As I mentioned, I was overwhelmed last night by people who wanted their words on the record in the House of Commons today when I spoke on the income trust tax and the budget legislation which will implement it.
Ten minutes ago I arrived in the lobby, your comments in hand, only to be informed the governmennt has moved closure on another piece of legislation, which bumps the budget debate off the calendar. This means I will speak after QP tomorrow, and deliver your messages at that time.
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That’s too bad. I was looking forward to viewing it. I put it on and all I see is a question of privilege. Bummer.
Please Keep Us Posted.
“My decision, then, must be based on these questions: What will benefit the people I represent the most? What will be in the best long-term interest of Canada?
My vote will have to reflect the fact that decades of income-splitting will more than compensate for one week’s investment losses. My vote will acknowledge that wholesale corporate conversions to trusts are unhealthy in those same years to come.”
Garth, unedited November 2006.
Stand by it. And events have shown that Flaherty’s action was far more disasrous than anyone contemplated back in November. Canadian trusts are now being gobbeld up at firesale prices, hurting the economy and reducing the federal tax take to zero. This must be stopped. — Garth
Can we not sense some type of a mysterious plot here to keep Garth from speaking up on behalf of us, the people?
Surely being bumped to another day, another sitting, to deliver our urgent message should not have been taken so passively here when Garth’s representing his constituency must have precedence over the government’s mischievous closure motion.
Is not something fishy going on here?
Flaherty was right to dump this on an unsuspecting nation, in order to keep the stock market carnage to one day or two and avoid a Goodale-type slow melt.
Garth, undedited, October 2006
Why not have the clarity to quote thentire paragraph, written just hours after Flaherty’s Oct. 31 announcement?
“Did he do the right thing, and the right way? Well, this is just what I predicted in the media a couple of weeks ago, after Bell announced it would be morphing into a trust. It looked then like a death stroke was inevitable. And it came on Hallowe’en. Flaherty was right to dump this on an unsuspecting nation, in order to keep the stock market carnage to one day or two and avoid a Goodale-type slow melt. But the boys on Bay Street have long memories, and this night will go down as a classic. In the morning, they will show you. Count on it.”
The next day the TSX lost almost 300 points, starting a slide that would cost investors $25 billion and start a domino effect of Canadian companies being bought by investors, with a total loss of tax revenue to Ottawa. I could not have forseen all of that coming, but I was far more right than wrong. Do you have a point? — Garth
Garth- before you make your presentation tomorrow there is a good article in today’s Edmonton Journal on some of the IT buyouts.
Investors in many cases stand to make a lot of money on the increased values and rising.
As in any stock market or business there are well managed ones and others that are little more than shell companies to flow cash in one end and out the other.
There are some examples of exceptional gains by several good IT’s far exceeding the values prior to the October 2006 tax law changes.
So, congratulations to those IT holders who did their homework and purchased ITs in well run companies as they stand to now increase their investments and earn a nice profit.
Hopefully your presentation will differentiate between good, bad and ugly IT’s as their values, wins and losses are as diverse as the business world at large.
First OConnor now Fortier.Where will the corruption end and the accountability start?
“Minister denies conflict of interest
Public Works head faces accusations related to $400-million computer contract”http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070417.DENIAL17/TPStory/National
http://www.danbaril.com/
A very good read. And talk of CN Grits running an Independent.
Most people know that the income trusts like BCE etc had to be stopped. But here’s the rub… they knew it BEFORE the election.
Then… they went out with their pickets and their platform — and LIED… not just a little lie… but a 25 billion dollar one!
Kinda puts things in perspective. eh.
Garth,
Were such actions to occur in a democratic environment, such as a balanced Congress of the U.S., impeachment proceedings would be instituted.
I proffer that PMSH and his PMO represent a Clear and Present Danger to Canada.
Delay of action will only result in further infliction of injury financial and real to the people of Canada!
It is the duty of the Members of Parliament ot act to preserve the interests of all Canadians.
Will Parliament put the nation’s well being and interests before their own partisan interests?
Sorry you got bumped, I too have the CPAC on and have been waiting to hear your presentation. Ah, tomorrow we shall, barring another delay by the PM.
Laurie: Tell the truth for once. Goodale did not break an election promise. Goodale did NOT tax income trusts. Goodale did not cause the value of income trusts to plummet. HARPER LIED and HARPER TAXED INCOME TRUSTS. HARPER and FLAHERTY caused taxpayers to lose 25 BILLION in investments. Geez…how thick are neoCON skulls that they can’t get that simple fact into their brains.
Laurie: Tell the truth for once. Goodale did not break an election promise. Goodale did NOT tax income trusts. Goodale did not cause the value of income trusts to plummet. HARPER LIED and HARPER TAXED INCOME TRUSTS. HARPER and FLAHERTY caused taxpayers to lose 25 BILLION in investments. Geez…how thick are neoCON skulls that they can’t get that simple fact into their brains.
By Elias on 04.17.07 11:54 am
With apologies to Jethro Tull.’Thick As A Brick’
Simple answer, Elias…
Laurie is a troll!
Take a breathe, Elias, those were Garth’s words not mine.
Keith: Good point. I knew that Fortier appointment stank to high heaven. He is in charge of handing out government contracts – a position ripe for abuse. But, being an appointed (unelected) senator, he does not have to answer questions in the house about those contracts. It looks very much like the CONs are going to set a Canadian record for the most amount of corruption in the shortest period of time possible. Like I said before – the CPC is the NDP on Crack!
Were such actions to occur in a democratic environment, such as a balanced Congress of the U.S., impeachment proceedings would be instituted.
Yeah you’re funny. The only impeachable offense in the US as of late, is lying about having a quickie in the oval office.
“Were such actions to occur in a democratic environment, such as a balanced Congress of the U.S., impeachment proceedings would be instituted.”
Sorry, Bill, but given the amount of lobbying and money involved in the U.S. politcial system, I do not buy the “balanced” or “democratic” nature of the Congress.
Obviously Harper’s spies are reading your blog and informing him.
What is Harper afraid of? What is he hiding.
By trying to keep this issue out of sight he only makes things “more suspicious”.
Harper IS hiding something. There is no other explanation.
Elias, what is a Neo-Con in your opinion? Methinks its not the same as the actual definition, but I have to ask to make sure. Thanks.
SLG, spies? Isn’t this blog available on the internet for anyone to see?
“Flaherty was right to dump this on an unsuspecting nation, in order to keep the stock market carnage to one day or two and avoid a Goodale-type slow melt.”
This statement, taking in the context of the whole paragraph, could be interpreted as at that time of the flip you predicted a market response and that you supported Flaherty in the way he handled the issue, point blank with no warning. The paragraph, does not say either way if you supported taxing IT’s or not AT THAT TIME.
We can either give you the benefit of the doubt, that you didn’t support taxing IT’s or, if you did, that you saw the error of the change in policy and, unlike Flaherty, are prepared to fight to put the situation right.
Either way, you’re looking after investor interest.
Garth, is there no way to force Flaherty to release the figures that he keeps quoting. He has yet to prove his claims of tax leakage. I can’t understand why Layton & Harper are not getting more flack from all you liberals?
Just saw something very silly on CPAC. Dion in his member’s statement said that we need more women represented in parliament and that will make it more democratic. Doesn’t he realize he just contradicted himself in the same sentence? Hilarious stuff here.
Now the Bloc is advocating for the same. Amazing, truly amazing. 2 very leftwing parties advocating parachuting candidates and calling it democracy.
Yes, that’s got to be it.
Harper’s not only obsessed with Garth, he’s scared of him too.
and he’s hiding something.
yet he still finds time to get it done.
JMcCain / Kevin,
Well, you may recall Nixon? I do!
Otherwise both you and Kevinn are right…’a snowball’s chance in Hell’ would be the parable I think! However, like Curly said in ‘City Slickers’ when asked ‘Kill anybody today?’, his reply was ‘The day ain’t over yet!’
There is now a Democratic House and Senate sitting in Congress, and Georgie ain’t quite out the door. Just a little Yankee style observation. LOL
But, our concern is Canada, and sitting here listening to, and occassionally watching QP, we have a PM who is incapable of answering any question put to him regardless of who asks it. That raises the question to me who is coaching who Baird or Harper when it comes to being totally publically unaccountable and clueless as to what is going on in their areas of responsibilies. Disgraceful!
Sean P. Hogan: Thank you for asking me my opinion on what a neoCON is. I will give your question all the respect it deserves, and simply ignore it.
I have a question for you, however (a rhetorical one, I don’t expect an answer). Do all right wing neoCON “christians” like you hate women so much that that you mock anyone who wishes to see more of them elected to the house? Does the idea of women being “parachuted” into a riding offend you because they are being parachuted or because they are women? I’ve heard you complain about women, but I’ve never heard you complain about white male candidates (Peter Kent for example) being “parachuted” into ridings where they don’t even live. Obviously, you have issues with women – look to your bible (or animal entrails or what ever you chistianCON’s consult) for an answer.
Here’s the ruling from the Speaker about the use of calling someone facist, il duce, Mussolini. He ruled that it is unparliamentary and provocative and has asked the Winnipeg-Centre member to withdraw. Sad, that the member tried to explain it away.
Bill,what happened in Canada could not happen in the U.S.
In Canada the legislative and executive branch are one and the same.The U.S. has a division.
So Bush could not enact any laws that were not passed in Congress.
Both Nixon and Clinton were hounded for lying-Nixon for a break in and Clinton for a hummer.
Hogan likes to ignore the “protectionism” of nominees the CPC participates in. Democracy?????
Halton Voter: yes, Harper still has time to lie, deceive, appoint the unelected, break promises, flip, flop, weeble, wobble, smear. If that is getting it done-then he is doing it in spades.
Sean
Sad, that the member tried to explain it away.
Apparently you are so busy critiquing this blog for ‘unsavory’ comments that you did not hear both the admittion and apology in QP today following the Speaker’s decision by the Hon. MP from Winnipeg-Centre?
Smitty,
So Bush could not enact any laws that were not passed in Congress.
Ever hear of the War Powers Act or Executive Orders? The President can cause more havoc for 90 days than the country can recover from.
The Preznut can also Veto any bill passed by Congress and that will then require a 2/3 majority vote to override the veto!
Granted U.S. structure is different than ours, and not better. We have something they long for there…’A Vote of NO Confidence!’ Time to use it methinks!
Just saw something very silly on CPAC. Dion in his member’s statement said that we need more women represented in parliament and that will make it more democratic. Doesn’t he realize he just contradicted himself in the same sentence? Hilarious stuff here.
By Sean P. Hogan on 04.17.07 2:12 pm
It does appear from what you have said that having more women in Parliament would be undemocratic. That does appear to be a widely held view among new Conservatives because they are opposed to any measures that might help women achieve public office. They even rejected a party women’s organization designed to assist women to fight the attitude suggested above. After being involved in an internal party support group I understand how central they in providing support for women within the party.
Halton CPC pickpocket: You can surely think of a better name than “Halton Voter”: I mean, really, don’t you guys have even the tiniest bit of originality?
Judy when you say appoint the unelected what do you mean? Do you not like appointed senators or do you not like Party organizers appointed. The unelected have been appointed for along time but don’t always get cabinet positions. Regards
yet he still finds time to get it done.
By Halton Voter on 04.17.07 2:27 pm
What is that? Lie….he does that very well!
C.B. Innes,
I am wondering if Sean watches the same CPAC QP I watch…the one covering Canada’s HoC?
He doesn’t hear the apology from the MP of Winnipeg-Centre, then hears something Dion did not say! I think this clearly shows signs…yes, definite signs of schizophrenia, or else he is getting his broadcast via the new CPC War Room feed?
Garth better check Sean’s IP…is he sitting at one of those energy wasting CPC computers?
Bill-Executive Orders and The War Powers act have nothing to do with a President changing laws on something like Income Trusts.Those proclamations are broader in substance.Something like Income Trusts are inserted in the last miute to some 300 page bill by Congress.Like the Alaska bridge!
And his veto power has nothing to do with the thread of “if he passed a law like this one”
Smitty,
You DO understand how American politics works. Welcome aboard the Deception Express.
Write a bill that is needed, meaningful, or not, then attach endless ammendments to either get them passed or a lousy bill passed. That’s the American way!
No Brainer Legislation. Like Mark Twain said ‘When people make a mistake…we laugh…it’s a joke. When Congress makes a mistake it’s a LAW!’
Smitty,
As you are well versed on American politics perhaps you can help solve this long standing dilemia?
‘If ‘pro’ is the opposite of ‘con’ does that mean that Congress is the opposite of progress?’ Or the more difficult question of ‘Why do we call a condum a prophylactic’?
Millions are waiting to know!
And now, about Harper and our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. A poignant statement from Green leader Elizabeth May, and I will add, a Hell of lot more than PMSH had to say today on the Charter’s 25th anniversary.
‘Stephen Harper is NOT a leader!’
Sean P. Hogan,
I find your case very interesting. For the past few days I have been lurking and not posting very much and your behaviour is such that should cause you great concern.
I know that you probably think it’s very rude of me to watch you and the others without making my presence known but people do this on blogs all the time so don’t worry about it too much.
Out of about 30 or so posts, 27or so of them are either calling on Garth to stand by his intention to ban rude behaviour, or else simply pointing out that someone is being insulting or rude. One referred to Nazis. 2 or 3 have now called into question bad behavior in the HoC and shared that with all of us. Don’t do that. We watch QP too.
Why is need, this urge to correct everyone? Even those on television, or JCLH, who offends no one but you, or Ann D, who is old enough and hails from Holland and can speak with authority what it’s like to live under Nazis. Can you?
You have offered up 3 comments to topics 2 of which I believe where not troll like. I could be wrong. You may correct me if I made a mistake.
I am a bit concerned that you either cut/paste or save all previous logs so that you may find a snippet so easily as fodder for an argument. That is a true sign of a troll or a spy. That is anti-social and problem behaviour.
If a spy, I sure hope they are paying you lots for it. If you are writing a book; quit now, the way you write is sooo boring.
To end, Sean P. Hogan, I find you irritating and offensive. On occasion I find you rather vile in your smarmy “who me?” attitude. But you have never heard me asking Garth to remove you from his blog.
But if you don’t grow up and contribute like an adult and stop your whining then I shall. And I’m pretty sure a lot of other folks around here would just as soon not be bother scrolling past your blather too.
Bill M!!
rotflmao!!!!
Bill: Can you tell me what a dilemia is?
However I know how much wood a woodchuck can chuck-maybe that could help!
Georgine: Bravo! Well said, well said.
By Georgine on 04.17.07 6:29 pm
Hear! Hear ! Georgine.About time someone pulled him over and read him the ‘riot act’
He casts a pall over this entire blog with his constant complaining.But then you said that so I shall leave off and tell you I am in total agreement .
Georgine,
Well stated, and I raise my hand in support!
Smitty,
Bill: Can you tell me what a dilemia is?
However I know how much wood a woodchuck can chuck-maybe that could help!
Well, I could say it was merely a typo, but why stop with such a mundane reason for an opportunity to expound on the Freudian possibilities?
Consider the co-joining of the words ‘dildo’ and ‘enema’ a state which could possibly, although not assuredly, bring a msile to either John Baird or Stephen Harper?
Likewise, checking the Collins Pocket Reference Dictonary, Canadian Edition, I find it lies between other words of interesting applicability such as:
‘Dilatory’ meaning a delayed Tory, or something of that import.
and
‘Diletantte’ referring to an amateur, which of course brings us back to Baird, Harper, and did I mention Flaherty?
I sincerely hope that helps to alleviate any mis-communication in my prior comment?
BTW, you forgot a proper comma following ‘However.’
Have a great night…I am shortly out of here and off to sleeptime.
I guess from your opening statement, ” I arrived in the lobby, your comments in hand” only to find out that you would not be speaking, just shows how out of touch you are. Most of your stupid comments are not even from your riding. Did you take my comment saying we think Harper is doing a great job.
Your such an ugly looser.
Too bad. Yours was on top. — Garth
Georgine
Man you are right on I lived under a sick man And most people did see that .You never vote for dictator they are sick in the head and dangerous Harper has to go and he Willi hope that canadian see it I love Canada This is a greet country Harper is a sick bird And his min don’t see that and no guts to stand up to him The money they get is more important to them Well money doest buy live
Hey Bill-Muskoka – You are so very unimformed about the issues that matter to Canadians. Your grand liberal support shows your deep lack of inteligence.
Georgine, what do you find offensive exactly??? Point out the post. AS well, where was I vile? Can you point to the post? I must have said something very insulting to make you say that. I await your direct reply to these questions.
As well, why do you think its wrong for me to post a little bit about the happenings in the H of C?
Georgine, according to Garth’s policy, on what basis should I be removed? Where have I insulted others? Where have I compared others to Nazis? Georgine, are you comfortable when others compare conservative type people (notice the small c), to Nazis? If not, why didn’t you scold those who did make such a comparison? Your silence on this is very interesting to note. Why do I have to experience what it is like to live under a Nazi regime? Are you comparing our government to that? Who me attitude? I ask, where have I used insults, even in your post you use them.
You know, just because you’re leftwing, doesn’t mean that all rightwingers are evil as some portray that here. I’m surprised that you would support Jackie Chan’s left hand, upon re-reading your post, I now see that yes, you do support insults against others. I’m very sorry to read that.
Elias, I ask again, and I don’t know why you can’t answer, what is a neo-con in your opinion?
As well, I don’t hate women, I just don’t hate democracy. Elias, about Peter Kent being parachuted, that is wrong as well. I don’t believe in parachuting anyone. As well, I disagree with Mr. Kent’s politics and would not vote for him.
The thing is Elias, I’ve never heard you disagree with any Libs parachuting candidates.
Now, where do you see any hatred towards women? I’ve clearly stated that I don’t believe in parachuting candidates, I believe in democracy, let the voters decide on whom to be a candidate and MP.
Sean
Sad, that the member tried to explain it away.
Apparently you are so busy critiquing this blog for ‘unsavory’ comments that you did not hear both the admittion and apology in QP today following the Speaker’s decision by the Hon. MP from Winnipeg-Centre?
By Bill-Muskoka on 04.17.07 4:19 pm
Bill, the point of my post and I stated it clearly was that he was trying to justify his use of those words. As to his apology, he didn’t apologize until ordered by the speaker. I’m sorry but anyone who has to be told when to apologize, isn’t sorry for what they’ve said. That goes for any walk of life.
Hogan likes to ignore the “protectionism†of nominees the CPC participates in. Democracy?????
By slg on 04.17.07 3:24 pm
Um, do you ignore when the Libs do it? I’ve never seen you comment on it, but does that mean I can assume the same thing? I don’t think so, why do you apply one standard to me and not the same to yourself?
It does appear from what you have said that having more women in Parliament would be undemocratic. That does appear to be a widely held view among new Conservatives because they are opposed to any measures that might help women achieve public office. They even rejected a party women’s organization designed to assist women to fight the attitude suggested above. After being involved in an internal party support group I understand how central they in providing support for women within the party.
By C. B. Innes on 04.17.07 4:34 pm
Actually no, I assumed we all know what Mr. Dion is referring. And that is him parachuting candidates and calling it democratic. As a matter of fact, women should feel insulted by this because it demonstrates that Dion believes that voters reject women based on their gender and that women can’t earn it just like every other person can. I don’t vote based on gender, I base my vote on the candidate and party policy. C. B. Innes, shouldn’t all people fall under the same rules and regulations? As well, what is wrong with the people voting in whom they choose? If you were running for candidacy for so and so party, and then were told that sorry, you can’t because we’re putting in someone else because of gender, wouldn’t you be upset? I would. Wouldn’t you rather have an honest election held for the candidacy and live with the will of the outcome of the vote? I would. And that’s my point. Sorry if I wasn’t clearer earlier.
Your such an ugly looser.
Too bad. Yours was on top. — Garth
By Al on 04.18.07 7:52 am
Looser. And you are an illiterate slob with no redeeming social value whatsoever.
Beat it.
I noticed that when confronted with questions of proof of Georgine’s accusations, there’s been no reply. That’s proof enough for me.