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		<title>By: Russ Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Garth,

I am happy to see a Conservative standing up for what is right. Stephen Harper has betrayed Preston Manning&#039;s Vision for a reformed political system, Harper must go.

It is the height of hypocracy that Harper accepted the Liberal turncoat. It is ffffffing outrageous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Garth,</p>
<p>I am happy to see a Conservative standing up for what is right. Stephen Harper has betrayed Preston Manning&#8217;s Vision for a reformed political system, Harper must go.</p>
<p>It is the height of hypocracy that Harper accepted the Liberal turncoat. It is ffffffing outrageous!</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By KevinB on 02.09.06 2:18 pm said: &quot;I donâ€™t object to the idea of him putting himself in front of the electorate again, but why not give him some time to see if he can deliver on what heâ€™s attempting to do? If he were to say â€œIâ€™ll have a by-election in two years - you can toss me out then if you think Iâ€™m not doing a good jobâ€, Iâ€™d be satisfied. Would you?&quot;

Exactly why would anyone want to give him time to do what? He was clearly put into a Conservative cabinet to continue his Liberal work on the Security and Prosperity Agreement, the plan for Fortress America 2010, which Martin signed with Bush and Fox in March 2005. Maybe Garth can expand on what that means for those who don&#039;t know. 

If the people of Vancouver Kingsway wanted a Conservative rep they could have voted for one. They clearly wanted the Liberal agenda brought forward, they clearly accepted Mr.Emerson&#039;s speak of I&#039;ll be in the Conservatives face blah blah, but in their face and on their team has a totally different meaning!

Democracy is not being displayed in these actions. I have just read Mr.Harper&#039;s new code of ethics and it certainly is well written, too bad the meaning is lost on the Emerson deal and the Fortier appointment. Anyone who isn&#039;t interested in putting in the time to attend candidate debates, talk to the electorate and offer themselves for public examination before the vote shouldn&#039;t be fast tracked into a cabinet position. It is an insult to the whole process and to all those who made the effort to stand during the campaign. 

I would like to know what floor Mr.Emerson crossed since the House won&#039;t be sitting until April? I would also like to know what precedent is involved to allow this process. I hope Garth has some answers, as my letters to other Conservative mp&#039;s and Mr.Harper have so far gone unanswered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By KevinB on 02.09.06 2:18 pm said: &#8220;I donâ€™t object to the idea of him putting himself in front of the electorate again, but why not give him some time to see if he can deliver on what heâ€™s attempting to do? If he were to say â€œIâ€™ll have a by-election in two years &#8211; you can toss me out then if you think Iâ€™m not doing a good jobâ€, Iâ€™d be satisfied. Would you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly why would anyone want to give him time to do what? He was clearly put into a Conservative cabinet to continue his Liberal work on the Security and Prosperity Agreement, the plan for Fortress America 2010, which Martin signed with Bush and Fox in March 2005. Maybe Garth can expand on what that means for those who don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>If the people of Vancouver Kingsway wanted a Conservative rep they could have voted for one. They clearly wanted the Liberal agenda brought forward, they clearly accepted Mr.Emerson&#8217;s speak of I&#8217;ll be in the Conservatives face blah blah, but in their face and on their team has a totally different meaning!</p>
<p>Democracy is not being displayed in these actions. I have just read Mr.Harper&#8217;s new code of ethics and it certainly is well written, too bad the meaning is lost on the Emerson deal and the Fortier appointment. Anyone who isn&#8217;t interested in putting in the time to attend candidate debates, talk to the electorate and offer themselves for public examination before the vote shouldn&#8217;t be fast tracked into a cabinet position. It is an insult to the whole process and to all those who made the effort to stand during the campaign. </p>
<p>I would like to know what floor Mr.Emerson crossed since the House won&#8217;t be sitting until April? I would also like to know what precedent is involved to allow this process. I hope Garth has some answers, as my letters to other Conservative mp&#8217;s and Mr.Harper have so far gone unanswered.</p>
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		<title>By: CuriosityKilledTheCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>CuriosityKilledTheCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harper and the rights of voters â€“ Emersonâ€™s way out for the PM?

By now Harper must be wondering if the â€œsuperficial criticismâ€ he anticipated is stronger than he thought it would be.  

Given the â€œlegsâ€ this story has, Harper must be seeking for a way out this mess he and Emerson â€“ along with a few (now hiding in the bushes?) Tory advisors â€“ have created. His choices are rather limited.  

Should he tough it out and wait for it to blow over?  

Should he ask his newest and bestest buddy David E to resign and run again? 

Try something else (like: I thought he was Tory all the time; I am horrified to learn that he was a Liberal.  Somebody should have told me that!  Must I do everything around here?  No â€“ maybe that would not work).

But today Emerson gave Harper the opening he needs:

In the press:  â€œEmerson bridled at the comparison. â€œIf youâ€™re equating the Grewal situation with mine, I take great offence,â€ he told reporters.  But he said he would abide by the findings of any probe by the ethics commissionerâ€™s office.  â€œIf Iâ€™m found to be guilty of wrongdoing I will leave,â€ Emerson said.â€

Well said, David!  

Why not speak to the PM and suggest that:

â€¢	you would voluntarily have the facts â€“ all the facts and nothing but the facts â€“ laid before the Ethics Commissioner; 

â€¢	you would agree to an accelerated hearing by the Ethics Commissioner, with a result expected by no later than, say, March 31 (after all, the facts are few);

â€¢	you would not act as cabinet member until the finding; and

â€¢	if the Commissioner finds against you, you will resign and the PM will hold a by-election by, say, May 15.  

Of course, Emerson should run in that by-election.

What an honourable way out of the dilemma he has helped create.  

Good man, David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harper and the rights of voters â€“ Emersonâ€™s way out for the PM?</p>
<p>By now Harper must be wondering if the â€œsuperficial criticismâ€ he anticipated is stronger than he thought it would be.  </p>
<p>Given the â€œlegsâ€ this story has, Harper must be seeking for a way out this mess he and Emerson â€“ along with a few (now hiding in the bushes?) Tory advisors â€“ have created. His choices are rather limited.  </p>
<p>Should he tough it out and wait for it to blow over?  </p>
<p>Should he ask his newest and bestest buddy David E to resign and run again? </p>
<p>Try something else (like: I thought he was Tory all the time; I am horrified to learn that he was a Liberal.  Somebody should have told me that!  Must I do everything around here?  No â€“ maybe that would not work).</p>
<p>But today Emerson gave Harper the opening he needs:</p>
<p>In the press:  â€œEmerson bridled at the comparison. â€œIf youâ€™re equating the Grewal situation with mine, I take great offence,â€ he told reporters.  But he said he would abide by the findings of any probe by the ethics commissionerâ€™s office.  â€œIf Iâ€™m found to be guilty of wrongdoing I will leave,â€ Emerson said.â€</p>
<p>Well said, David!  </p>
<p>Why not speak to the PM and suggest that:</p>
<p>â€¢	you would voluntarily have the facts â€“ all the facts and nothing but the facts â€“ laid before the Ethics Commissioner; </p>
<p>â€¢	you would agree to an accelerated hearing by the Ethics Commissioner, with a result expected by no later than, say, March 31 (after all, the facts are few);</p>
<p>â€¢	you would not act as cabinet member until the finding; and</p>
<p>â€¢	if the Commissioner finds against you, you will resign and the PM will hold a by-election by, say, May 15.  </p>
<p>Of course, Emerson should run in that by-election.</p>
<p>What an honourable way out of the dilemma he has helped create.  </p>
<p>Good man, David.</p>
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