before dumping on him for it; he might surprise you.

#115 Bob Burdett on 10.18.06 at 5:17 pm

You are one of the most straight forward of all the MPs. It has been clear that you have worked hard to find out what your constituents are thinking, to inform them as to what was going on in parliment and to convey their viewpoint to Ottawa even when it was not your own view. You have been a benefit for your constituents and all Canadians.

#116 Ontario Lad on 10.18.06 at 5:22 pm

Mr. Turner, there are other capable people in the Tory caucus that have views just as strong as yours. Yet they are still credible people who can balance representing their constituents with the idea of being part of a team. And you DID sign up to represent a team Mr. Turner, not just yourself and your constituients.

If you can bury your ego and accept the fact that you too can balance teamwork and representation, then welcome back. Otherwise, good riddance.

#117 JAMES in Toronto on 10.18.06 at 5:23 pm


I’ve read all the preceding comments.

In my view? Stay independant, continue to be yourself, and represent your constiuents. Even a member of a party has the right to speak his mind, and speak the truth.

You’ve done this VERY well, and have my support. (I wish that you were in my district. My vote would be assured… we don’t agree on everything, but you listen and respond.)


#118 Grassroot Conservative on 10.18.06 at 5:24 pm

Mr. Democracy seems to have deleted a comment earlier that I made asking if he has changed his views on switching to other parties after being elected under a certain banner. We all still await answers Garth…

#119 jerry on 10.18.06 at 5:28 pm

“Your beliefs on policy” Ha Ha.

SSM again, your favorite horse to ride.

You should be in tne news business, NOT IN THE NEWS EVERYDAY seeking publicity for publicity sake. I hate to be repetitive but, Garth, sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?

#120 Josef in America on 10.18.06 at 5:30 pm

MP Turner: Hang in there.

Those people need to get w/ the 21st century, not you!

And I forgive you for your playing in traffic comment.

#121 Michael Marzocco on 10.18.06 at 5:32 pm

I thought silencing MP’s was the trademark of the Liberal Party. Another blow to democracy occurred today that every voter should be outraged about!

#122 jim on 10.18.06 at 5:32 pm

I was very surprised at what transpired today. Surprised that they did it now and not months ago.

Garth, you have been burr under the saddle of the CPC since the election.

My question is, why are you in that party since you have not one friend or ally?

It is important in politics to be loyal to your party, unless there is illegal activity. You aren’t loyal.

Did it ever occur to you why the national media always went to you for the “conservative” view? It was because they knew you were their best hope of getting a piece they could spin into something that would damage the party. News Flash: they didn’t talk to you because of your vast insight.

You want to be a populace guy, be an independent.

You want to cause problems in a party, go to the libs.

I have waited a long time to see the corrupt libs gone. I sure don’t want a maverick in my party causing problems. The CBC is enemy enough.

#123 Michael Watkins on 10.18.06 at 5:36 pm

Garth: I have appreciated your direct manner of speaking and your clear desire to engage with the citizens of our country and be sure that their views are fully taken into account.

Over the space of time you’ve been back in Ottawa you have held many, many, meetings with your constituents. Guess what? In mine, the newly minted Conservative, David Emerson, has held NONE. Zero. He doesn’t even live in the riding.

Whether one agrees with your positions or not, its very clear that you have the right priorities in mind. MP’s work for the people of Canada, not for the Prime Minister.

We can expect the CPC to be in full damage control now and sure enough, they are promoting the idea that the issue was not one of “differences” but “caucus confidentiality”.

Set the record straight, Marjory Lebretton and other apolgists for Harper.

For anyone that missed Garth’s press conference which concluded not long ago, Garth said very pointedly the issue was not confidentiality as Lebreton and others are trying to insist, and I quote, “My beliefs on policies. The issue was not caucus confidentiality”.

When asked if the PM knew about this, Garth was honest and said he did not know.

But anyone who watches Ottawa and knows the players knows this: The Ontario caucus would not act without a) Harper knowing about it and b) Harper approving it. Period.

What has happened, in a real way, is that the party of Garth, and me, has left us, rather than the other way around.

#124 Ron B. on 10.18.06 at 5:40 pm

Garth: You suffer from the little doggy syndrome. You’re a little man with a big mouth, always yapping. Your ego has got the better of you, and it has cost you. Enjoy the basement.

#125 Peter on 10.18.06 at 5:40 pm

Wouldn’t it be nice if all politicians could “really” represent their constituents.
Congratulations, Mr. Turner, for your committment to the people who voted for you. I wish I lived in your riding so I could vote for you in the upcoming election.

#126 Ben (The Tiger) on 10.18.06 at 5:41 pm

Well, keep on blogging, Garth!

So are you still a Conservative, then? The caucus suspension — does that count as being tossed from the party?

#127 Mark on 10.18.06 at 5:42 pm

Simple fact: When you join a club, in this case the Tory party, you play by the club rules. You would not have become an MP without the benefits of being a member of this club.

#128 Mikebike on 10.18.06 at 5:42 pm

Garth, do you have Stephen Harper doll somewhere….

Good on you for sticking to your guns about issues that are important to Canadians, when will the party wake up from this drooling minority governemnt daze it’s in.

#129 Nicholas Wallace on 10.18.06 at 5:45 pm


I was shocked to hear the news today. Whatever happens, please know that you have my unconditional support as a voter…It is rare to find politicians these days who value integrity and honor and I am saddened to see you as a casualty of the political system.

Hold your head up high, and best wishes as you focus on how you can best plan for the future from here.

Nicholas Wallace

#130 Harry on 10.18.06 at 5:46 pm

Garth, I think you must have known that many of your views and those of Harper et al weren’t in sync. Perhaps you thought you might effect some change. I don’t think it’s much of a surprise that you couldn’t. Kudos to you for standing your ground and representing your electorate though. In today’s political world, you strike me as being more at home in the Liberal party than the Conservative (since they’re no longer Progressive). Perhaps it’s time to go red?

#131 kw on 10.18.06 at 5:48 pm

Its too bad you rallied so hard against the floor-crossing issue, now you have to either face the electorate in a by-election or make an about face. Looks like you won’t be able to join the ‘greens’ or whatever other party you may feel like joining.

#132 Jack on 10.18.06 at 5:49 pm


I have more respect for you now then when you sat as a conservative. You unequivocally have my support next election 100%.

#133 Berend Koopmans on 10.18.06 at 5:51 pm

It is so refreshing to see a politician that acts out of principal, doing what he feels is best for his constituants, rather than being a “yes man” to his party. After all, isn’t an elected representative’s first responsibility to his constituants? It seems that all those elected have forgotten this principal, and feel that their first loyalty is to their party and the leader of the party.

Garth, I really congratulate on your actions, too bad other elected MP’s don’t have the guts to do what you are doing.

I would definateley vote for you if you were in our riding.

But here’s a suggestion: Why don’t you form a new party. The principal objective of this new party is to listen and implement what Canadians want for their country, and who’s members would put their first loyalty to their constituants, rather than to their party leader. This is what Canadians want, and I am sure that you would get electd on such a platform. Canadians have had enough of the current political system which is an embarassment. We have had enough of the parties that look only after their own interests: Steve Harper and the Conservatives are nothing more than “yes men” to the Bush (and cronies) regime,and the Liberals were nothing more than a bunch of crooks lining their own pockets.

You should be happy you have been kicked out of such a disfunctional party which has a total lack of a vision for the future of Canada and is regressive, rather than progressive in its policies and approach.

#134 Ryan Geddes on 10.18.06 at 5:54 pm

I am a member of the conservative party #C33146379.. I have donated money this year because I was happy to support Garth Turner. I am pissed off at Stephan Harper and his 1984 Big Brother way of dealing with the media.. I am cancelling my membership.. Hopefully the Liberals have gotten the corruption out of their system..

#135 Ronald Servant on 10.18.06 at 5:56 pm


Keep standing up for what you believe in.

It is people like you that can help restore faith in the political process.

I also think you would make a great Green MP.

#136 Berend Koopmans on 10.18.06 at 5:56 pm

Further to my past message, and upon reading further on your web site, I agree with some of the comments made. You should join the Green Party. Finally there is a party that is genuinely interested in the future and concerns of Canada. The Green Party is just not a bunch of tree huggers, they have a comprehensive policy and plan for Canada, that can truly make Canada a leader in the world on all fronts.

Lets give this party a seat and see what it can do for Canada.

#137 Janelaine on 10.18.06 at 5:57 pm

It couldn’t have happened to a nastier guy!! You totally alienated the townsfolk in Belfountain with your biker rest area and now you wonder why you got booted for your big mouth…..

Made my day, I will tell you. Too bad it was so long coming.

#138 Zac on 10.18.06 at 6:02 pm

Join the Greens. Become the first Green MP and make history Garth.

#139 Su Ong on 10.18.06 at 6:03 pm

I’m sorry to hear about has transpired. You speak for all of us that may not have a voice in the government. Continue the good work and fight on!!!

#140 Zac on 10.18.06 at 6:03 pm

Become the first Green MP and make history Garth.

#141 Irene on 10.18.06 at 6:04 pm

Way to go. I just wish there were more honest politicans like you.

#142 kjr on 10.18.06 at 6:04 pm

First the Liberals conned Canadians out of money and gave it to their buddies.

Now, the Conservatives are conning Canadians out of good MPs in exchange for power.

What’s next?

I am going to say something coming from being neither Conservative or Liberal. Garth, you have been doing an awesome job by actually doing what you were hired to do — Represent your constituents and their views, regardless of partisan politics or personal matters.

I hope you continue to do the same, we need a lot more politicians like you in Canada these days.

#143 John G on 10.18.06 at 6:05 pm

Garth..I must admit you do bring some interesting ideas to the table occasionally and this blog has been a great tool for people to say their piece (most are embarrassing and unsubstantiated)……..

Having said that….I agree with caucus…if I ran my company the way you want the Govt. to run I’d be broke long ago….I also have no tolerance for insubordination…..i suspect you’ll really raise shit now!

#144 The Sudden Sage » Blog Archive » Will Garth Turner cross to the Greens? on 10.18.06 at 6:07 pm

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#145 Jane Stanley on 10.18.06 at 6:08 pm

IF only all politicians were open and as inclusive as you seem to be. I have long thought that you were too much a democratic and independent thinker for the Ref…Conservative Party. I am by nature a Liberal voter, but voted against them last election in the cause of ‘new broom’. Now it seems that the Conservatives have found the stupidity to let go the only free-thinker and true ‘new broom’ that they had. I DO wish that the Liberals had a similar character that I could vote for..next time. Alas, I am afraid not.
I wish you well. We need more politicians like you.

#146 Jack’s Newswatch on 10.18.06 at 6:08 pm

[…] d in Parliament on Thursday. I’m not certain that the postings referred too are gone on Turner’s blog because I didn’t check but I suspect so.  If not they soon will […]

#147 Patrick Ross on 10.18.06 at 6:09 pm

I have supported the Conservative government on a good many of its decisions.

Not on this.

Please stay the course, Mr. Turner. Many Canadians are behind you.


#148 Al K on 10.18.06 at 6:12 pm

I’m really confused. Why would the party who originated in advocating for the notion for grassroots democracy and openness throw someone out who was doing the exact same thing. If you didn’t give away any confidential information that’s protected by caucus rules, then I guess the only reason was some old time pricks in the CPC decided they didn’t like what you were saying and kicked you out. Shame on them!

#149 dekker on 10.18.06 at 6:13 pm

To address your constituents concerns about the environment, why not join the “green caucus” the Green Party has been proposing, which is to be members from all parties sharing non-partisan concers concerned about global warming and brainstorming across party lines. Good luck.

#150 pro communiste on 10.18.06 at 6:13 pm

My guess is you deserve nothing else but respect.
I incredibly hate the political alignment of the CPC. They put words in my mouth I do not apreciate and feel less safer abroad then before, we are taged gringos, americans, name it. However I do apreciate someone who has a MIND of there own regardless of the team your on.
How can you follow a political leader who does not give a horse crap about the very land YOU PEOPLE live on. I mean this in every possible way. Guns wont save us from dried out farmlands…

Best of luck mister Turner

#151 Jennifer on 10.18.06 at 6:15 pm

Finally, an MP with integrity in public. Your constitutents won’t be worse off for it, despite their political views. You were one of the “new” Conservatives’ biggest assets, to the east AND the west, and they really blew it this time. They will have a hard time keeping reign of their moderate Conservatives now. Your actions may have been wrong for the Conservatives, but they were right for the sake of the truth. Good luck and enjoy your independence from political parties – you now may have more power in that position than as a backbencher for the “Harpies”.

#152 Jon on 10.18.06 at 6:19 pm

Being kicked out of a party for voicing your own opinion?? What is this, China? Well done Garth. I may not have supported you in the last election but you’ll sure as hell get my vote the next time around!

#153 W.C. on 10.18.06 at 6:19 pm

Isn’t being ‘suspended’ a temporary measure?

Cannot imagine, though, putting two stronger personalities in one room, for any length of time, than Garth Turner and Elizabeth May.

#154 Mitch C. on 10.18.06 at 6:20 pm

Well, Mr. Turner, what happened to you today is what happens to people who are totally self-absorbed. You say you represent the people in your riding! That is your EXCUSE for self-promotion. Your newspaper columns, your politics is all about Garth Turner and nobody else. Now you will sit in the house alone….as you should be. I feel sorry for the people in your riding, but I guess this isn’t the first time a con artist has been elected, although all the ones I can think of were liberals.

#155 Tom B. on 10.18.06 at 6:26 pm

Garth, I am not a supporter of the current Conservative Party. I was a member for many years, also Reform and Alliance, but left disillusioned. You were right to be the straight-shooter that politicians always promise in their campaign literature but never deliver. Alas, this is more evidence why I got out. I am libertarian by nature, and simply cannot abide by gag orders and intolerance of ideas. That may work in a Soviet politburo, but this is Canada fercryinoutloud. Keep up the good fight, and call it the way you see it.

#156 JH on 10.18.06 at 6:38 pm

Mr. Turner,

the word maverick would certainly apply to you. And, if I lived in your riding, AND IF I trusted politicians (huge if there), I might have voted for you in the next election.

By the looks of this, you will not need my vote. Make sure that you do NOT lose perspective of who put you there and why.

A note for your detractors here (who are likely some of your former caucus colleagues: you may not like the FIBerals, but remember that the first three letters of your party are CON- and like The Who sings: We won’t get fooled again. See you (or not) next election!

#157 Jason Bo Green on 10.18.06 at 6:41 pm

I respect your non-party pack attitude, and I think it’s good to be outspoken. You should not have been kicked out – if Rob Anders is in, then Garth Turner should be in, period.

Someone may have already suggested this, but here goes:

Why don’t you join the Green Party??? It seems like a hell of a good fit for you, man.

Anyway, I obviously don’t agree with everything you say – no one agrees with anyone on everything. But it is good for MPs to criticize their party, I have no problem with it.

#158 zoltan on 10.18.06 at 6:44 pm

It’s a pretty sad day for the country & the democratic process when a veteren member of parliament can’t voice his opinions freely & openly. Garth has more experience in the house than any of those johnny-come-lately neophite “conservatives”. Keep up the good fight Garth from whatever position you decide to settle into.

#159 Roanna, Milton, ON on 10.18.06 at 6:45 pm

Although I didn’t vote for you in the last election, I realized in pretty short order that you were the kind of MP I wanted representing us in Parliament. Switch parties or run independent, it makes no matter to me, I’ll vote for you anyway. You are a breath of fresh air in government and I’m proud to call you my MP.

#160 Jason Bo Green on 10.18.06 at 6:45 pm

it has always been my belief that when you run for a particular party – YOU SUPPORT that party

That’s idiotic. I do not believe in supporting ANY party, I believe in supporting Canada and individual freedom and rights. Parties are lame.

I see others also suggest joining the Greens… I’m always last on a bandwagon, I say.

#161 Blake on 10.18.06 at 6:46 pm

I’ve read this blog for awhile and it’s funny that as soon as you make news headlines the clueless, godless, Liberal kool-aid drinkers show up here trying to push their brand of corrupt politics on you. Stay independant and be true to yourself, don’t hop in bed with the Liberals like the rest of these $2 hookers.

#162 Lewis on 10.18.06 at 6:47 pm

Independent is a very good description of you, now you sit as one. I admire you for your independence, but not for being a team player. Sorry that it had to come to this but I thought it inevitable.
The ultimate caucus (make that political party)in chaos, would be 125 independents.
I am sure the Libranos would welcome you Garth, but joining them would only prove that you are lacking in political principles. I don’t think you will have any dificulty in getting re-elected.
Best wishes,


#163 daryl on 10.18.06 at 6:48 pm

Wouldn’t it be easier to serve the tax payers if you were actually IN the party we voted you into? Now it seems you will be “out of the loop” and will have little impact for change.

#164 rural on 10.18.06 at 7:00 pm

Not a suporter of you (previous?) party I never the less admire you for standing up for the people you represent as you see fit even if it does not happen to conencide with your “leaders” opinion. We need more representitives of your sort of all polotical stripes.

#165 Turner Fan on 10.18.06 at 7:00 pm

You asked in your Press Conference “why today?”

The answer is simple.

The PMO was desperate to deflect attention away from today’s public opinion poll which shows no good news for Stephen Harper.

Today, under normal circumstances, would have been the day that grumblings began within the Tory caucus, probably leaking to the media about Stephen Harpers hamfisted leadership.

Do you think the 10 Tory MP’s from Quebec are happy today with Poll numbers showing not a single one of them re-electable?

Stephen Harper needed a diversion today, unfortunately Iggy was not providing any new fodder and you were it!

#166 Nate on 10.18.06 at 7:01 pm

Any time a Conservative dares to speak up and voice true conservative views, the media wants him or her lynched, and the CPC bows to the pressure and distances themselves from that MP.

Well, in this case, the CPC finally had the courage to sack a someone who didn’t have true conservative views. Garth, go join the Greens or the Liberals. The problem isn’t that you’re being silenced by the CPC. The problem is that you were in the wrong party to begin with.

Congrats to the Conservative Party for standing up for true conservatism and for stopping the endless appeasement of liberals who don’t belong in the party.

#167 Andres on 10.18.06 at 7:04 pm

Rant: I saw that coming…This is so good!!! I told you so.
Harper was preparing this for weeks.As predicted this is the beginning of the end of his political carrer.From now on we will see the decline of his minipower empire. More conservatives MPs will start talking and questionig. Some are already looking around for a new prospect “leader”…Fractions, old progressives conservative vrs alliance/neos conservatives…big conflicts…soo good!!!.But you know what, you still will be the pioneer in Direct Blog-Democracy (that term is mine) in Canada, and maybe (hint, hint)first Green member in the history of this country. Halton will appreciate this…a lot. Keep the good work.
PO (a Political Observer) Halton 2006

#168 smalltownguy on 10.18.06 at 7:04 pm

Garth everythig happens for a reason. I have always thought that one of the most important changes that should be made to Parliament is the way that it treats independents. Start the independent caucus, demand money such as is given to the main parties, and try to ensure that there is an independent causus candidate running in every riding in the next election. Canadians need the option of none of the above. An independent MP has the ability to speak his or her mind and we need much more of this in the country.

Keep up the good work on behalf of not only your constituents but the people of Canada, and don’t let the **** get ya down.

#169 Ontario Lad on 10.18.06 at 7:05 pm

Mr. Turner, there are a few people here that keep telling you to join the Greens. Interesting.

By all means, try. But if you do, at least live up to your convictions of resigning your seat and running in a by-election; particulary seeing as how much you yourself vilified floor crossing. Just outright crossing now is going to make you look like a big hypocrite.

#170 Denis VD on 10.18.06 at 7:08 pm

I thought I had a unique idea when I came to this blog to make a comment … but it looks like there are dozens of your readers who are saying what I want to say … GO GREEN !

From an Ex-Tory and now Green (call me a Turquoise) I Hope to see you in the Green party ….

Now that would be a landmark decision!

I think you will find the policies are aligned well with your thoughts and despite the various parts of the party there is a large number … maybe a majority of fiscally conservative members.

MOST IMPORTANTLY with a seat in the house you would make it virtually impossible to exclude Elizabeth May from the next elections Debates.

You would be a hero, would legitimize the party, you could help make a difference with climate change, make great strides for participative politics and you would still have the freedom to express your views.

Come aboard …. Make History !!

#171 Chris on 10.18.06 at 7:17 pm


I saw your interview on CTV News net, so it got me curious to read the blog. I must say congrats to you for standing by your convictions. An un-scripted Conservative must have been a touch too much for Harper to handle.

As many here have already suggested, I think that the Greens would be a good fit for you if you chose to re-join a political party. Especially after your interview with Elizabeth May.

Keep up the good work, and don’t ever stop speaking your mind even when it conflicts with any party line. It makes you a very special MP, I wish that there were more MPs like you.

#172 Ramin on 10.18.06 at 7:18 pm

As an NDPer, I have disagreed with you on many issues. After all, you have been a conservative and I am not. BUT, ever since I learned about your decent reaction to the unethical behaviours and the cheatings, Harper style, when he and David Emerson shared the dirt, I began respecting you and I continue to do to this moment.

Garth! You are too good to be a conservative. You don not belong to that gang of hypocrites.

#173 Lyle from Red Deer on 10.18.06 at 7:18 pm

The price of free speech is the shigrin of those who don’t like the truth. Thanks Garth.

#174 Gary V on 10.18.06 at 7:20 pm

Well Garth I was wondering the other day about you making budget predictions if you were not crossing the line on confidiality. Stephan Harper did the right thing and he is a big man for doing so. Even GW bush didn’t have the nerve to boot Mccain. I am afraid you are a liberal Garth so you got what you deserved. On a nicer note I always enjoyed your blog and thanks for the forum.

#175 Ramin on 10.18.06 at 7:21 pm

To Daryl who suggests to Garth the following:

“Wouldn’t it be easier to serve the tax payers if you were actually IN the party we voted you into? Now it seems you will be “out of the loop” and will have little impact for change.”

Garth is alraedy having the impact. And the that is the fact that he is on the news headlines. King Harper is being exposed more than ever before.

#176 xx on 10.18.06 at 7:33 pm

I said you would be more at home in the NDP! Did those mean old “hats and horses” colleagues of yours finally get fed up with your big-assed left wing mouth! Don’t worry! You can go suck hole to the Liberals anytime. They’ll give some high profile job just like they did with Belbimbo Strumpet. You two have avbout as much class.
You’re a typical journalist type. If everybody isn’t worshipping the ground you walk on then you get all snitty and bash them. Buh bye dick head.

#177 Dube on 10.18.06 at 7:34 pm

Garth please stay Independent. Once the consternation of today’s event subsides, I think it’ll be replaced by a feeling of utter liberation. Imagine, voting for every bill as you, the proxy for your constituents, see fit, without the constraints of party whip. I don’t know how you fund this site, but I hope you’ll continue running it as a clearing house of ideas, feedback, and direct democracy.

I wish you peace in the coming days.

(Now, that makes two. If only this Independence movement would catch a score more, enough to keep any likely future Minority in real check.)

#178 Polly on 10.18.06 at 7:35 pm

Garth, you wanted your independence, now you have it. I would myself have fired you because you clearly don’t get “team player”. Too bad, some of your ideas were ok. Better luck ahead.

#179 xx on 10.18.06 at 7:35 pm

Oh by the way Garth, how many of these congradulatory comments did you write yourself?

#180 bill on 10.18.06 at 7:37 pm

Don’t worry Garth; soon you’ll be out of re-hab.

Next time learn to speak intelligently.

Until then, stick to financial planning

#181 Chris Tindal on 10.18.06 at 7:41 pm

Gareth! You have my respect and support. Thanks for being a conservative who cares about conservation. It should be self evident, but alas…

Best wishes. And yes, do give some thoughts to joining us Greens. 😉



#182 Mark on 10.18.06 at 7:43 pm

In a word: HUBRIS!

#183 Alex Thomas on 10.18.06 at 7:46 pm

Garth: As I have always said, Nils Illegitimus Carborundum. Those pussilanimous jellyfish, those heartless, gutless, spineless wonders, whose head and assholes are interchangeable, who crawl under rocks and in the dead of night, those creatures of darkness who could not withstand the cleansing light of day…all denying that there was any influence From On High. Do they expect us to BELIEVE that? Who do they think they’re lying to here? To call them any kind of animal name is to insult the noble beast thus cited. Unanimous? Right, and boy is that a nice looking bridge too. The PMO’s personal errand boy sits in on the meeting, and the PMO is SURPRISED at the outcome? So, we are sheep, merely to be corraled, shorn, and, should someone crave mutton or lamb, slaughtered, as those From On High should whimsically decide.
To recall from history: Abraham Lincoln was despised by the Political Establishment of his day, for his simple clothes, his country-bumpkin ways and his earnest, naive political outlook. Churchill was vilified, demeaned and outcast, because he dared to speak out against Britain’s great and good friend, Adolph.
You are in most excellent company, my friend, and I would wager that more people in Canada than the PMO’s office dare imagine would wish you for their MP, or to have their MP’s emulate your example, instead of bleating and running before the sheepdogs and after the Judas Goats of the Political Establishment of our country.
Churchill once intoned: Very well — alone. Well, you are NOT alone. And to those who insist on bleating that you are not a team player, your team wears blue jeans and hard hats and carries lunch buckets and drives old Chevys and Fords.
Never give, never give up, never, never, never give up. — Winston Churchill. The reasonable man adapts to his environment; the unreasonable man insists that his environment adapt to him. Therefore, all human progress depends on the unreasonable man — George Bernard Shaw.
Stay unreasonable.

#184 Derry on 10.18.06 at 7:48 pm

Hang in there, Garth. Sit as an independent until the next election, then run again. I don’t care which colour the party you choose is, or if you decide to remain an independent, but we need more people in Parliament who say what they think.

#185 Eric in Ottawa on 10.18.06 at 7:50 pm

Well, Mr Turner,

I am just about as far from conservative as you can get in the political spectrum, but I do agree with your democratic principles. You do your consituents a great service by heeding their wishes first and foremost, and for standing your ground on issues that matter to them.

If only the rest of the political system worked so well… we might then have something worth fighting for.

Well done!

#186 Jeremy on 10.18.06 at 7:52 pm

Would you blame our party-discipline-based system for the outcome, or upon reflection, do you think that maybe (just maybe) your comments were a bit out of line, as the caucus chair says they were? I really don’t mean to sound at all confrontational, but I’d just like to know.

#187 Carolle Charlebois on 10.18.06 at 7:52 pm

Representing your constituents? What a concept! The religeous-right American-style Canadian neo-cons are running scared – that’s why they had to get rid of you. In the next election, Harper and friends will loose in Ontario and les Quebecois will finish the job. I can’t wait to reclaim my Canada.
You deserve a break Garth – take the family for a week in Cuba.
Bon courage mon ami!

#188 fly swatter on 10.18.06 at 7:58 pm

Garth, you have been an “arth” from a way back.I hope you loaded up on Nortel and sold your house(s) to invest in the “market”. You were so arrogant and still are. Put your feet up, relax, have a beer and read the remaindered copies of your books. You have time now.

#189 Fred on 10.18.06 at 7:59 pm

Since it wasn’t the caucus that elected you as a Conservative MP, to play on their “team,” how is it that they can strip you of your rightfully earned position as a representative of those who did elect you? I can see how, if you were handed a post in Cabinet and the leadership found you breaching your allegiance to the party, or simply didn’t like you, that you would be removed from the post. What happened today sounds extremely unconstitutional as far as I am concerned. Your constituents have earned the right to have you sit in caucus and represent their issues. Your party leader, I would assume, has the same responsibility to your constituents that you have – to ensure your voice/their’s is heard on their issues, not only the party’s or the party’s leaders. The entire caucus did not run in your constituency, and likely if any had, the Conservative Party would have lost in your riding. Thus, removing you from caucus is ignoring the voices of all voters in your riding. Isn’t it our constitutional right to be represented by whom we choose, and have them express our issues to caucus in a way we trust she or he will? The Conservative party accepted your membership, fees included. You ran under their banner – if they had a reason to have you removed as a party member then, they would have – they didn’t. Unless they can find a legal reason to strip you of what you have earned, I don’t believe they can do this to you and your constituents. You and Gordon Wilson, former Provincial Liberal candidate in B.C., are the only two trustworthy politicians that I have encountered in my 48 years. I wish their were more of you. Don’t cross the floor to any other party. You don’t need to. Instead, demand your right to sit in caucus, and continue to be the representative your constituents voted for. If you do eventually change your stripes, do so at election time. We voters deserve leaders that honour or wishes, come what may. Best wishes to you and your constituents – I look forward to your leadership of this amazing country in an perhaps, as yet unknown, political party.

#190 David Stapley on 10.18.06 at 7:59 pm

Well Garth, sometimes a confrontational style does not pay off. Could it be time to take a look in the mirror and reflect inward?

#191 Small-L Chris on 10.18.06 at 8:00 pm

Hmm, Let me get this straight…

Neo-Cons with right-wingnut views and Dubyah Jr at the helm are sagging in the polls and barely remain tied with a group of Leaderless Libs…

These same “Einsteins” decide to evict one of their own, a populist member, and continue to promote their stereotype of secrecy…

And I thought they had egg on their faces with Preston and Stockwell leading the wolf pack!

I can’t wait for the next election! Looks to me like Canada is already starting to shrug off this “anybody but Martin” experiment and become civilized again very soon!

#192 JJ on 10.18.06 at 8:03 pm

Hi Mr. Turner
I’m an occasional reader of your blog and although I don’t always agree with you, I’ve always found you to be a reasonable guy who really seems to care about his constituents. I’m in BC, but my brother lives in your riding and votes for you, and I’ll urge him to continue doing so.

Meanwhile, you wouldn’t consider coming over to the Dark Side would you? I’m sure you’d be welcome.

#193 k.l. on 10.18.06 at 8:04 pm

You are awesome!

Stand up for democracy!

Kill Groupthink!

#194 Candace on 10.18.06 at 8:05 pm

Garth – I’ve said it before & I’ll say it again, I am SOOOOO GLAAADDD you are not my MP. Team does not have an “I” in it, and someone who cannot be trusted to STFU about confidential issues can’t b*tch IMHO.

For other commenters, please note that while Rob Anders and Myron Thompson may be complete idiots, they don’t discuss caucus discussions publicly, and as a result, are still in caucus.

Food for thought.

If you had played your cards right, Garth, you wouldn’t be singing alone in the shower, but somehow, I think you’re happier there.

Curious to see if you publish this (and/or leave it up)

#195 Wesley d'Haene on 10.18.06 at 8:06 pm

Lone MPs (or independents), no matter how much of an impact they make with their constituents or the media — can generally not make much of an impact overall on the federal scene (of course there are some exceptions in minority government situations). It’s not because they do not have the will or skills needed to do so, but because our current unreformed Westminster based system does not allow for it. (Just look at the statistics for private member’s bills!) Power has always been and continues to be concentrated in the PMO and the ministries. If one is not even in caucus, I find it hard to believe how one could influence the policies and direction of those who hold the power. I will be pleasantly surprised if I am proven wrong.

The last thing we need is another 13 years of liberal government.

#196 Jeff S on 10.18.06 at 8:08 pm

Note to Brian C re your comments quoted below. You’ve got it all wrong. Mr. Turner is NOT a business person…. but a Member of Parliament. His clients and employer are one and the same !! And they are the ones who decides if he’s to be deservedly fired. I say he keeps his job…. as he does represent his constituents !!

Start of Quote
(By Brian C. on 10.18.06 3:48 pm)
As a business person, if I assume that my ONLY responsibility is to clients and that I have no responsibilities to my employer, I’d be deservedly fired. You can be dramatic and state that you were representing your constituents but that is obviously a misrepresentation. I’m sure the conservatives will miss Garth though.

#197 Politicsnb on 10.18.06 at 8:08 pm

It would appear that a backbone is neither required nor wanted in the present incarnation of the Conservative Part Of Canada. Simply because you have strong views and you share them with fellow Canadians, you are labeled a maverick and undesirable within the party ranks. So much for free speech I guess. It seems its Toe the Party Line or be gone.
Their Loss.

Keep blogging Garth……Nice to see a politician with integrity. There are far to few of those these days.

#198 Tom on 10.18.06 at 8:08 pm


I feared this day. The day the conservatives could no longer keep their promise of transparency. You were a shining beacon of that promise for them and they chose to snuff it out.

I voted for the MP, not the party. Apparently, the Conservative party is just as rotten to the core as it was before. Yes, I am now cynical. I didn’t always agree with your conclusions, but the openness you displayed is a showcase of leadership for ANY political figure.


#199 Laughing At You on 10.18.06 at 8:14 pm

What a pious blowhard. You attack your friends and colleagues, what do you expect? You are a boastful, full of pride man. May your fall be great. You have let down the people who have elected you. Your words today damn you. You say you work for the people who elected you, but you let them down by being a jerk. I used to have respect for you, but today, you got what you deserved. Bravo on your brave cohorts who kicked you out.

#200 DonR on 10.18.06 at 8:14 pm

Mr Turner,
It seems to me that your blog actions is similar to a team player who shared the play book with the opposition. A true team player puts the team and the coach first. In your case I do not perceive this with your conduct.
While it is commendable to stand by ones principles there is a time and place to do this. In your situation it should have been in the caucus not in public.

#201 SC on 10.18.06 at 8:17 pm


Sorry to see you leaving the CPC. I can’t say that I’m particularly surprised. Unfortunately, when one is very outspoken, one get up people’s noses. As an MP, you have to work with others rather than going your own way.

Unlike many who have commented, I do not feel this was a controlling maneuver by Stephen Harper. It’s just very sad that your drive, intelligence and single-mindedness makes you a strong candidate and individual contributor but not a very good team member. I believe that other MPs just didn’t know how to work with you and judging from the disappointment and anger in your voice, it seems that you did not really expect this or can understand it. It must have been a pretty rough day all round. I don’t think anyone enjoys taking this kind of action least of all the person who gets dumped.

You are a very talented and eloquent spokesman for conservative ideas. Perhaps, being a member of a large organization, like the CPC, is not the the best place for you. Rather than taking this as a personal rejection of your ideas and your approach, perhaps, it is time that you chose a new approach – establishing a conservative think-tank, writing, a TV program, etc.

Ideas and principles are what you have shaped your life and have touched all of us who have read your blog, whether we agree with you or not. It is that dialogue – what the pope calls logos – the ability to discuss ideas rationally and with respect for others who have opposing views. Ideas and innovation are what shape our world in positive ways; something that violence has never done. Those who suggest that you join the Green Party or the Liberals really don’t understand that getting revenge is not what Garth Turner is about. Perhaps, they missed reading your speech when you were running for the leadership of the Conservative Party. Then, as now, you are a man of principles and vision.

I imagine that you will be thinking about being an independent member and what this means. The question is whether you can still bring the best of yourself to this position, and be a force for positive change. Ottawa is not the only game in town, however.

There are many ways that you can communicate the principles of smaller government and economic freedom. It is time to begin anew and know that you have made many of us think about these ideas. I have read many entries of support from Canadians across all regions and political stripes who strongly support you and the discussions that you have raised.

The great thing about change is that it creates new opportunities. Whatever you choose to do, many will be watching and supporting you in your endevours. Keep your stick on the ice!

#202 len on 10.18.06 at 8:21 pm

you are a gutsy guy.. and a politician with convictions. Hmm.. what a novelty! Great example of leadership, wish you the best!

#203 Devon Rowcliffe on 10.18.06 at 8:28 pm


Well done for standing up for your convictions.

It’s clear that the current incarnation of the Conservative Party of Canada is nothing like its predecessors. The Tories used to pride themselves on grassroots democracy – but instead, they have now become one of the most elitist and centralized parties in Canadian political history.

I strongly suspect that the Green Party of Canada would best suit your beliefs. The Greens are Canada’s only truly grassroots party, amongst the “big five”.

Consider making history and becoming Canada’s first Green Party MP, Garth. The green movement needs people of your intelligence and drive. And you would help us get there.

#204 pointing out the obvious on 10.18.06 at 8:28 pm

I voted Tory in the past election. This move seals the coming overwhelming defeat of the Tories in Central Canada. Letting the loony social conservative fringe of Canadian society call the shots is going to be the nail in Harper’s coffin. Pandering to those goofs will result in the CPC ending up as a two-issue – abortion and same-sex marriage- party that means and gripes in a church basement in Alberta. Adios Tories. And that’s from a previous CPC voter.

#205 Ted V. on 10.18.06 at 8:31 pm

As a business person, if I assume that my ONLY responsibility is to clients and that I have no responsibilities to my employer, I’d be deservedly fired. You can be dramatic and state that you were representing your constituents but that is obviously a misrepresentation.

This is the absolutely most moronic thing to say. If Stephen Harper is (was) Garth Turner’s boss, then the Canadian voters are Stephen Harper’s boss, and Garth was loyal to the constituents, rather than their inefficient PM, which is commendable.

#206 Alissa on 10.18.06 at 8:32 pm

I was a Conservative… until today. This is not how democracy works! Garth, hang in there. If all politicians were like you, Ottawa would be a better, more accountable place. I can’t vote for you, I live in Nova Scotia. So now who can I vote for? Now that they’ve done this, the Conservatives are frightening. The right wing faction has gained control. The Liberals are corrupt and criminal and their policies change with the next poll. That makes them even scarier. The NDP are just plain nuts. They would withdraw from Afghanistan: breaking our credibility with our allies, putting Canada in grave danger and leaving the Afghans to certain death at the hands of the Taliban. Also they would run the economy into the ground. From what I know of the Green party, they are even more left wing then the NDP. So who can I vote for? What party can I vote for? I want a centrist party that reflects the will of the people. That listens. That has common sense. I thought I found that in the Conservative party. I was wrong. But that’s not even the worst part. The Conservatives are in a minority! Without you they need at least two opposition parties to survive. They just lost a ton of votes and a seat! They are handing Canada back to the Liberals! Garth, those idiots in the Conservative party have given you incredible power, probably by accident. You now hold the fate of this government in your hands… while I am left wondering who I can vote for.

#207 Cameron Wigmore on 10.18.06 at 8:32 pm

Hi Garth,

I’m glad that you’re an MP because you bring an individual uniqueness to Canadian government. Obviously you’re a team player, but you don’t compromise and won’t be told to keep quiet when you have something to say that needs to be said.

Your crazy day today might just turn out to be a very good day, depending on how you move forward. A friend and colleague of mine said that you’re a good guy and I trust her judgement (a clue: ‘E.M.’) so here’s wishing you the best in the days ahead.

#208 Tony on 10.18.06 at 8:33 pm

Just adding my support,
Have enjoyed the blog for many months now, keep up the good work.
You should start your own party, maybe on an anti sleaze ticket as I have the distinct impression that most of the politicians in canada from all parties are just lining their own pockets.
Keep up the good work, there are a lot of younger people like me who are very dissatisfied with politics who you strike a chord with.
Chin up son.

#209 Mr. Singh on 10.18.06 at 8:36 pm

Here is my advice, Garth: Do an awesome job. Stay on top of things. Be the best you can. Get re-elected. Then join the Greens. For the sake of the world, join the Greens!

#210 Elizabeth on 10.18.06 at 8:37 pm

Strikes me as the ultimate hypocritical act to turf you for speaking your mind, particularly given Stephen Harper’s blathering on about populist politics and all. That man is a great big lie and a control freak at that, and the sooner he is booted out of his minority office, the better. You, Garth, should keep on at it as an independent or maybe you should join the Liberals. We need more people like you in our party, too.

#211 scout on 10.18.06 at 8:41 pm

congratulations on being a victim of the reform party!!! wear it with pride, garth, because i’m on of those who certainly doesn’t agree with a lot of your opinion but appreciate your style and openess…now if only every mp could be like that.

maybe a real conservative will take over the conservative party. mackay sold you guys out and put a dent in a canadian political tradition. while government and indeed democracy need a total overhaul we’re going nowhere but backwards with the ‘faux conservatives’.

#212 Down & Out in L.A. on 10.18.06 at 8:44 pm

Thanks Garth.

I always thought that party shackles restrained you.

Finally, we will get to hear what you really think !

#213 Dan Brill on 10.18.06 at 8:45 pm

Garth ~ Forty years ago, it was Brock MacMurray. Today, it’s Stephen Harper.

Pissing off authoritarian figures is nothing new. Except in this case, it isn’t about dress code, it’s about taking a position on something a bit more important: the future of our planet.

I’m was on your side then, and I’m on your side now.

#214 Locusta emersonia on 10.18.06 at 8:47 pm

Keep up the good work Garth. Good luck.
What the CONs simply cannot understand is how an MP is expected to stand up for his or her constituents first and foremost. Obviously Harper and Emerson put their interests ahead of all voters/taxpayers. Good luck with your constituents, Mr. Turner, looks like you have a lot of supporters.
Question: Do you think Harper turfed you to make room for this McVety religious fanatic? Truly frightening, but somehow feasible for this new government.

#215 Alissa on 10.18.06 at 8:50 pm

sorry, I’ll clarify that last part, if the Conservatives only have the support of the NDP but not you and the other independant you can block it. I forgot we have two vacanies since David Emerson crossed.

#216 Bill Warden on 10.18.06 at 8:52 pm

Dear Mr. Turner,
Congratulations. A breath of fresh air to see an MP speaking his own mind instead of acting like a robot in a coma.

#217 Doug M on 10.18.06 at 8:55 pm

Sorry to hear about your expulsion from caucus, Garth. I think it was a mistake, but I’d be willing to bet that your impact on public policy will not be the lesser for it. Those who would have you join another party just don’t get it. Frankly, I don’t care what the rabble are saying about you. It should be obvious to all that you are a conservative to your bone marrow and will never be anything else. I wish I lived in Halton so I could work for you and help you get re-elected next time.

Keep on draining the swamp and never mind the alligators!

Best wishes.

#218 Stephen Karr on 10.18.06 at 8:56 pm

Garth, I’m not a Conservative, big or small c, in the popularly consceived sense of the world, though I used to be many years ago before I saw the light. 😉

I’m with you on this. The new Conservative Party, which is basically nothing more than the Alliance with a new name, is a party whose leader has rigid ideological agenda on not only economics and social programs, but on questions of private morality, on the environment, and on support for US militarism.

Ironically, there are elements of this agenda which actually have noothing to do with principled conservatism; namely support for the war on terror, and continual avoidance of the reality of climate change, of which there is overwhelming evidence and support from numerous national academies of science around the world.

Thank you for listening to your constituents. As has been said, the Conservative party needs to be brought into the 21st centuries. Don’t let the rabid ideologues and industry apologists get you down.

#219 Eric on 10.18.06 at 8:57 pm

Well I must admit this comes as a disappointment to many Ontario COnservatives. Censuring the caucus is a dumb move, kicking a standing member out of the party is even worse, given the current popularity polls for Mr. Harper’s government ( not a true Conservative, but an Alliance member right down to the core). Conservatives were once a loyal group, sad to see that change. Power is in the hands of the voters, not the elected officials. It’s a shame your ethics have been brought into question.

#220 Brian Walsh on 10.18.06 at 8:58 pm

Garth you are now back fighting for the average guy which is where you belong. Sadly there are too few people like you out there.

#221 paul on 10.18.06 at 9:04 pm

well your garth I have to say if the tories really had an issue of what you would say on your blog that perhaps came out of caucas they certainly shot themselves in the foot. Boy what a way to expose the words in your blog they objected to. The thing is I beleived Stephen harper was a smarter politcian then that. The game plan is very clear for Harper . Cut as much and as objectable as possible and then base your spring budget with massive tax break. The opposition is trapped with defeating the government with a non confidence vote over a budget with tax breaks. Taxes are the bane of all canadians and the possibility of funding for medical marijuana rallies the right in great numbers. Tim Hortons drinkers outnumber Starbucks drinkers in canada and their issues concern pickup trucks and shotguns.


#222 anthony barter on 10.18.06 at 9:07 pm

Bravo Garth:
I did not vote Conservative in the last election, but if you were running in my riding you would get my vote. I applaud your integrity. The last I heard there was free speech in Canada, I guess not in the Tory Party. Shame on them. Keep going just the way you have!

#223 Terry Wagner on 10.18.06 at 9:09 pm

There is nothing wrong in being loyal to the people who voted you in and to the constituents you represent and taking the party line as being second choice.
It is good to see a politician who cares about the people and not themselves.
Good Luck and continue the work.

#224 Alissa on 10.18.06 at 9:11 pm

Last update… after this I’ll leave you alone… Is what is on Stephen Taylor’s blog true? Garth? somebody is lying to me, and I’m going to figure out who it is. (and right now I am ticked off at everybody).

#225 Steve on 10.18.06 at 9:18 pm

I’m a hold my nose Liberal supporter so you can disregard all my comments if you are cynical(yikes! easy on the $2 hookers). I actually like Garth Turner. He’s the old red Tory with a good read on the economy and a secret love for Ellie May Green. Isn’t it sad that the Conservatives are not “big tent” like they say. Then again Garth, get a real party that isn’t based near some salt lick near Lethbridge(most people in Halton can’t even find Lethbridge on a map…nor should they). They leave Canadians(especially in Ontario) with no other choice than to vote Liberal. Even if the Conservatives win the next election it will just be a little longer ‘time-out’ for the Liberals. Too bad big C’s (and smalls)…if only you could water the rednecks down a little(such a small but impossible task)…Yee Haa…And by the way you political fools…one thing Garth knows that the rest of you can’t seen to grasp: there is no loop.

#226 'BOUT TIME on 10.18.06 at 9:22 pm

My only question is- what took them so long to turf you? Will we soon be seeing you again on the “Borrow to Invest” dog and pony circuit?

#227 MrvnMouse on 10.18.06 at 9:23 pm

Don’t listen to the detractors on this blog who preach the politics of division and strict partisanship, Garth. You are doing what all of our MPs should be doing, representing their constituents in the federal government.

Keep up the good work!

#228 pb on 10.18.06 at 9:24 pm

I can’t find any comments on this blog that were particularly out of line. The conservatives (and their supporters on this blog) are showing their real colours by turning their back on Garth just because he said some progressive things about global warming. The vitriol always stuns me.

#229 mhb on 10.18.06 at 9:26 pm

No need to rehash the question of how well can you serve your constituents now that you’ve alienated your caucus (note to all Harper haters: the caucus backed Turner’s eviction 100%, it wasn’t Harper’s decision). Your use to your constituents is obviously weakened if you sit as an independent (or Green, for that matter), and – of course – you’d be welcomed with open arms by the Libranos, who share many of your views.

The fact that you don’t support your team may just leave them stronger in your absence than with your presence, methinks.


“Jean Chretien even he wasn’t as sickeningly parasitic, sucking off the blood of private oil…”

Still busting a gut over that line. Before you type ignorant ramblings, however, you should do a bit of research. Allow me:

Chretien’s daughter is married to the son of Paul Desmarais, the Big Kahuna of Power Corporation. Power Corp was the biggest shareholder in France’s TotalFinaElf (now known as the Total Group), which secured 25% of development rights to Iraq’s oil reserves prior to the 2003 war.

So the antiwar left had crowed that Iraq was “all about oil”, in reference to GW Bush, but in reality, it was Canada’s own Jean Poutine & family who stood to profit more than any western politician if the 2003 war was a no-go & Saddam remained in power. Only coincidental that Cretin declined to join the war on “principles”, of course.

Fiddle – suggest you read Twain: “It is better to keep quiet and appear stupid…”


#230 Nigel Boychuk on 10.18.06 at 9:26 pm

I’m not in your riding, but I think you can serve Canadians better as an independent, or with the NDP fighting Steven Harper for middle class rights. What were you thinking hanging with those guys anyways, they stole the name conservatives, they’re REFORM!!! What do you expect from a party with a hidden agenda. Steven Harper’s extreme right wing views will kill the middle class in Canada faster than yo all can say “I WAN BE LIKE GW Bush WHEN i GROW UP”. Anyways no one should be ashamed about being booted from a party that’s not even forthcoming with their agenda, you’re way better off.

Best Wishes,

#231 Shed no tears on 10.18.06 at 9:28 pm

Robert Fife on CTV today said the Fiberal/Leftie mainstream media just loved it when you opened your mouth. I guess that says it all. Effective teams require team players, not blabbing rogues.

#232 Derry on 10.18.06 at 9:30 pm

I was just wondering how many of the negative comments about Mr. Turner have been made by members of the Conservative caucus? Perhaps Mr. Kenney, Mr. Baird, and Mr. Jaffer are afraid to use their own names.

#233 B Strong on 10.18.06 at 9:35 pm

It couldn’t have happened to a nastier guy!! You totally alienated the townsfolk in Belfountain with your biker rest area and now you wonder why you got booted for your big mouth…..

Made my day, I will tell you. Too bad it was so long coming.

Jane Alaine:

And you can suck my arse, as I am one of those nasty bikers who “pollute” your warped little idea of heaven in Belfountain. Garth is a breath of fresh air to your little community of stuck up, elitest big-C cockroaches.

BTW Jane, are you aware your little wannabe gated community was a HOST of motorcycle races in days gone by?

Garth rules.

Keep independant Garth, I’m in Halton, but not in your electorate. I voted conservative, however my choice was not elected.. in hindsite, i’m thankful for that, considering the balls-up that Harper has created with his leadership of Canada, influenced by political events south of the border.

I’ve voted ‘C’ for years, hoping they’d get in.. now i can’t wait til they are booted out.

#234 Down & Out in L.A. on 10.18.06 at 9:37 pm

The latest polls indicate that the remaing Ontario caucus (10 seats) would be wiped out in a new election.

So, what do you think was the motivation ?

And, who cares ?

#235 Steve McNamara on 10.18.06 at 9:38 pm

Kick Garth out before he can defect to the Green Party of=ver the short coming of the Green Plan.
Use this as a distraction to burn up a day of Ottawa media attention aroound the Green Plan so you just have a Thursday announcement and then Friday into the Weekend.
And the techies will fry Garth’s server to take away his voice
Say Harper was surprised and didn’t know – LIE!
Say the caucus was unnanimous – LIE!
Brilliant strategy Doug Finley except just like when you failed to oust him for the nomination – you have failed because you have under estimated Garth.
Garth 2 – Doug Finley 0
Of course Garth shouldn’t be in cabinet but your wife should? Hasn’t she just set the world on fire as a minister – gee wonder who she is married to??

#236 WayeJohnson on 10.18.06 at 9:39 pm

Over the years I have enjoyed your radio commentaries on ‘money matters’ However when it comes to politcs, and to be effective in whatever party one supports, you must be a “team player”! If everyone were to go out and “do his/her own thing” there would be utter chaos. One doesn’t have to park his brain at the door but he must be a team player – not a destructive maverick. Garth, I like you and your philosophies but you are not a politician and, sadly, would not fit well within the membership mould of any political party for any length of time. I wish you well for the future.

#237 John Timmermans on 10.18.06 at 9:40 pm

Garth. I have always liked you for speaking out. I am disappointed for what happened to you. I have tried to read everything about the latest blog but I have not found as yet what you have said was out of text. Was it Harper that kicked you out? As for all those Liberal writers that have such an enormous short memory, just wait how Bob Rae “now on the top” will wreck this country. The very first wrecking he will do is to make all of Canada bilingual MANDATOTY!

#238 Chris Mara on 10.18.06 at 9:41 pm

It is refreshing to hear of an MP who holds to his/her convictions while practicing the art of compromise.

#239 AL McCLAIN on 10.18.06 at 9:46 pm

man what a hornets nest thats been shaken good luck to you GARTH people are watching

#240 Barbara on 10.18.06 at 9:47 pm

New Page 1

I agree with a lot of the statements made
here already – especially Richard (10.18.06 3:38 pm), Richard (10.18.06 3:51 pm)
and Richard Hensen (10.18.06 3:54 pm). Very well said, all of you.

But surprisingly, I also agree with some of those who think the party made a
mistake today.

Murray Miskin
"It is vital that an MP be able to speak freely and question authority."
– Absolutely! But it is also vital that it
be done only with your teammates – within the confines of the dressing room –
not out on the field once the game’s started and the quarterback is doing his

Bill Costello
"The West just doesn’t understand the East … "
– Again, I agree.  But maybe – just maybe 
– could it also be true  that  the East doesn’t understand the West? 
There are ALWAYS at least 2 sides to every story.

"I voted Conservative the last election because I thought that we needed a

– That’s exactly the reason I voted for
them as well.  You must be as pleased as I am, then, with the way in which
our new Government is getting things done – efficiently and effectively.
Promises made – Promises kept.

"The average voter will not understand this is a party decision, they will
see it as one more example of Mr. Harper’s need to control."

– Again I agree.  You said it well. 
The truth is that this WAS a party decision. The Ontario caucus voted

"Hang tough Garth. I always said I voted for you in spite of the conservative
party, not because of it, and I think you’ll find enough voters like me in the
next election."

– Perhaps you’ll find a number of voters who
voted for the Conservative Party despite Mr. Turner…

#241 Andy on 10.18.06 at 9:48 pm

Obviously neither the emperor nor his court jesters appreciate being told they are naked. Geesh, are testy or what? What the heck is that all about??? Obviously they lack the intestinal fortitude to be tolerant and accepting of different points of view. The Con party has become small tent for small people. It seems like they take themselves more seriously than what is in best interests of all Canadians. Good luck Garth. Judging by the comments it looks like 80% of Canadians are behind you. As foe the other 20%, they would vote Conservative regardless of who the leader is.

#242 George Jordan on 10.18.06 at 9:50 pm

Garth, You are a man of convictions. That’s rare today.

#243 john on 10.18.06 at 9:50 pm

Thank you very much!!!! After years of endless party voting,one man has reminded us what democracy really is. We voted for your voice in Ottawa for Halton, We got it and then some. Thank you again Garth. To the PM and the other gutless sheep…Your blue is slowly bleeding red.
Proud to have voted for you, Sir!!!!!

#244 Ken Horton on 10.18.06 at 9:52 pm

Interesting that most of the negative comments here are posted by people hiding behind an alias – i.e. ‘Laughing At You’, ‘xx’, ‘Grassroot Conservative’, ‘Ontario Lad’, ‘Canadian Conservative’, ‘WOW’, ‘NeoCon’. It’s ironic that you slam Garth for standing up for his beliefs when you won’t even attach your name to yours.

#245 Janine on 10.18.06 at 9:58 pm

Tough day, Garth.

I do agree, though, that both caucuses did you a favour, and I think you will find sitting as an independent quite liberating. The best of luck to you. I know that whatever you choose to do, your constituents will always be your first priority.

Now, at the risk of sounding like your mother, take a holiday!

#246 Bill-Muskoka on 10.18.06 at 9:59 pm

Garth, you are, by the best definition, a Statesman, not a politician. Congrats on being exorcised from the Alliance Party.

Now, consider joining the Greens and doing what is truly good for this wonderful country…Our Canada!

There needs to be fresh and forthright discourse and thinking. You are far above those who have cast you out, as well as the rest of the status quo hacks who have yet to comprehend democracy!

#247 Ron on 10.18.06 at 10:06 pm

I have always believed that a MP should voice the concerns of their constituency first and follow the party line second. Not everyone in your constituency is going to agree on party policy and if your riding disagrees with the party line you should vote for the majority of the people in your riding and not the party. I firmly believe every vote should be a free vote so that the true voice of democracy can be heard. I wish my MP had the balls to vote how the riding feels instead of following the party propoganda. Do not feel slighted, this is the major problem in politics today!

#248 Catherine Cosentino on 10.18.06 at 10:11 pm

Hmmm….I feel a song coming on…lyrics are kinda like this….”you’ve got to fight, for your right to paaaaaaaaaarrrty”!

Maverick? Definately. Stand proud.

#249 Brad on 10.18.06 at 10:12 pm

I never supported your politics but I always admired your integrity to call it as you see it. We could do with less political parties and more free thinkers! Same sh*t different pile!

#250 ex conservative on 10.18.06 at 10:12 pm

I am going to make it my part time job to sink the pc government for this.

Basically the reason why everyone in my circle voted PC was because of Garths values.

Now, the pc government has shown the true stripes.

good buy PC–you are toast now…GUARANTEED

#251 AJ Pearce on 10.18.06 at 10:13 pm

You jump on the CPC bangwaggon and ride into office and then spout off like you owe nothing to the Conservative party nor do you think you need to work alongside the party. You were as good of a politician as you were a mortgage/financial advisor. Now that your political minute is up, perhaps you can get back to your “mortgage minute” and do Canada a favour….GET OUT OF POLITICS!

#252 another rebel on 10.18.06 at 10:13 pm

I commend you on being an individualist!
Bravo! We need more people like you in politics! Being a rebel can be lonely, I just wanted to let you know there are others like you out there and I support you!

#253 GLEN on 10.18.06 at 10:13 pm

I support you Garth.

Makes me wonder about our politicians. What are they thinking when such a great MP such as yourself is chopped down for voicing opinions and letting people read them?


#254 Steve on 10.18.06 at 10:13 pm


Character, Conviction, Conscience … not available with Conservatives!

Please consider moving forward as a GReenh … we need people like you!

#255 Tina Slobie on 10.18.06 at 10:15 pm

Mr. Turner I have been a card carrying Liberal for 20 years -since the day I could vote and I was very upset the night you won the Halton riding ,over the last 10 months I have been following your blogs and you impress me sir. I like YOUR politics. I would like it if you were the MP for my riding in the next election ,and I am sure that many many people in this riding feel the same way – hopefully as a Liberal or an Independent… you’ll have my support 100% but I can’t do that if you are running as PC – just can’t come to terms with checking off the PC box ,you’re great but I just can’t give my support to Stephen Harper …

#256 bye bye garth on 10.18.06 at 10:19 pm

The CPC finally got the message from me and I’m sure from plenty of others: “stop calling me for donations to your party until Garth Turner is no longer in the party!!”

I was sorry I voted for you, but at least the party got the message. It should be fun in the next election to work to see you voted out. Good luck Garth.


#257 Mark Francis on 10.18.06 at 10:20 pm

You haven’t been harmed here; you’ve been set free! This Conservative party has rarely spoken for the middle class, let alone the disadvantaged, and seems hell-bent on ignoring the serious challenges of this century.

As a strong believer in grassroots movements, transparency in governance and ‘truthiness’, you have my moral support. Please continue to keep everyone on their toes.

Remember, you’re bullet proof as long as your constituents support you.

Mark Francis
Toronto Representative
Green Party of Ontario

#258 Philippe Desrosiers on 10.18.06 at 10:22 pm

I am mostly left wing social democrat but I tend to use my brain and can separate things and like you said the world is not black and white.

I support you efforts to set in motion the thruth and chapeau to your move as you deceided to serve the people that elected you first.

I think in this political agenda seldom do we see people that are elected set their personnal goals on serving dilligently their own.

I say again chapeau (hat’s off lol) to you sir.


#259 neil on 10.18.06 at 10:23 pm

good luck, we know that no can pull your strings, best of luck

cool man

#260 Brad on 10.18.06 at 10:24 pm

I emailed Garth this afternoon, as soon as I saw the news pop up on my laptop main page.
I’m hoping he will be more of a threat to this government as an Independent than a caucus member.
As a former Liberal, I hoped for more from the current government. It is apparent Harper’s regime is no different in their arrogance than previous governments.
If I lived in Mr. Turner’s constituency, he would be guaranteed my vote.


#261 Wesley d'Haene on 10.18.06 at 10:25 pm

Looks like Stephen Taylor took the challenge:


#262 Mark Nesbitt on 10.18.06 at 10:25 pm

_”You jump on the CPC bangwaggon and ride into office and then spout off like you owe nothing to the Conservative party nor do you think you need to work alongside the party.” said AJ Pearce…_

Actually, AJ, change the word to liberal, and you have a much closer approximation of David Emerson.

Garth, I never liked you. Still don’t. But, you have stones. I’ll kick in my $20 from afar. Re-Elect!

#263 Len on 10.18.06 at 10:25 pm

Steven Harper should take note; you are looking and acting more and more like the former prime minister and his gang every day. Only you look more uncaring to the average person. Keep it up and I am sure twelve months from now or so you will be changing your forwarding address again.

Garth please don’t give an inch! It is people like you who historians vindicate and the people idolize.

#264 KPK on 10.18.06 at 10:27 pm

Isn’t this supposed to be a kiss and make up thing? I’ve got hand it to Harper, to let an MP go in a minority government situation takes guts.(or stupidity). I’ll reserve judgement on which when i hear more of the facts – if ever.

#265 HouseofCommons on 10.18.06 at 10:28 pm

Catherine, Catherine, Catherine…

And it made Stevie Har-per

On a more serious note, Mr. Turner, it is a strange way to learn about the twists and turns of a party, indeed.

Control, control, control it seems. All about the perception, hang the facts.

Thank you for this enlightenment and much success to you, Mr. Turner. No doubt.

#266 Joanne TB on 10.18.06 at 10:30 pm

Well, Garth. It’s interesting that most of your support on this blog came from other parties, and it still appears to be the case.

#267 Gord on 10.18.06 at 10:33 pm

You’re not a team player Garth, and you never have been. For that you are to be commended!!!

The reality is that Harper has an agenda to follow, your constituents and their wants/needs/desires be damned.

I’m confident you’ll hold true to your mandate and your principles and continue to provide excellent representation to those you represent in the House of Commons. Everything else aside there’s a war that needs to be sold to Canadians, the so called (sic) war on terror. Like it or not that’s at the centre of Harper’s agenda…and everything else is window dressing right now.

#268 evans on 10.18.06 at 10:34 pm

So many liberal comments on how the Conservatives were wrong to get rid of you.It reminds me how the lib media use to ask that clown Joe Clark for his opinion on Conservative matters.You are not a Conservative join Belinda,Brison and the rest of the crooks.

#269 Rich in Dundas on 10.18.06 at 10:34 pm

Youch! One of may two favourite returnees to the Tory MP fold (with Rob Nicholson), and a man I considered supporting for the leadership back in 93′. My Conservative party includes Garth Turner! I want him back with honour and enthusiasm!

#270 Fred on 10.18.06 at 10:34 pm


I have always respected your integrity and readiness to stand up for what you believe in. You’ve been saying the things that need to be said.

Have you ever considered running for the Green party? I think your common sense approach to things and personal popularity could help move the party and its agenda forward. Please give it some thought.

Keep up the good fight!

#271 John on 10.18.06 at 10:37 pm

I’m glad you’re gone. It didn’t happen soon enough. There was nothing Conservative about you. I hope you like all the ass kissing the Liberals and Greens are giving you now. I know as a former journalist that’s what you really crave.

#272 Greg on 10.18.06 at 10:41 pm

I remember when the Reformers spoke of encouraging their members to speak on behalf of their constituents. Harper was a member of that party. I will never understand how or why real Conservatives joined with or ever supported this new brand. Personally, I still hold out hope that the real conervatives will regroup and reconnect with Canadians. This country still needs a right wing party that speaks to real Canadians. I believe that there is a group working on this. Hopefully, you will decide to be their voice in the house.

#273 Timothy Coderre on 10.18.06 at 10:42 pm

Voicing an opinion is one thing Garth , I don’t fault you for that. However , any party pretending to think that it can run a open public dialog of their caucus with no political fallout is fooling themselves.Dispite the bogus poll numbers , the Liberal Party is a prime example of an undisciplined party with multiple factions. This is nothing new in politics, Libs have done it , The ndp have done it . It takes a balls to remove a seat from a minority parliament , and the Party members made the right choice. One bad apple can spoil a good thing , especially in a minority.

#274 stewart on 10.18.06 at 10:42 pm

The tories have lost the least slimey one of the bunch.Once you were elected I knew your days were numbered as our current Prime Minister is an even bigger control freak than Johny Poutine.This I think will be a one term government as they are alienating almost every one except Alberta and Washington.I would love to contribute to your campaign if it keep one more tory out of Ottawa.
PS In spite of being a Liberal I think you are doing a great job. If you were in my riding (Waterloo) I would find it hard not to vote for you

#275 SC on 10.18.06 at 10:48 pm


From the “Support Garth Turner” icon and many of the comments, I imagine that this is about to get real nasty. Too bad..up to this point, you have been focused on a positive agenda and have won many to your cause.

I hope that you are not going to end up acting like a Canadian version of Lopez Obrador. People appreciated your straight talk, courage of convictions and the excitment that you had for ideas and democracy.

The problem for people who shoot from the hip is that in politics, it’s real easy to make a misstep. Ask Michael Ignatief (3 positions on the Israeli raid on Qana to date), John McCain, & Joe Lieberman. Does anyone remember the guy who ran for the Democratic nomination against John Kerry?

Everyone seems to be egging you on to make a complete fool of yourself. Doing your impression of the Prime of Miss Jean Brodie “I have the loyalty of my girls”, is just going to make you look like the biggest sorehead on the planet.

Don’t go there…keep the principles that you didn’t check at the door. Don’t drag those principles through the mud. Taking a confrontational approach will not alter what has happened or make your fellow MPs any more willing to work with you. It will simply marginalize your ideas and therefore, will ensure that your constituents are not heard… serving neither you nor your riding.

The bloggers here have tried to use this incident to trash all conservatives and conservative principles in a desparate attempt to resusciate the Liberal party which has virtually no discernable principles, and even less direction. They want to use you to trash the very principles you stand for. What is really of concern is the anger against western Canadians. Do people really think that western Canadians are the enemy… and they say Stephen Harper is scary.

I know that what happened today must have been devastating. Perhaps, taking some time and stepping back might help to put things into perspective. It’s time to take a breather and look at what is important to you.

It isn’t easy when your colleagues reject what you are trying to do. It has to be a very personal loss.

#276 Harrison on 10.18.06 at 10:49 pm

Sometimes politicians say things that makes people believe in them. The odd time a politician does something that proves that belief isn’t misplaced.

You’ve just moved the bar one notch higher on The Hill!

#277 jerry on 10.18.06 at 10:53 pm

To bad all these new found leftist friend’s don’t live in your riding and can’t vote for you!

#278 Marilyn on 10.18.06 at 10:57 pm

Why are you anti-conservatives so upset Garth got booted?You’d think you’d be happy,since you don’t like Conservatives,you can have him now.In the words of an old western song “Thank GOD and Greyhound you’re gone”,Garth.

#279 MJ on 10.18.06 at 10:59 pm

This pathetic move by the CPC Party will definitely backfire!!! What happened to discussion and debate!! It appears that Stephen Harper is turning Canada into a dictatorship!!Scarey Stuff!!Didn’t he ardently promise the very opposite while campaigning??I quess he is just a typical politian who says anything to get elected!! What a shame!! Another one bites the dust!!!

#280 Henry on 10.18.06 at 11:04 pm

Well Turner:

You finally wrote the check you couldn’t cash.

Harper should have turfed you even before the election.

Your big mouth does no one favors.

Enjoy all the friends you’ll be sitting with

#281 sher on 10.18.06 at 11:06 pm

Hey, I’d be celebrating. Even when Mr. Harper does photo-ops with children to soften his public image he still looks stone-cold. That’s cause his eyes are too expressive, you can always tell he doesn’t give a damn if you’re not in Alberta.

#282 JimLad on 10.18.06 at 11:07 pm

Your party voted you out unanimously,,,, Twice! Now don’t you think that when everyone else is wrong and your right that maybe you are the one who is out of step?
Doesn’t all the support you are receiving from the Greens, Liberals and NDP’s strike you as being just a little odd? You are a conservative right?
You have inflicted a lot of damage on your party over this past eight months and now you are in a position to help no-one. Seems to me you are left with two choices.
Eat humble pie, apologize and try to repair the damage to your party or simply wander the halls of power as an independent and accomplish absolutely nothing.
Your play.

#283 Surecure on 10.18.06 at 11:41 pm

A congratulations to both Garth for the nice edit job, and Stephen Taylor for his usual investigative prowess.

I guess that kind of blows your whole challenge to the Canadian public to come here and read for themselves. The fact that you definitely changed one of your posts really ruins the opportunity for the public to come in here and read what was written… seeing as what was written ain’t here anymore.

The post in question was written some months ago, then the Conservative Whip asked me to remove some words, which I immediately did to be cooperative. — Garth

#284 Scott James Robertson on 10.18.06 at 11:49 pm

Garth: I agree with Alissa in that “I want a centrist party that reflects the will of the people. That listens. That has common sense”.

Use this momentum to START A NEW PARTY based on grassroots democracy with the internet as it’s vehicle.

There are so many people (young and old) who are craving a new voice. A voice that says “i’m not a part of the old, corrupt, ineffective system. I’m new and ready to take a modern approach to our problems”.

Please Garth, make a move…

Also, I’d just like to point out how vicious and rude the comments have been from many of the admitted conservatives. It provides a glimpse into the mind of SOME of their base.

Keep up the good work and run with this…

#285 Paul R on 10.18.06 at 11:50 pm

I have been following you for several years. I have read all books on financial planning and the weekly articles you put in the papers. Your blog is full of incredible topics of debate and it does not matter what your political allegiance is. From discussions on the Emerson crossover, dual citizenship and the costs of rescuing the Lebanese, supporting our troops in Afghanistan or your non-interest in re-opening the same sex marriage. Your MP TV included guests from all parties and political affiliation. The vast majority of your views are still Conservative but in actuality you are more of a free-lancer or independent. You will probably have more freedom now than ever. It just hasn’t sunk in yet. I am amazed at all the first time guests that visited your site today, as I do not recognize the majority of the names. If you go to another party such as Green, do so with the recommendation and support of your constituents first. Although this may appear to be a setback, please continue to engage topics of discussion and represent your constituents as always. Good luck and thank you for your blogs and effort.

PS Although the vote was unanimous, for the ones that voted to support you, they may have been targeted next. OCTJMO (Regular bloggers understand this acronym.)

#286 NCF TO on 10.18.06 at 11:53 pm

Garth: I thought you had integrity. But then you got up in front of the press and played stupid, saying you have no idea why you were given the boot. You predicted it yourself many times right here on this blog! You made it very clear that you weren’t interested in being a Conservative team player, and it became apparent that it was only a matter of time before you acted as the opportunist you are and grabbed a headline by resigning from caucus on some sort of principle. They sniffed you out and did what they had to do, so you couldn’t do the damage you wanted to do to them. Bad on you. Green, Lib, or Indy, you’re done in electoral politics. You’ve just handed your riding back to the luckiest man in the world, Gary Carr. You’re not nearly as popular as you think you are – without the party, you’re toast.

#287 hda on 10.18.06 at 11:55 pm

Obeisant partisanship may work to further many a Parlimentarian’s career, but as a voter I cannot help but respect someone with the integrity to voice his own opinions in the climate established by the Harper government. Debate is essential for a healthy democracy, something our current leader doesn’t appear to understand.

#288 Steve Salt on 10.18.06 at 11:58 pm

Go Green! Proactive health care, climate change and economic sustainability in the face of drastic environmental and social change will shape the Canada of the next 20 years. What a perfect opportunity to make a huge impact as a Conservative Green! Good luck in the whatever direction you go, thanks for being a politician who speaks the truth and speaks for the people, and not the party.

#289 M-P Joanis on 10.18.06 at 11:59 pm

Way to go Garth!! Vas-y Garth! Fais ton chemin! Follow your own!! I admire your courage to stand and speak freely as we are in a DEMOCRACY! YES WE ARE!! and we need more people like YOU in Politics who are not afraid to speak up and speak frankly, Bonne chance!! M-P Joanis

#290 James on 10.19.06 at 12:02 am

Well that’s what you get for speaking your mind in Mr. Harper’s Canada.

So much for transparency..

I’m surpised that so many people think that the fact members of other parties supported you was a bad thing. I guess to them it’s more about consolidating power than serving Canadians.

Well, alteast you stood up for Canadian Conservative values. Rather than becoming the errand boy of american neo-cons like so many other members of your caucus who are using the name of Canadian conservativism to gradually destroy or sell out the institutions that make this country great.

#291 James on 10.19.06 at 12:03 am

The government needs more people like you.

Hang in there Jim

#292 SC on 10.19.06 at 12:12 am

Looks like this is about to turn into a knock-down-drag-out fight. Is one to imagine from the icon “Support Garth Turner: A Call to all Canadians” that you intend to become Canada’s answer to Lopez Obrador. I sincerely hope that this is not the case. No one other than the liberals would enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself through a challenge that only Servantes could envisage.

A confrontation will not change the decision taken by your conservative colleagues and only serve to marginalize your ideas and approach still further.
Today must have been a very rough day for you and I don’t imagine your colleague derived any pleasure from having to take this very difficult decision.

It’s time to let it go. Perhaps, taking some time with family and then, you can decide where you wish to go from here.

Do yourself a favor and stop reading these blogs. There are just too many voices pulling you in different directions and jumping on the flank. You need a break from the eye of the media storm and the endless needs and opinions of bloggers everywhere. You have earned a break.

#293 Jeff on 10.19.06 at 12:13 am

Mr. Turner,

Thank you for sticking to your guns. It is refreshing to see a politician in Ottawa who represents the intrests of his constituents and not towing the party line.

I have never voted conversative and I will never will, but you have earned my respect!. Thank you for challenging Steven “Yes George” Harper.

Mr. Turner you deserve better than being in a party that is the Reform Party in Drag!

#294 Vera Gottlieb on 10.19.06 at 12:13 am

What a blessing if other MPs would follow your line of thinking. Perhaps then we would enjoy having a “democracy” again.

#295 Ontario Lad on 10.19.06 at 12:14 am

Ok Garth, you can can the coy little act of not knowing this was coming. No one is seriously buying it, so cut the crap.

For instance –

Turner wrote of a series of “unhappy meetings” with caucus officials over some of his comments, including one with Prime Minister Stephen Harper.


Turner said he expected to be assigned an office in “a renovated washroom somewhere in a forgotten corner of a vermin-infested dank basement…………It was made abundantly clear to me that they’d prefer if I shut up and went home. I didn’t.”

And especially –

Turner also said on his website that his “career options within the Conservative caucus are seriously limited,” but that reality is unlikely to stop him from speaking out in the future.

So you see Garth, your big mouth has spoken, but we remember. You KNEW what you were doing, so don’t act so mystified as if this suddenly came down the pike.

Grow up. Seriously.

#296 Nate on 10.19.06 at 12:14 am

Garth, grow up. You want to be an independent? Fine. Run as an independent.

But you wanted the funding from the CPC, you wanted the credibility from being associated with a party, you wanted the recognition, and therefore, you have to respect the party’s rules.

Like I said, if you want to run as an independent, fine. Hand the true choice to the voters. But for crying out loud, don’t run for a party then “play maverick.” You knew the rules and were amply warned of the consequences.

You did this to yourself. As another note, for all this Harper bashing going on… can anyone say John Nunziata? You Liberal hypocrites.

#297 Ontario Lad on 10.19.06 at 12:15 am

BTW, props to CTV NEWS for the above quotes.

#298 Brad D. on 10.19.06 at 12:16 am

Well…well. The Conservatives are voicing their rhetoric. It comes in the form of “glad you’re gone” to “inflicting damage on your party”.
Boo-hoo. At least Mr. Turner has the courage and convictions to stand up for his beliefs. It appears from some of the postings, one can’t say the same to the current government supporters or their members in Parliament.

It appears, Mr. Turner, your ethics are clearly in the right direction.


#299 Geoff on 10.19.06 at 12:18 am

To the people (i.e. the few posts above this posting) who decided to bad-mouth Mr. Turner:

If you look closely at the ideals he believes in: less governance, cut in government spending, etc…these are all consistent with the conservative ideology. Take a step back and look at what he is actually championing about before casting your judgement.

This issue reminded me of my high school days (10 years ago), when we were discussing issues around the world, the teacher_always_made a few students play the role of the devil’s advocate to stimulate more thoughtful responses, and more meaningful debates. The end result? Better judgment, students became more informed.

Makes me wonder…

#300 Frenchy on 10.19.06 at 12:19 am

Garth, never heard of you before today, but you have gained my respect. Keep up the good work!

#301 neutralsam on 10.19.06 at 12:19 am

Well done Garth, Your the type of person the green party needs. We have to get away from this 2 party country. Corruption is rampent in both along with the baggage they bring to the table.
A politician of the people and for the people, that elected him, what a breeze, the fresh air is sweeping through the house, never follow the party line for the sake of the party, its the people that voted for youthat count the most.

Again Well Done

#302 TEL on 10.19.06 at 12:22 am

I am a liberal however I make this comment….

Harper has done more in the past few months than the Liberal dictatorship did in the past 12 years.

No sucking up from me Mr. Garth. You will find your place in the Political history books….with about 2 lines on the page.

#303 John R on 10.19.06 at 12:23 am

Garth, I’ve been watching you for years. I think you have a good head on your shoulders. Right or wrong. Politicians these days are overboard. If you decide to start a new party, somewhere between Liberal and Conservative and are committed to honesty and hard choices that will be good for Canadians and Canada I’d be interested in being a representative.

#304 Locusta emersonia on 10.19.06 at 12:24 am

Talk with your constituents Mr. Turner. If they will accept you as an Independent or something else, it’s up to them.
You are an Independent now, or will be as soon as the Cons decide if you are suspended or turfed.
I wouldn’t recommend taking Emerson and Harper’s route and relegating your constituents to bit players in a politico-drama too important for the voter’s to have a say in.

#305 Kyle Grice on 10.19.06 at 12:33 am

Garth Turner MP Green Party has a good ring to it. Believe me it’s not all that hard to shift from Conservative to Green. Just add ecologically conservative to fiscally conservative and you’re there. During the last election debates you agreed with many of the Green ideas. Perhaps you can bring those green ideas as you said it “to the real world.” Parliament Hill needs it.
You would make world news with the Green Party, it’s the biggest political party in the world.
We all know what party is the second choice of most conservatives.
You would be welcome as a green.

#306 jamie t rose on 10.19.06 at 12:34 am

with you all the way

#307 Joseph Collins on 10.19.06 at 12:36 am

Garth, as far as I’m concerned, you are doing your job. MPs are supposed to represent the people to their party, not the other way around. I don’t see why other MPs follow your lead in this respect.

#308 Ontario Lad on 10.19.06 at 12:38 am

Garth whines piteously –

“Why now? What actually happened today or yesterday to precipitate this?” Turner told a news conference in Ottawa on Wednesday.Garth Turner


The party had been warning Turner since the summer to stop with the injudicious blogging. Before MPs returned to Parliament, the Conservatives held a special caucus meeting to lay down the law with Turner.Robert Fife

And over a month ago – “In case you are wondering, I am still in caucus! Wonders never cease.” Garth Turner

So you see Garth, your plantive protestations of “why now?” ring a little hollow. Obviously, you got turfed because you simply cannot learn to keep your big yap shut.


#309 Randy on 10.19.06 at 12:51 am

What I love about Garth’s blog is that it does indeed give us other non Conservative supporters a say. It also opens our eyes up to just how low life some of you Harper lovers are by the way you are railing on Garth today.

What really makes me sick is to insult the intelligence of Canadians and say “Harper knew nothing about this” Bull—t. Keep it up Steve, the numbers are going down,down,down.

#310 Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech » Spreading the word and controversy in the Canadian blogosphere on 10.19.06 at 12:51 am

[…] punted out of the Conservative party for apparently breaching rules of confidentiality on his blog. I’m not sure what exactly it was and neither does Mr. Turner. I certainly hope […]

#311 Andrew on 10.19.06 at 12:57 am

Garth – this is a blessing. Stay independent and represent your constituents without hesitation… that’s what representative democracy is supposed to be about!
Finally, in a minority parliament we learn what the body is supposed to be. Go to your roots – spend some time in Milton… and give ’em all hell in Ottawa.

#312 K on 10.19.06 at 1:02 am

Sorry Garth – you have proven that you have never been a team player and I can’t blame the CPC for kicking you out. I agree with Jimlad – it seems very odd that members of other parties give you their support when you say you are a conservative. This alone should tell us a lot and makes us wonder if you’ve ever truly been one. I’m sure you weren’t surprised about your dismissal anyway – you were looking for it to make the headlines once again.

#313 Nick on 10.19.06 at 1:05 am

Garth, you are a hell of an MP and you have demonstrated everything that a voter & citizen would expect in their representative — a representative that puts their constituent’s views first and parties second. This is how it is done at City Councils in Ontario, and should be adopted in the upper levels of Government.

Again, kudos to you Garth!

#314 shewholovesthetruth on 10.19.06 at 1:07 am

hi garth. i am happy to hear that you had the guts to hold others to account for their decisions, actions, etc., and am happy that the cpc mobil has been upset and is spinning a little more out of control (the cracks of this closed, republican driven party is showing its cracks (deceit, lies cannot prevail – ew, sounding bushian – God Bless him)…and now i’m here at your blog to say that you could be the man some of us have been praying for…i’ve been saying, who will be the man who will stand up and not be afraid to speak up on issues destroying the planet and its people? who will be the man who holds up a mirror to those who are so afraid of looking at it because they may finally see who the true enemy is — themselves. the enemy is within…and as long as those who choose to deflect, digress, cover up, spin the issues that are harming ALL of us and run further from the truth, they will continue to point fingers rather than taking responsibility. i have been a part of the problem because i don’t speak up and out over the lies i see many governments perpetuating. most of us know what the truth is, but are too afraid to speak up.

i am so tired of being a hostage to a government that doesn’t speak for me. harper is not my pm. in my perception, he speaks out of turn every time his rhetoric ends with a ‘this is what canadians want’…don’t speak for me, steven. i see you are a puppet for the u.s. government, not a leader or a visionary…and God Bless America for the disasterous decisionmaking, corporate driven agendae, wrecking havoc everywhere in the world. and harper is blindly loyal, no vision for a better society, a healthy society, a peaceful society…anyways, God Bless you, mr. harper….we are praying for you too…..stop this madness. wake up.

i am so sick of supporting politicians and their lifestyle. i see politicians going into this game for a lifestyle for themselves…seeking power at all costs. you don’t have a lot of power in in this country because we are not blind here. we still see truth (as i am sure some of the other cpc party members do but are too afraid to speak up — groupthink issues as well). better to do what big daddy tells you to do at all costs so that you might feel you have perceived power. hah! some power. the only real power is God. the only real power and freedom is within. there are many distractions that governments are making so that we don’t go within and speak up. but that is changing i pray. unfortunately, our planet is dying due to codependency (too worried about what others might think of us; blindly loyal or patriotic, etc.). the first deadly sin is pride. it’s at the top of the list. and i see too many politicians full of pride (another form of fear) to actually admit to their mistakes. they rather take others down (and looks like they are self sabotaging because their health and safety are also compromised).

oh garth, thanks for letting me post my thoughts and feelings. i’ll pray for you too, that you continue to be true to yourself and those who elected you. perhaps garth turner and obama burak in the u.s….something’s gotta give….God Bless us all (and i believe God is…God is so much bigger than all of this. peace, blessings, take care

#315 Jake on 10.19.06 at 1:16 am

Proof is in the blog….being honest and open is not being political…telling lies to the people and covering up scandals is political….Garth, I think maybe politics was a bad choice for you because we can clearly see what it takes to be a politician….good luck in your future and maybe its time to form a “realist” party…take care

#316 Guelph Guy on 10.19.06 at 1:18 am

Garth… I always thought you were too good for the Republ… I mean ‘new’ Conservative party anyways. I’m sure they will be knocking on your door if there is another close vote in the House… stick to your beliefs. You are one of the few that I believe will vote the way you would expect that your consituents would want you to anyway. Wow… that was wordy, maybe I should run too.

#317 Ontario Lad on 10.19.06 at 1:21 am

“We had national caucus this morning,” he wrote on Feb. 7. “I cannot tell you what was said (well I could, but I won’t), because caucus only really works when people know it is private. …” Garth Turner, Feb 7/06(Quote credited to CTV NEWS)


You new that privacy was the only way for caucus to work AND YET you did chose to behave differently.

Mr. Turner, you’re pathetic.

#318 Paul Sowyer on 10.19.06 at 1:25 am

Mr. Turner I admire you for your courage to speak your mind, history and people are on your side.

#319 Mike Wpg. on 10.19.06 at 1:32 am

Good riddens, you were hurting the party more than helping it. What you don’t realize is that the vast majority of people vote party first, candidate second. Now you’re guilty of the same sort of thing that you criticized Emerson for… screwing the voters out of their real choice for a Tory MP. I don’t understand why you couldn’t just shut up, work hard, and eventually get into cabinet where you could do real work for your constituents.

#320 ferrethouse on 10.19.06 at 1:34 am

Good for you for sticking to your principles! Now you should seriously consider joining the Green Party and making a huge difference in Canadian politics.

LMAO – One of his principles was NOT switching parties.

Garth. If I ever go into battle I sure as hell hope you aren’t by my side – especially if you have a knife.

#321 shelley f on 10.19.06 at 1:41 am

I doubt if every one of your constituents agrees with every statement you have been making, but it seems like you are actually trying to represent your constituents’ opinions with all the opportunities you are giving people for input. Most of our parties seem to have leadership and vision problems- saying one thing to get into power and doing another thing once in power. I see you as a source of hope and honesty in our current political climate. Keep up your effort to have your voice and our voices heard.

#322 Laura on 10.19.06 at 1:53 am

Good on you, for sticking to your principles. Know that I would vote for you again, if you ran as an independent.


#323 Small c Tory on 10.19.06 at 2:07 am

I support you Gath I have been an active member tory since the days of the three seat party What I always enjoyed about being A PC was the free flow of ideas among the members of our party and it’s leadershipweather Jean Joe or Peter agreed with you was irrelevant they wanted to hear what every one had to say good or bad. Thats how we rebulit the party fro a party of three to five times that. Ignoring people and ideas you don’t agree with may work with regional politics but it won’t win in the nation arena. As a note to those who previously noted that to be conservitve is to follow the part line forgets our proud history from the days of Sir. John A. who through compromise built Canada. Those leaders who fail history are dammed to repeat it……..

#324 Jim on 10.19.06 at 2:07 am

What a self-centred egomaniac. Good riddance, the Conservatives will be far better off without you.

#325 AJ Pearce on 10.19.06 at 2:12 am

How long till Garth gets an offer from the Liberals to jump ship……..

#326 Riverview on 10.19.06 at 2:13 am

Interesting comments… I am not in your riding nor did I vote PC the last election. You are one of the best MP’s in Parliament, and it is the loss of the PC Party.

Yes, you represent the Party, but first and foremost our politicians are elected BY THE PEOPLE, and are thus first and foremost RESPONSIBLE TO THE PEOPLE, not the Party as some argue.

Is any Political Party perfect??? No, and therefore one would know that an elected MP might disagree with a decision his/her Party is making. What is so wrong with this? Why do some argue to “only disagree behind closed doors” when we live in a democracy and all Party’s make mistakes… pure politics.

This PC Party, led by Stephen Harper (whom I’m sure had some part in this outcome), does not believe in true democracy.

I wish all Politicians were like you, trying to do your best for the people and not just playing Party Politics. Good luck as an Independent and wherever you go. Please stay in politics… we need more politicians like you, Garth.

#327 KG on 10.19.06 at 2:23 am

The writing has been on the wall a long time. Way back when you where first elected an MP I sent you a small note speaking about this possibility. I also mentioned that it was going to take a person that was really dedicated to resist the tempataions that the party would lay in front of you in exchange to tow the party line … They failed and today they admited that failure. Nothin but a great future is in store Garth.

#328 Mat on 10.19.06 at 2:32 am

Wouldn’t it be great to become the first elected Green MP?

#329 Kurt Phillips on 10.19.06 at 2:48 am

Ya’ll have no idea how much I’m loving this.

As opposed to most of those who have posted support for Mr. Turner, I actually AM a socialist. Democratic of course, and proud of it so I personally enjoy the venom spewed by the conservatives who have posted here. It serves as further confirmation about how vile and spiteful the hardliner supporters of the Conservative Party really are (as opposed to conservatives whom I might not agree with but with whom I can engage in a respectful debate on the issues)…. and provide yet more proof as to why their tenure in government will be shortlived.

The rhetoric! My goodness! Lieberal? Librano? Some of ya’ll have gone to the “commie” well too! Hilarious! Don’t ya’ll have an original insult that you have to parrot what others have said before you? Just a wee bit stale.

You want to know why the Liberals (whom I personally loathe but are fare more acceptable than any Conservative government) have fared so well for the better part of a century? They’re a big tent part that is very effective at occupying the middle. The Progressive Conservatives were as well, untill MacKay betrayed his party for 30 pieces of silver.

The Garth Turner saga is another indicator of the intollerance the Conservative Party has for dissent and disagreement.

“If you’re not with us your with the Liberals.” The rhetoric of exclusion.

I don’t care for Mr. Turner’s politics and would never vote for him, though he seems like a guy who I’d share a beer or two with. Nor do I really think he’s some sort of populist hero. What I do appreciate about Mr. Turner is that his ouster will do the Conservatives more harm than allowing him to remain in his party would do. And to quote Martha Stewart, that’s a good thing.

#330 Kurt Phillips on 10.19.06 at 2:50 am

“How long till Garth gets an offer from the Liberals to jump ship……..” ~ AJ Pearce

To be fair, he didn’t jump ship so much as he was thrown overboard.

#331 Stephen Karr on 10.19.06 at 3:20 am

The Conservative Party is toast in the next election, regardless the state of the other parties. They have been far too right wing on so many issues for the average Canadian. Big C Conservatives, you may say good riddance, but your ship ain’t goin nowhere either.

#332 Christoph on 10.19.06 at 5:06 am

I am a liberal however I make this comment…

Harper has done more in the past few months than the Liberal dictatorship did in the past 12 years.

No sucking up from me Mr. Garth. You will find your place in the Political history books….with about 2 lines on the page.

By TEL on 10.19.06 12:22 am

Well said and astute.

#333 jim bender on 10.19.06 at 5:52 am

Do a good job…and the PEOPLE will decide who sits after the next election…I wouldn’t worry too much though, as people will fully respect you for keeping your independance…
you’ll remain elected, while the CONservatives go down the crapper.
Hey..start a new party maybe?? Or perhaps better…The CPC “stole” it’s name…perhaps you should”steal” it back and start a new party for real Canadians who feel quesy with the Bushite/harperites. Just a little too right wing for most Canadians.
Keep your chin up! And fight a good fight and you’ll be the last man standing.

#334 tony vuccino on 10.19.06 at 8:14 am

Dear Garth,

You’re a great guy, but you were in the wrong Party!!!! YOU NEVER BELONGED THERE ANYWAY.

They are Harper/Bush Conservatives…. NOT JOE CLARK!!!!

NOW take advantage of the situation and move your policies ahead,by creating a new Conservative Party!!!!
A Real Progressive Conservative Party .


Good Luck,

Keep up the good work Garth!!!!!,


#335 Mikebike on 10.19.06 at 8:17 am

After listening to the steptoe drool Mr. Harper spouted at the Bnai Brith function last evening, is it any wonder why we are at where we are at today. Mr. Harper has about as much understanding of the Middle Eastern situtation as a pin head.

Also,let me see ——— does he know that there are legal brothels in Tel Aviv that have human captives purchased from human slave traders in Moldova and Bulgaria doing the nasty. Yes huamn slaves in Israel….. what a wonderful country. David Ben Gurion must be shaking his head that his “country” is so messed up today.

Does he also undstand the water situation in the Golan, whoops does he know were the Golan is —- where the Israeli’s recently killed (murdered) a UN troop from Canada one of our finest minds, and “coolest under fire” soldiers… has he forgotten this. I am surprised he hasn’t condemned them for this action. Hasn’t even sought financial retribution for the family.

Such bull shit, none of these guys elected right now from the Consercative Party has ever faced a hot piece of lead in their life. It drives me nuts. We are aso underquipped in Afghanistan, so underbudgeted. Mr. O’Connor what a friggin’ joke he is. I’ll bet the majority of the Canadian population doesn’t know the Taliban eviscerated (live) about a dozen French Foreign Legionaires in July in Helmand proivince, when we couldn’t get in there to relieve them or drop supplies and rations. Can you hear the screaming now…… can you hear the screaming now…..

Good on you Garth, move on, do your thing, keep them honest – not that the NDP (maybe they didn’t hear David Perlman’s head being cutoff by the Taliban, listening to his bewgging until all you could hear was the screaming and the dieing breath coming out of his espophagus – no time for Jack Layton — sorry)or the Liberals with that Micharel — Ignoramus — Ignatief – the loose cannon.

Make it happen Garth!

#336 Russell McOrmond on 10.19.06 at 9:30 am

I am just wanting to post my voices of support. I find it frustrating that you were kicked out of your party for being transparent on a Weblog.

I Posted the following on my own blog:

Many stories suggest that he was kicked out of the caucus for his views. My question is this: While we know the views of someone transparent enough to have a daily BLOG, what do we really know about the other 307 MPs?

#337 Bob Edwards on 10.19.06 at 10:13 am

After reading most of the comments of support for Garth (soon to cross the floor) Turner, most seem to run the gammot of everything from Green to Marxist Leninists. Of course they want you to switch parties, the less seats the better for the Conservatives, for the gain of their own corrupt parties.

#338 Werner Patels on 10.19.06 at 11:11 am

You have my full support, as I told you a while ago when Harper and his henchmen were first gunning for you.

You don’t need the Conservative Party’s respect; you have all the respect in the world you need: that of your voters.

I wish you well, whether you continue to sit as an independent or join the Liberal Party or even Green Party.

#339 S Hudson on 10.19.06 at 11:13 am

I expect that if you join any other Political party you will take your own advise and step down to run a by-election. You called for Mr. Emerson to do that. What is good for the goose…


#340 duane on 10.19.06 at 11:21 am

You are certainly a mixed bag, Garth, and while I appreciate your commitment to your riding constituets, you really need to strike a balance, or start your own party! Some months ago, I suggested in a comment to this blog, that you tone down the rhetoric or keep your criticisms/comments inside caucus, which I am sure you were advised to do several times by your colleagues…you ignored my advice and the inevitable happened, as many have predicted.

Here’s the nub of your problem, as I (a former Reformer since 1992) see it, and why I agree with your departure from caucus…something for you to ruminate about in your conversation with May of the Green Pary (my green way or the highway is her motto, as you will learn). In my view to be a good politician, .one has to be able to represent his/her constituents AND the party, respect party rules, etc.

If you cannot achieve that balance, then you should not be in politics, for any party!

People like you, Ignatieff and loose-lips Carolyn Parrish give politics and politicians a bad name…

#341 Ontario Lad on 10.19.06 at 11:24 am

Mr. Turner, criticism the CPC can handle, and its done so since its inception. You are WELL aware of that. It is foolish to think that your former party should continue to keep someone who is willing to breach Caucus confidentiality for his own sake and for his own ego. Simply put, Mr. Turner, you have proven that you cannot be trusted to keep silent in these matters, and thus you were dumped. Point finale.

It is also fine and noble for you to want to represent your constituents to the best of your ability. However, you also chose to join a particular political party (this would and should apply to any party) that was supposedly in line with your views and for the obvious benifits they conferred to you; benifits that you would not have come close to receiving had you chosen to run as an Independent. It was up to you to conform to what was clearly expected and you obviously coulnd’t or wouldn’t do that.

Mr. Turner, I’m sure that you would be welcomed back should you do what was initially expected; honouring aspects of party participation that you KNEW would be expected of you. However, if you cannot, fine. Goodbye, best of luck pal, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

#342 Glenn Hubbers on 10.19.06 at 11:56 am

Garth, I’ll admit my bias right up front so that the ultra conservatives who don’t like you anyway don’t have to waste their time reading further.

I was the Green Party candidate in Newmarket-Aurora in 2006 and, if all goes well, will continue to represent the Green Party in 2007.

I know how vocal you were about David Emerson taking advantage of the voters in his riding and I agreed with you completely. That should never have been allowed. Even with Belinda Stronach one could stretch ones mind to the idea that she gave it a fair shot within the CPC. I think she should have gone Independant and then aligned with the Liberals in the next election if she wanted, but that’s water under the bridge since enough voters seem to have forgiven her or didn’t care.

However, you didn’t leave the party by choice. You were told that you were out. Your situation is 100% different than theirs.

The choice is now yours to make about what to do next.

Your choices are to stay Independent or to join another Party; Liberal, NDP or Green being the your main choices. I can’t see you as a Liberal or NDP so it is really Independant or Green.

Now here’s my pitch about why you should go Green.

1. You’ve long said that you work on behalf of the voter, the taxpayer, the Canadian citizen. First and formost for the voters in Halton, but also for the voters across Canada.

2. You’ve spoken out against certain policies of the Harper government including policies on the environment, income tax reform, and MP independance, among others.

3. You’ve said that an MP’s job is to consider all ideas, mull them over, and then push for what you feel is in the best interest of the voters.

On all of these, I think you’d find that your values align perfectly with the Green Party.

However, the real reason go Green now is that there is no greater service that you could provide to Canadian voters than to change the political landscape by bringing the Green Party into the House.

Remember the Reform Party in 1993 and where they are today. They had one MP from a by-election and 13 years later they have a minority government from which you have just been removed.

Go Green Garth. The voters in Halton will surely judge your decision in the next election, but I think that this decision will be easy for you to defend. You will simultaneously guarantee that the Greens are heard in the televised debates, increased the quality of debate within the house, provide voice to over 800,000 voters, and you strengthen the Green Party in the minds of millions of other voters who will list the party as their second choice but need one MP to believe it’s possible.

The voters of Halton will judge you in the short term. But history will judge your decision in the long term.

It’s your choice. Make it a good one.

#343 Bernard in Kanata, ON on 10.19.06 at 12:29 pm

Congrats on your ouster Mr. Turner, the true colours of the CPC are revealed once again… As a voter up here in western Ottawa (in Mr. G. O’Connor’s riding) I applaud your dedication to your constituents, and your willingness to speak your mind.

I hope you will be very careful about what you do next, lest you appear hypocrical re your words against floor-crossing… My humble advice: while being courted by other parties, please stay independent for a few months so as to be able to get a good sense of what your constituents would accept of your next move. I think moving to the Greens would be a historical act and I am sure you are very tempted!… But if you act too quickly you will betray your constituents who expect you to sit and think and deliberate and consult. You are a thinking and conscientious man – don’t fail the test of the moment!

Good luck sir, regards from Kanata

#344 Randy H. on 10.19.06 at 12:37 pm

You know people coming on here posting their little rants about Garth for example this clown (Ontario Lad) who can’t even use his own name because he is to “pathetic” shall we say, are really quite that, Pathetic.

Why should he run for bi-election, he didn’t cross the floor, he was kicked out on the orders of your little dictator Steve, and don’t insult the intelligence of Canadians by saying Steve knew nothing about it. Comparing him to Belinda or Emerson is Pathetic. Not even close for comparison. Where is this so called Honesty, accountability and openness that Harper and the CPC ranted on and on about?

#345 Tom McHugh on 10.19.06 at 12:58 pm

Garth I am not a conservative supporter but have always admired your take on the issues.I and many others hope you are able to represent your constituants for many years. I wish there were more Members of Parliment with your stength of character.

#346 bob verge on 10.19.06 at 12:58 pm

Glad to see one less vote in the house for the undeservatives.How about some really good gossip?

#347 Canuckflack / Blog leads to MP’s suspension? on 10.19.06 at 1:02 pm

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#348 Pete on 10.19.06 at 1:19 pm

Jeez Garth! Where’d you get the bulldozer necessary to knock over this big a hornets nest? Sorry, but gotta laugh here. Anything left of you after all this tugging going on? Let me put it as plainly as I can. Should you ever decide to really put your political career on the line (little humour there) let me know. I’ll vote for you. Just don’t do what so many others before you have. Be meek and humble before the election and then arrogant and stupid after. Little joke for ya, which i think will tie in nicely with this situation.

A politician dies and goes up to the pearly gates. The gate keeper informs him that since he has an even number of good and bad strikes, god can’t decide what to do with him. So, he would have one day in heaven and one day in hell to decide for himself which one he wanted. Of course, the politican thought this was a good idea. He chooses heavan first cause we all know what hell is supposed to be like. His day there passes quietly. Birds in the trees, angels playing harps everything tranquil and very enjoyable.

The next day, he finds himself in hell. To his surprise, it was nothing like what he was told to expect. Why, it was one big party. Booze, women and song were the order of the day. He played golf with some of dearly departed friends. Food was plentiful and nobody bothered him.
After the day passed, he was back at the gates and god himself met him this time
“Have you made your decision?” he asked
“Yes. Heaven is great and all, but I think I prefer hell”

Without a word, he’s back in hell. It was completely different. All fire and brimstone, dirty, nice a woman to be seen, no golf courses. He stops one of the demons and asks what happened. Yesterday it was so nice.

The demon smiles and says:

Yesterday was campain day.

Garth, I hope you take the time to look behind the appearance of things. I don’t think I need to tell you that, but I just wanted to make sure I put my two cents in, just in case. Best of luck to you

#349 Scotian on 10.19.06 at 1:32 pm

While I have on occasion stopped by to read your blog Mr. Turner I have never commented before. I do not consider myself a regular follower of your blog nor your commentary regarding your former party. I do though know who you are and have been aware of you and your views on issues for around 15 years now and have seen you be remarkably consistent regarding those views. This earns respect from me and from what I have read here and elsewhere from many people that do not share your political views.

What we were treated to yesterday was a gross insult to the intelligence of all Canadians. The idea that you were booted with no involvement of the
PM prior to the Ontario caucus vote is simply not believable, a point I have addressed at my blog. I also found it noteworthy that while you are accused of violating cabinet secrecy the CPC did not point to one *specific* example of your having done so, which leaves one with the obvious impression that this is a dodge. What appears to be the real problem was your willingness to stay consistent to your views and to call your own side on it when they did not live up to those views and/or policies they claimed they supported in the election package.

Your expulsion has shown many Canadians just how intolerant of diversity the CPC leadership is as well as if one goes by the “official” story about your expulsion about how intolerant your former Ontario colleagues are, and since it is supposed to be the Alberta wing of the CPC which is so intolerant of differences as opposed to the Ontario wing I think the CPC has done significant damage to itself here.

Where you go from here is up to you. I would make one distinction clear though, you did not choose to be outside of the CPC, it chose it for you. Therefore you are free to join another party if you feel any other party would suit you and your beliefs better than the CPC and do so without being a hypocrite despite the arguments of some here to the contrary. I have no suggestions for you on which party to go to or even that you should, I simply point out that if you chose to do so your circumstances are not the same as someone that chooses to leave one party to go to another.

What your expulsion has also underscored is how little room there is for the PCPC wing of the conservative spectrum in Canada in the CPC. First Brison, then Stronach, and now you. Brison because he did not want to be the token gay man that could be used to rebuff claims of homophobia in the CPC.
Stronach after trying to make changes from within the party and being publicly humiliated and ignored by the Harper leadership. Now you for daring to be critical of decisions taken by the Harper government that you disagreed with and ran counter to your public statements history. Until the CPC can show prior examples of where you clearly breeched cabinet confidence their official explanation cannot and should not be treated as anything other than a cover story to obscure whatever was the true reasoning.

I wish you good luck, and I commend you for remembering your constituents are your first boss even before your party leader, something far too many MPs of all stripes tend to forget to the detriment of all. I still tend to disagree with you on some issues but I respect you for your consistency and your willingness to stand up for those beliefs, even if I think they are incorrect/wrong. I can respect those that have the courage of their convictions, and you have shown yourself to have the courage of yours, unlike so many of your former colleagues in the CPC under Harper.

#350 Al Farrington on 10.19.06 at 1:32 pm

Well Garth, you and I seldom stand on the same ground but in this instance, I have to agree with you. If there’s a topic you know a little bit about, it’s communications. You’ve been there, done that in the toughness of the marketplace, not the highly safe ‘comfort’ and ‘protection’ of the House of Commons which is anything but the real world from where Canadians live. And, as a politician, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to realize Harper and his ‘team’ are paranoid about communicating effectively with the ‘media messangers’ and their constituency, the Canadian voter in general.

Good on you! By distancing yourself from these political neophytes, you stand a far better chance of getting re-elected next time ’round, if that’s your choice. They have shot themselves in the foot AND put both feet in their mouths so often over the last two months, especially in Quebec where they have so much riding on their future hopes, it’s almost deja-vu all over again’, hello Joe Clark 1979′. It’s almost too embarasing for a Liberal of NDP supporter to stomach.

#302-15 Oxford Drive
Toronto, ON M6M 5C4

Policy differences are one thing but incompetence and political ineptness is quite another. If Harper can’t manage a caucus and government better than he has in the last 60 days or so, then how can we expect him to do any better with a majority government, where he has vitually ‘unlimited power’ for at least four years to do anything he wants? I don’t think so.

#351 Rob on 10.19.06 at 1:52 pm

Mr Turner. The last thing the Prime Minister needs is opposition from within. The minority government is shaky as it is and the therefore the last thing it needs is disagreement within its ranks. Do you actually believe that this Government is worst off than with the Liberals? I bet that many that are supporting you in this weblog voted Liberals last time. I think this whole thing is only helping the Thieves of the Liberal Party and their corrupt agenda.

#352 Bob Edwards on 10.19.06 at 2:23 pm

I agree Rob, just look at all the LIEberal letters of approval.
Do these scoundrels in that corrupt party actually believe they can govern as honestly as Mr Harper is.
For you Garth Turner to be attacking your own Conservatives. My God man open your eyes to what we experienced over the past dozen years, under the Gambino/LIEberals
Do you want another bout under the likes of Boob Rae, the wonder boy of the NDP government years in Ontario.

#353 lynne bateman on 10.19.06 at 2:47 pm

On a CBC Radio show, I heard you this morning express your particular interest in environmental issues. Please consider committing to green and becoming a member of the Green Party of Canada. We welcome you.
L.Bateman, Aurora/Newmarket Green Party

#354 Glen on 10.19.06 at 3:20 pm

I have always admired your gumption. Now just tell us what you really think about Stephen “The Bush” Harper’s agenda.

#355 Mikebike on 10.19.06 at 3:22 pm

Hey Garth;

I see you deleted my last comments to you. re. NDP, the Conservative Party, Israel, Tel Aviv brothels, a UN brother, hot lead, the Taliban, live diseboweling, etc.

Now that I see you really don’t have any guts or intellectual stamina to address tough issues, I’ll simply say that you are contributing to global warming with your excessive hot air. Stop the blog, go sell your real estate, buy your Tims and STFU like the rest of us.

Your old party has just made us the laughing stock of the free world whoreing to the oil companies, and put our population and planet at risk.

#356 Chelsea on 10.19.06 at 3:42 pm

Mr Turner,
When rhetoric contradicts itself; when Conservatives are elected on the basis of greater transparency and accountability, and fail at nearly every opportunity to execute, it is perhaps time to re-examine your electoral promises and take a stand to follow through. Do not apologize that you blog; it provides Canadians with a glimpse of their otherwise aloof politicians. Stockwell Day came to University of Ottawa to make a funding announcement and left as if he was untouchable; that he could show up, give a self-congratulatory speech, and leave, never mind answering questions on the Banff Springs meeting. Your blog was in fact, closer to fulfilling the promises of transparency and accountability than many of the conservative political moves thus far.

I’m not a conservative. I’m one of those middle-of-the-road voters. I am, however, in favour of enabling the Greens a seat at the televised debates, because their exclusion thus far has only made it harder to take environmentalism seriously. You are in a unique position, as you know, to help Canada in this way.

#357 Elizabeth Eakin on 10.19.06 at 3:58 pm


You flunked your spelling, Godlessness, attributes, ghetto builders, sleezy, carnivores, stealing.

#358 Tessa on 10.19.06 at 4:03 pm

I’d love to see you in Green, as it’s probably the only party colours you could wear without giving up your independence and your fire. It may even be encouraged. Good luck!

#359 Claudio on 10.19.06 at 4:16 pm


Thank you , thank you, thank you!!! I think canadians should realize who your employer is…The Canadians who voted you in not Mr. Harper. I know the PM has forgotten who has hired him (and will fire him soon enough). So let all Canadians get this straight, you blogging and informing your constituants of your daily meetings are scaring other conservatives from speaking there minds because you may include there comments on your web blog. POLITICIANS ARE IN GOVERNMENT TO SPEAK UP ON OUR BEHALF NOT SIT SILENTLY AND TOE THE PARTY LINE THAT MAY TAKE US DOWN THE PATH THAT WILL DISTROY THIS GREAT NATION. Just look to Mr. Harpers idol, G.w. Bush.

Keep speaking up for us, your real boss, the Canadian public.

#360 Ben Christie on 10.19.06 at 4:20 pm

Loved your comment about meeting your cockus in the shower from now on, most people missed that.
I have been saying for years that we need a loose “Idependent Party” to satisfy Canadian parliamentary law where members can be elected and then actually speak and vote as their people tell them too and not “Toe the Party Line” at the expense of the people just to stay in power and feed at the trough.
This is not as hairbrained of an idea when thought is put to it but I fear that only one and one half percent of the people think, three and one half percent think they think and ninety five percent would rather die than think.
Hope your able to continue.

#361 Bob Bowles on 10.19.06 at 4:21 pm

The old cliche that alludes to the Canadian Economy is “If America sneezes, Canada catches a cold”

The new cliche should be held for Dubyah’s administration that must have looked up facisim in the dictionary and said, “Hey, what a great idea, let’s see how it works” Welcome to Mr. Harpulini’s new verstion of Canada, I hope Stevie boy remembers how Mr. Mussolini died…please excuse any spelling errors, you don’t have spellcheck, Garth, anyhow, always liked you….like you even more…come over to the dark side, yes, The Liberals Party…

#362 Ben Christie on 10.19.06 at 4:22 pm

I believe your vote clik is an excellent start to listening to people.(if of course they use it)

#363 Jackie Chans Left Hand on 10.19.06 at 4:27 pm

No end to the neo-Nazi’s treachery with regards to Garth .
Not only do you eat your own, you drink bath water and wear tin foil hats .

#364 Bob Edwards on 10.19.06 at 4:44 pm

Oh God, if the tree huggers(Greens) want you, they can have you.

#365 Kyle Grice on 10.19.06 at 4:51 pm

There seems to be some discord in the weblob comments with respect to Garth Turner crossing the floor and putting his money where his mouth by having a by-election. Garth Turner is a free agent. His own caucus kicked him out. He need not cross the floor he is an independant.

The Green Party seems to be the best choice for Garth to do what he wants to do on Parlaiment Hill. This would give him the press coverage to help table important Halton issues like income splitting, which greens are for.

It seems others making comments on the blog feel Garth would do well as a green. I think so.

#366 Rick on 10.19.06 at 4:56 pm

I’m not in your riding nor have I followed your views in other situations but in this instance I am glad to see that there are some members of Harper’s Conservatives who have the conviction to not just shuttup and march in lockstep. Harper is taking the Bush approach to consolidating all power in himself so that he is answerable to nobody and his party seems to be mimicing the US Republicans with giving up their own responsibilities in favour of a “power at any cost” approach to democracy. It’s funny how Harper will bring in legislation supporting whistle-blowers but if someone is even alledged to blow the whistle on him they are blown out of parliament. Good for you Garth and keep up the good work. Why don’t you restart the real Progressive Conservative party again (instead of the Conservative Reform Alliance Party or CRAP, as I like to call it) and you may soon have many joiners especially from the eastern provinces.

#367 Peter on 10.19.06 at 5:36 pm

I have written to you before. You were and are wrong. It is okay to disagree with someone. But your Dalton Camp behavior was totally out of place.
I too have been a Conseritive all my life even though my dad was a CCFer.

Thanks, Peter

#368 Bob Edwards on 10.19.06 at 5:56 pm

You mean the Progressive Conservatives that we in the Alliance bailed out, with no seats and a yo yo Clark as leader. Gimme a break.
Typical Bush Bush Bush LIEberal Rant.

#369 gor on 10.19.06 at 6:42 pm

what happenned to dignified conversations,,what’s with all the name calling, i hope these name calling did not come from exclusively from members of the CPC.. and about the 40 beating 30.. i suppose it depends on how old are you..if i am 20 and is a member since day one , can it be a lifetime too ?

being able to say what is in your mind is suppose the founding theary behind democracy,,hang in there..

#370 John Deaks on 10.19.06 at 7:36 pm

The fabric and make-up of the HoC is ideally a cross section of society, but not really. There are “loonies” in society and you represent that cross section of society. Bye bye.

#371 Cory Martin on 10.19.06 at 8:12 pm

Hi Garth

Garth why don’t you come over to the Liberals? At least they won’t kick you out for speaking your mind. But hey take your time in making your decision.


#372 Norbert Desouza on 10.19.06 at 8:15 pm

Garth, I have followed your career for a long time.I never failed to read your articles in the Sun where you wrote on financial matters.Anyway I am proud of you for standing up for your rights.You have my full support.Hopefully the Canadian public will smarten up and realize what a valuable rep. you are.All the very best.

#373 Doniel Lorenz on 10.19.06 at 8:33 pm

Dear Garth,

There is an old saying “What Comes Around Goes Around” and I believe the Conservatives and Mr. Harper have sealed their fate in the next election. Good luck as a Indepentant.


#374 Derek on 10.19.06 at 8:53 pm

I am sick of this. You were not a team player and they drifted you out. Your massive sense of self worthiness trumped the very real fact you were elected as part of a team. The libs are a team, the ndp a team…and you were supposedly a member of the Conservative team…you want to make the big messiah thing …. dumb and dumber. Do what you gotta’ do but you are not keeping the cleanest government in a half century from achieving power next time at the polls. you are as bad as that Randy White. Dont hear a lot from him now do you ? That is party discipline and they just did you, as they had to. You’ll “encourage the others” by your death Garthy !!!

#375 getreal on 10.20.06 at 12:54 am

You keep on writing your rhetoric on your blogs about how you represent us. You don’t sir. You only represent those that share your views exclusively. For everyone else you only have bigoted remarks. I live in your ridding and you never represented my views and I am not in the minority, your intolerant and disrespectful words and thoughts are. I did not vote for your ego, your particular crusade for publicity, or the even the views of other people in our ridding. I say that because I voted based on a platform of the party I wanted to form the government. There are many in my ridding that don’t support that platform and hence they voted for another party! So your loyalties belong with the platform you were voted in on, and the views it represents. But instead you have made your own platform based on your ego and now you have left our voice out in the cold because your cynical, disloyal, and selfish actions have finally backfired.

I am relieved you were finally removed. Now sir will you follow the same standard you have demanded of others in regards of being true to their constituents and what they voted for? Will you resign your office and have the courage to run in a by-election under a party banner and platform that you will actually be true to in parliament? Or will you play the role of the false victim and crusader and stay in parliament without the legitimate mandate of your voters? I predict that pathetically you will keep your seat at all costs and with hypocritical ease become that which you criticize with all those empty and fanciful words. If you have any honor and decency sir please resign and give the voters the right to exercise their will who you claim to represent.

#376 shewholovesthetruth on 10.20.06 at 1:24 am

hi derek. you like discipline so much it seems. almost sounds perverted. hey, i perceive some anger. now where is that really coming from? control freaks are full of fear that they will lose control. and why is that? perhaps because they feel out of control on the inside. i know. i was one. but i took a long look at how unhappy i was, at how much i projected my anger at others. i had thoughts like, if only they’d do what i told them we’d all be better off, etc. i was so out of control on the inside. very angry and hurt over not having my basic needs met as a young child. my parents weren’t there for me (i felt). and so trusting others was difficult. had to control my environment so not to be hurt ever again. i had such a hole in my soul. i always felt very powerless at home. and so i often looked for attention and power on the outside. much like the little boys and girls running around in adult bodies looking for power in government. anyways, take good care of yourself. God Bless and know you are loved.

#377 Mike on 10.20.06 at 2:12 am


You’ve acted like an asshole from the moment you were elected. No sympathy here. The Ontario caucas did absolutely the right thing.

#378 Ontario Lad on 10.20.06 at 8:40 am

You know people coming on here posting their little rants about Garth for example this clown (Ontario Lad) who can’t even use his own name because he is to “pathetic” shall we say, are really quite that, Pathetic.

It is typical that a person who is uncomfortable with the fact that they cannot refute my posts would attack the fact that I am anonymous, as if that somehow makes all of what I said untrue.

So says RANDY “H”, the epitome of all that is NOT anonymous.

#379 Ontario Lad on 10.20.06 at 9:09 am

“If I were to establish a relationship with the Green Party, it would be a historic first. It is a very important decision for me to contemplate.” – Garth Turner, National Newswatch

A historic first, eh? Gee, Mr. Turner, YOUR ego is not involved here is it? Nawwww not at all………

#380 Elizabeth Eakin on 10.20.06 at 4:23 pm


I am impressed you are going to consult with your constituency. I am from the David Emerson riding and trust me we have not forgotten. It is refreshing to see transparency in a politician.I have checked the blog and there are no criticisms of Stephen Harper but certainly your views on the environment differed from the Conservative/Bush platform.
It is obvious you have been in the wrong party. What were the Conservatives/Reform/Alliance thinking?

Listen to your constituency and do what is right.

#381 Jackie Chans Left Hand on 10.22.06 at 4:36 pm

Let us not forget that Injustice minister Vicky Toews is a convicted felon.Election fraud.

#382 Jackie Chans Left Hand on 10.22.06 at 5:40 pm

Randy White retired from politics before the last election .
Might be why you don’t hear much from him these days .

#383 James Barley on 10.26.06 at 3:00 pm

I was just told another young lad was in the hospital ina coma and not expected to live because of a drug deal going bad.
It was money that put him in the hospital not drugs.
How many more deaths are we going to have in noth america over money and blame it on drugs.