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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2007/02/08/right-choice/comment-page-5/#comment-56673</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not doubting that the Conservatives are trying to recruit women candidates.  Are they doing so with the intent to exclude men as Stephane Dion has said he would??  If so, do you have evidence to support this claim??  That&#039;s all I&#039;m asking Mr. Turner.  Now, hypothetically speaking, if Mr. Dion does intend to exclude men, thereby discriminating on the basis of gender, will you speak out against it??

Thankyou.

&lt;em&gt;When I get some answers, I&#039;ll comment. -- Garth&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not doubting that the Conservatives are trying to recruit women candidates.  Are they doing so with the intent to exclude men as Stephane Dion has said he would??  If so, do you have evidence to support this claim??  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m asking Mr. Turner.  Now, hypothetically speaking, if Mr. Dion does intend to exclude men, thereby discriminating on the basis of gender, will you speak out against it??</p>
<p>Thankyou.</p>
<p><em>When I get some answers, I&#8217;ll comment. &#8212; Garth</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou for the response Mr. Turner.  However, I question the comment about the Conservatives.  I agree boosting the number of women MP&#039;s is a good thing, and support any moves as such.  My concerns have been and still are the methods by which this is accomplished.  If you ahve evidence that the Federal Conservatives plan to do this by excluding men, then by all means please share it.  I would be happy to read anything you may have on this.  My original question still stands though.  Do you as the MP for Halton plan to speak up against such discrimination to Stephane Dion??  If so, will you make this as public as some of your other complaints??  Sorry about the long message.  I will endeavour to just post links in the future.  I look forward to your response.

&lt;em&gt;I will take no position on this until I see something other than a media report. This could be just as accurate as last week&#039;s report saying the Tories were deep-sixing income-splitting, only to have the finance minister say it was not so a few days later. Experience teaches caution. Meanwhile I assert with certainty that the Conservatives are desperately recruting women to be candidates, for precisely the same reasons. -- Garth&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou for the response Mr. Turner.  However, I question the comment about the Conservatives.  I agree boosting the number of women MP&#8217;s is a good thing, and support any moves as such.  My concerns have been and still are the methods by which this is accomplished.  If you ahve evidence that the Federal Conservatives plan to do this by excluding men, then by all means please share it.  I would be happy to read anything you may have on this.  My original question still stands though.  Do you as the MP for Halton plan to speak up against such discrimination to Stephane Dion??  If so, will you make this as public as some of your other complaints??  Sorry about the long message.  I will endeavour to just post links in the future.  I look forward to your response.</p>
<p><em>I will take no position on this until I see something other than a media report. This could be just as accurate as last week&#8217;s report saying the Tories were deep-sixing income-splitting, only to have the finance minister say it was not so a few days later. Experience teaches caution. Meanwhile I assert with certainty that the Conservatives are desperately recruting women to be candidates, for precisely the same reasons. &#8212; Garth</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Turner......now that you&#039;re a Liberal, I&#039;m curious as to how you feel about the comments made by Mr. Dion on how he&#039;d push for more women MP&#039;s up to and excluding men from being able to run.  Isn&#039;t that discrimination based on gender??  Below is the article.  In addition, it was also made public on AM640 radio.  I wonder if you&#039;ll do the right thing and be outspokenly vocal on this issue, or will you let it slide as you don&#039;t want to upset your new boss.

I an sincerely interested in your response on this.

Joan Bryden, Canadian Press

Published: Thursday, February 08, 2007
 
OTTAWA (CP) â€” Liberal Leader Stephane Dion is prepared to take â€œextraordinary measuresâ€ to boost the ranks of women candidates in the next election, including barring men from seeking nominations in some ridings.
During last yearâ€™s leadership race, Dion promised that under his watch at least a third of the partyâ€™s candidates in the next election would be women.

But campaign organizers have concluded that the ambitious goal will be impossible to reach without some intervention to secure nominations for female candidates.

So-called green-light committees, set up to run the partyâ€™s nomination process in each province, have been empowered to ensure the 33 per cent target is met. Among other things, the committees can set dates for nomination meetings and approve or reject nomination papers from those seeking to carry the Liberal colours.

Where necessary, the committees will be able to simply refuse to allow men to run for nominations in some ridings.

â€œWeâ€™re trying to find the techniques that are consistent with our democratic processes to the greatest extent possible,â€ said Gerard Kennedy, Dionâ€™s special adviser on election readiness.

Local riding associations are being encouraged as much as possible to find women to seek nominations. But, with an election possible as early as next month, Kennedy said the party simply doesnâ€™t have the luxury of a lengthy recruitment drive.

Consequently, he said the party will have to use more drastic measures to ensure a sufficient number of women wind up on the Liberal election roster.

â€œWeâ€™re still studying and discussing some of the techniques that we might use, such as women-only contests or what have you. But I think those measures will be somewhat exceptional,â€ he said.

The leader retains the power to simply appoint women candidates, bypassing the nomination process altogether, but insiders say Dion wants to use that power sparingly, if at all. Appointments have in the past set off controversy, particularly from would-be candidates who frequently had spent months preparing to fight a contested nomination.

Dionâ€™s campaign strategists contend that declaring certain ridings off-limits to men at the outset will ultimately be fairer to all concerned. Still, they acknowledge that the measure is bound to be controversial.

â€œWeâ€™re going to pay some price,â€ Kennedy said.

â€œWeâ€™d like it to be a relatively small price . . . but the price weâ€™re paying is because we didnâ€™t quite make as much success as we should have (recruiting women in the past) and everyone has come to the realization that we have to take extraordinary measures, that the Liberal party has to become a political organization that reflects the face of Canada.â€

In last winterâ€™s election, only 26 per cent of Liberal candidates were women, although women make up slightly more than half the Canadian population.

The challenge of reaching 33 per cent next time is all the greater because Dion has promised to protect all incumbent MPs from nomination challenges. Currently, only 21 of the Liberalsâ€™ 101 MPs are women.

Dion needs to come up with at least 80 women to run in ridings currently not held by the Liberals to arrive at 33 per cent overall. In other words, almost 40 per cent of the candidates in unheld ridings must be women.

Equal Voice, an advocacy group dedicated to increasing the participation of women in politics, applauded the move to reserve some ridings for women only.

â€œRight now it looks as if 80 per cent of the ridings are reserved for men,â€ said Rosemary Speirs, founder of Equal Voice.

â€œSo I donâ€™t see that this is imposing a quota or tokenism or anything else. I think itâ€™s just an effort to make sure the party reaches out to women and gets some in there.â€

Speirs added that leaving ridings to their own devices to recruit candidates â€œdoesnâ€™t seem to work for women.â€

Canada has dismal record of female participation in federal politics. Only 20.8 per cent of 308 MPs are women, putting Canada in 46th place in the world â€” right behind Singapore.

Kennedy said any outcry over perceived favouritism toward women should be limited by the fact that all leadership contenders, including himself, echoed Dion in promising to substantially increase the number of women candidates, with the eventual aim of reaching 50 per cent.

Nevertheless, even men who support the goal of boosting the ranks of women arenâ€™t likely to be thrilled if their own hopes of becoming a candidate wind up being dashed as a result.

â€œIâ€™m sure everybody wants it to happen in all other ridings but not their own,â€ joked Richard Mahoney, a two-time Liberal candidate in Ottawa Centre who is still considering whether to make a third try at becoming an MP.

The riding, currently held by the NDP, has two probable, high-profile women candidates â€” Isabel Metcalfe and Penny Collenette. Scott Bradley is already campaigning and Mahoney may yet join the fray.

Some Liberals contend Ottawa Centre is the exactly the kind of riding where men should be barred from seeking the nomination, although Kennedy suggested there may be no need to intervene.

â€œIn ridings where women are well established and donâ€™t suffer any disadvantages and so on, thereâ€™s  no reason why we canâ€™t let a competitive outcome get us the result we need.â€

Mahoney said staging women-only nomination contests is probably the best way to resolve the under-representation of women. But he admitted it would â€œtoughâ€ to be told he canâ€™t run.

Similarly, Bradley acknowledged heâ€™d be â€œdisappointed.â€ While he too supports the goal of 33 per cent female candidates, the 37-year-old said that has to be balanced against other worthy goals like renewing the party and bringing in new blood.

However, Kennedy said the partyâ€™s dismal record in recruiting women in the past â€œjustifies disappointing some and requiring accommodations from others and generally doing a hurry up in trying to make us fully open and fully fair for qualified women who want to contest.â€

&lt;em&gt;You might be interested in knowing that the Conservatives are doing just the same, with intensive, female-only candidate searches. Both parties are trying to reduce the 80%-male composition of the House of Commons and make it more representative of the population. That is a noble goal, and I support it, although I am concerned about reverse discimination. Next time just post a link, okay?-- Garth&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Turner&#8230;&#8230;now that you&#8217;re a Liberal, I&#8217;m curious as to how you feel about the comments made by Mr. Dion on how he&#8217;d push for more women MP&#8217;s up to and excluding men from being able to run.  Isn&#8217;t that discrimination based on gender??  Below is the article.  In addition, it was also made public on AM640 radio.  I wonder if you&#8217;ll do the right thing and be outspokenly vocal on this issue, or will you let it slide as you don&#8217;t want to upset your new boss.</p>
<p>I an sincerely interested in your response on this.</p>
<p>Joan Bryden, Canadian Press</p>
<p>Published: Thursday, February 08, 2007</p>
<p>OTTAWA (CP) â€” Liberal Leader Stephane Dion is prepared to take â€œextraordinary measuresâ€ to boost the ranks of women candidates in the next election, including barring men from seeking nominations in some ridings.<br />
During last yearâ€™s leadership race, Dion promised that under his watch at least a third of the partyâ€™s candidates in the next election would be women.</p>
<p>But campaign organizers have concluded that the ambitious goal will be impossible to reach without some intervention to secure nominations for female candidates.</p>
<p>So-called green-light committees, set up to run the partyâ€™s nomination process in each province, have been empowered to ensure the 33 per cent target is met. Among other things, the committees can set dates for nomination meetings and approve or reject nomination papers from those seeking to carry the Liberal colours.</p>
<p>Where necessary, the committees will be able to simply refuse to allow men to run for nominations in some ridings.</p>
<p>â€œWeâ€™re trying to find the techniques that are consistent with our democratic processes to the greatest extent possible,â€ said Gerard Kennedy, Dionâ€™s special adviser on election readiness.</p>
<p>Local riding associations are being encouraged as much as possible to find women to seek nominations. But, with an election possible as early as next month, Kennedy said the party simply doesnâ€™t have the luxury of a lengthy recruitment drive.</p>
<p>Consequently, he said the party will have to use more drastic measures to ensure a sufficient number of women wind up on the Liberal election roster.</p>
<p>â€œWeâ€™re still studying and discussing some of the techniques that we might use, such as women-only contests or what have you. But I think those measures will be somewhat exceptional,â€ he said.</p>
<p>The leader retains the power to simply appoint women candidates, bypassing the nomination process altogether, but insiders say Dion wants to use that power sparingly, if at all. Appointments have in the past set off controversy, particularly from would-be candidates who frequently had spent months preparing to fight a contested nomination.</p>
<p>Dionâ€™s campaign strategists contend that declaring certain ridings off-limits to men at the outset will ultimately be fairer to all concerned. Still, they acknowledge that the measure is bound to be controversial.</p>
<p>â€œWeâ€™re going to pay some price,â€ Kennedy said.</p>
<p>â€œWeâ€™d like it to be a relatively small price . . . but the price weâ€™re paying is because we didnâ€™t quite make as much success as we should have (recruiting women in the past) and everyone has come to the realization that we have to take extraordinary measures, that the Liberal party has to become a political organization that reflects the face of Canada.â€</p>
<p>In last winterâ€™s election, only 26 per cent of Liberal candidates were women, although women make up slightly more than half the Canadian population.</p>
<p>The challenge of reaching 33 per cent next time is all the greater because Dion has promised to protect all incumbent MPs from nomination challenges. Currently, only 21 of the Liberalsâ€™ 101 MPs are women.</p>
<p>Dion needs to come up with at least 80 women to run in ridings currently not held by the Liberals to arrive at 33 per cent overall. In other words, almost 40 per cent of the candidates in unheld ridings must be women.</p>
<p>Equal Voice, an advocacy group dedicated to increasing the participation of women in politics, applauded the move to reserve some ridings for women only.</p>
<p>â€œRight now it looks as if 80 per cent of the ridings are reserved for men,â€ said Rosemary Speirs, founder of Equal Voice.</p>
<p>â€œSo I donâ€™t see that this is imposing a quota or tokenism or anything else. I think itâ€™s just an effort to make sure the party reaches out to women and gets some in there.â€</p>
<p>Speirs added that leaving ridings to their own devices to recruit candidates â€œdoesnâ€™t seem to work for women.â€</p>
<p>Canada has dismal record of female participation in federal politics. Only 20.8 per cent of 308 MPs are women, putting Canada in 46th place in the world â€” right behind Singapore.</p>
<p>Kennedy said any outcry over perceived favouritism toward women should be limited by the fact that all leadership contenders, including himself, echoed Dion in promising to substantially increase the number of women candidates, with the eventual aim of reaching 50 per cent.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, even men who support the goal of boosting the ranks of women arenâ€™t likely to be thrilled if their own hopes of becoming a candidate wind up being dashed as a result.</p>
<p>â€œIâ€™m sure everybody wants it to happen in all other ridings but not their own,â€ joked Richard Mahoney, a two-time Liberal candidate in Ottawa Centre who is still considering whether to make a third try at becoming an MP.</p>
<p>The riding, currently held by the NDP, has two probable, high-profile women candidates â€” Isabel Metcalfe and Penny Collenette. Scott Bradley is already campaigning and Mahoney may yet join the fray.</p>
<p>Some Liberals contend Ottawa Centre is the exactly the kind of riding where men should be barred from seeking the nomination, although Kennedy suggested there may be no need to intervene.</p>
<p>â€œIn ridings where women are well established and donâ€™t suffer any disadvantages and so on, thereâ€™s  no reason why we canâ€™t let a competitive outcome get us the result we need.â€</p>
<p>Mahoney said staging women-only nomination contests is probably the best way to resolve the under-representation of women. But he admitted it would â€œtoughâ€ to be told he canâ€™t run.</p>
<p>Similarly, Bradley acknowledged heâ€™d be â€œdisappointed.â€ While he too supports the goal of 33 per cent female candidates, the 37-year-old said that has to be balanced against other worthy goals like renewing the party and bringing in new blood.</p>
<p>However, Kennedy said the partyâ€™s dismal record in recruiting women in the past â€œjustifies disappointing some and requiring accommodations from others and generally doing a hurry up in trying to make us fully open and fully fair for qualified women who want to contest.â€</p>
<p><em>You might be interested in knowing that the Conservatives are doing just the same, with intensive, female-only candidate searches. Both parties are trying to reduce the 80%-male composition of the House of Commons and make it more representative of the population. That is a noble goal, and I support it, although I am concerned about reverse discimination. Next time just post a link, okay?&#8211; Garth</em></p>
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