Ottawa’s surprise income tax trust slammed investors and the market, and paved the way for a rash of foreign takeovers of Canadian firms, which continues this week.
Many thanks to the scores of people who sent me comments and statements to read in the House of Commons Tuesday morning. You overwhelmed me with a barrage of emails, plus the words posted here. No way I can get through the pile in the ten minutes alloted to me, but I hope to give other MPs a sense of the mess PMSH and his broken trust have made of many lives.
My speech is scheduled for 10 am, and I hope to get on for a question during QP as well. But, alas, I do not control that, and competition is keen. Nonetheless, whatever happens, I am very committed to a path that will lead to justice for the hundreds of thousands of people who together lost tens of billions of dollars. We all know the House of Commons is theatre. No matter what question I ask Flaherty, prickish Peter van Loan will jump up and tell me to resign. No news there.
But what does matter more is the coming election. Those who feel betrayed by this prime minister – the guy who told one of the costliest lies in Canadian history – have a number of very effective things they can do to influence the outcome of the vote. I am working now on a tool to help you accomplish this. It should be available by the end of the week. Stay tuned.
And speaking of tuning in, MPtv is under assault once again.
This afternoon, at a closed-door meeting of the secretive Board of Internal Economy, which runs Parliament Hill, the Tories argued for a new restriction which would ban MPtv from the foyer of the House of Commons. While no conclusion was reached, evil Con whip Jay Hill jumped the gun and told Commons security cops to boot me – which they tried to do thirty minutes later.
It didn’t work. But you can be sure that before this week is out, the prime minister’s paw print will be all over our little webcasting operation. Let me count the ways this man has shown his interest in me… booted from caucus… stripped of nomination… banned from running again… anywhere in Canada… kicked out of Parliament Hill office… now thrown out of the foyer. I’d say he’s obsessed!
To view the video, click here.
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So MPtv is in the House of Commons Foyer. Does this mean you don’t mind other people in the foyer like the Tory staffers that were recently booted from the same area by the Press Gallery?
I am a member of Parliament. I work there. — Garth
Bruce who operates MPtv Camera isn’t a member of parliament.
I think the issue has more to do with crowding the media area with anyone who doesn’t have a media pass. That is what was reported by the reporter at the Gazzete and Richard Brennan (sp?) who heads the Press Gallery.
Actually not true. The Cons are trying to get me to ban the camera, but would allow audio recording – same number of bodies, same ‘crowding.’ Yeah, and Stephan Dion is not a leader. — Garth
“Yeah, and Stephan Dion is not a leader. — Garth”
Finally – you are speaking the truth! Kudos to you for recognizing it!
I guess they never taught you ‘sarcasm’ there on the rock, eh? — Garth
Garth, its not just your webcasting that Harper and his cronies Oda and Bernier want to shut down, but all non-commercial web-casting.
They’ve sold us down the river, ignoring the crtc, the indu committee and the thousands of people up in arms about their contempt for Net Neutrality.
This is a three pronged attack — limit access of bloggers to collect the news by kicking them away from the source and giving the access to their buddies [read CanWest]; two, deregulate the ISPs such that they can pay to make sure MPtv cant be viewed by internet visitors – Can you afford to pay streaming video preference fees, I doubt it. and three, they intend to screw with copyright to a perverse extreme that would prevent the type of authorized use that most of your clip videos use. You know, like sampling clips from news stations for political purposes.
Here’s a newsflash, the Obama ad… you know the 1984 apple computers mock/remake… ya, that’d be illegal in Canada, and pretty soon you’d be a criminal, not just liable, for creating it.
Add to that the CRTC is probably going to put some nice broadcast standards on your little MPtv station, and well, good luck contributing to the TV fund.
Think you’re alone? Join every other blogger, podcaster and citizen journalist on the Canadian Internet and then go tell your heritage/industry critics to stop the Oda/Bernier assault on new media.
Garth, What is the difference between MP TV and Stephen Taylor, both are for the use of personal blogs. Do you feel he should also be allowed to conduct interviews in the foyer.
The difference? Gee. Because Stephen Taylor is not a member of Parliament? Just guessing here… — Garth
What does Stephan Dion not being a leader have to do with this conversation?
You say you want this site to be open for debate, I just brought up a couple points I wanted to challenge you on but your Dion response has no focus.
Please explain…
Didn’t teach you sarcasm, either, I guess. The point is the Cons are conning you. — Garth
Your sarcasm aside. Do you think that Mr. Taylor should also be allowed to conduct interviews utilizing as I believe you do personally funded equipment and staff, that is not sanctioned and or authorized by any party, I stand to be corrected if the PPG or the Speaker has given you authorization to conduct interviews utilizing MP TV. I think this is a fair question.
Not fair at all. I am an MP. When Taylor gets elected, or joins a news organization, then he can join us. Until then, he is a Conservative blogger. — Garth
Seems to me that this is the house of Commons…that’s our house…the house of the people. And if our elected representatives won’t work on our behalf then I fully endorse Garth to do so. What happened to open and accountable government? Harper is trying to run a dictatorship and I won’t stand for it…bring on the election.
Gotta say I am 100% with Garth on this one. He is an MP and has staffers that work for him as an MP. If he employs others to do jobs, then they have every right to be there, HE as every right to be there, and harper the horrible shouldn’t have a bloody thing to say about it.
Just what exactly is it hurting to have MPTV there? Do 1 or 2 more people REALLY make all the difference? I’m gonna say….NO.
I find it hard to believe, from con or otherwise that people would be opposed to MPTV in the house. It is an amazing way for people to have an inside, none news slanted (although Garth slanted
) look into the HoC.
I for one would prefer him to stay there with MPTV for a long long time to come.
It is one thing for an elected official like an MP to operate in such a fashion, but not for the operatives of a political party and/or MP. Why is that distinction so hard for some people to grasp? I have no problems with any MP doing what Garth Turner is doing if they so wish to use it as a means of communicating with their constituency, both their physical one in the riding and those on the issues most important to said MP. That seems to me to be a rather healthy thing, and is also not the same as any other political blogging IMHO. When Stephen Taylor or I are doing political blogging we are commenting on what we are seeing as much as private voting citizens as anything else, whereas Garth Turner is actually one of those we voters elect informing us of his actions, his party’s actions and the issues he is most involved with. Not to mention the fact that we are watching those legislating/representing us while Garth Turner is telling us the other side of the equation as one of those doing the legislating/representing. Again, not hard to understand the difference.
Harper made a very major mistake when he threw you out “with no involvement whatsoever” as he and his minions were chanting that day (something which later accounts clearly proved to be nonsense, when your chief of staff is present throughout the process either you are involved or you are a puppet/incompetent figurehead, neither of which is desirable in a party leader let alone a sitting PM. Not to mention that “officially” you were expelled for leaking caucus info on this blog, yet not one specific example was ever provided to prove that in fact you had committed this sin. While you did discuss in much greater detail what was already in the public domain from the CPC’s own sources than the PM liked that is not the same thing.
When you discussed what were clearly reasonable projections of probability on what the government had already done you were also clear that it was just that, your extrapolation/speculation and not confirmed inside info. So you were bounced out for clearly bogus reasons and from where I sat it looked like it was both your maverick views within the CPC combined with your tendency to bring light to that which Harper would prefer remained in the dark even though it is info the voters have a right to be ware of to make informed decisions that got you bounced. He clearly finds you a clear and present threat/danger to his ability to hold power let alone gain more by way of increased minority to majority level government as this latest action only underscores. For someone that the CPC voices here are so dismissive of as inconsequential and irrelevant and totally discredited you really seem to provoke a lot of CPC fear/threat response right from the top on down.
I have also been very impressed with you on the IT file. While not affected by it personally the clear damage it did to those that suffered the losses was bad enough but the way it is going to cripple an important *domestic* capital financing tool is even worse to me. I have been appalled on this since Halloween, and the way the Harper government passes off that 18 pages full of blacked out info as the “proof” of the tax leakage which “necessitated” this action only intensified that to outright complete and utter disgust, disdain, contempt, and actually managed to increase my already intense burning desire to remove Harper from power as soon as possible because of the danger he represents to the long term health of this country IMHO.
So keep up the good fight there Garth Turner, there are many of us out here in the land outside the political circus that watch and care about the future of this country and you speak far more for us than what we see from this government. I am just someone that cares for this country and how we are governed, and I respect competence and integrity above all else. This is a government that has demonstrated both incompetence and recklessness in an area where such has dangerous long term ramifications/consequences, economic/financial management. As for as integrity in concerned, well the IT example may be one of the most egregious but it is far Far FAR from the only one alas in such a short period of 14 months. My opposition to Harper extended well back to the late 80s when he was involved in crafting Reform policy and strategy, and my primary concerns have always been more rooted in political damage this man can do. However, with the budgets, the IT decision and subsequent cover-up of the lack of reasonable basis for it Harper has shown himself to be at least as dangerous to the long term economic health of this nation as much as the political health and welfare. Which for me is a truly frightening concept indeed given the potential of destruction he presents just in the political realm.
Obsessed is too mild a world for PPSH pathological hatred of you Garth .
This man needs an entire team of psychiatrists to help him get over his megalomaniacal, deep seated ,fixated,bewitchment .
I think he needs a long,long holiday .
Perhaps the proletariat will be so kind as to indulge him .
Garth, What is the difference between MP TV and Stephen Taylor, both are for the use of personal blogs. Do you feel he should also be allowed to conduct interviews in the foyer.
Any more dumb questions KH ?
Not fair at all. I am an MP. When Taylor gets elected, or joins a news organization, then he can join us. Until then, he is a Conservative blogger. — Garth
By KH on 04.16.07 11:02 pm
KH being deliberatly obtuse to get a reaction .
shows how scared they are of this powerful tool. god forbid it could ever expose “critical” material.
I think every MP should not only be allowed but forced to do that as they are supposed to report back to who they represent.
Dear Mr Garth TurnerMP,
As a voter I hope I will soon get a chance to vote out PMSH and his thought police!
I want a government that is run by a real leader.
One who understand the real urgency about global warming, peck oil, and feeding everyone with good food and clean water(Fluoride free), including PMSH kids.
I want to continue to live in a free and prosperous Canada!
Not a fascist state, or US colony.
Or a Corporate run world, with socialpathes calling all the shots for maximizing there profit at all costs, with no thought for anyone elses in this world or there future.
Please let the opposition members know I
would like to have another change to vote!
Greg W, Oakville
Garth, it sounds like you are all for the voice of the common man…as long as that voice is you. I really see no difference between MPTV and Taylor relative to wanting to be part of the media gang. Yes you are an MP, but a) we didn’t send you to Ottawa to be a reporter, that’s a duty you took on yourself, and b) the MPTV staff that are required to tape the interviews are not MPs. So are you saying that if Taylor or the Tory staffers can say they are working on behalf of an elected MP that you would have no problem with them being there? I’m thinking you would probably still be able to find a problem with it…just a guess.
Well Garth you can see again they don’t want people to know Wat they are doing Hi dding they just wants to control every body a buns of dictators bullies I hope you fight those assholes We have to get rid off them the sooner the better
Thanks for the update on how things work in parliament. All this time I was under the misconception that the place was run by the Speaker, and it turns out it is really the PMO. No wonder some people will do anything to get their hands on that much power!
Seriously, I believe that muzzling MPtv is a breach of your Parliamentary Priviledge; the fact that the lobby would be a zoo if all 300-odd members were doing the same thing at once is beside the point.
By MerleP on 04.17.07 5:52 am
Merle, there is no way Garth will answer that question within the context of what you asked.
MPtv is there for the sole purpose of embarrassing the government. Not ‘reporting’, just simple plain harassment. His bias is no secret, and if anyone tells his ‘camera’ & paid camera (non-elected) man something good and positive about Mr. Harper, you can bet your buns it will be on the editing room floor. He only asks people questions who he knows for a fact will slam the government. Yeah, I can see why members would complain. L
You have no idea how stupid you sound. — Garth
Let me count the ways this man has shown his interest in me… booted from caucus… stripped of nomination… banned from running again… anywhere in Canada… kicked out of Parliament Hill office… now thrown out of the foyer. – Garth
I get more respect for the Prime Minister every day.
I was going to ignore Leasa too, but I couldn’t resist a response to her comment “if anyone tells his ‘camera’ & paid camera (non-elected) man something good and positive about Mr. Harper, you can bet your buns it will be on the editing room floor.”
What has Harper done that is good and positive? Everything I hear and read about him scares me. I hope we get to vote him out of office, and the sooner the better. Almost everyone I talk to says the same thing, even die-hard conservatives in my family. You are backing a loser, lady.
Let me count the ways this man has shown his interest in me… …… I’d say he’s obsessed! – Garth
I didn’t know there was a position of “(Un)Official Thorn in the Side of the PM.”
Congratuations Garth you’re the first incumbent…keep up the good work!
BTW..Mr. Van Loan jumps up and tels you to resign….don’t get angry…just say “This is typical of this government, a government that thinks it is not accountable to the people of Canada for broken promises, a Government that won’t answer the concerns of Canadians and thinks it can continue as business as unsual. Now answer the question!”
Why are Income Trusts deemed illegal in many other countries? Australia, the United States and most European countries consider them to be a money laundering Ponzi*** schemes.
So, the international fraudsters could still play this game in Canada and still can for four more years.***
By Lorraine on 04.16.07 7:06 pm
BEWARE THE LIES, HALFTRUTHS, & GROSS HORSE[POOP]INGS of the “new” government, Mr. Turner!
Trailing are the harsh but precise sentiments of Diane Francis, Financial Post, in her column of January 24 2007.
“The stupidity of this trust tax is why the issue hasn’t and won’t go away. It’s why Opposition parties have correctly forced a hearing for next month at the finance committee in the House of Commons.
Personally, I am offended by the actions and attitude of rookie Finance Minister Jim Flaherty.
He was twice a rookie for: (a) not crafting an income-trust reform that would respect his Prime Minister’s promise to leave existing income trusts alone; and (b) for not doing his homework in an area that he obviously doesn’t understand – - thus the fact that he has parroted a number of obvious inaccuracies.
On the first gaffe, Mr. Flaherty should have known there were dozens of alternatives that would have stopped the proliferation of income trusts and, at the same time, surgically reformed existing ones without damaging investors. This is what the Americans and Australians did when they embarked on reforms.”
As for Champagne Layton and Wasylycia-Leis, Mistress of the Winnipeg North Coven, you can tell them to prepare themselves for exit in the upcoming election. Both have failed to acknowledge that the goal of seniors who invested in income trusts was to improve their low margins from fixed-income investments. If that be a mortal sin, I BE GUILTY!
***For Lorraine, I have set up a REAL PONZI [chainletter with resoundingingly positive participation] with the best of intentions. One Thousand people will show up at her home address to deposit the very best organic fertilizer on her various ‘scurvy’ lawns. This is in keeping with your earlier specific warning dealing with the fact that “Flim-Flam Flaherty’s trump argument has proven to be a steaming heap of digested vegetable matter.” For this very serious endeavour, I have declared one Fat Wahlly as team leader. I say, right back at them!
You have no idea how stupid you sound. — Garth
Not only sounds!
JCHL, Whats your problem, they are legit questions, I still agree with MP TV, my question was, what is the difference between MP TV and Taylor, MP TV is not funded by or sanctioned by the LPC or authorized by the Speaker. It is for the use by Garth as his role as a blogger. So basically as MERLEP asks if some CPC MP endorsed Taylor, then yourself and Garth would have no problem with him doing interviews and would defend his right to do so with the PPG. For freak sakes Jackie, try and insert a little fairness into your observations. Garth is a big boy and has proven he is more then capable of expressing his thoughts and opinions himself and I am sure he doesn’t need you to jump on people in his defense because you do not like the question.
His bias is no secret, – Leasa.
Of the MPTV clips I’ve watched, when Garth has made a preview of up coming events, he’s been spot on with how PMSH et al would repsond in the HoC.
That’s not bias and I don’t believe Garth has a crystal ball. He can do this because the PM et al are so predictable in their contempt for all thinks not from the PMO and Harper playbook.
For freak sakes Jackie, try and insert a little fairness into your observations.
Isn’t this the old pot and kettle!
I get more respect for the Prime Minister every day.
Birds of a feather!
It must give you some small measure of satisfaction that you get under their skin so much and conversely some measure of worry that they seem to hate freedom of the media so much.
“His bias is no secret”
By Leasa on 04.17.07 7:33 am
I never realized it ’til now, Leasa, but you suffer from TWO MAJOR personal failings:
1. You think censoring democracy, and even the promotion of book-burning, are part of the ‘intelligent design’ coming from the PMO on high.
2. Your personal hygiene leaves a lot to be desired. You have dandruff on your shoes. My, what a paradox you are!
In the words of Judge Roy Bean, “She had many faults, but I loved her still.” He was speaking reverently of his remote but all-consuming love, Lilly Langtree.
Now for the love of Manitouwadge, BE STILL.
The bloggers are amateurs with thoughts. They, in most part, are not professional journalists and not politicians. Most are quite smart, yes, but there has to be a limit.
My question – I know Harper is a vindictive man and he’s spending all kinds of taxpayer dollars to play “payback” or whatever, but my question is “what is Harper afraid of?”
MPtv is there for the sole purpose of embarrassing the government. Leasa
Believe me they need no help embarassing themselves. Van Loan, Baird, Oda, Solberg, Kenney, Toews, O’Connor a car full or Con Clowns. And yes Garth I think Leasa does realize how stupid she sounds.
Lana, maybe you should read more than Garth’s blog. I do, have a more balanced view, and so far am fairly happy with what I see of the CPC. By and large Garth’s bloggers reply with rudeness to any divergence of Garth’s views. Re Steven Taylor’s being ousted, I believe he had a valid pass to be where he was.
“I guess they never taught you ’sarcasm’ there on the rock, eh? — Garth”
Please explain that one Garth? Out there on the rock? What do you mean?
“I’d say he’s obsessed!”
Gee Garth – someone’s obsessed that’s for sure, just look in the mirror!!
More: Ms. Diane Francis January 24 2007
“But Mr. Flaherty did not do his research. He could not have because he said publicly that the Americans and Australians had shut down all their trusts except for real-estate ones.
That’s totally wrong.
The U.S. energy/infrastructure trust sector is now equivalent in size to 20% of the entire Toronto Stock Exchange, or more than US$480-billion. Whoops.
Then there’s the tax leakage myth.
Department of Finance officials convinced, and gave Mr. Flaherty, the false information that registered retirement savings plans (RRSPs) and pension payments were tax-exempt.
Too bad they aren’t.
So the question that begs an answer is, why didn’t this Finance Minister know this was untrue? Is it because he is not an investor and won’t rely on his RRSP like 70% of Canadians must?
Instead, he and his spouse are professional politicians with defined-benefit pension plans.
Another piece of “work†cited by government officials that tax leakage was an issue was done by Toronto academic Jack Mintz, who has been going around ever since distancing himself to paying customers on Bay Street from this research.
So there you have it: an academic allegedly unwilling to publicly come out defending or recanting as well as civil servants and a minister who apparently don’t even understand how RRSPs or the tax system operates.
It’s little wonder we have this mess—which comes to my last, and possibly most important, point for the House of Commons committee members to consider and pursue.
About the only excuse I can think of to account for this $30-billion mistake is that securities laws prevented Flaherty from talking with knowledgeable industry sources ahead of time.”
This is just an observation and off topic here.
I watched QP yesterday and during the “Statement by Members” – the Liberals paid their respects to the holocaust victims and to the Virginia Tech victims, the BLOC paid their respects to the holocaust victims, the NDP paid their respects to June Callwood – the Conservatives paid no respects to anyone and participated in their usual partisan trash and bash.
I know Harper is full of hatred and extremely partisan, but this was about a low as you can go. I don’t know what political stripe June Callwood was and I wouldn’t be surprised if she was an NDP supporter, but the fact remains that you cannot deny the good she did. It’s about respect a person for who they were and what they did – Harper is just plane shameful.
He refuses to acknowledge the anniversary of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms – but he can’t ignore the fact this it was an “historical” event that changed Canada and has been used as a model by other countries. Harper’s gang of not so intelligent folks keep bringing up Diefenbaker’s Charter of Rights BUT Diefenbaker’s (a good idea) didn’t take measures to make it part of the Constitution and left it to be no better than a statute. Chretien even acknowledged this in an interview.
This speaks volumes to me about the man.
Extremes are dangerous and extreme partisanship is dangerous.
Deb, maybe you shouldn’t assume I, or anyone else who has a different viewpoint than yours, don’t read more than Garth’s blog. You know what they say about the word “assume”. I would like to know what you don’t read, but perhaps should..to obtain a balanced viewpoint.
I do not like the rudeness in this blog, but I witness as much rudeness from CPC bloggers as I do from “Garth” bloggers.
Deb: you are happy with the cpc so far? Then you are happy with lies, deceits, sell-outs, back room deals, appointments of friends and cronies, smears and flip-flops.
Garth,
I would be looking in the Rules Book for a way to bring PMSH and his Goon Squad DOWN!
Nothing like the Law to stop Unlawfullness, especially by a PM.
What is going to be next with Harper…Arm Bands? Maybe a new flag?
We have seen that all before…Never again!
You give Flaherty far too much credit. As much as I despise this man do you think for one moment that this was his idea? From what I can gather no one in the Party is allowed to have thoughts and opinions. Therefore we have only Harpo to thank for this debacle. The man was only following orders and you can’t expect that he would question the orders he was given. Had he done so he would have found himself sitting in the back benches at best.
Garth, What is the difference between MP TV and Stephen Taylor, both are for the use of personal blogs. Do you feel he should also be allowed to conduct interviews in the foyer.
Any more dumb questions KH ?
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 2:05 am
Not fair at all. I am an MP. When Taylor gets elected, or joins a news organization, then he can join us. Until then, he is a Conservative blogger. — Garth
By KH on 04.16.07 11:02 pm
KH being deliberatly obtuse to get a reaction .
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 2:07 am
Well Garth, when are you going to back it up with some action here???
He refuses to acknowledge the anniversary of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms – SLG.
I wonder why?
Its like a person leaving a will that says the kids can get the money only if certain conditions are met.
Unfortunately for PMSH, he sees the Charter as an obsticle to implementing some of his more radical right wing views since any he would propose (and probably pass in a majority) would be challenged and be found to be in contavention of the Charter.
I think he thinks that if he ignores it it might go away. Sorry Steve, the Charter is what Canada is all about, not you right wing, deep south radical views.
A suggested MPtv defence line –
Garth is an elected MP. He informs his constituents of events and developments on the Hill, and seeks their informed guidance in the performance of his representative duties.
The means he uses to communicate with them include this blog and MPtv webcasts, not just the Gutenberg technology of periodic mass mailings. Moreover, such mailings are – and all written correspondence with a sitting member’s office is – postage-free. This proves that communication between an MP and constituents – in fact, all residents of Canada – is desired and supported by Parliament.
Because of the importance and efficacy of the new means of direct communication, Garth uses a member of his office staff to shoot, prepare and post segments of MPtv, as he would for any other means of communicating with constituents and other residents of Canada who contact him.
The question is whether MPtv, operated by an MP using office staff, is to be given access to areas of Parliament normally used for public business, such as the Foyer of the House, to inform constituents of the business of Parliament. Without prejudice to general reporting by the official media, Garth wishes to inform constituents directly and at the latters’ convenience, not affected by media filtering or limited by the timing of newscasts or newspaper editions.
To deny MPtv access to public areas in the activity of informing constituents is to restrict Garth in the performance of his elected duties, and constitutes a breach of the privileges of a Member of Parliament.
There are thousands of bloggers out there – can you imagine the chaos if they were allowed to be there?
PJW on
That okay you like HARPER Hope fully he will be gone soon And he never stayed long in a job that is his past and the past is the future that is normal fact off live You future is hiding in your past is a dictator and will stay that way and liar
James, what does the US have to do with this? You don’t believe that there are good Christians in this country?
Which radical, right-wing views are you referring? Please be very specific?
You do know that there are many people in this country who consider the charter to be a cause, not a solution to our problems don’t you? Why not recognize that there are people on both sides in Canada instead of trying to marginalize them?
“What is going to be next with Harper…Arm Bands? Maybe a new flag”
Bill – that comment is beneath you. Perhaps you could explain what you are meaning by it?
Judy, unfortunately you are describing what we saw during the Liberal years of power. If you are honest, you would have to acknowledge how corrupt they were, one scandle followed another, and nobody took it in hand to clear things up. Now, there are some inquests, investigations, etc. I’m hoping somehow Canada can recoup some of what was lost in these dirty dealings. And, please, may the CPC never sink so low. So far, they haven’t.
DEB on
You must be kidding conser they sink so low with lying Wat about day boy Stop kidding your self Get reality
What has Harper done that is good and positive? Everything I hear and read about him scares me. I hope we get to vote him out of office, and the sooner the better. Almost everyone I talk to says the same thing, even die-hard conservatives in my family. You are backing a loser, lady.
By Lana on 04.17.07 7:57 am
I agree with you totaly Lana. Good post. I don’t believe Leasa is a woman. (She, he) is more likely an yellow bellied MP in Harpers caucus: Maybe even the King Pin himself.
From the Parl. Press Gallery – Elizabeth Thompson on Stephen Taylor’s blog “As for Garth Turner, his access to the Hill is determined by his status as an MP – not as a blogger. Even then, he has already been told he can’t take his camera into a lot of areas of the parliamentary precinct.”
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/stephentaylor/819/#254578
Evil whip or same rules for everybody Mr Turner?
Gee, I wonder who has better sources on Parliament Hill procedure – me, as MP, or a kid Tory blogger? Believe what you want, pal. — Garth
I get more respect for the Prime Minister every day.
By ERIC FOREMAN on 04.17.07 7:45 am
Another Kool-Aide drinker .
Yea, he is just a swell human being .
Deb – you are delusional. At no time in their history have the Liberals ever tried to stifle or curtail free speech. Indeed, the Liberals have been the strongest advocates for freedom, free speech and constitutional rights. It is PM Harpo and the CPC who have attempted again and again over the past year to stifle free speech and deny Canadians their constitutional rights. Perhaps you and the other right wing special interest groups are happy to let the neoCON bigots flush your rights and freedoms down the drain, but the rest of Canada not suffer these fascists for long.
By Leasa on 04.17.07 7:33 am
I never realized it ’til now, Leasa, but you suffer from TWO MAJOR personal failings:
1. You think censoring democracy, and even the promotion of book-burning, are part of the ‘intelligent design’ coming from the PMO on high.
2. Your personal hygiene leaves a lot to be desired. You have dandruff on your shoes. My, what a paradox you are!
In the words of Judge Roy Bean, “She had many faults, but I loved her still.†He was speaking reverently of his remote but all-consuming love, Lilly Langtree.
Now for the love of Manitouwadge, BE STILL.
By Pyotr Petrobitch on 04.17.07 8:20 am
You think you know me on a personal level? How truly interesting.
Sean has been on a few postings now asking Garth why he allows such personal insults. He’s listed several examples and seems quite sincere in the question. So far, there has not been a reply.
Read what Sean is asking. Look at some of the totally outrageous comments here. Now, ask yourself why MPs & the Canadian government might be uncomfortable with MPtv.
I give a perfectly rational opinion, one of which makes perfect sense and instead of a rational thought response, Garth simply calls me stupid.
This from all appearances seems to be the Liberal mindset. If you are from ‘the other side’, your opinion means nothing and you must be stupid. That means, 2/3rds of all Canadians do not deserve to be heard. They certainly aren’t heard on MPtv. L
Leasa, just to be clear, I never called you stupid – and you know it, you maniplatrix. I asked if you realized “how stupid” one of your stupid comments sounded. Big diff. — Garth
Yea, he is just a swell human being . – JCLH
Finally, a comment from you that makes sense. I guess your finally coming around, Gart … sorry, JCLH.
Well Garth, when are you going to back it up with some action here???
By Sean P. Hogan on 04.17.07 9:21 am
Get out the crying towel Hogans back .
Perhaps you and the other right wing special interest groups are happy to let the neoCON bigots flush your rights and freedoms down the drain, but the rest of Canada not suffer these fascists for long.
By Elias on 04.17.07 10:27 am
Unbelievable!
Ask Mr. Black if the former government has ever tried to stifle the media. Ask the reporter who had her office and home ransacked.
I see the insults and slurs are only going to get worse on this board. I wonder what would happen if I referred to M. Dion in this manner?
I said it a long time ago, if Mr. Turner was just an ordinary citizen running a Liberal blog, that’s one thing, but he is an MP who is trying to prove why he should have full access to the HoC with his blog cameras. An MP. You people with with your slanderous slurs are not helping him prove his case, but are proving just the opposite. L
We used to believe that all human beings are basically good, or at least have a good nature, even though they sometimes do things that are bad.
Surely it is dangerous to refer to another human being (who, being human, has both strengths and weaknesses, like all of us) as an “evil” person.
Therefore, I take great exception to the statement, “evil Con whip Jay Hill jumpted the gun…”
This statement does not give to another human being the dignity and respect that he is basically a good and well meaning person who sometimes does foolish and even wrong things.
Rather, it says that in his personhood, in his very essence, and core identity, he is the epitome of evil, an evil person.
Surely this type of talk is dangerous, and unbecoming of a Member of Parliament.
There is a vast difference between saying that “Jay Hill is a person who sometimes does wrong things” and saying, “evil Jay Hill…”
The former is simply talking about his ACTIONS or his BEHAVIOUR. The latter is talking about his very BEING and ESSENCE as a person.
Is it any wonder, then, if people do not end up responding to us as we respond to them? Who will break this cycle? It will take a mature person, and so far, I don’t see any maturity demonstrated by the subjects of this post.
Maturity comes with the acceptance of responsibility for one’s own responses, and immaturity remains when we blame others for the problems that we have created for ourselves.
Have a good day, one and all.
Never met him, have you? That’s obvious. — Garth
To LEASA;
Just let the slurs and insults continue.
Remember, if you’re a Liberal on this blog, you can say anything with impunity. Don’t let it get to you, because they’re not listening anyways.
I’ve directed many to this blog. They’re shocked that Garth would allow this (along with calling constituents stupid, etc).
Believe me, it doesn’t look good on Garth.
This is a free speech zone, whether you Conservatives like hearing it or not. And, of course, I never called a constituent stupid. If you can show me where, you just won a big prize. — Garth
Stephen Harpo got his marching orders from 1600,Pennsylvania Ave.The Income Trusts fiasco was dictated out of the US by the department of Commerce during the SLD negotiations .
The SLA was a secondary consideration as energy is the number one issue in the
US .
The US strong armed and coerced this deal with Canada as a payoff for the lumber agreement that is now imp[loding on cue .
Michael Wilson,Jim Flaherty , Steve Harpo are all responsible for the energy trusts sector disappearing from Canada and by magic reappearing in the US .
Go ahead prove me wrong . You can’t as this is the truth of the matter .
Our energy sector will be wholly owned by US interests by 2012 . Guaranteed .
Latest figures from Fraser Institute re. how average Canadian family spends their income:
35% – food, clothing, housing
45% – taxes
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070416.wtaxes0416/BNStory/Business/home
Leasa, just to be clear, I never called you stupid – and you know it, you manipulatrix. I asked if you realized “how stupid†one of your stupid comments sounded. Big diff. — Garth
No, Garth, I am not a manipulatrix (nice word) at all. I don’t manipulate but I do ASK. What was stupid about my comment? Has MPtv, since you became an Independent then Liberal posted anything positive about the current government? They have done some very good work including files that used to be important to you. I do not recall anything positive here at all. So, Garth dearest, my opinion was not stupid. I do acquiesce that you did say my comment was stupid and not me personally as of yet. L
Garth: You fillip me o’ the head.
– Shakespeare, Troilus and Cressida
This is a free speech zone, whether you Conservatives like hearing it or not. And, of course, I never called a constituent stupid. If you can show me where, you just won a big prize. — Garth
By ERIC FOREMAN on 04.17.07 10:59 am
Nah,Garth doesn’t use the word stupid but I do .
Beat it stupid !
Well Garth, when are you going to back it up with some action here???
By Sean P. Hogan on 04.17.07 9:21 am
Get out the crying towel Hogans back .
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 10:35 am
So, how does this not contravene your no-insult policy???
Deb – you are delusional. At no time in their history have the Liberals ever tried to stifle or curtail free speech. Indeed, the Liberals have been the strongest advocates for freedom, free speech and constitutional rights. It is PM Harpo and the CPC who have attempted again and again over the past year to stifle free speech and deny Canadians their constitutional rights. Perhaps you and the other right wing special interest groups are happy to let the neoCON bigots flush your rights and freedoms down the drain, but the rest of Canada not suffer these fascists for long.
By Elias on 04.17.07 10:27 am
More insults here Garth, is this a free-speech zone? If so, doesn’t that mean your posts about removing insults is not true?
Thank you Leasa, I’m glad that someone is acknowledging these improprieties against other posters. Much appreciated.
Gee, Garth, judging by the ever-expanding neo-Con truthiness squad trying to shame you on your blog, you are a force to be reckoned with in federal politics.
Not bad for a little MP who was cast into the outer darkness never to be heard of again. And its good for voters to see the CPC mindset at work.
Écrasez l’infâmie!
Why should a semi-literate cretin like Stephen Taylor be given access to the precincts of Parliament ?
His blog (?) is filled with diatribes of nonsensical rantings by knucle dragging neandercons that add nothing to the debate.
You think any stiff should have access to the corridors of power . What a riot that would be .
Clearly Taylor is jealous of Garth and his ability to interview all and sundry on a wide range of topics that are enlightening and well thought out .
No,if Taylor wants to roam the halls of power he should get himself elected .
Nike Nichols, you are correct. Garth has dared others to point out any personal slurs because he has stated he doesn’t do that, and now you have pointed it out. Thank you.
Donna,
Bill – that comment is beneath you. Perhaps you could explain what you are meaning by it?
I find the actions PMSH and his Goon Squad beneath the dignity of Canada.
But, even though I know I am wasting my time typing this here are a few, of the many on record, historical ‘attitudes’ warranting such an observation:
1. PMSH cutsoff the MSM from scrums to control the media coverage of his ‘new’ government.
2. PMSH has orders issued to evict MP Garth Turner from his established office, and makes an attempt to control MPTv.
3. PMSH refuses to answer questions in QP.
4. PMSH has publically stated, on the record, he will ‘NOT’ abide by the findings of Parliamentary votes.
5. PMSH has privately agreed to sign multi-billion dollar contracts without the consent of Parliament.
6. PMSH has publically stated, on the record, that he does not agree with the authority of the Supreme Court of Canada as the final say regarding our Constitution and Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
So, whereas PMSH exhibits the clear and present danger to Canada, and all Canadians of being beyond the established laws of Canada, one can only assume he will soon insist on establishing some clear identification means to ease his angst in recognition, as has been the historical act of such persons. That is usually followed by some form of symbolism denoting a ‘new’ government, which IN FACT, he has already done by revision of the exisitng Government of Canada websites and content.
One might say PMSH is attempting to ‘Brand’ his ideology and eradicate the foundations of Canada.
I shall leave the conclusions and comparisons upto your well educated mind to ascertain the import of PMSH’s actions already completed, and probable in the near future.
You have no idea how stupid you sound. — Garth To LEASA
You’re probably going to argue that you didn’t call someone stupid, they just sound stupid. Or that LEASA isn’t a constituent, so calling her stupid doesn’t count.
Then, of course, you would be splitting hairs.
I believe your behaviour is unbecoming of a sitting MP.
I agree this is a free speech blog. However, Conservatives viewpoints are always dumped on, no matter how valid.
You, for example, have never commented on anything JACKIE CHAN’S LEFT HAND has said. Do you agree with everything he says?
I hope not, because he’s a dink.
And before you tell me to go to another blog, I ask you if you want a blog which is sympathetic to differences of option or a blog which is part of the Liberal propaganda machine?
His bias is no secret
By Leasa on 04.17.07 7:33 am
Yours isn’t either! I’m pretty sure, now, that I do know you! You’re going to hear it LOUD AND CLEAR, when we next meet.
How could you think people are not guilty of bias? That’s why we have a democracy … separation of church & state … and, sadly, with this ‘new’ government, a total lack of accountability.
If you look at any of the ‘musings’ by members of the current ‘new’ government, you see comments verging on the ridiculous, such as O’Connor talking about a 10-15 year commitment in Afghanistan. Then, he refuses to disclose his rationale for such a statement.
You answer this ONE question, Leasa.
Why were the transponders which were/are
available as part of ‘kit’ not deployed on Canadian armoured vehicles when the A-10 Warthogs were called in for air support?
You deal with that ONE question, Leasa and I’ll tell you whether I know you or not.
Elias, except if one wants to promote the traditional view of marriage, or if one wants to protect life before birth… that mustn’t be mentioned… too bigoted… great insults to ensue, for sure. Jean Chretien now admits that he promoted something without realizing the outcome… great forethought. Others had foreseen this, and warned of the consequences, but were shouted down as being bigots. This blog if an example of any reasonable discussion or opinion being stamped upon. Very, very tiresome. I’m glad there are few who stick with it nevertheless. I know you hope for them to go… it has been said on a post. Oh well, thoughtful people will see through all this. Poor Garth is like a wounded animal fighting for his life.
You wish. — Garth
Leasa: Ask Conrad Black? Is that the same Conrad Black who spat in the face of Canada by denying his own Canadian citizenship? Is that the same Conrad Black who has been indited with securities fraud? Is that the same Conrad Black who has been accused of stealing millions of shareholders dollars? Yes, the very “honorable” Mr. Black. Excuse me if I’m not impressed.
As for the reporter who’s office was “ran shackled” – that was done by the RCMP, not the Liberal party. I believe they were executing a perfectly legal warrant. And by the way, it is the Charter of Rights (brought in by the Liberals) which limits the powers of the RCMP to ransack peoples offices and homes. If you don’t like Natzi police behavior, then you should be applauding the efforts of the Liberals to protect YOUR rights.
Unbelievable – indeed, it is unbelievable that you neoCONs are so blinded by your own bigotry and hatred that you are incapable of seeing the facts that are poised so clearly right before your eyes.
Leasa got nothing to do? She’s on here all the time. Hmmmm – maybe she works for one of the Tory MP’s.
Go for a walk or something Leasa – it does the mind a lot of good.
Sean: If you believe the comment” get our your crying towel” is a slur and worthy of ouster from the blog, then, you sir are thin-skinned.
If that is all it takes for you to think someone is belittling you then you must get offended on a daily basis.
This is a blog, it is not Miss Manners or Emily Post. If you can’t handle a little sarcasm or tongue-in-cheek comments then perhaps you should think of commencing your own blog and you can banish people left and right.
Deb: site ONE, yes, just ONE incident where any persons right to speak against abortion or gay marriage have ever been denied by a Liberal government. Name me ONE piece of legislation which has denied any Canadian the right to say whatever they want about abortion and gay marriage! You can’t, because they don’t exist!
As for Gay Marriage – I would like to point out that it was various members of the reform party/alliance that proposed using the “not withstanding” clause to deny gay people their constitutionally protected rights to marry whom they please. As for Abortion – the Supreme Court of Canada (during the tenure of a Conservative PM no less) shot down the abortion laws as unconstitutional nearly 20 years ago. If you want to deny a woman’s right to chose what to do with her own body, then be my guest. Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously though.
As for being shouted down for being bigots, I believe in calling a spade a spade. If you are a bigot, then I have every right to call you a bigot. If you don’t like that, then go live in Saudi Arabia where you right wing Fascist types run the roost.
Finally, as to Eric Foreman’s comments that Conservative comments are “dumped on” – grow up Eric. As the old expression goes “If you can’t take the heat, then get out”. If you want to partake in neoCON praise with a bunch of “Harper Butt Monkeys” then I suggest you go to one of the Blogging neoCON sites.
No, Garth, m’boy, I am not wishing, I am observing.
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 10:35 am
So, how does this not contravene your no-insult policy???
By Sean P. Hogan on 04.17.07 11:12 am
Maybe because it was aimed at you the biggest whiner on this blog .
Why do you bother hanging out here if you dislike the responses so much ?
Just so you have something to snivel about ?
Give it a rest Hogan .
Deb: I believe you are the one blinded by partisanship. The Cons have lied since day one. Appointing Fortier, hiding the Public Works minister in the Senate where he never shows up to answer questions, lying to Seniors about their nest eggs, lying to families about creating 125,000 new day care spaces, lying to Canadians about the so-called softwood lumber deal ( which is now in dispute), lying to us about the mission in Afghanistan ( O’Connor has mislead and decieved a number of times), lying to Canadians about the benefits of the $100. a month child care benefit ( it is taxable), lying to Canadians about their commitment to the Environment (wasn’t even on their radar a year ago), lying to Canadians about transparency ( contracts awarded to Con friendly companies, appointments to friends and contributors—-is that a big enough list for you?
Yes, the Liberals had their faults, but you cannot deny that the Cons are not doing business any differently.
“… I ask you if you want a blog which is sympathetic to differences of option (sic) or a blog which is part of the Liberal propaganda machine?” – Eric Foreman at 11:28 am
How can a member of the neo-Con truthiness squad pose such a question without dying of embarrassment? Only because they know no shame.
Écrasez l’infâmie!
This is a free speech zone, whether you Conservatives like hearing it or not. And, of course, I never called a constituent stupid. If you can show me where, you just won a big prize. — Garth
By ERIC FOREMAN on 04.17.07 10:59 am
Nah,Garth doesn’t use the word stupid but I do .
Beat it stupid !
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 11:11 am
Here’s another one Garth. No substance, just insults.
Yea, Liberals just can’t get it done .
Read it and weep:
A new poll suggests the gap between the Conservatives and Liberals has narrowed to three percentage points, another signal that a spring federal election may be on hold afterall.
The survey by Decima Research, provided exclusively to The Canadian Press, put Tory support at 34 per cent nationally.
That’s far short of majority government territory and two points back of where the Conservatives were on election day in January 2006.
The Liberals polled 31 per cent nationally, while the NDP got 15 per cent, the Green party 11, and the Bloc Quebecois, seven.
Political sabre-rattling by the Tory government in recent months had Liberals claiming Prime Minister Stephen Harper was set to engineer his own defeat and force an election.
But Decima CEO Bruce Anderson says volatility in public opinion makes that a very risky proposition for anyone seeking a majority mandate.
The situation is especially intriguing in Quebec, where the Bloc hit a new low of 29 per cent, and the upstart Greens tracked 13 per cent.
The Liberals led the Tories 23-20 in the province, while the NDP trailed with 10 per cent support.
And the real numbers are much more dramatic than that .
Nationally the Liberals have the support of 45% of the decided electorate the neo-cons 30% the NDP has 25% and the Green machine 15%
Re: comments by ERIC FOREMAN on 04.17.07 11:28 am
I don’t know how long you have been monitoring this blog but I can tell you from experience that Garth will dump on any ideas with which he does not agree whether partisan or non-partisan.
He has actually been quite lenient with posters such as Leasa and Jackie neither of which have a non-partisan bone in their bodies and which are often “over the top” with their comments.
Garth, this is a quote from you March 6, 2007.
So, best we have this little chat now. Before the writ is dropped. This may come as a surprise to all the PMO people reading this and the Conservartive MP staffers who post all day and the hapless Halton Tories who have more spleen than gonads, but you will not get use of my own digital real estate to spew your venom. Yes, we will discuss the issues. Yes, I will allow every dissenting opinion to be heard. Yes, posters from every political affiliation will be allowed comment.
But the pure invective ends now.
People are still being compared to Nazis on here and you still allow it to appear. Why?
I agree with you totaly Lana. Good post. I don’t believe Leasa is a woman. (She, he) is more likely an yellow bellied MP in Harpers caucus: Maybe even the King Pin himself.
By Irene on 04.17.07 10:20 am
My belly is not yellow. It’s a nice healthy pink. You guys give me way too much credit. I’m just another yokel who likes to ponder the question of the day. Last I checked, yup, I’m a girl.
Now, I’ve got serious work to do, running the country and all…a woman’s work is never done. tsk tsk.
L
People are still being compared to Nazis on here and you still allow it to appear. Why?
By Sean P. Hogan on 04.17.07 1:10 pm
Let me guess . Just to piss you off ?
Hi Garth, I agree the plan to tax income trusts was ill-conceived and devestating for a great many Canadians (and for the economy, too, as we are finding out now). That said, why not get this news out into the public domain more effectively on a national scale? The time is now, especially if an election is imminent.
I’m thinking about television ads broadcast during the hockey playoffs. Get one or some of the investors who lost money to speak about the issue. Do it stark, few words, powerful message. A gentleman on a stool in a spotlight, a woman on her porch, a group of regular investors sitting in Timmies.
The gentleman says “I lost x amount of dollars when Stephen Harper lied to me” then the woman repeats that with her amount lost, then the group follows up with the same message. Finally, an expert’s word about how the lie has facilitated the income trusts going south and how that is damaging Canada’s eceonomy.
All because of “Stephen Harper’s lie.” That needs to be repeated at least 4 times throughout the 30 sec spot.
Give it a try. I’d love to see it.
-R
Jackie – interesting post about the poll. Do you have a link?
How can a member of the neo-Con truthiness squad pose such a question without dying of embarrassment? Only because they know no shame. – Herb
What?
Nationally the Liberals have the support of 45% of the decided electorate the neo-cons 30% the NDP has 25% and the Green machine 15%
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 1:03 pm
Did you pass math in school?
PJW on
That okay you like HARPER Hope fully he will be gone soon And he never stayed long in a job that is his past and the past is the future that is normal fact off live You future is hiding in your past is a dictator and will stay that way and liar
By ann d on 04.17.07 9:38 am
Ann, what ever made you think I like Harper?
I guess we know the little wimp who used to run to the teacher and tattle on all the other little boys…address an issue and stop trying to play goody police!
Sean;
Don’t waste your time with JACKIE.
A few weeks ago, he said polls meant nothing. Today, he’s quoting polls.
He’s made a point about adding to the debate. Yet, he’s saying things like “beat it stupid” and “Any more dumb questions KH?”.
Ignore him. He’ll go away.
I’ve pulled more important things out of my nose.
C.B. Innes, has Leasa ever come close to comparing others to Nazis?
Hogan,
since you haven’t been back to the Red & Green thread this afternoon, I’ll repeat a comment I’d hate you to miss:
“Ah, my favourite ankle-biter, Sean, still desperately trying to make an impression on a local ankle. And yes, it’s intended as an insult, since you neither operate with nor respond to fact or logic.
By Herb on 04.17.07 11:28 am”
“… I ask you if you want a blog which is sympathetic to differences of option (sic) or a blog which is part of the Liberal propaganda machine?†– Eric Foreman at 11:28 am
How can a member of the neo-Con truthiness squad pose such a question without dying of embarrassment? Only because they know no shame.
Écrasez l’infâmie!
By Herb on 04.17.07 12:48 pm
Hey Herb, can you stop the insults when you post?
Herb,
“Ah, my favourite ankle-biter, Sean, still desperately trying to make an impression on a local ankle.
Kind of leaves one with the feeling of what being attacked by a toothless toad would feel like, doesn’t it? Gnaw! Gnaw! Gnot!
Garth were you in town teaching history today? My child had a sub history teacher (high school), who referred to Diefenbaker as Thief n Faker, and painted all former liberals as hero’s and Conservatives as well, the name I mentioned makes the point. Honestly, what’s wrong with people? L
Dief is one of my heroes. — Garth
Sean P. Hogan, Leasa has done far worse than comparing people to Natzis. She compared the entire Liberal party to organized criminals and terrorists.
Garth,
Dief is one of my heroes. — Garth
Tell me it isn’t so? Dief the killer PM of AVRO Arrow…the GREATEST aircraft ever built by anyone?
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
I didn’t say he got everything right! — Garth
Eric Foreman (like that’s your real name) How many of my tax dollars are you burning up sitting in front of that computer screen in that 17,000 foot election “Death Star” you CPC pickpockets built in Ottawa. If its more than $0.01 then I want my money back!
Hey Herb, can you stop the insults when you post?
By Sean P. Hogan on 04.17.07 3:43 pm
Hey Sean, would you like some cheese with that whine?
Leasa: very interesting fiction you created. Would you like to name the teacher and school? Why not call up Global News, the Toronto Sun or even CTV and complain. No? now why not…oh right, you made the whole thing up. And by the way, “Thief and Faker” is not that bad a name for the man who single handedly destroyed Canada’s Aerospace industry.
Elias,
…17,000 foot election “Death Star†you CPC pickpockets built in Ottawa.
ROFLMAO…On that one I declare the bar open for the evening! Whata line…Magnificient!
Did you pass math in school?
By C. B. Innes on 04.17.07 1:47 pm
Of course. Did you ?
Figures are calculated including margin of error giving a number of 115 %
Thought it was obvious .
Feel free to round down the neo-twits numbers though as they are probably a little on the high side .
Eric Foreman (like that’s your real name) How many of my tax dollars are you burning up sitting in front of that computer screen in that 17,000 foot election “Death Star†you CPC pickpockets built in Ottawa. If its more than $0.01 then I want my money back!
BY ELIAS ON 04.17.07 4:45 PM
In fact, I asked that your tax dollars be used exclusively.
http://tinyurl.com/38jr4f
Here ya, go Elias .
She compared the entire Liberal party to organized criminals and terrorists. – ELIAS
What’s your point?
ROFLMAO…On that one I declare the bar open for the evening! Whata line…Magnificient! – BILL-MUSKOKA
Hmmmmmmm….
You and Jackie sound strangely similar. I wonder…
Hey Sean, would you like some cheese with that whine?
By PJW on 04.17.07 4:47 pm
Love that comeback PJW . You are quite a card .
PS:
Didn’t understand your post to me this morning about pots and kettles though .
Eric Foreman the dumb kid from that 70′s show . Another major whiner a few chromosomes short .
Yea, way to identify .
Garth,
I didn’t say he got everything right! — Garth
I think that falls under the point system of 1 Atta Boy and 12000 Ah Shits! LOL
At least I was able to touch the forward section of Arrow #206 at the Canadian Air Museum in Ottawa. It was like touching the souls of all those thousands of AVRO and Orenda workers.
You will please forgive a pilot, jet engine and crew chief mechanic who truly appreciates what they accomplished.
They also have an Orenda Iroquois engine sitting next to #206, and the ‘Hey, this might better if it works’ BOMARC
misled, er, missile Dief, sold us out to the U.S. for.Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Makes me want to do the Rebel Yell of ‘Forget Hell!’
ERIC FOREMAN,
You and Jackie sound strangely similar. I wonder…
Nope! It is just the PC Filter you have on your CPC Death Star computer. Like China, can’t have you getting any outside information…you might mutiny, especially if the Kool-Aide runs out!
Hmmmmmmm….
You and Jackie sound strangely similar. I wonder…
By ERIC FOREMAN on 04.17.07 5:11 pm
Nope. But thanks for playing .
Go get ‘em ankle biter .
FYI the reason I quote polls is I find them quite ridiculous and hilarious after the last election predicted 157,seats for the neandercons .
Jackie, it was commenting on one of the Cons positions….it was the pot calling the kettle black…meaning those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
JCLH,
Which is, also, the reason I believe ‘polling’ should be left to experienced ranch hands.
Leasa: very interesting fiction you created. Would you like to name the teacher and school?
Never mind the teacher and the school what’s the brats name ?
Visions of Leasa: 5’2,300 lbs.,straggly dirty brown hair permanently in curlers.
Wearing a faded Mu-Mu now the colour of sheets that have been washed threadbare.
Bullet proof underwear,socks rolled down to her ankles,3,weeks worth of leg hair.
And a smile that could stop a speeding locomotive .With a fat baby on her hip in need of a fresh Huggy .
Cigarette dangling from her twisted lips as she pours 3,fingers of Beam into an unwashed jelly jar .
JCLH,
Oooooooooooooooooooooo! Is that MacKay’s new girlfriend?
Wow! The Avro.Such a flying machine as man has ever seen .
Dan Aykroyds mom used to work at the plant.He produced the movie which was altogether an exciting chapter in Canadian history. Kudos to all who knew and loved that beautiful aircraft .
What an engine ! What a fighter !
Even more respect for Billy-Muskoka now.
Go Airforce or Army or Navy or Marines .
Respect ‘em all .
JCLH,
Which is, also, the reason I believe ‘polling’ should be left to experienced ranch hands.
By Bill-Muskoka on 04.17.07 5:37 pm
Oh,Billy your hot tonight.
ROTFLMAO
Thanks I needed that .
Of course. Did you ?
Figures are calculated including margin of error giving a number of 115 %
Thought it was obvious .
Feel free to round down the neo-twits numbers though as they are probably a little on the high side .
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 5:03 pm
LOL, creative math, I see!
Didn’t understand your post to me this morning about pots and kettles though .
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 5:18 pm
Okay, PJ.Penny dropped .I neglected to read the entire post so I took it out of context .
JCLH,
Oooooooooooooooooooooo! Is that MacKay’s new girlfriend?
By Bill-Muskoka on 04.17.07 5:47 pm
Yea, and she’s a treat .
By Jackie Chan’s Left Hand on 04.17.07 5:03 pm
LOL, creative math, I see!
By C. B. Innes on 04.17.07 6:00 pm
Unh,huh ! Thought you’d like that .
Probably as accurate as anything we see from Leger,Decima et al .
I guess they never taught you ’sarcasm’ there on the rock, eh? — Garth
By donna on 04.16.07 10:48 pm
Yea, he is just a swell human being . – JCLH
Finally, a comment from you that makes sense. I guess your finally coming around, Gart … sorry, JCLH.
By ERIC FOREMAN on 04.17.07 10:33 am
Nor elementary school it would appear .
Elias, what are you smoking tonight? I have referred as has the entire population of Canada regarding the varied criminal investigations under the Liberal regime…but that’s as far as I would go. As for organized crime, do you know something I don’t. If so, please tell.
Chan, you really are going way way across that line. Unlike you, I do not have to insult and lie to get attention or make my point. Please tell me your name and where I might meet you, because I would sure like to smack your face right now. But of course, bullies like you are usually complete cowards. If you have a spouse, please express my sympathy to that person. You must be hell to live with. L
I always get a bit of a chuckle over the Liberals nostalgia over a war plane. We could have developed the plane in peace time while and foregone the various social programs that we now enjoy but I wonder how happen people would have been if we made that choice. We would have had an enormously expensive make work project that might have benefited a few highly paid technicians but to what purpose?
I know I just posted on this topic a few minutes ago, I don’t want to be greedy here, but you know, I feel so offended right now…I know I shouldn’t let it get to me, but what about the story I shared about my sons class with a high school sub, was so bad that it provoked such outrageous and hurtful commentary? Chan especially and his rah rah fan Bill really crossed the line, what’s the deal Garth? Is this what you ran to?
I will no longer be posting here or reading this blog. I do not need this kind of humiliating, insulting, stressful crap. No, Garth it is not free speech, it is assault. L
Eric Foreman
Are you Peter van Loon you sound like him
C.B. Innes, has Leasa ever come close to comparing others to Nazis?
By Sean P. Hogan on 04.17.07 3:34 pm
I guess it would depend on whether someone might be just as offended by being called “loony lefties.” Leasa is extremely good at using offensive language against anyone who has a different opinion.
I cannot see how you can defend Leasa and at the same time advocate for more respectful language from others.
I loved the Avro movie. Always felt I was born into the wrong time. Too early or too late.
But Harpo, not to be outdone by Dief has tossed out our Mars Rover project for the EU. No one does it as well as we do. Now it’s gone. It’s being compared to the Avro Arrow as far as lost tech and industry for Canada. Getting it done all right. I can’t even begin to say how choked I am by this utterly boneheaded move.
JCLH,
The Craftsmen and women at A.V.Roe, and Orenda Engines (still in business BTW) gave the world the following technological advances that have, even, today, not been exceeded in total performance by anyone.
The Arrow as a total aircraft flew to the edge of space, did MACH 3.5, (never matched, buit close by the SR-71 thanks to the Canadian engineers on that project) and even the SR-71 Blackbird, which was the product of Lockheed’s Skunk Works at Nellis AFB (home to the SR-71 and U-2, and Area 51) mostly from the engineers hired by Lockheed away from A.V. Roe after Dief caused them to all be FIRED.
The ejectable Crew Capsule Cockpit was found in the safety systems of the SR-71 Blackbird.
The Leading Edge Notch was found on the McDonald Douglas F-4B Phantom II, as were the variable area anulus air intakes which prevent formation of the sonic barrier resulting in a flame-out above MACH 1.
The Orenda Iroquois engine was found in England’s Air Museum (Gee, all were destroyed, eh?…NOT) and its design powered the French Concord SST, the B1-B Supersonic Bomber, probably the French Mirage. It produced 35,000 lbs of static thrust without afterburner, whereas the state of the art engine of the late 1950′s, the GE J-79, only produced 17,000 pounds of thrust IN AFTERBURNER, gulping fuel like a drunken sailor downs shooters and beer, and, left twin black streaks in the sky, referred to as the ‘Brakes of Naval Air, better known as Skidmarks In The Sky.’ They made it very easy for the Viet Cong to track and shoot down F-4 Phantoms (which we said were living proof that a brick can be made to fly if you add enough power) with antique rifles.
Today, Canadian engineers, the same geniuses that gave NASA the Canada Arm gave the world remote robotic surgery in an MRI environment allowing the most delicate and precise brain surgery in history. This same technique allows a highly skilled surgeon to operate over the internet to perfom remote surgery.
Canada gave the world Insulin, the radio, the telephone, and a veritable plethora of innovative advanced technology.
Yet, we have politicians who remain clueless, and a citizenry who thinks the U.S is the Nirvanna of scientific advancement. PMSH recently cancelled a premiere project because he ‘didn’t believe in it!’ HOGWASH I say!
Our government buys used subs from the Brits that leak like seaves, and tanks meant for combat missions on Europe against the former Soviet Union. Boy, with leadership like that we can really look forward to a pleasant backbench role on the world stage of leading technology, eh?
Bill said
“I find the actions PMSH and his Goon Squad beneath the dignity of Canada.
But, even though I know I am wasting my time typing this here are a few, of the many on record, historical ‘attitudes’ warranting such an observation:
1. PMSH cutsoff the MSM from scrums to control the media coverage of his ‘new’ government.”
Bill – PMSH has every right to “control” the media scrums – check back as to how JC handled the media – or PM. The media has the uncanny ability to play gotcha politics – especially where Conservatives are concerned.
“2. PMSH has orders issued to evict MP Garth Turner from his established office, and makes an attempt to control MPTv.”
Um – Bill – Garth moved over to the Liberals – Garth was no longer a conservative – Why would Garth need an office on the Conservative side of the House. Of course – if you listened only to Garth, you would think he was thrown out, the truth however, is that once he moved to the Liberals, the onus was on the Liberal side to find him an office. That would be like you getting a new job but staying in your old office.
“3. PMSH refuses to answer questions in QP.”
What the hell are you talking about – I hear him answer questions every day.
“4. PMSH has publically stated, on the record, he will ‘NOT’ abide by the findings of Parliamentary votes.”
Example – please?
“5. PMSH has privately agreed to sign multi-billion dollar contracts without the consent of Parliament.”
Examples – please?
“6. PMSH has publically stated, on the record, that he does not agree with the authority of the Supreme Court of Canada as the final say regarding our Constitution and Charter of Rights and Freedoms.”
Once again – please give an example? It is pretty easy to make all these statements with no backup. Give examples so that the facts can be debated.
“So, whereas PMSH exhibits the clear and present danger to Canada,
Oh puleeze……get real!!!
” and all Canadians of being beyond the established laws of Canada, one can only assume he will soon insist on establishing some clear identification means to ease his angst in recognition, as has been the historical act of such persons. That is usually followed by some form of symbolism denoting a ‘new’ government, which IN FACT, he has already done by revision of the exisitng Government of Canada websites and content.”
Wow – you’ve been reading Garth’s blog way too much – you are starting to believe his conspiracy theories. Since you seem to be into them – CBC is starting a new one that the Virgina murders were the direct result of the Iraq war!!!
Riiiggghhhhtt…..
“One might say PMSH is attempting to ‘Brand’ his ideology and eradicate the foundations of Canada.
I shall leave the conclusions and comparisons upto your well educated mind to ascertain the import of PMSH’s actions already completed, and probable in the near future.”
Bill – the conclusions I have formulated is that PMSH is the best leader (given the recent leadership polls – many agree with me ) that this country has seen in a very, very long time. He is decisive, he has gotten more done in the past year than the liberals got done in their tenure, he is pragmatic and he is a leader.
Now I am sure that Jackie Chan, Judy, Georgine and yes, even you Bill will come back with some derogatory comments and of course Garth will be adding his two sense to the bottom of my comments.
By Bill-Muskoka on 04.17.07 11:21 am
Thanks for the info Bill . I appreciate it.
Yea, a Canadian invented the light bulb as well and sold the patent to Edison . A little known fact .
Insulin I would be dead without it .
The entire NASA program was full of Canadian talent mostly developed at the Avro plant as you know .
Some times I feel we are a little too humble .
JCLH,
Please tell me your name and where I might meet you, because I would sure like to smack your face right now.
Knowing you must be shaking in your socks at a direct, quotable threat of assault from Leasa, I raise my glass to your health mon ami!
What will happen next? Sean will threaten to cry?
C.B. Innes,
We would have had an enormously expensive make work project that might have benefited a few highly paid technicians but to what purpose?
It denied Canada its rightful place as the leader in aerospace techology in this world is all.
You know I respect you greatly, but mon ami, consider that Orenda had massive contracts for the Iroqouis engine, and Dief’s cancellation cost Canada, its people, the workers, engineers, and our government, billions in revenues.
It was, and remains, the stupidest, most ego driven act of any Prime Minister to date. I, however, believe that PMSH will exceed that level of stupidity given ample time. He is well on his way with the IT fiasco.
BTW, I called our financial adviser to check on the effect of the IT fiasco on our meager investments. Fortunately, he is a true professional, and we, because of his wise management, and our conservative, non-greedy approach to investments, made us money since October 31st. He stated, however, that he has clients who were 80% into high rate IT’s and they did not fair well.
Expecting reasonable returns gets reasonable returns. Playing investments like a slot-machine at a casino is for the foolhardy, IMHO! The house always wins!
Muskoka,
in defence of Dief the Chief, there was no market for the Arrow. Your former compatriots had one major objection to the bird: NOT MADE HERE! Which would have left the Soviet Union as the major potential market, and there would have been little understanding for Canada trying that market.
It really would have been a major make-work project, and we couldn’t afford it. Sad, but simple. Don’t blame the Canadian Government, blame the American and the MIC.
C.B. Innes, has Leasa ever come close to comparing others to Nazis?
By Sean P. Hogan on 04.17.07 3:34 pm
I guess it would depend on whether someone might be just as offended by being called “loony lefties.†Leasa is extremely good at using offensive language against anyone who has a different opinion.
I cannot see how you can defend Leasa and at the same time advocate for more respectful language from others.
By C. B. Innes on 04.17.07 8:35 pm
C.B., I honestly didn’t see that. At the same time, I haven’t seen you address Nazi comments that were recently said on here either. Using your logic, I can only assume that you support it because you didn’t admonish said posters. But I don’t because I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt and so should you. Tell me, is the use of looney left worse, equal, or better than the use of Nazi type language? At the same time, does Leasa constantly use these insults like these others do? No. But that doesn’t mean she should use them in the first place as that is wrong. C.B., I’m not partisan, never have been.
Oh C.B., forgot one more point I wanted to make to you. If you look at what I have pointed out, the posts have either been direct and personal or to do with Nazi comments about conservatives in general who post here. I can live with disagreement from others, no problem, but when it becomes insulting and extreme, it must be addressed. Heck, Garth has stated that he wouldn’t be allowing it, doesn’t that give you pause as to why he doesn’t?
JCLH,
Please tell me your name and where I might meet you, because I would sure like to smack your face right now.
Knowing you must be shaking in your socks at a direct, quotable threat of assault from Leasa, I raise my glass to your health mon ami!
What will happen next? Sean will threaten to cry?
By Bill-Muskoka on 04.18.07 12:26 am
Please note C.B., I would never say anything like this either. I discuss substance rather than attack someone personally, and I use my real name to boot, unlike many others here.
Garth,
Please give Sean some Imodium A-D, he is spewing his diarhea all over the blog.
Donna,
even you Bill will come back with some derogatory comments
Your comment was read, and I think that is a sufficient amount of my time regarding it.
Bill, can you point out what I said was false instead of a blanket insult? If you can’t, then why insult?
As I have said, you are proving my point over and over with each post.
Donna, were you serious about the CBC suggesting that the Virginia murders have something to do with Iraq?
Boy…I spent an hour reading some of the stuff on this blog. I am amazed that Turner would allow some of this. Some of you guys are assholes. You are not helping our leader by acting like stupid assholes.
And you should stop acting like a Conservative. — Garth
I wonder if Leasa really means it. Will she really stay away?? Will Sean stop crying and whining? Will Bill stop pining for the Arrow? Is Sandra Dee really dead? Will Jackie ever change? nah, we know that one! Inquiring minds want to know….stay tuned?
Yes, asking for decorum is whining. Asking for Garth to stand by his word is whining. Funny stuff here.