Two days ago the guy who toils very long hours to get MPtv content out the door and into cyberspace, Bruce Sutherland, scored a well-deserved mention in the Hill Times newspaper. This publication is an inside-the-beltway weekly that, like most things in Ottawa, is considered important.
The daily video we shoot and post is, as you may know, unique. I am the only MP doing this, and the purpose is to try and open more windows on our Parliament, and to bring you the stories of Honourable Members of all parties who are indeed trying to make a difference – but often fall far under the radar of the mainstream media.
In any case, nothing – especially mildly good news about what a Liberal MP is up to – is too small a target for a Con attack. Especially from a self-professed party pundit and sock puppet like blogger Stephen Taylor.
He apparently spent copious time trying to find out how many people view MPtv episodes. When asked the same question by the Hill Times, I did not have a good answer, since I never bothered asking that question. Whether the audience is ten people or ten thousand, it would make no difference to my efforts, because over time, 10 does become 10,000.
All I did know for sure was 70,000 downloads of the video done when I was booted from the Conservative caucus had been viewed, so I guestimated we averaged about 20% or 30% of that on a regular basis. On checking with my tech team, I found my estimate was high by at least half, and the fluctuations in viewership are extreme, driven solely by the news environment of the day.
Nonetheless, gobs of people watch and any viewer I have is one more than any other MP. I can live with that.
But Mr. Taylor cannot. He decided to spend all night opening every video file on Google to determine viewership, and came up with dozens to hundreds. So he wrote a blog about it as part of a Conservative campaign to scorch all earth upon which his leader has not tread. Unfortunately, Mr. Taylor’s lack of journalistic training sometimes bites him in the butt, and today he has the deep teeth marks to prove it. While he was able to track page views through one site, he completely missed all download numbers for the videos themselves.
As such, he has failed his blog followers. If they relied on him only for knowledge, then this day they are comfortably superior within their own blinkered world. I believe it’s called the Conservative Party.
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Garth,
Odd, how when some attempt to attack others, they only destroy themselves! How important is experience in the real world?
Well, here are a few examples that come to my mind this beautiful Wednesday morning, the sun shining, and the birds chirping.
Tomorrow being the literal Highlight of the year when the Summer Solstice marks that point at which the sun, our silent but brilliant deliverer of life to planet Earth begins its journey back towards the equator, for yet another cycle has been completed. The days shall grow shorter and shorter until on December 21st, we reach the Winter Solstice, and the days start to lengthen once again.
So, how important is experience in the real world? Here are a few things to avoid.
1. Surgeons who say ‘Oops!’, or walk around with a book titled ‘Surgery Made Easy’ by Dr. I. Cutu.
2. Mechanics who’s tool box only contains a pair of Vise-grips. a large hammer, a crow bar, and invoice pad.
3. Pilots you meet in the airport bar, and discover are your flight’s crew…before your flight.
4. Journalists who look younger than your teenage child, and have yet to master the complex use of a comb, razor, or ball-point pen.
5. Politicians who either smile all the time, or never.
Just a few brief thoughts to share on this potentially glorious morn.
Stephen Taylor is short changing himself. He’s like a hero worshiper who will do anything to serve and please his master (Harper). He doesn’t address the real issues. He avoids anything that may be going on in the CPC party that is negative. He likes to fancy himself equal to a political journalist – does he not realize you have to report warts and all?
Too bad. He’s young and impressionable and is looking rather foolish these days. Perhaps a little maturity in time would change him.
I’d say he’s being used.
In the end – who cares about the numbers anyway? 1 or 50,000 makes no difference to whats happening in the world today.
I have tried to access the videos but with slow dial-up connection it is not possible. That means there may be many like myself who are potential viewers if we had the technology available.
I don’t believe Mr. Taylor has any sort of industry experience in web analytics — so I don’t trust his opinion on MPTV traffic.
There are specific issues around the Google Definitions of different metrics, which, unless you were very closely tied to Google in some way, you’d have no way of finding out what any of it *really* means.
slg,
Actually Stephen Taylor has successfully challenged the CBC on a number of stories which they misrepresented in their file footage. They were forced to publicly apologize on the air for those mistakes. So he does do his homework.
I would fully expect him to respond Garth’s posting so stay tuned.
Garth,
I find the obsession the CPC has with you quite amusing.
Keep the videos coming and the blog running. There are many of us out here who truly appreciate what you are doing.
As for Mr Taylor – like every impressionable youth, there will surely come a day when he’ll look in the mirror and ask himself how he could let himself be played for such a fool.
Has Stephen Taylor challenged any other news station? No. He is among those who hate the CBC.
He still avoids negative issues about his master Harper. That’s a fact.
Have you considered one of those little boxes that displays the number of visits to your sight. Such a count would be interesting. It could likely be reset daily, weekly or whenever.
Garth: The individual in question should likely concentrate on Conservative issues of credibility. For instance, there has never been a reasonable explanation from the CPC of why people like Rahim Jaffer’s assistant tried to pass themselves off as Mr. Jaffer in on-air radio interviews. We hear a half-hearted apology to the H of C but it certainly didn’t make me believe that the MP in question was innocent. Ignorant maybe, but that’s about it. Whatever, credibility is not something that the CPC has ever proven themselves to be concerned with. Whether it involves the splitting of the original Conservative party so that Western whiners could suck their thumbs together over their perceived slights from the majority of the populace which happens to live in the centre of the country, the muzzling of Reformers with politically incorrect opinions (and indeed, the entire CPC caucus now because Harper is at least astute enough not to trust any of them), or the selling out of the original Conservative party by a few selfish people trying to create a career for themselves. The CPC is now and likely always will be, a haven for the desperate. This is exactly how Stephen Taylor comes across.
I read your blog just about every day. But I don’t watch your videos. Then again, I don’t have a TV at home so I’m probably not your average audience/reader either.
Gord, is Stephen Taylor the CPC? Is he an MP?
One could easily state the inverse to what you have said, “I find the obsession Garth has with the CPC quite amusing.” If you check Garth’s topics on the CPC probably outnumber Stephen Taylor’s topics about Garth 50 to 1.
I’ve noticed that Garth used the Con instead of con to describe Mr. Taylor. So Garth, is he part of the CPC party?
Since credibility is the complaint of the day, I will once again suggest that you have backtracked from your position in 2006 about the importance of democratic representation in a party system. Check out the sixth paragraph of this article:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060209/emerson_softwood_allegations_060209/20060209
Namely Garth, you are reported as saying “*Anyone who *****crosses***** the floor* ultimately should go back to the people for ratification *and I stick by it*…”
As far as I see it:
1)Yes, you were kicked out of caucus and have an argument to make that as an Indie you didn’t need to go back to your voters
BUT
2)You did CHOOSE to join the Liberals and even had a poll at one of your town hall meetings as to which party you should join (the Liberals coming in last I might add); why did you do the poll if you were going to just ignore it, and frankly, why not poll the entire riding on what party they want representing them in Ottawa while we’re at it?
Actually, I did more than poll every household. I also had a professional poll done. The results were obvious, and guided me in this decision. By the way, I did not cross any floor. I was an indie, and a member of no party when I joined the Liberal caucus. It was not my decision to leave the Conservatives, or did you forget that, along with the guys who threw me out? Man, this is so yesterday.
3)Before you blame the PM for not agreeing to call an by-election when you want it, let’s remember that the law of the land gives him six months. You may disagree with that Garth and that is your right, but the solution isn’t to use Harper as your scapegoat but rather to make a run for his job again!
Get serious. I am not quitting. The Cons would be very happy indeed to have me sidelined, which leads them to write ridiculous posts like this one.
4)Finally, why the personal attacks on the PM on this blog? This question should be considered in light of your goal when first re-elected to make the House more co-operative and less cut-throat.
He deserves it. — Garth
Actually Stephen Taylor has successfully challenged the CBC on a number of stories which they misrepresented in their file footage. They were forced to publicly apologize on the air for those mistakes. So he does do his homework.
I would fully expect him to respond Garth’s posting so stay tuned.
By KPK on 06.20.07 8:53 am
Interesting, but proof please, and something that does not require me going to ST’s site. That does not count.
Geo
SLG, you are right on the money, Mr. Taylor does not do any critique of PM Harper. That’s his choice. I don’t think he hides his partisanship either nor does he state that he is an all-party pundit.
But now to the point of this topic.
While he was able to track page views through one site, he completely missed all download numbers for the videos themselves.
If every page view counts as a download, which may or may not be true, where does Garth get 30,000 downloads a night? If the page views match downloads, he still can’t get that high of a number. As well, Turner stated that Mr. Taylor showed viewership from dozens to hundreds. This is not true, I saw him quote a top ten that included thousands of views.
Has Stephen Taylor challenged any other news station? No. He is among those who hate the CBC.
He still avoids negative issues about his master Harper. That’s a fact.
By slg on 06.20.07 9:26 am
SLG, a simple answer would be that the CBC is taxpayer funded. I’m presuming here that is why he focuses on it. I don’t know if he has or has not focused on other stations.
Undercover staff not spying, says AUB
standard procedure to put undercovers into crowds to gather information, he says
it’s for your own safety, he says
Are we still in a free Canada, Toto?
Toto looks suspiciously at Charles, and makes a note.
Sean P. said: I don’t know if he has or has not focused on other stations.
I think you should go over there and research this.
So Mr. Taylor is preoccupied with your hit numbers?
What—ever…
I’m not telling you something that you probably don’t already know Garth but the fact that you’ve made yourself accessible means a lot to voters.
I challenge Mr. Taylor to find a CONservative, Liberal or Green or NDP MP who maintains a web presence to the degree that Mr.Turner does.
I think you are doing a great job in opening up the parliamentary process to ordinary Canadians. Participation from voters is important.
The only party who seems threatened by this process of open communication with voters seems to be the the Harper Party. I think more and more voters are asking why.
One news item caught my eye this morning which seems to confirm that the Dion Liberals treat their Senators with more respect than the Harper Party treats MPs like Bill Casey (he is a hero, regardless of which side of the Atlantic Accord debate you are on)
I digress.
Here is the story.
Dion allows Grit senators free vote on budget
So it looks like Bill Casey started something after all. Something good. Looks like the unelected Senators will do a better job of representing voters than the elected Harper Party MPs.
Nobody ever agrees 100% with anybody.
So anybody who agrees 100% with Harper is either a lackey or an idiot.
Which is he?
(And for the record, I don’t 100% agree with Garth either, and I’m respectful about why on those points, and nor do I 100% agree with Dion, and same for him, so, I’d argue that I’m certainly not a lackey. As for “Idiot”…well, perhaps the jury is still out on that one.)
Hmmmm! PBS in the States is also PUBLICALLY funded…by the people.
Which would we rather have a centralized funding or Telethons asking for money to fund CBC? I will take the current method any day, and the CBC does an excellent job in most areas.
As to all the Cons who are against publically funding anything I say…Too bad!
Georgine on
Sure..here is one story the CBC apologized for..
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/media080706.htm
Sean P. said: I don’t know if he has or has not focused on other stations.
I think you should go over there and research this.
By Georgine on 06.20.07 10:36 am
No thanks. I’ll let someone else who is interested. But at the same time, it doesn’t really make a difference as I’ve stated that the most likely reason is the CBC is taxpayer funded. They’re the only ones that are.
Which would we rather have a centralized funding or Telethons asking for money to fund CBC?
You’re forgetting a 3rd option, privatizing. As taxpayers, we all have the right to speak out for or against the CBC.
Actually Stephen Taylor has successfully challenged the CBC on a number of stories which they misrepresented in their file footage. They were forced to publicly apologize on the air for those mistakes. So he does do his homework.
I would fully expect him to respond Garth’s posting so stay tuned.
By KPK on 06.20.07 8:53 am
What does it really matter, and who cares? Like Mr. Turner has stated, 1 viewer or 10,000 viewers… doesn’t matter to him.
As to the stats that were found…
I’d like to know if they were unique hits, what pages were looked at, how many of the hits were bots, etc.
Counters on web pages may provide for some eye candy, but they really don’t mean a damned thing. The amount of info you leave when you visit websites might actually shock you. My son and daughter and I run two web based businesses. When you visit our sites, we can even tell you what browser you were using as well as your operating system etc. This is just normal stats collection.
Privacy and anonymity on the net… No such thing.
I believe that one per cent of the visitors to this blog actually bother to post anything .
Is that assumption correct ?
So 10 % of the people view the tapes.
That is still huge .
Counters are available for video views .
‘Free’
If you’re interested let me know and I;ll find one to do the job .
Stephen Taylor knows as much about journalism as I do about quantum physics .
Not much .
Nice try Taylor . Now beetle off to Never,never land where you live with the rest of the lost boys .
TransCanada, I have to disagree with you. It seems that Mr. Taylor was pre-occupied with Turner’s statement that 30,000 view his MPTV every night.
Sure..here is one story the CBC apologized for..
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/media080706.htm
By KPK on 06.20.07 11:17 am
I’ve visited and read the post. Good on Mr. Taylor. I’m not a big fan of the CBC to begin with. Looks like he got them ‘dead to rights’.
I only wonder if Mr. Taylor will hold PMSH and his crew to the same high standards he expects of others. I hope he does, for if not, his credibility will be zilch.
slg,
Actually Stephen Taylor has successfully challenged the CBC on a number of stories which they misrepresented in their file footage. They were forced to publicly apologize on the air for those mistakes. So he does do his homework.
I would fully expect him to respond Garth’s posting so stay tuned.
By KPK on 06.20.07 8:53 am
Prove it or beat it .
Hmmmm! PBS in the States is also PUBLICALLY funded…by the people.
Yes it is. The only difference is that people have a choice whether or not to support PBS. This is a huge difference between the 2.
Georgine on
Sure..here is one story the CBC apologized for..
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/media080706.htm
By KPK on 06.20.07 11:17 am
Complete and utter nonsense the CBC never retracted that story.
In fact they stand by the reporter and the piece .
Nice try there. No cigar .
And the CBC apology..
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/media082406.htm
I am not surprised the CBC could report what they did, it is consistent with Mr. Harper’s character.
I wonder if the famous reporter could look into these:
“Harper accused Liberal MP Marlene Jennings of putting her spouse on the Immigration and Refugee Board and Lucienne Robillard, a former Immigration Minister of installing her husband as well. Deliberately trying to mislead the Canadian public and defame what he perceives the enemy.
In fact, Robillard’s ex-husband, Jacques Lasalle, was appointed to the board in 1990 when Brian Mulroney was prime minister, and Jennings’ husband, Luciano del Negro, joined the board in 1996, before his wife was first elected to the Commons in 1997.”
Oh that’s right, it occurred in the House of Commons where he is protected against smearing people purposely!
Never mind, no point looking them up!
Well I guess being a rookie politician and a technological neophyte, it just never occurred to you that someone might actually try and verify the numbers that you apparently just pulled out of thin air.
Oh, you’re neither a tookie nor a neophyte. Well shouldn’t you have known better. And wouldn’t a simple “mea culpa” have sufficed instead of yet another long rambling blog about how the nasty conservatives love to pick on ME, Me Me.
I only wonder if Mr. Taylor will hold PMSH and his crew to the same high standards he expects of others. I hope he does, for if not, his credibility will be zilch.
By Reg on 06.20.07 11:30 am
I doubt that Reg. He doesn’t do pieces that are damaging to the party as far as I have read. The thing is, all bloggers have a certain point of view. Look at Turner here, since he doesn’t criticize his leader or party, would that mean his credibility is zero with you too? One can certainly put Taylor and Turner in the same basket but at the opposite political spectrum. There are very few bloggers out there who judge all with the same brush. Its who we are. We all have opinions and views. The only thing I can recommend is that you look strictly at facts. If someone states they have 30,000 views a night on MPTV, and someone else uses google to prove that person wrong, who of the 2 is credible?
Oh,sure a piece titled ‘Liberal Bias In the Media ‘
Are you ,really,that obtuse ? You must be kidding ?
Practice your Goebbels like propaganda somewhere else .
This is a ‘free’ speech zone and no neo-con lies(propaganda) will be accepted .
Rage,rage
against the
lying
of
the
right
By KPK on 06.20.07 11:17 am
Thanks for that link. The end result should be a committee review of the reporter, who did the editing, and who approved the final cut for air. Generally, the reporter does the editing.
They are the ones responsible, not the CBC as a whole.
Likewise, the CPC, as a whole, is no more responsible for the actions of Harper, Baird, Van Loan, or any other individual, than the Liberals are for JC, Martin, etc.
To state otherwise is to stereotype and use xenophobia against many fine people.
The one exception is when MP’s, those with the power and privledge to choose to speak remain silent and do not standup for what is ethical and right by Canadian standards…regardless of the party or leader.
Unfortunately, we live in a seven second sound bite world created by the visual media of the day. I could not even begin to list the numerous errors I have witnesed over the decades, most of which were only made worse when an attempt to correct them was made. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Surely it is everyone’s interest that a PUBLICLY funded media organization reports fair and balanced reporting regardless of your political stripe. Another famous example which the CBC apologized for:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=8e6d1713-49c8-4a5c-a536-f237e369d49a
By KPK on 06.20.07 8:53 am
Prove it or beat it .
PROVEN WITHOUT A DOUBT!
This is a huge difference between the 2.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 11:31 am
In your mind I am quite sure it is. What say you about the public funding of the military/industrial complex of the U.S. wherein approximately one half of every federal tax dollar goes towards ‘defense’, while people are hungry, homeless, and without a national healthcare program?
http://tinyurl.com/yqwnpv
“Gotta reach some higher ground”
****NEWS FLASH***
Blast kills 3 Canadian soldiers in southern Afghanistan
Last Updated: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 | 11:20 AM ET
CBC News
A roadside blast killed three Canadian soldiers on patrol Wednesday in southern Afghanistan, bringing Canada’s total number of fallen soldiers in the Afghan mission to 60.
The three soldiers were travelling in an open-top, unarmoured all-terrain vehicle in a supply convoy in the volatile Panjwaii district around 8 a.m. local time when the vehicle was struck by an improvised explosive device, the military said.
“Unfortunately, all three soldiers in the vehicle were killed,” Brig.-Gen. Tim Grant told reporters Wednesday at Kandahar Airfield.
The names of the soldiers are being withheld for now at the request of their families.
Here we go again .
Another sad,sad day for Canada brought to you by the people who love George W.Bush .
Disregard the ST nitpicking .. this is a great Liberal weblog and the forum is invigorating too. Of course it has been improved immeasurably with the neutering of JCLH.
Quantity is important, but it is quality that really counts. Keep up the good work, Garth.
If someone states they have 30,000 views a night on MPTV, and someone else uses google to prove that person wrong, who of the 2 is credible?
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 11:41 am
Depends whether the person doing the stating is credible, is there documentation to back up the statement?
Has it been independently checked?
By KPK on 06.20.07 8:53 am
Prove it or beat it .
PROVEN WITHOUT A DOUBT!
By KPK on 06.20.07 11:44 am
Whaat bu quoting from a neo-con rag ?
You have proven nothing .
I find these lies.propaganda even more offensive than name calling .
Show me where the CBC retracts the story if you want to PROVE your point .
Otherwise this is just more crap from the CRAP party .
Fear is nothing more than the anticipation of pain. Nothing would be more painful to the “Conservative” Party than to hear from the voters of Canada, the ringing words of Oliver Cromwell to the Rump Parliament: In the Name of God, go! As the mountain in labour gave forth a mouse, this New Government (TM) in labour has issued forth trivialities, mundanities, invective, bile and spleen, all in defence of the indefensible. They are afraid of anyone finding out that they haven’t an inkling of a clue.
Stephen Taylor has laboured mightily on behalf of our Naked Emperor, in order to discredit the critics of the NG. (TM)
Mr. Taylor, sir? If your bosses knew what they were doing, wouldn’t we, like, know it? Wouldn’t Canada look better on the international scene? Wouldn’t the Finanace Minister feel confident to share all his figures to justify gutting the IT industry? Wouldn’t caucus confidentiality be UNNECESSARY?
People who know what they’re doing, do it. Can we say as much about this federal government? How much simpler can it be?
Garth, why don’t you hold a Town Hall meeting in Stephen Harper’s riding, and challenge him to show up? Before he is Prime MInisterm, before he is Party Leader, he is the MP for that riding. As such, he should and MUST make himself accessible to the people who put him in his position. No handlers, no hacks, no handouts, just face to face, one on one, meet the people and listen.
On the other hand, he would have to develop certain physiological characteristics, such as guts, spine and gonads, to do such a thing Apologies to Mr. Darwin, evolution really does not work that quickly.
My name is Alex Thomas. Prove me wrong.
Speaking of ‘Credibility’ and ‘Hits’ I see on the CAITI site that John McCallum is heading west to Edmonton for a Town Hall Meeting.
McCallum’s last town hall in Calgary was a ‘hit’.
And Jason Kenney’s Town Hall showed the Harper Party wasn’t ‘credible’ with Income Trust Investors
Maybe Taylor can blog about that.
Oh,sure a piece titled ‘Liberal Bias In the Media ‘
Are you ,really,that obtuse ? You must be kidding ?
Practice your Goebbels like propaganda somewhere else .
This is a ‘free’ speech zone and no neo-con lies(propaganda) will be accepted .
Rage,rage
against the
lying
of
the
right
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 11:42 am
I believe this post has slipped by the censors.
G:
I find it highly offensive to have my intelligence brought into question by those that post deliberate lies and propaganda .
As this is ostensibly a ‘free’ speech zone and free speech must be inclusive of the truth I think you should start deleting posts that are .
A) Untruthful
B) Propaganda in nature
C) Deliberately posted to bait the bear. Both Hogan and KPK are guilty of this .
Time to come to Jesus and create a truthful blog featuring fact and not innuendo .
Oblivious’s posts regarding Mr. Dion would also fall into this category as they are nothing more than vile personal attacks that add zero to the debate .
Everyday he posts drivel about how wonderful the CPC morons are and how dreadful the Liberals are .
It is all wearing a little thin .
At least mention he might like to get some new material and quit banging on the same little tin drum .
Rant concluded .
Bill, there is a huge difference. You see PBS relies on public money, but they don’t demand it, they ask if people would be interested in donating. The CBC demands our money, they don’t ask if people are interested in donating. I can’t believe that anyone would not see the huge difference between the 2.
In regards to your question, and I don’t know why you’re changing the subject and the country, but I’ll bite. In regards to your question, there are many things that governments can cut to help the homeless. I seem to remember the Liberals giving themselves a 20% raise and Chretien a 40% raise. I see tons of money being wasted. I see golden pensions for MPs and so on and so on. Bill, did you know that 90% of Americans have healthcare insurance? I heard that from Star Parker last night on Fox News.
“Well I guess being a rookie politician and a technological neophyte, it just never occurred to you that someone might actually try and verify the numbers that you apparently just pulled out of thin air.”
By marym on 06.20.07 11:40 am
I am not sure if I am reading this correctly marym. Are you saying Hon. Garth Turner is a rookie politician? Maybe if you are you can enlighten us as to how he got the title Honerable having not sit in PMSHs cabinet.
Here we go again .
Another sad,sad day for Canada brought to you by the people who love George W.Bush .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 11:55 am
First, I am so sorry for those families, also very sad for our country, it is only a beginning unfortunately. We are pawns in a game not of our making. If NATO is serious about the mission, then it is time to invade Pakistan, lock stock and barrel. We know where the Taliban and Bib Laden’s boys hide out. If we are going to stay there, it is time to get serious about it. Otherwise we have two choices, stay and get picked off two or three at a time until Afghanistan become a mini Iraq, or give NATO an ultimatum, we go all the way or we go home. I am sick to death of seeing our troop die while the enemy laughs from the hills of sancuary.
Sean: Over 47 million Americans do not have health insurance. Staggering number for such a “rich” country.
And about a third of those are children.
Terrible injustice-the policy only reinforces the idea that the wealthy can by excellent health care and the poor cannot. It puts the value of the “rich” life above the value of the “poor” life.
Is this your philosophy, too?
Time to come to Jesus and create a truthful blog featuring fact and not innuendo .
Oblivious’s posts regarding Mr. Dion would also fall into this category as they are nothing more than vile personal attacks that add zero to the debate .
Everyday he posts drivel about how wonderful the CPC morons are and how dreadful the Liberals are .
It is all wearing a little thin .
At least mention he might like to get some new material and quit banging on the same little tin drum .
Rant concluded .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07
I take extreme umbrance at your accusations … totally fabricated accusations .. you being JCLH incarnate.
I base my comments on Dion backed up by public polling done on Canadians. I don’t think I have said anything about Dion that is untrue. I believe I have quoted him accurately. My opinions flows from the facts.
If you believe there are “CPC morons”, then there certainly must be some “LPOC morons” .. and I dont’ think we have to look far to find at least one .. who rants incessantly.
Oh,sure a piece titled ‘Liberal Bias In the Media ‘
Are you ,really,that obtuse ? You must be kidding ?
Practice your Goebbels like propaganda somewhere else .
This is a ‘free’ speech zone and no neo-con lies(propaganda) will be accepted .
Rage,rage
against the
lying
of
the
right
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 11:42 am
I believe this post has slipped by the censors.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 12:22 pm
Your
Disregard the ST nitpicking .. this is a great Liberal weblog and the forum is invigorating too. Of course it has been improved immeasurably with the neutering of JCLH.
Quantity is important, but it is quality that really counts. Keep up the good work, Garth.
By Observer on 06.20.07 11:57 am
I gotta eat this
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Depends whether the person doing the stating is credible, is there documentation to back up the statement?
Has it been independently checked?
By pjw on 06.20.07 12:05 pm
Here’e the thing PJW, if anyone objects to Mr. Taylor’s numbers, they can refute it. Instead, they don’t, they end up talking about his politics instead. I agree with you that someone should check it out, but will anyone? Will you?
Taylor did what you asked in regards to Garth’s numbers. Now you’re asking someone or anyone to check Taylor’s numbers. Good point, let someone who doesn’t believe that Taylor is correct disprove it.
Oh, you’re neither a tookie nor a neophyte. Well shouldn’t you have known better. And wouldn’t a simple “mea culpa†have sufficed instead of yet another long rambling blog about how the nasty conservatives love to pick on ME, Me Me.
By marym on 06.20.07 11:40 am
Pointless,inane drivel .
I am not sure if I am reading this correctly marym. Are you saying Hon. Garth Turner is a rookie politician? Maybe if you are you can enlighten us as to how he got the title Honerable having not sit in PMSHs cabinet.
By Marc on 06.20.07 12:42 pm
Kim Campbells cabinet as Minister of Revenue . “Hands up !”
G:
I find it highly offensive to have my intelligence brought into question by those that post deliberate lies and propaganda .
As this is ostensibly a ‘free’ speech zone and free speech must be inclusive of the truth I think you should start deleting posts that are .
A) Untruthful
B) Propaganda in nature
C) Deliberately posted to bait the bear. Both Hogan and KPK are guilty of this .
Time to come to Jesus and create a truthful blog featuring fact and not innuendo .
Oblivious’s posts regarding Mr. Dion would also fall into this category as they are nothing more than vile personal attacks that add zero to the debate .
Everyday he posts drivel about how wonderful the CPC morons are and how dreadful the Liberals are .
It is all wearing a little thin .
At least mention he might like to get some new material and quit banging on the same little tin drum .
Rant concluded .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 12:26 pm
So Garth, how many days did it take for someone to violate your rules and for you to not enforce them equally? It took 2 days and now Jackie Chan, aka Scott Reid, aka Hunter Mars is not getting away with it.
TransCanada, why would you ask someone whose blog is to promote the CPC party to denigrate it? That would be like asking you to use the blog that you’re highlighting, to criticize Dion and the Liberal Party. If you’re going to use a standard, use it for all but don’t expect others to hold a higher level while not expecting all the others to do the same.
Here we go again .
Another sad,sad day for Canada brought to you by the people who love George W.Bush .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 11:55 am
So much for censoring and common decency. You forget Scott, who changed the mission and even if the Liberals had won a majority last election, these three young men would have died today in Afghanistan regardless. If Mr. Dion is as genteel as people here say, I would imagine he is furious with your mouth. L
Here’e the thing PJW, if anyone objects to Mr. Taylor’s numbers, they can refute it. Instead, they don’t, they end up talking about his politics instead. I agree with you that someone should check it out, but will anyone? Will you?
Sorry Sean…not the leat bit interested in Mr. Taylor or his numbers. It is enough that he has a definite bias for me…and frankly I don’t care who is right but you asked who one would believe based on the facts, therefore all I am asking is to ascertain the fact before asking that question because if one does know then they are factual are they?
And stop whining to Garth about his censorship, he is doing the best he can, if you think he is bias, just say so and move on, stop playing your little trap games, they too are tiresome.
So Garth, how many days did it take for someone to violate your rules and for you to not enforce them equally? It took 2 days and now Jackie Chan, aka Scott Reid, aka Hunter Mars is not getting away with it.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 1:42 pm
That;s right ‘Patty’ I am not getting away with anything .
This could be one of the reasons the conservatives are intent on dividing Canada and Canadians…
“Whether Canada ends up as one national government or two national governments or several national governments, or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion.
Stephen Harper
Listen Jackie Chan, when you compare people’s posts to Nazi’s, you’ve gone way over the line and Garth needs to take care of this ASAP.
Maybe this expalins why the PM is so willing to hand the countries resources over the the U.S.
“There is a Canadian culture that is in some ways unique to Canada, but I don’t think Canadian culture coincides neatly with borders.”
Stephen Harper
Oblivious :
Listen you are the one who goes on and on about Mr. Dion not being a leader .
Your posts are meaningless in the extreme.
PJW, if you’re not interested in his numbers, then that would mean that you cannot prove him wrong. If Taylor has clearly stated where and how he ascertained his numbers, who are you to say that he is lying? You cannot do so without proving him wrong. When you say a definite bias, wouldn’t Garth fit into that as well and anyone else who posts on here? Come on now. It is beginning to sound like you don’t care because he doesn’t share your political views. If you are wanting to have the facts ascertained, how do you propose on getting them??? But if you don’t care, then why ask the question?
As for playing censor, I do nothing of the kind. Garth stated his rules, not me. I did not trap anyone, Jackie is a big boy, he can post his insults without any provocation and has done so over and over.
If someone states they have 30,000 views a night on MPTV, and someone else uses google to prove that person wrong, who of the 2 is credible?
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 11:41 am
Sean..I alluded to this in a previous post but I am not a total neophyte when it comes to the web and finding hits for a particular page/item on the web.
I would like to see his ‘facts’ as to how many hits/views etc. there are for MPtv.
Just because he ’says’ so, doesn’t make it right.
As to credibility, I do believe that Mr. Turner would win that contest without much of a fight. I can think of only 3 or 4 MP’s in the House that I would state have credibility.
As for Mr. Taylor… while he may think he is being clever, I suspect that those ‘hits’ will actually increase now thanks to the publicity. Remember..as the adage goes…there is no BAD publicity.
S.P. Hogan
You (nad Observer) are beginning to sound just plain whiney. Just telling you what it looks like. By all means keep it up.
Whine, whine, whine. Have a piece of Stilton with it.
Judy, what is your definition of rich? I ask this because of the many other millions who do have health care most likely would not fall into the rich category.
If Mr. Dion is as genteel as people here say, I would imagine he is furious with your mouth. L
Told you before you are not worthy for me to respond to .
A waste of precious time .
Oh, you’re neither a tookie nor a neophyte.
Aaaah! Tookie my friend .’He who wears a toque ‘
Good point, let someone who doesn’t believe that Taylor is correct disprove it.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 1:37 pm
By the way, you would make a good assistant for Mr. Flaherty, instead of proving his case on income trusts, he blacked them out and basically said the same as you did. let them dispove it. Are you Jim Flaherty Sean?
SLG, you are right on the money, Mr. Taylor does not do any critique of PM Harper. That’s his choice. I don’t think he hides his partisanship either nor does he state that he is an all-party pundit.
But now to the point of this topic.
While he was able to track page views through one site, he completely missed all download numbers for the videos themselves.
If every page view counts as a download, which may or may not be true, where does Garth get 30,000 downloads a night? If the page views match downloads, he still can’t get that high of a number. As well, Turner stated that Mr. Taylor showed viewership from dozens to hundreds. This is not true, I saw him quote a top ten that included thousands of views.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 10:17 am
The reason his numbers would be off by so much is because people view the video via Garth’s site. The download of the video from his site from googles archives would not register a ‘hit’ on the ACTUAL google site where it can be viewed from google.com(or their sub video site).
So his numbers would be off substantially. The only way to know for sure would be from google data gathering from within the account, accessed only by the account holder. There, you SHOULD be able to view how many times the video has been accessed (and that access should theoretically be per unique IP).
So I can pretty much assure you that the con man taylor knows not of what he speaks, as his numbers cannot be determined conclusively by outside analysis.
Listen Jackie Chan, when you compare people’s posts to Nazi’s, you’ve gone way over the line and Garth needs to take care of this ASAP.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 2:03 pm
Listen up Patty .
This is Garth’s Blog . Garth Posts what he sees fit to print .
There is no special rule concerning my posts .
If it is for G’s eyes only I slug the top of the post telling him that .
If you think I or anyone intimidates Garth. Think again .
I will not stomach lies and damned lies being bandied about on these boards and I react .
How many times do you have to be told you are not the board censor ?
Disregard the ST nitpicking .. this is a great Liberal weblog and the forum is invigorating too. Of course it has been improved immeasurably with the neutering of JCLH.
Quantity is important, but it is quality that really counts. Keep up the good work, Garth.
By Observer on 06.20.07 11:57 am
Although I do agree with you about Jackie, this post makes me laugh.
You sir have been ‘neutered’ just as much as he was and it gives me great pleasure to see that fact. With you and several of the other over the toppers tamed down significantly, we can all appreciate this blog just that much more.
Thank you Garth!
OMG, I ask a question to marym and get an answer from Hunter Mars! How many handles are you using in one thread? Is Scott Reid going to speak out of pointless,inane drivel that Hunter Mars shouts out?
Ah yes, nothing like ACCESS TO INFORMATION while Harpoon and Bairdo spin, spin, spin.
http://www.greenparty.ca/en/releases/20.06.2007
Anyone who thought it was a good idea to go to Afghanistan, rather than simply bomb it into the stone age from a safe distance, has neglect their history lessons.
The British and Russian, both formidable, learned the hard way that you can’t win there if you’re not prepared to conquer it and convert the society via language and religion to something more in line with what you have at home. Since we have no intention of conquering, militarily or financially, we’re doomed. Culture is too potent a force to win against if you’ve taken genocide off the table.
Get out, let them fight it out amongst themselves until they’ve decided they rather not kill each other anymore and get on with living.
If they decide they want to do bad things to us once they get their act together we turn a Kabul into a parkinglot and tell them next time it will the whole country if they don’t leave us alone. We’re happy to be friends otherwise and more than happy to buy your morphine and smack.
??? But if you don’t care, then why ask the question?
By Sean..
I didn’t ask the question, you did..you asked who would you believe..Thanks Jim
Frank Frink, thanks for your contribution. Its nice to know that you don’t mind Jackie comparing others to Nazis. Take care.
Ah yes, nothing like ACCESS TO INFORMATION while Harpoon and Bairdo spin, spin, spin.
http://www.greenparty.ca/en/releases/20.06.2007
By Captain George on 06.20.07 2:38 pm
Great post…LMAO
Trustworthy……NOT! SHOCKING …YES!
Read on folks…..I just wish the Senate had more testicles to get to the bottom of this fiasco.
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/
Jackie, I am not the board censor, I did not make up the rules here. I only state that Garth is very lax when it comes to your posts. And now you’ve jumped over the line again, and it only took 2 days. And Garth has shown once again, that he does not stick to what he says.
PJW, where do I black anything out? You’re going off on a tangent here. All I said that is if you disbelieve Taylor, prove it. If you’re unwilling to do so, then you really can’t claim he’s wrong. Its that simple.
SJ, I appreciate your point of view. I ask you, do you honestly believe that there are 30,000-40,000 people viewing the MPTV entries each night?
Depends whether the person doing the stating is credible, is there documentation to back up the statement?
Has it been independently checked?
By pjw on 06.20.07 12:05 pm
therefore all I am asking is to ascertain the fact before asking that question because if one does know then they are factual are they?
Actually, here is the proof PJW. Yes, you were asking the question and now you’re denying it.
PJW, where do I black anything out? You’re going off on a tangent here. All I said that is if you disbelieve Taylor, prove it. If you’re unwilling to do so, then you really can’t claim he’s wrong. Its that simple.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 2:51
Simple for you for all your opinions are factual, according to you..you said if I didn’t agree with taylor’s figures, disprove them! And I said to you, you are sounding like the finance minister who blacks out the data on which he makes a claim for his care in ITs and then says to everyone, show me I am wrong with my decision…in other words, disprove it. You have provised no factual evidence for your original question, only that Taylor states they are fact…you are just like Flaherty!
If you’re unwilling to do so, then you really can’t claim he’s wrong. Its that simple.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 2:51 pm
And you can’t prove he is right, it’s that simple!
Actually, here is the proof PJW. Yes, you were asking the question and now you’re denying it.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 2:56 pm
Yes preceeded by your question, my question was part of my answer to you…
so get the proof and ask the question agin this way it will be factual and not based on your opinion that Taylor is right!
Trustworthy……NOT! SHOCKING …YES!
Read on folks…..I just wish the Senate had more testicles to get to the bottom of this fiasco.
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/
By Captain George on 06.20.07 2:48 pm
You mean you caught Flaherty in a lie?
Frank Frink, thanks for your contribution. Its nice to know that you don’t mind Jackie comparing others to Nazis. Take care.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 2:47 pm
And show me where he approved on anyone being called nazi?
Garth,
Nazi references are way,way over the line. You know it, I know it,and hopefully “Hunter Mars” knows it, too.
If you are filtering 90 per cent of his postings, I would suggest you bump it to 99 per cent.
His postings are substantially insults and taunts, and he contributes virtually nothing of worth.
Yeah I know, I’m not the censor, but “Hunter Mars” or whatever name he chooses to use today, tomorrow, or whenever is the worst troglodyte on the blog…
What has Stephen Harper done for us lately?
HARPER LIES:
On Income trusts: Will not tax.
Result: millions lost to Canadians, millions lost through tax leakage.
Elected Senate:
Result: First act…appoint an unelected Minister to the senate
Atlantic Accord:
Result: divides the country
Widow’s benefits: Will do immediately.
Result: over 18 months of nothing done.
Campaigning in the House:
Result: Lies about Liberal appointments
HARPER’S INABILITY TO MANAGE GOVERNMENT
HIGHLIGHTED BY:
LIES OF THE DEFENCE MINISTER – 3 TIMES
BLAMES THE TROOPS FOR THE DEFENCE MINISTER’S LIE
THE LIE OF THE FOREIGN MINISTER
DECEPTION OF THE FINANCE MINISTER
USING AMBROSE AS SCAPEGOAT FOR FAILED ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY
THE CPC MANUAL ON HOW TO DESTROY PARLIAMENTRY COMMITTEES
That our PM…
An absolute deluge of suspicion, hypothesis, and denigration has descended upon all that was the cement of past civilizations, of societies, of our relations one with the other. in today’s media .
Visibly, above all this is an intellectual posture, a kind of abstract ,idealistic vision and obsession. that offes no trace of formatted ,rational thought .
The stakes of this position are not to pronounce oneself in favor of some precise alternative, but only and in priority, to oppose themselves to decisions that are put in practice, so as to later, be able to publicly use the failure as blatant proof that these decisions were not pertinent. nor appropriate .
Much like the neo-rightists blaming all their shortcomings on the Liberal past and so-called inaction on just about every file .
J.Baird , R.AMbrose,J,Prentice are all practiced masters at blaming the other guy politics .
Why such a lack of responsibility in the face of events that impact on the lives of individuals? Because these decisions were not taken under their control and consequently, esteem that it is their duty to make them fail, out of fear of being distanced from the democratic game, even relegated out of the decision centers. This paranoia is not an argument that pleads in favor of their mental stability, also the value of their slightest opinion. Otherwise, how else to explain this capacity to denigrate, insult, slander, when this is not in anyway necessary in any kind of serious debate?
It doesn’t matter to them that their school of thought represents only them and that their ranks diminish regularly
Politicians have become the advertisers of the new millenium selling their brand and vision of democracy to the unwashed masses .
Mouthing easy solutions and platitudes to complex world problems (Climate change,Poverty,Aids etc .)
.Todays hucksters and snake oil salesmen pushing agendas that will soothe,they hope, the general population .Without the population asking any hard questions or demanding solutions to problems that affect their daily lives .
He knows perfectly the difference between consuming a product, because one presents it in an appealing way and subscribing to ideas that involve your existence and that of your relatives, as they are portrayed to you as ideals. There will always be something to make him quickly regain the confidence accorded to those who will compromise their political enterprise with the game of advertising.
Media manipulation and propaganda as a sales tool fo shysters .
BAM! Now shelve the Budget and let it roll!
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=4fc16472-7f02-4974-a8cc-a6b7a9116b24&k=44940
Is there a NO FERRY LIST?
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070620/suspected_terrorist_070620/20070620?hub=TopStories
Ah… seems Hogan just had to have another glass of whine.
Didn’t see anyone called a ‘Nazi’. I saw a reference to ‘using Goebbels-like propaganda’. That’s hardly calling you a Nazi. That only calling you a ‘propangandist’. Propaganda wasn’t and isn’t exclusive to that former German party – see Edward Bernays, Ivy Lee, and Harold Lasswell.
By all means, keep it up. Enjoy your whine. Care for another slice of Stilton?
SJ, I appreciate your point of view. I ask you, do you honestly believe that there are 30,000-40,000 people viewing the MPTV entries each night?
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.20.07 2:54 pm
Actually Garth stated (although slightly blurred) that roughly 10,000 people view each video (70,000*30%/2), not per day, but per video. He also said the numbers fluctuate depending on the news of the day.
So your numbers are off. But yes, I can certainly see 8k-10k people watching each vid. Garth’s blog as become very popular recently and more and more people come back to view it on a regular basis.
Oh my, the ‘Ghan thingy, eh?
Well, better get yourselves upto speed on the latest Threat Levels because our Trusty MoS, Stockwell Day, saw a video tape that proves we are going to be attacked by Taliban, or al qaeda tourorists just as soon as they can figure out how to make their camels walk on water across the Atlantic.
Here they are:
Threat levels Reports indicate that the English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have raised their security level from ‘Miffed’ to ‘Peeved’. Soon, though security levels may be raised yet again to ‘Irritated’ or even ‘A Bit Cross’. Londoners have not been ‘A Bit Cross’ since ‘the blitz’ in 1940 when tea supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorised from Tiresome’ to a ‘Bloody Nuisance.’ The last time the British issued a ‘Bloody Nuisance’ warning level was during the great fire of 1666.
Also, the French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from ‘Run’ to ‘Hide.’ The only two higher levels in France are ‘Surrender’ and Collaborate.’ The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France ’s white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country’s military capability.
It’s not only the English and French that are on a heightened level of alert.
Italy has increased the alert level from ‘Shout Loudly and Excitedly’ to ‘Elaborate Military Posturing. Two more levels remain: ‘Ineffective Combat’ Operations’ and ‘Change Sides.’
The Germans also increased their alert state from ‘Disdainful Arrogance’ to ‘Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.’ They also have two higher levels: ‘Invade a Neighbour’ and ‘Lose.’
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual, and the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .
The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy!
OMG, I ask a question to marym and get an answer from Hunter Mars! How many handles are you using in one thread? Is Scott Reid going to speak out of pointless,inane drivel that Hunter Mars shouts out?
By Marc on 06.20.07 2:31 pm
Suggest,strongly,you get over yourself.
Another meaningless contribution .
Summer reading suggestion for our M.P.’s as they go forward on their Parliamentary break:
Water Inc.
Read it before it goes on the “No -Read” list.
JCLH and his many aliases could well be a Dipper troll trying to wreak havoc between Canadians who want to rationally discuss and debate the issues.
Garth should really take positive action or else his warnings are futile.
Garth, you claim that I lack credibility? My post successfully
DELETED
(Mr. Taylor will get access to real estate here, when I can write a column for Conservative.ca — Garth)
By Hunter Mars on –
CBC apologizes for ‘Harper-heil’ graphic, says it was a bad cut-and-paste job
Can you see the word “apologizes’ in the headline? I don’t know what your beef is. What exactly is an apology in your eyes?
Garth,
Speaking of credibility, could you help us out on the following matter please?
In today’s Muskoka newspapers Huntsville Forester is an article and editorial regarding MP Tony Martin, (NDP Sault Ste. Marie, and his Private Member’s Bill C-451.
Mr. Martin is trying to have the Muskoka removed from Northern Ontario Status under FedNor to feed his riding, and the nine electoral ridings north of the French River, at our expense.
Our MP, Tony Clement has ‘vowed’ to fight the bill. Well, seems to me I smell something and it is not a skunk!
This is pure poltical bunk. The people here struggle to make a living year around, and the little money of assistance we get is direly needed.
Communities like North Bay, Sudbury, Sault Ste. Marie have far more industry and employment than we do in the small Muskoka towns.
Any information you might be able to supply, or conversations with those who are supporting this bill will be greatly appreciated. It has already been through the second reading, and when or if it will be given a thrid reading is unclear.
Thank you for your support.
By Bill-Muskoka on 06.20.07 3:36 pm
Thank you Bill for putting a very big ‘fall off my chair holding my guts’ laughing fit into my day. You’re my hero ’til the sunsets tonight.
Dave.
But the consolation for Liberals is the Million$$$$ of free supportive advertising by the CBC and the rest of the Liberal-controlled MSM … which the AG should also investigate to stop taxpayers dollars from subsidizing the CBC so they can slag Harper, traitorously support the Taliban and put Canadians on an unnecessary Kyoto guilt trip.
Stop the CBC … it’s totally corrupted.
By Observer on 06.20.07 1:15 pm
Garth should really take positive action or else his warnings are futile.
By Observer on 06.20.07 4:01 pm
Are you sure that is what you want?
Eh…just an update in practicing what I preach and actually taking some initiative in doing something:
I put pressure on Toronto’s city council today over the decals.
It took me 15 minutes over lunch to write the mayor, and the instigating councillor over the removal of the decals. Two well-articulated letters, home address and full name included, sent off before the Canadian deaths.
Plus a blog entry on the topic.
And yay. The motion to keep the decals was passed 45-0.
I’d like to think that I had a really small impact today. I probably didn’t, but it is rather nice to see something go my way for a change.
Okay.
Let’s be honest, the Blogging Tories are not going to let this go.
I don’t expect Mr. Turner to care one way or the other, but numbers can be checked and verified. I’m going to write Mr. Turner’s admin and ask.
This matters to someone like Mr. Sutherland, he works hard and he deserves to have correct numbers public.
Admin has the information. And when they pull it, they can pass it on to Mr. Taylor and Jason Chernick or someone at the Liblogs. I can post it at Progressives Canada.
The log numbers can be posted here as a responsible response.
It only takes a spark to start a flame war, and online Steven Taylor’s post will be used to Conservative advantage. That’s human nature.
If a blogging MP isn’t able or willing to provide website traffic numbers, then other numbers become suspect.
That is human nature.
Bruce Sutherland’s work on MPtv deserved a pat on the back, and this is being taken away from him by Steven Taylor who was smart enough to dig up Google pageviews.
Pooh poohing The Hill Times and Steven Taylor isn’t going to make his numbers disappear.
My questions at my blog stands.
Mr. Turner I’m sorry, this post is not an adequate answer, adequate answers can be provided, so I will ask the people who do know.
To The Turner Report Admin. Incoming.:^)
Actually, nobody watches MPtv. But I’ll keep on doing it. You keep on sniping. — Garth
This is a ‘free’ speech zone and no neo-con lies(propaganda) will be accepted .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 11:42 am
Yes, according to this individual(s), “free” speech is only valid if one has the same thoughts and ideologies. Such a sad example of these “progressives”.
Garth should really take positive action or else his warnings are futile.
By Observer on 06.20.07 4:01 pm
Oh, you mean like all your posts are exercises in futility ?
And yay. The motion to keep the decals was passed 45-0.
I’d like to think that I had a really small impact today. I probably didn’t, but it is rather nice to see something go my way for a change.
By LoH_Numa on 06.20.07 4:18 pm
Congrats dude/dudette .
Yes, according to this individual(s), “free†speech is only valid if one has the same thoughts and ideologies. Such a sad example of these “progressivesâ€.
By Catherine on 06.20.07 4:33 pm
Such a sad example of humanity .
Can you see the word “apologizes’ in the headline? I don’t know what your beef is. What exactly is an apology in your eyes?
By KPK on 06.20.07 4:13 pm
That is NOT what we are talking about and you know it .
You provided a link that said no such thing .
Get a grip .
Let’s be honest, the Blogging Tories are not going to let this go.
Bene D…
And who cares, they are preaching to the converted…
Actually, nobody watches MPtv. But I’ll keep on doing it. You keep on sniping. — Garth
By Bene D on 06.20.07 4:28 pm
Next to YouTube it is my favourite vid site .
Don’t pay any attention Garth . They are jealous that you were there first and made a great success out of it .
BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Garth shoots back .
It’s a bullseye !
Link provided by KPK wuth the alleged CBC mea culpa .
http://tinyurl.com/2s589m
No where in the article does it say the CBC regretted anything nor did they apologize .
You have been in the sun far too long KPK . You have sun stroke .
Charges not needed to seize street-racing cars
We will crush your cars, we will crush your parts.
Owwwwwwwwwww!, Toto, we’re not in Canada anymore are we? No charges, no conviction, no racing needed.
Meanwhile, the zeitgeist moves forward:
- Driver stabbed on busy detour around Hwy 400 fatal highway crash.
AUSTIN, Texas – A crowd attacks and kills a passenger in a vehicle that had struck a child.
Milwaukee – a group of teenagers pulls 33 year old man from his car and beats him.
Syracruse – two stabbed at festival of freedom
Here we go again .
Another sad,sad day for Canada brought to you by the people who love George W.Bush .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 11:55 am
On this day of all days you again had to open your dirty mouth and drive your foot down your throat. I could call you many foul names and would be entitled to do just that but I will forgo that at this time.
How do you think the mothers,fathers, brothers,sisters,wives,children feel about losing their loved ones this day and you are making light of it by your post, blaming George Bush? Regardless of who is to blame this is not the time to say so and you should know that. We all know you are Scott Reid and one of the spokespersons for the liberal party. I would think they would give you the boot after that statement today. You have no common decency and should be given the boot by Garth as well.
Actually, nobody watches MPtv. But I’ll keep on doing it. You keep on sniping. — Garth
A hypothetical question for you Garth: It was speculated by some that you joined the Liberal party to survive as an MP, because otherwise MPtv could perish.
You did say that one of the reasons you joined the Liberals was because an independent MP could not survive an election with the limited funding available. Did you join the Liberals to keep MPtv alive?
How do you possibly keep your food down? — Garth
Yeah I know, I’m not the censor, but “Hunter Mars†or whatever name he chooses to use today, tomorrow, or whenever is the worst troglodyte on the blog…
By Ed Brooks on 06.20.07 3:08 pm
And you sir , are a yappy little gargoyle with nothing to say that is relevant to the twenty first century .
WAKE UP!
By David M on 06.20.07 4:13 pm,
You are most welcome. Every day should have some sunshine in it!
hey wait, if he’s a SELF-PROFESSED pundit… what does that make garth turner?
and wouldn’t garth’s deletion notice carry more weight if he was permitted to post on bloggingtories.ca (stephen taylor’s website) as opposed to conservative.ca (not stephen taylor’s website)?
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How do you possibly keep ypur food down? — Garth
By Observer on 06.20.07 5:13 pm
He doesn’t Garth, that explains the verbal di…….
How do you possibly keep your food down? — Garth
By Observer on 06.20.07 5:13 pm
Ummmm! mainly with his foot . Permanently wedged in there .
Could you be any more ludicrous ?
Man you gotta let me call him an idiot for that statement .
HURRY! Seats are limited and the time is running out for this Once in a Lifetime Opportunity!
PLEASE RSVP!
By Bill-Muskoka on 06.20.07 5:44 pm
Too funny Billy . ROTFLMAO just after I had gotten up from reading your alert levels piece .
Thanks bro got coffee all over my damaned key board .
You are on FIRE !
By THE SHADOW KNOWS on 06.20.07 5:13 pm
I understand your concern for the families, I am sure you will express it at some point instead of raging at another’s comment. As I said earlier, Our hearts go out to the families but the mission is one doomed to failure unless we are allowed to invade Pakistan and take out those who are planting these deadly devices. If NATO is serious about this war, they will take it to the enemy, otherwise we may as well come home, unless we want to be picked off day after day. Seems to me that we are at a distinct disadvantage if we provide sanctuary to the enemy and can only engage them when they cross the border. By the way, they don’t come through border entry points, they come in the dark of night. If it continues like it is at the present time, it will become another Iraq. You can see how well the U.S. is doing there.
You are on FIRE !
By Jackie has hands on 06.20.07 5:51 pm
Some days are better than others, eh?
P.S., Sorry about the keyboard…remember to practice Safe Surfing at all times!
And you sir , are a yappy little gargoyle with nothing to say that is relevant to the twenty first century .
WAKE UP!
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 5:14 pm
Now Hunter, Ed is a very fair and balanced contributor, I don’t think you are being fair here!
Let the conservatives continue to delude themselves, listening to opinions or polls that disagree with there ideology is not their strong point. This is one of the reason they can’t get any traction in the polls, long may it continue.
Addendum to Bills Post :
Kool-Aide will be provided ‘free’ throughout the flight .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 5:14 pm
Now Hunter, Ed is a very fair and balanced contributor, I don’t think you are being fair here!
By pjw on 06.20.07 6:04 pm
Started by calling me a troglodyte .
That is uncalled for .
Instant Kharma is a bitch .
By KPK on 06.20.07 4:13 pm
That is NOT what we are talking about and you know it .
You provided a link that said no such thing .
Get a grip .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 4:44 pm
I guess the CBC having a second segment expressing their “regrets” about the piece doesn’t sink in with you. The fact is the CBC didn’t have to SAY ANYTHING if they felt they weren’t in the wrong.
I think this so called Hunter Mars is none other than JCLH..again..I recognize that rudeness and style anywhere. Well Hunter a troll by any other name is a troll..
Hunter ,
I think you missed my other post :
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=8e6d1713-49c8-4a5c-a536-f237e369d49a
Mr. Turner:
I don’t know who watches MPtv, I do from time to time. I enjoy it, MPtv is refreshing, informative and I appreciate Mr. Sutherland’s work.
I’m interested in accurate web stats since the topic has come up and have contacted your website administrator. I believe your staff will respond with integrity.
I’m sorry you think this is sniping.
Personally I hope you keep on doing MPtv, this blog and representing your riding with the refreshing candor so many of us appreciate.
Thank you for your efforts on behalf of Canadian bloggers and readers, my hope is other MP’s will see the value of your efforts and follow suit.
Using Google to track MPtv videos most likely understates actual viewing. What the blog needs is a web site statistics program which will track not just hits but also exit and entry pages. Check with the person who administers your web site; you may already have access to such a program. If not, there are lots of programs available for this. Here’s a link to a free one:
http://www.statcounter.com/
Like, who cares? Do you think I will stop doing this if the audience is small versus large? Sadly you do not understand. Just as I am happy to go to a town and talk to 34 people, I am happy to do this work, regardless of audience size. Do not let a miscreant like Taylor poison a worthwhile effort. We all lose then. — Garth
Harper based his platform on openness and accountability. He failed Canadians.
I have never heard of Stephen Taylor, but I did look up the article about the video links. He seems to have done a great deal of research and I didn’t once think he was ‘attacking’ anyone.
The discrepancy in the numbers is interesting. Is there a middle ground?
Mr. Turner’s audience gets quality reporting. Why bicker over numbers? The question has been asked, just what is the truth? MPTV is wonderful whether 10 or 10,000 see it.
While I am non-partisan, I do read this blog daily. Mr. Graham’s last words ring true here – “I believe that everyone in the house carries within him or her the desire to serve our country. Let us respect one another and in doing so I believe that our fellow countrymen will respect this institution and respect us.”
I actually don’t care how many people watch, and regret giving a flip answer when asked. I have now revised my official audience number down to zero. — Garth
Now Hunter, Ed is a very fair and balanced contributor, I don’t think you are being fair here!
Thanks.
As you are aware, I really want this political blog to work. “Hunter” obviously doesn’t. If eight year olds talked like he writes, they would be sent to their rooms.
Folks, for digital democracy to work, for this site to be meaningful,we really have to get beyond the pathetic meaningless insults and taunts. I don’t care if you are Conservative, Liberal, Green, or NDP, what you write says more about you and your credibility than anyone you are attacking.
The one problem with this blog, is that virtually everyone chooses to remain anonymous, and because of that, they feel free to behave in a manner that, hopefully, they would never behave in public.
You anonymous posters who mouth off with the insults and drivel don’t have the guts to stand behind what you write. How juvenile.
I want to raise the level of debate, others will say I am whining. Frankly, I am not whining; I am trying to encourage you all to grow up and act like intelligent people.
Otherwise, this will become an exercise in futility.
Told you before you are not worthy for me to respond to .
A waste of precious time .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 2:16 pm
uh, Schott, you just did. HA HA HA
Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!
Or should I say;
Earnscliffe! Earnscliffe! Earnscliffe!
Oops, I just let the monster loose! No, really Scott, ya look a little ‘worn’ these days. Not going so good, eh? L
“This is a ‘free’ speech zone and no neo-con lies(propaganda) will be accepted ”
This site and its inhabitants are high comedy. I thank you.
Just as I am happy to go to a town and talk to 34 people, I am happy to do this work, regardless of audience size. Do not let a miscreant like Taylor poison a worthwhile effort. We all lose then. — Garth
By Christine Campbell on 06.20.07 6:36 pm
Actually I agree with Garth on this one. It’s just like writing to the Editor or giving any speech. If you tell 10 people, and they tell 10 people and they tell 10 people…. Sometimes the largest most successful businesses are built on word of mouth. L
Addendum to Bills Post :
Kool-Aide will be provided ‘free’ throughout the flight .
By Hunter Mars on 06.20.07 6:08 pm
Wooooooooooheeee That is gonna cause some seriarse confusion ’cause see, them Rethuglicans use Red for their color and our CPC True Blues use Blue. So will the Koo-Aide be Red, Blue, or Purple Haze?
Man, that could like cause a job action for the Air Farce One Flight Crew, er, attendants, er Stewardesses, you know, the gals in the hot pants and halter tops!
I sure would like to see their faces when they get their first taste of ‘mild’ Texas salsa!
By THE SHADOW KNOWS on 06.20.07 5:13 pm
I understand your concern for the families, I am sure you will express it at some point instead of raging at another’s comment. As I said earlier, Our hearts go out to the families but the mission is one doomed to failure unless we are allowed to invade Pakistan and take out those who are planting these deadly devices. If NATO is serious about this war, they will take it to the enemy, otherwise we may as well come home, unless we want to be picked off day after day. Seems to me that we are at a distinct disadvantage if we provide sanctuary to the enemy and can only engage them when they cross the border. By the way, they don’t come through border entry points, they come in the dark of night. If it continues like it is at the present time, it will become another Iraq. You can see how well the U.S. is doing there.
By pjw on 06.20.07 6:02 pm
PJW….From your comment it appears you agree with Scotts words, well I don’t. I’m outraged that someone on this day in particular would say what Scott said, making a joke of the death of the three soldiers. Those things can be said later if he wants to get a dig in at the Americans and George Bush
Did I say I was in agreement with the war in Afghanistan? No I did not. I’m not in agreement with our men and women being in Afghanistan for any reason. At present they are there at the will of parliament as a part of NATO and we as a nation must support them. It is a very difficult task for these men and women, fighting an enemy that doesn’t wear a uniform, but they are all there by choice. There is no conscription in Canada.
Another strange thing. All you folks that dislike Harper so much also think that anyone that would vote for the Conservative Party also agrees with US government policy. For those that think that way, you are very misguided. Throw all the slurs you like at me about Bush or others it won’t stick. The American people are great people, I just don’t agree with their present government policies.
I do agree with some of your other points though PJW. Democracy has never been a priority in those countries and never will for many reasons.
I am sure this will be popping up all over Conservative election literature:
“Turner misled the Canadian public about Google hits on MPtv!”
Yea.. that’s a winning issue.
As I said at my site, I think Stephen just doesn’t have anything else to write about, and I’ve never seen so much obsessing over a single MP as the Blogging Tories do with Turner.
I think this is much ado about nothing. I also think that your person attacks do nothing to bolster your credibility, Garth.
I am personally happy that you decided to join the LPC. I can think of no better place for a bellicose, self important waste of taxpayer money such as yourself. MPs like you and my personal favorite Canadian embarrassment, Denis Coderre only fuel my absolute aversion to the LPC.
Ireally enjoy MPTV.It is very informative.Need I say anymore.Arrivederci Mr. Taylor.
Started by calling me a troglodyte .
That is uncalled for.
…and 99.9 per cent of your posts are uncalled for. I do it once, and you give me grief. I’ll apologize if you’ll stop.
By Jim on 06.20.07 7:38 pm
Exactly the same way I feel about Harper! The worst part is I voted for the CPC last time…so I have no one to blame but me!
By THE SHADOW KNOWS on 06.20.07 7:13 pm
Just as you never said you agreed with the war, neither did I say I agreed with
Hunter!
Consider!
Afghanistan = Viet Nam
Pakistan = Laos, Cambodia, or North Viet Nam
Iraqi Factions = the Koreas
Civilian deaths far exceed military deaths
George W. Bush (who did not serve in Viet Nam) said ‘This will not be another Viet Nam!
Duck test! Walks? Talks? Looks like?
And the answer would be?
The American people are great people, I just don’t agree with their present government policies.
By THE SHADOW KNOWS on 06.20.07 7:13 pm
Amazing, we agree on something. That was honest, and respected.
Unfortunately, the American people lost control of their government decades ago.
They are not totally to blame, because they are ill-informed by their MSM, treated like cattle, and too drunk on their own government issued Kool-Aide to know the difference, BUT, they are shaking the effects.
Now, the question we must ask of ourselves is…Will we? Will we set aside the angst we have over the JC period, and focus on what is best for Canada for the long term, or just continue basically pissing into the wind?
A serious consideration for serious minds.
Turkey Taylor gets so few hits to his stupid site he is desperate for publicity.
What better way than to attack a highly successful Blog like this one .
You are transparent Taylor .
I believe anything anyone says over what Garth says – anytime, anywhere.
Forget it Brooks. Save your apology for someone who cares .
I can think of no better place for a bellicose, self important waste of taxpayer money such as yourself. MPs like you and my personal favorite Canadian embarrassment, Denis Coderre only fuel my absolute aversion to the LPC.
By Jim on 06.20.07 7:38 pm
So I guess you won’t be voting Liberal in the next landslide election then ?
93′ redux .
Sean: You miss the point of my post. You stated 90%^ of americans have health insurance. I stated that 47 million Americans do not.The inference I was making was that those who can afford to get adequate medical care get it. Those who can’t, don’t.Those who can afford or who have access to funds can buy an organ, jump lines and get first rate medical care–those who don’t, die.
To all you yahoos and yoboh’s criticizing Garth .
When you have done half as much as Garth has done in his short life here on earth then you can have an opinion .
Garth doesn’t need to hear all the BS being shovelled in his direction .
He works tremendously hard for democracy something the majority of you take for granted .
A golden opportunity has been given to all of us to communicate with a living, breathing member of Canada’s Parliament.
And I for one do not take that privilege lightly .
Busy commuting between Halton and Ottawa,writing legislation,responding to letters and emails, arranging meetings,talking to fellow MP’s .
Garth gets precious little ME time and when he does he is monitoring this blog.
You sit there and type in garbage that no one is impressed by and expect the audience to applaud .
How many of you have ever sent Garth a personal email thanking him for his sacrifices to Canada which he does without compensation or complaint .
Suffering all kinds of nasty diatribes and abuse .
Today was especially galling as the numbers of MPtv were called into question by a punk .
Personally I could care less what he does but when he tries to start a bun fight over absolutely nothing my hackles go up,way up .
You think it is the height of hilarity to send abusive,vile posts in Garth’s direction .
He grins and moves on .
Think about that for a second before you launch one of your stupid broadsides in Garth’s direction .
Garth is a personal hero yo me and I would tell him that face to face gives the opportunity .
I am researching ,at the moment, how to get Garth named to the ‘Order Of Canada’
for his outstanding contributions to democracy .
Think about that .
I believe anything anyone says over what Garth says – anytime, anywhere.
By Steve M on 06.20.07 8:45 pm
The moon is made of Green Cheese.
The sky is the breath of a daffodil with hiccups.
The Earth really is Flat!
Aliens made man in a little test tube aboard their Mother Ship!
If you kiss a toad it will turn into a princess.
Finally…a supporter I can count ON!
Thank you Steve M.
Arguing with a troll is like wrestling with a pig. Everyone gets dirty, but the pig loves it.
There’s a lot of happy pigs to-day.
“inside-the-beltway”
I may not live in Ottawa or hang around the corridors of power, but I do know that the ‘in’ crowd in Ottawa uses the term “inside-the-Queenway”. If you hadn’t already, you heard it here first.
Now you know the crowd I hang with. Useless punk sk8rs. — Garth
Garth – do yourself a favor, and stop making yourself look foolish.
Garth
You are way too funny!!
Inside the Beltway Eh? Sounds kinda American to me. Ptooee!
MpTV is a non partisan service that highlights MP’s of every stripe with equality and no editorial bias??? Wha???
Now if I remember correctly you have been called to task by journalists with a track record…Rob Breckenridge and Roy Green come to mind.
Of course you were a victim of attack journalism and in no way deserved the shoddy treatment you were afforded. Some folk are just plain mean.
But I suppose the truth could be called mean at times also.
Go figure.
Syncro
By Harper’s own standards he himself is not fit to judge the fitness of his Minister of Defence, a man in uniform, a person who served his country in the military.
By Harper Party’s own standard, Harper and his followers in Government are not fit to judge freedom of speech (since they have none) let alone Canadian freedoms (since they gave that up to be party to Harper).
This is no surprise. After Canadians have been treated to torqued headlines by bourqe, paid for out of Con supporter’s pockets. What is the most one can expect?
I think give Harper some more rope. Sooner or later he’s going to tip his stool too far. Who will run up to catch him?
We’ll see. Harper Party cons are out for themselves, and a road-kill Harper will prove to be more than they can stomach, even to push his flattened carcass out of the road and into the ditch. Watch, wait and see.
Sean: You miss the point of my post. You stated 90%^ of americans have health insurance. I stated that 47 million Americans do not.The inference I was making was that those who can afford to get adequate medical care get it. Those who can’t, don’t.Those who can afford or who have access to funds can buy an organ, jump lines and get first rate medical care–those who don’t, die.
By Judy on 06.20.07 9:25 pm
And in Canada, Judy, we all die waiting. Or are so rationed, that we might as well die by the time it’s our turn.
Judy, if you are from Ontario, take a look at the Ontario budget. You’ll see that close to 50% of the budget or 45 BILLION is spent on “health care”. We have 12 Million people. That’s close to 4,000$ per person (man, woman, and child). So a family of 4, it costs us, taxpayers, 16,000$ per year. You would think with that much money, we would have faster and the most excellent health care to be found in the world.
You, the anti-americans, keep repeating the falsehood that 47 million americans don’t get health care. For your personal information, in the USA, those who do not have private health care are covered by medic aid. They can see doctors in clinics, receive treatments, and hospital coverage. Even the illegals, still get medical attention and treatment.
There’s a lot of happy pigs to-day.
By Herb on 06.20.07 10:18 pm
And so shall it be, now, and forevermore! LOL
Happy Summer Solstice Herb!
You anonymous posters who mouth off with the insults and drivel don’t have the guts to stand behind what you write. How juvenile.
I want to raise the level of debate, others will say I am whining. Frankly, I am not whining; I am trying to encourage you all to grow up and act like intelligent people.
Amen Mr. Brooks. Thank you for standing up here.
Didn’t see anyone called a ‘Nazi’. I saw a reference to ‘using Goebbels-like propaganda’. That’s hardly calling you a Nazi. That only calling you a ‘propangandist’. Propaganda wasn’t and isn’t exclusive to that former German party – see Edward Bernays, Ivy Lee, and Harold Lasswell.
By all means, keep it up. Enjoy your whine. Care for another slice of Stilton?
By Frank Frink on 06.20.07 3:27 pm
I can’t believe this but I’ll have to respond. Goebbels was a Nazi, and you totally ignore that to serve your own purpose. That’s pathetic.
Oh and another thing Frank Frink, if Jackie was stating it was strictly propoganda, he would have mentioned those people that you mentioned, but guess what? He didn’t. The Nazi inference is very obvious, but you seem to ignore hatred. Fine.
You, the anti-americans, keep repeating the falsehood that 47 million americans don’t get health care. For your personal information, in the USA, those who do not have private health care are covered by medic aid. They can see doctors in clinics, receive treatments, and hospital coverage. Even the illegals, still get medical attention and treatment.
By Catherine on 06.21.07 4:48 am
No Catherine, they are not unless they are on welfare. After they go to Emerg they will be billed for the costs.
Do you have $100,000 to $500,000 you can spare to cover say a heart attack?
Oh, and if you don’t pay immediately, even though you can’t work, then expect the phone to be ringing off the hook by the Collection Agencies.
You simply do not know what of what you speak! If you prefer the American system, please move there and enjoy its benefits.
I am from there…are you Catherine?
Catherine,
can I have some of your Kool-aid before I go see Michael Moore’s “Sicko”?
Same to you, Muskoka. But from here it’s all downhill until 21 December.
Loved some your comments yesterday – flashes of humour and light in the partisan darkness.
Garth, I see the content of your posts is continuing to degenerate.
Once upon a time, I supported you, because you were a breath of fresh air… regardless of what Party you were a part of. I agreed with your premise that we need to kill the party system, and put the power back into the hands of the people. However, you’ve become more partisan now than ever before, and any credibility you once had on the democratic renewal file has been lost.
And that’s a real shame… for all of us.
it’s all downhill until 21 December.
Loved some your comments yesterday – flashes of humour and light in the partisan darkness.
By Herb on 06.21.07 8:29 am
Unless you live in the Southern Hemisphere, eh? LOL
Glad to have brought some light to your day!
There’s a lot of happy pigs to-day.
By Herb on 06.20.07 10:18 pm
And so shall it be, now, and forevermore! LOL
Happy Summer Solstice Herb!
By Bill-Muskoka on 06.21.07 7:23 am
Speaking of PIGs, hope you two have a great Summer.
NOTE: Prior portion of Bill’s post omitted for brevity.
“The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy!”
By Bill-Muskoka on 06.20.07 3:36 pm
—————————————
Bill,
While others are making much ado about nothing on the topic, yours is the only sensible post .
Many thanks for providing a much needed hearty laugh.
Regards
Shadow,
thanks for the accolade and wishes, both returned sincerely.
Does this mean that you are going away for the summer? Don’t know about Muskoka, but I’m going to hang around garth.ca. A summer without politics now would be a summer without sunshine, and I’d miss my neo-Con buddies.
I am from there…are you Catherine?
By Bill-Muskoka on 06.21.07 8:22 am
No, I am a born and raised Canadian. I do have close family members, close friends, colleagues, who reside in USA. I speak with them and their friends. I read their news from across the spectrum. So yeah, I don’t just read somebody’s blog for information.
Bill M. maybe you should ask why there’s a portion of the taxes and insurance premiums that are covering medic aid.
Bill M., btw, I am not a proponent of the USA system. However, I am a proponet of the British system, where they have a cross private/public system. Because, quite frankly our public system is not working and I have personally have witnessed how poor our systems are working. No matter how much the lefties throw out their standard anti-american rhetoric whenever anyone wants to fix our system.
BTW: do you think that there is something very wrong when Ontario forks out 45 BILLION dollars a year for its 12 million residents and yet, there is a huge waiting time between a GP and a specialist visits or when one can’t get a family doctor or when there is months upon months waiting for routine surgery?
Bill:
Just being from America doesn’t make you an expert on their health care system. You are promoting some falsehoods about the American system.
There are indeed over 41 million Americans without insurance. But 1/3 of those can afford insurance, but choose not to. I guess they feel young enough or healthy enough to gamble that they won’t need it just yet. Another 1/3 actually qualify for Government paid insurance, but just haven’t bothered applying for it. And that’s just stupidity on their own part.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance
According to the latest United States Census Bureau figures, approximately 85% of Americans have health insurance. Approximately 60% obtain health insurance through their place of employment or as individuals, and various government agencies provide health insurance to over 29% of Americans. In 2005, there were 41.2 million people in the U.S. (14.2 percent of the population) who were without healthcare insurance for at least part of that year. For many people, however, this does not boil down to a simple question of affordability. Part of this population might include young and healthy individuals with low risk of serious illness who don’t believe that health insurance would be cost-effective. In fact, approximately one-third of these 41.2 million live in households with an income over $50,000, with half of these having an income of over $75,000. Additionally, one third of these 41.2 million are eligible for public health insurance programs but have not signed up for them. People living in the western and southern United States are more likely to be uninsured.
People living in the western and southern United States are more likely to be uninsured.
By Reid on 06.21.07 4:30 pm
And that would because?
Here is a clue…No one is an ‘expert’ on the mess they have down there, especially the government and insurance companies. I never claimed to be.
Speaking of PIGs, hope you two have a great Summer.
By THE SHADOW KNOWS on 06.21.07 12:42 pm
Well, I certainly intend to as I am going to a Pig Roast in about a month! YUM! So, are they shutting down the Death Star for the summer? What about those by-elections, eh?
Because, quite frankly our public system is not working and I have personally have witnessed how poor our systems are working.
Hmmm…and that would be from your personal experience or something you have read? I know of no one who has problems with our healthcare system, and I have not either. I am not saying there are not problems, but I tend to think in personal terms, and I am very satisfied customer.
By Catherine on 06.21.07 4:22 pm
Talk to the hand! After you know first hand what you are talking about ring me up!
[...] office questions, MP Garth Turner responded to Steven Taylor with a post at his blog titled Mr. Credibility. While both Taylor and Turner are vocal in their partisanship, and there is no love lost between [...]
Garth,
Got him! LMAO!
Hmmm…and that would be from your personal experience or something you have read? I know of no one who has problems with our healthcare system, and I have not either. I am not saying there are not problems, but I tend to think in personal terms, and I am very satisfied customer.
By Bill-Muskoka on 06.21.07 7:00 pm
So because you are one of the fortunate winners, there is no problems? Oh. Of course, there’s a Liberal premier in Ontario. To you it doesn’t matter that he is gouging us for that special health tax, while de-listing services. To you it doesn’t matter that people have to wait for hip replacement surgery for over 18 months (reducing oneself to walking with a cane and now impacted the other side – a personal friend who is only 51). To you it doesn’t matter if one has to wait 6 months to visit a urologist (and you don’t get to choose who you want). To it doesn’t matter if one has no family doctor (I was fortunate to find one after a year – but, I know co-workers who are still looking). The list goes on, but, surely, you as an intelligent person would comprehend that currently our public system is a crap shoot.
By Steven Taylor/Garth Turner MPtv – got numbers? at Bene Diction Blogs On on 06.21.07 8:05 pm
So, it boils down to over statement of facts to impress self importance. Nothing new.
Right on the money ChristianConservative. Turner is trying to state that he is unpartisan and only follows the voters but toes the line when his leader commands it. Remember how people loved when Garth criticized his party when he was with the CPC because he seemed to be speaking for the people? Ask him to do this now within the Liberal Party and you will hear nothing but crickets. Does anyone now believe that he wants to kill the party system? He let go of that when he couldn’t organize a takeover within the CPC.
So, it boils down to over statement of facts to impress self importance. Nothing new.
By Catherine on 06.22.07 5:17 am
Well at least Garth is making an effort to bring democracy back to Canada, his explanation seemed reasonable to me in that article but then again I am bais towards Garth. For some reason I seem to be attracted to people of integrity and he is certainly one, not like the proven lying bunch that is running the ranch at the moment..speaking of which, there isn’t a hope in hell that McGuinty will be getting my vote in Ontario, but there is a dilemna there because I cannot in good conscience support faith based schools that Mr. Tory is proposing…otherwise I thimk John Tory is a very good man, but faith based schools will be another divider in the community and I can’t support that division.
Judy, what is your definition of rich? You brought up this topic of US healthcare only being for the rich. Now step up to the plate.
Does anyone now believe that he wants to kill the party system? He let go of that when he couldn’t organize a takeover within the CPC.
By Sean P. Hogan on 06.22.07 10:07 am
Kill the party system, no I think he wants to make it work from the grassroots up, he wants MPs to be able to represent their constituents first…doesn’t seem like such a bad idea to me although I still prefer a government of independents but sometimes we have to wait for good things to happen. Also, can you imagine Harper allowing one of his MPs to carry on this dialogue with his constituents and allowing the opposition supporters to wail away at him and his MP…not a chance and you know it. I will give Mr. Dion credit, he knows what is going on here and he isn’t afraid of it like lying Harper is. Mr. Dion is going to listen to all views, and take the best and leave the rest. I think Garth is doing more for democracy that anyone in Canada. the fact he allows you to voice your opinions here is proof of that.
I will give Mr. Dion credit, he knows what is going on here and he isn’t afraid of it like lying Harper is. Mr. Dion is going to listen to all views, and take the best and leave the rest. I think Garth is doing more for democracy that anyone in Canada. the fact he allows you to voice your opinions here is proof of that.
By pjw on 06.22.07 2:03 pm
Like Commuzi ..???