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May 3rd, 2007 | Canadian Politics
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Shane Doan should be severely punished.
He must be forced to sit through a full 3-hour debate on concurrence in any old Committee Report.
And —->>
He will only be allowed to have access to the French translation.
Bad. Bad. Shane. Doan.
Mr. Dion can apologize to Mr. Doan while he’s still on his knees after he apologizes to Mr. Hillier.
I’ll tell ya what, I will make Dion a nice set of knee pads, complete with soft fabric and frills…he’s gonna need ‘em. L
Nice going Garth, I think if Stephanie Dion becomes the next PM of Canada, he ought to appoint Ken Dryken as the minister of Sport: he’d never allow the government to do someone as stupid as politicize hockey, after all, Ken Dryken as the goalie of the Toronto Maple Leafs!
Do you support Mr. Coderre’s lawsuit against Shane Doan? He is a prominent member of the Liberal Party, after all?
No. — Garth
Awesome Garth, thanks for the link.
It will be interesting to see what this conservative-led, Official Languages committee decides.
Seeing as the Conservatives hold the balance of power on the committee, I know they will rule that this is a complete waste of time and turn their focus to more pressing issues.
Waiting …
-R
I am sure that this committee has better things to do with the money I provide them. If this is the best use of time and effort for the members of this committee, maybe they can be better utilized picking garbage up around federal government buildings in Ottawa. Sorry this whole thing really pisses me off
Seems that by creating all this turmoil, it is only reinforcing unproven statement that Mr. Doan apparently said.
You know on the schoolground how everyone gathers round and yells fight, fight, fight.
You just found the digital equivilent.
Mp’s _should_ have better things to do than even know this guy’s name.
Good job on the link, Garth. And doubly so on the straight answer re; Denis Coderre.
When your party purges itself of the likes of Coderre they will truly have turned their fortunes around. But not before, I’m afraid.
So silly it deserves no comment. Garth, tell them to be about the business government is charged with.
So silly it deserves no comment.
Then don’t make one, you self-important twit.
How the politicians use and abuse the power we lend to them is the single most important issue in any democracy. If you don’t see the importance of it, then by all means, stick to the things you do understand. Whatever they might be…
Stop being an insufferable, morally superior, pontificator. — Garth
I`m an outcast in my own home province, Quebec. All because I was raised out west and speak the french taught out here. It`s not even the same language they speak in Quebec. On my first attempt to speak french to my mother she finally admitted she was having a difficult time understanding me. As me french teacher spoke highly of my pronunciation I was shocked to hear I was learning Parisian french, not the french spoken in Quebec, not even the french taught in Quebec schools.
We have two official languages in Canada, English and Parisian french, neither of which is taught in Quebec let alone spoken. Go figure.
Stop being an insufferable, morally superior, pontificator. – Garth
Why? Isn’t that why we all come here?
I’m serious about this issue. Not because I’m a big fan of Shane Doan (I’m a Sens fan) but because I hate seeing anyone abused by the government. You should have seen me when I found out what your party did to Francois Beaudoin.
Ah, Ken Dryden played for Montreal so would understand the issue and he’s not comfortable with parliament being involved. He said so in an interview. He said racial remarks are unacceptable, but it is the hockey association that should deal with it.
Don Cherry should be on the carpet – not this kid playing hockey. Whatever remarks may or may not have been made were between him and the other guys – not all of Canada.
Don Cherry is a public person who’s heard all over Canada and yet he’s gotten away with it.
I think the attack has gone in the wrong direction.
Leasa: Dion doesn’t need to apologize to Hillier. Hillier is becoming too political and should shut up and do his work – enough already. I have questions and I’m not going to apologize to Hillier.
I am a Liberal, but I really think Coderre should slow down here. He’s looking like a fool.
Duceppe is just trying to rev up the separatists and Quebecers.
LG – “When your party purges itself of the likes of Coderre they will truly have turned their fortunes around. But not before, I’m afraid.”
and they can spend that good fortune at their next meeting, in a phone booth.
Has anyone called you a dork yet today? — Garth
Geo, Judy,
On the good news front the BC government will cancel drivers licenses to any non-custodial parent owning more than $3,000 in child support.
According to an MLA there are 60,000 single mothers with 100,000 children on welfare in BC.
The government currently collect $160m in child support payment that benefit 75,000 children experiencing hardship. I don`t understand how it could benefit the 75,000 children as the government collects and keeps the $160m, the kids never see a dime out of it.
So if your a dead broke dad without a job in BC now you won`t even be able to go out and look for one. This should prove very effective in reducing the numbers of fathers actively involved with their children. Nothing like not having a DL on top of being broke to curb those instincts to be a father.
If you`re wondering why the BC gov. can lie about where the $160m goes (gov. coffers, not the children) the opposition believes children don`t need fathers so they don`t raise the issue of lies and deceit.
Geo, did you notice when you said things are not going to change I didn`t disagree with you. It`s something I`ve said before, things won`t change until financial circumstances change them.
Will taxpayers be refunded for this unnecessary fiasco?
Even if Shane Doan did say something which he was exonerated by the NHL already when did Quebecers become one race. How is what he might have said racist as Quebecers cross all races of people. Before I get flamed for my opinion I am a born but not raised frog myself.
Of all the small-minded drivel conjured up in the name of two official languages, this ranks near the top.
Tens of thousands of western Canadians have continued to battle ignorance and politicians for years in an ongoing effort to spread the use of the French language in the west. And now we get Quebec hillbillies fueling the dying embers of the western hillbillies? What the G…s the matter with you people?
I’ll tell ya what, I will make Dion a nice set of knee pads, complete with soft fabric and frills…he’s gonna need ‘em. L
By Leasa on 05.03.07 11:40 am
I guess you sent Harper his…after all, would go nicely with his make up…LMAO
Two solitudes, and never the twain shall meet.
Meaning:
Two things which are so different as to have no opportunity to unite.
Origin
Twain derives from the Old English twegen, meaning two. The phrase never the twain shall meet was used by Rudyard Kipling, in his Barrack-room ballads, 1892:
“Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.”
Leasa: As ALL parties agreed to the inquiry, I suppose you requested an extra set of knee pads for Mr. Harper?
KPK: Perhaps we should also be refunded for the hours and hours of work that the all party committee spent on re-writing C-30?? The bill was re-written, agreed to by Mr. Harper, and now he won’t even look at it or bring it to the house for debate??
He knew all along he would never endorse a bill that corrected his parties errors–instead he cost us tons and tons of money and manpower on committee meetings, witnesses and reports.
Perhaps the Con party should reimburse us for this flagrant misuse of tax dollars.
I wonder of the so-called “slur” had been against a citizen from Israel if the same people would be rooting for the purported conveyor of the “slur”?
To be honest, at first, I thought the Conservatives were equally culpable on this “issue” because they voted in favour of the hearing. My bad. We fell for it.
Of course they wanted this hearing today: now all anyone can talk about is how stupid the Liberals, the NDP and the Bloc are and how their priorities and what they think is important are screwed up.
At least, unlike Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe, Dion can claim he hasn’t personally wondered whether the Government of Canada should be picking and choosing who should be captain of a hockey team. As a result, he doesn’t look as feeble-minded as those two do. But Marcel Proulx needs to be reigned in on this. It is one thing to speak your mind, even on an issue that is almost 2 years old, but to now force others to come to Ottawa, to use taxpayer money to raise the issue, to force others onto your agenda, is something else. Do not let him speak further on this issue.
We just let a silly non-issue hijack an important debate that was highlighting the vindictiveness and incompetence of the government so you could highlight our own pettiness. For two weeks, we were in the House of Commons fighting for values Canadians believe and the Conservatives were showing themselves on the other side of those values.
Today, we threw that away and allowed the Conservatives to re-connect with the ordinary Canadian.
Move on!
More rant.
Ted
Cerberus
Thanks for the link to the petition, Garth.
I sent an e-mail to my own MP yesterday, expressing my disgust with Parliament’s wasting time and money on this non-issue. I got back from her an automated response, saying that she was too busy to reply at the moment, but that she’d get back to me in a few weeks.
But she’s got time to waste on this crap.
I wonder of the so-called “slur†had been against a citizen from Israel if the same people would be rooting for the purported conveyor of the “slur�
By Judy on 05.03.07 2:37 pm
Answer, no, Harper would instantly read terrorist drivel from the jdl and bnaibrith, charge the guy with an ‘I hate jews’ crime and attempt to deport him, no, we aren’t occupied.
Judy & WD
If an unsupported allegation is as good as a conviction in your world, then what should we make of your attempts to blame the Jews for an incident in a hockey game? Even Ernst Zundel got a trial.
Awesome comment, Ted.
Unfortunately, this is a perfect example of how inept some of our politicians are at recognizing political traps so they can sidestep them. OR it’s an example of how desperate some politicians are at getting votes (which leads to strategic blindness, to be sure).
The Conservatives jumped on this issue and turned it into a way to “[re]connect with the ordinary Canadian” so quickly it was truly impressive. Only a savvy politician or politician’s aid could have foreseen this potential fallout, yesterday morning.
-R
Shane Doan is a man of principle, integtity and high moral values and a great hocky player as well. I wish we could say the same thing about certain members of Parliament including Jack Layton and that intellectual midget from Quebec who occassionally wears a hair net and wants to destroy this great country.
Canada is great more so because we produce the likes of Shane Doan. He is a person “all” Canadians can be proud off. He said that he did not utter the remarks that he is accused of and other people of integrity attest to that fact. That he has to put up with this nonsense from a bunch of gutter snipes diminishes all Canadians and makes us look like morons.
Go figure it out….Shane Doan gives his all for Canada….lets treat him like the unblemished hero that he is and heap scorn on his adverseries and treat them like the scum that they are.
Thank you Garth for posting the link to the petition.
It just sickens me that these “honourable” men seek to divide the languages. Shane was cleared! His teammates know him better than that bunch of zeolots on the language committe. Period.
And especially those rabid dogs Duceppe and Coderre could go flick themselves!
What I find amazing is how stupid everyone thinks this issue is, and then takes sides on it…have a great 2 weeks….gone!
To the politicians that have made a mountain out of a mole hill…get a life.
The guy, reportedly, called into question the bias of 4 French referees in Montreal. What does that say! That Quebecers are passionate about their team.
Thats like saying Toronto playing at home, and all 4 refs are from the GTA.
It has nothing to do with language, but on percieved conflicts when the refs. come from the same place as the team. They just happen to speak French.
And good for the Team Canada telling the committee they’re mad as hell. I thought these organisation were supposed to be arms length!
You know Garth after visiting your link to leave my comment on Doan.I checked some other blogs.Conclusion:
If as many people went after the government over high taxes,broken promises,the madness of question period,high gas prices,global warming,afghanistan,health care and some really serious issues as went after them about Shane Doan we the voters would be making splendid progress.I,m convinced of it.
A colossal waste of time – time to set some priorities in the House of Commons. Honest questions are asked to get to the bottom of real problems that affect Canadians here and abroad – and now all the news is about an alleged comment made two years ago. Come on…get to work!
larry partner, go home!
Michael, Doan is a born again christian first, and hockey player second, he made a racial slur and his career is over, as so many others, ‘mediated’ for their ‘un Canadian’ remarks.
I noticed you called “LG” a dork.
I am truly offended. I am a dork. And I think when you make fun of people like me you hurt many other dorks. I am very tempted to file a lawsuit against you. I sincerely hope you never decide to try out as captain for Team Canada because then the s—t will really hit the fan.
I do think you owe me and my fellow dorks an apology.
I think Brian Murphy, Liberal MP, Moncton said it right.
Shane Doan “is innocent until proven guilty”. We have laws in this country. Doan has not been proven guilty and should not be subject to this nonsense.
By the way, just because he’s a born again Christian doesn’t mean he isn’t human. I think of what gay people have gone through with this group.
much to do about nothing…in baseball there are close calls and too close to be called but you call em as YOU see em, ignore the catcalls and insults and keep on trucking…..referees and linesmen take note. If politicans can’t stand on principle, they stand for nothing….if they lack good judgement and fairness and don’t have the courage of their convections then they are as Mr. Trudeau called them, “nobodies.”
on the topic of knee pads I’m sure Mr Scott “Beer and Popcorn” Brison has more then a few extra pair to go around… sorry, I know it’s a low blow but Political correctness is better described as political cowardice
Interesting:
“Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas, a journalistic thorn in the side of President George W. Bush, is in Ottawa today to mark Press Freedom Day, and she’ll be warning Canadians to resist getting dragged down to this level of political debate.
“It’s déjà vu all over again,” Thomas said of the Conservatives’ attacks on their critics, explaining that it’s a standard Bush technique to question the patriotism or values of his detractors. “I wouldn’t think that would happen in Canada,” she said in an interview yesterday.
Thomas, 86, a columnist for the Hearst newspaper syndicate, said she is also going to urge the Canadian media today to keep asking pointed questions of Harper, who has been entering and exiting the Commons through a back door for more than a week now, avoiding cameras and reporters.”
You would thing our government would congratulate and acknowledge this day as freedom of the press is part of our democracy. He does believe in democracy doesn’t he? Just wondered, because he hides, pouts and throws hissy fits at our media.
Why don’t you begin with your own caucus. It’s a bit rich that a man seated with M Coderre should start with crocodile tears on this one. Garth: YOU ARE an MP. YOU ARE in caucus with some of the irresponsible fools who think that harassing private citizens for their exercise of free speech is the proper use of the authority of the House. Why don’t you begin by trying to convince some of your colleagues to issue and apology? Don’t get me wrong–every party, all sides, all MPs are tainted by this one, but it’s bit much to have you play at disgruntled Everyman when you sit with the people who think it’s kosher to vilify a man who has eight times volunteered his talents for his country.
Apart from that, the petition itself is a great idea. I would further encourage everyone to contact their MPs and the members of the House Standing Committee on Official Languages.
Don’t lecture me. I have made it clear here this week I want nothing to do with the Shane Doan inquisition. I have said I do not support it, nor those who started it. It is stupid, pointless and divisive. So I’m not taking lessons from you on anything. I have been doing my work, pushing my own issues and representing my voters. I am not Denis Coderre’s keeper. Get used to it. — Garth
sux,
Gordo Campbell is a convicted drunk driver, a felon. He is also a prick. He is no more a Premier than Harpo is a PM. What he does no longer surprises me. He plays to his base and hurts those who needs help the most. Watch him as the Olympics come closer. Social Credit twit he is.
Gordo Campbell is a convicted drunk driver
By Georgine on 05.03.07 7:19 pm
I`m sure there are plenty of beefs to aim at Campbell but I doubt if he even knows the more child support the higher the youth problem. Wally Oppal is behind this and the justice industries need for more lone parent children, the feed stock of youth crime. BC already collects the second highest amount of child support and has the highest youth problems, how greedy can the lawyers get?
Still I though you and Judy would be happy with this move to eliminate a few more fathers, surprise, surprise.
I`m an outcast in my own home province, Quebec. All because I was raised out west and speak the french taught out here. It`s not even the same language they speak in Quebec. On my first attempt to speak french to my mother she finally admitted she was having a difficult time understanding me. As me french teacher spoke highly of my pronunciation I was shocked to hear I was learning Parisian french, not the french spoken in Quebec, not even the french taught in Quebec schools.
We have two official languages in Canada, English and Parisian french, neither of which is taught in Quebec let alone spoken. Go figure.
By get a rope on 05.03.07 12:32 pm
I too learned Parisian French in English schools in Montreal. The more highly educated in Quebec speak a more Parisian type of French. We visit there 1/2 X a year and notice that those less educated speak a ‘joual’ (sp?) – much more difficult to understand for English people who learned ‘Parisian’ French in Quebec. When I worked for the Feds in Ottawa and took immersion French, part of our day was spent learning ‘Joual’. Think its like many old Newfoundlanders and some Maritimers who are hard to understand as they have their own dialect and words for things. Recall when I moves to NS that I could not initially understand my Mother’s cousins. Same goes for old time Lunenbourgers, whose ancestry was German.
KPN
PS K. Murphy – totally agree with your statement.
I do think you owe me and my fellow dorks an apology.
By Bud on 05.03.07 5:31 pm
You want an apology for being a politician? Outstanding Bud, with that kind of arrogance you`ll be on the front row before you know it.
Interesting:
“Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas, a journalistic thorn in the side of President George W. Bush, is in Ottawa today to mark Press Freedom Day, and she’ll be warning Canadians to resist getting dragged down to this level of political debate.
“It’s déjà vu all over again,†Thomas said of the Conservatives’ attacks on their critics, explaining that it’s a standard Bush technique to question the patriotism or values of his detractors. “I wouldn’t think that would happen in Canada,†she said in an interview yesterday.
SLG – always admired her. Recall Bush would only allow those ‘weak’ media types who supported him to ask a question. Seems Harpie tried to do the same thing. As Suzuki said, (paraphrasing here) Harper has his face so up the backside of Bush. In most ways. To me he’s the ultimate slime ball. Thank goodness he wasn’t in power when the bush waged his illegal act of war on Iraq.
KPN
Liberal candidate in Edmonton resigns
JOAN BRYDEN
Canadian Press
May 3, 2007 at 7:33 PM EDT
OTTAWA — A Liberal candidate for the next election resigned Thursday amid mounting controversy over his intemperate views and exaggerated academic credentials.
Farhan Chak offered his resignation after discussions with party officials, said Liberal spokesperson Elizabeth Whiting. The party accepted his resignation, effective immediately.
Mr. Chak was nominated last month to carry the Liberal banner in Edmonton-Millwoods-Beaumont.
Since then, Tory bloggers have had a field day, digging up articles written by Mr. Chak in the past which reveal some impolitic views about Israel, India and Islamic terrorists.
And they’ve revelled in reports that Mr. Chak once faced criminal charges, which were later dropped in what Mr. Chak says was a matter of mistaken identity.
But what appears to have been the last straw for the Liberal party came Thursday when a blogger revealed that Mr. Chak never earned a PhD from the University of Durham in England, as claimed on his website.
Mr. Chak’s website was revised later in the day to explain that he’s completed the course work for his doctoral program but has not yet finished his thesis or received the degree.
Mr. Chak could not be reached Thursday for comment. He has not been shy about advancing his views in the past, however.
In a 2002 letter to the Edmonton Journal, Mr. Chak accused Israel of “terrorism, massacres and savagery†in the occupied territories and the “pillage, the rape and enslavement of an entire populace.â€
In other letters to the newspaper, he accused India of committing “grotesque human rights violations in Kashmir†and of oppressing its citizens, except for those of high caste.
In a 2002 article in an American Islamic journal, Mr. Chak appeared to suggest that the French government and other “foreign co-conspirators†masterminded Algerian massacres and a series of terrorist attacks in France in the mid-1990s as part of a plot to discredit Algerian Islamic fundamentalists.
And in other articles, Mr. Chak variously accused the Conservative party of “exclusiveness, racial superiority, injustice and arrogance†and of “trying to destabilize Poland.â€
Mr. Chak has said his views have evolved and he now believes in choosing his words carefully and reaching out to people, rather than casting blame.
But Conservative MPs have gleefully pounced on his writings to bolster their argument that the Liberal party is anti-Israel and soft on terrorism.
Ottawa MP Pierre Poilievre said Thursday that the Chak affair is further proof that Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion is too weak to take decisive action against extremists in his party. He said Mr. Dion should have immediately fired Mr. Chak when his views became known, rather than wait for pressure to build on the candidate to voluntarily step aside.
“It just shows Stéphane Dion is not a leader,†Mr. Poilievre said.
Garth, Will you put forward a motion to have the House apologize to Mr. Doan.
OK, boys and girls… let’s move on….next topic please !
SLG…. the venerable Ms Thomas is a little late… we have no Free Press here in Canada… only the filtered voices of a select few who can repeat their views ad naseum to an unsophicated public….. I know some of you are going to yawn now, but there has been a lack of substance and truth and vigor in the press regarding the Income Trust taxation fiasco, the lame Budget measures, the continuing lies from government Ministers about Afghan detainees, and the laughable Environment Plans.
The Canadian Press have no cojones !!!!!!
KPK: Perhaps we should also be refunded for the hours and hours of work that the all party committee spent on re-writing C-30??
Sure. All parties should pay taxpayers back for this as well. It was a sham. From Harper’s overture to the Opposition to the opposition parties’ blatant departure from “reality”
Even Jeffery Simpson of the G&M said all the parties are out to lunch on this. BTW he plugged his upcoming book called “Hot Air” which should be out in September. It will contain information on how to build a REAL GHG reduction plan – unlike the Last two governments’.
He is co-wrote it with Professor Mark Jaccard – the man who tore apart the Liberals’ Green Plan.
Hey Garth,
did you check the conservative website. They are accusing you and Dan McTeague of hypocrisy
It goes like this
“Today Liberal MPs like Dan McTeague (Pickering-Scarborough East) and Garth Turner (Halton) are pretending to be suddenly concerned about rising gas prices. Such interest is surprising, given that Liberal Party policy will require gas prices to go significantly HIGHER. In fact, Liberal leader Stephane Dion said that high gas prices are actually good for Canada! So, how do McTeague and Turner explain their obvious hypocrisy? …… ”
Man, they really hate you
They certainly put enough time into it. — Garth
If this is all the House has to occupy itself with – heaven help us. When are the fools that supposedly represent us going to realize that that there are important issues to deal with rather than this stupid posturing.
The behaviour during Question Period makes an NHL game look like a Sunday School picnic. The behaviour is disgusting and the verbal exchanges are barely fit to be shown on television.
They say that a people get the government we deserve – surely we haven’t sunk this low?
Again, why don’t people pay attention – like “Mr. Ed’s” statement about Scott Brison – beer and popcorn
You’ve got the wrong Scott. It was a strategist that said it NOT Scott Brison.
Makes you shake your head when see some silly, uninformed comments. (these people vote?) – frightening.
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I’ll tell ya what, I will make Dion a nice set of knee pads, complete with soft fabric and frills…he’s gonna need ‘em. L
By Leasa on 05.03.07 11:40 am
Typically, Leasa, you completely missed the point. Your memory is pretty bad as well. CPAC showed your favourite ‘Dirty Little Rat’ Poilievre at committee hearings and he was doing almost everything to avoid capture by the cameras.
CPC [formerly C.R.A.P.] voted IN FAVOUR OF the motion, REMEMBER?
THE PEOPLE ARE ANGRY! Oh, Not Again?
Hockey Night in Parliament
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/article/210276#
Shane Doan Pilloried By Parliament Low-Lifes
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/v5/images/newspaper/20070504/cartoon-600.png
Under Globe Forum
An embattled team captain gets some protection
ALLAN MAKI–Friday’s Globe and Mail
Don Singleton from Goose Bay, NL, Canada writes: Of all the sleazy maggot MP’s who hopped on this nauseating bandwagon, the one who disgusts me the most is Jack Layton. He should be shot with a ball of his own sh*t.
Posted 04/05/07 at 8:09 AM EDT
All this proved was that every party was afraid of upsetting the Bloc MP. This shows how out of touch they are with Canadians. Canadians want politicians to have some backbone and in this case, the truth was already out there. Times like these, I wonder if some of them are racist, the Bloc I mean. Even when confronted with the truth, they still attack the English.
I don’t get Con supporters. For years some of the most virulent anti-Quebec rage coming from them and now that Harper has prostrated himself completely in an attempt to buy votes, the Con supporters think it’s all just fine and dandy.
It really is only about getting and retaining power, isn’t it?
As for this witch-hunt against Doan, I am sickened by any and all politicians attempting to gain favour with Quebecers by going after him.
Why not question the Canadian Olympic hockey program for putting a criminal thug like Bertuzzi on the team instead?
Gutlessness is running wild in Ottawa this week.
By Sean P. Hogan on 05.04.07 8:39 am
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2007/05/04/4153112-sun.html
The Conservatives, who voted to call Hockey Canada before the committee, did their best to distance themselves from the controversy.
“What the constituents in my riding are saying is they’d like to put the politicians in the penalty box, so Team Canada can put the puck in the net,†said Ottawa-area Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre. [Cutesy-Wutesy voted IN FAVOUR of bringing 'ockey Canada before the committee ... I think he wears lypstyck, waddayouthink Sean P 'ogan?]
But some constituents in Conservative country and Doan’s home province would not let them off the hook.
Calgary Conservative MP Art Hanger’s constituency office received 12 e-mails and 12 phone calls yesterday morning from constituents criticizing the government for allowing the issue to get to committee. One woman e-mailed saying the Conservatives should stop pandering to Quebec.
“People are lumping the Conservatives and all the parties together,†said Calgary Alderman Ric McIver. “They understand what the Bloc wants, but wonder why would any of the parties agree to play into their hands?â€
Did you ‘play into their hands’ Sean?
15,257 and counting …
@11:13 a.m. in a dory, off port aux basques, dragging a kite with the slogan ABC, an’ that includes Stevie, leader of the metamorphs. Lookit up, takes too long to ‘splain!
Hey, my new RIM RAZZBERRY works fine!
http://www.savedoan.ca/petition.aspx
“I don’t get Con supporters. For years some of the most virulent anti-Quebec rage coming from them and now that Harper has prostrated himself completely in an attempt to buy votes, the Con supporters think it’s all just fine and dandy.”
Sal,
I don’t agree with the placating of Quebec either. When the clear majority of francophones there don’t consider themselves to be Canadian, it suggests to me we should just partition the province up and let them go on their merry way. As a matter of fact, the whole country should be partitioned into 4 distinct countries – the West,Ontario, Quebec & Atlantic Canada. We have absolutely nothing in common and completely different visions of how the country should function.
Pyotr, get some rest, you’re mumbling your words.
Get a Rope, if a noncustodial parent (usually a dad) loses his job or experiences a pay cut, he always has the option to go to Provincial Family Court (which is free) and have the support order changed. The court will never order him to pay more than he is able to bear. 80% of child support orders are in arrears in Canada – I doubt that most of them had lost their jobs. It is about time the government put some teeth to maintenance support orders. Why should the government be responsible? Men usually experience a 40% increase in income after divorce and women experience a 70% decrease. DO THE MATH! Men no longer need a large home. They don’t have to pay for a babysitter everytime they step out the door. Their careers aren’t effected by having children, they haven’t taken time off work to stay at home with the children and make more money. If you look at the Wallerstein studies (a 10 year study on the effects of divorce on children), socioeconomic status was the biggest issue for good adjustment in children plus relationship with the father. If the women received child support the children could stay in the family home, stay in their school and thus maintain friendships, be involved in sports, etc. The reality is that after a divorce women are forced to move into substandard housing, and into a life of poverty. Men after a divorce remarry sooner and marry younger women (the average 10 years younger), go on to have another family and do not feel any responsibility for the children they left behind. I am not saying that that is always the case – there are a few exceptions, but the stats support that scenario.
Doan is a racist. You support nazi too? Its a real shame that Canadian’s support/help racists.
I say let the racist Doan explain himself and appologize. Supporting Doan means you believe him over the referees who say he insulted them. You have to know nothing about sports if you believe athetles over referees.
The reality is that after a divorce women are forced to move into substandard housing, and into a life of poverty.
That’s the nature of divorce though, isn’t it? But do you seriously believe that men don’t experience this as well?
Men after a divorce remarry sooner and marry younger women (the average 10 years younger), go on to have another family and do not feel any responsibility for the children they left behind. I am not saying that that is always the case – there are a few exceptions, but the stats support that scenario.
If men get married afterwards, that’s their choice. There’s nothing preventing a woman from doing the same.
Since you’ve stated that there are stats to prove this, can you link to a credible source?
Doan is a racist. You support nazi too? Its a real shame that Canadian’s support/help racists.
I say let the racist Doan explain himself and appologize. Supporting Doan means you believe him over the referees who say he insulted them. You have to know nothing about sports if you believe athetles over referees.
By Weinberg on 05.04.07 1:05 pm
Something tells me that there’s a straightjacket waiting just for you.
By Elizabeth on 05.04.07 12:50 pm
“Men usually experience a 40% increase in income after divorce and women experience a 70% decrease”
In 1985, Lenore Weitzman, then a sociologist at Harvard, published data showing that men prosper after divorce, while women and children suffer terribly. Weitzman’s report was appalling: Men’s standard of living rose 42 percent after divorce, while women’s declined by 73 percent.
Lenore Weitzman figures were wrong, the result of a mathematical error. Lenore Weitzman later admitted she was wrong. She said a computer analyst had made a mistake — a mistake, in this case, heard around the world.
By Elizabeth on 05.04.07 12:50 pm
Child support does not help the BC government declared 75,000 children. They don`t see a dime of it.
Here`s some more lies that are disproved with the facts.
children don`t need fathers.
child support is the most important thing to a child of divorce.
the courts rule in the best interests of the child.
sole custody is needed to protect children from abusive fathers.
more child support will solve the problem.
universal daycare will solve the problem.
youth crime is under control.
parental alienation syndrome, PAS, is `junk science`.
getting tough on crime will solve the problem.
fathers are the primary abusers of children.
the new/old YOA is working.
divorced parents must get along for shared parenting to work.
(lol, if the got along they wouldn`t have divorced)
and my personel fav, the next election will turn things around.
By Elizabeth on 05.04.07 12:50 pm
“80% of child support orders are in arrears in Canada”
BC collects 80%, Quebec collects 83% and Ontario collects less than 50% but has the least amount of youth crime. Figure it out Liz, the more child support collected the higher the youth crime rate.
Children want, need and are legally entitled to both parent. Child support isn`t working, simply putting a stop to abusing children with sole custody as the report `For the Sake` recommends is what children need.
Well Vic, what the Hell happened?
This infantile travesty of puerile interference by politicians into the affairs of athletes is being noticed — and ridiculed — around the world:
http://krohniskt.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/only-in-canada/
Some of you might want to bring this to the attention of your own MPs. Peter Stoeffer has already apologized to his own constituents, according to the radio news this morning.
I think all the people of Canada deserve apologies from their MPs. I think Shane Doan deserves an official apology from the government. And I think that the verminous weasel who started all this crap needs to apologize — in both official languages, not only for his own racist slurs, but for wasting the time and money of the taxpayers of this country!
Read Dr. Judith Wallerstein The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce: a 25 year landmark study. The latest research indicates that when couples have joint custody, the fathers are more likely to be consistent with child support payment. Shared physical custody which currently is popular because mothers generally work full-time. Solo parenting becomes quite difficult for a mother with a demanding full-time job, especially one with overtime or a commute. Couples whose pre-separation lives were already stretched thin, find they must cooperate and juggle time to manage the childcare needs of their children. Children in joint custody benefit materially, as child support is paid fully 75% of the time, compared to 46% in solo custody arrangements. Children in joint custody arrangements see both parents weekly, but only 1 in 10 children of primary custody agreements see their non-custodial parent that often. Expenses are greater in maintaining 2 full residences and if there are unresolved marital issues, conflict can be heightened and have negative impact on the children if the couple are immature and combative and express this through their children. There are no “winners”. The losers are often the children!.
By Elizabeth
Where did you get this crap from?
“the couple are immature and combative and express this through their children”
My ex used to slap my children to the ground when they asked to see me. They reported this twice to the police who did nothing but return them so they could be punished for telling. The next time it happened they said they didn`t trust the police so I suggested the Ministry of Women with Children. They hid the report from the police because they knew a third instance would require action. When they didn`t help the children my son was so upset he just sat in school for a month without doing any work. A teacher picked him up and shook him so hard he had a headache for days. The second time this teacher did this I asked him if he reported it. He said quote “No, nobody will do anything about it anyway”.
I want some answers from Toews why my children can`t trust authority to protect them from abuse and we`ve all heard enough of your lies.
I want to know why they were not protected. I want to know why they had to grow up without their father.
Did I hear Global TV right when they said property crime in Vancouver shot up 18% last year leading to the largest police auction yet? We were already in 1st place on the continent, soon we`ll have the distinction have the global highest property crime rate.
To think 80% of crime is committed by children of lone parent families and we have yet to get to the highest sole custody rate children in Cdn history. Most still are preteen but they will all be on the street soon.
I suspect from my last post the reader might think I have an `it`s all about me syndrome`. It`s all about the lies such as most fathers abandon their children. Do you know how this `scientific information` was gathered to make this claim? lol, they only interviewed the custodial moms.
We`ll it`s not just about me, here`s an article from 2002. Note that even without national media coverage 1000 people signed up in just 2 weeks for a class action suit over guess what,,,,,sole custody…..
There are tens of thousands of us blogging daily that want answers now. How long do you think it`ll be before the hundreds of thousands of crime victims in just Vancouver alone want answers as well.
Liz, better break out the new lie sheet because we`ve exposed the old ones.
NATIONAL POST
April 29, 2002
“Justice Minister ready to drop custody reform”
Cauchon ‘not convinced’: Government blasted as ‘incapable of making a
decision’
Blaine Collins, president of the Saskatchewan branch of the National Shared Parenting Association, said in February more than 1,000 people had been recruited to launch a class-action lawsuit against the government in anticipation of the Liberals reneging on a promise to change custody and access laws.
Over 1,000 people have signed up in two weeks for a class-action.
BC Fathers is off to court for two weeks, suing author Pierrette Bouchard and the publisher (Government of Canada/Status of Women Canada) for defamation.
BC Supreme Court,
Courtenay Street
Victoria BC.
Trial commences Monday April 23, 2007
http://www.fathers.bc.ca/index.htm
Garth,
Would you present or table this petition to the house if you were asked to do so?
Sure. — Garth
“Garth,
“Would you present or table this petition to the house if you were asked to do so?
“Sure. — Garth”
Okay, then…let’s make this an official request.
Garth, will you please present this petition to the House of Commons at your soonest opportunity?
Okay, what petition? — Garth
Whoo…not enough caffiene this morning, Garth? C’mon…wakey wakey…atta boy…you can do it…lol.
I was referring to the petition that is the subject of this post. The petition that was mentioned immediately above my last comment.
http://www.savedoan.ca/default.aspx
That petition.
Get a Rope, I wondered if you had “issues” around child custody – no wonder you are bitter and angry. You should go into therapy!
Crime in Vancouver isn’t committed by the children of single parents – it’s an addiction problem that is causing property crime.