We’re not making this up.

Imagine if you watched neighbourhood kids walking by your house everyday, on the way to school or the mall. Imagine if, like most teenagers these days, they went by in baggy jeans and hoodies. Now imagine you got a piece of information in your mailbox from the government, saying you should be afraid of kids exactly like that.

Welcome to the Harper Years. Fear of others. Fear of young people. Fear of crime.

In their unseemly desire to raise public support by scaring the crap out of people, the federal Conservatives are flooding middle-class ridings like Halton and Peterborough with mailers saying we need to get tough on young thugs.

You know the kind. In the streets. With hoodies. In Canada. We’re not making this up.

Fortunately, there are citizens left in this country who abhor the politics of fear. Some of them have spoken out here. And I add my voice. Conservatives are largely manufacturing a threat, so they can pose a solution. Despite the fact recent stats show a big drop in crime, we’re supposed to be hiding indoors for fear the hoodie people show up.

Shame on my MP colleagues for doing this. It diminishes us all.

BTW. You should have seen me as a young adult. That was scary.

198 comments ↓

#1 Tired of it all on 07.31.08 at 9:52 am

It’s because of rock and or roll. Or Brittany Spear’s Tummy. Or American Idol.

Our boy Harpo should rather ask why kids feel the need to wear hoodies. Too many overbearing Boomers trying to criminalize good old fashioned adolescent hi-jinx is my reductive conclusion.

Who’s the busy-body now, Harpo?

#2 they're all nuts on 07.31.08 at 10:06 am

Look up the word “terrorist” in the dictionary.

I don’t think it’s suppose to be synonymous with “conservative”,… is it?

#3 Lycan Stark on 07.31.08 at 10:12 am

Nothing said in that ad is untrue. Young offenders are committing violent crimes without fear of consequences. Keeping these dangerous criminals off the streets should be a priority. There needs to be tougher sentences,not only to keep these violent thugs off our streets, but to also send a concrete message that their violent criminal actions won’t be tolerated.

You say youth crime is down, but if you actually did your homework, you’d know that very violent youth crime is up, the youth crime that people are most concerned with. What the Tories are saying is not politics of fear, it is politics of action; something the Liberals are totally lacking in regards to the issue of crime, youth or otherwise.

#4 heartofnathaniel on 07.31.08 at 10:13 am

Um, not to sound like a nervous sort, but for the last 10 years or so, I keep an eye on young guys who pass by in their hoodies and other accoutrements. As for looking scary when we were younger – yes, we looked scary at times but that’s all we did.

Now, I am aware of the violence perpetuated by some young people and I am always on the alert.

Ah yes, Garth – guns in the streets. I thought the party had apologized for that and here you are reminding us.

#5 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 10:14 am

I think that you have gone a little too far over the top on that one!
By Candid Reflections on 07.30.08 11:49 pm

Yup, this is the distraction part folks and I see Garths next thread is the denial that goes with it. Lovely bunch you political hacks are, not a care about the children. Just use them, abuse.

Everyone knows the Liberals brought in the new/old YOA to hide the amount on crime the youths cause.
Watch out for that turnip on the road folks.

#6 Paully on 07.31.08 at 10:16 am

The rules for young offenders are stupid. The age limit needs to be lowered. It is hard to believe that a seventeen-year-old doesn’t know right from wrong and thus deserves lighter penalties and a second chance. A seventeen-year-old could kill you, and get nothing more than a relative slap-on-the-wrist. That is wrong.

#7 Brian Wilson on 07.31.08 at 10:27 am

Well Turner you have finally completed the circle and become a full fledged Liberal. The hug a thug mentality that has permeated the Liberal party for years (as well as their immigration policies) has resulted in the “increase” in violent crimes. Lorrie Goldstein has a great column this morning that should be required reading for all that think crime stats are down.

#8 Stephen Smith on 07.31.08 at 10:27 am

You say youth crime is down, but if you actually did your homework, you’d know that very violent youth crime is up, the youth crime that people are most concerned with.

Stats and reference for that above statement pls.

but to also send a concrete message that their violent criminal actions won’t be tolerated.

They have minimum sentences in some US states. They went down this road a while ago, now the Conservatives are just following along. One big problem with this is the analysis of the data does not support that minimum sentences reduce the rate of crime. In other words it doesn’t work and in the end it just costs more to lock them up than if the money was put into programs to stop crime before it starts. I think the ratio is something in dollars $100 a day for jail vs $27 a day for prevention.

#9 Traciatim on 07.31.08 at 10:33 am

I agree with Lycan Stark. Young offenders get light punishment for crimes that have huge consequences. This needs to change and very quickly.

#10 Bonnie N BC on 07.31.08 at 10:33 am

Above the Law

Age is no excuse.
Nobody is above the law.

Jeepers Garth, Dean Del Mastro is the gift that keeps on giving. Boy, he’s lucky he’s not in my riding.

What’s up with his constituents? Having never been to Peterborough is this place “Pleasantville’?

Take a look at Dean’s 2006 Election campaign expenses are they legal? So far…

But ethical? Not a chance the 15k survey/research passes the “fishy” test.

Nobody is above the law. (I think the correct grammar Dean should be “No one is above the law”.)

Conservatives seem to have some sort manic disorder when it comes to the Non-Pleasantville world. Too bad they can’t pull their narrow minds out of the 50’s and try and live in the 21st century.

#11 Annie on 07.31.08 at 10:35 am

Bush is the same way..people are terrified. Why do the Cons do this..Do they actually believe these things?

#12 heartofnathaniel on 07.31.08 at 10:37 am

My former neighbours moved in when their youngest was 5. The kid was a total menace and his parents abdicated their responsibilities as parents with the excuse “kids today”. This guy knew right from wrong and he knew that stealing things, breaking things, defacing cars, defacing driveways, etc. was wrong and his parents did nothing until we started charging them for the labour involved in replacing or repairing what their little kid was doing. Today, he is a teenager and he’s a useless slob but at least he’s too lazy and out of shape to do anything good or bad.

He caused nothing but trouble in our neighbourhood and he is the reason that we all have fences in our back yards. And, yes, he wore one of those hoodies, low-riding pants, undone high-tops and still does.

Young offender laws are a joke.

#13 Joe T on 07.31.08 at 10:37 am

I don’t disagree that offenders, both young and old, but especially young, and getting away with a slap on the wrist when they should be hit with very tough punishments. This is the main platform that I agreed with the Con’s on in the past election. I want to see those responsible for crime held accountable. For instance, take the two little shits that slashed tires thoughout a whole neighbourhood in NFLD the other night. The justice system as it stands will never put an appropriate punishment on those guys (or girls).

But that has NOTHING to do with the point of Garth’s posting here. The posting was on the propoganda of fear that the CON’s are spending taxpayer dollars to send to Canadians. The content is propoganda, nothing more, the cost out of our pockets. We should all be outraged.

I would never vote for a party that would stoop to these levels to weasle votes by preying on fear. Instead, I would lobby the liberals to also stand up for victims of crime and make the justice system much tougher than it is.

#14 Tim N on 07.31.08 at 10:41 am

By Lycan Stark on 07.31.08 10:12 am

OK – so tell me what does:

Keeping dangerous youth criminals off the streets while awaiting trail

really mean?

What’s dangerous? If a kid gets in a fist fight at school – we are going to lock him up, with out a trail, (like Gitmo?) until he has one? What’s a
young offender? What age?

Also:

Tougher sentences that send a clear message –

What does that mean? Longer sentences? Forced labour? Whippings? What message do we want to send?

My problem with these stupid ads is that there are no details.

I will not support a party, or policy without seeing the details first.

#15 Caper on 07.31.08 at 10:43 am

Ethnic profiling has evolved into hoodie profiling.. There has always been bullies on the street, but with population densities increasing and the violence in our media seems to increase the problem. We MUST be careful not to “profile” young people. we should pay attention to those who do the bullying and insure that they stay within the law. but DO NOT assume that all youg folks are to be feared. The vast majority are really good kids.

#16 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 10:44 am

A seventeen-year-old could kill you, and get nothing more than a relative slap-on-the-wrist. That is wrong.
By Paully on 07.31.08 10:16 am

Have you given any though as to why Canada is raising children that wants to kill you?

#17 Sherm on 07.31.08 at 10:46 am

The politics of fear appears to be working judging from the first 10 comments or so.

Every generation has it’s way of expressing itself. Our kids have no direction, they are insecure, the world is a mess so they hid behind baggy clothes and hoodies. That doesn’t mark them as criminals.

As for youth crime getting tough on violent crime for teens does make sense. But without the rehab/support programs in place what good is it? Prison only makes it worse. After 16 they are not children and should be held accountable.

However, even though hoodies make me nervous too it’s because I am older and have forgotten how we looked to the older generation when we were teens.

Hoodies are not the problem. Fear-mongering only alienates our teens more than they already are.

#18 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 10:50 am

You say youth crime is down, but if you actually did your homework, you’d know that very violent youth crime is up

By Lycan Stark on 07.31.08 10:12 am

Not only that but mischief from the highest sole custody rate generation in history is up 38% which will turn into the most unbelievable youth crime spree. Nobody has to take the facts at face value, just sit back and watch it happen over the next five years.

The distraction of blaming this on parents or insisting on blaming the children by lowering court ages isn`t working so now Garth has gone to denial mode. Cdn politics at its best, anything to win including sacrificing a whole generation of children.
Nice country we`ve got here, well it would be except for our elected federal government.

#19 Brock on 07.31.08 at 10:53 am

Garth,

This is no different than socialist enviro-whackos like Al Gore (and Stephane Dion) using scare tactics to drum up support.

The left has the environment. The right has law and order. They each beat them like a cheap drum.

#20 Marcel Beaudoin on 07.31.08 at 11:00 am

I am just curious how this is different from the ads that the liberals ran in the last election claiming that the Conservatives were planning on deploying the military in cities, implying that they were planning on bringing us closer to martial law. Not saying that two wrongs make a right, I just find it interesting.

The difference is, that Lib ad never aired. It certainly was not send to every home by MPs, paid for by the taxpayers. Is this a serious question? — Garth

#21 Ron p on 07.31.08 at 11:07 am

Now imagine you got a piece of information in your mailbox from the government, saying you should be afraid of kids exactly like that.
posted by Garth Turner on 07.31.08 @ 9:44 am

Over my lifetime I have learned that fear and greed are a salesperson’s best tools. That’s ok, I can accept the use of these tactics if they are genuine, afterall we need to be convinced before we buy into something that is intended to benefit ourselves.

But what can be said when a salesperson, and in this case a political party, uses a FALSE fear that is intended to benefit them?

For myself, this type of mailout is a form of oppression and certainly can be described as prejudice. What irks me the most is that this minority gov’t under H is totally desensitised to what they are doing. This gov’t is purposely misleading the citizenry and I firmly believe that Harper will never learn the error of his ways, and this cycle of discrimination will continue.

Alexis deToqueville in his seminal work, Democracy In America written in the 1830s, believed that America’s version of democracy, which Canadians share, suffered from a fatal flaw, a flaw that derived from the American character itself. DeToqueville observed that Americans had two conflicting desires:
(1) The desire to be free, and (2) the desire to be led.

IMO, if Harper is allowed to continue as PM, this second desire will lead to the undoing of the first; a situation that I believe is unfolding in the US.

#22 Michael on 07.31.08 at 11:09 am

Reminds me of a quote from Pope Julius 111; circa 1500. “Do you not know, my son, with what little understanding the world is ruled?” My question is: Do Canadians really understamd the degree of incompetence that is now running the country? Or ruining the country…of course not. Just look at the money the Cons are spending on propaganda and brain washing…most of it tax payer money. If they spent just half that amount on youth activities the good effects would be everlasting.
The crapers have raised ingenuous mendacity to an art form. Nation building is not their strong suite…building prisons is. And, of course, the crapers know how to fill them.
What has Harper and his crew done since cominging to power? Destroyed a thriving Income Trust sector, exacerbated the hollowing out of Canadian industry and attacked the very Canadian ethos that made Canada the envy of the world. Just look at Bell Canada Enterprise; now a Burlesque
Comedy of Errors with 2500 job, and counting, gone along with Billions in tax revenue.
Harper wants an election…give him one!!!

#23 C. B. Innes on 07.31.08 at 11:10 am

It seems evident that the damage has already been done. The comments above reflect the problem. Every teen gets tarred by the actions of a few and the new right demand to be the accuser, judge, jury, and executioner.

There is no doubt that there needs to be a re-evaluation of the young offender’s act it would be a disaster to allow all young people to be vilified and condemned by self-righteous bigotry. While it may be the unintended consequences of thoughtless partisanship it clearly appeals to those who are governed by emotion rather than intelligence.

#24 Dee on 07.31.08 at 11:16 am

They love to stereotype don’t they?

Yes, we’ll take all the young offenders, throw them in a locked room and throw away the key. Longer sentences won’t deter crime especially when the individuals think they don’t have a future anyway.

There is so much disrespect nowadays. No respect for the RCMP, adults don’t respect the police why should the youth? Coverups, political interference, tasering innocent citizens and so on.

Corporations harvesting this country of its natural and human resources, leaving a stench of poverty and waste behind.

Do you really think the youth don’t see what the adults have been up to? 12 year olds saying that they’ll have to be responsible for cleaning up the environment mess we made.

Children are not a ‘future resource’, they’re children. They’re not something we use up and throw away. They’re entitled to the same opportunities we had. I don’t think they see the same opportunities for themselves.

As for the gun registry? The opponents of gun registry were pretty hyped about that especially Western farmers yet not a peep about KVD. I would think KVD would be more intrusive to farmers??

Giving youth a future of their choosing is a far better tool to crime prevention then the threat of a longer jail sentence.

#25 tricia on 07.31.08 at 11:26 am

It’s not often I get riled but this mail out by the Conservative MP’s is just bloody stupid nonsense. As a seventy three year old woman, the last thing on my mind as I walk down the street is to “keep an eye on young guys” fearing that they might harm me! As a retired teacher I would say about 98% of teenagers are NOT threat to the population in general. With five grandchildren between the ages of 13 and 18 who love their jeans and hoodies, I take exception to them being portrayed as young punks and a threat to society. Guess what they are doing this summer? Baby sitting, cutting grass, working in a store, earning money for university and college, keeping in touch with their grandparents, going to the odd movie, playing baseball, soccer and swimming in the lake. And all their friends are doing the same. I know that there are kids who go off the rails and do terrible things but to tar them all with the same brush is just ludicrous. To encourage others to live in fear is obscene.

#26 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 11:28 am

There is so much disrespect nowadays. No respect for the RCMP, adults don’t respect the police why should the youth? Coverups, political interference, tasering innocent citizens and so on.

By Dee on 07.31.08 11:16 am

It all starts with our federal governments disrespect for the rule of law and the people they serve.

#27 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 11:31 am

The hug a thug mentality that has permeated the Liberal party for years (as well as their immigration policies) has resulted in the “increase” in violent crimes.By Brian Wilson on 07.31.08 10:27 am

Is every kid in a hoodie or with baggie pants a thug?

Nope! I don’t think so.

#28 Caper on 07.31.08 at 11:33 am

well said, Dee

#29 Johnny on 07.31.08 at 11:33 am

While it may be the unintended consequences of thoughtless partisanship it clearly appeals to those who are governed by emotion rather than intelligence.

By C. B. Innes on 07.31.08 11:10 am

Ain’t it the truth!

#30 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 11:36 am

I think the above ad is very poor for kids. Why don’t Conservatives make up their minds on one or the other.

Get handguns or kids with loose pants and hoodies off the street.

#31 CAL on 07.31.08 at 11:37 am

Have you given any though as to why Canada is raising children that wants to kill you?

By got rope? on 07.31.08 10:44 am

Excellent! Let’s go back to the root of the problem and why kids are out on the street creating havoc in the first place, if indeed they are. It’s a multi-faceted problem and not one that will be easily put right…..immigrants with one foot in the old country and one in the new; kids wanting to fit in; bullying; acceptance; poverty. These problems having been going on for hundreds of years everywhere. Where would we begin? I know! I know! Let’s throw them all in jail, eh, Mr. Harper. That’s the answer.

#32 CAL on 07.31.08 at 11:39 am

I hope everyone could hear the sarcasm in that last post. LOL

#33 Lycan Stark on 07.31.08 at 11:53 am

Well Stephen Smithat 07.31.08 10:27 am, you wanted stats:

Youth crime increases for the first time since 2003. The youth crime rate includes all young persons aged 12 to 17 accused of committing a crime, whether they were formally charged by police or dealt with by other means such as a warning, caution, or referral to a diversionary program.

The youth crime rate increased 3% in 2006, the first increase since 2003. Violent crime among youth rose 3%, while property crime dropped 3%. “Other” Criminal Code offences, such as mischief and disturbing the peace, were up 9%.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/070718/d070718b.htm

Well Stephen, I could say I told you so, but I prefer to let the facts that you asked for speak for themselves. Next time try a little salt with that foot.

Yes, deterrence and diversion are well and good, but the fact is that these violent thugs aren’t committing crimes against law abiding citizens when they are in jail where they belong.

#34 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 11:53 am

I know! Let’s throw them all in jail, eh, Mr. Harper. That’s the answer.

By CAL on 07.31.08 11:37 am

I`m not sure why you wouldn`t want to put people in jail that are trying to kill you but as to the answer the Liberals had the answer in 1998 with a Liberal report that they ignored.
The Liberals have the root cause of crime in their platform un;like the Tories who ignore it. Unfortunately the Libs are ignoring it as well.
Now that the situation is out of control what do you suggest, more hugs all around or do we give the youth some hope and lead by example and respect the rule of law starting with our federal government.

#35 Jonnay on 07.31.08 at 11:58 am

Always the same story from the Conservative and Godfather del Mastro.

If parents had to take responsibility for their kids actions, it’d be a much better place. These days, parents just say “it’s not my fault my kid’s like this!” The kid kills a baby? Throw both the parent and the kid in jail. The kid bullies another kid? Make the parents pay out of their own pocket, see how they like that. Etc.

#36 A Correctional Grunt on 07.31.08 at 12:00 pm

As a youth correctional officer, let me give you guys an insider view of the YCJA, programming, and rehabilitation.

I am one of many Correctional Officers in a Young Offender facility in Ontario; or at least we USED to be. During the last Government’s tenure we saw our job titles changed to “Youth Services Officer”. That tells you exactly what our current and former provincial and federal Liberal Government’s attitude is and was towards young offenders; that they be “serviced”.

We are are not even allowed to refer to them as “young offenders” when we write out and report them for in-facility infractions and incidents. Now they are “young persons”, and the word “criminal” or “offender”, which is exactly what they are, is forgotten for fear of damaging their already tender sensibilities.

Our use of force training in no longer provided. Now it is U.M.A.B., “understanding and managing aggressive behavior.” We have our officers being continuously investigated and disciplined for defending themselves and we face threats and assaults on a daily basis from these poor, disadvantaged “young persons”. A simple allegation of physical abuse by a young offender who is a murderer or a rapist, even made by one known to falsely accuse in the past, can turn the life of an officer and his family upsidedown, because these are vulnerable “young persons” in need of protection.

We have people running our institutions that have absolutley no experience dealing with young offenders in an instiutional setting, making it very difficult if not impossible to empathize with us and see these issues from our points of view.

Right now, we know the public is outraged at the coddling that young offenders are receiving in this pathetic excuse of a justice system. I tell you, for the most part the public and the people only know a minuscle fraction of the outrageous coddling that goes on in these facilities in the name of “justice, rehabilitation, and detterence”. If the public and ESPECIALLY the victims knew the true extent (and I and many others have many memories and experiences of such numerous instances), they would practically go insane at the thought and the justifications Ministry officials give to support all this coddling of people who have destroyed whole families. It is too bad that I cannot give any specific examples, because we have to protect the right to privacy of these criminal thugs, while their victims try to rebuild their lives.

More and more stories are being reported of these young criminals; some of them robbers, rapists, and murderers serving jokes of a sentence and being released to live out the rest of their young lives; totally unconcerned and unfazed by the havoc they have wrought in their victim’s lives. I speak from personal experience when I say that all most of them are concerned about when they are put in jail is getting out and getting on with THEIR lives. I have witnessed countless times how these unrepentant thugs manipulate the system to their advantage while many of the people who support the perpetuation of this system either look the other way, or are willfully blind to their machinations.

Too many of these repeat young offenders are receiving “alternative measures” in sentencing, and its a big joke to them as they get ready to move on to adult jails, glorifying thier “graduation”. Repeat offenders that are eventually brought to a judge are often given non-custody sentences or just let off in the “care” of their dubious parents. Do you have any idea how many of these young offenders breach the conditions of these laughable sentences? Based on experience, I’d wager over 90% of the ones that finally receive custody sentences and come into our jurisdiction have breaches among their charges.

More and more are guilty of violent crimes. More and more are joining gangs, both in jail and out. They don’t care about counselling, they don’t care about rehabilitation. They don’t care about victims left in their wake. Hell, they don’t even care if they go to jail, because they know for a fact that it is a collosal joke before they move on to the adult system.

Realistically speaking and based on experience, I know we are only very rarely helping these young offenders; especially the violent and entrenched ones. The way the system is set up now is failing. There is no bite to it, and it is seen as a huge joke by those offenders going through it. I hear them laughting about it all the time, every day making light of rehabilitative attempts by the Ministry. They speak all the time of taking programs only to shorten their sentences as they make their “plans” for when they are released. And if THEY think the current Act is pathetic, then you KNOW we have a problem. They are the LAST ones that should not be taking the justice system seriously.

And with that being the case, how do you think the victims of these thugs feel when they go to court and see these laughable sentences handed down to the scum that ruined their lives? Many times we are the escorting officers for these offenders when they attend sentencing hearings. Listening to the cries of dismay from victims and family members when they hear about the sentencing makes me question sometimes why I do what I do.

As I’ve stated, if the public in general only knew the whole true extent, they’d be frothing at the mouths. For example, we are seeing our use of force policy changing and being watered down so much, it can’t even be called that anymore. Our Insitutional Crisis Intervention Teams are slowly being phased out in order to create a more so-called compassionate and caring environment. Our restraint policies are now being written by people that have spent not one day on the front lines seeing if stuff like this will work in an institutional setting. I’ve tried it, I know it doesn’t work.

All this is a recipe for cynicism for the people like me working on the front line, dealing everyday with these unrepentant and smirking criminals, who in reality if not practice, are the ones in charge. We know this system is not having the affect it should. We know that our management is unsupportive much of the time. However, the one thing we know for sure is that we have other. And THAT is why we keep doing what we do; not for any misguided notion that we are helping these pampered and coddled thugs, but for the brother or sister standing next to us.

So is building more facilities and jailing them longer the right idea? Will it help stop youth crime? Maybe, maybe not. But one thing is for certain. It will take these thugs off the streets and make them safer.

#37 maybe Rhino? on 07.31.08 at 12:00 pm

Have you given any though as to why Canada is raising children that wants to kill you?

By got rope? on 07.31.08 10:44 am

Bingo! Bang on!!

If Dad (or Mom) cannot afford to buy the same sneekers as his/her peers, they might steal a pair.

If a kid cannot afford to go to a movie, or place where his peers are going, since they have working parents while the poor kid parents are unemployed, he might steal to get money.

If a kid has no parental guidance, as both need to work just to pay for basic existence, the kid might get involved with gangs, drugs or others.

If a kid is left alone, instead of having good daycare – either parental or otherwise, they might lack developing the social skills due to isolation.

As long as government ignores the causes, the “quality of crimes” performed by youth will increase.

Youth, well encouraged, with opportunity ahead of them will become good citizens. Youth who do not see opportunity, feel they are left behind, become envious of the “privileged ones”, will do what is thought necessary for them to get what they want.

Sure, in some “nice neighbourhoods”, some youth will do crime for the kick, but the vast majority is due to necessity perceived if not real.

The CPC does not seem to understand the disease, and rather than cure, they attack the symptoms. Not a good policy.

#38 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 12:02 pm

It’s a multi-faceted problem and not one that will be easily put right…..immigrants with one foot in the old country and one in the new; kids wanting to fit in; bullying; acceptance; poverty.
CAL on 07.31.08 11:37 am

Immigration levels have not increased at the same level youth problems have. Bulling etc have actually dropped. The only thing that has increased with the problems is the number of parent denied children. The statistics hold these facts up to any scrutiny but go ahead and throw in meaningless facts in order to distract. I`ve seen it all before and yet the situation with our youth just keeps getting worse. Our children must certainly appreciate you bring your foot down on their futures with distract, denial and dismissal. Gee I wonder what Party you support?

#39 James- Chatham on 07.31.08 at 12:05 pm

To everyone who recieved said piece of junk mail… send it back… either unanswered or with the check mark anywhere but on Harper.

What he’s doing is the textbook (just like his economics) management technique for making change. First identify what you want to changed, whether it needs changing or not. Then you have to convince people that the change is necessary. This is what he’s trying to do with all this junk he’s sending, he’s trying to convince people the problem is bigger than it really is. Finally you cement the change. On this what he wants is a Con. majority gov. so he can ride roughshod to get HIS agenda passed.

Yes, there are hoodlums out there. Yes, they need to have the full force of the law applied. But, not every kid who where’s a hoodie is a hoodlum, despite what the PM would have us believe.

BTW, in Europe it has been proven that the majority of Soccer hooligan ring leaders are….
lawyers, doctors, dentists and other professionals, not the hoodie wearing kids sterotyped as trouble makers.

BTBTW (That’s like a PPS) What is Harper doing about his illusional problem anyway?

#40 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 12:05 pm

Get handguns or kids with loose pants and hoodies off the street.
By AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 11:36 am

WOW I sure stirred up the trolls trying to disrupt the conversation.

#41 Lisa on 07.31.08 at 12:06 pm

The Young Offender’s Act needs to be scrapped and replaced with some creative punishments that will deter further crime and teach them something at the same time. Get caught stealing from a restaurant – get sentenced to community service in a food bank for a year. Slashing tires? Write a 100 page essay on the history of vulcanization. See, creative.

Now Garth, I’m just dyin’ to see a pic of your from when you were a young adult!! C’mon, let us see how cute ya were!!

#42 Marc on 07.31.08 at 12:06 pm

A seventeen-year-old could kill you, and get nothing more than a relative slap-on-the-wrist. That is wrong.
By Paully on 07.31.08 10:16 am

An alcoholic with a suspended license could kill you, and get nothing more then a slap on the wrist, so long as s/he hit you with a car s/he was not supposed to be driving. 14 months for one such case in Langley where security cameras saw the man buy a 6 pack hours before the fatel crash. But because the driver fled the scene and showed up at the police station the next day, it was not known if the man was drunk at the time. Lets see, suspended licence, yes, admitted alcoholic, yes, seen buying alcohol hours before the crash, yes, death of a 13 year old girl, yes= 14 months. Great penalties we have. Shoud be minimum 7 years in jail if a driver with a suspended license is found to be involved in a fatel crash. Add another 5 years for hit and run to be served as well and give the gentleman at least 12 years in the slammer. But this is Canada where sentences can be served concurrently, so I guess 7 years would do.

#43 David on 07.31.08 at 12:11 pm

Garth:
As you know I read your blog regually and do indeed coment sometimes. Your post last night gave me great cause for concern and I had to write a reply to some of your comments.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity of addressing some of your comments.

“I’m a Liberal because Stephen Harper ordered me to shut this blog down just days after the last election (I refused), while Stephane Dion tolerates me daily.”

You were also told to take your video camera out of the Government lobby where you were filming. Do you really think it’s a good idea to have a camera rolling when there is the possibility that Ministers are having briefing and talking about confidential information. This could have been secret Canadian info – but even if it was just Party stuff, do you really think its good to put that sort of stuff on a website?

“I’m a Liberal because this is what Progressive Conservatives are called these days – people like me who want fiscal prudence, the lowest possible taxes,”

This Government has delivered a 30 BILLION dollar tax reduction package and you are complaining its not enough and still support the leader who wants to introduce a 15 Billion new tax.

“efficient government,”

Like the Gun registry and the sponsorship program are examples of fine fiscal management.

“and yet are not fixated on social morals, gay sex”

This has been dealt with. The PM has stated that he does not want to reopen that debate.

“or finding backdoor ways of banning abortion.”

This is the comment that I find most offensive.

I presume that you are referring to the private members Bill C-484 introduced by Ken Epp. Ken Epp was elected in late 1993 and has never been defeated in all the elections in that time. As you know the order for private members Bills is done by lottery. Mr. Epp has been in Parliament for 15 years and has never had his name drawn out of the lottery. – Until now. The idea for his bill came out of a tragedy in his riding, as many private members bills do. How can you, with any credibility, criticize a man who has served his constituents with honor and distinction for 15 years for introducing a bill that is an issue close to his heart and I am sure probably is supported by a large number of constituents. After all isn’t that what you keep saying MP’s should do. All members in the Conservative party are allowed a free vote on Private Members Bills. (what is the position in the Liberal Party on voting?) This bill should not lead anyone to think that this is in any way an attempt to take away a woman’s right to choose. In fact the legislation specifically and intentionally uses terminology that describes the injury or death of the unborn child during the commission of a crime against the mother.
Before making such inflaming and generalizing statements you should consider the implications of what you are saying. By inferring that the Conservative Party of Canada is trying to introduce new abortion law you are deliberately misleading the readers on your blog. Indeed it would be interesting to see the responses of your own caucus if you questioned them on the issue of abortion:
In March 1997 Keith Martin introduced a bill to charge pregnant women who abuse alchol and drugs with criminal endagement of a foetus.
In May 2006 Liberal MPs Paul Steckle, Paul Szabo and Tom Wappel attended an anti-abortion rally on Parliament Hill.
Perhaps you should consider the voting record of the following Mp’s before you label the Conservatives as anti abortion: Raymond Bonin, Paul Steckle, Joe Comuzzi, Gurbax Malhi, Paul Szabo, Wayne Easter, Lawrence MacAuley, Alan Tonks, Mark Eyking, Joe Volpe, John Godfrey, Tom Wappel, Dan McTeague, Borys Wrzesnewskyi, Charles Hubbard, Shawn Murphy, Paul Zed and Jim Karygiannis. This is obviously not an exhaustive list (and I think is from 2005) but does make a point – I believe.

On the whole abortion debate I have a question for you. Do you think it is a good thing that Canada does not have ANY abortion law?

“I’m Liberal because this is a party which tries to – and does – reflect our society. Just look at the House of Commons. On one side are row after row of small-town former municipal politicians, ex-cops and Main Street lawyers. On the other is a rainbow of people who have come from the major cities as well as the farms and regions, who reflect groups – like aboriginals and turban-wearing Sikhs – who help make us what we are.”

So I guess Rahim Jaffer, Bev Oda and Nina Grewal do not reflect anything, nor does Gary Goodyear – A chiropractor, Joe Preston – a Wendy’s franchise owner, Ted Menzies– a farmer. (Again not an exhaustive list but does make a point)

“Liberals also believe in a strong federal government and a united Canada. I opposed granting nationhood status to the Quebecois, while Harper promoted it, for example.”

Again your selective memory is interesting. This motion was introduced only after the Bloc were going to introduce a motion that did not include “in a united Canada” In doing this Harper took away the advantage from the Bloc. But again your selection of facts is interesting. You fail to mention that the vote passed by 266 to 16. I wonder who was acting in the best interests of Canada – the 266 or the 16? (Remember which group Dion (who took on and defeated those separatists) was in?)

“Stephen Harper did a hostile takeover of the Conservative brand, with the complicity of Peter MacKay, and simply pulled the trademark over his Reform sweater.”

And yet he gave Peter MacKay everything he asked for in the merger.

“that gave awards to my father or engaged my mother as a constituency manager.”

So are you saying that because your family and friends can’t get appointments or jobs under this party your not one of them any more?

Your note is as hollow as it is sanctimonious. I’ll answer just three points. First: My staff did shoot videos of Conservative colleagues in the lobby, at their request. Ministers with secrets? That’s a laugh. Second: Ken Epp wants abortion banned. But don’t believe me – ask him. That’s what he told me. Third: The remark about my family was crass and needless. You will not be posting here again as a consequence. — Garth

#44 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 12:18 pm

I would like to remind everyone of what we already know. The federal government has been on a campaign to destroy the family structure. There are many examples of action by both political parties that we all know about.
To try and gauge the insanity of eliminating parents, the family structure is the oldest institution we have. It predates religion, the rule of law, communities, countries and certainly nations, like Canada. The family structure is the cornerstone of society. This country was built on the strength of the family structure. Two million single parent children with the highest number of parent denied children in history including those parents lost in WW1 and WW2 combined. Were do you think Cdn society is headed without family? Vancouver BC Canada leads the way, the results are in.

#45 gary v on 07.31.08 at 12:20 pm

We need more guns in our possession… too bad that no one had a gun on that bus on the trans canada highway.

#46 wjp on 07.31.08 at 12:20 pm

Young offender laws are a joke.

By heartofnathaniel on 07.31.08 10:37 am

After having worked for many years in a High School in one of the toughest areas in Toronto, the one example you gave is hardly reflective of our young people today, at least that has been my experience. They are, for the most part, fine upstanding citizens…

#47 Liz on 07.31.08 at 12:22 pm

This kind of ad, and this smearing of an entire generation of Canadians and this inducement of unfounded fear, is what prompts some people of uncertain mental stability to pick up a gun, walk into a church and start blasting away.

Del Mastro and Stephen Harper should be ashamed of themselves.

Way to get the youth vote!

#48 Stephen Smith on 07.31.08 at 12:25 pm

I say we ban hoodies and baggy pants and rap and rock and roll and video games amd mp3 players and my space and facebook and instant messager and baseball caps worn sideways and long hair and all go back to the 50’s then everything will be better won’t it Beaver. Because we all know nothing bad happened in the 50’s it was the 60’s that caused all the problems and the rise of Liberal hippy nonsense that is still with us today.

#49 Lycan Stark on 07.31.08 at 12:28 pm

Well Stephen Smith, the information I got about the rise in violent youth crime came from Statscan. That information is readily available to anyone. I told you initially that I wasn’t going to do Liberals’ homework for them, and I certainly won’t do it for you.

#50 Blah Blah on 07.31.08 at 12:33 pm

It’s not going to work just as the Libs trying to scare Canadians against Harper didn’t. Canadians can see through this fluff, and are not afraid of (colored) teenagers in hoodies.

#51 Brent Fullard on 07.31.08 at 12:34 pm

Garth: It’s only “marketing”. Just like this:

Donate your BCE Shares to The Conservative Party of Canada.

http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/07/donate-your-bce-shares-to-conservative.html

#52 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 12:45 pm

A seventeen-year-old could kill you, and get nothing more than a relative slap-on-the-wrist. That is wrong.
By Paully on 07.31.08 10:16 am

Was it self defense? You didn’t bother to define the situation.

#53 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 12:46 pm

A Correctional Grunt on 07.31.08 12:00 pm

Very informative. Do you realize that with the new/old YOA you`re only dealing with the tip of the iceberg as the intent of the Act is to keep youths out of jail and off the crime statistics. While your right about the situation getting worse inside youth detention centres it`s actually getting a lot worse outside because a much larger portion of youths are not included thanks to the YOA?

#54 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 12:48 pm

Canadians can see through this fluff, and are not afraid of (colored) teenagers in hoodies.
By Blah Blah on 07.31.08 12:33 pm

I see people crossing the street every time a group of youths are coming their way. Where do you live, in a gated community?

#55 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 12:51 pm

Oh, I get it now. The Ministers remarks coincided with the Youth and Crime mailer to some ridings.

And this is not political?

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/news-nouv/nr-cp/2008/doc_32275.html

#56 cms on 07.31.08 at 12:54 pm

It’s high time for the lucrative American industry of super-jails to move into Canada. So much money to be made by private industry off of the backs of society’s vulnerable. Hurry up, Stevie!

#57 Herb on 07.31.08 at 12:56 pm

Dan Gardner is an Ottawa Citizen columnist who tackles statistics now and then. Here is a recent column on the use and abuse of crime statistics –

http://www.dangardner.ca/Coljul2508.html

The archive on his site is worth exploring for past columns on crime and drug policies.

#58 Ron p on 07.31.08 at 1:00 pm

We need more guns in our possession… too bad that no one had a gun on that bus on the trans canada highway.

By gary v on 07.31.08 12:20 pm

A metal detector would have been the solution.

But that someone with a gun would have just multiplied the problem and would have been charged with murder. So now what? Hell, if eveybody had a gun on that bus we could have a real shot out with just one guy left standing.

You can’t advocate that we should be above the law?
Be careful of what you wish for cuz I don’t think you could survive in that kind of society?

#59 Randy on 07.31.08 at 1:01 pm

I see the Harper moonies were given their orders today. Flood Turners blog with anti Turner/Liberal crap.

#60 Joe T on 07.31.08 at 1:07 pm

We need more guns in our possession… too bad that no one had a gun on that bus on the trans canada highway.

By gary v on 07.31.08 12:20 pm

I could not disagree more. Put a gun or three on the bus and you get not one death, but likely 2, perhaps more if people are sitting around them. We do not know anything about the mental state of the killer, but can assume it isn’t sane. The correct fix would have been to recognize it and prevent the situation from happening, not firing off guns in a crowded bus.

Keep a gun locked up in your room in case of a break in while you are home sure. Carry one and use it on a crowded bus? Hell no!

#61 Molly on 07.31.08 at 1:12 pm

Way to get the youth vote!

By Liz on 07.31.08 12:22 pm

Exactly. And that goes for the parents of the youth as well!

This is a matter of the pot calling the kettle, since CRAP is full of corrupt last-century gasbags doing ev. it can to circumvent the law. What is wrong with the talent pool in that party anyway? As if Canadians aren’t sick to death of those old, old tactics that emanated south of us.

Walking down an alley yesterday (taking a short cut) a big, mean nasty dog showed up. It was two male teens wearing baggy low riding pants, sleeveless hoodies that came to my aid. They saw my fear quite plainly and escorted me out to the street. Very polite and when I looked up at them, they had sweet, beautiful faces with nice clear eyes. I was grateful.

#62 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 1:15 pm

Now they are “young persons”, and the word “criminal” or “offender”, which is exactly what they are, is forgotten for fear of damaging their already tender sensibilities.
By A Correctional Grunt on 07.31.08 12:00 pm

Were you a correctional officer or did you see yourself as nothing more than a warehouse officer for bad kids with loose pants and hoodies?

What about rehabilitation? Or is that just a synonymous word for warehousing of young adults?

Are you just a person with an political agenda or were you even a correctional officer?

How would we know?

How long ago were you employed in that capacity?

Did you ever see positive behavioural outcomes with these kids?

On this blog you could be Bugs Bunny if you really wanted to be.

Just asking!

#63 Tim on 07.31.08 at 1:21 pm

A couple of things are happening. Cellphone cameras are everywhere. Just search “police brutality” on Youtube. Now tasering incidents getting play. And then up pops Stock at the photo-op pandering to police.

So you’re getting a lot of people who nominally support the police angry at the Tories because while they don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, they want police reform. It’s pretty hard to spin video and the CPC fails badly. (And today’s comments about a “knife registry” about the Greyhound incident is just insane. Why do they have to always relate everything back to their friggin’ talking points?)

Secondly, these ten-percenters are supposed to target certain ridings. One message in one riding based on polling, another for another riding. Similar to how Harper didn’t quite repeat everything he said in French en anglais in Quebec City yesterday. Problem is, they’re being scanned and passed around everywhere. Sure, the Lowell Green crowd will eat them up, but there goes the the strategy for gaining immigrant support. Bye bye 905!

These people need to stop importing US consultants. We play a different game up here.

#64 Men With Hats on 07.31.08 at 1:26 pm

Myth vs. Real Statistics

Now that the Con-bots have spouted off their fascist dogma with concerns to the YOA .
Here are some stats .

Police reported 605 homicides in 2006, 58 fewer than in 2005. This resulted in a rate of 1.85 homicides per 100,000 population, 10% lower than in 2005. The national homicide rate has generally been declining since the mid-1970s, when it was around 3.0.

Virtually all provinces and territories reported declines in their homicide rate in 2006. The most notable occurred in Ontario, where there were 23 fewer homicides.

The highest homicide rates were found again in the Western provinces. Saskatchewan, which had 40 homicides, reported the highest rate (4.1 per 100,000 population) among the provinces.

The lowest provincial homicide rates were in Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Quebec. The rate in Quebec (1.2 per 100,000 population) was the lowest in that province in 40 years.

Among all 27 CMAs, the highest homicide rates were reported in Regina, where the rate was 4.5 homicides per 100,000 population, Edmonton (3.7) and Saskatoon (3.3).

Bucking the national trend, the Ottawa–Gatineau area reported an unusually high number of homicides. The rate in Gatineau (3.1) was the highest in almost 20 years, and Ottawa’s rate (1.8), while similar to the national average, was the highest in over a decade.

Media

Many juvenile justice academics agree that the media are chiefly to blame for false public perceptions regarding criminal justice issues (Nova Scotia Youth Secretariat, 1993; Hartnagel & Baron, 1994, 1995; Gabor, cited in Hum & Bohuslawsky, 1994; Carrington, cited in McKeen & McConnell, 1994). The Canadian Sentencing Commission (1987), in a study of 800 Canadian newspapers, found that over half of the stories dealing with criminal justice had an element of violence in them, and one quarter dealt with homicide. Thus, violent crime is highly over-represented in the news media given that it comprises only 11% of all crime in Canada (CCJS, 1997, July, p. 3). When questioned in a follow-up study, editors of many of the surveyed papers admitted that they typically only report the worst types of crime, and the worst cases of those crimes. On the rare occasions that information is given with respect to sentencing, no minimum or maximum penalties for offences are indicated. Furthermore, only punishments that appear exceptionally lenient are deemed newsworthy.
News as entertainment .

#65 slg on 07.31.08 at 1:27 pm

The policies that Harper is using are the policies of Bush and the US – and guess what folks, crimes in the US are increasing and increasing and increasing.

So, why have policies that have proven not to work?

Doesn’t make sense to me.

#66 Lana on 07.31.08 at 1:27 pm

In other words it doesn’t work and in the end it just costs more to lock them up than if the money was put into programs to stop crime before it starts. I think the ratio is something in dollars $100 a day for jail vs $27 a day for prevention.

By Stephen Smith on 07.31.08 10:27 am

Kids thrown in jail with hardened criminals–great idea! (sarcasm)

Profiling teenagers as scary because of the clothes they wear is nonsense. In fact, I wear hoodies, and I’m a 61 year old grandma. (I didn’t realize I scared people–they would be more scared if I wore a mini-skirt).

Also, I am a grandmother of teenagers, none who have ever been in trouble, and have had several nieces and nephews go through the teenage years and become responsible citizens. Some of them come from one-parent families, some don’t.

I could go on and on, but what’s the point. People have their mind made up one way or another, either based on their own personal experiences and observation (hopefully), or based on believing crap like the government flier shown above.

#67 Johnny on 07.31.08 at 1:31 pm

We need more guns in our possession… too bad that no one had a gun on that bus on the trans canada highway.

By gary v on 07.31.08 12:20 pm

I wonder if the conservative federal government will contemplate the idea of using local military armouries as repositories of personal firearms for individual firearms owners?

Firearms owners would sign the guns in and out of the armouries, instead of keeping them at home.

#68 Dr Mike from Rodney on 07.31.08 at 1:47 pm

Yikes—I still wear a hoodie—even us greedy old farts have them.

About to be cuffed & stuffed in Rodney.

Dr Mike Popovich–former life-long Progressive Conservative.

#69 Austin So on 07.31.08 at 1:49 pm

Hmmm…do young kids just all of a sudden acquire these behavioural traits?

For better or worse, it arises from the examples led by their parents’ generation. Parents don’t spend time with their children, buy them all sorts of garbage to make up for their lack of attention, expect inanimate objects like cell phones, PSPs, Xboxes, to teach them morality and ethics. Parents abuse the system, tell bald-faced lies to achieve their ends, take advantage of their childrens’ generation by using up all their resources to support their comfortable lifestyle, offer 0 down/40 year mortgages which benefits their collective pockets, make the next generation pay for their utter disregard for the environment, for their material exploits. And youth are disaffected? Hmmm…I wonder why.

To lay the blame on children/youth is truly a distortion of reality.

Fear is the only thing that CPC sheep understand. They believe TV. They believe soundbites. They are unable to think for themselves. They are unable to treat others that look or act differently than them as human beings with inalienable rights. They are lazy and selfish and only think about themselves and their welfare. It is the only thing they understand.

Austin

#70 BE on 07.31.08 at 1:52 pm

“The conservative government is cleaning up the youth-crime mess”

Thanks for posting that link LYCAN STARK, if you look past your quote mining you can clearly see that youth crime has remained stable since 1998 and has dropped sharply since 1991.

There is no “youth-crime mess” this is the exact same conversation from 10 years ago! How soon we all forget!

http://www.johnhoward.ab.ca/PUB/C16.htm

“… It is shown that the public believes that youth crime is increasing dramatically, as is the seriousness of the crimes committed. The official statistics respecting the nature and extent of youth crime are then presented. It is concluded that public perceptions that youth crime is increasing in number and seriousness are not supported by the official data.” – YOUTH CRIME IN CANADA: PUBLIC PERCEPTION VS. STATISTICAL INFORMATION
JOHN HOWARD SOCIETY OF ALBERTA
1998

10 years ago!!!! and nobody remembers…

#71 CC on 07.31.08 at 1:57 pm

The kids are alright. I get along with them well. It’s the adults that disappoint me..

I’m 61 and have hair down to well below my shoulders. I remember the morons in the 60s going on about the coming apocalypse as their broken values were challenged.

The kids I like and have fun with. Adults these days are a pain. The asshole content has gone from maybe 15% when I was young to over 50% these days.

A brutal economic meltdown will sort a lot of this out … bring it.

#72 PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 at 1:57 pm

JUST A LITTLE MORE FEAR-MONGERING

http://multimedia.thestar.com/images/41/89/b9c0c53641ed9836acbf52448b95.jpeg

http://www.garth.ca/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ten-percenter.jpg

Serious Coverage of C.R.A.P. in Levis

Conservatives in retreat

Bob Robertson—Citizen—July 31, 2008

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=23af9e4f-dda8-4ab1-ab28-960c688d36b9

#73 Men With Hats on 07.31.08 at 1:57 pm

Let the Con-bot idiots stew in their fear.
There are good reasons that the YOA is more lenient towards youth crime .
Most adolescents have not yet developed a core personality and tend to clique up with like minded individuals .
In Britain shopkeepers banned teens ,wearing hoodies, from entering their establishments without lowering the hood.
Criminal life has been glamorized by ‘Gangsta ‘ rappers and this is a powerful force coming to bear on undeveloped youth .
The family unit has changed inordinately in the past 2,decades .
Mom is no longer home when school lets out .Creating a generation of latch-key kids .
There are answers .

#74 Johnny on 07.31.08 at 1:59 pm

But that someone with a gun would have just multiplied the problem and would have been charged with murder. So now what? Hell, if eveybody had a gun on that bus we could have a real shot out with just one guy left standing.

You can’t advocate that we should be above the law?
Be careful of what you wish for cuz I don’t think you could survive in that kind of society?

By Ron p on 07.31.08 1:00 pm

Isn’t that what has happened though?
The Harper government gave two years of amnesty to unregsitered firearms owners.

They have no idea who they gave the amnesty to. The don’t klnow their names, their recent crimnal past if any and their faces.

Faces?? Could that be because they now think all criminals wear hoodies and baggy pants?

That’s them ,get ‘em!

#75 David Bakody on 07.31.08 at 2:00 pm

The Political Tactic of using Fear

Of course the people don’t want war…that is understood. But voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. — Hermann Goering

#76 PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 at 2:07 pm

Yikes—I still wear a hoodie—even us greedy old farts have them.

About to be cuffed & stuffed in Rodney.

Dr Mike Popovich–former life-long Progressive Conservative.

By Dr Mike from Rodney on 07.31.08 1:47 pm

Was Dzeikanski wearing a hoodie?

Video of fatal Tasering victim erased

Border agency staff reveal frustration over gag order preventing them from answering reporter questions

Chad Skelton—Vanc’vr Sun—Fri -04-11-08

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=60715eb7-e268-49fe-9a4f-15275fe8930c

DENY … CONCEAL … BLAME OTHERS … THE THREE CORE THEMES OF HARPER’S ACCOUNTABILITY.

#77 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 2:12 pm

We need more guns in our possession… too bad that no one had a gun on that bus on the trans canada highway.

By gary v on 07.31.08 12:20 pm
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
Gary, no one needed a gun to “take out” that deranged passenger! A well trained hand to hand combat guerrilla would have used his “fingers” and or thumbs to very quickly disable or dispatch that mental case with out risk to adjacent passengers. I don’t fear the kook with a gun or knife, but I do highly respect a well skilled commando! Also, this is an extremely rare case and should not be used to reference the problems that need to be addressed. Peculiar it was a teenager that was the victim in this case! and you wonder why they fear adults!

#78 wallyj on 07.31.08 at 2:14 pm

A correctional grunt: Thanks,for the insight. Unfortunately the people on the front line who actually deal with the offenders are usually ignored because they may not have a degree in sociolgy. ‘Feelings’ trump reality for most people until the trouble hits them personally.

#79 Johnny on 07.31.08 at 2:14 pm

The conservatives have law abiding duck hunters thinking the gun registry is going away.

Canada can’t get out of the gun registry unless it serves notice to the UN.

Read article 20 (The dununciation clause) of this document.

You will understand it’s all smoke an mirrors.

http://untreaty.un.org/English/TreatyEvent2002/Texts/English/Firearms_11.pdf

#80 Johnny on 07.31.08 at 2:19 pm

So why dismantle the firearms registry?

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cdic-mcc/19-1/d_e.html

#81 rms on 07.31.08 at 2:24 pm

By A Correctional Grunt on 07.31.08 12:00 pm

From my own experience, this entry is on the edge of mistruth.

I attended visits with young offenders to their parole officers. I left the room and when I returned, the parole officer had the youth cornered; he (the officer) had spread his legs and was playing with his penis. The YO could not escape. Was this a single incident? I don’t think so. This officer had been in the business for more than ten years. Believe me; I never left the room again during a visit. Could the YO report the officer? Of course not, who would believe him. We had been through the court system; young people are not believed or listened to.

Why do we find more youth from the Children’s Aid Society (CAS in Ontario) incarcerated than from outside the system. The Child care system was created to help children. They have failed. It is well known that pedophiles and others who take advantage of youth seek employment where they have free access to young people like arsonists seek employment in the fire department.

So Correctional Grunt may not like the system but he has the wrong solution. Of course YO’s laugh at the system, they are young and young people do not have the life experience or skills needed to cope. Don’t get me started – I wrote the book……

#82 wjp on 07.31.08 at 2:25 pm

Partisanship aside here, what is needed is some substantial funding for youth programming, harsher sentences for hardened offenders, and recognition that the majority of our young people are inherently good people…

#83 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 2:26 pm

I see people crossing the street every time a group of youths are coming their way. Where do you live, in a gated community?

By got rope? on 07.31.08 12:48 pm
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
No Got Rope, enough already. Come clean with the real reason(s) that there are so many single parent families! WOULD IT BE THAT TOO MANY MEN HAVE FAILED THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES TO PROVIDE A PROPER HOME ENVIRONMENT AND ROLE MODEL? How many adult males can not or will not face the reality that they fail to negotiate properly, and will not or cannot discuss/debate what the rules are and must be in both a household and marriage. Brutal beatings are not to be confused with proper discipline. What does a bully not like? It is another bully in his face! You can call me what you like as you already have done so, but that does not make it true. Furthermore, I’m calling you a one issue twisted off twit, that cannot see himself as others see him! It takes courage and honesty to self criticize effectively. Go hide the rope before you do it, then use it skip with.

#84 300baud on 07.31.08 at 2:27 pm

I recently watched Star Trek V again. THAT was scary. It’s the one where, oh by the way, Spock has a full-blooded Vulcan brother who is even more emotional than he is. Spock’s brother looked to me as though he could have been played by our good Garth Turner. I couldn’t shake the image for the whole awful movie. That was REALLY scary.

#85 Bill R on 07.31.08 at 2:29 pm

Harper is following (as usual) the American way.

The US now has more people behind bars per population than any other country in the world. Soon the US will be one big penal country

Steve wants to move there after he’s out of office.

#86 Johnny on 07.31.08 at 2:30 pm

This is interesting as the conservatives now say that the gun registry cost $1 billion dollars, not the $2 billion they campaigned on.

Another interesting point is that a Swiss Study suggests that the gun registry or boondoggle as the Conservatives like to call it has saves up to $1.4 billion dollars per year since 1995 in firearms related injuries.

That’s about $ 16 billion dollars saved in gun related injuries since 1995.

Not a bad return for a $1 billion dollar investment!

Read for yourself

http://www.parl.gc.ca/LEGISINFO/index.asp?Language=E&query=5323&Session=15&List=ls

#87 Men With Hats on 07.31.08 at 2:40 pm

I am just curious how this is different from the ads that the liberals ran in the last election claiming that the Conservatives were planning on deploying the military in cities, implying that they were planning on bringing us closer to martial law. Not saying that two wrongs make a right, I just find it interesting.

The difference is, that Lib ad never aired. It certainly was not send to every home by MPs, paid for by the taxpayers. Is this a serious question? — Garth

By Marcel Beaudoin on 07.31.08 11:00 am

Yes,a seriously dumb question .

#88 wallyj on 07.31.08 at 2:41 pm

A couple more points 1: Why is this discussion so much on ‘hoodies’. There is not a link to the actual mailer so I haven’t read it.Does it say that kids in ‘hoodies’ are all criminals,or something to that effect? I have been in more than a few bars where ‘hoodies’ can not be worn because they hinder identification. A lot of ‘troubled youths’ do wear them for that purpose.Point#2; These frequent mailers are annoying and most likely being abused by unscrupulous politicians.Why,it was just a few months ago that a liberal was under fire for borrowing mailing priveliges from other MP’s to promote some silly promotional tour for himself. I forget his name. It was something like Gurth Tarner,I believe.

#89 Bocanut on 07.31.08 at 2:42 pm

Liberal hypocracy is alive and thriving.

Smiling Liberal MPs walked out of a vote raising the age of sexual consent from 14 to 16 for strictly partisan reasons.
They encouraged their Liberal counterparts in the Senate to delay approval as long as possible for partisan reasons.
Now when it’s convienient they pretend to defend these same children.

#90 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 2:47 pm

It’s one thing to count on your vote, it’s quite another for consevtaives to count on us all being stupid!

Read what the conervatives say on this blog.

It is always about absolutes.

Everything to extreme.

Most things distorted.

Either overstated or understated.

Room temperature IQ’s and a consistent lack of comprehension.

#91 Deb Prothero on 07.31.08 at 2:52 pm

oh dear, I have to eat my words. The other day I printed my letter to the editor here because I didn’t think the local paper would print it. But they did:

http://tinyurl.com/5cvl8d

This was referring to the same flyer as Garth is above except mine has the picture of Joe Preston.

Doctor Mike; That was a chuckle! It made me think of you being carted off to prison while Big Joe stood watching in approval. :-) I believe you’ve unsettled him. Hopefully together we can unseat him.

Watch for another letter next week, I received a new 10% yesterday, all about how the Conservatives are going to protect consumers. NOT. Off to do some research.

#92 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 2:54 pm

Like others here, I too have received from Canada Post the local MPs 2 page cheap photocopy blurbs. They are not good sales material or in presentable format.
In Oshawa Riding there is some good reason to do a better job than this. There have been a series of incidents involving a juvenile drug dealer. Said perp was in the Oshawa Center Mall where he made a deal in the Food Court to go to the washroom and purchase a handgun. He was intent on returning to the Food Court to use it on a rival. Unknown to him, Durham Region’s finest were aware, and used the Center’s surveillance system to video tape the very quick “high risk take down” by drug squad plain clothes officers! Apparently this video has been replayed for appropriate MPs at a “meeting”? This same individual perp, out on bail again, was followed by drug squad officers in cars some time later onto a 401 on ramp in the Ajax area where when cornered, left his car, pointed a hand gun at these officers armed with automatic weapons! As he ran away he decided not to shoot and threw his weapon away! In both take downs the arresting officer, a former football player knocked this perp right out of his running shoes!
Now, explain to me why a juvenile REOFFENDER deserves to be afforded the protection of the Young Offenders Act when his repeated offenses are serious violations of the peace?
It is my contention that the Young Offenders Act while nobly meaning to prevent a first time offending teen from a criminal record is protecting and promoting the dedicated criminal gangsters.
We need a pragmatic approach to the problem. The Young Offenders Act should be a one time only “get out of jail free pass”, and expires immediately that a second serious criminal offense charge is laid!
The above details can be verified with Durham Region Police if you don’t believe me!

#93 Johnny on 07.31.08 at 3:01 pm

II. Prevention
Article 7
Record-keeping
Each State Party shall ensure the maintenance, for not less than ten years, of
information in relation to firearms and, where appropriate and feasible, their parts
and components and ammunition that is necessary to trace and identify those
firearms and, where appropriate and feasible, their parts and components and
ammunition which are illicitly manufactured or trafficked and to prevent and detect
such activities. Such information shall include:
(a) The appropriate markings required by article 8 of this Protocol;
(b) In cases involving international transactions in firearms, their parts and
components and ammunition, the issuance and expiration dates of the appropriate
licences or authorizations, the country of export, the country of import, the transit
countries, where appropriate, and the final recipient and the description and quantity of the articles.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/LEGISINFO/index.asp?Language=E&query=5323&Session=15&List=ls

So, if we need this article to support global police forces on this war on terror, illegal gun running, then why is the government giving two years of amnesty when Canada has to the file the information every two years to support law enforcement agencies here and in other countries?

So everyone goes on about illegal handguns, and how those people have to be dealt with.

Then there are the law abiding duck hunters. Are they law abiding if they have not registered their firearms, have had a problem with the law from the time amnesty was given to the time the must register, if in fact they ever do resister.

Show me some consistency!

I ask you, who really is soft on crime?

#94 PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 at 3:01 pm

‘Feelings’ trump reality for most people until the trouble hits them personally.

By wallyj on 07.31.08 2:14 pm

I lost a member of my family to a drinking driver … I was kept out of jail by my priest and my dad. In the case of my dad, he caught me cleaning my surplus weapon … and we then proceeded to ‘talk it out.’

If I had followed through on the intent, I’m sure it would have destroyed the remaining members of my family.

Father Cecil told me he understood exactly the well of bitterness I was drawing from. He presided over services for both my son and my father.

I haven’t met any other like him, except for the priest witnessing the vows between Martha and me. I don’t think he was too happy when I wouldn’t remove the toothpick for our wedding picture. Hell, if I could have had a medley from Duelling Fiddles, I’da been right back down home.

#95 Gayle on 07.31.08 at 3:03 pm

“A seventeen-year-old could kill you, and get nothing more than a relative slap-on-the-wrist. That is wrong.”
By Paully on 07.31.08 10:16 am

I wish some of you would take the time to educate yourselves before posting.

The YOUTH CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT, like the YOA (which ceased to be law in 2003), provides for adult sentences for any youth over the age of 14 who is convicted of a serious crime.

“Unfortunately the people on the front line who actually deal with the offenders are usually ignored because they may not have a degree in sociology.”

As one of those front line workers, I assure you I do not see things the way CG does. Where s/he sees incorrigible offenders, I see drug addiction, physical, emotional and sexual abuse victims, abandonment issues, physical and mental health issues, homelessness and poverty – all of which are not addressed properly through our social safety net. I also see correctional officers and police officers referring to these youth as “scum” and “worthless”. I know many a correctional officer who would back me up on this – but then they treat these youths with respect and dignity so they get that same respect back.

#96 Ron p on 07.31.08 at 3:03 pm

Faces?? Could that be because they now think all criminals wear hoodies and baggy pants?

That’s them ,get ‘em!

By Johnny on 07.31.08 1:59 pm

Johnny , we’ve heard this tune before and nothing was done to correct the problem.

“there’s something happening here. what it is ain’t exactly clear. there’s a man with a gun over there. telling me I got to beware. its time we stop, hey, what’s that sound? everybody look what’s going down.
paranoia strikes deep. into your heart it will creep. it happens when you’re always afraid. step out of line and the man comes to take you away. stop, hey, what’s that sound? everybody look what’s going down.”

#97 Men With Hats on 07.31.08 at 3:12 pm

Now when it’s convienient they pretend to defend these same children.

By Bocanut on 07.31.08 2:42 pm

And the Con-bots want to lock them away for years and years .
Define your point .

#98 PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 at 3:13 pm

That was REALLY scary.

By 300baud on 07.31.08 2:27 pm

For you, it seems pfhantasyland is not far away.

Try my alma mater at Penetanguishene to meet a kid on a tryke. Vincent Price used to hang there too … until he heard heartofnathaniel mention the pendulum.

#99 HARRY S on 07.31.08 at 3:19 pm

Just heard from CTV Robert Fife saying that the government has scheduled many Opposition Days for September … thus giving Dion the opportunity to table a non-confidence motion in the government.

Is Dion prepared to fish for an election or will he again cut bait and abstain???

September-October election, Garth …???!!!!!

#100 Vicguy on 07.31.08 at 3:21 pm

Corrections Grunt

Thanks for your thoughtfully written note above – very enlightening. I’ve had a couple of ‘corrections office’ friends over the years, who transferred away from the prison system due to many of the same things you bring to light.

Here in Victoria in 1999, serial bank robber Bill Reid, wearing a police uniform, walked into a Victoria bank where he pointed a loaded shotgun at employees and customers. He and his accomplice fled with $97,000. Reid used a .44 Magnum handgun to fire several shots at police, including shots at a pursuing officer on a motorcycle, and he fired at an innocent woman bystander, knocking a paint tray from her hand, in an attempt to create a diversion. It was a miracle that no one was killed or injured.

Today, Reid is out on parole, living in a half-way house. He’s just back from a 2 week vacation in the Queen Charlottes with his wife, where they are considering opening a B&B.

I dislike the Con’s and Mr. Harper immensely, but I can’t argue with any politician who wants to put more teeth into our pathetic criminal justice system.

#101 Johnny on 07.31.08 at 3:22 pm

Sorry folks, I pasted in the wrong link. The proper UN link is now shown below.

_______________________________________

II. Prevention
Article 7
Record-keeping
Each State Party shall ensure the maintenance, for not less than ten years, of
information in relation to firearms and, where appropriate and feasible, their parts
and components and ammunition that is necessary to trace and identify those
firearms and, where appropriate and feasible, their parts and components and
ammunition which are illicitly manufactured or trafficked and to prevent and detect
such activities. Such information shall include:
(a) The appropriate markings required by article 8 of this Protocol;
(b) In cases involving international transactions in firearms, their parts and
components and ammunition, the issuance and expiration dates of the appropriate
licences or authorizations, the country of export, the country of import, the transit
countries, where appropriate, and the final recipient and the description and quantity of the articles.
II. Prevention
Article 7
Record-keeping
Each State Party shall ensure the maintenance, for not less than ten years, of
information in relation to firearms and, where appropriate and feasible, their parts
and components and ammunition that is necessary to trace and identify those
firearms and, where appropriate and feasible, their parts and components and
ammunition which are illicitly manufactured or trafficked and to prevent and detect
such activities. Such information shall include:
(a) The appropriate markings required by article 8 of this Protocol;
(b) In cases involving international transactions in firearms, their parts and
components and ammunition, the issuance and expiration dates of the appropriate
licences or authorizations, the country of export, the country of import, the transit
countries, where appropriate, and the final recipient and the description and quantity of the articles.

http://untreaty.un.org/English/TreatyEvent2002/Texts/English/Firearms_11.pdf

So, if we need this article to support global police forces on this war on terror, illegal gun running, then why is the government giving two years of amnesty when Canada has to the file the information every two years to support law enforcement agencies here and in other countries?

So everyone goes on about illegal handguns, and how those people have to be dealt with.

Then there are the law abiding duck hunters. Are they law abiding if they have not registered their firearms, have had a problem with the law from the time amnesty was given to the time the must register, if in fact they ever do resister.

Show me some consistency!

I ask you, who really is soft on crime?

By Johnny on 07.31.08 3:01 pm

#102 smbm on 07.31.08 at 3:25 pm

I guess I’m a “young thug” then because in the fall, when the temperature starts to drop, I get my favourite hoodies out of their drawer and start to don them on a regular basis…oh, and if its really chilly or windy out I might even put up the hood to protect my poor ears from the bitter bite of the north east wind.

Does this mean I am now a target of the Conservatives new war on “young street thugs”?

Should university students everywhere across this great land be wary and purchase v-necks instead?

My uncle the 55 year old electrician is definitely screwed b/c hoodies are all he wears.

BTW – I’m a 32 year old professional, not a “young thug” who has proudly been wearing hoodies for the last 18 years.

Hoodie wearers unite against this blatant discrimination!!

#103 Vicguy on 07.31.08 at 3:27 pm

Good grief — sorry all. In my note above, it was not Bill Reid — but STEPHEN Reid, who robbed the bank and is out on parole.

#104 PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 at 3:29 pm

Smiling Liberal MPs walked out of a vote raising the age of sexual consent from 14 to 16 for strictly partisan reasons.

By BocaNUT on 07.31.08 2:42 pm

Who is going to monitor, apprehend and prosecute for conviction?

TorqueMada … or a Harper mullah-faqir?

#105 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 3:29 pm

It’s one thing to count on your vote, it’s quite another for consevtaives to count on us all being stupid!

Read what the conervatives say on this blog.

It is always about absolutes.

Everything to extreme.

Most things distorted.

Either overstated or understated.

Room temperature IQ’s and a consistent lack of comprehension.

By AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 2:47 pm

_______________________________________
There have been a series of incidents involving a juvenile drug dealer. Said perp was in the Oshawa Center Mall where he made a deal in the Food Court to go to the washroom and purchase a handgun.
________________________________________

Serious no doubt, but this is once again the extreme kinds of things people speak about and I have refernced above that.

Balance it all and tell me about all the great kids out there with summer jobs, helping on the family farm, being great citizens and assisting others.

#106 Tim on 07.31.08 at 3:33 pm

Unfortunately the people on the front line who actually deal with the offenders are usually ignored because they may not have a degree in sociolgy.

I see front line police and corrections workers like tech support people. Maintain total professionalism at all times, under constant monitoring, in a high stress environment. Of course, it’s ever soldier’s right to complain, but only internally. The people with the sociology degrees are the ones who work in your sales and PR departments, and they usually have worked their way up through the system and have seen the big picture. Bill Blair and Vern White come to mind.

#107 Molly on 07.31.08 at 3:48 pm

Let’s have a hoodie march amongst us grandparents!

Ah Garth, this sucks. Find the turncoat in your party and turf him out. Or is Taylor exagerating?
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/07/stephane-dion-suffers-strategic-communications-leak/

I’d say it’s a Conservative prank. — Garth

#108 Men With Hats on 07.31.08 at 3:48 pm

Here in Victoria in 1999, serial bank robber Bill Reid, wearing a police uniform, walked into a Victoria bank where he pointed a loaded shotgun at employees and customers. He and his accomplice fled with $97,000. Reid used a .44 Magnum handgun to fire several shots at police, including shots at a pursuing officer on a motorcycle, and he fired at an innocent woman bystander, knocking a paint tray from her hand, in an attempt to create a diversion. It was a miracle that no one was killed or injured.
His name is Stephen Reid and he authored the book “Jack Rabbit Parole”
Bill Reid is a Heida Gwai world renowned artist .

#109 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 3:53 pm

Should university students everywhere across this great land be wary and purchase v-necks instead?

By smbm on 07.31.08 3:25 pm

Ummmm university students! They are at risk. Hoody wearers with brains!

#110 Charles Oxley on 07.31.08 at 3:53 pm

A difference in cultures? . . .
****************************************
A Greek and an Irishman were sitting in a Starbucks cafe one day discussing who had the superior culture.

Over triple lattes the Greek guy says, ‘Well, we Greeks built the Parthenon,’ arching his eyebrows.

The Irishman replied, ‘Well, it was the Irish that discovered the Summer and Winter Solstices.’

The Greek retorts, ‘We Greeks gave birth to advanced mathematics.’

The Irishman, nodding in agreement, says, ‘Irish were the ones who built the first timepieces and calendars.’

And so on until the Greek comes up with what he thinks will end the discussion.

With a flourish of finality he says, ‘The Greeks were the ones who invented sex!’

The Irishman replies, ‘Indeed, that is true, but it was we Irish who introduced it to women.’
****************************************
Fear-mongering only alienates our teens more than they already are.

Sherm, 10:46 am

Fear-mongering is precisely what CRAP are doing to sheeple now. Start with teens, then move on and scare-monger some more.

So they have already begun their electioneering, albeit in a very quiet, insiduous way. They want to scare enough people shitless that they will end up with a majority, they are the ‘only party’ with solutions to everything.

Look at the US and UK — see how many ‘security’ cameras are all over the place, so the ‘higher ups’ can keep their unseen eyes on folk.

One cannot even go to a washroom without a certain degree of privacy anymore. Yet, who are the violent ones? Certainly not the majority of people, as they are too busy running their own lives.

There will always be a few bad apples in every barrel, but those bad apples didn’t MAKE the laws.

The politicians are the ones who MAKE laws, get them passed and are then imposed on us. After that, they use psychological innuendo to keep us all shaking in our boots.

IF we let them. There are always other options. I, for one, won’t compromise and I will not change my life because someone elsse tells me I should.

If I do, then I become another sheeple.

#111 PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 at 4:03 pm

September-October election, Garth …???!!!!!

By HARRY S on 07.31.08 3:19 pm

Indian Summer I Hope … Look for me at midnight. If you can’t see me, that’ll be your goddamned tough luck.

Bombs/bomblets for you an’ the rest.

#112 wallyj on 07.31.08 at 4:04 pm

People,this flyer does not say that everyone that wears a ‘hoodie’ is a criminal. GARTH says that.The picture shows gangsta types wearing their garb in an alley and does portray them as criminals. If you saw a picture of the Hell’s Angels on their bikes,would you be up in arms because the ‘neo-cons’are trying to say all motorcyclists are thugs,because Garth said so? This flyer is about youth crime. BTW,outside my place in downtown Calgary,right now,there are 4 crackers on the’block’,2 are wearing ‘hoodies’.It is 25C outside.Hmmm.

#113 Dr Mike from Rodney on 07.31.08 at 4:11 pm

Doctor Mike; That was a chuckle! It made me think of you being carted off to prison while Big Joe stood watching in approval. I believe you’ve unsettled him. Hopefully together we can unseat him.

BY DEB PROTHERO ON 07.31.08 2:52 PM

Deb

Good to hear from you!!

“Joe must go” is the rallying cry In Elgin & Middlesex.

I am ready.

Dr Mike.

#114 Men With Hats on 07.31.08 at 4:12 pm

“there’s something happening here. what it is ain’t exactly clear. there’s a man with a gun over there. telling me I got to beware. its time we stop, hey, what’s that sound? everybody look what’s going down.
paranoia strikes deep. into your heart it will creep. it happens when you’re always afraid. step out of line and the man comes to take you away. stop, hey, what’s that sound? everybody look what’s going down.”

By Ron p on 07.31.08 3:03 pm

Ron:
Crosby,Stilla and Nash were on Colbert last night . Did you catch it ?
Still beautiful harmonies .

#115 Liz on 07.31.08 at 4:12 pm

September-October election, Garth …???!!!!!

By HARRY S on 07.31.08 3:19 pm

Not a chance, Harry. Not until the In & Out Scheme has been heard and judged; not until the Cadman tape and apparent bribery case has been heard and judged.

Stephen Harper is DESPERATE for an election before these cases are heard, and before Canada’s economy has been driven into the ground by his short-sighted and idealogical moves.

I don’t care if Dion et al have to all go on vacation to avoid Harper’s desperate triggers, or sit on their hands until after Christmas or all the way to October 2009! Whatever needs to be done to hold Harper accountable and keep him in his place while justice is done, and is seen to be done.

#116 Ron p on 07.31.08 at 4:14 pm

Is Dion prepared to fish for an election or will he again cut bait and abstain???

September-October election, Garth …???!!!!!

By HARRY S on 07.31.08 3:19 pm

Is Harper prepared to get his head out of the sand by the end of the summer?

Economy………..head in the sand
Environment…….head in the sand
Accountability….head in the sand
his party………head in the sand

Your party has been spending too much time at the beach…..

#117 mel on 07.31.08 at 4:18 pm

Now that the Harper Conservatives have thrown down the gauntlet and issued a challenge, daring our fearless leader M. Dion to call an election, we must answer the call and respond with courage and decisive action with alacrity. It is no longer enough to say indecisively that the election will be sometime between now and November, 2009. That is not good enough anymore.

There is no time to be lost. We must bring on the election, and bring it on now! The longer we wait, the more we risk unfavourable publicity when the Chuck Cadman debacle finally comes to court.

Let’s have the election BEFORE the court case, and by calling the election NOW, our fearless leader will not only avoid the potential for bad press coming down the line later, but we will call the PM’s bluff, and Dion will show himself to be a man of decisive action when given a challenge. Let’s force an election NOW! We have something to gain and nothing to lose by going to the polls now. The more we wait, the more we have to lose, but the more we move decisively now, the more the PM’s tactics will surely backfire.

#118 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 4:19 pm

Harry S.

Where have you been? I smell feet!

This is for you Harry S.and you are all of these. Prioritize them for me 1 through 5

Start Now:

It’s one thing to count on your vote, it’s quite another for conservatives to count on us all being stupid!

Read what the conservatives say on this blog.

It is always about absolutes.

Everything to extreme.

Most things distorted.

Either overstated or understated.

Room temperature IQ’s and a consistent lack of comprehension.

By AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 2:47 pm

#119 Liz on 07.31.08 at 4:20 pm

Oh good grief! Now I’ve got Ed Fast flogging the CPC “Above the law?” propaganda in my riding. Compliments of Ed Fast MP. I think he’s from out in the bloody Valley, no-where near where I live!

I’m collecting them as the people throw them in the junk mail or recycling. I think I’ll send a compliment or two to Ed Fast…

#120 PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 at 4:20 pm

If you saw a picture of the Hell’s Angels on their bikes …

By wallyj on 07.31.08 4:04 pm

Whoa-Up, Son. Don’t mention that name. I’m still ‘pissed’ because Garth was offered a presidency with the Pair-A-Dice club … when I asked them would Garth’s endorsement be sufficient to get me an admission, they just laughed.

I coulda bin a contender!

#121 PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 at 4:25 pm

Not a chance, Harry. Not until the In & Out Scheme has been heard and judged; not until the Cadman tape and apparent bribery case has been heard and judged.

Stephen Harper is DESPERATE for an election before these cases are heard, and before Canada’s economy has been driven into the ground by his short-sighted and idealogical moves.

I don’t care if Dion et al have to all go on vacation to avoid Harper’s desperate triggers, or sit on their hands until after Christmas or all the way to October 2009! Whatever needs to be done to hold Harper accountable and keep him in his place while justice is done, and is seen to be done.

By Liz on 07.31.08 4:12 pm

RIGHT ON THE MONEY … BANGERS!

Harper and the Slime think Canadians are STOOPITT!

#122 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 4:27 pm

The policies that Harper is using are the policies of Bush and the US – and guess what folks, crimes in the US are increasing and increasing and increasing.

So, why have policies that have proven not to work?

Doesn’t make sense to me.

By slg on 07.31.08 1:27 pm
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, Sierra Lima Golf, those policies do work. They create more inmates for the new private industry jails being built to be filled up so that these entrepnuers can bill the government for warehousing of the criminally inept! That is just another form of corporate welfare bumism!

#123 AToryNoMore on 07.31.08 at 4:27 pm

By HARRY S on 07.31.08 3:19 pm

That was a poor expample for harper to use. Fish stocks are diminished everywhere. Let them eat cake?

Is there any fish to cut bait for?

Who was the one time conservative minister that said I don’t have the goddam fish!

#124 CAL on 07.31.08 at 4:30 pm

Whatever needs to be done to hold Harper accountable and keep him in his place while justice is done, and is seen to be done.

By Liz on 07.31.08 4:12 pm

I couldn’t agree more, Liz. Good post.

#125 Lana on 07.31.08 at 4:36 pm

Mom is no longer home when school lets out .Creating a generation of latch-key kids .
There are answers .

By Men With Hats on 07.31.08 1:57 pm

While I agree with most of your post(s), I take exception to the statement above, which is not only a generalization, but isn’t valid. There were lots of latch key kids when I was growing up in the ’50s–I was one of them. Things are not that different now. There may be more divorces and thus more single-parent families, but a disharmonious home where parents are fighting all the time isn’t the answer either.

Anyway, are youth really worse than they used to be? Here’s a quote, often attributed to Socrates…

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint” (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

#126 Marc on 07.31.08 at 4:39 pm

By wallyj on 07.31.08 4:04 pm

Have you ever seen any of those crackers with their head down looking over every square inch of the sidewalk for the potential of a dropped rock? It is sad really but humourus at the same time. The desperation that they must live with. It would be a good field trip for any school children when they are nearing the age where they might want to try such drugs. It keeps me sober for the most part when I see the people on the downtown eastside. Ever seen a persons face after 10 years on meth? What attractive young female would ever indulge in such a drug if they were to know what 10 years of addiction would do to their looks.

#127 Lana on 07.31.08 at 4:45 pm

I just received a Conservative flyer about product safety. I’m for banning dangerous chemicals from baby bottles, and cracking down on manufacturers and importers of dangerous products (how about those jalapeños?) so I don’t object to the message. I wondered about the line “new powers to pull unsafe products from store shelves”…who will decide?

Anyway, the flyer says “compliments of Chris Warkentin, MP”, who is the MP for Peace River…a bit of a distance from the Waterloo Region, wouldn’t you say?

Why isn’t it from my local MP? Oh, I know…my local MP is a Liberal.

The question asked, beside the choices of “check one” (with the arrow pointing to Mr. Harper) is “Who is on the right track on product safety?”

Sort of a motherhood and apple-pie issue. I wonder why we didn’t get the “criminals in hoodies” one?

#128 Zorpheous on 07.31.08 at 4:46 pm

Harper’s political M.O.

1) FEAR
2) GUILT
3) SHAME

What a lovely mix of toxic emotions.

So how are we going to pay for all these new prisons when we start throwing away people for life and have to house them? Harper is already running a deficit. If long term incarceration is the solution, why are homicide rates so 800% hire in the USA than here in Canada and even lower in European nations where they use vastly different of rehabilitating criminals?

Following the American Model is not the solution.

Harper and the CPC are desperate, now they have FEAR to sell Canadians. Time to get rid of Harper CPC.

Garth PLEASE, we need an election, we need it now, before Harper does any more damage to our Great Nation.

#129 Robert Gibbs on 07.31.08 at 4:55 pm

When will the CONS be placing themselves in jail for violating all sorts of laws themselves?

How about:

1) Elections Canada law, re: the old “In-Out, In-Out”?
2) Anti-bribery law, re: Chuck Cadman?
3) The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, re: Canadian Wheat Board?
4) Freedom of information law, re: everything?
5) Treason law, re: Income Trusts?

Seems only the CONS consider themselves above the law.

#130 wendy on 07.31.08 at 4:56 pm

I think Harper has left himself wide open on his latest 10%er flyer.AGE IS NO EXCUSE,NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.I just added his name,and wrote “CADMAN”and”IN AND OUT”and sent the whole works back!

#131 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 4:58 pm

You say youth crime is down, but if you actually did your homework, you’d know that very violent youth crime is up, the youth crime that people are most concerned with. What the Tories are saying is not politics of fear, it is politics of action; something the Liberals are totally lacking in regards to the issue of crime, youth or otherwise.

By Lycan Stark on 07.31.08 10:12 am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Statistical Analyses of events, whether unplanned (accidents), or by design (such as criminal acts) are often misunderstood.
The first thing to consider to clarify the numbers is to create separate categories:
-frequency = number of same type events
-severity = assign a degree of “damage”

both of these types of numbers can be plotted, meaned, averaged, ranged, etc.

I have not looked at what current numbers have been published, but the intestinal instinct says it is true that the frequency is lower, but the severity is in fact higher IN SOME LOCALIZED AREAS.
It also makes proper scientific sense to categorize crimes committed by ALL possible sources, ie. age, neighborhood,
ethnicity, employment, education, sex, religion, etc. To not consider any demographic is to miscalculate, and misunderstand the true nature of the numbers. If you saw medical scientists not categorizing the source of diseases correctly, you would howl your heads off, so why is it tolerated and promoted in the case of criminal activity? Makes no logical sense, only political opportunism!

#132 Markus D. on 07.31.08 at 5:00 pm

Here’s hoping the politics of hope prevails over the politics of fear in the coming election.

As a Liberal I have no qualms with hitching up with our neighbors to the south. I think a PM Dion and a President Obama would be awesome for our two countries, and the world – as global citizens. I bet they would quickly become friends on the world stage.

#133 Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 at 5:03 pm

The stores all have racks of jackets and tops with hoodies. Logically Harper will arrest all the store managers for influencing kids to be criminals.

#134 Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 at 5:14 pm

“his parents abdicated their responsibilities as parents”

BY HEARTOFNATHANIEL 10:37AM

Nat,

Your vacuum is on, turn it off, so you can hear yourself.

If you’re going to come to Garth’s blog to disrupt, at least try to make sense. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

The kid you portrayed was not brought up well by his parents.. as you stated.

So how to do blame young offender laws for that?

I can hear the sound of the vacuum you’re living in, it’s so loud.

#135 Ron p on 07.31.08 at 5:22 pm

Still beautiful harmonies .

By Men With Hats on 07.31.08 4:12 pm

No I missed the show last night but I have all of their recordings and sorry to say I missed their last appearance here in Cow town.

But I did see Buffalo Sprinfield sing about “a man with a gun over there”.

#136 Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 at 5:23 pm

by RON P 3:03PM

Mostly say, hooray for our side

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid

You step out of line
the man come
and take you away

We better stop, hey, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down

#137 Ron p on 07.31.08 at 5:27 pm

The stores all have racks of jackets and tops with hoodies. Logically Harper will arrest all the store managers for influencing kids to be criminals.

By Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 5:03 pm

And then Harper will start arresting anybody with a tatoo. Afterall, what kind of person would want one. Just biker types, right? LOL

#138 Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 at 5:30 pm

BY LANA 4:45PM

Lana,

Seems Harper figures hyping for babies was good election fodder while the Europeans don’t feel the evidence is strong enough to scare the shit out of people.

“Baby Bottle Baird: Canada’s Environment Minister Panders to Chemical Fears that Europe says are without foundation”

http://tinyurl.com/5dd8kv

#139 Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 at 5:40 pm

Dr. Mike,

Despite your hoodie… :)

I’m awestruck by people with the guts to recognize we’re in a whole new world.. jumping fence when you know you’re right.

#140 HARRY S on 07.31.08 at 5:45 pm

Garth … forum consensus amongst your sycophant trools is that the next election should be held October 19, 2009 … because they feel by that time all the problems they perceive with the Harper government will be resolved … and then Liberals can ride to victory after abstaining for another 12 months.

Are you prepared to follow this advice and belong to a political party that abstains for another 12 months, Garth??!!!

Speak up Garth … because if you don’t want to agree with the forum trools, you shouldn’t stay silent.

#141 Jim on 07.31.08 at 5:45 pm

Keep drinking that Kool Aid Garth, it is obviously working…you are more out of touch with Canadian reality with every post.

#142 slg on 07.31.08 at 5:51 pm

The family unit has changed inordinately in the past 2,decades .
Mom is no longer home when school lets out .Creating a generation of latch-key kids .
There are answers .

BS – my mother worked when I was a kid. I had responsibilites after school – like setting the table, tidying up, raking the grass, etc. If it wasn’t done – I didn’t get to go to the show or get an allowance and she stuck to it. Also, if I said I was staying at a girlfriend’s house overnight – she called the mother with some excuse or another to check. In other words, even though she worked, she knew where I was. And, neighbours helped each other out. Parents took turns keeping an eye on things and NONE of us in the neighbourhood got in trouble.

Today, it seems that it’s not only do you know where your children are, but also do you know where your parents are.

My parents also made sure they knew who are friends were.

I was also rewarded for extra effort – if I did more work around the house than expected very often I had a little bonus in my allowance. Taught me that hard work has its rewards.

I’m sorry but the root is the parents.

#143 Catherine on 07.31.08 at 5:54 pm

Ahh, Garth, don’t you know that if we don’t send Billions to China for Kyoto credits by 2012, the world will end.

Sheesh – first look into that mirror and ask yourself – you are the one who has been creating “fear” – fear of Stephen Harper; fear of home values deflation; fear of climate change; fear of …. just fill in blank.

Now, recent stats have confirmed that violent youth violence has increased. Heck just look to your neck of woods (Toronto). Tell me that youth crimes haven’t risen.

In fact, we have a group home for these thugs near us. We were told that these youths must be convicted at least 10 to 12 times before they are removed from their environment and moved to these group homes. Young offenders act and it’s usage by our judges is a joke! Every day people know it! The cops know it! It’s time you Liberals realized it. Or maybe we, the victims, should just suit those politicians and our judges who don’t treat this matter seriously.

#144 Windsurfer on 07.31.08 at 5:59 pm

YOU SAID: Oh good grief! Now I’ve got Ed Fast flogging the CPC “Above the law?” propaganda in my riding. Compliments of Ed Fast MP. I think he’s from out in the bloody Valley, no-where near where I live!

I’m collecting them as the people throw them in the junk mail or recycling. I think I’ll send a compliment or two to Ed Fast…

•••

SUGGESTION TO ALL:

Mail them in an envelope addressed to:
Peter Milliken
Speaker of the House
Parliament, Ottawa, K1A 0A6

..include a personal note to express your feelings about these flyers.

His office is responsible for the budget for the whole flyer program.

I’m afraid that CRAP has killed the golden goose. They could have just paid for this junk mail out of their party coffers.

#145 Simon on 07.31.08 at 6:00 pm

There’s nothing in the ad claiming simply wearing a hoodie makes one a criminal. Where did that claim appear from?

#146 Bill-Muskoka on 07.31.08 at 6:23 pm

When was the last time you adults actually had a conversation with a teenager?

Think about it!

#147 Dr Mike from Rodney on 07.31.08 at 6:27 pm

Dr. Mike,

Despite your hoodie…

I’m awestruck by people with the guts to recognize we’re in a whole new world.. jumping fence when you know you’re right.

BY BARB THE PROOF-READER :) ON 07.31.08 5:40 PM

Barb

Thanks.

It`s easier than it looks-when the cause is just & the alternative of doing nothing is unacceptable , then no fence is too high.

The fight is on & I am not here to lose.

Dr Mike.

#148 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 6:30 pm

So how are we going to pay for all these new prisons when we start throwing away people for life and have to house them?
By Zorpheous on 07.31.08 4:46 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The Neo Cons contract it out to private enterprise to build and run prisons on a fee per head count. Great new economy, eh!

#149 karl jesson on 07.31.08 at 6:39 pm

i think garth is onto something here!the conservatives are peddelling fear!maybe they have learned something from 911 in the u.s. that fear is a way to control the populace!!! sad

#150 Randy on 07.31.08 at 6:44 pm

September-October election, Garth …???!!!!!

By HARRY S on 07.31.08 3:19 pm
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I am with Liz & pyoter Harry. Not a chance Dion is going to be intimidated into giving Harry the little crybaby his way. To much crap coming his way yet. He, you and the rest of you CPC trolls can continue to rant and call Dion and the Liberals chickens and cowards all you want. It only makes me smile and shake my head at your pathetic rants.

Oh and by the way you all seem to completely forget that there are 2 other opposition parties that would have to go along with Dion and the Libs to bring down the Government. Somehow I think one or the other would support Harper if Dion did indeed call Harper’s bluff.

#151 Charles Oxley on 07.31.08 at 7:02 pm

. . . The federal government has been on a campaign to destroy the family structure. . . . got rope?, 12:18 pm

Correct Rope, but who were the perpetrators who instructed the head honchos, the people beyond the feds., rarely heard about in public to begin this destruction? It had to start with someone, somewhere.

Discover the real reasons for the breakdown in family structures, find those who set the wheels in motion and created the circumstances, then the problems are found.

Solving the problems is an entirely different matter, as just about everyone has answers.
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We need more guns in our possession… . . . gary v, 12:20 pm

Mebbe you ‘n’ ‘ol Bubba can head on down to Mississippi, then shoot some commies for target practice.

That’ll be good training to increase your IQ level to zero.
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It’s high time for the lucrative American industry of super-jails to move into Canada. So much money to be made . . . cms, 12:54 pm

That’s what it’s about, isn’t it? The US has close to the highest rate of the population already in slammers, and someone is clearly making money somewhere down the line.

If dubya, harpo and others can sell out more and more assets, outsource as many jobs as possible so as to make more and more money, improve their own and families’ lives at the expense of sheeple, then who cares?

I’ve never seen mad sheeple before, but there is always a first time.
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A brutal economic meltdown will sort a lot of this out … bring it. . . . CC, 1:57 pm

Good point CC — it will clean a lot of the shit out, which is why it seems almost necessary to go through hard times.

Hard times will teach people to live well within their own means, to respect one another.

I figure that after the Olympics in 2010 are over, then reality sets in almost immediately.

#152 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 7:25 pm

WOULD IT BE THAT TOO MANY MEN HAVE FAILED THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES TO PROVIDE A PROPER HOME ENVIRONMENT AND ROLE MODEL? How many adult males can not or will not face the reality that they fail to negotiate properly, and will not or cannot discuss/debate what the rules are and must be in both a household and marriage. Brutal beatings are not to be confused with proper discipline. What does a bully not like? It is another bully in his face! You can call me what you like as you already have done so, but that does not make it true. Furthermore, I’m calling you a one issue twisted off twit
By Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 2:26 pm
I have the stats to prove what I`ve been saying all you have is a hate for men so stick these in your pie hole because you`ll not abuse me like you do children.

http://tinyurl.com/64p8f2

3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women
Vancouver Sun, Gerry Bellett , Canwest News Service, Tuesday, May 27, 2008
Elizabeth Saewyc, associate professor of nursing at the University of British Columbia and principal investigator for the study conducted by Vancouver’s McCreary Centre Society.

“It’s a shocking number. The law is clear: any adult who has sex with children for any form of consideration is exploiting them and it’s illegal,” she said.
The study found 94 per cent of females reported they had been sexually exploited by men.
But the study found that young males were being preyed upon by sexual predators of both sexes, yet the social systems in place to deter and prevent sexual predation were only designed to help females and the criminal justice system wasn’t concerned with what was happening to young males.

http://www.ihpr.ubc.ca/media/McCreary2001.pdf

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=79708ae2-1dbf-4bdf-a9fe-83b65df121c1

Landmark sex exploitation study finds surprising number of female abusers
Gerry Bellett, Vancouver Sun
Published: Wednesday, May 28, 2008
The stereotypical model of the child being abused — a teenage girl being sexually abused by a man — is wrong
Women seeking young men and boys offer transportation or other things

programs to deal with sexual exploitation were designed by women for female victims.
“There’s really nothing out there for males
================

http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/fm/childafs.html#widespread

Canadian
Incidence Study
of Reported Child
Abuse and Neglect

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cissr-ecirc/pdf/cmic_e.pdf
page 20
40% of investigated families were
female-parent families (discussed in
chapter 7 of the CIS Final Report).

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/cm-vee/csca-ecve/pdf/childabuse_final_e.pdf
page 51
30% of physical abuse victims
were living in lone female-parent
families (see Table 7-1).
page 52
42% of cases of substantiated
neglect involved lone female-parent
families

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cisfr-ecirf/pdf/cis_e.pdf
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Female Perpetration Of Child Sexual Abuse: An Overview Of The Problem

http://www.canadiancrc.com/female_sexual_predators_awareness.htm

Sexual abuse by women of children and teens is a subject most parents and caregivers are not familiar with. Female sexual predators go unreported because of a lack of awareness by the public.
The best research available to us states that about 75% of sexual predators are male and 25% are female.

86% of the victims of female sexual predators aren’t believed so the crimes go unreported and don’t get prosecuted.
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http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/media111204.htm

Media makes light of sexual assault on 8-year-old boy
Some in the mainline media saw no need to report the story of the sexual abuse of such a young boy in the same way that they would have reported alleged sexual assaults by a 29-year-old man on an 8-year-old girl. The most egregious was the New York Post. The Post’s headline read, “CRADLE ROBBER – GAL WHO SEDUCED BOY, 8″. There is no doubt that the newspaper would not have described an alleged male who assaulted a young girl as a “cradle robber”; nor would they have used an equivalent of the word “gal” to describe him. And there is an equally unlikely chance that the act of getting the child to have sex with him would be referred to as “seduction”. The New York Post obviously thinks that a sexual assault committed by an attractive blonde woman in her 20s upon a very young boy is cute.

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Does sole custody lessen the risk of partner abuse that contributes to child abuse.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/050714/d050714a.htm

An estimated 7% of women and 6% of men in a current or previous spousal relationship encountered spousal violence during the five years up to and including 2004

“””***note***

The following occurred during the highest mother sole custody rate in history. The effect of sole custody did not influence the rate. You can draw the conclusion sole custody has no effect therefore of no value in preventing violence by either partner.

Mothers are more than twice as likely as fathers to kill their
children:

This shows that mothers alone are responsible for 27.5% of the deaths
of their children which is more then twice that of fathers (13.1%)
Mothers and others result in 11.5% of the childhood deaths while
fathers and others are responsible for only 1.5%

Mothers are more than twice as likely as fathers to abuse their
children:

For abuse only, 39.9 percent of child victims were maltreated by
their mothers acting alone; another 17.6 percent were maltreated by
their fathers acting alone; 17.8 percent were abused by both their
mother and father. Victims abused by a nonparental perpetrator
accounted for 10.0 percent. Mothers and other came in at 6.1% while
fathers and other were 1.0%

These statistics were last updated on April 3, 2008 by the
Administration for Children and Families a division of the United
States Department of Human Services.

I would also like to remind you that the most common reason fathers
do not become involved in their children is because mother does not
let them.

Only 11% of mothers value their husband’s input when it comes to
handling problems with their kids. Teachers & doctors rated 45%, and
close friends & relatives rated 16%

“40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the non-
custodial father’s visitation on at least one occasion, to punish the
ex-spouse.”

“The former spouse (mother) was the greatest obstacle to having more
frequent contact with the children.”

“A clear majority (70%) of fathers felt that they had too little time
with=their children.”

In a study: “Visitational Interference – A National Study” by Ms. J
Annette Vanini, M.S.W. and Edward Nichols, M.S.W., it was found that
77% of non-custodial fathers are NOT able to “visit” their children,
as ordered by the court, as a result of “visitation interference”
perpetuated by the custodial parent. In other words, non-compliance
with court ordered visitation is three times the problem of non-
compliance with court ordered child support and impacts the children
of divorce even more.
Information from multiple sources show that only 10% of all non
custodial fathers fit the “deadbeat dad” category:

90% of the fathers with joint custody paid the support due. Fathers
with visitation rights pay

79.1%; and 44.5% of those with NO visitation rights still financially
support their children. (Source: Census Bureau report. Series P-23,
No. 173).

Additionally, of those not paying support,

66% are not doing so because they lack the financial resources to pay
(Source: GAO report:GAO/HRD-92-39 FS).

The following is sourced from: Technical Analysis Paper No. 42, U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Income Security
Policy, Oct. 1991, Authors: Meyer and Garansky.

Custodial mothers who receive a support award: 79.6%

Custodial fathers who receive a support award: 29.9%

Non-custodial mothers who totally default on support: 46.9%

Non-custodial fathers who totally default on support: 26.9%

Only 11% of mothers value their husband’s input when it comes to
handling problems with their kids. Teachers & doctors rated 45%, and
close friends & relatives rated 16%

“40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the non-
custodial father’s visitation on at least one occasion, to punish the
ex-spouse.”

“The former spouse (mother) was the greatest obstacle to having more
frequent contact with the children.”

“A clear majority (70%) of fathers felt that they had too little time
with=their children.”

In a study: “Visitational Interference – A National Study” by Ms. J
Annette Vanini, M.S.W. and Edward Nichols, M.S.W., it was found that
77% of non-custodial fathers are NOT able to “visit” their children,
as ordered by the court, as a result of “visitation interference”
perpetuated by the custodial parent. In other words, non-compliance
with court ordered visitation is three times the problem of non-
compliance with court ordered child support and impacts the children
of divorce even more.

http://tinyurl.com/4uyguj

Title: Child abuse / Jean Leverich, book editor. Publisher: Detroit : Greenhaven Press, c2008.

5. Child Abuse Can Lead to Aggressive, Antisocial Behavior / James Garbarino

#153 Charles Oxley on 07.31.08 at 7:32 pm

In a prior post, I said that sheeple could hardly use a washroom in privacy anymore.

Now, this and it has Gestapo-like tactics written all over it. It’s the way the world is going, and I certainly don’t want to be part of the NWO.

http://tinyurl.com/6ggv6f
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A good account of how Arabs see what’s happening to the US, Obama included.

http://tinyurl.com/6focan
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Among other things — fires, ‘quakes — California has a fiscal crunch, so now workers get pay cuts to minimum wage.

Does that include Arnie and staff? Thought not.

http://tinyurl.com/5k8vpy

. . . no link, head + para. and comment.

“Credit Crunch Reaches Downward Spiral Critical Mass

“Bloomberg is reporting MGM, Dubai Fall Behind on $3.5 Billion Loan for Las Vegas Plan.

“MGM Mirage and Dubai World are late in raising as much as $3.5 billion for their $11.2 billion CityCenter project in Las Vegas because banks saddled with debt to casinos and hotels are wary of making new loans.”

Courtesy WRH.com.

“This is what brought on the great crash of 1929. Banks were refusing needed short term credit even to their very best customers, forcing them into liquidity logjams and bringing them down.”

#154 fausto legnano on 07.31.08 at 7:41 pm

When all is said and done, an election is called when the PM goes to the GG and says that he wants one, OR no longer has the confidence of parliment. So if the PM wants an election all he has to do is see Madame Jean and in the words of JL Picard “make it so”

#155 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 7:46 pm

The Neo Cons contract it out to private enterprise to build and run prisons on a fee per head count. Great new economy, eh!
By Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 6:30 pm

That would be a great add on to the bottom line of the justice industries revolving court house doors.
Perhaps combined it might even save our economy from collapsing along with the rest of the world.

#156 David M on 07.31.08 at 7:52 pm

Holy Cow!
4 CRAP-O-Grams in 1 week!
3 just today!
I got a ‘toxic baby bottle’ from Ken Epp.
A ‘teen thug’ from Blaine Calkins (haven’t heard that name before).
A ‘tax on everthing’ from Monte Solberg.
AND….Wait for it….
ANOTHER ‘tax on everything’ from thePM himself!
This is absurd. Doesn’t the CPC have strategists? Talk about pushing a voter away as hard as possible. More bad advice given and taken in the Conservative back rooms. Surely they must have someone in their war room with even one decent idea for reaching out to the public. Well, if they do, he/she was probably told to sit down and shut up.

#157 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 7:54 pm

Correct Rope, but who were the perpetrators who instructed the head honchos, the people beyond the feds., rarely heard about in public to begin this destruction? It had to start with someone, somewhere.

Charles Oxley on 07.31.08 7:02 pm

That`s already out there Charles. There is only one group that benefits from abusing children with sole custody, the justice industry.
Fathers lose, the stats show children lose, single mothers arn`t getting a good deal but who makes a ton of money from the revolving court house doors, yep it`s a the legal beagles.
Follow the money Charles, the hate pages were sponsored by the justice industry through money slipped out of the gun registry.
The answer, plain and simple of who is behind the destruction of the Cdn family is the Cdn Bar Ass. and it`s all about growth and profit.
How many times can I say this, Canada is going down the tubes for one reason and one reason only, corruption, from the top down it has infiltrated every government institution we have.

#158 Judy on 07.31.08 at 8:09 pm

I’m sure Dean has a sign in his car lot window: “long-haired freaky people need not apply”.
These Cons measure a persons worth by his appearance—are they insinuating that “clean cut well-mannered youth” do not commit horrible crimes?
Most of the kids in my small town wear the fashion of the day–which happens to be baggy pants and hoodies–regardless of the weather–some even wear wool toques all summer long.
These kids have day jobs, are usually well-mannered and the most trouble they get into is when they toss a candy wrapper on the sidewalk.
Sure there are one or two who vandalize property and show little respect–but one look at the parents and you know why. Everyone knows the trouble makers and so do the cops—in a small town no one remains silent.
The Conservatives are using profiling based on fashion to accuse teens of crime—
There are probably more 3- piece suit wearers getting away with crimes than young people wearing baggy pants.

#159 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 8:39 pm

“This is what brought on the great crash of 1929. Banks were refusing needed short term credit even to their very best customers, forcing them into liquidity logjams and bringing them down.”

By Charles Oxley on 07.31.08 7:32 pm

I thought it was the feds dropping the regulated price of gold causing a depreciation of gold back currency creating a collapse on purchasing (investing) power. After the liquidity crisis affecting business the next cascade was a collapse of consumer spending power until a large portion of the population had no money let alone a devalued dollar. It was the lack of cash by the people that set the bar for the severity of the crash.

Sound familiar?????????

#160 Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 at 8:53 pm

“If long term incarceration is the solution, why are homicide rates 800% higher in the USA than here, and even lower in European nations where they use vastly different ways of rehabilitating criminals?”

“So how are we going to pay for all these new prisons? Harper is already running a deficit.

by ZORPHEOUS 4:46PM

Zorph,

In the U.S. they have some private prison companies. I wouldn’t put anything past Harper. Who builds the prisons, who profits, who pushes for that type of solution?

Private companies operate 264 correctional facilities in the states.

#161 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 9:26 pm

I have the stats to prove what I`ve been saying all you have is a hate for men so stick these in your pie hole because you`ll not abuse me like you do children.
By got rope? on 07.31.08 7:25 pm
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Hey pervert, you called me a man hating man! If I ever meet you, it will be a case of abuse! Take your misappropriate statistics and stuff them in your own pie muncher. You ralle about the government and the courts, yet you have no credibility and no following. This is not the time nor the place for your diatribe.
I have fathered 2 children, now adults, and both have turned out very well thank you, but what I have learned along the way you will never understand and would not admit it if you could understand it.
Humans have free will and make the choice(s) to do the right or wrong things regardless of one, no, or two parents. Some of the worst teenage criminals are from two parent, well educated, affluent homes, also some of the most successful admirable teen/young adult success stories are from single parent and orphan circumstances. You are so miss guided and off base that even counciling would be a waste of money!
Why don’t you go to the library and look up all the statistics in the reference tome: The Criminal Personality by Drs. Yochelson and Bernstein. Once you get the depth and breadth of that research compendium mastered then come back here and spout off! I will wager that you will have a different tune! In the mean time just piss off into the middle distance!

#162 K Murphy on 07.31.08 at 9:29 pm

Oh my goodness, teenagers wearing hoodies! Run for the hills…what nonsense. In the ’50s people were told to fear rock and roll music and heaven forbid! at all costs, avoid those terrible hoodlums in chinos and white t-shirts with the sleeves rolled up to hold their package of smokes. Every generation has their ‘fall guy’ but the government shouldn’t try to terrorize the population by wild and ridiculous smears of yung people – shame on you again!

#163 Lana on 07.31.08 at 9:38 pm

“Baby Bottle Baird: Canada’s Environment Minister Panders to Chemical Fears that Europe says are without foundation”

http://tinyurl.com/5dd8kv

By Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 5:30 pm

Thanks, Barb! That was very enlightening. Why haven’t I read that in my local paper? Makes you wonder. I guess I should do more “googling” and research, but it is nice to know there are people on this blog willing to share their knowledge. I learn something new every day on Garth’s blog.

#164 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 9:47 pm

Most of the kids in my small town wear the fashion of the day–which happens to be baggy pants and hoodies–regardless of the weather–some even wear wool toques all summer long.

Judy on 07.31.08 8:09 pm

Vancouver has the highest property crime rate on the NA continent, 4 times higher than NYC.
Michelin among the highest number of parent denied child in Canada and Cdn history is up 38%.

Gotta love the Cdn political system

distract, dismiss and deny

#165 Irvine on 07.31.08 at 9:49 pm

I’m not so sure I buy into the crime stat stuff. I think alot of people simply don’t report crime anymore. What’s the point? Few years back, my car was broken into, ripped apart and the cops gave me a “number” for my insurance company. Like I’m gonna make that claim?

REPORTED crime might be down, but I don’t know about actual crime.

#166 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 9:53 pm

Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 9:26 pm

Congratulations for having the most bull shit in one post. So much in fact I couldn`t decide what para to copy forward.
As you are aware the feds completed a study on children that said the most important thing to a child of divorce is child support. There is not one study that puts child support at the top spot. The top spot ion not losing a parent.
Now show me one study that shows child support is the most import or shut your pie hole of lies and piss off.

#167 Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 at 9:58 pm

“They’re playing on fears and perception and not on facts.”

Harper lies, his lying flyers are a crime, his trolls lie and attack…

The crime rate could be even lower if Harper and his gang of thugs were dealt with for their crimes against society.

And Garth deserves better than the liars who do troll work for Harper, the drive-by attackers who invade Garth’s blog for no other purpose than to vandalize truth for Harper’s political gain.

And Randy, good one… the trolls here are “Harper moonies”!

#168 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 10:05 pm

REPORTED crime might be down, but I don’t know about actual crime.

By Irvine on 07.31.08 9:49 pm

Statistics are for the most part based on police estimates only for unreported crime. They range all to way down to only 1 in 7 is reported while the average is 1 in 5 reported. I can`t find much in the way of historic numbers but the current 80% unreported involves a large portion of the population. When the clown reporters shout out crime is down more people than vote roll their eyes back at reporters.

Recently the msm released a report they claimed showed crime was down when it fact it was the number of cases each officer deals with. Nothing to date on rectifying this false and politically advantageous headline.
Surrey had a great ones, lol they set up programs that turned offenders around at the door avoiding increasing the crime rate. lol It was a miraculous turnaround on the crime front. .lol, more like a miraculous piece of political illusion.

You have now posted 32 times today. Enough, already. — Garth

#169 Barb the proof-reader :) on 07.31.08 at 10:10 pm

Irv said “crime might be down, but I don’t know about actual crime”

BY IRVINE 9:49 PM

Irvine,

What kind of dolts are you fishing for? People like yourself who would fall for such lame drivel?

I know you think you can hook an uninformed Canadian out there, but no, Canadians are smarter than to believe your drive-by, pee-pees on facts. Garth’s blog isn’t here for your lame attempts to water down real statistics.

On July 22 Garth noted that your post was a meritless piece of ad hominem junk. I don’t see improvement.

#170 Lana on 07.31.08 at 10:17 pm

Humans have free will and make the choice(s) to do the right or wrong things regardless of one, no, or two parents. Some of the worst teenage criminals are from two parent, well educated, affluent homes, also some of the most successful admirable teen/young adult success stories are from single parent and orphan circumstances.
By Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 9:26 pm

You are absolutely right, Candid. Earlier you said there something to the effect that there should be research that looks at all the variables to try and ascertain determining factors that lead some people to crime.

Is it nurture or nature? And why do some people rise above their childhood situations and become successful adults, and others don’t?

I was a single parent for many years, without child support. Yes, the father had total access, but I raised them by myself (even when he was living with us). Sorry, Rope…they turned out to be normal adults, and wonderful mothers themselves.

Youth that commit crimes need intervention and rehabilitation…not put into a prison with hardened criminals. I’ve been involved in a literacy program in a federal prison, and it is no place for youth.

Anyway that’s my rant for the night. Nice talking to ya!

#171 Charles Oxley on 07.31.08 at 10:24 pm

By reading the first para., one sees that the US’s new “long-term strategy” will be to attack Iran (because Israel told them to), Russia counters to protect Iran and China backs Russia, because of all the oil and gas in that area.

The US and Israeli govts. are the only terrorists in the world; France, Canada, Germany, the UK and a few others are merely supporting players.

http://tinyurl.com/6bxs3a
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got rope?, 7:54 pm — Agreed. The sharks have a continual feeding frenzy until, as you say, economic situations force the necessary changes required.

Not pleasant, and it is deteriorating quickly.

. . . It was the lack of cash by the people that set the bar for the severity of the crash. Sound familiar?????????

got rope?, 8:39 pm — Indeed. Cash (and metals) still reign supreme!
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Canada is turning into America. I guess this what harpo has wanted all along.

http://tinyurl.com/59xkcc

#172 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 10:26 pm

Now show me one study that shows child support is the most import or shut your pie hole of lies and piss off.

By got rope? on 07.31.08 9:53 pm
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I did quote the pre-eminent Criminology Professors Yochelson and Bernstein, their ten year study: The Criminal Personality is the authoritative work that trumps all your BS. Read it, I dare you. Find the 56 pathological errors in thinking and the bottom line conclusion that all criminals personally make either a conscious or sub-conscious decision to cheat on the rules and laws of life. No court order, no counceling, no super good parenting, no religious teaching or praying or faith can stop that personal decision by those who want to cheat because they think they can get away with it to do otherwise. Some of them are self brainwashed into thinking what they do is excusable. Just like your babble does not make it true because you emotionally think it is true and fail to see the logical opposite is true. You are one hard headed mother licker, but I have seen worse when I supervised ex-convicts in the steel mills!
Just go to the mirror in the bathroom and take a long good look at yourself, deep into your own eyes and think about what you are and what you have done! It is none of our business here, and we don’t need to know, but you and only you can straighten out your own thinking. Do it now before it becomes too late and you get yourself past the point of no return!

#173 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 10:28 pm

You have now posted 32 times today. Enough, already. — Garth

Sry Garth, didn`t mean to be a bloghog. My only excuse is not being able to sit through all of the ridiculous bashing when this country has epidemic problems.
My apologies extend to the readers which I`m sure by now has had their fill.

Carry on Troops

#174 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 10:39 pm

A crime reported in the media is a statistic unless it was perpetrated against you, then it is a disaster!
You can’t undead some one, or unrape, nor unsteal their belongings. Life is not a reversible video tape! Any crime is too much, period. The conservatives and liberals in fact all politicians are being conned into thinking that prisons are corrective institutions. Bull. The only true correction is eviction to an Arctic Island permanently. Out of circulation and off the tax payers back!
Send the psychologists and scosiologists
up there with them if they want to try so bad. It is a one way trip just like the victims have been forced to take.

We are glad to have a perfect person on this blog, who never stole something from a store as a kid or pushed someone hard in anger or cheated on his income taxes or was forced to cut a corner to feed his kids. Did you bring your sandals and robe? — Garth

#175 Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 at 10:42 pm

My apologies extend to the readers which I`m sure by now has had their fill.

Carry on Troops

By got rope? on 07.31.08 10:28 p
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I don’t want your apology and I don’t accept it. You said what you said and you can’t take it back. Life is not a reversable video tape, jerk!

#176 Bonnie N BC on 07.31.08 at 10:58 pm

Garth – Holy catfish!

“We will not allow the government to be sabotaged” said the P.M. today in Quebec at his caucus meeting with adoring Conservatives.

Are you kidding me? You invented the “s” word in Parliamentary Committees and the House of Commons.

You absolute fool! You started this whole thing with your best smirk attacking Navdeep Bains and his family. You have done everything to railroad the entire House of Commons and disposed of parliamentary respect in QP.

Your inablity to comprehend the truth will be written in the history books – you don’t love Canada or Canadians you resent us all. You resent your followers because they are sheep – you resent the rest of Canadians becaue they know intuitively you are dangerous.

No debate just day after day, after day of attack soundbites in QP – this dictatorship has to end.

The reign of terror of THE worse government in modern history is about about to end.

See you on the campaign stump Steve. I trust you have updated you resume.

You don’t care about anyone but yourself – Sir, your are a man of one dimension.

See you in the fall election – your party will be pulling up daisys in the end.

Steve, the end is near!!

Interesting statement that the P.M. thinks that democracy is “sabotage”. That would be relevant if he tried to work with other parties to make this minority parliament work.

Does Mr. Harper think that his salient majority of the West east of the Rockies will do anything and agree with everything that he says?

#177 Gord G. on 07.31.08 at 11:09 pm

We are glad to have a perfect person on this blog, who never stole something from a store as a kid or pushed someone hard in anger or cheated on his income taxes or was forced to cut a corner to feed his kids. Did you bring your sandals and robe? — Garth

Garth, I can believe you stole as a child but cheating on your taxes, is that true? How about cutting corners for your kids? You had to do that too did you? Your a bad ass alright.

BTW; Did you do this?

Stephane Dion suffers strategic communications leak http://www.stephentaylor.ca/

Gord.

The pimples did it. — Garth

#178 Bill-Muskoka on 07.31.08 at 11:10 pm

Ah, such depth, such verasitude of thought!

Perhaps we should resort back to W.C. Fields’ philosophy?

Old W.C., when asked what he thought should be done with children replied ‘When they are born put them in a box with holes; Feed them through the holes: When they turn 13…plug the holes!’

See, no societal costs, no prisons, no counseling, no interruption of parents ‘hobby’ or ‘hobknobing’ time, just a simple solution!

Goodnight Gracie!

#179 Liz on 07.31.08 at 11:26 pm

By Deb Prothero on 07.31.08 2:52 pm

Excellent letter to the Editor, Deb! Nicely said. I (we) look forward to your next letter. On the subject of protecting the consumer can you please mention that Harper and his Crude intend to leave meat and food inspection up to the corporations instead of independent or government inspectors? This latest undercutting of Canadians’ safety in favour of under-the-table and sure-to-attract-bribery and coverup scheme will kill more children, elderly and immune system-deficient people than violent crime.
I look forward to a Harper party 10% explaining to Canadians that the hamburger company will be deciding what is fit for human consumption, and how that’s a good thing.

You’re an inspiration Ms. Prothero!

#180 got rope? on 07.31.08 at 11:39 pm

I don’t want your apology and I don’t accept it. You said what you said and you can’t take it back.
By Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 10:42 pm

Garth didn`t mention what I wrote, only how much, which was what I apologized for.

I do apologize for not making that clear enough and giving you some mistaken sense of whatever you imagined it was for.

#181 Candid Reflections on 08.01.08 at 12:02 am

We are glad to have a perfect person on this blog, who never stole something from a store as a kid or pushed someone hard in anger or cheated on his income taxes or was forced to cut a corner to feed his kids. Did you bring your sandals and robe? — Garth

By Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 10:39 pm
Garth, I only walk on frozen water, very well frozen, and I have many scars from doing the right thing at the wrong time!
I also have hemmeroids and thus have been told that I am not a perfect asshole, either! Vindictive, yes, inherited directly from Bloody Mary down the illegitimate branch! She didn’t send enough of or the right ones to the Tower! You may know some of my cousins to the West of you!

#182 Liz on 08.01.08 at 12:12 am

On the subject of letters I found this interesting website:

Dear Mr. Harper
http://trites.livejournal.com/

#183 Deb Prothero on 08.01.08 at 1:52 am

Thanks for the encouragement Liz. And Barb had the link I was looking for on baby bottles.

Wonder what the beef farmers think about the proposed cancellation of BSE testing. Seems to me they were pretty proud of their accomplishments on overcoming that disaster and wouldn’t be too anxious to return to the dark ages.

I don’t think I know a beef producer personally though. Does anyone here have a link to their ideas on this issue?

#184 Canuck on 08.01.08 at 3:10 am

So if the conservatives ban baby bottles because of BPA, has serious repercussions for dentistry: Not only do dental sealants leach BPA, but composites do as well. At the same time that politicians are pushing legislation to ban BPA, other politicians are pushing for a ban on dental amalgam because of mercury.

This means if everyone has their way, it will be illegal for dentists to fill teeth soon. There are no other filling materials. What is more, denture plastic contains BPA as well.

I guess I’m living on borrowed time because not only do I at the age of 66, wear hoodies, but I’ve also had to wear dentures for more than 20 years. Am I shaking in my boots? Nope!

#185 wjp on 08.01.08 at 7:14 am

Speak up Garth … because if you don’t want to agree with the forum trools, you shouldn’t stay silent.

By HARRY S on 07.31.08 5:45 pm

Let get something straight here Harry, because Garth or anyone else doesn’t comment on other’s posts does not mean they agree or disagree with that post!
So knock off these innuendos at the end of your posts, they are meaningless and quite frankly the main reason you are ignored..time to grow up Harry, make YOUR point and leave it at that!!!

#186 Barkley Pollock on 08.01.08 at 11:25 am

Believe it or not this actually the first time I’ve visited your blog. I really thought you mostly blogged about the environment.
Have you seen this:
http://www.noloitering.ca
I posted a suggestion for banning futuristic weaponry on Mark Holland’s facebook wall. Aside from being age discrimination, its called “mosqito teen repellent” I think that debate is silly on this issue, just ban these things. But to your blog this was allowed under their watch. What are the Liberals going to do?

#187 got rope? on 08.01.08 at 12:12 pm

No court order, no counceling, no super good parenting, no religious teaching or praying or faith can stop that personal decision by those who want to cheat because they think they can get away with it to do otherwise

Candid Reflections on 07.31.08 10:26 pm

Ritalin, parenting in a bottle.
So much easier than parenting.

Thursday, March 16, 2006

The annual number of children prescribed anti-psychotic drugs jumped
fivefold between 1995 and 2002, to an estimated 2.5 million, the
study said. That is an increase from 8.6 out of every 1,000 children
in the mid-1990s to nearly 40 out of 1,000.

#188 Chris on 08.01.08 at 2:49 pm

I wear baggy pants and hooded sweatshirts all the time, even to work where I like to show off my tattoos. I wear heavy metal t-shirts in public…I also have a degree in psych, own my own business and make $70Gs a year and I’m only 26…judge me Harper. I dare you.

#189 Bocanut on 08.01.08 at 5:01 pm

“Who is going to monitor, apprehend and prosecute for conviction?

TorqueMada … or a Harper mullah-faqir?

By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.31.08 3:29 pm”

I’m sure Canadian parents were relieved that the Conservatives ,NDP and Bloc joined forces to raise the age.
That the Liberals walked out on a vote to protect children from sexual predators smiling like they were out for summer holidays was one of the most disgusting scenes in parliamentary history.

#190 Simon on 08.01.08 at 6:06 pm

There was nothing in the ad stating all people who wear baggy pants, hoodies, etc are guilty of anything. The reference to the “hoodie people”, and how we should fear them, was created here.

#191 James T. on 08.01.08 at 10:23 pm

Conservatives are not about urban issues. They are not for the protection of children or youth. They are not for healthcare or education. Harper stands for the politics of pollution. Pollution of the environment, pollution of the economy, pollution of education, pollution of youth and young people. Hardly an inspiring bunch; unless you want to build a bunker underground a hide from the world.

#192 Men With Hats on 08.01.08 at 10:50 pm

By HARRY S on 07.31.08 5:45 pm

Let get something straight here Harry, because Garth or anyone else doesn’t comment on other’s posts does not mean they agree or disagree with that post!
So knock off these innuendos at the end of your posts, they are meaningless and quite frankly the main reason you are ignored..time to grow up Harry, make YOUR point and leave it at that!!!

By wjp on 08.01.08 7:14 am

Hairy thinks it is all about him .
He thinks Garth should respond to all his inane postings .

#193 Van on 08.02.08 at 3:32 pm

The difference is, that Lib ad never aired. It certainly was not send to every home by MPs, paid for by the taxpayers. Is this a serious question? — Garth

Bull crap, Garth.. The Liberal add aired on the internet and is still available for whole world to see.

It was not on TV. It was not sent to millions of homes. It was not paid for by taxpayers. No comparison. — Garth

#194 Men With Hats on 08.02.08 at 4:24 pm

Bull crap, Garth.. The Liberal add aired on the internet and is still available for whole world to see.

It was not on TV. It was not sent to millions of homes. It was not paid for by taxpayers. No comparison. — Garth

By Van on 08.02.08 3:32 pm

Provide link .

#195 William Terry on 08.02.08 at 6:22 pm

Politics of fear. Is that not what the Liberals and environmentalists are doing.?? A very REAL problem is young people getting away with murder. A Liberal society lets them do as they please….no fear because there is no punishment. The punks know it.

#196 Stan on 08.04.08 at 1:40 pm

” Conservatives are largely manufacturing a threat, so they can pose a solution. Despite the fact recent stats show a big drop in crime, we’re supposed to be hiding indoors for fear the hoodie people show up.”—-

Sorta like AGW, huh?
And as far as crime stats falling, does anyone even report minor crimes anymore?
They know nothing will happen or if anyone is caught the bleeding heart judges will turn them loose with an apology for bothering them.
If you look at the long term, say 40 or 50 years, crime stats are very high.
That’s called the truth, you may want to look it up.

#197 Dalila on 08.05.08 at 8:13 am

Hi Garth, I recently got a similar ten percenter in the mail – except that mine (sent to Winnipeg-Centre riding) was sponsored by James Lunney.
I have sent a bunch of letters of complaint because I feel that the “crime” message stereotyped my neighbourhood and it is a waste of our money, as you’ve previously mentioned. My reply from Elections Canada stated that they control advertising only if the content is offensive to another candidate and the act governing them was not regarding election spending. I’m now confused because from your posts on this topic, I interpreted that there was a specific amount of spending allowed. Can you clarify? Which Bill governs this matter? Thanks!

#198 L on 08.09.08 at 1:35 am

Geez I thought it was just my MP sending this crap with a ballot on it saying “who do you think”… its a waste of mail and I just toss it in the recycle.