If you are blessed enough to live in Halton (or close enough to visit), please circle a few dates on the August page of the calendar. I would value your input before Parliament resumes in September, since I think it’s going to be piviotal time.
The latest series of Town Halls has been booked, and, by the time they’re done, Halton constituents will have had 30 of them since the election 18 months ago.
Sunday August 19, 3 pm
Brookville
Nassagaweya Community Centre, Guelph Line
Monday August 20, 7 pm
Burlington
Tansley Woods Library, Itabashi Way
Tuesday August 21, 7 pm
Oakville
Oakville Civic Centre, Trafalgar Road
Wednesday August 22
Political speech, Port Hope, Ontario
Thursday August 23, 7 pm
Milton
Hugh Foster Hall, Brown Street
Saturday August 25, 3 pm
Kilbride
Ella Foote Hall
48 comments ↓
I’d love to find out how many chances people in other constituencies have had…
Thats easy LoH Numa,
None. At least where I live here in a CONservative riding. My Stealth Harper Party MP waved from the Canada Parade. The first confirmation that he actually exists!
Too much of a coward to come out of his office and face voters.
Unfortunately , it would appear that most Cons ridings are the same–my riding of Middlesex-Elgin has been virtually devoid of any public input meetings held by the CONservative MP–as a Progressive Conservative myself , I have found it most embarrassing that the only Town Hall held in our area was done so by Mr Turner.
Thank God someone is listening!!!!
Dr Mike P.
Hello everyone — the following link is not in any way connected with Garth’s Town Halls (wish he would do a series of meetings throughout BC, so the tory trolls would be pummeled at the next election), but it does make interesting reading.
It helps if one takes both sides of a story into account, then forms an opinion based on the good and bad parts of each side.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/2007/07/03/public_doubts_on_global_warming.html
Keep an eye on Elections Canada’s website for fundrasing numbers…should be very telling. The word is that there is no financial wind in Liberal sails…
Dell
Liberals are so angry these days because they don’t have any money….explains all the miserable bloggers on this site.
Dell
Hello, I just noticed that Kilbride was listed in your series of Town Halls meetings… you mean Kilbride, Ontario correct? Because the funny part is there’s also a Kilbride in NL (near St.John’s).
So ya, too bad Loyola Hearn or Norm Doyle don’t have Town Hall meetings!
Thought for today
The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced.
Frank Zappa
My Conservative MP has never held a town hall meeting – hey, but he’ll attend a 90th or 100th birthday. Oh, yes, he does interviews on the local cable station – totally Harper approved responses – yawn.
Greens, The True Conservatives
Keep an eye on Elections Canada’s website for fundrasing numbers…should be very telling. The word is that there is no financial wind in Liberal sails…
Dell
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Keep on watching the polls as they come out. They continue to show that in spite of the windfall in donations to the Conservatives they still can not move up into that majority number. They continue to disappoint the skeptical Canadian Electorate. Harper can not be trusted. No accountability, Honesty and openness in his Government.
” Liberals are so angry these days because they don’t have any money….explains all the miserable bloggers on this site.
Dell
By Dell on 07.04.07 1:38 am ”
I am a thirty year Progressive Conservative supporter who now finds the Liberal party to be more socially progressive & fiscally conservative than the present government –it appears it is time for us old time PCs to step up with some donations to help the cause of the new Red Tories.
Thanks Dell for the heads up.
Dr Mike P.
Bill – I don’t know if you read their platform for the last election, but one of the main reasons I voted Green was BECAUSE of their conservative approach to taxation, while pushing a “green” agenda.
Their (the Green Party’s) problem, is that the name implies some left wing ideological attachment to sacrificing everything for the enviroment.
If their platform for the next election is similiar to their last one, I would vote Green again. They, at least, have fresh ideas, look at things differently, and couldn’t possibly be more inept than the present government. Heck – I think untrained monkeys could run this country better than Harper and his crew of zombies.
I think that it’s especially important for all MP’s to hold town hall meetings, and to have them publicized.
That’s a bear minimum.
I think the provision of public forums, in the form of a comment blog, or in the form of outright comment boards — are really very important too.
I think that aside from the usual flaming, trolling, and in-fighting that happens on them, there’s a lot of interesting insight that can come out of such meetings — in both the online and offline worlds.
I know I value the opinions of many of the posters here, and they really have influenced my opinion on a few topics.
Just because your party forms the government is no excuse for ‘clamming’ up, as though the people spoke through the ballot box, thank you, now we’re going to ignore you.
I think that’s a ridiculous approach.
But whatever. As long as we have leader-centric politics, the sole role of caucus and cabinet will always be to produce a nice eggshell with bubble wrap attitude of ‘protect the prime minister at all costs’. (and that’s my cynical statement for the day.)
As for the money — I’ve heard that a lot of people are more pissed off about the attitude that the party has towards its members and democratic reform, than anything else.
The system just doesn’t seem like it’s designed to engage and excite the Canadian public.
And there’s this inertia, within all parties I think, that’s deliberately against any sort of meaningful, aside from ‘vote with your wallet’, style engagement.
The Liberals, in short, still need to transform. (Pardon the plug.)
Did anybody else just get this email ?
To: All Liberal “Supporters” on Garth’s Blog
From: Stephane Dion
I’ve given up on trying to get 33 % female Liberal candidates.
My new number one priority is to increase the latest dismal LPC fundraising totals. And so I turn to you, mes amis. Believe me, I appreciate all the Harper bashing you do here on my behalf. But talk is cheap. So I beg of you.
Push away those keyboards.
Pull out your checkbooks.
And mail that donation to the LPC aujourd’hui !
Your Glorious Leader
(sarc)
I don’t know if you read their platform for the last election?
By Tim N on 07.04.07 10:09 am
I most certainly did, and that was what got my vote for the Green candidate, as well as the candidate was better qualified, and more willing to get the job done. I was sorry he did not get more of the vote, but when you have a 12 year veteran Liberal challenged by Two-Tier-Tony Clement, the parachute Con, people get real worried, and jump on one side of the line or the other. That is what the two parties count on every election.
I cast my vote on principles and research, and will do the same for the same person in October, and to hell with the FUD of the two main parties. The NDP is a source of ideas, but not leadership in my opinion.
Neither has gotten the job done. Grade D to F.
Think back to the past decades…SSDD, and where are we? Do we have a stable, sustainable economy? Hell no we don’t. We see a ten year cycle of rise and fall…always the same ‘adjustment’, and I, for one, am damn tired of it. The inflation I have seen in my 60 years is beyond assinine…it is INSANE!
No one can budget, and plan for the future with all the illicit profit taking going on. They are a friggin’ joke.
We have a current goobernment that is absolutely worthless. They are living in the past, which any moron can tell them…FAILED! Their failure, and they are determined to repeat the failure come Hell of high water.
The Dippers are upset over every little thing. I read their comments over at MyBlahg, and they have gotten worse. The neo-con websites I will not even waste my time visiting. There are Greens that are basically Loonies as well, but at least Elizabeth May has her head on straight.
My generation, the First and real Boomers have spent our working lives trying to get to the point we can relax, turn the baton over to the next generations, and now we are looking at having to continue to work until we drop dead. ‘I’m mad as Hell and not going to take it anymore’ is the voice that will be heard…loud and clear. They haven’t seen pissed off yet!
When I think back to the repetitive stupidity of all of them I just have to take deep breaths because it is too much.
Hopefully, there will be many Garth’s to choose from in the next fiasco we call an election. Also, Ontario is going to hold a referendum on the way we elect our representatives. I expect the main stream parties to waste millions of fighting it. Let them.
As to the Liberals, Dion is a good leader, intelligent, well spoken despite his accent, and if they would only get Iggy out they would be able to do far better. I cannot for the life of me understand why Iggy is there, unless the Libs have brain dead management as well? We both know, any organization does. I feel for Dion having to sit next to Iggy in QP. Baird would be an improvement. LOL
I really despise Iggy! I know his type, and have no use for him whatsoever.
My philosophy in business, as well as life, is do not compete against the established business or power, but lead to new horizons, keeping the best, and discarding the worst. That is the ultimate progressive thinking. There are more than ample opportunities to do so in both business and life. Do it better, smarter, more efficiently, and meet the needs of the market and life. Always remember the plan you conceived yesterday may need to be changed tomorrow, and be prepared to do so. That is why God gave us a brain.
Oh, and I think there has been far too much focus on the Bush goobernment by both the Libs and the Cons. One is fighting it, let it die of its own disease, and the other has been trying to emulate it, also leading to failure. What happened to Canadian thinking?
There, I guess that will be Bill’s Rant for the day. Sorry Rick Mercer, but you are off too much…somebody has to fill the void! LOL
Did anybody else just get this email ?
By Calgary Junkie on 07.04.07 10:35 am
NO! And neither did you. Go brush your cows.!
Iggy is an asset, like it or not. Just because someone doesn’t like him doesn’t mean he should go. Many don’t like Dion. Many don’t like Rae. I know of a couple of people who can’t stand Martha Hall Finlay – feels she’s a brown noser and suck up and phony.
This attack Iggy stuff is tiresome and boring.
Not one person in Harper’s gang, for example, has the international experience of Ignatieff and perhaps Rae. In this global world that experience is necessary.
Greens, The True Conservatives
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.04.07 9:40 am
Being against NAFTA isn’t conservative”. Neither is their boneheaded idea to offset carbon taxes with income tax reductions. So when you start to reduce emissions (thus reducing revenue from the tax) do you raise income taxes back up to make up for the lost revenue? Not a very well thought out policy. Neither is using a carbon trading market with a carbon tax. How can you have TWO prices for carbon? If you charge a $50 tax on a tonne of carbon are you going to let emitters have an “out” buy allowing them to pay $15 on a carbon market? It doesn’t make sense.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.04.07 11:18 am
Bill, your post is dead on. I too agree with you on Iggy. In my opinion, he isn’t very likeable & has to go. I think there are many Canadians that feel the same & that is the reason the CONservatives would like to see Mr. Dion out & Iggy in. Mr. Dion is a very real threat to the CONservatives & Iggy, in my opinion would not be. That is probably the reason why Observer, HaltonMan, etc kept harping in their posts about when will Mr. Dion step down & let Iggy lead the party.
Anyway, this is my personal take on Iggy & I’m sure many others would agree.
Have a great day. Irene
Too much of a coward to come out of his office and face voters.
By Transcanada on 07.03.07 4:46 pm
Umm. We had a Liberal MP for many years and no one ever saw him in his riding. You’d catch him sleeping in QP, never once did he do a town hall meeting. He only came out of hiding during campaigns. I wonder, except for those who have attended Garth’s town hall meetings, (namely the one where it was to annoy Jim), how many Liberals have town hall meetings on their own?
L
Dr. Mike,
Yes you better, because the Liberals have a long way to go. You’re $1100 has to be multiplied by about 100 000 before you’ll get anywhere close, so you better get to work.
Myself, I’m not so “socially progressive”. Although it sounds nice, it certainly hasn’t gotten us very far has it. The Libs have destroyed our health care, done nothing for our environment, decimated the living conditions of our Native peoples, and nearly ripped our country apart. After being in power for 80% of the last century, you’re “socially progressive” pals haven’t done very well. Sounds nice though.
Dell
In this global world that experience is necessary.
By slg on 07.04.07 12:16 pm
I would prefer Canadian experience for Canada. Globalism is dying rapidly, or haven’t you heard? As to Iggy’s so-called ‘international experience’, List where, when, doing what, and for how long?
He still hasn’t learned humility, so I don;t care how much ‘worldly experience’ he has had, because he hasn’t even conquered himself. Some people have knowledge…some acquire wisdom. He has not shown that to me.
Muskoka Bill -
I see that you have volunteered to be Garths spokesperson by answering his questions for him.
The answers you provided yesterday were so poor Bill, that I think you should fire yourself.
Garth and Dion do not have to agree on what toilet paper is best. Any idiot knows that Bill.
My questions were about policy,,,Bill.
Duuuuuuh. Bill.
You are not qualified to answer.
Trying to be a pundit Bill ??
Irene –
Oh Irene, I love Dion. After all, he can head up a meeting and host a lunch.
All on the same day.
But seriously, Dions are great.
We bake them at 350 degree’s for 15 minutes untill golden brown. Then sprinkle on a little sugar.
Yummm.
Dr. Mike,
Yes you better, because the Liberals have a long way to go. You’re $1100 has to be multiplied by about 100 000 before you’ll get anywhere close, so you better get to work.
Myself, I’m not so “socially progressiveâ€. Although it sounds nice, it certainly hasn’t gotten us very far has it. The Libs have destroyed our health care, done nothing for our environment, decimated the living conditions of our Native peoples, and nearly ripped our country apart. After being in power for 80% of the last century, you’re “socially progressive†pals haven’t done very well. Sounds nice though.
Dell
By Dell on 07.04.07 1:05 pm
Sooooo the liberals need $110,000,000 to match the 18 mill the cons have? Hmmm, maybe you should recheck that number kiddo. I’m thinking your math is off.
In any event, it’s pretty amazing that die hard cons have so much money to throw at an already supremely wealthy party. The fact that millions of liberals either have not or cannot give what they can to the liberal party is telling in one of two ways.
One, they cannot do so because the large majority of them cannot afford it, or two, they feel reluctant to give any money to the liberal party as it is.
One would have to ASSUME two, but it is a bit beyond me as to why. I have a feeling those pathetic (to me at least) attack ads are actually having an impact on people. One that is negative towards Mr. Dion. Obviously the polling numbers are not where there monetary support is at, so I’m thinking, although the attack ads are making people think twice about liberal, it isn’t making them think once about con.
I’m hoping like hell Dion can really show Canada the man he is. Positive ads that promote thought and positive discussion amongst Canadian citizens will help that cause a long way. Also Dion getting out there and putting his face where ever he can will do a lot.
Whatever the case may be, obviously money does NOT equal power. At least not in this case.
Remember the “Japanese Miracle” of the late 70’s and early 80’s? It was the massive growth of Japanese Industrial complex, catapulting the Japanese economy to become the second largest in the world.
The benefit to us was that the arrogant American manufactures got their buts kicked. No longer did we have to buy poorly made American cars, at inflated prices. It kept the arrogant Americans honest, and gave all of us choices we didn’t have before.
The rise of the Chinese and Indian industial complex is a re-run of the Japanese Miracle, times 1000. And once again, we will benefit by having more choices. The arrogant companies that want to put their heads in the sand and pretend the trend is not happening will be thrown into the dustbins of history. Over the next 20 years, we will se more change than in the century. Those who try and resist the changes are doomed, while those who embrace it with thrive. Head west.
Dell
Muskoka Bill -
I see that you have volunteered to be Garths spokesperson by answering his questions for him.
The answers you provided yesterday were so poor Bill, that I think you should fire yourself.
Garth and Dion do not have to agree on what toilet paper is best. Any idiot knows that Bill.
My questions were about policy,,,Bill.
Duuuuuuh. Bill.
You are not qualified to answer.
Trying to be a pundit Bill ??
By Haltonjohn on 07.04.07 1:41 pm
Irene -
Oh Irene, I love Dion. After all, he can head up a meeting and host a lunch.
All on the same day.
But seriously, Dions are great.
We bake them at 350 degree’s for 15 minutes untill golden brown. Then sprinkle on a little sugar.
Yummm.
By Haltonjohn on 07.04.07 1:49 pm
Oh Johnny boy, I see you never replied to my other postings, and here you are complaining about others not answering your irrelevant questions? AND ‘dissing’ Mr. Dion at the same time? You silly boy, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.
This is Garth’s blog little man, he can choose to answer whatever questions he wishes. Pretty simple. If you TRULY are from the Halton area, then go to Mr. Turners office and ask the questions in person, you obviously have more than enough time to get off your ass, so do so, instead of bitching and whining about him ignoring you. He responds more to you trolls than he does to the people who actually support him, be glad your even reading and responding. You could very easily be next to go with your ‘quick wit’.
No one likes a sarcastic prat. All civil discussions welcome, thus far you do not fit into that category.
Further to the Iggy and his so-called ‘international experience.’
Here is what Iggy has said and some of many bizzare positions on ‘international’ matters’:
Michael Ignatieff
gnatieff was based in the United Kingdom from 1978 to 2000. During this time he was on the faculty at both Cambridge and Oxford Universities and worked as a film-maker and political commentator for the BBC. He lived in the United States from 2000 to 2005
Yeah, real Canadian experience before 1978.
International Affairs
International Affairs
Ignatieff has written extensively on international development, peacekeeping and the international responsibilities of Western nations. Critical of the limited-risk approach practiced by NATO in conflicts like the Kosovo War and the Rwandan Genocide, he says that there should be more active involvement and larger scale deployment of land forces by Western nations in future conflicts in the developing world.
In this vein, Ignatieff was a prominent supporter of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. Ignatieff says that the United States had inadvertently established “an empire lite, a global hegemony whose grace notes are free markets, human rights and democracy, enforced by the most awesome military power the world has ever known.”
Wow, that sure sounds Canadian to me? NOT!
The Lesser Evil Approach
Ignatieff has argued that Western democracies may have to resort to “lesser evils” like indefinite detention of suspects, coercive interrogations, torture, targeted assassinations, and pre-emptive wars in order to combat the greater evil of terrorism.
Makes me wonder if he sends contributions to Pat Robertson, Dick Cheney, and that ilk?
Extension of Canada’s Afghanistan Mission
Since his election to Parliament, Ignatieff has been one of the few opposition members supporting the minority Conservative government’s commitment to Canadian military activity in Afghanistan.
What next…will he join the BLOC in supporting Harper?
Quebec As a Nation
On October 21, 2006, the Quebec wing of the Liberal Party of Canada adopted a resolution that called for the entire Liberal Party of Canada to recognize “the Quebec nation”, and to form a task force to find possible ways to “officialize this historical and social reality.” Ignatieff endorsed the resolution and suggested that it may need to be entrenched into the Constitution of Canada at some point down the road.
He would probably like to start his own nation as well…Guess who would be the Life Long Leader?
You can have him, I don’t want him…He’s too Yank for me!
By Haltonjohn on 07.04.07 1:41 pm
By Haltonjohn on 07.04.07 1:49 pm
Please try that recipe on your skull. Not to worry, no damage will be done…that would require the presence of a brain!
Oh, and when I want your opinion I will let you know. Now YOU answer the questions HJ!
Being against NAFTA isn’t conservativeâ€. Neither is their boneheaded idea to offset carbon taxes with income tax reductions.
By KPK on 07.04.07 12:32 pm
I am against NAFTA because it is a bltant lie, a deceitful delusion, and simply does not work to the benefit of Canada.
As to transferring taxation, I am for it. Let those who are gluttonous morons pay upfront for it. The rest of us will go forth in sanity. As to a Carbon Tax, that is not one of my first choices, but it may be the way for the present.
Taxation as a deterrent is not a proven solution in my opnion. It can be applied to stiffle extremes, but has not yet been shown to do so…there will always be those who will pay any price for what they want…like $969 Eco Shopping Bags. Give me a friggin’ break. How moronic can people get? Never mind, I already know there is no limit to human egotism.
We’re a country that depends very heavily on exporting.
I don’t buy the idea that we need to focus on our ‘comparative advantage’. If we did that, we’d be sending ALL of our natural resources elsewhere to be processed and resold to us.
I think that more Canadian capital needs to be reinvested into manufacturing. Not everybody can be scientists, and you never know…someday we might actually need to make a whole lot of tanks and bombs.
There’s a strategic arguement there for tax incentives for manufacturing innovation.
SJ -
Be calm SJ.
Your anger is showing. I may try to pay more attention to your posts in the future SJ. I did not know how important that was to you.
Everything will be OK.
PS, Garths office is close to my house and I have been in a few times. It is at the west end of town on the south side of Main Street. It has a front and rear entrance and is the office with the windows covered with eggs and garbage each morning. He is right beside a pharmacy. This makes it easy for Garth to get his headache pills.
Thats a good boy.
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Bill -
I know Bill. Your angry to. And I thought Dions recipe was fun.
Did you burn yours Bill ??
Don’t be mad at me Bill just because your pundit days are over.
But,
Thanks anyways for spending all that time answering my questions to Garth.
And Bill,, “bake my skull” ????
That’s not a very creative response.
Tisk,,,tisk,,.
Now get back to work Bill. You need to put in 12 hours today. At this rate you will be working untill dawn.
Move it.
And next time you’re in, have the balls to come and meet me. I’ll know you by the bag over your head. — Garth
Being against NAFTA isn’t conservativeâ€. Neither is their boneheaded idea to offset carbon taxes with income tax reductions.
By KPK on 07.04.07 12:32 pm
Actually, economic nationalism was a Conservative policy from Confederation until the 1980s. Even the Mulroney Conservatives gained their first electoral victory while opposing the concept of FTA and NAFTA.
Free trade was actually a traditional Canadian Liberal policy. That is why the Chretien government supported it once in office.
I know
By Haltonjohn on 07.04.07 3:11 pm
You keep repeating the same mistake. typical. You are not even worthy of being a little upset. Your nothing here, nor in the real world, but you are consistent. Truly the mark of a person incapable of adaptation.
So when are you going to actually attend one of Garth’s meetings and say to him, face to face, your opinions?
Garth,
HJ sounds like Hogan…that snotty little attitude shows through in all his posts.
So, let us know when he actually has the cajonies top introduce himself.
By C. B. Innes on 07.04.07 3:17 pm
I remember when it came in down in the States. The rhetoric was all about how it would even out the U.S. Trade Deficit. HA! That will never happen as long as they consume, consume, consume. NAFTA is good for the U.S., and mostly only the U.S..
Have you ever read the NAFTA provisions for skilled workers? I have and they are a joke in Canada. The flow is south, not north.
We all remember BSE, Timber, and the Northwest Passage…don’t we?
The acronym really stands for Not Another Friggin’ Trade Agreement, or should.
Maybe Canadians would regain placing a value on our Loonie and stop whining about competing? We should be opening more Asian and EU markets, not to mention South America.
I still have a paper Canadian dollar bill I paid $1.08 USD for.
Were their word ‘As good as gold’ as Condoliar Rice says, then it could be mutually beneficial. So far, their word has not been.
BTW, ever checked the prices on Home Depot’s website in the States? Here is one example. Ryobi 9 inch Bandsaw $99 USD, and was $149 Cnd, now $139 Cnd.
Look at auto parts costs as well. They should include a tube of K-Y Jelly with each order bought in Canada. The parts are made here, then shipped to the U.S., and back, and the markup is ridiculous.
Oh well, we have those fine, authentic Chinese products to choose from.
Thank you for the usual excellent and accurate comment BTW.
I am against NAFTA because it is a bltant lie, a deceitful delusion, and simply does not work to the benefit of Canada.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.04.07 2:34 pm
If you such a harden dislike for NAFTA, why are you even a lite liberal supporter?
” As to transferring taxation, I am for it. Let those who are gluttonous morons pay upfront for it. The rest of us will go forth in sanity. As to a Carbon Tax, that is not one of my first choices, but it may be the way for the present.
Taxation as a deterrent is not a proven solution in my opnion. It can be applied to stiffle extremes, but has not yet been shown to do so…there will always be those who will pay any price for what they want…like $969 Eco Shopping Bags. Give me a friggin’ break. How moronic can people get? Never mind, I already know there is no limit to human egotism.”
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.04.07 2:34 pm
So Bill, what would you say to the lower income earners (families or seniors)? They are barely supporting themselves. They certainly can’t afford to pay for upgrades to their homes or buy new appliances. And don’t give me the “we will give them a tax credit” or “we will give them a portion back” crap. Because they can’t afford it in the first place!
Seems Bill, you are very cold hearted individual.
By Catherine on 07.04.07 4:27 pm
You seem to be missing the long term implications of the direction our government’s, both Liberal and Conservative are moving. If we continue on the “globalization” band wagon within a very short time very few people will be able to afford anything but the bare essentials (if they are even available).
With the increasing costs of transportation and the increasing movement of goods, prices will have to rise to compensate. As production moves to places like India and China incomes there will rise and here they will start to fall as more people will be competing for fewer jobs. With fewer jobs the tax base will decline and low income families will be less and less able to purchase what they require.
However, if we move to a more enviromentally sensitive economic model there will more jobs and better incomes. There are huge opportunities for move from our throw-away economy to a more sustainable one through quality production at home. We need money circulating within our own economy rather than the constant outflow that is created by corporate globalization.
By seeing the short term gain from cheap goods and energy wastefulness, without any care for the future, can be also be considered “cold hearted” and selfish.
NAFTA is not “free” trade but a form of government managed trade on behalf of big capital. It favours the mega-multi-national corporations and as such undermines true entrepreneurship and progress. Globalization is not a sustainable model because of the rising real and environmental costs of the system and its tendency to create more “lower income earners” families and seniors.
Dr. Mike,
Yes you better, because the Liberals have a long way to go. You’re $1100 has to be multiplied by about 100 000 before you’ll get anywhere close, so you better get to work.
Myself, I’m not so “socially progressiveâ€. Although it sounds nice, it certainly hasn’t gotten us very far has it. The Libs have destroyed our health care, done nothing for our environment, decimated the living conditions of our Native peoples, and nearly ripped our country apart. After being in power for 80% of the last century, you’re “socially progressive†pals haven’t done very well. Sounds nice though.
Dell
By Dell on 07.04.07 1:05 pm
Hey Dell–i was a staunch supporter of the PC party my whole voting life–never voted for any other party–thinking the present Conservative party would be representative of the same ideals , I continued on with my support.
I believed them when they emphatically promised not to tax income trusts–I invested on their say-so believing them to be better than the enemy Liberals–not so–I was betrayed by my own party for no apparent reason–no proof was ever given that the trust model was anything but a normal investment which would be self-regulating in accordance with market forces.
The present BCE debacle with it`s subsequent tax losses has just reaffirmed my belief that these guys are incompetent & have to go.
This leaves me in a predicament–can`t vote for this dreaded Conservative party again, have been scared off by the last NDP disaster in Ontario , green is no viable alternative on a national level , bloc–won`t even go there .
That leaves the Liberal party as my only option–upon research & speaking with many of the top Liberals , I have determined that at least they will listen to my concerns –they have shown me so far that they are willing to determine policy based upon consultation & good planning.
i will continue to monitor this situation asking for specifics on their policy determinations & see how it plays out come next election.
Hoping for better in Rodney–DR Mike P
Seems Bill, you are very cold hearted individual.
By Catherine on 07.04.07 4:27 pm
Say what? Did you bring enough of your Wacky Weed for everyone Cathy? Remember the rules from kindergarten?
SJ -
Be calm SJ.
Your anger is showing. I may try to pay more attention to your posts in the future SJ. I did not know how important that was to you.
Everything will be OK.
PS, Garths office is close to my house and I have been in a few times. It is at the west end of town on the south side of Main Street. It has a front and rear entrance and is the office with the windows covered with eggs and garbage each morning. He is right beside a pharmacy. This makes it easy for Garth to get his headache pills.
Thats a good boy.
By Haltonjohn on 07.04.07 3:11 pm
lol, angry little guy? No, just pointing out your pitiful idea of reality. I understand your need to see anger in others when you yourself are so full of rage, but I assure you, you are wrong.
As Garth said, be a man, show your face to him. Be truthful. Don’t keep all that regret bottled up and just post on his blog.
He is more than willing to talk with your trolls, as he has shown time and time again.
Oh and stop throwing things are private property. It can get you in some hot water…. or were you just being facetious?
By C. B. Innes on 07.04.07 5:20 pm
As was said by Jared Diamond The poor of the rich nations are forced to support the rich of the poor nations!
If you such a harden diIf you such a harden dislike for NAFTA, why are you even a lite liberal supporter?
By Catherine on 07.04.07 4:27 pm
Seems I missed your other gem o logic cathy. I have never supported the Liberals per se, but unlike you, I can see value in ideas regardless of where they come from. I have even supported a few of Harper’s goobernment’s ideas regarding crime laws.
The issue comes down to governing style. I prefer a democracy over a dictatorship and dishonesty.
I support Garth because Garth is Garth. I will leave that your in-depth comprehension to decipher!
As was said by Jared Diamond The poor of the rich nations are forced to support the rich of the poor nations!
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.04.07 5:50 pm
“Ain’t it the truth,” but one could take it much further.
It has a front and rear entrance and is the office with the windows covered with eggs and garbage each morning. He is right beside a pharmacy. This makes it easy for Garth to get his headache pills.
Thats a good boy.
By Haltonjohn on 07.04.07 3:11 pm
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So that is how you relieve your stress John. You spend your nights pelting Eggs at Garth’s office. You better stop that or you are going to get in trouble there naughty boy.
By Randy on 07.04.07 8:16 pm
It just goes to prove what a total ‘yolk’ HJ is! Probably the only whay he can get out of his shell!
By C. B. Innes on 07.04.07 8:12 pm
Jared Diamond already has, as has John Ralston Saul. In fact, there are a plethora of well written and researched books out on the subject.