“Shame”

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THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA–The following is a transcript of a portion of author Tom Zytaruk’s tape of a 2005 interview with Stephen Harper, then leader of the Opposition, for his biography of the late Chuck Cadman:

Zytaruk: “I mean, there was an insurance policy for a million dollars. Do you know anything about that?”

Harper: “I don’t know the details. I know that there were discussions, uh, this is not for publication?”

Read the full transcript of the Cadman biographer’s interview with Stephen Harper here.
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Members of Mr. Harper’s caucus yelled “Shame” at the top of their lungs during QP on Thursday, trying to drown out Stephane Dion’s questions regarding Chuck Cadman. They did not succeed. The prime minister then denied that the former Indie MP had been offered a bribe to rejoin the Conservative Party and defeat the Liberal government, on that fateful day of May 19, 2005.

At the time, Mr. Cadman was dying of cancer. His vote alone would determine whether the Martin government survived, or if the country would be plunged into an election.

Cadman’s widow, Dona, confirmed in an interview broadcast on CTV on Thursday afternoon what’s in a new book on her husband, and what Chuck had told her: Two operatives of the Conservative Party had offered him various things, including a $1 million life insurance policy. Mrs. Cadman, by the way, is a card-carrying federal Conservative. She is also the Conservative candidate in her riding of Surrey North. Therefore she appears to have no incentive whatsoever to lie.

Thursday night, Cadman’s adult daughter, Jodi, also appeared on national television to back up her mother’s story, and her father’s words to them – that he’d been offered an insurance policy to take care of them both after his death.

The Harper administration replied to question after question in the Commons on Thursday with one simple defence: Mr. Cadman gave an interview the night of the vote to CTV, in which, the Conservatives say, he denied being offered any deal.

“End of story,” says government spokesguy James Moore, himself a BC MP.

Not exactly true. For those who have since heard Mr. Cadman’s exact, and carefully chosen words, he says he “received no offers from any other party.” He was not asked about a financial incentive to vote with the Conservatives. He was not asked about a bribe or an insurance policy. His clip was shortened by Moore to just “received no offers.”

Furthermore, the author of the new Cadman biography interviewed Stephen Harper in Mr. Cadman’s driveway, an audio tape of which has also been broadcast. “Of the offer to Chuck,” he quotes Mr. Harper as saying, “it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election, OK. That’s my understanding of what they were talking about.”

So what did happen?

flanagan.jpg We know this: On that day, May 19th, Harper strategist and mentor Tom Flanagan called Conservative MP John Reynolds, who would be the national Conservative election chair, to arrange a meeting with Cadman prior to the critical vote. Reynolds then called Gary Lunn, also a BC member, who Harper would later take into his cabinet, to intervene. Lunn did so, and set up the meeting with Cadman for 3 pm.

Flanagan took Doug Finley with him. Finley is now Harper’s Director of Political Operations, and his wife, Diane, was taken into cabinet by Mr. Harper after he became prime minister. Flanagan and Finley met with Cadman, who was in the final stages of skin cancer and very fatigued.

doug-finley-hs.jpg Finley says the two of them made a “last desperate try” to convince Cadman to rejoin the party and vote against the Liberals. Two years later, in his own book, Flanagan admitted to the rashness of this meeting, saying, “It’s an excellent example of how the passion of politics lead to decisions that later make you scratch your head.”

Thus, we have Mr. Harper admitting he knew in advance that this meeting would take place. He told a journalist that the meeting was about “financial considerations” for Mr. Cadman. The widow of Chuck Cadman, herself a Conservative candidate, has told an author and a broadcaster the same thing – her husband confided he was offered a $1 million policy to sign on with Finley and Flanagan. This was confirmed by her daughter. And, finally, Mr. Flanagan himself says the meeting was “desperate” on his party’s part and an “excellent example” of behaviour which is later deemed questionable.

Even if the insurance policy aspect cannot be proven, the prime minister admits his party representatives discussed “financial considerations” with a member of Parliament in an attempt to secure his vote. That is unethical and amoral. Soon the RCMP will determine if it might also be illegal.

As I said here last night when news of this shocking allegation became public: This is consistent with what I have seen Mr. Harper do, with what he said of Mr. Cadman within the Conservative caucus, and the way he micromanages even the smallest strategic actions within his political party. It speaks not only to his character and his motives, but to his fundamental moral compass.

Based on what we know, let alone what we fear, it is broken.

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Below is a transcript of the CTV interview with Chuck Cadman, the night of the vote in May, 2005. These words were used repeatedly by the Harper government to ‘prove’ nothing had been offered to the MP in exchange for his vote. Come to your own conclusions. — Garth

Duffy: “Craig Oliver reported… that the Conservatives offered you an unopposed nomination if you would vote with them, and also help with campaign financing and so on. Was that offer actually made?”

Cadman: “Well, there was some talk about that. As far as an unopposed nomination, you know, the discussion did come up, the talk did come up, yeah.”

Duffy: “So they were making and offer to you and in the end you refused.”

Cadman: “Yeah, well, you know, that was the only offer on anything I had from anybody, you know, there was no offers on the table up to that point about anything from any, uh, from any party.”

335 comments ↓

#1 Kanata Al on 02.28.08 at 9:02 pm

What kind of people would try to corrupt a dying man for partisan gain? Are there no Chuck Cadmans today in the Liberal caucus who put principles ahead of party? This government must be defeated as soon as possible. Harper’s Conservatives are a cancer on the body politic. Propping them up is morally indefensible.

#2 CAL on 02.28.08 at 9:10 pm

Perhaps I missed this on your previous post, Garth. I heard on the news that the author of Mr. Cadman’s biography said that two Conservatives met with Mr. Cadman on the 17th of May, two days before the now-famous vote that saved the Liberal government of Paul Martin. Then all I’ve heard about today is this meeting involving Tom Flanagan, Doug Findlay and Chuck Cadman on the 19th of May, the day of the vote. Could there have actually been 2 different meetings with 4 Conservatives offering inducement to Mr. Cadman? Am I missing something here? That way Messrs. Findlay and Flanagan could say that they never offered Mr. Cadman a $1 million insurance policy as an inducement……with a straight face, because it was the other 2 guys. Someone help me out here!

#3 Robert Gibbs on 02.28.08 at 9:11 pm

Harper and his CON minions are as guilty “as the day is long.”

I know it.
Garth knows it.
Liberals know it.
Other thinking, logical & sound-minded people know it.

Only CON cronies will deny, deny, deny it.
Mulroney taught them that tactic.

#4 Bob R. on 02.28.08 at 9:12 pm

You losers(and that’s a nice way of saying it)are absolutely sickening.The man himself said he was offered nothing,Harper is on tape saying nothing was offered,and no one can prove otherwise.Both Cadman and Harper have spoken.Go find a real story to run with…howabout how the liberals take paycheck after paycheck,but then do nothing in parliament,except agree with all things conservative.What a bunch of losers you lieberals are.You make me ashamed to be Canadian.

#5 Smokingjoe on 02.28.08 at 9:12 pm

News Flash..

Sound of shredders resonating in CONservative offices, while some MP’s are cooking up their stories in a kitchen in an unnamed location on Sussex Dr. in Ottawa….unconfirmed reports of PM mentioning freak weather conditions something about a fan and excrement..more to follow after our AFLAC commercial….

#6 Liz on 02.28.08 at 9:12 pm

Posted this on the earlier thread before realizing a new one had started:

Just heard the tape of Opposition Leader Harper: his goose is cooked.

There is still the question of the dates May 17 and May 19. Could there have been two Conservative forays to MP Cadman’s office?

MP Cadman’s daughter has also backed up her mother’s recounting of events as told to her by her father, MP Cadman.

Stick a fork in Harper, he’s done. Unless he throws Flanagan and Finley under the bus as well as those other two MP Cadman threw out of his office on the 17th.

#7 Catherine-also on 02.28.08 at 9:13 pm

This is posted elsewhere:

From Mike Duffy Live, CTV Newsnet, February 28:

Mike Duffy: “Can I share something with you, which I haven’t shared publicly until now? … And that is in private conversations with me, Chuck Cadman told me, that there was no way he was going to vote against the Martin government, because he was concerned of the potential impact it might have on the insurance settlement for his wife Dona. In other words: if he died while a sitting MP, Chuck told me, ‘that would double or virtually double the payout to his widow’ and he didn’t ‘dare take a risk forcing an election’, even if he was confident of being elected, for fear of some legal hassle involving an insurance payout …”
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I haven’t seen the original? Is this accurate? If so, I see the spin here. The Conservatives were only trying to remove a financial incentive to vote with the Liberals. However, with Harper vehemently denying they did any such thing, then what would be the point of Duffy’s statement? Anyway, I would think offering a million dollars under the table to compensate for benefits changes to secure a particular vote would still be illegal.

#8 WDM on 02.28.08 at 9:19 pm

Why did Donna Cadman and her daughter confirm the story, and why is Ms. Cadman now running for the CPC and confirming the story again today????

#9 Liz on 02.28.08 at 9:22 pm

Another thing, everyone knew MP Cadman was dying, so why would the Harper Conservatives offer to fund his election?

Good thing the Harper-appointed RCMP Head will investigate this criminal activity…

#10 Liz on 02.28.08 at 9:26 pm

Watching QP today I am seeing Diane Finley and Gary Lunn wearing a rictus grin. Looks good on them!

Awwww, was that an attack? Suck it up Sunshine, things are bound to get worse before they get better :)

#11 John G on 02.28.08 at 9:28 pm

Garth you know what they say about Karma. Be careful my friend…..
BTW, how’s your health….you don’t look well these days…

Is this a threat? — Garth

#12 Robert Gibbs on 02.28.08 at 9:32 pm

Coming to a theatre near you:

Deceivin’ Stephen & Lyin’ Brian: Partners In Crime

Including an all-star cast of every CON crook-player since 1984.

#13 Emilie on 02.28.08 at 9:34 pm

By Bob R. on 02.28.08 9:12 pm

So according to you it is only Mrs Cadman who is lying?

#14 Trevor on 02.28.08 at 9:41 pm

garth said:
“Not exactly true. For those who have since heard Mr. Cadman’s exact, and carefully chosen words, he says he “received no offers from any other party.” He was not asked about a financial incentive to vote with the Conservatives. He was not asked about a bribe or an insurance policy.”

C’mon Garth, the clip is out there for anybody to see. You start off this blog post with a false quote and base your further arguments on that quote. After being asked if the Tory’s offered him an uncontested nomination he replied that those talks had taken place. He then said:

Quote “That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody. There was no offers on the table up to that point about anything from any party.” unquote.

“Anything from anybody”, “anything from any party”, your quote is bogus. Why would anyone ask if he received an offer of a financial incentive or an insurance policy when he clearly said “There was no offers on the table up to that point about anything from any party.”

The only evidence so far is a quote in a book written by someone who is quoting Mrs. Cadman who says she was quoting her late husband. Are you saying that carries more weight than the actual recorded word of the man himself? are you calling Chuck Cadman a liar?

And what insurance company takes on a policy on someone who the whole country knows is going to die in the very near future from terminal cancer?

Noone denies that the meeting took place, I don’t think the Liberals are denying that they also met with Cadman to try to sway his vote. As far as financial considerations go if he joined the Conservative party he would of course be able to fundraise under their banner and would benefit from national fundraising and advertising, there is nothing wrong with that.

There is an obvious motive here, these allegations guarantee that this book is now an instant best seller. Until someone has a shred of actual evidence I call BS on this whole tasteless affair.

#15 got rope? on 02.28.08 at 9:44 pm

Besides the legal aspects is a bribed vote any less or more of a betrayal to constituents as a whipped vote?

I notice the federal minister of finance telling Ontario to follow BC in reducing taxes to attract investment such as Asian banks. When did the federal responsibility of attracting international investors get downloaded on the provinces?

What`s going on?

#16 C. B. Innes on 02.28.08 at 9:49 pm

Catherine-also on 02.28.08 9:13 pm,

It seemed to me when Duffy made that statement he was trying to undermine Cadman making it seem that he voted for the budget to ensure the insurance money for his wife and daughter.

Duffy says that this was the first time he admitted Cadman’s concerns to the public. Did Cadman tell someone else about his concerns? Or did Duffy tell some of his cronies in the Conservative Party? Is it possible the Duffy is part of the story?

#17 Brent Fullard on 02.28.08 at 9:53 pm

How’s this for a broken moral compass:

http://caiti-online-media.blogspot.com/2007/04/to-finance-minister-flaherty-your-tax.html

#18 Liz on 02.28.08 at 9:57 pm

By Robert Gibbs on 02.28.08 9:32 pm

Wonder if Verner will allow government funding for this movie? Wouldn’t such a movie fly in the face of public policy? ;)

#19 Doug on 02.28.08 at 9:58 pm

The only evidence so far is a quote in a book written by someone who is quoting Mrs. Cadman who says she was quoting her late husband. Are you saying that carries more weight than the actual recorded word of the man himself? are you calling Chuck Cadman a liar?By Trevor on 02.28.08 9:41 pm

You must be calling his widow and his daughter a liar by your infrence.
I can easily understand why Mr. Cadman would not tell the world that he had been bribed. He was a very sick man and did not need the confusion that would go with a revelation of bribery.
In that reguard, Chuck Cadman was an honorable individual that would not reveal such a sordid situation.

#20 Herb on 02.28.08 at 10:02 pm

On the one hand we have the word of Mrs. Cadman and her daughter, as well as PMSH mumbling evasively on tape. On the other we have Catherine, Harry S. and Leasa assuring us that nothing happened.

My verdict: end the federal freak show, get our Canada back, ÉCRASEZ L’INFÂMIE!

#21 Bob R. on 02.28.08 at 10:06 pm

Maybe the lieberals could get Mark Holland to dig up Mr.Cadman’s body so they could have him as another star witness at one of their “committees” that find out nothing.They seem to stoop at nothing to get headlines that deflect the fact that they have done nothing but sit on their asses for two years,and after next week,it will carry on into three years.Pathetic.

#22 Robert Gibbs on 02.28.08 at 10:07 pm

Mr. Cadman chose his words carefully alright.

Another key phrase: “…up to that point…”

So he likely was referring to: up to, but not including the point at which the CON operatives offered him the financial bribe.

Stephen Harper is a crook, plain and simple.

Lock him up, and Flaherty and Lunn and… too!

#23 tricia on 02.28.08 at 10:09 pm

Am I missing something here? Two members of the Conservative Party visit Mr. Cadman and offer him an unopposed nomination and help buying signs etc. in the future election if he votes to bring down the Liberal government. Wasn’t it widely known at the time that Mr. Cadman was suffering from a fatal illness? Could they guarantee that he would even have the strength to fight an election, let alone live long enough to win? Why would they make an offer like that?

#24 Molly on 02.28.08 at 10:10 pm

By Catherine-also on 02.28.08 9:13 pm

His wife and daughter would get an excellent payout if he propped up Martin. He didn’t dare risk forcing an election, cuz the payout doubled if he died while sitting MP. So he is feeling quite secure for his family knowing he is going to die very soon.

The Cons knew this of course, so they slap together a New insurance policy worth much much more, as a New incentive for Cadman to vote Against Martin. And the Cons get what they want, an election. Didn’t work out that way of curse because Cadman had morals and said No, the legal and honest policy we have now is just fine, thank you very much.

For those naieve enough to think no insurance company is going to write up a new policy for Cadman whilst he is dying from skin cancer, well then you don’t know that many of the previous Harris Ontario politicians (good friends with present fed Cons) actually sit on boards, Chair and have huge financial interests in INSURANCE COMPANIES right now.

So yeah get the RCMP involved immediately.

#25 Brian Dondo on 02.28.08 at 10:12 pm

I just read the transcript over at the ToeStar. A good lawyer would shred him if he tried to pass it off as election financing.

What makes sense to me is it was a short term policy to hold him over until he got re-elected.

#26 ted on 02.28.08 at 10:19 pm

It all boils down to “financial considerations” That could mean anything.
Help in a campaign, ie. donating to his campaign . The guy was an independent.
I think this story will die a quick death.

#27 Brian Dondo on 02.28.08 at 10:26 pm

…That could mean anything.

By ted on 02.28.08 10:19 pm

no it couldn’t

read the transcript. Harper’s crowd had been courting Cadman for weeks.

there was something special about that visit. its an ambitious prosecution lawyer’s dream.

#28 Bonnie L on 02.28.08 at 10:29 pm

You must be calling his widow and his daughter a liar by your infrence.
I can easily understand why Mr. Cadman would not tell the world that he had been bribed. He was a very sick man and did not need the confusion that would go with a revelation of bribery.
In that reguard, Chuck Cadman was an honorable individual that would not reveal such a sordid situation.

By Doug on 02.28.08 9:58 pm

Thank you Doug. I was just getting ready to write something like what you have put into words. Yours are much better than what I would have done.

#29 Dube on 02.28.08 at 10:29 pm

Transcript of 2005 Harper Interview re Cadman:

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/307996

The Chuck Cadman insurance story comes as no surprise from the party that flies under the banner of “This Government is Clean”. While members of the past Liberal government were guilty of stealing money through Adscam, the Conservatives are doing something worse in my books: subverting democracy. Examine some of the history that illustrates that, and some general uncleanliness:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wcadman0228/BNStory/National/home
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/28/szabo-cadman.html

♦ – In 2006, Alan Riddell is offered $50000 to cover his accumulated election costs if he will bow out of the race for the Ottawa South riding in favour of supposed star candidate Allan Cutler. The Conservatives subsequently renege on the promised payment. In November 2007, the court case ended quietly recently when Prime Minister Stephen Harper agreed to settle the associated libel suit.

http://www.lawtimesnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3532

♦ – In 2007, Conservative MP Dick Harris for Cariboo-Prince George names Houston Mayor and Conservative candidate Sharon Smith as the go-to person for government issues in the riding of Skeena-Bulkley Valley, stating “I and other BC Conservative MPs will work closely with Sharon Smith as she represents constituents of her riding to the government members.” Problem is, the constituents of that riding already have an elected representative in the House, NDP MP Nathan Cullen. As far as Harris is concerned, democratically elected or not, “Having an MP from the fourth party in the House just doesn’t cut it when it comes to actually getting things done for the folks in Skeena-Bulkley Valley”.

http://www.terracedaily.ca/cgi-bin/show_sitemap_article.cgi?ID=954

♦ – In 2006, Elections Canada discovers that the Conservative Party has engaged in an “in-out-scheme” whereby it exceeded its legal campaign spending limit by $1.2 million in radio and TV advertising money by transferring funds to local Tory candidates, then immediately flipping the money back.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=a6bf56be-a6b9-4a43-9dae-b54f813f502a&k=91531
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/members/login.php?fail=2&destination=/pdf/index.php

♦ – In 2005, Gurmant Grewel produces doctored tapes he secretly recorded during a questionable exercise of entrapment as evidence of Liberal wrongdoing.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1118067029750_65/?hub=TopStories

♦ – In a clear case of gerrymandering, the Conservatives introduce Bill C-22 that will diminish a fundamental cornerstone of democracy for residents of Ontario, the value of their vote. The bill concurrently strengthens per capita voting pwer for residents in the Conservative heartland of Alberta and BC. Ontario residents do not ask for exceptional treatment, merely a level playing field. The bill demonstrates to an open willingness to stack the decks in favour of the Conserrvatives rather than win over electorate fair-and-square by the attractiveness of a party and its policies.

http://www.fairness.ca/english/hofc/faqs.asp#4

♦ – Calgarian and provincial Conservative counterpart Craig Chandler states: “To those of you who have come to our great land from out of province, you need to remember that you came here to our home and we vote conservative. You came here to enjoy our economy, our natural beauty and more. This is our home and if you wish to live here, you must adapt to our rules and our voting patterns, or leave. Conservatism is our culture. Do not destroy what we have created.”

http://daveberta.blogspot.com/2007/08/if-you-move-to-alberta-adapt-or-leave.html

♦ – John Baird interferes in the Municipal politics of the City of Ottawa by withholding $200M in funds for an already-approved LRT project during the midst of an election campaign. The candidates include Mayor Bob Chiarelli, former Liberal MPP and adversary of Baird’s when he served in provincial politics, and Larry O’Brien, a figure within conservative circles. Mr. Baird, the Conservative MP for Ottawa West-Nepean and the regional minister for Ottawa, stepped into the rail issue during the 2006 municipal election – a move described by the city’s top bureaucrat as “unexpected” and “unusual.” At the time, he was Treasury Board president.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=3dfbbcb7-a255-47d7-b52a-7fc0b20fcb53&k=96049

♦ – A myriad of non-competition sole-source contracts are awarded, mostly in military procurements to companies with a relationship to former Defence Minister Gordon O’Connor. The most recent such contract was by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to former Harris speech writer in the amount of $122000 for a budget speech. Clocking in at $22+ word, Flaherty describes the speech as “good value for money”.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080204.wflaherty0204/BNStory/National/home

♦ – The Conservative Party collects personal information beyond the norm for its voter database, overstepping the bounds of personal privacy. It is wrong and unethical to expand the content to potentially include such information as birthdates, ethnicity, religious affiliation, marital status, health, sexual orientation, and so on, the kind of things that for example potential employers are not permitted to ask about during job interviews.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071018/tory_privacy_071018/20071018?hub=Politics

♦ – The Conservative Party publishes a website to coach supporters on which call-in shows to contact and what to say, to deliver the message in a decidedly shade of blue.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/267194

♦ – The Conservative government, uncomfortable being subjected to public scrutiny by the media, plans to open its own media centre whereby it can offer prepackaged infomercials of its own design.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/266854

♦ – In January 2008, former president of the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission, after having exposed the incompetence of MP Gary Lunn, is fired for essentially doing her job. The firing is one of several, whereby a high ranking member of the civil service dared to contradict the Harper government and/or reveal its shortcomings.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=69786fb3-3dc6-4210-b992-dba4e1ae28e6&k=54411

♦ – In January 2007, Harper’s best friend, geologist John Weissenberger, is hired as Chief of Staff for Citizenship and Immigration. Harper played matchmaker, introducing Weisseneberger to his future wife, was Master of Ceremonies at their wedding, and the families vacation together. A fine example of nepotism.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=bb2bd69b-da49-470a-b907-c7256cd51c80&k=28844
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=/2007/january/29/finley/&c=1

♦ – In 2007 it is discovered that PM Harper has been using the “company jet” for personal use, treating family and friends to first class transport whilst shuttling them to various sporting events.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/02/28/jet-harper.html
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=40cba6a5-f035-47c6-a1df-758a5f8c6275&k=55219

The tendency for secrecy and control within the Conservative Party, thereby making it difficult to get a good look at its underbelly, and the above sampling of flaunting democracy and the clean moniker, makes one wonder if in this party one should be labelled an MM (Made Man) rather MP, and should designate its head as Boss rather than Leader.

#30 Robert Gibbs on 02.28.08 at 10:35 pm

Transcript of author’s tape of Harper

Feb 28, 2008 08:47 PM
THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA–The following is a transcript of a portion of author Tom Zytaruk’s tape of a 2005 interview with Stephen Harper, then leader of the Opposition, for his biography of the late Chuck Cadman:

Zytaruk: “I mean, there was an insurance policy for a million dollars. Do you know anything about that?”

Harper: “I don’t know the details. I know that there were discussions, uh, this is not for publication?”

Zytaruk: “This (inaudible) for the book. Not for the newspaper. This is for the book.”

Harper: “Um, I don’t know the details. I can tell you that I had told the individuals, I mean, they wanted to do it. But I told them they were wasting their time. I said Chuck had made up his mind, he was going to vote with the Liberals and I knew why and I respected the decision. But they were just, they were convinced there was, there were financial issues. There may or may not have been, but I said that’s not, you know, I mean, I, that’s not going to change.”

Zytaruk: “You said (inaudible) beforehand and stuff? It wasn’t even a party guy, or maybe some friends, if it was people actually in the party?”

Harper: “No, no, they were legitimately representing the party. I said don’t press him. I mean, you have this theory that it’s, you know, financial insecurity and, you know, just, you know, if that’s what you’re saying, make that case but don’t press it. I don’t think, my view was, my view had been for two or three weeks preceding it, was that Chuck was not going to force an election. I just, we had all kinds of our guys were calling him, and trying to persuade him, I mean, but I just had concluded that’s where he stood and respected that.”

Zytaruk: “Thank you for that. And when (inaudible).”

Harper: “But the, uh, the offer to Chuck was that it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election.”

Zytaruk: “Oh, OK.”

Harper: “OK? That’s my understanding of what they were talking about.”

Zytaruk: “But, the thing is, though, you made it clear you weren’t big on the idea in the first place?”

Harper: “Well, I just thought Chuck had made up his mind, in my own view …”

Zytaruk: “Oh, okay. So, it’s not like, he’s like, (inaudible).”

Harper: “I talked to Chuck myself. I talked to (inaudible). You know, I talked to him, oh, two or three weeks before that, and then several weeks before that. I mean, you know, I kind of had a sense of where he was going.”

Zytaruk: “Well, thank you very much.”

#31 Molly on 02.28.08 at 10:36 pm

This story is a centipede.

#32 Trevor on 02.28.08 at 10:37 pm

You must be calling his widow and his daughter a liar by your infrence.
I can easily understand why Mr. Cadman would not tell the world that he had been bribed. He was a very sick man and did not need the confusion that would go with a revelation of bribery.
In that reguard, Chuck Cadman was an honorable individual that would not reveal such a sordid situation.

By Doug on 02.28.08 9:58 pm

And you are obviously calling Chuck Cadman a liar by your inference. He may have been sick but to say he was confused is a load of crap. If he was so outraged by a bribe from the Cons then why wouldn’t he say anything? What on earth would he have to gain by covering it up?

That last point is totally ridiculous “Chuck Cadman was an honorable individual that would not reveal such a sordid situation”. How would not revealing a bribe make him more honorable?

I agree that he was an honorable man and I believee his own spoken word more than a quote from a book that quotes his wife who quotes what he said to her a couple of years ago.

#33 Herb on 02.28.08 at 10:37 pm

Brian Dondo,

thanks for the reference to the transcript in the Toronto Star. The killer is Harper’s

“make that case but don’t press it.”

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/307996

#34 Brent Fullard on 02.28.08 at 10:38 pm

Whose version of events would you believe? The dead man or the politically dead man walking?

I vote for the latter:

http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/02/whose-version-of-events-would-you.html

#35 Robert Gibbs on 02.28.08 at 10:42 pm

“Wouldn’t such a movie fly in the face of public policy?”

By Liz on 02.28.08 9:57 pm

Quite right!

#36 Nelsin on 02.28.08 at 10:56 pm

The stormtroopers are out!!! Trevor and Ted, please go away, Many new posters on this story…Funny stuff….Well I’m not surprised about this one, and I hav to say that this is the first time I haven’t seen Leasa or Harry S try to spin….I guess this issue is too criminal for even them….

#37 Nelsin on 02.28.08 at 10:57 pm

Oh, and Ted: Bribery is bribery, so financial incentives for a vote, no matter what kind, are ILLEGAL…..

#38 Smokingjoe on 02.28.08 at 10:59 pm

After Mr. Cadman’s death, Mr. Zytaruk heard that Mr. Harper, who was then leader of the opposition, was paying a personal visit to the Cadman residence. Mr. Zytaruk interviewed Mr. Harper in the driveway.

“Of the offer to Chuck,” he quotes Mr. Harper as saying, “it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election, OK. That’s my understanding of what they were talking about.

“I don’t know the details,” he said. “I can tell you that I had told the individuals – I mean, they wanted to do it – but I told them they were wasting their time. I said Chuck had made up his mind he was going to vote with the Liberals. I knew why, and I respected the decision, but they were just, they were convinced there was, there was financial issues and, there may or may not.

“They were legitimately representing the party,” Mr. Harper confirmed. “I said ‘Don’t press him, I mean, you have this theory that it’s, you know, financial insecurity, and you know, just, you know, if that’s what you say make the case,’ but I said ‘Don’t press it.’ ”

REAL TRANSLATION as Stevie is walking away from Zytaruk:

OH shit, there’s Zytaruk… watch what you Stevie, don’t say you knew about the guys paying Chuck a visit….DUHHH, I think I just told him..tell him they were representing the party, not me… crap I’m the leader…don’t mention the million dollar policy…OK, he might trick me….call it a financial consideration…Go ahead Stevie say it before you forget…That’s it…OK say something nice…Oh I told them not to press him…shit better find a better word than that…I told them not to press IT…where’s my car…I parked it around here…can’t think and walk at the same time…What was I looking for again….Boy I hope Manning doesn’t hear about this….

#39 Ed Brooks on 02.28.08 at 11:22 pm

“Shame” is a good heading for this post.

It is indeed a shame that Mr. Cadman’s good reputation is being impugned, maligned, and exploited for tawdry political gain.

Politics is a game of ‘gotcha’. Be it Conservative, Liberal, or any other party, the desire to exploit any event that may provide partisan gain in the unending war for public support is job one. This sort of thing happens all the time. Unfortunately, this attitude is shortsighted; it is one of the main reasons that politicians are held in such low regard.

The ‘Cadman Affair’ is now just the latest example of how dirty the world of politics is.

In terms of the accuracy of what is being reported, for the life of me, I can not see a motive for Mr. Cadman to lie to his wife about what ever was offered to him. What would the point have been? Neither can I see a motive for Mrs. Cadman to lie about what Mr. Cadman said. She certainly has very little to gain, and very much to lose (as we have seen by the attacks on her and Mr. Cadman’s reputations).

It does not surprise me that the Conservatives met with Mr. Cadman. It does not surprise me that they would try to convince him to side with them in a critical vote. It does not surprise me that they were prepared to offer inducements. It would be terribly naïve if anyone here believed that the two gentlemen went in to the meeting empty handed.

In terms of the million dollar insurance policy, I really don’t know what to make of it. I suppose they could have been trying to con him with no intent to deliver after the fact. They may have ‘cooked’ something up to make it work. These people have their hands on the levers of power, and there are ways of making things ‘work’. I don’t suppose we will ever really know.

Anyway, we have just witnessed another miserable ‘gotcha’ moment in our political soap opera, and it really is just business as usual.

It saddens me, and I offer my apologies to the memory of Mr. Cadman and to his wife.

I wish that politics was a noble and honourable vocation, but I am afraid it is not…

#40 w.p. on 02.28.08 at 11:23 pm

why does it not surprise me that Gary Lunn is involved in this!

#41 CAL on 02.28.08 at 11:32 pm

Stick a fork in Harper, he’s done. Unless he throws Flanagan and Finley under the bus as well as those other two MP Cadman threw out of his office on the 17th.
By Liz on 02.28.08 9:12 pm

Here’s a twist. When Mr. Cadman threw those two Cons out of his office and then spoke with his wife about their proposed inducement, was he in Surrey on the 17th of May? And you mentioned in your column, Garth, that Tom Flanagan and Doug Finley spoke with Mr. Cadman just before the vote on the 19th of May. Mr. Cadman must have been in Ottawa on the 19th of May. It was also said that the meeting on the 19th of May was a “last ditch effort” to persuade Mr. Cadman. That would indicate, at least to me, that there had been an earlier meeting……the 17th, perhaps?

#42 No rubber left on Old Tory Tire on 02.28.08 at 11:34 pm

bribe, noun, “money or any other valuable consideration given or promised with a view to corrupting the behavior of a person, esp. in that person’s performance as an athlete, public official, etc.: The motorist offered the arresting officer a bribe to let him go.” Random House Unabridged Dictionary.

From Wikipedia: “Bribery, which is synonymous with corruption, is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behavior of the person in ways not consistent with the duties of that person. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black’s Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in discharge of a public or legal duty. The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the receiver’s conduct. It may be any money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or any promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery

#43 Charles Oxley on 02.28.08 at 11:35 pm

. . . Therefore she appears to have no incentive whatsoever to lie.

Unlike harpo and his crooks, who deceive, manipulate and slant half-truths and make themselves to be above the law.

No one is above any law — the higher one goes, the harder he falls!

Doncha ‘jes luv the mess CRAP has managed to unleash upon themselves, through sheer arrogance and incompetence? They are their own worst enemies now.

GET RID OF THESE BLOODY LIARS!
———————————————————————————-
I notice the federal minister of finance telling Ontario to follow BC in reducing taxes to attract investment such as Asian banks. When did the federal responsibility of attracting international investors get downloaded on the provinces?

What`s going on?

By got rope? on 02.28.08 9:44 pm

It’s interesting that flaherty TELLS Ontario to follow BC’s way and reduce taxes, yet he managed to screw IT investors and then said “live with it”.

Pot = Kettle = Black. Could be that the feds. are close to broke now — spent all that surplus, didn’t bother putting away or saving for a rainy day, then start telling provinces “You’re on your own, now”.

A few years in office and they can’t cope with basic fiscal common sense. Is it any wonder voters are so disillusioned with the entire electoral process?

CRAP’s failed and deceitful policies, lies, etc. are moving the average Cdn. toward the poorhouse.

Wonder how dim jim, harpo, et al would enjoy spending a few nights at a homeless shelter? There is nothing like having first-hand experience, that’s for sure.

#44 Pat. G. on 02.28.08 at 11:44 pm

Wasn’t it Mr. Finley who tried to tell people in one riding in B.C. that anyone who wanted to connect with the government should do it through a unelected CPC representative and bi-pass the NDP incumbent in the riding? Who can fill me in on this story? My memory is a little hazy no ’cause it happened months ago.

#45 Andrea Timmons on 02.28.08 at 11:56 pm

So Harper’s stuck with a ‘can of worms’ & is fishing around for someone to ‘scapegoat’ & save him from his own mistakes. Funny thing is he’s just making more & more of them & still not learning anything from any of them.
He’s so ‘power greedy’ that he is destroying the country of Canada which he often asked God to bless.
Canadians know him now. His promises are fairy tales & Canada is not the ‘Camelot’ he wishes it was.
He can’t keep dismissing ‘the facts’ yet he is still desperately trying to do so.

#46 brain on 02.29.08 at 12:21 am

Harper’s on tape.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/28/szabo-cadman.html

#47 MB on 02.29.08 at 12:30 am

“And what insurance company takes on a policy on someone who the whole country knows is going to die in the very near future from terminal cancer?”

By Trevor on 02.28.08 9:41 pm

Dear Trevor,

Not only are you calling Dona Cadman and her daughter liars, you are also calling Stephen Harper a liar!

OTTAWA–The following is a transcript of a portion of author Tom Zytaruk’s tape of a 2005 interview with Stephen Harper, then leader of the Opposition, for his biography of the late Chuck Cadman:

Zytaruk: “I mean, there was an insurance policy for a million dollars. Do you know anything about that?”

Harper: “I don’t know the details. I know that there were discussions, uh, this is not for publication?”

Okay Trevor, after all the other LIES… Transparency, Accountability, Kelowna Accord, Atlantic Accord, Income Trusts, Clean Government… there really is NO SURPRISE that STEPHEN HARPER IS A LIAR!

Sincerely,
MB

#48 Andrea Timmons on 02.29.08 at 12:36 am

The Cons did it, they said they did, now they’re trying to reconstruct what was actually said & done.
The fact remains, Stephen Harper brought home a can of worms from his own fishing expeditions, & now he’s going to have to ‘fish or cut bait’, & eat his own witty words. Bon apetit M. Harper.

#49 Charles Oxley on 02.29.08 at 12:40 am

Be honest, now! Would you REALLY buy a used car from someone who said Iraq had WMD?

I thought not.

http://tinyurl.com/2effm3

#50 Irene on 02.29.08 at 12:59 am

You losers(and that’s a nice way of saying it)are absolutely sickening.The man himself said he was offered nothing,Harper is on tape saying nothing was offered,and no one can prove otherwise.Both Cadman and Harper have spoken.Go find a real story to run with…howabout how the liberals take paycheck after paycheck,but then do nothing in parliament,except agree with all things conservative.What a bunch of losers you lieberals are.You make me ashamed to be Canadian.

By Bob R. on 02.28.08 9:12 pm

Rob, Try & stick with the facts okay?Mr. Cadmans words were that he received “no other offers from any other party” That means NO OTHER PARTY than the CONs. And btw Rob,you make us ashamed to know that even dare call yourself a Canadian. Take a hike why don’t you.

Sheesh.

#51 Markus D. on 02.29.08 at 1:12 am

How hadn’t anyone come up with Cadscam yet?

Maybe someone did but I didn’t see it, and I think it is just perfect.

Unless something better is proposed then that’s what I’m rolling with.

h/t Nastyboy

#52 SUE on 02.29.08 at 1:14 am

I think it was Odd that just before QP on Thurs CTV just happens to haul Out this clip and then in QP the CONs Use the same Duffy/Cadman clip in answering every bloody question about Cadman. Duffy was the first to “report’ of the CBC submitting Questions to the liberals HA!! Duffy supplies the CONS with the ANSWERS.

#53 Frank Frink on 02.29.08 at 2:04 am

CAL on 02.28.08 9:10 pm

Liz on 02.28.08 9:12 pm

I suspect the confirmation of F & F meeting Cadman is a red herring thrown out by the Cons to create diversion and confusion.

The May 17th ‘approach’? My guess would be that those two ‘operatives’ would be fellow British Columbians. Almost certain of the ‘lead operative’. The ‘second operative’ woudl be one of two people.

Just connect a few dots about who the most powerful Alliance/Reform members in the BC caucus were at the time (and who still is within the CPC), And yes, they are all very close to PMSH. No way they were operating without his knowledge.

#54 brain on 02.29.08 at 2:27 am

This is a 15 minute interview by the CBC with the autobiographer of “Like a Rock, the Chuck Cadman story”. Its well worth the watch.

http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/zytaruk-invu080228.mov

And one last thing. Stephen Harper is on record for his entire 5 years as president of the National Citizens Coalition to dismantle the universal health care system of Canada. The implications that would take place to privatize care, would be to adopt a U.S. model of healthcare where health care insurance companies make enormous profits. Anyone who thinks a U.S. insurance corporation would not risk a million dollar writeoff on a gamble to make billions in medical insurance in Canada is grossly missing the incentive for insurance companies to do so.

The NCC website is watered down these days, but it is what it is… a near 40 year old lobbyist group made up of U.S. multinationals prez’d by Harper in late ’97 to late 01′ that has supported the Conseravative party of Canada throughout most of its existence.

They’ve toned down their bolder stances over the years with immigration but the union busting, election advertizing and media lobbying, court challenges to corporate regulations and economic sector protection of Canada, ending the wheat board, interfering with provincial and federal elections, selling off all crowns corporations, especially the CBC, and the destruction of universal health care as we know it are still there.

Keep in mind that the NCC agend IS Harpers agenda when you read this link below…

http://nationalcitizens.ca/doc_bin/agenda_canada.pdf

And remind yourselves of how much money this organization has backing it by U.S. multinationals. In 2006, they had a 2.8 billion dollar budget for lobbyist purposes targeted by U.S. multinational goals to expand market share into Canada.

The true scandal with Stephen Harper lies in why 90% of Canadian voters are not made aware of Harpers true colors as a former (and obviously current) lobbyist for U.S. multinationals and the Republican party itself. One only needs to read the link and the information on the NCC website to see it for themselves.

#55 Drew on 02.29.08 at 2:38 am

I suppose it’s somehow possible that Dona Cadman could benefit in lying about what her late husband said to her. But how?

King Stephen would have us believe that she did just that. In spite of the good of her own party? I suppose she may have, but why?

Does the issue of the life insurance policy really matter all that much in the grand scheme of it all? I suppose it may, but looking at the greater picture, probably not.

Was Chuck Cadman, a sitting MP, offered any sort of incentive to jump ship or change his vote by pc party officials prior to the vote in question? Judging by Harper’s choice of words when interviewed by Tom Zytaruk, at the very least it sounds as though he knew of the intent. Alas, dumb sheople that we are, we are supposed to believe otherwise.

Considering the potential outcome of being caught lying about any of this at some point in time in the future, are we the voter supposed to assume that certain government officials won’t do just that?

When (or if) the RCMP ever get around to investigating the issue, I suppose they may find something criminal. Since they could find no wrong in Brian Mulroney accepting envelopes stuffed with cash, I doubt they’ll manage to trip over anything here either.

I suppose an investigation by the Ethics Comittee may expose some sort of criminal act. Since they have precious little investigative power outside of reading documents and taking people at their word the outcome seems rather obvious.

There is an incredible amount of supposition surrounding this issue.

Will we the voter, ever know the whole truth in all of this? I suppose we may, but I believe we have have a better chance of seeing Chuck Cadman rise from the dead and walk on water.

#56 brain on 02.29.08 at 2:49 am

This one is well worth watching, a Mike Duffy interview of Tom Zytaruk, as well as Ms. Cadman. There’s only one way to look at it from where I’m sitting.

Harper is dirty.

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/sbplayer/Docs.html

#57 Sid on 02.29.08 at 5:31 am

Can never figure out why generation after generation, subsequent scum after repeated repugnant self-righteous turd thinks that THEY will not be the ones to be found out.

Finally, once and for all, bring these sanctimonious pieces of filth down.

#58 David Bakody on 02.29.08 at 5:57 am

Bribing a dieing Man hey…..

I want my Canada Back! I love those words, yes Ladies and Gentlemen, the Canada that we grew grew up in, the Canada I was raised in with all it faults, the Canada I was proud of, the Canada where we had leadership not ‘Dictatorship” where the Bully the on Hill is more concerned about a “White House” rather than “Our House””. I want my children and grandchildren to have at minimum the standard of living I enjoyed in Canada. Where I turned on a TV and the PM of Canada was talking to Canadians, not talking down to Canadians. My Canada is unique not in the image of George “Dubya” Bush but in the memories of gallant men and women who came to-gether from coast to coast to coast and fought for freedom of speech and for the right to be heard via there elected representative in Ottawa, who are now told to sit and listen to a “Dictator” spell out rules of what to say, where to say it and to whom to talk to. Dam it I want may Canada back, the question is do you?

Take this to the people of Canada Now!

#59 Sherm on 02.29.08 at 6:29 am

We can’t trust the Conservative government. I doubt we can trust the Ethic’s committee to follow through and I am beginning to doubt we can trust the RCMP. What was Mike Duffy’s statement all about? He is so clearly partisan that I stopped watching his show. He was obviously working towards a new job as Senator Michael Duffy. What made him turn around?

Gary Lunn helped arrange the meeting? The same man who got rid of Linda Keen because she did her job?

The plot sickens.

Perhaps Mrs. Cadman is running as PC thinking that the PC party her husband used to represent can be rebuilt to it’s former glory. Who knows what her reasoning is? One can be sure they will find a way to replace her, just as they replaced other principled individuals, ie Bill Casey and the Toronto candidate (a lawyer – his name escapes me).

Mr. Dion is wise to hold off on an election. If this continues Canadians will be screaming for one. Let Harper continue to dig his own grave.

#60 kpn on 02.29.08 at 7:04 am

OPINION
TheStar.com | Canada | PM’s story just doesn’t add up

Feb 29, 2008 04:30 AM
Scott Reid
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

Karma is about to lay a beating on Stephen Harper.

After years of staking a high-handed claim to ethical purity, the Conservative prime minister is going to have to defend – possibly even to law enforcement – the altogether opposite reality of his Nixon-like approach to politics.

Interestingly, the fuse lighting this political bomb comes not from the Opposition but from the published words of two highly credible sources: Dona Cadman, widow of former MP Chuck Cadman, and Stephen Harper, circa 2005.

In a book to be released next month, both Ms Cadman and Stephen Harper confirm that Conservative party officials offered the ailing MP a financial benefit to win his support in that spring’s crucial parliamentary vote. If true, that likely amounts to a criminal offence.

According to the book, Ms Cadman says the appeal included a $1 million life insurance policy – no doubt a tempting albeit ghoulish offer to a man who knew he was soon to die. Mr. Harper is less precise in his quoted commentary but he does characterize the overture as including “financial considerations.” And he confirms both that he had foreknowledge of the offer and that the officials were legitimate representatives of the Conservative party.

Denials are now coming fast and furious but Dona Cadman has told media that she stands by her account. And the Prime Minister has stopped short of suggesting she is lying or that he was misquoted.

What’s more, he claims he quietly investigated the matter 2 1/2 years ago and found nothing of concern.

Well, that’s awfully reassuring.

Why did he launch such an investigation? Who conducted it and with whom did they speak? Did Ms Cadman mention a $1 million life insurance policy to them? And what of Dan Wallace, the assistant who vouches for Dona Cadman’s honesty, but has become mysteriously unavailable for interviews?

It simply doesn’t add up. To embrace Harper’s account, one must accept an already impressive list of implausible assertions.

Yes, he was aware in advance that party officials were making an offer to Chuck Cadman. But, no, he didn’t “direct” them to make an offer. Yes, he was aware that what they proposed involved “financial considerations.” But, no, that doesn’t amount to a bribe. Yes, he believes Dona Cadman is credible enough to stand as a Conservative candidate. But, no, her claim about an illegal $1 million bribe isn’t correct. Yes, he was distressed enough to launch an investigation of the matter. But, no, he’d rather not talk about it.

It wouldn’t take Columbo to pull apart the threads fraying at the edges of this story. In mounting a defence, Harper’s track record on such matters will lend him little credibility.

After all, the Prime Minister denied that his party offered Alan Riddell $50,000 to step aside as a candidate in Ottawa South. But a judge ruled that’s exactly what happened.

The Prime Minister denied that his party concocted a scheme to redirect a million dollars from local ridings to the Conservatives’ national campaign committee in 2006. But, Elections Canada says that’s exactly what happened.

The pattern of this Prime Minister has been to make self-righteous claims about his own conduct, bully all those who stand in his way and smear the name of those who openly defy him.

For a man who ran on a platform of transparency and accountability, his penchant for lowball politics grows more obvious and more odious as each day passes.

If this latest allegation is proved true, it can only be regarded as a celestial settling of the scales. Canadians will tolerate a great deal from their politicians. But they have no time for hypocrisy.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/308110

#61 kpn on 02.29.08 at 7:06 am

Casey: Cadman bribe allegation plausible

By STEPHEN MAHER Ottawa Bureau
Fri. Feb 29 – 7:29 AM

OTTAWA — Bill Casey says he has two reasons to believe Dona Cad­man’s story about an attempt by Conservative operatives to bribe her late husband into voting against the Liberals’ 2005 budget.

For one thing, Mr. Casey says he thinks Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his team are capable of doing all kinds of things to get their way. For another, he likes and admires Ms. Cadman.
Interviewed on Thursday from his Amherst home, where he’s re­covering from prostate cancer surgery, Mr. Casey said he owes Ms. Cadman a great deal of thanks for his health.

After the death of her husband, British Columbia MP Chuck Cad- man, Ms. Cadman organized a skin cancer screening session on Parliament Hill. Mr. Casey pop­ped in and found that he had mela­noma, for which he was eventual­ly successfully treated. During a followup screening, doctors dis­covered he had prostate cancer, for which he was treated several weeks ago.

“If it wasn’t for him and his wife’s effort, I wouldn’t have had my skin cancer diagnosed,” Mr. Casey said.

“And if I hadn’t had that diag­nosed, this other thing would nev- er have been diagnosed.”

Mr. Casey also said his experi­ence with Mr. Harper and his peo­ple lead him to believe that Ms. Cadman’s story is possible.

“I believe that they will do whatever they have to do to ac­complish their goals, and that’s what makes me uncomfortable,” he said. “I believe that.”

Mr. Casey, who has never been close to Mr. Harper, was ejected from the Conservative caucus af­ter voting against a Tory budget bill that made changes to the At­lantic accord.

In the last minutes before the vote, Mr. Casey was closeted with high-powered Tories who tried to persuade him to change his vote. They offered the province of Nova Scotia a lot of money but none to him personally, he said.

“Did they offer me a million dol­lars? A billion. In that little room, they were throwing a lot of money around, but it wasn’t in my pock­et.”

Then Mr. Casey joked: “If they had, I’d have voted in favour of the budget.”

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/9005757.html

#62 DHalfkenny on 02.29.08 at 7:19 am

I find everyone on here is in the wrong line of work. They missed their call and should have went into the investigation field.

This happens all the time. The rules were so weak and put in place so they could be abused.

How do you think Ms Stronach, Mr Brison and Mr Emmerson ended up being made ministers. They were given jobs to cross the floor.

This is nothing but “Change the Channel” to draw attention away from the budget that is criticized but the Liberal do not have the guts to defeat. The Bloc and the NDP appear to want to go. I hope they vote for the Liberal non confidence motion.

#63 maggie on 02.29.08 at 7:28 am

Garth, don’t forget to ask over and over of the Conservatives, “Just how many investigations is your party under?”

#64 Joe T. on 02.29.08 at 7:30 am

These allegations against PMSH are very believable in my eyes, and not at all surprising. He is as underhanded and self-centered as those in charge of Ad-Scam were corrupt.

Lets not get carried away with one side is evil so the other side must be good nonsense. The Cons of today are hurting Canada and looking after themselves first just as Bush and his goons are hurting the States (and the rest of the world for that matter). That does not excuse the fact that the Liberal ‘dictatorship’ under Cretien were corrupt and made it’s own fair share of blunders. Martin’s government was just plain useless and couldn’t get much worthwhile done.

My only hope is that the current Liberal party will learn from the lessons of the previous governments and put an end to this unending lack-of-ethics pissing match and focus on uniting and leading the country.

Don’t let this story get swept under the rug Garth, show PMSH for what he really is. But in the meantime, don’t quit your day job of trying to bring about positive change in legislation for Canadians!

#65 Harry S on 02.29.08 at 7:31 am

WOW … this looks bad for Harper and the Conservatives. Dion will have to now make two decision in the next few days.

1. To defeat the government on the Budget, and,

2. to defeat the government over the Cadman and Mulroney affairs.

Perhaps Dion should take all these issues to the Canadian court of public opinion rather than propping up the Harper Conservatives.

Alternatively, he could pass on the Budget and then continue hammering the government over the Cadman affair with the help of Bob Rae after March 17th by-elections .. which now look rather good for a Liberal sweep.

So Garth … what do you think your Liberals should do ..??

#66 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 7:53 am

I looked ahead in my crystal ball to the end of september 2009 and guess what.PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER was still firmly in charge.Dion,well he was still getting sand kicked in his face.

#67 James- Chatham on 02.29.08 at 7:55 am

So Garth … what do you think your Liberals should do ..??

By Harry S on 02.29.08 7:31 am

Question: If Mr. Dion allows the budget to pass, when will the next confidence vote take place?

Would Mr. Harper be able to continue on his twisted way until the next budget (confidence bill)?

If this is the case, defeat this corrupt government now. There may not be a smoking gun piece of paper but the circumstancial evidence is overwelming.

#68 David Bakody on 02.29.08 at 8:01 am

Ladies and Gentlemen, there has been some very powerful words written here on this blog and many others across this country. Where there is smoke there is fire…and in this case I believe it is a ragging out of control. Are you surprised? I am not ever dictator (Bully on the Hill) gets his day because good does triumph over evil. Think, Why did Danny Williams a conservative spend his money to call Steve Harper out in our National Newspaper unheard of Canadian History), Steve Harper must as Micheal I. stated now call Mrs. Cadman and her daughter a lyre….and address Bill Casey….think ladies and gentlemen before y’all defend Steve and Co, should the rest of sheep line up behind him, they will have to answer to their children and families for the rest of lives.

You what that when dictators are cornered they begin to hit out against everyone family included…until they have lost everything, then they take themselves out….sad but true.

#69 Jose Escalora on 02.29.08 at 8:03 am

This is the time to do it.

Dion’s integrity vs. Harper’s hypocrisy.

Now or the same will be forgotten soon.

#70 slg on 02.29.08 at 8:07 am

First thing – would we really be that dumb to think that Finlay and Flannigan would say – “yes, we bribed him”. Give your heads a shake – they’ll defend themselves and Harper so I don’t take their word for anything.

Secondly – did it ever occur to anyone that Mr. Cadman was very ill and perhaps didn’t want to cause a flap and didn’t have the stamina to deal with it if it came out? He died only weeks later – do you really believe that he could deal with this while so sick? C’mon – Harper’s shoes are covered in doo doo and you know it.

Rest in peace – yes, Mr. Cadman is resting in peace knowing he always stuck to his principles.

Also, how dumb for anyone to believe that his wife and daughter would lie and tarnish his good name.

CPC supporters – I feel sorry for you because truth is too hard to deal with.

Maybe that’s the difference. When the Liberals did wrong (now 15 years ago) I was really angry, but I could face the truth.

By the way, funny how Pollievre, etc. think going back 15 or 20 years on the Mulroney situation is stupid, yet they dwell on the sponsorship of 15 years ago. DOUBLE-STANDARD political party of what.

#71 keith phibbs on 02.29.08 at 8:08 am

Charles McVety and the christian right show off their control over PMO.

Evangelist takes credit for film crackdown
Christian crusader says he pressured cabinet ministers and PMO officials to deny tax credits to productions deemed too offensive
BILL CURRY AND GAYLE MACDONALD

From Friday’s Globe and Mail

February 29, 2008 at 4:00 AM EST

OTTAWA, TORONTO — A well-known evangelical crusader is claiming credit for the federal government’s move to deny tax credits to TV and film productions that contain graphic sex and violence or other offensive content.

Charles McVety, president of the Canada Family Action Coalition, said his lobbying efforts included discussions with Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, and “numerous” meetings with officials in the Prime Minister’s Office.

“We’re thankful that someone’s finally listening,” he said yesterday. “It’s fitting with conservative values, and I think that’s why Canadians voted for a Conservative government.”

Mr. McVety said films promoting homosexuality, graphic sex or violence should not receive tax dollars, and backbench Conservative MPs and cabinet ministers support his campaign.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wculture29/BNStory/National/home

Flaherty’s train catches his officials off guard
Cost undefined, Finance spokeswoman says
JEFF GRAY AND STEVEN CHASE

From Friday’s Globe and Mail

February 29, 2008 at 4:00 AM EST

TORONTO, OTTAWA — Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s surprise pledge to run train service from Toronto to Peterborough, Ont. – on a route through his riding – may have been included in the federal budget, but his department still could not say yesterday how much it will cost, how many passengers it might carry, or who will operate it.

“The final cost of the specific project … has not yet been defined,” spokeswoman Nathalie Gauthier said in an e-mail. “Details regarding this project, including the service provider, will be decided in the future.”

But critics say the idea will be very costly, requiring large subsidies to carry a comparatively small number of passengers. And they point out it does not appear on Ontario’s multibillion-dollar list of priority public-transit projects across the Toronto region that are already awaiting funding
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wtrain29/BNStory/National/home

#72 TS on 02.29.08 at 8:12 am

“Anyway, we have just witnessed another miserable ‘gotcha’ moment in our political soap opera, and it really is just business as usual.

It saddens me, and I offer my apologies to the memory of Mr. Cadman and to his wife.

I wish that politics was a noble and honourable vocation, but I am afraid it is not…”

By Ed Brooks on 02.28.08 11:22 pm

Ed, Agreed. You’ve said it all…as the world turns, and the country suffers.

#73 give me a break on 02.29.08 at 8:15 am

and a bribe differs from a cabinet post how?

#74 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 8:18 am

I don’t get it Keith.Are you saying it is ok to give tax dollars to film makers that put out homosexual sex acts,graphic violence and continual swearing?If anyone wonders why our country slid down the steep slope of losing our morals,it’s because people like you (lieberals) think all this crap is ok.Glad your not looking after my children.

#75 Captain George on 02.29.08 at 8:19 am

Red Tie?

Liberal wannabe?

#76 Herb on 02.29.08 at 8:25 am

Let us have a closer look at what Duffy and PM Harper have advanced as exoneration in the CTV interview –

The key points are that:

1. Duffy asked whether there had been an offer involving “unopposed nomination “ and, “help with campaign financing and so on.”

2. To which Cadman replied: “…there was some talk about that. … that was the only offer on anything I had from anybody …”

So Cadman confirmed that there was an offer of an unopposed nomination and help with campaign financing “and so one.” In other words, an offer of consideration in return for a vote in the House.

Some exoneration!

#77 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 8:27 am

Hi Garth…stretch, stretch, stretch. Clearly Mr. Cadman was talking about the unopposed offer as that was the question Mr. Duffy asked. “Yeah, well, you know, that was the only offer on anything I had from anybody…” That’s pretty clear.

As for Mr. Harper’s interview, I think it shows great ethical character and he clearly said: “But the, uh, the offer to Chuck was that it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election.”

Of course. If a dying man does you a favour, joins your party would you expect him to see a huge loss of income? Mr. Cadman’s reasons for supporting Martin were financial and that was important in light of the fact he was dying.

Has Mr. Dion found an insurance company that will underwrite a dying man? Mrs. Cadman says that all Mr. Cadman had to do was sign one single piece of paper to get the million dollar insurance policy. Of course she was not in the office at the time. One single piece of paper. My husband and I are both in our 40’s, healthy and yet when we have our mortgage renewal for the life insurance we have to undergo complete physicals.

I know Mr. Zabo is salivating over this, the drool and the smirk were all over him. I’ll bet the LP has already interviewed Mr. Cadman’s pizza delivery boy….

If you go after this Garth; then clearly we need to revisit Belinda’s offer and payment of a Cabinet position. You cannot offer bribery with payment one day, and point fingers the next.

Leasa

#78 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 8:28 am

…It is indeed a shame that Mr. Cadman’s good reputation is being impugned, maligned, and exploited for tawdry political gain.

By Ed Brooks on 02.28.08 11:22 pm

nonsense.

Harper’s defenders are trying to make Cadman look bad based on two premises. That he should have said something and that he did it so he wouldn’t lose his life insurance.

He didn’t say anything at the time because he didn’t have Harper on tape.

He stood up when he did because in his judgement doing otherwise would have given the people who had just tried to buy him a shot at the seat of power.

#79 James- Chatham on 02.29.08 at 8:31 am

and a bribe differs from a cabinet post how?

By give me a break on 02.29.08 8:15 am

Both are close, but the latter crosses the line.

I guess giving someone a cabinet post means they are going to have to work to get the extra money the position offers.

A bribe for a vote, all the person has to do is stand at the right time.

BTW. The line should be moved so that either will be a case of crossing the line!

#80 smoker on 02.29.08 at 8:37 am

RE: Mr. Cadman.

My gawd, can’t you and the Liberal Party let the poor man rest in peace ? Diddling Dion’s pathetic and transparent outrage in the H of C only shows how low the “Leader ? “ will go to deflect his weakened response on the budget and Afghanistan. While he tries to pacify his fractured Caucus his desperation shows no bounds. Even you have, publicly, as reported in the media, disagreed with him.
I expect one of two things, both of which you use when you won’t give an honest answer. Either silence because of the roar of feathers dropping or more of your sarcasm.

#81 keith phibbs on 02.29.08 at 8:45 am

Where are the trolls today? One threat and no other posts.
Bob R it said homosexuality not homosexual acts.Big difference. Whats next on the hitlist?
I dont think McVety should have any influence on our government.He speaks for a very small minority, the rest disagree with his views.

#82 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 8:47 am

So yeah get the RCMP involved immediately.

By Molly on 02.28.08 10:10 pm

Yes, Molly, I do hope the RCMP investigates this. I also hope that Mr. Dion makes these allegations OUTSIDE the House, the same way he did inside the House.

Molly, do you honestly believe that Mike Harris helped to get an Insurance Company to lay their credibility on the line and criminally, buy off a dying politician with a million dollar life insurance company? I do hope the LP takes your suggestion seriously, and also accuse Mr. Harris of this in public.

Yeah, as Garth said: shame. Leasa

#83 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 8:47 am

…He stood up when he did because in his judgement doing otherwise would have given the people who had just tried to buy him a shot at the seat of power.

By Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 8:28 am

More properly, the offer sealed the deal and eased his mind. That’s a good thing.

#84 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 8:49 am

RE: Mr. Cadman.

My gawd, can’t you and the Liberal Party let the poor man rest in peace ?

By smoker on 02.29.08 8:37 am

Cadman didn’t do anything wrong.

#85 slg on 02.29.08 at 8:53 am

BoB R – you just don’t get it. First of all, Harper has deliberatly tried to keep his evangelical ties under wraps. This is proof the wingnuts like McVety have influence over him. Also, I suspect that this is only the beginning of the evangelical attempts to tell us what we should and should not do.

We are grown ups you know. Contradiction – CPC believe in free speech and yet try to take it away at the same time.

I don’t want the likes of Charles McVety controlling my life.

#86 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 8:54 am

Keith,I figured you would defend it.That is the lieberal way of thinking.You probably oppose raising the age of consent to 16 also.What a surprise

#87 CAL on 02.29.08 at 8:55 am

Wasn’t it Mr. Finley who tried to tell people in one riding in B.C. that anyone who wanted to connect with the government should do it through a unelected CPC representative and bi-pass the NDP incumbent in the riding? Who can fill me in on this story? My memory is a little hazy no ’cause it happened months ago.

By Pat. G. on 02.28.08 11:44 pm

Yes, I remember it well, Pat. The NDP member was Nathan Cullen who represents Skeena-Bulkley Valley. The “Go-To Girl” was Sharon Smith, the mayor of Houston. The following is an interesting read:

http://www.harperindex.ca/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=0087

Does anyone really believe that Steve’s fingerprints are NOT all over this one? How tacky can he be? That’s rhetorical, of course!!

#88 David Bakody on 02.29.08 at 8:55 am

Hey Smoker….not to be unkind, but, please give your head a shake, Gomery and some strange receipts found in dumpster and then the smear Ralf episode. Careful of those rocks pal. What goes around comes around and Reformers/Alliance/Conservatives are now at the top of clock….heading south!

#89 Calberta on 02.29.08 at 8:57 am

Major pieces of the Liberal policies are missing from this latest budget offering.
The embattled Harper government is embroiled in scandal after scandal.
Is Mr Dion STILL willing to support and prop up this minority parliament? Does he still think this parliament is working for Canadians?
We need a visionary leader to unite the regions and stop the degradation of our country and it’s ultimate takeover and demise by outside multinational interests.
Mr Dion the time for proactive leadership is now – not reactive rhetoric that supports the current corruption of this Harper government!

#90 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 8:59 am

Oh oh Garth, turns out Paul Martin had a copy of this a full year ago!

Paul Martin received early copy of Cadman manuscript, author says
Darah Hansen , Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, February 28, 2008
METRO VANCOUVER – The author of a controversial yet-to-be published book chronicling the life of the late Surrey MP Chuck Cadman confirmed Thursday that Paul Martin was among those who were sent an early copy of the manuscript.

Tom Zytaruk, a journalist in Surrey, said he provided a copy to the former Liberal Prime Minister for review following its completion in February of 2007.

Why didn’t he act on it then? Is it because that Ms. Cadman says the CPC member who she does not know the identity of met with Mr. Cadman on May 17 when Mr. Cadman was still in BC?

Please, ask Mr. Dion to make the allegations outside the House today. That would be great. Thanks, Leasa

#91 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 9:02 am

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 8:18 am

I suppose those that pay the bills do get to call the shots. However, I am really uncomfortable if the government gets to pick and choose what is suitable.

Other than Mr. McVety squawking for attention, are there really any serious problems with what has happened to date?

Would you please give me a list of films or arts that currently have received financing from the government that you would like to ban? We could use that as a litmus test to see whether there really is a need for a draconian approach…

If, indeed, Charles McVety and his organization are the ones that are going to decide what is fit for our eyes, I am extremely concerned.

Perhaps you would like Mr. McVety to filter this blog for you, too. The language around here may be too colourful you, ya know.

#92 Herb on 02.29.08 at 9:02 am

Leasa,

you’re ankle-biting.

#93 TS on 02.29.08 at 9:09 am

More sleaze from the Conservatives. Nothing new. Deception in how they string unrelated clips to smear Dion. Breaking election funding rules with their convention and repaying $530,000. A second Elections Canada investigation underway. Baird being investigated for his role in the Ottawa mayoral scandal. And, now allegations that they tried to bride a principled MP on his death bed. It’s obvious that this is a party led by a man who will go to any lengths to deceive to win and stay in power. Shameful. Simply shameful.

#94 give me a break on 02.29.08 at 9:11 am

I guess giving someone a cabinet post means they are going to have to work to get the extra money the position offers.

By James- Chatham on 02.29.08 8:31 am

and exactly what work did Belinda do?
(other than vote)

#95 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 9:12 am

Oh oh Garth, turns out Paul Martin had a copy of this a full year ago!

By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:59 am

LOL!

Martin was under no obligation to ask the author if he had corroborating evidence. Just like I’m under no obligation to ask Garth about Parliamentary doodles.

LOL!

no wonder he’s been keeping his head down.

#96 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 9:13 am

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 8:54 am

despicable, actually. Is the R. for ‘reprehensible’?

#97 smoker on 02.29.08 at 9:13 am

Where did I imply that Mr. Cadman did anything wrong. All I’m saying don’t dredge up his name to hide the weak and divided Lieberals .

Cadman didn’t do anything wrong.

By Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 8:49 am

David Bakody

Delusional day dreaming.

What goes around comes around and Reformers/Alliance/Conservatives are now at the top of clock….heading south!

By David Bakody on 02.29.08 8:55 am

#98 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 9:15 am

hey

anybody know off-hand if life insurance application forms are numbered?

#99 kpn on 02.29.08 at 9:18 am

BoB R – you just don’t get it. First of all, Harper has deliberatly tried to keep his evangelical ties under wraps. This is proof the wingnuts like McVety have influence over him. Also, I suspect that this is only the beginning of the evangelical attempts to tell us what we should and should not do.

We are grown ups you know. Contradiction – CPC believe in free speech and yet try to take it away at the same time.

I don’t want the likes of Charles McVety controlling my life.

By slg on 02.29.08 8:53 am

Somehow Stockwell Day and Nicholson (Justice Minister, IIRC) have no recollection of McVety discussing this with them, yet McVety said he did. Interesting how the cons always use that excuse when it suits their purposes.

#100 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 9:19 am

If you go after this Garth; then clearly we need to revisit Belinda’s offer and payment of a Cabinet position. You cannot offer bribery with payment one day, and point fingers the next.

Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:27 am

As one who complained vociferously when Belinda crossed the floor, and Emerson as well for that matter, I absolutely 100% agree with you Leasa.

However, once again, your defense based on offense is ridiculous. How can you defend this based on the shortcomings of others?

It just doesn’t work for me, and the situation will never improve, if the justification is always that the other guys did bad things, too.

In my opinion, if you choose to argue that other guys are just as guilty, you are admitting that you are ashamed of your guys as well.

#101 AM in BC on 02.29.08 at 9:24 am

Much is being made by some news media and comment-posters about Cadman having said publicly that there were no offers from anyone for his vote.

Is it just possible that Cadman, being the man of principle that he was, was being less than forthcoming about the Conservative Party offer because of his loyalty to the party that had treated him so shabbily and he did not want Canadians to know just how shabbily?

#102 pjw on 02.29.08 at 9:27 am

If you go after this Garth; then clearly we need to revisit Belinda’s offer and payment of a Cabinet position. You cannot offer bribery with payment one day, and point fingers the next.

Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:27 am

They are all dirty Leasa, it is unfortunate you cannot see that! Do you really think voting for either of these two parties is going to change anything?
My goodness, at least have the integrity to admit they went over the top on this instead of trying to defend them by pointing out others short comings….sad…very sad…this whole mess speaks volumes as to why the party system in Canada needs to be abolished.

#103 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 9:28 am

Garth,

I am curious what time this topic actually went up? I checked when I made this comment last night and it was not here? Are their several servers carrying the topcs?

(From Last night)
Shame on you Garth, ya old reprobate..You started it.

Round and round the Mulberry bush, the Monkey chased the Weasel….

By Greg on 02.28.08 7:40 pm

Yeppers, our beloved Garth has the leathers to prove it too. Oh Lord bring Spring that Garth may mount his beloved Crotch Rocket and get the stress off!

LMAO! Yes, and the weasel is Stephen Harper. Now, hopefully, the monkey will restrain from doing any spanking as it chashes the weasel?

Very interesting ‘At Issue’ panel tonight on CBC’s The National. Don Martin, of The National Post, admitted his insider sources in the Liberal Party want to remain anonymous.

Chantel Hebert, in her usual pro Quebec Seperatist genre, attacked Stephane Dion.

Andrew Coyne, of McClean’s, was the smart one IMHO. He places the media’s attacks, and Mansbridge admitted the media has been beating up on Dion, not on Dion, but on the Old Line Liberals within the party who remain in combat for power.

That has been somewhat obvious, but at least that cat has escaped the bag at last.

Look to Iggy as the primary source of dissent, and Rae as well.

Hebert even compared it (if I recall correctly) to what happened with Stockwell Day and the Reform Party spasms.

I think the Libs will SPLIT, some will join up with the Greens, and the Ignatieff crowd will go looking for support from the soon to be unemployed American military/industrial lobbyists.

What strange webs they weave, eh?

This entire thing is only just beginning. Harper will be needing asbestos underwear, and I think several lawyers, for quite a while.

Oh, and on a happy note, Conrad Black’s appeal for a bond has been DENIED. Lord Arrogance must report to prison no later than 2pm Monday afternoon.

He will, undoubtedly, enjoy the entry processing including strip search, body cavity exams, taking of his clothes, and donning the same prison uniform the rest of the CRIMINALS have to wear.

He will miss the fine food, and be making $0.12 per hour in wages. Now that is JUSTICE!

#104 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 9:29 am

btw, don’t be so hard on McVety. He’s just filling the void created by people who like to think Parliament is an embodiment of the hand of God.

Its a common enough mistake.

#105 Reefer Sutherland from the Big Smoke on 02.29.08 at 9:32 am

By Bob R. on 02.28.08 9:12 pm

Bob, quit being such a tool. I know that facts are an ugly thing to the lemming CPC supporters such as yourself, but reality won’t go away. Mr. Cadman’s wife and daughter have confirmed the facts, and neither have anything to gain from this. The only ones who gain from this is Mr. Zytaruk and his publisher…and possibly the people of Canada if this is the final nail in Mr. Harpers political coffin. And then there is the tape of Mr. Harper acknowledging possible financial offers to Mr. Cadman. And now Mr. Harper has the gall to say this didn’t happen??!!!

Trying to implicate the Liberals in engineering the release of this story is a joke. How anyone can still support the CPC after this despicable and CPC-sanctioned act is beyond me. Tick-tock Mr. Harper, tick-tock. I want the real PC party back – not this bunch of posers, liars and crooks.

#106 kpn on 02.29.08 at 9:35 am

Danger ahead for Harper
Susan Riley, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Friday, February 29, 2008

There is a bad odour emanating from Parliament Hill today – and it is coming directly from the Prime Minister’s Office.

The accusation that deceased independent MP Chuck Cadman was offered a bribe to join the Conservatives and precipitate the defeat of the Paul Martin government three years ago is devastating, if it can be confirmed.

First, it is easy to understand: It sounds like bribery, plain and simple. Second, there is no doubt that Stephen Harper knew that Cadman was being approached and offered some financial help; he has acknowledged as much. And, finally, the source for the story is not a shadowy operative, or one of Harper’s political rivals, but Cadman’s widow, Dona, currently the Conservative candidate in Surrey North.

…..

Yesterday, it emerged that Doug Finley, Conservative campaign boss, and Calgary academic Tom Flanagan, a long-time friend of Harper’s, were the two officials.

They issued a carefully-worded statement that didn’t mention the insurance policy allegation, but said they only offered Cadman “campaign assistance” should he decide to run for the Conservatives. For his part, Harper told the author he discouraged his emissaries from leaning on Cadman, who, Harper said, had already decided to vote with the Liberals. “I said: ‘Don’t press him.’ I mean, you have this theory that it’s, you know, financial insecurity, and, you know, if that’s what you say, make the case, but I said: ‘Don’t press it’.”

So all that is in dispute is what Cadman was offered: routine party help in winning his nomination and riding, or that and a significant cushion for his soon-to-be-widowed wife.

Like the Mulroney story, this one may end pitting one person’s word against another – a test of credibility that can be damaging to all involved. Why would Dona Cadman invent such a story when it could damage the party she is running for? Why are the denials from Finley, Flanagan and Wallace second-hand and brief: Why are they not offering outraged public denunciations? As for Harper, he, incredibly, accuses the Liberals of trying to damage Cadman’s reputation for sterling integrity. The prime minister quoted a CBC interview on the night of the crucial vote in which Cadman denies being offered any improper incentives. But is it possible that he didn’t want to further damage his former colleagues, that he had turned the page on what must have been an agonizing decision?

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=5d9ceabc-1511-458d-9f52-95877537a287

#107 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 9:35 am

Cockfighting ring was the largest ever shut down in Canada.

Oops! Sorry, I thought they were talking about the HoC QP? LOL

#108 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 9:35 am

Evangelist takes credit for film crackdown

Christian crusader says he pressured cabinet ministers and PMO officials to deny tax credits to productions deemed too offensive By WHO?

A well-known evangelical crusader is claiming credit for the federal government’s move to deny tax credits to TV and film productions that contain graphic sex and violence or other offensive content.

Charles McVety, president of the Canada Family Action Coalition, said his lobbying efforts included discussions with Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, and “numerous” meetings with officials in the Prime Minister’s Office.

“We’re thankful that someone’s finally listening,” he said yesterday. “It’s fitting with conservative values, and I think that’s why Canadians voted for a Conservative government.”

Mr. McVety said films promoting homosexuality, graphic sex or violence should not receive tax dollars, and backbench Conservative MPs and cabinet ministers support his campaign.

“There are a number of Conservative backbench members that do a lot of this work behind the scenes,” he said.

Mr. Day and Mr. Nicholson said through officials yesterday they did not recall discussing the issue with Mr. McVety.

So, is this the next illegal bribery scandal coming at the Harper government? We have a Constitutional Democracy in Canada, not a Theocracy.

There should also be an RCMP investigation, as well as an Elections canada, and Auditor general’s investigation to se how much ‘pressure’ was applied to Harper’s minions.

And you thought Afghanistan and Iraq were corrupt? HA!

#109 Calberta on 02.29.08 at 9:38 am

Liberals believe in a Canada that is the envy of the world. A country where economic prosperity goes hand in hand with social development and where a healthy sustainable environment is driven by leading edge research and innovation.

The Liberal Party has had great success in balancing sound fiscal management with strong social policy because we know that investing in the lives of Canadians simply makes good economic sense. People become healthier, better educated, more secure, and better equipped to be strong players in the economy. In turn, a stronger economy will produce greater social justice for us all.

The challenge before us now is to also focus on the greatest issue of our time: the fight against Climate Change. Clearly, the planet can no longer bear the demands that humanity is placing on it. We need to build a sustainable, green economy with policies that are both good for the planet and good for our wallets.

This is the vision that must guide all of our actions, in all areas of a government’s responsibilities, whether in the fight against poverty, the fulfillment of Aboriginal peoples, rural economic diversity, safer, more prosperous cities, improved access to culture and sports, modern infrastructure and transportation or greater energy efficiency for our country.

With your help, we can make this vision a reality for Canada. We are stronger together.
This is the vision of Canada that I want to support and i don’t see it happening in this government or this parliament.
It’s time to chart a new course for Canada- this is what Chuck stood up for before he died and it is what we should all be standing for NOW!

#110 Tobias Kaiser on 02.29.08 at 9:39 am

Crucial point of what Chatman said:
“There was no offer UP TO THAT POINT…”

#111 slg on 02.29.08 at 9:43 am

From Chuck Cadman’s daughter:

He just said, ‘I have something to tell you,’ and he told me that he was offered a life insurance policy, that my mom and myself would be taken care of,” Jodi Cadman said.

“When he told me, actually I have to admit, I burst into tears because the position he was put in,” she said.

“To turn down the thought that my mom and me would maybe be taken care of financially at a time when there was no gain for himself broke my heart that he was put in that position.”
CBC goes on to state that as Chuck Cadman related this offer to his family, Jodi suggests that her father felt he couldn’t go public with the possible bribe:
Cadman’s daughter, Jodi Cadman, told CBC News that her father, a B.C. member of Parliament who was battling cancer at the time, discussed the offer with her and her mother because he couldn’t talk about it publicly.

#112 Geoffrey L. on 02.29.08 at 9:44 am

Live photo of CON Deathstar…

http://thebadplus.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/deathstar_2.jpg

#113 slg on 02.29.08 at 9:51 am

Why would Paul Martin have to say anything? The book was going to come out and perhaps there was some sort of confidentially agreement for those who got early copies not to say anything.

Also, this way Martin can’t be accused of trying to ruin the CPC’s. He didn’t have to – the book was coming out eventually anyway.

#114 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 9:56 am

If anyone wonders why our country slid down the steep slope of losing our morals,it’s because people like you (lieberals) think all this crap is ok.Glad your not looking after my children.

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 8:18 am

Trying for your own bit of Shame Spotlight are you Bob? You are a self-righteous, bigoted hypocrite!

Now haul your neo-con arse outta here. Go suckup to Harper who you are blinded to worship. YOU are the reason Canada has slide down. You, Harper, and the rest of you McVety mindless dweebs who think God has annointed you. God has not!

You are more than despicable, you are a flatout LIAR pretending to honour God, and use that position to inflict your will on Canadians! Your ilk has done more damage to the message of Christ than the Romans did to him. You, McVety, Falwell, Swaggert, and the rest of the bloated egomaniac TV evangelists.

#115 Sean Maguire on 02.29.08 at 10:03 am

You know….there’s still time to force an election now…..this might be that issue that you guys have been waiting (praying?) for.

Just saying.

#116 Stephen Smith on 02.29.08 at 10:04 am

Molly, do you honestly believe that Mike Harris helped to get an Insurance Company to lay their credibility on the line and criminally, buy off a dying politician with a million dollar life insurance company?

Mike Harris and credibility in the same sentence I think we’ve reached The Rapture.

Man who order the OPP into Ipperwash and do whatever needed to be done then lied on the stand about it. Man who nearly single handily destroyed health care/ education/municipal services in Ontario.

Credibilty yes, but the wrong side off the tracks credibility. Take the blinders off Leasa and put them back on the horse where they belong.

#117 give me a break on 02.29.08 at 10:05 am

By keith phibbs on 02.29.08 8:08 am
By Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 9:02 am

why are we the taxpayer in the business of subsidizing any films (be they offensive or not)?
If somebody wants to see a film, it’ll pay for itself.

#118 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 10:06 am

(Addition to prior post to Bob R)

Worship who or whatever you want, BUT keep your religion OUT of OUR politics.

#119 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 10:07 am

Here comes The Judge!

Charge: Bribery of a public official and Member of Parliament.

Facts are in!

Defendent has admitted guilt.

Findings: GUILTY

Sentencing: Banished from Canadian politics for life! Pack up, and move out now Harper, and take the rest of your CRAP clowns with you.

Let’s get a government and get moving forward to the future. Enough of the North American Religious Right’s aided and abetted by the souless U.S. military/industrial complex, and Exxon-Mobil attempts at taking over OUR democracy.

Someone call ahead and make sure Corrections Canada has a nice Dark Cell for the guilty. That will include Harper, Van Loan, Baird, Findley, Flannigan, Flaherty, and a special windowless cell for Mulroney!

Time to act, and make examples of these lieing POS’s for posterity!

Add space for the American’s involved in tampering with our democratic process as well.

#120 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 10:09 am

Ritz is on his word to introduce his Barley bill today. This I have to watch.

#121 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 10:13 am

While we are at cleaning things up…Bring OUR TROOPS HOME!


Afghanistan mission close to failing – US: Injection of troops and aid has not brought stability says intelligence chief

After six years of US-led military support and billions of pounds in aid, security in Afghanistan is “deteriorating” and President Hamid Karzai’s government controls less than a third of the country, America’s top intelligence official has admitted.

Mike McConnell testified in Washington that Karzai controls about 30% of Afghanistan and the Taliban 10%, and the remainder is under tribal control.

The Afghan government angrily denied the US director of national intelligence’s assessment yesterday, insisting it controlled “over 360″ of the country’s 365 districts. “This is far from the facts and we completely deny it,” said the defence ministry.

Remember when Karzai came to Canada? Well, he sure suckered us. Funny how all these power perverts lie and deny. Then again, no it is normal for them. We, however, do not have any need to lie to ourselves.

#122 Geoffrey L. on 02.29.08 at 10:23 am

Breaking News from The Globe and Mail

Beware of boasting about debt reductions
Madelaine Drohan

Thursday, February 28, 2008

OTTAWA — Were you impressed when Finance Minister Jim Flaherty announced in his budget speech that the Tories have reduced the federal debt by $27.4-billion in the last two years? It certainly sounds like a magnificent accomplishment. Too bad it isn’t true.

Not that Mr. Flaherty was trying to deceive. It’s just that what he and his Finance Department officials call federal debt does not correspond with what the ordinary person considers debt to be: money the government has borrowed in the form of bonds, treasury bills and the like.

The Finance Department’s measure of debt is a broader, notional figure based on all the budget deficits and surpluses the federal government has accumulated over the years. While the two bear some relation to each other, they are not at all the same thing.

Does the difference matter? Well, using your own definition for something can be misleading. Remember Bill Clinton’s assertion that he did not have “sex” with Monica Lewinsky? Turns out he was using a different dictionary than most of the people who were listening to him.

In the case of the federal debt (not nearly as exciting a topic), the intent is probably to simplify rather than to deceive. Still, Sheila Fraser, the Auditor General, says this simplification can lead to misinterpretation. She has been urging the Finance Department for years to stop using the term “federal debt” when what it means is “accumulated deficit.”

(The practice started under the Liberals but has continued under the Conservatives, so it can’t be pinned on any particular political party.) Ms. Fraser believes that Canadians may think that the government is using the budget surplus to pay down actual government debt, when this may not be happening at all. For the last several years she has included in her observations of the public accounts the following comment, which explains her position.

“While the accumulated deficit is automatically reduced at the end of the fiscal year by the amount of the annual surplus, government debt is not. The annual surplus is simply the figure that indicates the difference between the government’s revenues and its expenses at the end of the fiscal year, not an amount of cash that is free for the government to use in any other way, including paying some of the debt it has incurred.”

For example, in the fiscal year that ended March 31, 2007, the federal government had a budget surplus of $13.8-billion, which Mr. Flaherty announced would be used to pay down the federal debt. An accounting entry gave him another $500-million to apply to this same purpose, for a total of $14.2-billion.

The total accumulated deficit of the government duly dropped to $467.3-billion, from $481.5 billion. Mr. Flaherty included this $14.2-billion drop in his claim that the Tories have reduced federal debt by $27.4-billion over two years.

However, the actual interest-bearing debt of the government, which is the total amount it has borrowed in the form of bonds, treasury bills, and the like, did not show nearly the same improvement. It started that fiscal year at $601.1-billion and dropped to $599.3-billion, a difference of only $1.8-billion. An improvement, to be sure, but nothing compared with the overall reduction in the accumulated deficit.

In the fiscal year that will end this March 31, Mr. Flaherty is projecting a surplus of $10.2-billion, and he says this, too, will be used to pay down the federal debt. But whether the actual debt will be reduced remains to be seen. The budget did not contain any forecasts for interest-bearing debt for this year or next.

Aside from believing what they hear from government, Canadians have another stake in this question: the so-called tax-back guarantee. This is the promise by the government to use any interest savings resulting from debt reduction to reduce taxes.

If the government used the reduction to actual debt as a base to calculate these interest savings, the tax reductions would be paltry. (Remember that for the year ending last March, the actual reduction was only $1.8-billion.) But here there is a pleasant surprise. It appears that the Finance Department is using its notional idea of federal debt and the much larger reductions to this figure as the base for the tax-back guarantee. At least there is some consistency here.

But because this notional figure only exists on paper, and has no interest rate attached to it, the Finance Department has had to turn to the real debt to figure out what the interest savings will be. It is using the average effective interest rate on the real, interest-bearing debt for that calculation.

It would simplify things a great deal if Mr. Flaherty and his officials followed the advice of the auditor general and used the common definition of debt from this day forward. However, that’s unlikely to happen.

The Finance Minister would have to retract his bold statements about massive reductions in the federal debt, something no politician would do willingly. That is too bad, because giving Canadians a clear picture of the government’s financial position would help improve accountability. And isn’t that what this government is all about?

© The Globe and Mail

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wdrohan0229/GIStory/

#123 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 10:24 am

Geez,I knew you lieberals had low morals,but I am surprised how low.Mention taking tax dollars away from pornographers and keeping molesters away from children,and you all come crawling out of your holes to defend it.Please keep renewing your lieberal party memberships.Not even the NDP would want the likes of you.Sad.

#124 Tim N on 02.29.08 at 10:26 am

After reading all the above posts, I really am dumbfounded.

IF a monetary amount (for any reason) was offered, in exchange for a vote it is a bribe and illegal.

IF the sources are credible, it must be followed up and examined – because the blame is landing on our Prime Minister.

IF he is innocent of these charges, then clear it up now.

If he is not – he should be prosecuted.

I am sickened by the partisan hacks trying to deflect this.

PS- the only ones I see dragging Mr. Cadman’s name through the dirt are the Conservatives. To quote one of their hacks – Let him rest in peace. The Liberals aren’t smearing his name – the Conservatives are.

#125 MB on 02.29.08 at 10:29 am

“and a bribe differs from a cabinet post how?”

By give me a break on 02.29.08 8:15 am

Dear give-me-a-break and Leasa,

Are you two trying to say that Harper BRIBED Emerson when he gave him a cabinet post as his FIRST ACT as PRIME MINISTER?

You two have a very good point there… Stephen Harper has been bribing people SINCE DAY ONE of his Prime Ministership!

Ditch the bum!!!

And that means YOU, Conservative members!

Sincerely,
MB

#126 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 10:30 am

…Is it just possible that Cadman, being the man of principle that he was, was being less than forthcoming about the Conservative Party offer because of his loyalty to the party that had treated him so shabbily and he did not want Canadians to know just how shabbily?

By AM in BC on 02.29.08 9:24 am

I don’t think its necessary to go there at all. When Cadman was being interviewed he had no proof. If he had said anything back then with no hope for substantiation the lid would have snapped down on the case so hard we’d still be hearing the ring of the impact.

By keeping his mouth shut and talking around it he gave the truth a chance to come out in its own good time.

he would have made a hell of a good diplomat.

#127 TS on 02.29.08 at 10:31 am

Leasa….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Typical neoCon troll trying to go on the offensive and blame the Liberals for Conservative behaviour. You are a joke.

#128 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 10:35 am

By give me a break on 02.29.08 10:05 am

That’s a fair enough question, that was not asked. Happy to answer it, though…

If we as people collectively, do not want government funds to go to cultural projects: film, arts, TV, etc., presumably we shoud make it an issue and tell the government so.

The downside, though, as a small country (population-wise) of about 35 million people, can anyone make a go of producing profitable film, arts, TV, etc., without government investment?

That has been the question all along, and those that oppose government funding have come to the conclusion that “Canadian Culture” is not worth pursuing if a profit can not be made.

I’m kind of ambivalent to the whole issue, and am happy with whatever the majority decides…

#129 James- Chatham on 02.29.08 at 10:40 am

and exactly what work did Belinda do?
(other than vote)

By give me a break on 02.29.08 9:11 am

Exactly the same as Emerson and probably a darn sight more!

But let me rephrase, being given a cabinet post assumes you are going to have to work for the extra pay!

To receive the bribe, all you have to do is stand.

#130 Gord on 02.29.08 at 10:46 am

Remember when Karzai came to Canada? Well, he sure suckered us. Funny how all these power perverts lie and deny. Then again, no it is normal for them. We, however, do not have any need to lie to ourselves.

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 10:13 am

Did Karzai really sucker us? Or was it Harper? Didn’t the CPC write Karzai’s speech?

#131 Geminesse on 02.29.08 at 10:52 am

life insurance policy=
trust fund
bank account
shares in a major corporation
etc, etc.
Why is everyone hung up on whether an insurance company would issue a policy for a seriously ill person? Common sense should tell you that for the Conservative party a million dollars was easily available at that time.

#132 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 10:55 am

Also, this way Martin can’t be accused of trying to ruin the CPC’s. He didn’t have to – the book was coming out eventually anyway.

By slg on 02.29.08 9:51 am

Soooo, you are saying that he had this book with this ‘evidence’ of criminal wrong-doing, and because it would ‘someday’ come out anyway…he was under no obligation to speak up on the behalf of Canadians as AN ELECTED OFFICIAL? Is that what you are saying?

I think that Mr. Martin knew bullshit when he read it. Period. Otherwise, he would have LOVED to nail Mr. Harper with this, or even have one of his cohorts do it for him. We are talking a full year here. Not a few days.

Leasa

#133 IPNightly on 02.29.08 at 10:56 am

Here is the actual quote from Cadman from CTV:

” When asked about rumours he was offered by Conservatives an unopposed nomination in exchange for his vote on the budget bills, Cadman admitted they were true.

“The discussions did come up,” he admitted on CTV’s COUNTDOWN with Mike Duffy later Thursday night. “The talk did come up, yeah.”

Cadman said he refused, however.

“That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody,” he added, rebuffing suggestions he made a deal to throw his support behind the Liberals.

“There were no offers on that table up to that point, on anything from anybody.”

I think this makes it pretty clear that he was talking about not recieving any offers from “Other” parties, but does make it clear that he did have offers from the CONS

#134 not again on 02.29.08 at 10:56 am

Liberals believe in a Canada that is the envy of the world.
Calberta on 02.29.08 9:38 am

lol, if the proof the federal government is corrupt wasn`t evident to most Cdns after Trudeau and Mulroney, Chretien put it all in prospective when he admitted millions stolen but`it was good for the country`.

You might be proud of that but I doubt very much if it`s the envy of the world. All in all a very entertaining post considering you`re only advocating a change of ad agencies, lol.
The general population is aware our government is was and will be corrupt lol, only the Liberals are in denial.
Too funny cal, keep them coming.

#135 Real Canuck on 02.29.08 at 10:58 am

How was Cadman being offered an uncontested riding and covering of election costs any different than what Stephane Dion offered Garth to cross the floor? It’s well published Garth needed money to keep working…. suddenly became a liberal.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. If you only knew …. — Garth

#136 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 11:00 am

By Geminesse on 02.29.08 10:52 am

An insurance policy is an insurance policy. It is not a bank account, nor a trust fund or anything else. Ms. Cadman said, ‘all Mr. Cadman had to do was sign a single sheet of paper’. There is no way the CPC could have ‘deposited’ a million dollars undetected anywhere. Even Chuck said ‘all that was offered was that one thing’. In reference to an unopposed seat.

I think you should all ask Mr. Dion to make those accusations outside the HoC as fact. So far as I know of the politicos…only Garth has?

Wonder why?

Leasa

#137 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 11:08 am

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 10:24 am

Well, son of a gun, Bob knows how to spell ‘morals’. Now, Bob, go look up the meaning, and it is not Falwell’s Moral Majority…which is NEITHER!’

(Another sexually frustrated, prostrated, mindless neo-con worried about everyone else’s standing, but his own!)

BTW, I think I will promote a Bill that taxes all churches over a congregation of 200 as a For Profit Business! Like that idea Bob?

#138 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 11:09 am

Did Karzai really sucker us? Or was it Harper? Didn’t the CPC write Karzai’s speech?

By Gord on 02.29.08 10:46 am

Darn good point Gord!

#139 Pecked to Death by Ducks on 02.29.08 at 11:19 am

The ducks are quacking today…

How are the interests of Canadians being advanced by this? It’s just another diversion.

Meanwhile, inflation marches on. In America, people are now borrowing on their Pension Plans to pay their bills.
Nevermind the bird in the hand, they’re eating the Nest-Egg.

Regarding that tax-free savings plan – if you put away $5000 at current inflation rate, you will be left with $730 purchasing power in 25 years.
(info from U.S. Bespoke Investment Group)

#140 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 11:26 am

Yep,even an old fool like Billy Muskrat thinks it’s ok obviously to promote homosexual acts with taxpayers money,and that adults having sexual relations with children is ok.Good position to pick your battle on,as you type this in your darkened basement.

#141 AM in BC on 02.29.08 at 11:27 am

Garth, I watched Russ Hiebert on CPAC giving a coherent and complete summary to the House on the Mulroney-Schreiber Ethics Committee Meetings. Amazing – he did an incredible job of it *without notes*. Hope you’ll mention to him how much this Canadian appreciates his contributions to the Committee and to Parliament.

I’m looking forward to their investigation of the Cadman affair.

#142 Maude Webb on 02.29.08 at 11:31 am

Maybe the lieberals could get Mark Holland to dig up Mr.Cadman’s body so they could have him as another star witness at one of their “committees” that find out nothing.They seem to stoop at nothing to get headlines that deflect the fact that they have done nothing but sit on their asses for two years,and after next week,it will carry on into three years.Pathetic.

BY BOB R. ON 02.28.08 10:06 PM

That is absolutely despicable. Does this person actually believe he is being funny? It is a gross disrespect to Mr. Cadman’s memory and to his family. You owe them both an apology. UGH!!!

#143 K Murphy on 02.29.08 at 11:32 am

I am most curious to see what happens to the candidancy of Dona Cadman as a member of the Conservative party. She strikes me as being an honest, forthright and sincere person throughout the media attention in this matter. Something has to give on the government side…betcha there won’t be so many polls done in the next few days, will there? I predict that PMSH and the Conservatives are in a tailspin and that their national numbers will plummet.

#144 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 11:34 am

Off topic, but informative: Inside Canada’s Aftermarket

An interesting comparison between Americans and Canadians on consumption and marketing attitudes.

#145 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 11:37 am

By not again on 02.29.08 10:56 am

Hey, Rope, how goes it? New handle, eh?

(Psst your url is the same BTW)

#146 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 11:37 am

They actually dealt with your question.

They are WAY off their game.

A decent lawyer should be able to argue that without proof during those interviews Cadman was under duress.

#147 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 11:40 am

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 10:24 am

Despicable and reprehensible.

Are Cronenberg and Egoyan pornographers or child molesters Bob?

Would you please be so kind as to let us know which pornographers and child molesters the government is funding with our tax dollars?

If there is a problem, I’m sure you would like to identify it. I highly doubt you will get any opposition from here to removing government funds from pornographers and child molesters.

While you are at, would you expound on your defintion of pornography?

#148 Irene on 02.29.08 at 11:41 am

How hadn’t anyone come up with Cadscam yet?

Maybe someone did but I didn’t see it, and I think it is just perfect.

Unless something better is proposed then that’s what I’m rolling with.

h/t Nastyboy

By Markus D. on 02.29.08 1:12 am

Good Morning Markus, yes, Jennifer did here
http://www.runsesmith.blogspot.com

#149 Irene on 02.29.08 at 11:44 am

Bad link. Try this again

http://www.runesmith.blogspot.com/

This should work.

Cheers

#150 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 11:44 am

Ed,If I would get no opposition for it,then why are we having this conversation?

#151 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 11:47 am

By K Murphy on 02.29.08 11:32 am

Imagine the conundrum, if she isn’t booted from the party…

Who do you recommend people vote for in the next election, the honest forthright, sincere Conservative candidate, or the other guy?

Tough choice, eh?

#152 brain on 02.29.08 at 11:48 am

Yeah… I guess these shiny New Cons are want to have us believe the widow Cadman and her daughter are lying while Harper is pure as the driven snow…

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/29/cadman-daughter.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wcad20228/BNStory/National/home

Its not the first time Harpers been caught in a lie.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/02/28/4882626-cp.html

Flarehty bribes his own riding.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wtrain29/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostview

It seems that Flarhety also likes to tell major stretchers as well…

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wdrohan0229/BNStory/robColumnsBlogs/?cid=al_gam_nletter_maropen

And it looks like science will take another hit. There won’t be any other Canadian shows like “The Nature of Things” any time soon under Harper. Doesn’t fit in the warm fuzzy creationist theories floating around. And why does the Canadian film industry need financial support? Try Hollywood and the high dollar. The odd dullard is really missing it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wculture29/BNStory/National/?cid=al_gam_nletter_newsUp

Looks like its back to dumping Afghan detainee’s (Pushtin’s/Pashto’s) to the Northern Alliance (Dari/Zorastians) again. Torture, er, I mean, business as usual.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080229/afghan_detainees_080229/20080229?hub=TopStories

#153 pjw on 02.29.08 at 11:49 am

betcha there won’t be so many polls done in the next few days, will there? I predict that PMSH and the Conservatives are in a tailspin and that their national numbers will plummet.

By K Murphy on 02.29.08 11:32 am

I doubt that, I don’t give Canadians that much credit. They are still going to vote for either the Libs on Cons no matter how unaccountable they are…so does it matter what the polls say? You can see on here no one has change their opinion, so I suspect they will vote the same way. Canadians obviously dislike transparency and accoutability and honesty from their governments.

#154 Smokingjoe on 02.29.08 at 11:51 am

Final Analyses:

Let me get this right..Mrs. Cadman and her daughter are liars….Mrs. Cadman is running for a Reform/CONservative candidacy…Harpo is still supporting her candidacy…. so the CONS are supporting someone who they say is a LIAR???? New slogan for the next campaign…VOTE for our candidates we maybe liars, but we are honest about it?

#155 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 11:52 am

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 11:26 am

So, Bob, in your world, there is no such thing as homosexuality? The arts, which include film and stage, provide insights to reality. Try grasping some at the next opportunity.

BTW, speaking of basements (I do not have one) how is yours? Got a TV handy so you can get your daily fix of Far Right Religion? You’d love Afghanistan. Why not enlist today and go where your views are truly appreciated. You can assist in killing those who you do not agree have an equal right to life, liberty, freedom of religion, and happiness.

BTW, can you drive a truck? I hear they have lots of openings for such skills!

Must be Hell waiting for the Rapture, eh?

Oh, just a note…Entrance Requirements require a spiritual belief for admission, not a Church Membership Card. You’ ll love the secure ID God came up with…there is this little special invisible ID written in the heart of those who are truly God’s.

Look inside carefully and see if you have the proper pass code?

If not you will know what the word SHAME truly means Bob!

#156 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 11:54 am

By Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 11:40 am

Yes, I, too, am waiting for that list where they were funded. I bet McVety has it right next to his own collection?

#157 Harry S on 02.29.08 at 11:54 am

As I understand the situation, Cadman had to make one of two decisions:

1. Vote against the Martin Liberal government and go into an election. Cadman was concerned he would lose his Parliamentary life insurance if he died during an election, when nobody is apparently covered when on the hustings. Cadman also knew his life was measured in days, not weeks or months.

2. Vote for the Martin government and prolong Parliament, knowing he would most likely die when on the job, and his beneficiaries would get the insurance money. Apparently, principled Cadman chose this course.

Then who comes along in 2005, but some CPC operatives who assure him they will cover Cadman with a Million$$$ life insurance policy should he die during the election campaign, and most likely if he lost his riding. As I have suggested, one can purchase a Million$$$ life insurance policy for a one time premium of say $1,005,000 and everybody is happy.

Cadman decided to play it safe and supported the Martin government and then died as an MP with full Parliamentary insurance coverage.

If Cadman was so principled, why didn’t he report this bribery attempt, but instead covered it up when interviewed by the media?? Perhaps he didn’t give a sh!t by then as the cancer imposed itself on his body. Quite understandable.

Well that’s my speculation, and now Harper will be held accountable for his complicity in this affair.

#158 not again on 02.29.08 at 11:56 am

Hey, Rope, how goes it? New handle, eh?
(Psst your url is the same BTW)
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 11:37 am

Good work Bill but I wasn`t hiding, just thinking the whole thing is so hilarious I needed an appropriate handle. If Chuck could chuckle he sure would be right now hence laughingly `not again` which of course dates back through the complete history of Ottawa. This of course it what makes it so funny on this site but not so funny in the eyes of the majority of Cdns.
As you recall one of the stipulations to restore investor confidence is reestablishing the rule of law.
The Pacific Gateway project is a non-starter, no investment, none for Ontario either and the feds off load the job on the provinces but everyone here is too entertained by decades of corruption.
rofl, I hear our federal politicians are saying Cdns have their fingers in their ears so they can`t hear the ongoing gong. Actually were just doing it to find out how the political hacks can touch their finger tips together.

#159 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 11:59 am

Interesting

its called progressive life insurance

this place…

http://www.mostchoice.com/progressive-life-insurance.cfm

is taking quotes for as short as a year.

#160 give me a break on 02.29.08 at 12:00 pm

Exactly the same as Emerson and probably a darn sight more!

But let me rephrase, being given a cabinet post assumes you are going to have to work for the extra pay!

To receive the bribe, all you have to do is stand.

By James- Chatham on 02.29.08 10:40 am

Emerson resolved the softwood issue.
Didn’t hold the deciding vote on anything so far.

Belinda wrote the liberal pink book.

#161 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 12:03 pm

heh

did I miss it or did Ritz welch on his promise to get the barley bill in by the end of the month?

#162 Brent Fullard on 02.29.08 at 12:04 pm

Why an insurance policy?

http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-insurance-policy-why-not-cash.html

#163 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 12:09 pm

Harper’s Permanent Record

Party has faced previous allegations

Just over a year ago, a judge ordered the Conservatives to pay $50,000 to a former candidate who agreed to step aside in last January’s election in favour of a big-name recruit.

A year ago, the Liberals produced records suggesting Stockwell Day, now public safety minister, spent or intended to spend public and party funds to pay former MP Jim Hart to quit in 2000.

Under the Criminal Code, it is illegal to seek a favour by offering a federal or provincial politician an inducement.

And those are just the ones listed. Stephen Harper, just like his bozom buddy Bush, is a pathological LIAR! Probably a pre-requisite for the job by the Backroom Boys of the CRAP real leadership.

#164 brain on 02.29.08 at 12:14 pm

Funny, what the defense of the Conservatives is. They talk of a media clip of Chuck Cadman saying the only offer he recieved was from the Shiny New Cons as proof that Harper is clean because Cadman didn’t offer the details of what that offer was. Thats a laugh considering he died 5 days after the budget vote and was likely to sick to talk to anyone about much of anything, especially the details except to his own family.

These are sad days for the New Cons to go with this as their best defense against the words of Cadmans immediate family. What other defenses have they got? Ah yes, it was the Liberals that decided a book on Cadmans life was written and that the timing of the book was Liberal induced! And the laughable insurance policy that no one could ever offer.

Hate to break it to the Shiny New Cons but any CEO of any insurance company can give a life insurance policy to whomever they like. The motive to do so comes easily if Harper stays with his NCC agenda to dismantle universal helathcare paving the way to U.S. insurance company penetration of Canada’s medical insurance sector. CEO’s don’t need shareholder approval to do it and the bribe counts as a tax write off. Under NAFTA, any North American CEO of any North American insurance corp could have offered such a proposal and considering Harpers presidency with the NCC, its not hard to extrapolate how easily Harper could have enticed a CEO or group of CEO’s to do it.

Its sad watching the Cons scramble now… James Moore mis-speaks every time he opens his mouth in defense that there was no financial compensation offered when clearly there was as indicated on Harper’s tape. Its just a matter of how much and since the Shiny New Cons took their papers with them, its going to come down to words. The words of Harper & Co. vs. the words of the Cadman family. Considering Ms. Cadman is running for a federal Con riding there is no incentive for the Cadmans to lie… but there sure is a ton of incentive for Harper and Co. to do so.

I have every faith in Canadians to do whats right morally the next time we go to the polls.

#165 brain on 02.29.08 at 12:16 pm

By Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 11:40 am

Excellent point, Ed. Yes, Bob R, please site examples. As a proud and caring father who lets your kids watch TV all day, your children should be able to help you out.

#166 not again on 02.29.08 at 12:16 pm

ipnightly

Are you related to Ralph the leak Goodale?

#167 kpn on 02.29.08 at 12:21 pm

Garth, I watched Russ Hiebert on CPAC giving a coherent and complete summary to the House on the Mulroney-Schreiber Ethics Committee Meetings. Amazing – he did an incredible job of it *without notes*. Hope you’ll mention to him how much this Canadian appreciates his contributions to the Committee and to Parliament.

I’m looking forward to their investigation of the Cadman affair.

By AM in BC on 02.29.08 11:27 am

I love your scarcasm AM.

#168 Grace on 02.29.08 at 12:27 pm

Garth,

I am so angry that I am seeing red. For a government who promised transparent and ethical governing, this is a new low.

Today I am reminded as to why I do not trust Mr. Harper. I am not sure why I am still surprised as to what Mr. Harper is capable of. You would have thought that I would have learned my lesson long time ago. But it still took me by surprise everytime.

I am so angry that I promise I would send another donation to LPC when I get home tonight. And unlike our Prime Minister’s promise of transparency and ethics, you can count on mine.

Grace

#169 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 12:34 pm

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 11:44 am

…because your verbal diarrhea needs to be cleaned up. It’s making a mess all over the blog…

#170 C. B. Innes on 02.29.08 at 12:40 pm

Maybe some of you are being too hard on the Conservative supporters.

It is very difficult for those who have build their party and especially their leader up for so long to realize that they may have been misguided.

The rest belong to the shady underlife of politics that seems to emerge in all parties mindlessly generating meaningless propaganda.

How many Liberals are still in denial over adscam? There are still PCs in denial over the shady dealing during the Mulroney period that drove so many members away from the party.

#171 CM on 02.29.08 at 12:42 pm

re Bill-Muskoka: “Bring our troops home.”

I second that emotion. Do it now. A report today said that the numbers of soldiers suffering from PTSD and other emotional illnesses has gone way up since Afghanistan. They are struggling to keep up with it as it is. Three more years (and it will be almost three if Stevie extends the date to the end of 2011) will see the numbers go through the roof. We’ve taken sides in a civil war and nobody is going to win – except the defense contractors.

Also, they’ve started to transfer detainees to Afghan prisons again. Apparently the Afghan authorities have had a “training course” so they know not to torture people anymore.

And if you believe that, I have some waterfront property in Florida I’d like to sell you.

Leasa – insurance policy? I think Karlheinz Schreiber had a pretty good idea about the Cons idea of an “insurance policy” – an envelope stuffed with cash. No deposits necessary. The Con party has plenty of rich backers who will stop at nothing to get what they want. Tom Flanagan must have absorbed Machiavelli’s “The Prince” with his formula when he was a baby and now uses it as his plan for living. It doesn’t matter what you do as long as you get the result you crave. It’s only wrong when it doesn’t work and the only regrets are for the failure of the scheme.

#172 CM on 02.29.08 at 12:44 pm

Almost three more years- after the 2009 original date for the end of the mission.

#173 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 12:47 pm

By Harry S on 02.29.08 11:54 am

Option 1 or 2:
The unkindest cut of all. I suppose there was no chance that he did what he thought was in the best interest of his community, is there?

I guess this falls in to the category of all politicians are crooks.

Your comments seem to be 180 degrees opposite of the original posts yesterday saying what an honourable, wonderful person he was.

If Cadman was so principled, why didn’t he report this bribery attempt, but instead covered it up when interviewed by the media?? Perhaps he didn’t give a sh!t by then as the cancer imposed itself on his body. Quite understandable.

We will never know, because he isn’t here to answer.

Perhaps though, he was sick, tired, and in pain. Perhaps he understood the stress and grief this would cause him and felt, with the knowledge that he was dying, that he just couldn’t take it.

Perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt…

#174 maybe Rhino? on 02.29.08 at 12:49 pm

OFF TOPIC

But I have believed and stated this several times before…

Green Jobs – The Future is Now
by Greg Haegele, Sierra Club on 02.29.08
Business & Politics

“Every morning I wake up to more bad economic news–increasing concern that we’re entering a recession, the credit crunch, and increases in energy prices.

And yet one industry is seeing growth despite the down times. The renewable energy industry is growing at a record pace…..”
(snip)
“All of these programs are examples of people saying, “We can do it!” and making a decision to move toward a clean energy future. These are such great examples of positive thinking and being proactive – just think about how much more we can do if we all work together.”

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/green_jobs_the.php

Climate change denial or not, the future is HERE NOW! And the bloody CPC are holding us back!!!

#175 Molly on 02.29.08 at 12:50 pm

Molly, do you honestly believe that Mike Harris helped to get an Insurance Company to lay their credibility on the line and criminally, buy off a dying politician with a million dollar life insurance company? I do hope the LP takes your suggestion seriously, and also accuse Mr. Harris of this in public.

Yeah, as Garth said: shame. Leasa

Get your glasses on, I didn’t say it was Mikey, I said Mikey and his cabinet ministers all have their fingers in the big private insurance pies. And a short term life ins. policy would be easy to swing with these kinds of people. They are racist, they are corrupted, in short they are perfectly capable!

It’ll be said outside the House soon enough, by others for now. Patience.

#176 canuck on 02.29.08 at 12:51 pm

PM’s story just doesn’t add up

hmmm… why aren’t there headlines in the news, “Liar, liar, pants on fire!” :-)

#177 pjw on 02.29.08 at 12:54 pm

Well that’s my speculation, and now Harper will be held accountable for his complicity in this affair.

By Harry S on 02.29.08 11:54 am

I give you credit for this statement, thanks for your honestly…rare among partisan people…Lib or Con….

#178 William Laidlaw on 02.29.08 at 1:01 pm

By pjw on 02.29.08 11:49 am
Actually, I would like to see some – and maybe I will live long enough to see it come to pass.

#179 maybe Rhino? on 02.29.08 at 1:01 pm

Why worry about direct Government influence in arts and media?

When Nature Won’t Cooperate in China, Photoshop!
by Alex Pasternack, Beijing, China on 02.28.08
Business & Politics (news)

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/fake_photo_tibet_railway_antelope_greenwashing.php

#180 Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 at 1:03 pm

For our Friends to the south and around the world!

Who is Ron Paul for presedent 2008.
Info. Video. 6min.
http://www.theoremaxim.com/

Have you heard about this?
Most Important Video on the Internet9min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3QmJNZMBeg&feature=related

#181 Gord on 02.29.08 at 1:07 pm

Maybe the lieberals could get Mark Holland to dig up Mr.Cadman’s body so they could have him as another star witness at one of their “committees” that find out nothing.They seem to stoop at nothing to get headlines that deflect the fact that they have done nothing but sit on their asses for two years,and after next week,it will carry on into three years.Pathetic.

BY BOB R. ON 02.28.08 10:06 PM

That is absolutely despicable. Does this person actually believe he is being funny? It is a gross disrespect to Mr. Cadman’s memory and to his family. You owe them both an apology. UGH!!!

By Maude Webb on 02.29.08 11:31 am

Garth,
You are to be congratulated on keeping a balance between freedom of speech and common decency. I noted that previously, in the interests of common decency, that Milton Mann was banned. Is Bob R. really Milton Man posting under a different name?

His postings are becoming similarly offensive and disgusting.

#182 Herb on 02.29.08 at 1:10 pm

Leasa, Bob R. and follow-on flights of the Troll Patrol –

as opposed to looking for bright shiny objects or spinning yourselves into the ground, why not point out the errors in fact or logic in my posts of 10:37 last night and 8:25 this morning.

Both merely cited the spoken word as recorded, and pointed out dots that even the RCMP could connect. So, get Harper of the hook, save your CPC, counter that evidence – or shut up!

#183 persona sine ingenio on 02.29.08 at 1:12 pm

Just a quick thought on the question of the government using the tax system to foster quality in the arts that is educational and uplifting.

I’m getting a message through my tin hat telling me to start storyboarding what could become the defining Canadian film of all time.

It will centre around the next CPC convention after PMSH gets his majority. It will take place in a picturesque regional town with a solid CPC demographic. It opens with an aircraft carrying the Prime Minister to the great event. Just as the plane approaches the airport the clouds will part and the awaiting crowds will wave and cheer for their hero. There will be an open car parade to the convention centre with people cheering and waving to the leader, with lots of CPC banners and watchful security personnel.

I think I will call it ‘Triumph of the Will’ – a fitting compliment to a man who has placed the achievement of power ahead of any other consideration; all for our own good you know.

Think I could get tax credits and funding for such an uplifting tribute?

#184 give me a break on 02.29.08 at 1:17 pm

Interesting

its called progressive life insurance

this place…

http://www.mostchoice.com/progressive-life-insurance.cfm

is taking quotes for as short as a year.

By Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 11:59 am

Progressive doesn’t pay out in the first 2 years. read the fine print in their tv ad.

#185 K Murphy on 02.29.08 at 1:17 pm

Who do you recommend people vote for in the next election, the honest forthright, sincere Conservative candidate, or the other guy?

Tough choice, eh?

By Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 11:47 am

My comment was intended to question whether or not Ms. Cadman will survive being the Conservative candidate – either by her choice or that of someone higher up in the party – not if the constituents would vote for her. I believe that regardless of which party she is the candidate – she is extremely electable. I just can’t see the biggies in the Conservative party not trying to get rid of her – she says what is on her mind and appears to be completely forthright – therefore, she won’t be one to tow the party line if she disagrees with it. Maybe she will decide to run as an Indie – that might be a first in Canada – two Indies elected in the same Riding and both were married to each other. I perceive both Chuck and Dona Cadman to be honest and honourable people; and whether I agree or not with their politics, they appear to be above reproach when tempted to behave otherwise. We need more Chuck Cadmans in this world…may he rest in peace and may all of us speak well of him.

#186 Harry S on 02.29.08 at 1:22 pm

By Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 12:47 pm

By Harry S on 02.29.08 11:54 am

Option 1 or 2:
The unkindest cut of all. I suppose there was no chance that he did what he thought was in the best interest of his community, is there?

>>> Nope .. Cadman I believe did it for the Parliamentary insurance policy .. plain and simple.<<>> Nope .. never said any such thing but others did.. and now they will have to live with it. What I do question is the ethics of the wife and daughter, because I have a gut feel that those two have a hidden agenda in all of this. <<<>> We have his taped interviews and it’s apparent he chose not to expose himself for fear of being branded a dying money-grubber. He did serve his constituents and I’m sure they don’t begrudge him the insurance money for his family. I question the author, the mother and daughter for their hidden agenda in all of this.<<>> Perhaps we should elect a majority Conservative government so the next ethics committee can dig into all of Chretien’ s and Martin’s shady dealings. There is still that missing $40 Million of Sponsorship money that the Gomery inquiry couldn’t find. Now that is something worthwhile that Canadians would want investigated, because I know I would. <<<
………………………………………………………………

You see Ed, I don’t condone any government or political corruption, and if some members of the CPC made inapproptiate advances to Cadman, they must be held accountable. The reason I want a majority Conservative government, is so that the blatant Liberal corruption of the past is exposed and the appropriate punishment meted out. I see the Dion Liberals as the remnants of those old Liberal regimes where some are still hiding out. A fully renewed Liberal party is necessary before they have my trust to govern Canada again. I have voted Liberal in the past, but not for this current bunch of villains.

#187 David Bakody on 02.29.08 at 1:23 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, I speak without predigest wrt the following thoughts that passed thru my mind sitting in Tim’s on Sunny quiet afternoon.

This latest revelation involving Steve Haprer and Co. is truly a sad state of affair. These people have ruined the good names of their families and most of all their children. Most if not all Canadians and others who read Canadian news know this: No wife and daughter who has loved and lost a husband and father to cancer would lie. Now whatever OJ style of defence these people put up will been seen as just that. Politicians have two strikes against them (perhaps unfairly) when they enter the arena. There are many good politicians in this country and around the world, but those who rule rather than govern have all fallen in disgrace. As a retired senior having worked all my life I have seen many rise to the top via the backstabbing route only to be scared to death causing them to not trust anyone while blaming others rather than taking responsibility for their actions. “Bad judgement comes from the lack of experience, and good judgement comes from experience” These people lack both and if this is not the last nail in their self produced coffin then it is some close. Any person who posts on this website who has anytime on the deck plates (work place) must have seen these types of leaders/managers fail or worst been their unfair line of fire. So please do not try and defend their actions, Canada and Canadians deserve better, our children and grandchildren deserve even more. It would be best if these people, come clean, fold up their tent and move on. If they are half as smart as they think they are then some company sanp em up if not they will they will soon be forgotten.

#188 not again on 02.29.08 at 1:24 pm

maybe Rhino? on 02.29.08 12:49 pm

I`m not sure if injecting $4B into a $12T economy will save the world from GW.
I note that BC is increasing its water generated 0 emission electricity by 25%. That will certainly make BC industry globally completive with the coal burners being built in China but then BC is giving the new carbon tax to the banks while high pollution aluminum smelters are exempt. I believe Garth referred to that as `forward looking`.
Not than any of this is important when there`s so many interesting things going on politically.
btw do you have any idea how political hacks can put their fingers in their ears and still touch finger tips?

#189 Doug on 02.29.08 at 1:27 pm

Canadians obviously dislike transparency and accoutability and honesty from their governments.

By pjw on 02.29.08 11:49 am

Sorry but I forget what what transparency and accoutability in government would be like.This may go back a long time.

#190 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 1:33 pm

AHA! Looks like another scandal is in the frying pan. Gee, I wonder who’s finger prints and DNA will be on the forged documents?

Ontario court orders newspaper to hand over sensitive documents

The Ontario Court of Appeal has ordered the National Post newspaper to hand over a document and envelope that could reveal the identity of an individual who tried to “undermine the authority” of former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.

The ruling came as a blow to several media organizations – including The Globe and Mail – who had argued that handing over the documents would put a chill into the relationship between journalists and their sources – regardless of whether the material in the National Post case was a forgery.

Methinks the FLOOD GATES are opened, and there will be more. I also think Dion has known, and when the flood has passed, there will be no more CPC, or Stephen Harper. All the Liberals have to do is as I do…’Sit on the bank of the river and wait for the body of the enemy to float by!’

#191 Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 at 1:33 pm

None of this can be good for Canadians.

Canada’s current account in deficit
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wcurrent29/BNStory/energy/

A nation of sellouts?
http://www.thestar.com/article/306336

It might be ok for the short term if you have lots of extra money to put into corporate stocks. But were will the Countries wealth come from if the future? How are people going to pay for the stuff they need to live, like food let alone imported stuff? We can make it here, but the corporarion want to max out there short term profits now.
So they move the jobs off short.
This is bad long term planing for most the the people. Even the off shore jobs have less safe gaurds for workers and people exposure to toxic chemicals at work, there homes/neighbour hoods, food and water suppies. Were will it all end?

Is constant growth just a really bad plan? Cna it real be sustainable on our one planet and billions of people?

Should take the time to see this movie.

The Most IMPORTANT Video You’ll Ever See (part 1 of 8) (~9min each part).
‘Arithmatic, population and energy’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY&feature=related

What to learn more about climate change.
see ‘How It All Ends’ 10min video
http://www.youtube.com/user/wonderingmind42

You know about peak-oil right?

A good movie to see is,
http://www.oilcrashmovie.com/

Ottawa Peak Oil Awareness Website
http://www.crudeawakening.net/

Only 30 years of oil left maybe.
The world used 1 cubic mile of oil last year.

Are you ready?
Are you informed?
Are you a critical-thinker?
Do you care about your family and other human beings?
what kind of future that is coming?
Time is growing short to act! So we need to start NOW! Tell people, take action personally and collectavely.
You can do it, we can all help!

#192 James- Chatham on 02.29.08 at 1:37 pm

Emerson resolved the softwood issue.

By give me a break on 02.29.08 12:00 pm

I believe the word you meant to use when describing Mr. Emerson’s “resolution” of softwood lumber is one of the following:

capitulated,
surrendered,
sold out,
cowered,
not to mention paid the US. for the priviledge.

Oh, and didn’t I hear rumblings with housing downturn in the US. that softwood lumber insudtry down there were starting to make noises again! So much for a solution!

Give us all a break!

#193 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 1:44 pm

More SHAME…This time on Flaherty!

New poll suggests Canadians side with McGuinty in feud with Flaherty

A new poll suggests Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has a lot of public support in his continuing feud with federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty.

The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey looked at the war of words between the two politicians, in which Mr. McGuinty accuses Mr. Flaherty of concentrating too much on the oil-and-gas sector, and giving short shrift to troubled manufacturers.

Nationally, the poll suggests 47 per cent of respondents sided with Mr. McGuinty, with only 27 per cent backing Mr. Flaherty.

In Ontario, the poll found 56 per cent support for the Premier and 25 per cent for the minister.

#194 Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 at 1:52 pm

Hi Charles Oxley on 02.29.08 12:40 am

If you sold someone WMD you might think that they have them still and could find them after the face.

Who has the most WMD and a large modern standing army? Amys are tools of Brut force to try and get your own why.

The weapons of war kill human beings!

Glad bullys in school yards aren’t allowed to have guns.
How is it that adult sosiopathes get and control these tools of death and destruction?
Maybe because good people of this world let them or don’t tell them NO!?

#195 A.R.Wainwright on 02.29.08 at 1:52 pm

I think I will call it ‘Triumph of the Will’ – a fitting compliment to a man who has placed the achievement of power ahead of any other consideration; all for our own good you know.

Think I could get tax credits and funding for such an uplifting tribute?

By persona sine ingenio on 02.29.08 1:12 pm

In a heart beat. Cosigned by Harper “His Magnificence”, himself.

#196 Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 at 1:56 pm

If the parties of the NAFTA deal think there are problems, why not try to improve it for the benafit of all the people. Why does PMSH intimate that reopening the trade deal is a bad thing to think about? Who is he really working and looking out for?

#197 Barb on 02.29.08 at 1:59 pm

Here we go everybody.National Post ordered to turn over forged document,Shawinigate on the rise.

#198 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 2:00 pm

Progressive doesn’t pay out in the first 2 years. read the fine print in their tv ad.

By give me a break on 02.29.08 1:17 pm

I’m already covered, thanks. Just digging.

#199 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 2:03 pm

Yep,as expected Brain,Ed,and Old Musky are outraged that someone thinks tax payer funded pornography and adults having sexual relations with kids is wrong.Like I said..good battle you picked to defend yourselves with.Please continue renewing your Lieberal party membership,and venture out of your dark creepy basements once in a while to see how normal people live and think.(That would be anyone but Lieberals)

#200 not again on 02.29.08 at 2:04 pm

Nationally, the poll suggests 47 per cent of respondents sided with Mr. McGuinty, with only 27 per cent backing Mr. Flaherty.

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 1:44 pm

Disappointing only half of Cdns know the responsibility for international investors is a federal responsibility, lol, obviously none here in BC as we`re going it alone.

#201 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 2:04 pm

Canada’s current account in deficit

By Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 1:33 pm

uh oh.

#202 DoryD on 02.29.08 at 2:10 pm

Phony grassroots groups peddle Conservative propaganda

Canadians for Afghanistan and Friends of Science have connections to Harper’s political agenda

Ottawa (28 Feb. 2008) – Before he became prime minister, Stephen Harper headed the National Citizens Coalition (NCC), a pioneering wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing outfit that championed conservative causes while posing as a grassroots organization.

The NCC was founded more than 40 years ago by the late Colin Brown, a cranky insurance millionaire who sensed populism could be faked and milked for political impact. He’d approve of the tactics Harper is using in Ottawa today.

Over its many years, the NCC has poured millions of murky dollars into billboard campaigns, national newspaper ads and Supreme Court challenges on behalf of right-wing causes, never once identifying the “citizens” it speaks for or allowing anyone to view its list of donors. The suspicion has always been that corporations fund the lion’s share of its activities.

The NCC is a model that right-wing groups have used repeatedly and, with a federal election again looming, the concept is being put to use once again by the Harperites.

Two suspect groups

Two recent examples of groups sporting a phony independence while pushing causes in line with the Harper re-election campaign are Canadians for Afghanistan (CFA) and Friends of Science (FOS).

CFA is supporting the Conservative plan to extend Canada’s mission in Afghanistan to 2011 while FOS is dedicated to debunking global warming and thus shoring up weak Conservative environmental policies.

While claiming independence, both groups include, or are influenced by, partisan associates or former operatives of the Harper Conservatives.

Canadians for Afghanistan describes itself as a coalition of students and young people. However, the Ottawa Citizen reports that one of the key operatives behind the recently-unveiled group is Josh McJannet.

While others did the talking, as the group introduced itself to parliamentary media, McJannet sat out of sight, a few metres away in a briefing room. He later admitted to being on the group’s “steering committee” but declined to answer questions about his role.

Until last September, McJannet was a Conservative staff member in the office of Conservative Whip Jay Hill. Before that he worked for Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer. When he left the hill, he became a lobbyist with Summa Strategies, a firm that counts defence contractors such as the Boeing aerospace giant among its clients.

Swiss cheese law

McJannet was able to move with ease into the lobbying world because of a Swiss cheese loophole inserted by the Conservatives into their much touted Federal Accountability Act.

Instead of preventing Parliament Hill staffers from cashing in on political connections, as its name suggests, and as Harper promised, the law exempts “parliamentary” aides from any cooling off period at all, allowing them to move directly to the lobbying jobs.

Meanwhile, CanWest News reports that Morten Paulsen, a volunteer member of the Conservative’s 2006 election team, was on the payroll as a communications consultant to FOS, an Alberta-based lobby group formed several years to oppose Canada’s participation in the Kyoto agreement.

Paulsen is a long-time conservative organizer with roots in the Reform and Canadian Alliance parties, the political predecessors of the current Conservative party. He served as a volunteer spokesman for the Conservatives at the same time he was being paid by the lobby group.

As a result, a complaint has been filed with Elections Canada because the group bought ads in five key Ontario markets during the 2006 federal election campaign without registering as a third party. The party and group deny any official connection between them but it is a claim that critics call absurd.

In 2006, Paulsen was registered as a lobbyist for the group and for two oil and gas companies. He is now a senior vice-president with Fleishman-Hillard Canada, a company that on its website makes yet another Conservative connection involving Paulsen. He co-chaired the 2006 Alberta provincial Conservative convention.

Accountability

Saying one thing and doing another has always been a part of politics. But the Harper Conservatives have taken it to new levels. In Harper’s Ottawa, accountability is for his opponents. For Conservatives it’s mostly a talking point.

NUPGE

The National Union of Public and General Employees (NUPGE)

#203 pjw on 02.29.08 at 2:10 pm

By Harry S on 02.29.08 1:22 pm

I would like to see an independent government who would look into all you have described, to do otherwise would only have the smell of partisan politics about it. In my opinion, neither deserve to govern so how about we find a new way, devoid of parties, all independents…and let’s establish stringent ethics and accountability on this new form of government. No more vote buying or brown paper bags! It is our money after all!

#204 pjw on 02.29.08 at 2:13 pm

By Doug on 02.29.08 1:27 pm

Exactly Doug, so let’s turf them all out on their ear and get someone in there who is honest, ethical and accountable!

#205 maybe Rhino? on 02.29.08 at 2:25 pm

By not again on 02.29.08 1:24 pm

I tried to not tie the article to GW on purpose. The point is, others are moving forward developing “tomorrow’s technologies”, while Canada spins our wheels and tries to cover up by under funding band-aid solutions.

Consider this:

“Canadian Federal Budget Misses Green Opportunity While U.S. Makes Renewable Energy Push”

http://www.cansia.ca/solarcurrents/SolarCurrents_February_2008.html#area1

Both present and future development on environmentally friendly solutions to man made problems provide opportunities that Canada is missing out on.

But, the CPC deny, deny, deny there are good reasons to fund repair of any problems that can be solved.

“A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step”.

#206 Chris Ariens on 02.29.08 at 2:27 pm

A very prophetic article on the situation in the U.S. today, which is not that different from our own.

Stephen Studdert, a White House advisor for four U.S. Presidents says that America is on the verge of financial and political upheval.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695256995,00.html

Studdert said the American political system today is rife with problems.

“It is rife with politicians who are not statesman; it’s rife with politicians who stand for nothing but their own re-election,” said Studdert. “There is irresponsibility and intellectual dishonesty.”

Studdert blamed much of the dishonesty on the amount of money involved in the nation’s political system.

#207 Harry S on 02.29.08 at 2:31 pm

Re: By Harry S on 02.29.08 1:22 pm
…………………………………

I apologize for stringing out my posting by including Ed Brook’s comments and my responses … but could you at least edit my message so that it is not so garbled.

I believe Brooks will agree with me on that one. Thanks.

#208 David Bakody on 02.29.08 at 2:32 pm

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 1:33 pm

Bill, how many times have we either said or heard someone say “Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves Once again every dictator has met his Waterloo, why should this one be any different. This issue will not go away, perhaps Garth, will share just how nasty it will be in the CPC caucus tent. Oh to be a fly on these wall bye. October 2009 will be seen as a life time away, me bets many don`t make it before they emblode

#209 not again on 02.29.08 at 2:32 pm

Canada’s current account in deficit
…
Greg 02.29.08 1:33 pm

uh oh.

Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 2:04 pm

“The mighty loonie is carving deeply into Canada’s net trade performance, with more to come despite record commodity prices,”

real big uh oh
This is the last quarter for `record commodity prices`, here`s why.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080229/economy.html

Consumer Spending Stalls in January

Other than two negative months in August and September of 2005, which reflected the disruptions from Hurricane Katrina, inflation-adjusted consumer spending has not been so weak since November and December of 2001, when the country was struggling to emerge from the last recession.

#210 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 2:33 pm

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 2:03 pm

Have you always been such a totall ASS, or did you recently graduate from the Harper Death Star School of BULLSHIT?

Neither I, not anyone else here would ever condone child pornography…in any form, format, and purpose.

I suppose, in your McVety ruled world taking pics of your own kids in the bath tub is porn as well?

You are one sick SOB Bob.

I bet you can hardly look at your own tiny little dick without feeing guilt?

You started off attacking the Gay community, now its onto child porn. Same old tactics, change course the moment you have lost the debate.

You are the reason the churches are EMPTYING. People are smarter than you, and believe in honesty and fairness. Some of those things we learned from the real God, not some fat assed phoney in a pulpit spuing hate.

Read about your demise in ‘The Great Awakening: Revivng Faith & Politics in a Post Religious Right America.’ by Jim Wallis. Your day has come and gone.

But, I waste my typing skills. Arseholes like you are impervious to reality. Carry on.

#211 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 2:36 pm

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 1:33 pm

Oh Bill…how are ya? You should not be happy about this at all. Do you forget who was trying with malice and vengeance to unseat Mr. Chretien while he was a ‘sitting Prime Minister’? Think hard Bill…Does Paul Martin and his minions ring a bell? LOL

“Assuming the document was forged, either the forger or some other person sent it to the National Post to create controversy and undermine the authority of a sitting Prime Minister of Canada,” it said. “The National Post itself admitted that if the document was forged, it would be evidence of a criminal conspiracy to force a duly elected Prime Minister from office.”

#212 Kevin M on 02.29.08 at 2:41 pm

… that sure sounded like the parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Public Works called you a liar without even talking to Harper to even ask if the allegation was true.

I guess getting the facts before responding doesn’t matter to the CPC these days.

Sure was a rowdy bunch in QP today too – and you can hear someone saying ‘scumbag’ in the background of your question.

Not very… parliamentary.

#213 Calberta on 02.29.08 at 2:42 pm

For those Canadians seeking accountability the question is clear: which party can deliver
the change of government that’s needed to ensure political accountability in
Ottawa? We need a change of government to replace old style politics
with a new vision. We need to replace a culture of entitlement and
corruption with a culture of accountability. We need to replace
benefits for a privileged few with government for all.
Everyday Canadians – the hardworking people who pay their
taxes and play by the rules – want and deserve a new government
that will put the people’s interest ahead of self-interest. And this
election provides them with a chance to tell Harper’s Ottawa that
they’ve had enough; that they’re tired of being forgotten; that it’s
finally their turn.
Here is another good quote to remember and laugh about!
It’s time for Harper to take his own advice if he had ANY integrity and resign!

#214 Greg on 02.29.08 at 2:50 pm

I think that Mr. Martin knew bullshit when he read it. Period. Otherwise, he would have LOVED to nail Mr. Harper with this, or even have one of his cohorts do it for him. We are talking a full year here. Not a few days.

Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 10:55 am

Did Paul Martin make you his official spokesperson, or are you just reading tea leaves again?

#215 Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 at 2:50 pm

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 2:03 pm
Yep,as expected Brain,Ed,and Old Musky are outraged that someone thinks tax payer funded pornography and adults having sexual relations with kids is wrong.

more diarrhea…reprehensible, despicable…

you are wrong on so many counts:

I have a membership in the Conservative Party, and have never been a member of or voted for the Liberal Party.

I’m not outraged, you are. And, I would agree with anyone who thinks that sex with children is wrong.

I do not believe the government should fund pornography.

I’m still waiting for your examples of government funded pornography.

Bob, I’m looking for a reason for your verbal diarrhea; were you abused as a child? You really are outrageous.

You really are beneath contempt. But hey, keep it up. I’m sure your shining example of sterling moral character will attract someone to your side.

#216 Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 at 2:50 pm

Wind Power in Paradise (artical)
How an international team of engineers brought wind power to the Galápagos Islands.
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/mar08/6020

#217 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 2:52 pm

By DoryD on 02.29.08 2:10 pm

Excellent comment, and thank you for the research.

You reminded me of a point I wanted to make earlier.

There are tens of thousands of Federal employees, all who have various levels of ‘confidential knowledge’, i.e., ‘secrets’, and if Harper thinks he is so powerful as to prevent honest people from blowing the whistle, he is schizophrenic.

As the flood gates have opened, I expect there to be many ‘revelations’ come forth, and with documentation, i.e., PROOF, of the ongoings within this pissant excuse for democratic government.

The news media will have to followup on those ‘tips’ or find themselves embarassed when their competitors break the stories. In fact with the internet, the MSM has to report or it will be posted on the Net.

People, especially those with a common interest (such as union members), get a tad pissed when they see acts like the Harper government has done to their fellow employees. Firings without cause. Shuffling of people . Silencing of people, such as our scientists, etc.

Hell is going to be paid, and it will become ‘V’ for Vendetta, with Harper looking like the dictatorial prick he truly is…Just like in the movie.

You have exemplified some of the realities.Again, I thank you on behalf of all honest Canadians.

#218 Harry S on 02.29.08 at 2:58 pm

By pjw on 02.29.08 2:10 pm … in response to:

By Harry S on 02.29.08 1:22 pm (to save Garth’s bandwidth)
……………………..

pjw, I think you will agree that the current ethics committee has the smell of partisan politics about it.

My concern and disgust is watching the opposition parties dredging into the past in a patent attempt to smear the sitting government and then proclaiming they are not fit to govern. I don’t think a totally negative campaign will work for Dion. Do you ??

The only way I can see the Liberal party renewing itself is sitting out at least 4 years and opposing a majority Conservative government. Those who cry about Harper changing Canada only reveal their self-interest, be it a government contract or one’s lifestyle predilections. Four years of Conservative majority government can be reversed by a renewed Liberal party in government. Harper doesn’t have a lock on government and neither should the Liberals as we have learned to our dismay.

I don’t believe an all-independent system can fit into a parliamentary system … only a republic. Canada will never become a republic because all those aboriginal treaties were signed with the Queen … and once a republic where all citizens are considered ‘equal’, poof goes the aboriginal treaties. Aboriginals would secede from a Republique du Canada.

As for brown paper bags, the biggest one out there is the $40 Million unaccounted for Sponsorship loot … followed by the $10 Million of Schreiber’s “schmeirgelder’. I would love to know where all those Million$$$ were distributed regardless of who get’s named..!!

Nevertheless, all this current fooferah will not materially affect any next election because desperate Canadians tend to be forward looking and just want to know: What’s in it for me. In any next election, if Dion attempts to drag Harper down into the 1993 Schreiber and 2005 Cadman cesspools, he will only cover himself in that mire. Liberals must have the credibility to sell Canadians on their policies, not some smear-mongering mire. Do you think Dion is capable of that??

#219 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 2:58 pm

Other than two negative months in August and September of 2005, which reflected the disruptions from Hurricane Katrina, inflation-adjusted consumer spending has not been so weak since November and December of 2001, when the country was struggling to emerge from the last recession.

By not again on 02.29.08 2:32 pm

I thought we had another quarter left in us. Guess its time to find out how hardwired this is to government revenues.

#220 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 3:01 pm

Studdert blamed much of the dishonesty on the amount of money involved in the nation’s political system.

By Chris Ariens on 02.29.08 2:27 pm

He is correct. The U.S. electoral system is rift with corruption. It also runs too long, and costs way too much. Ideally, the government should fund the elections and each candidate gets an equal sum, and that is ALL they get. Additionally, the broadcast industry should be mandated to provide free debates and a reasonable number of campaign ads as part of their license agreements. All candidates should be allowed to participate who represent at least 8% of the voters. It has become a multi-billion dollar industry that neither serves nor protects democracy.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a Congress and Senate made up of citizens, who would serve for a term or two, and then return to their civilian endeavours. They never envisioned those seats as being a career, especially the House of Representatives.

The situation now is ripe for corruption because corporations are allowed to make campaign contributions, which is, in reality, nothing more than buying influence. An act which is ILLEGAL in Canada, but the U.S. has never had the guts to truly deal with the issue.

Thus, the corporations fund their person and protectionistic laws are passed which are unfair to the average citizen, and honest competition.

#221 Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 at 3:01 pm

Will this be a good thing???
Could there be negative effects to or ability to get uncensoured news?
Will a few control the meany?
Who will decide?
Will we have a choise?
Could it be abused?

People Who Read This Article Also Read…

The recommendation systems that suggest books at Amazon and movies at Netflix will soon bring you personalized news

The newspaper, that daily chronicle of human events, is undergoing the most momentous transformation in its ­centuries-old history.
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/mar08/6019

#222 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 3:05 pm

anyone know where the heck this second interview with Cadman is?

I’ve seen the Duffy.

#223 Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 at 3:11 pm

China’s Cyclists Take Charge

Electric bicycles are selling by the millions despite efforts to ban them
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jun05/1213

#224 Harry S on 02.29.08 at 3:12 pm

One Question Dona Cadman Must Answer

Let me see if I’ve got this right:

1) In 2004, despite being the popular incumbent, Chuck Cadman gets screwed out of the Conservative Party nomination in his riding of Surrey North by an ethnic insta-Tory voting block. When the party refuses to overturn the result, an enraged Cadman runs as an independent, and wins the election in a landslide.

2) In 2005, while terminally ill with cancer, Cadman becomes the center of the Canadian political universe as the deciding vote in the epic battle to topple the Paul Martin minority government. Through dozens of interviews each day both before and after the vote, Cadman never even hints at a bribe being offered by any party.

3) Mr. Cadman saves the Martin Liberal government with his vote. He passes away soon after.

4) In the wake of her husband’s death, Mr. Cadman’s wife, Dona, endorses the NDP candidate in her riding, family friend Penny Priddy, who won handily in the January 2006 election.

5) Later in 2006, Dona seeks the Conservative nomination in Surrey North to contest the next election against Ms. Priddy, and wins the nomination over a local lawyer.

6) In 2008, as part of the pre-release hype of a biography of her deceased husband, Dona Cadman announces that in 2005, the Conservative Party offered her husband a bribe of a $1,000,000 life insurance policy to vote down the Liberal government.

Dona, you owe Canada an answer to this question: if the Conservative Party of Canada offered, essentially, a $1m bribe to your husband, and if this supposed bribe so offended your husband as you have described:

WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO RUN FOR THE CONSERVATIVES IF THEY ARE AS CORRUPT AS YOU SAY THEY ARE?

If they are corrupt, then why did you freely choose to run for a corrupt party? And if they are not corrupt, then why are you allowing this smear to fester for two days now?

#225 Geminesse on 02.29.08 at 3:12 pm

Re: Cadman’s daughter corroborates mother’s story
Life insurance specialists said they were shocked.
People, ‘life insurance policy’ is just a euphemism for quid pro quo. Chuck, you vote with Cons and we’ll pay your family one million dollars on your death.

The only insurance company in a position to write such a policy is The New Conservative Party, CEO Stephen Harper, CFO James Flaherty.

#226 Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 at 3:13 pm

Take This Car And PLUG IT

Eager hybrid owners can’t wait to connect their cars to the power grid
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jul05/1572

#227 Irene on 02.29.08 at 3:17 pm

Emerson resolved the softwood issue.
Didn’t hold the deciding vote on anything so far.

Belinda wrote the liberal pink book.

By give me a break on 02.29.08 12:00 pm

Emerson had already worked out the deal that eventualy became law while he was still a Liberal.

Cheers

#228 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 3:19 pm

Yep,I seem to have hit a raw nerve with Ed and Musky.Where there is smoke,there usually is fire.I especially find it interesting that Musky talks about children in bath tubs and small dicks in the same breath.Very disturbing indeed.

#229 Harry S on 02.29.08 at 3:22 pm

Liberal hints at toppling government over Cadman affair

The Canadian Press – February 29, 2008 at 2:29 PM EST

OTTAWA — The spectre of an alleged financial offer to a dying MP hovered over Parliament Hill on Friday as some Liberals hinted they might topple the government over the prime minister’s purported role in the alleged affair.

Opposition parties hammered the Conservatives in the House of Commons for the second straight day over allegations then-Opposition leader Stephen Harper was implicated in an overture to Chuck Cadman two days before a historic May 2005 confidence vote.

Outside the Commons, Liberal MP Garth Turner suggested time is running out for the Tories to come up with a credible explanation for what exactly was offered to Mr. Cadman — on whose shoulders the fate of Paul Martin’s Liberal government rested — in exchange for his support.

“The questions have not gone away, and each day more evidence has come forward that this is a serious issue. So, unless the government refutes that very quickly, or comes out with a statement of clarification, then I think we ought to be thinking about bringing these guys down,” he said.
……………………………..

YES YES YES YES … LEAD THE WAY GARTH .. UDAMAN ..!!!!

#230 Bonnie L on 02.29.08 at 3:25 pm

I think that Mr. Martin knew bullshit when he read it. Period. Otherwise, he would have LOVED to nail Mr. Harper with this, or even have one of his cohorts do it for him. We are talking a full year here. Not a few days.

Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 10:55 am

Maybe Martin didn’t even read the book. Did you ever think of that?

Also, Harper’s comment to the author of the book contained the words, “uh, this is not for publication?”

from Garth’s introduction

“Zytaruk: “I mean, there was an insurance policy for a million dollars. Do you know anything about that?”

Harper: “I don’t know the details. I know that there were discussions, uh, this is not for publication?”

Looks like Harper didn’t want the public to know members or operatives of his party approached Cadman at all. Transparency! NOT Integrity! NOT
Honesty! NOT

#231 Catherine on 02.29.08 at 3:27 pm

Final Analyses:

Let me get this right..Mrs. Cadman and her daughter are liars….Mrs. Cadman is running for a Reform/CONservative candidacy…Harpo is still supporting her candidacy…. so the CONS are supporting someone who they say is a LIAR???? New slogan for the next campaign…VOTE for our candidates we maybe liars, but we are honest about it?

By Smokingjoe on 02.29.08 11:51 am

Let me get this right… you, Smokingjoe, is calling Chuck Cadman a LIAR.

#232 Marc on 02.29.08 at 3:28 pm

The author of this book can’t pay enough for publicity like this.

If this was so wrong, to try to bribe Mr. Cadman, why has it taken 2 1/2 years to become public? Do people just not care about right and wrong that they can keep their mouths shut until shortly before the book is about to be released to create a buzz and hopefully sell more books because of it? What a bunch of oppertunists. This author should run for office as he is on par with the rest of the pigs feeding there.

#233 keith phibbs on 02.29.08 at 3:55 pm

Cadman said no other offers, not no offers.

Liberal hints at toppling government over Cadman affair
The Canadian Press

February 29, 2008 at 2:29 PM EST

OTTAWA — The spectre of an alleged financial offer to a dying MP hovered over Parliament Hill on Friday as some Liberals hinted they might topple the government over the prime minister’s purported role in the alleged affair.
Opposition parties hammered the Conservatives in the House of Commons for the second straight day over allegations then-Opposition leader Stephen Harper was implicated in an overture to Chuck Cadman two days before a historic May 2005 confidence vote.

Audio from June 12, 2005: The Globe’s Dan Cook interviewed Independent MP Chuck Cadman live on CKNW (Audio: CKNW/Corus Radio):
Outside the Commons, Liberal MP Garth Turner suggested time is running out for the Tories to come up with a credible explanation for what exactly was offered to Mr. Cadman — on whose shoulders the fate of Paul Martin’s Liberal government rested — in exchange for his support
“The questions have not gone away, and each day more evidence has come forward that this is a serious issue. So, unless the government refutes that very quickly, or comes out with a statement of clarification, then I think we ought to be thinking about bringing these guys down,” he said.
A tape released Thursday suggests Mr. Harper not only knew two party officials made an “offer” to Cadman, but also gave it his blessing.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wcadman0229/BNStory/National/home

#234 kpn on 02.29.08 at 3:56 pm

Emerson resolved the softwood issue.
Didn’t hold the deciding vote on anything so far.

By give me a break on 02.29.08 12:00 pm

Yeah, and how much did that cost the Cdn lumber industry. Based on his constituents reaction, Emerson won’t get elected next time around.

#235 Marc on 02.29.08 at 3:59 pm

Off topic, but I had emailed a Mr. Ed Fast for clarification of the mailer stating “Dion will take it away” regarding the child care benefit. Copyed below is his responce.

Thank you for your email, Marc. I’m sorry that you feel that I am misleading you. I do my best to check out the facts before making any claims. Please consider the following:

In an interview with the National Post on October 21, 2006, Stephane Dion was asked point blank if he would cancel the Universal Child Care Benefit and said “yes” he would. In fact, it is my understanding that the full transcript of the question as printed by the National Post went as follows:

Post: “Would you cancel the Tory daycare plan? What would you replace it with?”

Dion: “Yes. The Dryden plan was much better. We need childcare facilities to provide Canadian parents with real choice. It’s a matter of social justice, but also of sound economics: childcare facilities are a good way to encourage flexibility and mobility of our workforce, at a time when, often, two parents are working outside the home.”

I also remind you that for 13 years, the Liberals (with Stephane Dion sitting at the cabinet table for most of that time) promised Canadians that they would create a national child care plan. They never delivered. We promised to introduce the Universal Child Care Benefit of $100 per month per child under age 6, and we fulfilled our promise.

Thank you for asking me for clarification. At least you had the courage to contact me to complain.

Ed Fast, M.P.
Abbotsford

So there it is. Now what one says is now gospel and written in stone, with no turning back on any sort of rethinking. Dion said he would take it away so it must be fact?

#236 Byebye Harper on 02.29.08 at 3:59 pm

People, especially those with a common interest (such as union members), get a tad pissed when they see acts like the Harper government has done to their fellow employees. Firings without cause. Shuffling of people . Silencing of people, such as our scientists, etc.

Hell is going to be paid, and it will become ‘V’ for Vendetta, with Harper looking like the dictatorial prick he truly is…Just like in the movie.

You have exemplified some of the realities.Again, I thank you on behalf of all honest Canadians.

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 2:52 pm
Wait until the Grand Valley prison incident is brought to court and the truth about that is brought to Canadians attention.

#237 Rob on 02.29.08 at 4:00 pm

OTTAWA, TORONTO — A well-known evangelical crusader is claiming credit for the federal government’s move to deny tax credits to TV and film productions that contain graphic sex and violence or other offensive content.

Charles McVety, president of the Canada Family Action Coalition, said his lobbying efforts included discussions with Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, and “numerous” meetings with officials in the Prime Minister’s Office.

“We’re thankful that someone’s finally listening,” he said yesterday. “It’s fitting with conservative values, and I think that’s why Canadians voted for a Conservative government.”

#238 Drew on 02.29.08 at 4:02 pm

Hey Brian –

did I miss it or did Ritz welch on his promise to get the barley bill in by the end of the month?

#239 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 4:02 pm

http://www.liberal.ca/story_13642_e.aspx

whoa

talk about stepping up

#240 Frank Frink on 02.29.08 at 4:03 pm

DoryD on 02.29.08 2:10 pm

Excellent post.

It did make me think of something, just as a side note to this CadScam affair.

Note the founder of the NCC, with which Harper is closely associated.

It may mean nothing at all, but it is an interesting coincidence.

#241 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 4:03 pm

By Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 2:50 pm

Ed,

Had Bob comes here and been specific as to what his Ruler, McVety, was on about, as is disclosed in Taxpayers being abused by film funding: lobbyist-Last Updated: Friday, February 29, 2008 | 3:23 PM ET , he would have had some support. Note the time stamnp on the CBC news article!

I, too, do not support government funding of basically worthless adventures into non-productive films.

I do, and I think you do as well, also not support the idea of the government becoming a unilateral censor of what we, as a free people, should be allowed to see. That is the true issue for me. Government censorship.

The movie industry produces some very insightful, albeit ‘blue’ stories that portray real life. Life is far more complex than people such as Bob or McVety can comprehend. Films can help people to see themselves and gain understanding.

But Bob came in a thrashing and a trashing against Gays, and pornography in general. No need to describe what he calls porn (Most of it is simply stupid and made for the gullible meatheads), he just lambasts anyone who disagrees with his view as a ‘Lieberal’, which is nothing more than the typical mindless retort of the neo-cons of the Religious Right. Stereotypical assignment of blame is a hallmark of their tactics.

Oddly, it seems many of the worst actual crimes against children, and maybe Rope (aka Not Again) has some data to share, are committed by ‘religious nutbars’ such as Catholic Priests, ministers, and those who have been brain washed by extremist religion, or injured by it in their youth.

We already passed through the CPC’s fiasco on property and civil rights for Gays, under the guise of SSM.

As citizens, they have Constitutional rights to self-determination in a relationship of property, assets, and how they want to conduct their lives.

As to the Gay Pride Parade types. You will never find me at one of those street circuses. In fact, Gays have told me they despise such events and every time one is held it sets them back 20 years.

Reviewing the film names, gives some insight, but I suspect that McVety, who BTW, has violated the proceedures for the public addressing such issues by going directly to the PMO, has never even seen the films.

The titles, as with many, may be totally deceptive of the content or message. The Victorian Era is long over, and has left a rebound of problems sexually for western society in North America. Many movies attempt to explore the Dark Side of what we inherited in order for people to understand that it is not normal.

What do you think Ed?

#242 Ike on 02.29.08 at 4:05 pm

Truth is stranger than fiction!

Dona Cadman, the widow of independent MP Chuck Cadman is the federal Conservative nominee in Surrey North to carry on her late husband’s legacy. Of course, some of our astute observers might find that decision somewhat odd given that New Democrat Penny Priddy – whom Ms. Cadman endorsed during the last federal election – presently represents the riding.

So she supported the NDP candidate in the last federal election, but now, on her web-site, she is singing the praises of the Tories, of all things.

See: http://www.donacadman.com/

There she is, proudly standing side-by-side with PMSH in a picture on Parliament Hill, and praising this present government.

Her web-site states, “Canada’s Government is achieving real results for British Columbia and all Canadians through Budget 2007.

“I am very proud to be part of a government that moves to restore the fiscal balance in Canada, cuts taxes for working families, reduces the national debt, and invests in key priorities like improving health care and environmental protection.”

This is strange rhetoric coming from a candidate who supported the NDP canadidate in her own riding in the last election.

You put that contradictory posture together with the fact that she is now contradicting her own late husband’s public testimony on the day of the crucial vote in 2005, and you will see a pattern here of somebody who can make very swift and dramatic changes over a very short period of time.

#243 Ted on 02.29.08 at 4:08 pm

About the Insurance Policy. Sure, any insurance company would provide a million dollar insurance policy. If the premium was 1 million dollars. The insurance policy doesn’t have to be real or operate on genuine market principles. It can rather just be a device to give what would otherwise be considered a bribe the veneer of legality.

Imagine something along the lines of: “Hey Chuck! We understand that this is a difficult time, and we don’t want to put any pressure on you. We just want to reiterate that we would be happy to have you back as a member of the Conservative caucus, voting along party lines again, as soon as possible. We understand that we could very well be in another election soon, and we know that that could cause problems for your family. So we’d be happy to help out a fellow conservative by financing a great insurance policy that will make sure that your family is taken care of if you decide not to run again and aren’t able to provide for them anymore”.

#244 brain on 02.29.08 at 4:14 pm

By DoryD on 02.29.08 2:10 pm
Excellent points. I could not agree more, except for the numbers. Its not millions that the NCC has spent over the years. Its billions.

Leasa, are you slow all the time, or just today? This link below flashes back the past and the smears Chretien had to face. But to tell us all here a forged document is an inside job perpetrated by Martin & Co… take my word for it, Chretien had far greater enemies than Paul Martin. The chances aren’t great that a forged document came from the Liberals.

What it does suggest, however, is that the National Post is the place to go to smear Liberals since they really are that biased and worthless to read, other than to get a gauge on how their cirulation propaganda brainwashes people like yourself.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/29/post-appeal.html

#245 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 4:20 pm

By Leasa on 02.29.08 2:36 pm

Nice try Leasa. Try the name Stephen Harper instead! Whoever it was deserves to be prosecuted. That is the difference between we so-called Lieberals (I am not a member of the LPOC, but am getting close to becoming one), who have never denied AdScam and you Harper supporters who are blind to any and all infractions of the law by Caesar Disgustus, or his minions.

#246 David Bakody on 02.29.08 at 4:22 pm

Bill, do you think that PMSH & Co would pull a George Dubya trick and start shredding thousands of e-mails and other doc’s under some false security excuse. “Neo Cons are birds of feather” in any country

#247 keith phibbs on 02.29.08 at 4:23 pm

I think that Mr. Martin knew bullshit when he read it. Period. Otherwise, he would have LOVED to nail Mr. Harper with this, or even have one of his cohorts do it for him. We are talking a full year here. Not a few days.

Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 10:55 am

Ah but I think he did. Revenge is best served cold.
Perfect timing in fact.
Paul Martin received early copy of Cadman manuscript, author says
Darah Hansen , Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, February 28, 2008
METRO VANCOUVER – The author of a controversial yet-to-be published book chronicling the life of the late Surrey MP Chuck Cadman confirmed Thursday that Paul Martin was among those who were sent an early copy of the manuscript.

Tom Zytaruk, a journalist in Surrey, said he provided a copy to the former Liberal Prime Minister for review following its completion in February of 2007.
http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=a6631e85-799a-4d9e-86fe-792d3b123f2a

#248 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 4:24 pm

Here is another good quote to remember and laugh about!
It’s time for Harper to take his own advice if he had ANY integrity and resign!

By Calberta on 02.29.08 2:42 pm

Harper is psychologically incapable of following his own advice. He is delusional and schizophrenic, therefore, no law, no rule, no advice is applicable to him as Caesar Disgustus.

Just like Bush yesterday telling the Turks they should ‘Get in and get out of Iraq as fast as possible!’ What a total doofus! (See it on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart)

#249 Margaret Bedore on 02.29.08 at 4:27 pm

Topple the government over the Cadman affair!

#250 Drew on 02.29.08 at 4:27 pm

Seems the <a href …. doesn’t work as I assumed.. So, I’ll try this again.

Hey Brian –

You’d asked – “did I miss it or did Ritz welch on his promise to get the barley bill in by the end of the month?”

Not exactly –

Barley bill to be introduced Monday

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4134731p-4726939c.html

#251 brain on 02.29.08 at 4:35 pm

By Ed Brooks on 02.29.08 2:50 pm

I concur. I voted and donated Green in the last election myself. While most would think I’m a Liberal because I am no fan of Harper, I say what I say because I’m no fan of Harper! (not to mention the Greens will hardly be the party to govern. I have preferences as to which party doest govern this country and it most certainly isn’t the crooked bunch we’ve got now)

There are examples of sexuality in Canadian film that taxpayers have funded, but these examples don’t flatter the movies in question. The reality is that human behavior, especially the sinful kind, cannot be condoned or condemned unless it is examined. Film does exactly that with fictional characters presented in common reality scenarios.

Take for example, Brokeback Mountain. The movie did not flatter or portray homosexuality, but rather, human weakness itself both in terms of moral conduct, actions, temptations and, if anyone saw the end, human judgement itself. But to somone like Bob, its just about 2 fag cowboys.

I suspect these words are wasted on someone such as Bob who, judging a book by its cover or a film by its name (or the name of a director) has no real clue what the movies in question are really about.

There’s an old Nazi expression that was oft and sadly used in WWII. Talking to an old German WWII vet that was a regular soldier back in the day, the Nazi’s and SS would joke, “if you don’t understand them, hit them with a chair.” I think this analogous saying applies here.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wculture29/BNStory/National/?cid=al_gam_nletter_newsUp

#252 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 4:41 pm

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4134731p-4726939c.html

By Drew on 02.29.08 4:27 pm

thanks. I’m expecting it to be a confidence vote.

btw
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#253 Ike on 02.29.08 at 4:42 pm

“Revenge is best served cold. Perfect timing in fact.”

Revenge will always come back on your own head. It is a law of the universe.

During the early 1990s, the Liberals were trying to connect Brian Mulroney with Airbus. Here we are 13 years later, and still nothing resolved.

Then the Adscam came up and hit the Liberals, and they paid a big price.

Now the Liberals are trying to cause other theories of possible corruption of the CONS to stick, and so it goes on and on.

Even the NDP has its own record of corruption.

The fallacy of what is happening is that political parties are all pointing the finger at the other side, as though they were squeaky clean, and only the other side is corrupt.

The reality is that we are all humans, and we all have a propensity for corruption and deceitfulness. We are all in need of mercy and forgiveness from time to time.

The party that will show mercy to the other side, while still admitting their own frailty and human weakness would have my support.

Yet we all want to maintain the myth that only the other side is corrupt, and that we ourselves never do anything wrong.

That whole attitude, I suggest, is our most fundamental problem.

I have had to apologize from time to time right here on this blog. I make mistakes, but want to be willing to admit that, but also to let others know that I hold no illwill towards them, even if we disagree on public policy at times.

#254 Smokingjoe on 02.29.08 at 4:43 pm

Final Analyses:

Let me get this right..Mrs. Cadman and her daughter are liars….Mrs. Cadman is running for a Reform/CONservative candidacy…Harpo is still supporting her candidacy…. so the CONS are supporting someone who they say is a LIAR???? New slogan for the next campaign…VOTE for our candidates we maybe liars, but we are honest about it?

By Smokingjoe on 02.29.08 11:51 am

Let me get this right… you, Smokingjoe, is calling Chuck Cadman a LIAR.

Harpo is denying it…..who what does that mean to you???? By the way it’s written “are calling” what grade are you in? Does your mother know your on the computer?

#255 brain on 02.29.08 at 4:45 pm

By Drew on 02.29.08 4:27 pm

I think the CWB issue is going to be the one that makes this government fall. I can’t see the Bloc, NDP or Liberals supporting Harpers want to destroy the Canadian Wheat Board.

#256 brain on 02.29.08 at 4:46 pm

Say, is it me or is Harpers makeup running in this pic?

#257 not again on 02.29.08 at 4:49 pm

Bill
“Oddly, it seems many of the worst actual crimes against children, and maybe Rope (aka Not Again) has some data to share, are committed by ‘religious nutbars’ such as Catholic Priests, ministers, and those who have been brain washed by extremist religion, or injured by it in their youth.”

Bill- on 02.29.08 4:03 pm

I`d have to dig through my collection of reports but you`re right, most offenders were injured in their youth from drug addicts to sex offenders to serial killers.
Oddly enough our government, by lowering the age of adult court to 14, is blaming the children who are almost always a victim first.

#258 Herb on 02.29.08 at 4:55 pm

Ike,

Dona Cadman’s website is really up to date – last “Latest News” dated March 19, 2007.

Just what part of her husband’s 2005 testimony, now on the public record, are you alleging she contradicts?

Don’t know if she is an unstable personality, the intentional implication of your last sentence, but I do know that you are one reaching troll. And like your colleagues, you have nothing to say in this matter.

#259 brain on 02.29.08 at 4:58 pm

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 4:24 pm

Interestingly enough, Harper has many Phycopathic traits. The book “Snakes in Suits” keeps coming to mind. I couldn’t help thinking about Harper as I read through it.

I had a delightful conversation a couple years ago with a phycologist that took her degree at Berkley. She told me that 3% of the population are considered to be phycopathic, while only 1% is considered to be truly dangerous. The traits… controlling, authoritarian, shallow, disconnected to the needs of others, selfish, self centered, egocentric, the world revolves around them, unremorseful, “Me First” are all accentuated by past childhood adolescent conditions. Surprisingly, some phycopaths have learned to be extremely manipulative through charm and persuation to achieve their self serving goals.

I’m not so sure people really want to know how many mentally sick people walk among us. Certainly, one out of a hundred commentors here could be considered as dangerous if pushed over the edge as percentages dictate. 40% of the population will experience major depression within their lifetimes.

Phyco/sociopathic, obsessive/compulsive, there are nutters out there in percentages that few want to acknowledge or admit. Its just how it is. Perhaps, just as disturbing is how often the general population has their guards down to those who rise into such positions of power.

But I’m rambling here. Lets get back to how these Shiny New Cons justify bribing public officials to get their way, justifying it with self serving goals and when caught, deny, deny, deny.

#260 Charles Oxley on 02.29.08 at 4:59 pm

BTW, can you drive a truck? I hear they have lots of openings for such skills!

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 11:52 am

G’day, Bill and all. Trolls are out and the pigswill is fermenting at an astonsishing rate; the stench is almost unbearable.

Suppose said trolls here, there and everywhere are gonna explode soon! Gotta clean up that mess, too!

Tell me: I’m partially blind in both eyes, and crippled down the right side so can I apply for a job as a truck driver?

Don’t have a licence anymore, can’t see where the hell I’m going, but if I bribe the instructor by paying him enough, I can start next week!
——————————————————————–
None of this can be good for Canadians.

Canada’s current account in deficit

By Greg W., Oakville on 02.29.08 1:52 pm

Hey there, Greg. Been saying this for some time, along with Got Rope? and a few others here.

Whatever happens with Chuck Cadman, and the soon-to-be eventual destruction of CRAP (thank god) doesn’t really matter anymore.

Unless we, as patrotic Canadians are prepared to stand up and say, in a clear, resounding voice, “We don’t want to be associated with the right-wing neo-cons anymore”, our country is gonzo, won’t exist anymore.

Maybe not in our lifetime, but sooner or later it will happen. Wotsay this is a really good time for a few major earthquakes around this planet, to place our attention spans on something else, other than ourselves?

Other than soccer throughout the world, of course!

#261 John on 02.29.08 at 5:00 pm

Garth, interesting read but if you are going to expound voluminously then you need to get the dates clear.

From CBC initial report: “Two days before the vote, Zytaruk writes, Cadman was visited by two Conservative party representatives — who are not identified — and presented with a list of enticements to rejoin the party before the vote. A million-dollar life insurance policy was on the list, Zytaruk writes.”

From G&M initial report: “The men arrived at Mr. Cadman’s Ottawa office two days before the vote on the Liberal budget.”

Your article is a good example of why this business should not be dealt with by politicians but by the police. Their job is to pay attention to detail and to collect the facts.

There were, of course, two meetings. One took place on May 17th, and the other – the one I wrote about, on May 19th. At the latter, Flanagan and Finley met with Cadman. Please reference pp 215-6 of ‘Harper’s Team.” At the former, the identities of the CPC operatives are as yet unknown. Your post is a good example of why you shouldn’t try this at home, John. — Garth

#262 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 5:08 pm

…Note the founder of the NCC, with which Harper is closely associated.

It may mean nothing at all, but it is an interesting coincidence.

By Frank Frink on 02.29.08 4:03 pm

OMG

http://nationalcitizens.ca/message_from_the_chairman.html

http://www.thewealthadvisory.com/life_insurance_services.html

digg of the day

#263 Ike on 02.29.08 at 5:13 pm

“Topple the government over the Cadman affair!”

What about doing an investigation to get at the truth first?

Haste makes waste!

#264 John_N on 02.29.08 at 5:20 pm

Sigh. The average person will look at this whole issue as a ‘so what’ thing. The CPC tried to buy a vote from a dying MP, most will figure the Libs gave a better offer (regardless of the truth).

To call an election on this is just a waste of time and money. We’ll end up with another minority gov’t, no idea if it would be Liberal or CPC, and the same situation for the next couple of years.

Once the Libs decided to pass on the budget and the war I suspect most Canadians felt there was no need to call an election until the fall at the earliest. To force one now would just anger most as the corruption shown is not going to be viewed any worse than the last few scandles.

#265 not again on 02.29.08 at 5:23 pm

Bill
“it seems many of the worst actual crimes against children, and maybe Rope (aka Not Again) has some data to share, are committed by ‘religious nutbars’ such as Catholic Priests, ministers,.”
Bill- on 02.29.08 4:03 pm

In most studies `other` is the term used for non-family abusers such as ‘religious nutbars’ as it seems the data is not acquired in more detail.

The only case that comes to mind on the ‘religious nutbars’ is Mark Lapine of the Montreal massacre. Although the father is blamed for teaching young Mark to hate women the facts of the case indicate PAS reaching a plateau during his teenage years while his father left when he was 8. There is no published interviews with the father on why the father left. The is also no published material on the mother son relationship but she was in a previous life a Nun. It`s very thin but it`s the only one that comes to mind.

#266 Zorpheous on 02.29.08 at 5:35 pm

To Harry S.

Your posts today and from yesterday surprise me. And I am very pleased to be surprises.

While there are several issue that you and I will never see eye to eye on. I am pleased to see that you actually do care about rooting out government corruption.

Believe me Harry, I will be the exactly has if the Liberals win control in the next election. I have been a conservative/independant voter since the Mulroney Government lost to the Liberals.

Yet for years I have watched Harper and I have seen him bend any rule, break the rules and come very close to breaking the law before this.

Harper is no reformer and he is no grass roots politician, in fact he and Preston Manning had huge disagreements about grassroots politics.

Now we will get to see just how open and transparent and accountable Harper is. Cause Harper now has a huge problem. Dona Cadman, either she is lying or she is telling the truth.

If Dona Cadman is lying, then Harper can not allow her to continue to run for the CPC for obvious reasons.

If Dona Cadman is telling the truth, then Harper must fire Doug Finley, who is major backroom player in the CPC, and I mean MAJOR)

Harper who ran an election on removing corruption from Ottawa seems to be neck deep in it, even before formed the Canada’s Nu Government.

Remember the Grewal Affair? Now we have the CadScam. Along with Harper’s election spending problems in the last election, the broken IT promise, and various other accords and promises that were broken,…. and the list goes on and on.

There needs to very clear laws on the books to remove all the power out of Politicians hands when it comes to investigate corruption charges, regardless of who is in power. And if it should cost us $100 million a year to sift through the shit, then that is price for keeping parties, politicians and politics cleaner.

This needs to end, power to investigate the Government should not rest in hands of the people in Ottawa, but with the people.

#267 Herb on 02.29.08 at 5:43 pm

Ike,

while you and your fellow trolls are twisting in the wind, Kady O’Malley adds a couple of CPC spins to keep you turning. Enjoy at http://forums.macleans.ca/advansis/?mod=for&act=dis&ref=publish&eid=48

#268 Marc on 02.29.08 at 5:45 pm

Does your mother know your on the computer?

By Smokingjoe on 02.29.08 4:43 pm

While you are giving out writing tutorials, it is Does your Mother know you’re on the computer. :)

#269 C. B. Innes on 02.29.08 at 5:47 pm

What about doing an investigation to get at the truth first?

Haste makes waste!

By Ike on 02.29.08 5:13 pm ,

I agree with this and I think it would be a good idea if Harper stepped down as Prime Minister until the investigation is completed.

The whole affair, and particularly the tape indicating that Harper was aware of an offer that had financial implications, undermines the integrity of the office of Prime Minister. He has indicated before with regard to the Mulroney issue that was a concern and this case could be equally as damaging to the office.

#270 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 6:03 pm

Tell me: I’m partially blind in both eyes, and crippled down the right side so can I apply for a job as a truck driver?

By Charles Oxley on 02.29.08 4:59 pm

Why, of course you can Charles, but please be advised it is only for a single run, and a short trip. You are far too consciencous for the position IMHO though.

It is, nonetheless, a Great way to Go Out With A BANG!

#271 not again on 02.29.08 at 6:18 pm

The party that will show mercy to the other side, while still admitting their own frailty and human weakness would have my support.

Ike on 02.29.08 4:42 pm

Ike, well said.
I couldn`t have put it better in my own words which are, the party that entertains the most while stealing the least has my support.
I`m waiting for the entertainment to show up.

#272 brain on 02.29.08 at 6:19 pm

By Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 5:08 pm

Bravo!! I believe you’ve got it!@
This would be insurance company #1 on the list of suspects!! :-)

#273 Ike on 02.29.08 at 6:24 pm

“You have nothing to say in this matter.” –By Herb on 02.29.08 4:55 pm

Herb, are you a democrat or what? In a democracy, who can say to another human being, “You have nothing to say,” or that you do not have the freedom of speech?

#274 Captain George on 02.29.08 at 6:31 pm

Holy CRAPPERS CRAPMAN!

Do you think it is easy to be honest?

#275 Charles Oxley on 02.29.08 at 6:32 pm

This alludes to what I spoke about with Greg earlier . . .

http://tinyurl.com/33yzam

. . . and this is what Brez(there’s a lot of ‘z’s in his name) thinks of dubya’s fake war on terror.

http://tinyurl.com/3ys5n8

#276 Johnny on 02.29.08 at 6:33 pm

Say, is it me or is Harpers makeup running in this pic?

By brain on 02.29.08 4:46 pm

I don’t know about his cometics in the picture but do you think he bites those fingernails?

#277 not again on 02.29.08 at 6:38 pm

Bill.
I put my other blog in the space.
Warning, The following reality is without sugar coating.
Forget the green economy, bomb shelters and flak jackets will be a better seller.

#278 pjw on 02.29.08 at 6:39 pm

By Harry S on 02.29.08 2:58 pm

I do not think any party is capable of honesty, accountability and transparency and that is why I am advocating an independent government. I might be willing to compromise if free votes were mandatory and no leader could impose his will on duly elected M.P.s, but you and I both know that isn’t going to happen. So to answer your question, no, Dion, Harper, Layton, Duceppe and May are all the same. There is no chance for a honest government in Canada until parties are abolished. Canadians don’t have the intestinal fortitude to elect an honest government, they just prefer their own brand of unethical party leader. The only people who can be influenced at all are the swing voters and they are very small in mumber but large enough to decide who will sit in the governing seats. Must be really sad to sit there and put your X where the leader tells you to…how pathetic! If we insist on having a parliament, let’s just have 5 seats, the one who gets the most votes gets to be PM…the result would be the same and we save lots of salary, expense, and pension money. That could make up for some of the money squandered for pet projects.
To vote the same old way, year after year and expect things to change is an exercise in futility. Canadians love futility!

#279 Captain George on 02.29.08 at 6:54 pm

That “Last Place” will give the Elfin Minister a one way ticket on the new train to Peterborough.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080229/flaherty_budget_080229/20080229?hub=Canada

#280 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 7:03 pm

Funny how Ed, Brain ,and old Musky can’t stand a different opinion.So outraged are they that they immediately stoop to name calling and crying.As I said before because they are obviously to stupid to read,PUBLIC tax money should not be used to support movies portraying graphic sex acts,extreme violence and homosexual acts.If you want to do it with your own money,go ahead.Also,NOWHERE did I mention anything about religion.Again the lies of you lieberals get in the way of the truth.Interesting how they all pretend to take the “high” ground,but when challenged,resort to schoolyard tactics.

#281 Catherine on 02.29.08 at 7:05 pm

So let me get this straight. Paul Martin (Liberal ex-PM) endorsed a book that alleges that Stephen Harper and the Conservatives offered a 1 million dollar insurance bride to Chuck Cadman.

Wasn’t it the same Paul Martin, who offered Belinda Stronach (minister of complex files) a cabinet post on the same day she and Paul Martin agreed to have her cross the floor from the Conservatives to the Liberals.

Seems a bit suspicous.

Oh I would like to have the RCMP investigate the deal Belinda Stronach and Paul Martin struck. She crossed the floor and voted with Paul Martin. And we all know that she received extra salary for her new Liberal Ministerial job – thanks to Paul Martin.

And Garth, please do vote against the budget. I think it’s time the Liberals retired, given what we saw from your Liberal colleague, Murphy, in the House. Mr. Murphy has no problem about lynching people, eh?

#282 Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 at 7:09 pm

Bravo!! I believe you’ve got it!@
This would be insurance company #1 on the list of suspects!!

By brain on 02.29.08 6:19 pm

Maybe maybe not. But the possibility got me thinking…

As long as the cops knock on the right door and find whoever drew up the papers, unless there was falsified information they really haven’t done anything wrong.

yet.

find the needle and the truth could very possibly set it free. professional reputation intact and all.

#283 Smokingjoe on 02.29.08 at 7:11 pm

By Smokingjoe on 02.29.08 4:43 pm

While you are giving out writing tutorials, it is Does your Mother know you’re on the computer. :)

By Marc on 02.29.08 5:45 pm

He who lives by the pen dies by the pen… DOHHH….. :)

#284 brain on 02.29.08 at 7:13 pm

Breaking News!!

Bloggers find the name of the insurance company that was used by the Shiny New Conservatives to attempt to bribe Chuck Cadman!

http://www.thewealthadvisory.com/life_insurance_serv

The connection? Harper was president of the National Citizen’s Coalition from late ’97 to late 2001 before stepping down to assume control of the Conservative party. Harpers connections to Colin T. Brown junior and likeminded bid to rid Canada of universal healthcare for a U.S. model that stood to open the door to U.S. insurance companies to a 33 million population private medicare insurance market is more than enough incentive to invest in a million dollar write off.

They had the motive AND the means to offer a dying man a life insurance policy for a vote to take down a Liberal government with Conservative majority poll numbers.

We came that close to losing it, Canadians, except for the integrity of an honest politician in blue jeans… the Honorable Chuck Cadman.

Harpers secret agenda can be found here.

http://nationalcitizens.ca/doc_bin/agenda_can

#285 Herb on 02.29.08 at 7:15 pm

Ike,

you do have nothing to say in this matter. You just proved it once again.

#286 AM in BC on 02.29.08 at 7:18 pm

Just when you think this story couldn’t get more depressing, today Mike Duffy asked Jodi Cadman, in the context of the apparent conflict between what Chuck told Duffy about there being no offers, and what he told his family about the $1M ‘insurance policy’, if her dad might have been confused because of pain medication. She said that he might.

So is that going to become the new Harper team tactic – Chuck was out of his mind when he talked to his family?

I feel sick.

#287 Closely Watching on 02.29.08 at 7:19 pm

Time for an election. Let the people decide who to believe. On one side we have a man with integrity and on the other we have a pathological Liar. We can debate this till the cows come home or we can just get out there and vote Harper, Flaherty, Lunn and the rest of these scoundrels out.

#288 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 7:23 pm

If we insist on having a parliament, let’s just have 5 seats, the one who gets the most votes gets to be PM…

To vote the same old way, year after year and expect things to change is an exercise in futility. Canadians love futility!

By pjw on 02.29.08 6:39 pm

Well, I tend to agree, on Canadians loving Futility, they may actually be BORG? LOL

As to having only Five MP’s, well this raises the serious debate level, whereas, we all know that a committee is four or more persons sharing a brain. Now, we already have seen the results of this with this Parliament.

We have ONE BRAIN controlling the government, er goobernment, and it came from Abi Normal!

That leaves the other four. Pretty scarey when you consider it as well, eh?

We would have the brains of the Canadian people, 30+ million, all seeking to be heard.

Then we have Jack Layton’s brain, and we all know that while Jack is a people person on the surface, he has traditioanlly been the mouth of the CAW.

Then we have Gilles Duceppe, and if we could even understand him, we might come to know who he is, and who he REALLY represents, but we can rest assured that it is not Canada outside of Quebec.

Then we have the Liberals, and they actually have brains, and mind meld them together in a democratic thing called a caucus!

They have people like Garth Turner, who we know has a very functional brain. Michael Ignatieff who has a half Canadian, well, make that 40%, brain, and the rest is American from the elite East Coast, and attuned to the military/industrial complex; we also have Bob Rae, who is great at input, but not able to speak…yet!, and we Have Stephane Dion, the alleged ‘Leader’ who has to painfully manage the menage a troi! (the Man has courage pouring forth daily).

So, if we take all these realities, and reduce them to FIVE, what do we have?

Four people, and might I add, that Elizabeth May should be one of the Group of Five, thereby making it the Group of Six, who will have to listen to 30+ million people, few of whom have a clue, and fewer yet who see the headaches.

The Group of Four, aka, Gang of Four, was tried for qwuite a while in China, and they had to deal with over a billion people. It didn’t work out well during those years, but is working rather well now amazingly. However, fiscal management, aka ‘The Common Sense Revolution’ wherin the government charges the family for the buillet used to kill their offending family member is going a tad too far into far right conservative fiscal theory.

Naw, I think we have a good system, broken as it is! Perhaps we can all move to Cuba, suck down free drinks and fruit, and bask in the sun after a long day’s work tilling the earth, and collecting the foreign currency? Housing, medical care, education, and food rationing is available to all. At least we would no longer have to contend with all this decision making stress, eh?

And now it is time for RCAF!

LOL

#289 Charles Oxley on 02.29.08 at 7:26 pm

Courtesy whatreallyhappened.com

I was unaware this had even taken place, but it explains what our troops are fighting for (the US needs someone else to do their dirty work).
**********************************************************************************
Hamid Karzai was part of the Unocal working group that went before the US Congress in 1998 and urged war on Afghanistan to make way for a pipeline project from the Caspian Sea to a tanker port on the Indian Ocean.

http://tinyurl.com/26wraq

#290 dj on 02.29.08 at 7:26 pm

HAHAHA, Now the Globe says the Liberals may bring down the gov’t over the Cadman issue.

Uhhh, sorry guys, you’ve cried wolf one too many times.

The LAST thing a political party should do is bring down another party over corruption. What, you think the public will be surprised or po’d about THAT? We expect it!

The election train left only the Liberals weren’t on it, let alone driving it!

Disillusioned and votin’ GREEN. The only other alternative is to not vote and I can’t do that. At least the Greens will get 1.25 for my vote.

#291 David Bakody on 02.29.08 at 7:40 pm

By pjw on 02.29.08 6:39 pm

For many years Canada was voted the best country to live in. Having stated that, our system of government with all it faults was responsible for it’s world high ranking. If we had free votes, how free would they or could they be knowing all politics is considered local. The US has an elected Senate and no Senator will vote against his own and each Bill has ear marks to the tune of billions in favour of the President wishes. So my dear friend, can you just see how free votes could and would get out of hand. Do think Quebec has an advantage? well give free votes and they will really run the show. The problem to-day is one man is trying to do just as you suggest except he wants the opposition to have free votes while stating all his people vote freely ha ha! Having said that the grass will always be greener on the other side of fence bye. Bin there, done that and the more things change the more they remain the same. You eat you live and you die… and Harper will go and the Con party will die and a new one (Western Alliance?) will try again…..and bets?

#292 Greg on 02.29.08 at 7:42 pm

564 comments so far Garth. (Past 2 blog entries) Looks like you got a runner. Folks do love their scandals and soap a dopes don’t they? I’m afraid I can’t get very excited about it. It’s like two farmers comparing dung heaps.

While the Monkeys are busy chasing the Weasels, there is little to no focus on Afghanistan and the LPC flip flop.

So, is the LPC going to stick to the Feb 2009 end of Combat position that has once again been eluded to? Or not?

#293 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 7:53 pm

Hi Zorph, you said: Dona Cadman, either she is lying or she is telling the truth.

Could it be she just misinterpreted what her husband meant? Remember, Mr. Cadman himself on two networks said that the ONLY offer he received was from the CPC and it was an unopposed run in the election.

I can’t wait for the RCMP on this one. Seems the tape itself of Mr. Harper may have been ‘tampered’ with. Leasa

#294 Judy on 02.29.08 at 7:54 pm

Please, please take us to an election scenario. I’d even like Steve to get his minority again and then I’d like to be watching when the RCMP arrive to take him away—and he is sentenced to 14 years ( I think that is the mandatory minimum for the bribery charge–or maybe the Cons have upped it to life!!!)
Oh, the sweet irony of it all!!

#295 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 8:03 pm

By keith phibbs on 02.29.08 4:23 pm

So do tell Keith, the LP says that this book tells of CRIMINAL activity. To hide knowledge, to conceal information of a criminal event is in itself a crime. So, when is Mr. Martin going to be arrested? Soon, right?

OH, btw the innocent ‘author’ of this book is now selling the tapes of Mr. Harper for $1500. a shot. Those tapes are also suspect as it appears they may have been tampered with.

Nighters! Leasa

#296 Molly on 02.29.08 at 8:10 pm

Cadman’s son in law chimes in: Please CRAP don’t try and tell us the entire Cadman family is mentally unbalanced, if you do, your more than done for the first half of this century.

“From Vancouver-based radio station CKNW:

Another member of Chuck Cadman’s family is confirming the story in a soon-to-be-published book that the Conservatives offered the Surrey MP a million dollar life insurance policy just before a key budget vote in 2005.

“Well it’s not really what I think, it’s pretty much what I know. I could speculate about a whole bunch of things but I’m not going to do that but I can tell you that according to Chuck when he did get back from Ottawa he did specifically tell me this offer was made.”

That is Holland Miller, Cadman’s son-in-law who says the offer specifically was for a life insurance policy, even though Cadman was seriously sick with cancer.

“Yes, that’s exactly what he told me….he said a million dollar life insurance policy. Now I know that doesn’t make a lot of sense to what people are saying but that’s exactly what he had said.”

UPDATE – And now, courtesy of the Globe, a third interview with Chuck Cadman surfaces: a conversation with – hey their own Blogolitico Dan Cook, of all people – in which Cadman seems to confirm that “offers were made” by the Conservative Party in the days leading up to the vote.”

http://forums.macleans.ca/advansis/?mod=for&act=dip&tt=&pid=108979&tid=108979&eid=48&so=&ps=&sb=&tso=0&tps=0&tsb=0

#297 keith phibbs on 02.29.08 at 8:19 pm

OH, btw the innocent ‘author’ of this book is now selling the tapes of Mr. Harper for $1500. a shot. Those tapes are also suspect as it appears they may have been tampered with.

Nighters! Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:03 pm

What about the dozens of others who read the book? Charge em all?
B T W the reason he is doing that is because the book hasnt been printed and distributed yet.
You would think if it was a publicity stunt the books would be waiting in the stores.By the time the book hits the stores Canadians will not care anymore.
We got the good info already.Poor guy is trying to salvage a buck.
Dont be so angry Leasa, it is unbecoming of you.

#298 Judy on 02.29.08 at 8:22 pm

Leasa: Who says the tapes were tampered with? And should Harper be arrested? He hatched the scheme in 2005–I believe he was the first to know of it.
And the Cons are all for free enterprise so why rag on the author for earning some money?

#299 Marc on 02.29.08 at 8:22 pm

By Judy on 02.29.08 7:54 pm

Good luck with getting a conviction. The main witness is deceased and the best witness has hearsay evidence as she was not even in the room at the time the alleged bribe was made. I don’t know of any prosecutor who would even take this case to trial, let alone have a judge make a conviction.

The following is a transcript of a portion of author Tom Zytaruk’s tape of a 2005 interview with Stephen Harper, then leader of the Opposition, for his biography of the late Chuck Cadman:

Garth, do you not rail against people who quote you out of context? How is providing a partial interview not the same?

#300 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 8:24 pm

The only insurance company in a position to write such a policy is The New Conservative Party, CEO Stephen Harper, CFO James Flaherty.

By Geminesse on 02.29.08 3:12 pm

Huh? Are you serious? How do you think that a political party would hide a million dollar payout? Give your head a shake. Leasa

#301 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 8:31 pm

By Bob R. on 02.29.08 7:03 pm

Are you capable of an honest comment?

#302 Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 at 8:32 pm

Those tapes are also suspect as it appears they may have been tampered with.

Nighters! Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:03 pm

Leasa, you must a rug dealer, because you LIE like one!

#303 keith phibbs on 02.29.08 at 8:32 pm

Another broken promise. Has Harper just gave up?
Tories won’t expedite Mulroney-Schreiber probe

Feb 29, 2008 06:19 PM
Joan Bryden
THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA–Prime Minister Stephen Harper is looking for excuses to renege on his promise to call a public inquiry into the Mulroney-Schreiber affair, opposition MPs charged today.

Liberals and New Democrats levelled the accusation after the government refused to launch the promised inquiry until the House of Commons ethics committee tables its own report on the affair.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/308285

#304 Leasa on 02.29.08 at 8:37 pm

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 4:20 pm

Tell ya what, when Mr. Dion tells us where the still missing $40 million is and gives it back: then they can talk ethics and morals. K?

#305 Dube on 02.29.08 at 8:48 pm

Also, how dumb for anyone to believe that his wife and daughter would lie and tarnish his good name.
By slg on 02.29.08 8:07 am

SLG,
I just waded through an entire days’s worth of postings and these 19 words of yours simpy leapt right of the page. More truer words could not have been spoken.

Thanks

#306 Zorpheous on 02.29.08 at 8:49 pm

Could it be she just misinterpreted what her husband meant? Remember, Mr. Cadman himself on two networks said that the ONLY offer he received was from the CPC and it was an unopposed run in the election.

I can’t wait for the RCMP on this one. Seems the tape itself of Mr. Harper may have been ‘tampered’ with. Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 7:53 pm

Wow, you really are reaching and desperate. The story has been told both by Dona and her daughter, and they conveyed the outrage Chuck felt when Finley tried to bribe him with that life insurance policy.

Sorry Leasa, that lame excuse doesn’t pass the smell test. Harper is going to have to decide who he will support. Finley or Dona Cadman, personally Mr. Finley knows to much about Harper to risk throwing him under the bus. I wouldn’t sell political life insurance to Mrs. Cadman, her days in the Harper election machine are numbered.

Oh and the lame “Tapes where tampered with” excuse, can you say Grewal?

Lame, lame, lame.

#307 Douglas P on 02.29.08 at 9:03 pm

Seems the tape itself of Mr. Harper may have been ‘tampered’ with. Leasa
By Leasa on 02.29.08 7:53 pm

The only source for that CON artist rumour is bikini-boy Jimmy Moore.

#308 Harry S on 02.29.08 at 9:10 pm

Feeding frenzy over yet ..???

What if Dion caves and does not precipitate an election on the Budget and the Mulroney/Cadman/Harper corruption??

Will that mean Dion is NOT a leader with the cajones to convince his Liberal caucus to unite under his leadership and all show up to vote non-confidence on the Budget by supporting their own amendment, I believe due on Monday ..???

This is where the rubber hits the road .. guys and gals … because only a snap election will establish Dion’s leadership.

What if we don’t get an election .. what will happen next ..??!!!

#309 Bob R. on 02.29.08 at 9:11 pm

As I suspected.Musky and the boys have realized they should keep defending Stephool,and quit defending pornographers and child molesters.At least defending their leader is a noble cause,unlike their other position

#310 Greg on 02.29.08 at 9:12 pm

Huh? Are you serious? How do you think that a political party would hide a million dollar payout? Give your head a shake. Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:24 pm

In brown envelopes maybe?

OH, btw the innocent ‘author’ of this book is now selling the tapes of Mr. Harper for $1500. a shot. Those tapes are also suspect as it appears they may have been tampered with.

Nighters! Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:03 pm

“In an e-mail to The Canadian Press, Sandra Buckler said the tape – which the publisher of the book was selling for $500 a copy – is an excerpt of a longer interview between the prime minister and Zytaruk.”

It appears the going price is $500, not $1,500 but hey, what’s a few thousand dollar bills amongst friends.

#311 Herb on 02.29.08 at 9:13 pm

Leasa,

if you had any credibility, I’d have to say that you’re losing it. As it is, you’ll just have to spin away until Sandra Buckler or Doug Finley come up with something cogent. No point even feeling sorry for you, since you’re used to doing it.

#312 DHalfkenny on 02.29.08 at 9:14 pm

Boy that was a long post.

We are all exercised about this incident. The ethics committee will get involved similar to the Mulroney/KHS affair and create a situation that will make an investigation by the RCMP very difficult.

An allegation has been made over a passage in a book. We have now heard four taped interviews. Let the RCMP investigate and report their finding based on the complaint letter that was forwarded to them by Mr Leblanc.

Mr Harper will have to explain his comment along with the two individuals who had the meeting with Mr Cadman.

It is going to be very dificult for anyone to determine what took place at the meeting with Mr Cadman as there is no one to contradict the two survivors.

The ethics commitee spent all that time on the Mulroney/KHS affair and now they do not want to write and submit a report to Mr Johnston of their findings. However, in QP today the Liberals and Bloc were carping about moving on with the inquiry. I guess Szabo forgot that the PM stated he would call an inquiry once the committee finished their work and submitted their findings to Mr Johstone.

As a side issue James Moore really tore a strip of Mr Turner today in a response to a question on the “Cadman” affair. He corrected Mr Turner’s assertion that the PM had made some unflatering statements about Mr Cadman in cacus similar to the statement Mr Turner made in a previous post.

He informed Mr Turner that he never ever sat in cacus with Mr Cadman.

Mr. Harper made those comments in 2006, after Chuck Cadman had died. I was in the room. — Garth

#313 Dube on 02.29.08 at 9:14 pm

As for Mr. Harper’s interview, I think it shows great ethical character and he clearly said: “But the, uh, the offer to Chuck was that it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election.”
By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:27 am

As C.B. has pointed out on many an occasion, one must always carefully parse Harper’s words. Begin by asking yourself, then answering, what financial considerations Mr. Cadman would have lost during an election. The loss Mr. Cadman would experience if he lost an election would be his MP’s life insurance policy. Apparently, and perhaps Garth can confirm this, an MP can maintain his life insurance policy beyond his term in office by paying an extremely high premium. So the “financial considerations” would be to make available the equivalent of that lost insurance: ie. lose $1 million in insurance, we’ll make it up in kind. Could come through an annuity from all that cash the party is brimming with and repeatedly likes to brag about. That is a bribe. And that is illegal.

Harper was aware of it: “They were legitimately representing the party. I said ‘Don’t press him, I mean, you have this theory that it’s, you know, financial insecurity, and you know, just, you know, if that’s what you say make the case,’ but I said ‘Don’t press it.'”. I believe in legalese that awareness is referred to as “accessory“.

#314 David Bakody on 02.29.08 at 9:24 pm

Perhaps the CPC members should put money issues aside having given many millions away to the Primmer of Quebec for votes who he in turn gave away as tax cuts….Hello? If you do want the book or tape then do not buy it, but I am sure taxpayers have bought many Conservative copies….what a joke!

Allowing the Conservatives to use our airways daily disputing the Cadmans behind their backs via innuendo’s is a Canadian disgrace! Time to cut to the chase and let the public decide who is telling the truth. Make it an election issue, remember it was the Conservatives who stood on the soap boxes shouting “ACOUNTABILTIY”

This issue has got political traction, and PMSH better come clean soon or quit digging and take away the shovels from his selected loud mouths. If we have an election every Conservative Candidate will have to comment and take a stand against the Candmans ……..and won’t that be interesting, What will they say sorry, no comment? Please vote for me for we believe in transparently and stand up against Crime? Political Crime included! What a freaking joke that will be.

#315 Charles Oxley on 02.29.08 at 9:40 pm

Mr. Harper made those comments in 2006, after Chuck Cadman had died. I was in the room. — Garth

By DHalfkenny on 02.29.08 9:14 pm

It appears that CRAP is looking more and more desperate on a daily basis.

Nice to have the saying reinforced in full public view, “What goes around comes around”.

#316 Dube on 02.29.08 at 9:42 pm

Oh and the lame “Tapes where tampered with” excuse, can you say Grewal?
Lame, lame, lame.

By Zorpheous on 02.29.08 8:49 pm

I heard that grasping-at-straws-tape-tampering assertion on the news whilst doing my groceries tonight and got such a laugh out of it. Apparently the Conservatives want to examine the tapes themselves. Seems that they have some in-house expertise with that sort of thing. (To be followed up with a internal report to the Prime Minister, authored with the assistance of the newly-reinstated Wajid Khan now that he’s paid off his election financing fine – gotta make sure to keep him close, can’t afford any more leaks about, say, what might be in that Middle East report of his).

#317 Greg on 02.29.08 at 10:06 pm

What if we don’t get an election .. what will happen next ..??!!!

By Harry S on 02.29.08 9:10 pm

Seeing as where you seem to be having a lucid moment, I will offer this;

It’s like watching Nascar, Oh look, they’re making a left turn, now they’re making another left turn….I wonder what will happen next??????

#318 dj on 02.29.08 at 10:37 pm

“The only insurance company in a position to write such a policy is The New Conservative Party, CEO Stephen Harper, CFO James Flaherty.

By Geminesse on 02.29.08 3:12 pm

Huh? Are you serious? How do you think that a political party would hide a million dollar payout? Give your head a shake. Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:24 pm”

Actually it is quite easy. They made 20-30 BILLION disappear just last year….INCOME TRUSTS!

#319 pissinginthetent.com on 02.29.08 at 11:23 pm

What more do you need to bring the conservatives down ??

#320 Gord on 02.29.08 at 11:24 pm

I think that Mr. Martin knew bullshit when he read it. Period. Otherwise, he would have LOVED to nail Mr. Harper with this, or even have one of his cohorts do it for him. We are talking a full year here. Not a few days.

Leasa

By Leasa on 02.29.08 10:55 am

Leasa,

The foul-mouthed Leasa emerges again , showing her true colours. Does this mean the phony “nice girl” act is finally over?

Or will you again, next week for the umpteenth time, insist that you are really a nice person and beg, once again, for respect?

Or will it be time for more unctuous overtures to Garth?

#321 Molly on 02.29.08 at 11:34 pm

Although let’s remember Martin has sat on this for over a year. Opportunistic or what?

#322 Gord on 03.01.08 at 12:20 am

By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 1:33 pm

Oh Bill…how are ya? You should not be happy about this at all. Do you forget who was trying with malice and vengeance to unseat Mr. Chretien while he was a ’sitting Prime Minister’? Think hard Bill…Does Paul Martin and his minions ring a bell? LOL

“Assuming the document was forged, either the forger or some other person sent it to the National Post to create controversy and undermine the authority of a sitting Prime Minister of Canada,” it said. “The National Post itself admitted that if the document was forged, it would be evidence of a criminal conspiracy to force a duly elected Prime Minister from office.”

By Leasa on 02.29.08 2:36 pm

Once again the Hyper Partisan Queen weighs in.
Grasping at straws, gasping with speculation and wishful thinking, foaming at the mouth and oozing venom from every pore, was there ever a person more consumed with hatred than Leasa?

#323 Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 at 12:25 am

Seems that they have some in-house expertise with that sort of thing.

By Dube on 02.29.08 9:42 pm

Why, Yes, they do. it is called Sound Forge, a computerized editing program.

Not to worry, the cat is out of the bag; The barn door was left open…Harper is on TAPE! Only you, and the CRAP trolls could turn this into a spin cycle white wash.

Oh, and Leasa, the fee for the raw, unedited tape was $500, not $1,500 as you played Rug Dealer earlier!

#324 Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 at 12:30 am

Nice to have the saying reinforced in full public view, “What goes around comes around”.

By Charles Oxley on 02.29.08 9:40 pm

Isn’t it so? I wonder how nuch Fibreeze was sprayed at the Death Star today? Their was no need for the phoney SPRAY SWEAT to make Harper look ‘manly!’

Bye Stevey, you scumbag LIAR!

#325 Drew on 03.01.08 at 3:09 am

By Brian Dondo on 02.29.08 4:41 pm

By brain on 02.29.08 4:45 pm

I tend to agree that the CWB issue “may” be the vote that brings down the house.

But, there are points to ponder and questions to ask.

Will Dion (the lib caucus) see the Cadman issue as enough to get the libs over the hump and in a position to fight an election successfully? I tend to think so, but who am I to say one way or the other? Trust me, there’s a good reason I don’t play poker.

The CWB issue is a funny one since the issue is split by the farmers themselves. The libs “could” well abstain on the vote, although I doubt it would serve them well since they are on record as being against tearing down the CWB and should be in the house in full force if only to prove the point that they are true to their word.

The NDP and/or Bloc can’t defeat the motion so what they do or don’t do is moot. Although (for the sake of keeping the peace) it’s safe to say that the NDP would vote against and the Bloc don’t care.

My bet up until the advent of the Cadman deal was that the libs were going to hold out and see how they fare in the upcoming bi-elections. If they won 3 of 4 they’d jump on the first opportunity to go to the polls and ride the storm until fall 2009 if not.

Now, who knows? I can’t begin to imagine what Monday may bring, nevermind waiting until the 17th.

Did I ever have a doubt that Ritz would table the bill? Not for one second. Up until now, Harperco has been feeling more than just a tad cocky and more than happy to meet the libs half way on many issues whilst beating them (Dion) into the ground. Flim Flam Flaherty even tabled a mostly liberal budget and came up smelling like a rose (although that one is in doubt now) and left the libs holding their nutsacks not knowing what to do next other than playing a waiting game.

Mark my words, until the Cadman issue surfaced, King Stephen would have been happy to see an election. Now? I’ll bet he’s sleeping in Depends. heh heh.. As he should be too.

In light of the Cadman affair, I fold because the stakes are way too high for me… As much as I’d love to think I’ll see Saint Stephen and his merry band of corrupt cohorts swinging in the breeze soon, somehow I just can’t convince myself to believe that criminal charges will ever be laid or they (the cons) won’t find some beyond belief way to weasel out of it.

#326 Van on 03.01.08 at 6:18 am

Mr. Harper made those comments in 2006, after Chuck Cadman had died. I was in the room. — Garth

Prove it. Just because you claim he said them doesn’t make it so.Especially since you have been known to stretch the truth. Perhaps this is another case.

#327 Dube on 03.01.08 at 8:10 am

Only you, and the CRAP trolls could turn this into a spin cycle white wash.

By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 12:25 am

Huh? Bill, I suggest you reread my post. And please take note, the word “satire” plays a significant role.

#328 Leasa on 03.01.08 at 8:57 am

By Gord on 02.29.08 11:24 pm

Oops, I said ‘shit’! I’m so sorry, I forgot my womanly place in all this.

Leasa

You’d be a riot at parties.

#329 Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 at 11:33 am

By Van on 03.01.08 6:18 am

You prove he wasn’t! Fair enough Van?

#330 Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 at 11:38 am

By Dube on 03.01.08 8:10 am

My sincere apologies. Seems I misread what you said, probably the hour and this set of Old Tired eyes. LOL

#331 Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 at 11:41 am

By Dube on 03.01.08 8:10 am

Actually, after reviewing what was said, and I posted, the comment was to Leasa, but I forgot to insert her comment.

My comment to you was also satirical. LOL

#332 Dube on 03.01.08 at 1:26 pm

By Dube on 03.01.08 8:10 am

By Dube on 03.01.08 8:10 am
My sincere apologies. Seems I misread what you said, probably the hour and this set of Old Tired eyes. LOL

By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 11:38 am

No problem, I in fact suspected as much because I’ve often been guilty of doing the same many a time; fortunately when lucky, I’ve caught myself.

The premise of tampering was so downright obvious, desperate and stupid that I had visions of the Conservative expert techy [ read: Grewal ] getting a hold of the tape and returning the “real” tape, complete with “missing passages” spoken in a voice with a decidedly East Indian lilt (a noticeably discordant modulation within the flow, not unlike Apu from the Simpsons sandwiched in between a more Harper-like discourse). The thought of Khan then preparing an “eyes-only” report upon which an uncorroborated retort would be based, fit within this hapless scenario of democracy thieves. At that point, while it was initially in jest, it struck me that the welcome of Khan back into the Conservative fold, despite his taint, may have indeed been to prevent leakage of other embarrassing moments; it didn’t dawn on me until I wrote the post, but upon reflection, I think there is a kernel of validity to that. Can’t afford more loose cannons to spoil a well-laid script.

#333 John L on 03.01.08 at 11:19 pm

“I was in the room.” says Garth, in regard to the comments, by Harper, about Cadman. You do understand that you’re not seen as an unbiased source of what may or may not have been said, right?

Compared to say, you, who won’t even post under his real name? — Garth

#334 John L on 03.01.08 at 11:21 pm

The real tragedy is that this “scandal”, coming long after Chuck Cadman, apparently a man of high ethics, died is being spun into a political soap opera by our self-serving “leaders”. This won’t reflect well on anyone!

#335 Andrea Timmons on 03.02.08 at 10:49 am

Isn’t it ironic that Dona Cadman is the Conservative candidate for Chuck’s old riding????