PMSH visits the North with ill-fated Gordon O’Connor. Does his future include an ice floe?
While I’m sure my neighbours don’t give a rat’s rump this fine August weekend about the federal cabinet, next week’s shuffle is a big political deal. Not that they care at Wiggans Foodland, where the weenies are flying out the door, but this coming event clearly demonstrates the problems PMSH faces.
This will be his third cabinet in 18 months, since the original one was revamped in January as the high-profile, low-octane environment minister was thrown overboard. This time the low-key, high-maintenance defence minister will be skewered and as many as a third of the other mute ministers will be trading offices. In addition, last autumn the talented but principled Michael Chong took a walk, and the abrasive and cuddly Peter van Loan took the prized House Leader’s suicide seat directly behind the PM.
Other concerns are a lack of female talent, as Revenue Minister Carol Skelton (try picking her out of a lineup) retires; as Heritage Minister Bev Oda is tanked (she actually admits giving grants for sidewalk sales); and as Sports-Intergovernment Minister Helena Guergis continues to be a volcano of inexperienced unpredictability.
Peter MacKay may be shunted to Industry, and Maxime Bernier, the most vain man I have ever met (when he knows a question is coming in QP, he stands in advance of being recognized by the speaker, to smooth his coat before the camera finds him) may be Foreign Minister. Look out, Condi.
David Emerson will soon be toast, since he cannot win his Vancouver seat again. Same, I hear, with Loyola Hearn, the Minister of Fish – a victim of the Harper Party’s shattering of the Atlantic Accord. Tony Clement, the earnest Health Minister, also has serious riding problems, since he won last time by fewer than 30 votes. Poor Chuck Strahl has an inoperable form of lung cancer, from asbestos exposure long before he became Ag Minister, and Immigration Minister Diane Finley has a thyroid condition that’s forced here to wear concealing sunglasses for the past year.
I hear Veterans minister Greg Thomson may be throwing in the towel after this term, while Vic Toews and Rona Ambrose have already been demoted once. So, all in all, this is not exactly a Dream Team ready to unleash buckets of new ideas and energy for the remainder of the Harper mandate.
And, wow, I almost forgot Jim Flaherty who has managed to become the symbol of ministerial betrayal and incompetence for reasons explained in a mere four hundred thousand words already published on this blog. While he will likely not be shuffled, since that would be tantamount to Mr. Harper admitting economic failure (which would be an honest move), the increasingly vitriolic minister is a clear and growing liability.
So, quagmire city. Sending more ministers out on ice floes just underscores PMSH’s administrative failures. Bringing in panting subordinates like James Moore (BC) or Diane Ablonzcy (Calgary) so soon after the last election shows the boss’ lack of judgment. But doing nothing is no option, with stagnant polls, a strengthening opposition and a potential two years until the next vote. Suddenly that fixed-date election idea isn’t looking too bright, now that a prime minister is prevented from pulling the plug on Parliament. So long as the separatists feel like avoiding the Quebec electorate, the Conservatives will be forced to carry on as if they had a majority.
And this brings me to baggage, which is what all governments accumulate. This one is doing it faster than most, with that honking big Samsonite labeled “Income Trust.†Soon there will be a steamer trunk with “Economy†written on the side, thanks to the Minister of Inflation’s dumb high-dollar, high-rate, high-spending strategies. There’s also the luggage called Arar and Afghanistan and Climate Change and Accountability.
In short, with the new election legislation and the makeup of Parliament, Mr. Harper might well be trapped in a gentle spiral of descent leading to that fateful day in October of 2009.
Unless, of course, he’s an alchemist, or a sow’s-ear specialist or a faith healer. Maybe that’ll work out better for him than the economist thing.
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Poor Chuck Strahl has an inoperable form of lung cancer, from asbestos exposure long before he became Ag Minister, and Immigration Minister Diane Finley has a thyroid condition that’s forced here to wear concealing sunglasses for the past year.
~Wow! Garth, you’ve really outdone yourself here. This has to be the most mean spirited thread you’ve started to date. L
Where, exactly, is there a mean-spirited word in that sentence? — Garth
Bernier would be a disaster as foreign minister. The man has absolute faith in radical capitalism.
If his wreckless approach to Canada’s telecommunications sector was applied to our foreign policy and trade — simply put, welcome to America north.
Oda and Bernier both need to be backbenched badly.
Arar is really mostly a Liberal deal and you can bet Harper will state that each time it comes up. The rest is all correct except I think for Diane Ablonzy, who is on Harpers wrong side because she didn’t support him in his leadership race and the man is peevish if nothing else, she stays out because he can’t admit he’s wrong and would rather waste a talent than admit it. Ok what’s the deal with Helena, she’s my MP and I always thought of her as largely just invisible even with the cabinet post. Can you say or point me to articles. Flaherty stays, Oh my God is this country in trouble, because as you stated it would just be a huge failure Harper et el could not spin no matter how hard they tried. It should be interesting, can’t wait for all those new ideas to come rolling out in the fall.
~Wow! Garth, you’ve really outdone yourself here. This has to be the most mean spirited thread you’ve started to date. L
Where, exactly, is there a mean-spirited word in that sentence? — Garth
By Leasa on 08.10.07 10:59 pm
It’s past your bedtime Leasa, your reasoning is not functioning.
Steady there, Garth ol’ boy. Angry Leasa Canayjun is in the midst of a hissyfit, and there’s no cure for it. Let it slide.
The right wing fruitcakes are enjoying their dog days before their forthcoming wipeout, and no one bothers to pay attention to them anyways!
How to win a lottery without buying a ticket, and then the rich get . . . well, you know the rest!
http://www.thestreet.com/s/bear-stearns-fat-cats-cashed-out-at-the-top/funds/followmoney/10372963.html
GArth
This is the second time that you have mentioned Chucks illness. The first time it caused some commentators on this blog to post some very hurtful posts and resulted in you having to appologize.
I am surprised and dissapointed that you would raise this again. there is no need for it and it doesnot add anything to the debate. it makes you look like all you can do is attack the person not the policies-somethging you have repetedly attacked the PM and PVL for doing. Why the double standard?
Paul Wells recently bloged that Danny Williams was the only person in Canada that could make the PM look like the bigger man.
Well it looks like Danny has company now.
David
To be accurate, it was a visitor who was disrespectful of Mr. Strahl’s illness, not me. Second, the health of a minister is totally relevant to national politics. Third, if you think this is an attack, then you’d best exit this blog. It’s far too dangerous a place for you. — Garth
This cartoon is quite good.
http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/
The CON Party of Canada should give lessons in mean spiritedness..
Leasa, How you can interpret this as being mean spirited is beyond me. Garth, I am sure, meant that in a genuine concerned way. I am sure you won’t be the first of course to interpret it as as as otherwise.
Sorry about the stutter there with the as as as :-}
OK – so let’s examine the Stephane Dion’s Liberal dream team. Afterall, they are supposed to be “a government in waiting”. Most of the experience help has thrown their towels in. Most of the rest – well, try picking up their mug shots out of a line-up.
This type of post just re-affirms that the Liberals are void of any vision or ideas. They haven’t got any goals, except “got get into power”.
’sow’s-ear specialist’???
Take a hate break Turner and grow up. Cabinet shuffles are standard fare in any government.
Why not write about the senate holding up important legislation that our elected government and Canadians want passed ??
Cricket anyone ?? Drinks are on Dalton.
UNI-SEX COWBOY HATS
This is about the only thing that is worth a comment this morning before I set sail. Are White Cowboy hats “in” these days? Are they better than my Tilley endurable?
http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=53296&sc=89
Michael Chong certainly appears to be one of the few principled men in Ottawa today.
He is highly respected by his constituents and has the ability to relate to the people in his riding. Also a good fellow to do arms length business with I’ve been told.
Considering his dissatisfaction with his parties policies, he could be open to significant change in the future. I wonder..
Doesn Leasa not comprehend what’s she’s reading. You are talking about possibilities for ministers and Chuck Strahl and Diane Finlay have health problems – which could affect their portfolios and do count in for Harper’s choices. Nothing nasty here at all.
Either Harper has a caucus that is totally dumb and inept, or they’ve been made mush over his control.
Disturbing – I read where the new Commish of the RCMP – was involved in the blacking out of documents in the Arar case and he said it was under the government’s orders. Now, would Elliot cover up for Harper? Hmmm….
I have some doubts about Abloncy’s loyalty to Canada – she was an “active” member of of the Western Concepts group who goal was to separate the NWT/Man/Sask/Alta/BC from Canada and to protect and maintain European and Christian values before becoming a Reformist – now she’s loyal to Canada? I wonder.
Sadly, those CPC’s who may have some intelligence and talent are being made to look like idiots by Harper.
Catherine – Arar’s lawyer has said that the CSIS and RCMP went out of there way to hide what was happening from the government(being the Liberals). I think the reason Harper wanted blacked out documents was because they proved the Liberals didn’t know – in fact, when the Liberals wanted it investigated (and it’s in Hansard) Ablonczy, Toews, Harper, et al continually attacked the Liberals for protecting a terrorist (Arar) – why on earth don’t people get facts straight before they attack?
Harper blaming the Liberal senate is just “spin” and that’s been proven. For example, Harper has come out pounding his chest like Tarzan saying that the shootings in Vancouver were because the Liberal senate is holding up the minimum sentencing bill – what a crock. This, as the police say, it a premeditated shooting – the current Criminal Code for premiditated murders is life and no application for parole for 25 years – how much of an increase after “life” does Harper think one needs. How very stupid – and a pile of spin. The portions of the crime bills that the senate are reviewing weren’t presented to them until the “last minute”. Again, don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant eh?
Ya Halton John, cabinet shuffles aren’t out of the ordindary – but so many in such a short time is disturbing – and we are all grown up and waiting for you to mature. Is your whole purpose in life to be negative and attack and throw out stupid comments? What a waste.
’sow’s-ear specialist’???
By wd on 08.11.07 7:14 am
Wise old Scot once said, ” Ya canna make a silk purse of a sow’s ear”.
Cricket anyone ?? Drinks are on Dalton.
By Haltonjohn on 08.11.07 7:22 am
French Revolution anyone? Lest we forget!
“I have some doubts about Abloncy’s loyalty to Canada – she was an “active†member of of the Western Concepts group who goal was to separate the NWT/Man/Sask/Alta/BC from Canada and to protect and maintain European and Christian values before becoming a Reformist – now she’s loyal to Canada? I wonder.”
Not to defend Abloncy, but how is this worse than Dion’s dual citizenship, or the Governor Generals husbands words in his book, La manière nègre (The Black Way), he wrote, “So, a sovereign Quebec? An independent Quebec? Yes, and I applaud with both hands.”
The words of the great mentor still ring in my ears, “Vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre”
Ms. Ablonczy chose to join the WCC. Dion’s mother passed along French citizenship at his birth. No comparison there. — Garth
I have two issues that bug me..1 The present government are NOT Torys They are Cons. 2 The present government does NOT represent all Canadians.. They were elected by far less that 50% and therefore do not have the mandate that they assume to have.
Greg,,,,
French Revolution ???? What kind of foolish response was that ?? Or are you actually not aware that Dalton has been paying for votes with our tax money in a deceptive manner ??
SLiG -
Do not worry.
I still accept your written expression of regret, remorse, and sorrow for slandering me the other day without cause. Now pick yourself up. You must learn to control yourself and your anger. You should probably not drive today.
Joke of the day —-
Q- How do you know if a liberal is lying ??
A- They are speaking.
Joke number 2 –
Q- What do you call a ship load of liberal’s headed to China?
A- A good start.
What is Stand-Up Comic day Friday in your Grade 3 class? — Garth
Garth you got out of the Conservative party just in time. They are finished in the next Federal election. I predict a spring election once their next budget comes out. Harper should of known by putting some of the Mike Harris team in positions of power, he was just creating the same mess that Ontario had under Harris and Eves.
Vote Liberal on October 10th.
Garth I sense a tad of envy in all that vemon you are spewing out today.How you wish that you were part of of all of this rather than sitting in a leader-less opposition!!!
Get a new nose. — Garth
~Wow! Garth, you’ve really outdone yourself here. This has to be the most mean spirited thread you’ve started to date. L
Where, exactly, is there a mean-spirited word in that sentence? — Garth
By Leasa on 08.10.07 10:59 pm
I think the fact that you added this paragraph after a tyrade over the rest of the quagmire could lead some to think its mean spirited, especially, if with blue tinted glasses, they took the word “poor” to be a scarcastic jab.
I took the word “poor” to be the opposite and probably the way you meant it, that being, “through no fault of their own.”
Take a hate break Turner and grow up. Cabinet shuffles are standard fare in any government. – Halton John
True, but 3 in 18 months must be close to a record. As for cricket, the game where 11 men come out before the other team goes in. Then they come in one at a time, while the other team tries to get them out, at which point a new member comes in, until all but one are out etc…etc..etc…
Are you a “spin” baller?
“Arar is really mostly a Liberal deal and you can bet Harper will state that each time it comes up”.
By Stephen Smith on 08.10.07 11:12 pm
Do a little research man, Look up Big Steve’s and his crew’s comment in opposition during the Arar affair. They could not wait to get the so called terrorist out of Canada and the sooner the better.
As for the cabinet shuffle, The sooner Vic Toews is given the boot the better.
For those of you not from Manitoba, I just want to let you know there is another CF18 affair brewing. Big Steve is running all over the north telling anyone who will listen that HE will develop a northern deepwater port by spending hundreds of millions of our money.
No problem with the idea of Northern Canadian Soverignty, Where the problem comes in is That Canada already has a fully developed deepwater port along with a land rail link – its Called Chuchill Manitoba.
But this port is in Manitoba, hence no new votes for Steve. Turncoat trained seal Toews has got to go!
Where, exactly, is there a mean-spirited word in that sentence? — Garth
This opinion is through my eyes, and it still stands. Garth, you were pointing out the ‘weakness’ in the Cabinet. Yes, both Diane and Chuck are ill. However, neither has let their illnesses stop them from working and working darn hard I might add. They are strong Cab. Ministers, their health problems have not hampered their jobs in any way. In trying to say they make the Cabinet weak ‘because you never know…’, you are saying that their health will surely deteriorate. Why not take them as they are and wish them the best? If their health does fail, then and only then should the P.M. consider their roles. Not before. In mentioning especially Chuck’s cancer, you are in effect signing the death certificate prematurely. What would you say if a person who is a quadriplegic with a multitude of disabilities was made health minister?
Perhaps it’s time to rethink Dion’s leadership…after all the man is colour blind, can’t drive a car and can’t be left alone in a house.
No, Garth, it was nasty. L
Ms. Ablonczy chose to join the WCC. Dion’s mother passed along French citizenship at his birth. No comparison there. — Garth
By Greg on 08.11.07 9:36 am
Sorry Garth. His mother didn’t just ‘pass it along’. She had to apply for it and Dion had to defend it in order to take a foreign government job and keep it. Why did France allow him to keep it? L
Cap’n George, stick with your Tilley. You don’t sail in them thar circles.
In short, with the new election legislation and the makeup of Parliament, Mr. Harper might well be trapped in a gentle spiral of descent leading to that fateful day in October of 2009.
Unless, of course, he’s an alchemist, or a sow’s-ear specialist or a faith healer. Maybe that’ll work out better for him than the economist thing.
Garth,
What this creature is has been properly determined to be a Clang Bird!
“The Clang Bird is a rare creature that flies in ever decreasing circles at ever increasing speeds until with a terrible clang it disappears up its own ass. It is only because of the will of God that the Clang Bird is not yet extinct.”
— St. Gomer, O.S.T., Founder,
Order of St. Thomas, Novissima Verba, 1717
It should not be confused with the ground dwelling hairball Bairdy Bunny, which is a pseudo spokeperson for the Clang Bird.
Both, BTW, are currently on the Endangered Species list…so to ease their suffering let us help them become extinct asap. It is the humane thing to do I think!
As to the Mad Hatter FinMin, he was recently given a photo-op at Afternoon Tea held in the PMO.
Right on about Flaherty. The guy will leave a legacy of serious financial problems, not only for the country but for the hundreds of thousands of seniors who were betrayed and lied to. If Harper had any decency at all he would replace Flaherty with someone competent immediately.
Greg,,,,
French Revolution ???? What kind of foolish response was that ?? Or are you actually not aware that Dalton has been paying for votes with our tax money in a deceptive manner ??
It was intended to express a sentiment regarding the Minister of Immigrations dept. giving $1 million to a cricket club and all that this encompasses.
Get it now? What slander?
When I was 16, I said to myself, self…This Trudeau guy is buying peoples votes with their own money. I have learned a lot more since then.
“The Clang Bird ”
ROFLMAO! You got my Santa belly all a jiggle!
Good show old chap!
Dion “fought” for Federalism – Ablonczy wanted separation of the western provinces – duh – you can’t see the difference?
Lease – you’re sounding silly now.
Halton John – give you ego (unwarranted) a shake. Like anyone’s going to take advice from you – LOL. I’m not angry like the CPC’s who insist on using angry in their blog names. I think you’re silly actually LOL.
There are quite a few in our parliament that have dual citizenship. This argument is dumb. Dion is “Canadian” and fought for Canada and I think he’s more than earned his right to be called loyal. This is just nit-picking. John Turner had dual citizenship (Brit/Can) and I didn’t hear any screams about that. Reaching and stretching for a reason to hate is sad, really very sad.
Dalton ??
knock,
knock,
who’s there ??
The cops are at the door,,,again.
Well, it looks like it’s time to call the cops on another corrupt LIBERAL government.
Another scum bag, lying, and corrupt liberal party thinks it’s OK to steal our money and pass it out to make friends.
Another slush fund scandal by liberals, and it looks like the 32 million is just a start.
I can’t wait to see Dalton, in tears, trying to defend his lies. I promise, I did’nt do it, he will cry….
Now that’s Liberal integrity,,, right Turner ??
Question –
What did the blind, deaf, and retarted person say to the liberal minion fool ??
Answer –
I can help you with that.
You are cut off. Bye. — Garth
Canada flexes military muscles in Arctic
Army training centre and new deepwater port key elements of plan
Oh yeah, I bet the stack of applications for a duty assignment there will just overwhelm CF’s HQ!
The construction cost for the port is pegged at up to $100 million. LMAO! The City of Toronto has to spend $40 million just to refurbish Nathan Phillips Square. BHP spent $792 million to develop the Diavik Diamond Mine 300 kms north of Yellowknife; the paving of the road from Yellowknife (350 kms) to Fort providence cost $500,000 per kilometre, and Harper thinks they are going to be able to build a Deep Water Port on Baffin Island for a mere $100 million. Who worked up that figure? Flaherty?
“Ms. Ablonczy chose to join the WCC. Dion’s mother passed along French citizenship at his birth. No comparison there. — Garth”
That’s a valid point Mr. Turner, I will concede it’s merit, but would also present these thoughts for consideration.
When Canadians volunteered for WWI and WWII, the call from Mother England was a strong motivator. Reflecting on Acadian heritage and history in the Maritime Provinces, it is well documented that the expulsion of many Acadians in 1755 was a direct result of their refusal to sign documents swearing their allegiance to the King of England. Fast forward 252 years, and the flag of the long defunct Acadia is still displayed at MANY homes and businesses. Even the N.B. Legislature I believe.
Old allegiances and sentiment based on language still ferment great passions in this country and are present in the circles of the intelligentsia as well as the general population.
I understand the usage of these passions , but I do not think most Canadians do.
Which brings me back to Dion as leader. Considering the recent history of Prime Ministers from Quebec, sponsorship scandal and possibly Quebec as a Nation, the passions will prevail. Unless Harper becomes perceived as the 2nd Brian Mulroney, then Canadians would vote for a goat to get rid of him.
“John Turner had dual citizenship (Brit/Can) and I didn’t hear any screams about that.”
May I point out a significant difference. The Prime Minister of Great Britain didn’t come to Canada and stand on a balcony delivering a divisive speech which has had untold ramifications.
Garth, some friendly advice. You guys are concentrating too much on your right flank. Your left flank needs some shoring up.
Stéphane Dion’s sell-out …
Stéphane Dion’s refusal to defend Canadian interests against the Free Trade inspired “New American Union” (NAU) agenda, contrasts with the efforts of a different Liberal leader in 1988. John Turner did not sell-out like Stéphane Dion.
Indeed, Mr. Dion, who has had dual citizenship with France that is a member of the European Union, has not even called a news conference to champion Canadian interests against the NAU agenda.
That low blow about Dion’s dual citizenship must really hurt, especially coming from “friendly” social progressives.
Can’t Dion find time away from his English lessons to hold a press conference ? It’s kind of wimpy of him to cede the anti-American, anti-globalization, pro-Union vote to Layton without a fight.
By Greg on 08.11.07 11:44 am
LOL Glad you enjoyed that. Makes one think of the maxim ‘If the head fits, you must quit!’
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.
– Ernest Benn
If we don’t change direction soon, we’ll end up where we’re going.
– Professor Irwin Corey
I thought these quotes would be of interest to all the CON-trolls and other politico junkies here on the blog.
I understand the political reality of illness because when I had mine I was President of our Riding Association and was asked to resign, which I was only to glad to do, so as not to distract from the political process we were working on and I could then concentrate on dealing with and overcoming my illness. I wish Chuck every success as he struggles with his illness.
Perhaps you Garth could provide us with names of the the Dion Liberal shadow cabinet. That would also provide us with a comparison of the teams. Thank you.
It’s been posted on http://www.liberal.ca since January. — Garth
Wow – this is one of the most accurate comments about Helena that I’ve seen – a bit of a change from your comment about her back in June though!!
You are cut off. Bye. — Garth
By Haltonjohn on 08.11.07 12:26 pm
Will Miltonman be cut off as well, or is it just 1 personality getting the boot?
Speaking of Ministers, Quebecois, and other powers, here is a new story re: Premiers meeting at the Council of the Federation meeting in Moncton, N.B.
Talk of national energy grid
One topic that dominated Thursday morning’s sessions was the idea to build a national energy grid that would make sure all provinces benefit fully from Canada’s resources.
“We need to find a way to get those [resources] to the Canadian people,” Williams said. “There is a solution here.”
Although the premiers failed to make a firm commitment to a grid that stretches across Canada, they agreed to support the general development and enhancement of transmission facilities across the country.
Quebec Premier Jean Charest said any grid must give Quebec jurisdiction over its own energy supplies and transmission facilities, with no interference from Ottawa.
He said Quebec would be willing to supply energy to other provinces and is eager to boost its economy with sales from its large supply of hydro and wind power.
With files from the Canadian Press
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2007/08/09/premiers-meeting.html
Before they even begin, it seems at the very least Jean is forgetting the new age saying, “There is no I, in team”
Dion wasn’t even thought of yet in WWI and WWII. Dion didn’t have a gun to De Galles head and force him to say what he said.
Pretty silly to make someone responsible for an incident that wasn’t. Very lame argument.
WHOOPS! – meant to say “for an incidence that wasn’t his responsibility”.
Sorry.
Garth,
Why did you cut Haltonjohn off today ?
Was it his jokes, which are posted elsewhere, or was it his comments about Dalton’s government passing out our money ?
His comments are not more inflammatory than other posters, that I will not name. They are just not pro-liberal.
What’s the scoop ?
Bye, bye. — Garth
“Catherine – Arar’s lawyer has said that the CSIS and RCMP …”
By slg on 08.11.07 9:17 am
In you haste, slg, you attribute a statement to me. So a word of advise, before posting, you may want to review what you write.
Not to defend Abloncy, but how is this worse than Dion’s dual citizenship . . .
Dual citizenship is nice, but it’s not necessary, and it certainly isn’t worth getting one’s knickers in a twist.
My brother and I are both Canadian by birth, but grew up in the Channel Islands (Jersey), thereby giving us dual cit. Has that made us evil people? I’ll let others make the call on that.
Incidentally, is HoJo now hot buttered toast, or just taking a breather? Maybe a long rest, as well as therapy is what is required.
Everyone knows that all shadows are full of emptiness (which is why Shadow’s opinions are nothing more than an exercise in futility and pointless anyway). So no harm, no foul.
Anyone else see the Razor Ribbon surrounding the resort in Montebello, Quebec? Wow! They have more fencing than Gitmo. Now, if only we can figure out how to keep them all IN there once they enter?
On another front, the Super Ego Billionaire Dreamer Extravaganza of Sheer Humbris we see this scared, actually very little man Priciest condo in tallest tower goes to youngest billionaire, Toronto’s Alex Shnaider, the financial muscle behind Trump Tower, plans to keep penthouse
Well, of course he has. This is the same guy (when you read the article) that wanted to move to Russia.
And the MSM give creeps like this POS coverage? This is a prime example of the totally FUBARed mentality of this society we exist in.
Now, had he done something like help build homes the Habitat for Humanity, he would deserve some coverage. This is just an arsehole, like Donald Trump, who sees everything like a seagull ‘Mine! Mine! Mine!’
Why is he so afraid to have his residence revealed? Made a few enemies along the road to wealth have you?
I suppose he would be against the Monarchy simply because they provide so much competition his being King?
Ah, and a link to peruse (no I am not supporting conspiracy theorists…I don’t need to. There is reality aplenty to deal with on this issue)on the upcoming SPP NOW Is the time to learn about the SPP. A tutorial
At least they got the name right ‘Three Amigos’ starring Dusty Bottoms (Chevy Chase-As George Bush the Emperor of Up Yours and various other ‘probing’ intrigues), Lucky Day (Steve Martin…Hey? Is that Stockwell disguised as Steve? No, no, the PMS one, not the Martin one), and Ned Nederlander (Martin Short…as Mexico’s fearless Leader…perfect…at least he is the right height to hang around the Big Guys…saves the knees you know?)
Yes, a Fine Fiasco coming to a Quebec Resort soon! Hmmm…what will be the result of all this? I see, looking into my toilet, we will be having Freedom Fries, topped with Nacho Cheese, Salsa, and Crude Oil…soon to be known as Puketine!
I notice you are not in the shadow CABINET Garth. I thought with all your comments re financial topics you would have at least managed to be appointed the finance critic. How come you still “just” and opposition MP? Dion not quite trusting you perhaps?
Would you? — Garth
Garth –
I was getting tired of badgering you and your stupid minions anyways fuck face.
BTW, Your an ugly fucker. You need to get a neck lift. That turkey neck hanging from your head is getting quite discusting.
Does Dion suck it for you ??
Fuck off for now dick head.
The voice of Conservative thought in Halton. — Garth
Cabinet shuffles are just matters of convenience. There is no real requirement for competence in the job as the current and previous governements have shown. It’s just more bucks and more prestige for the lackies of the party. If you’re not in cabinet you haven’t kissed or whatever else is necessary.
There is no real depth to choose from in either the conservative or liberal camps at present. So don’t worry, thing will still get screwed up because the cabinet ministers are only doing what the PM wants to see and hear. And we know he’s screwed up.
re.By Bill-Muskoka on 08.11.07 3:56 pm
It always amazes me that the nicest condos are the penthouse. From my point of view if I was really wealthy I would not buy a penthouse at all. I don’t think people think that no matter how rich they are they will still be the last ones out if a fire should occur in their building. They can think of their private elavator and how much it cost them on their long walk down the stairs.
Pretty silly to make someone responsible for an incident that wasn’t. Very lame argument.
By slg on 08.11.07 2:47 pm
Just because Dion wasn’t thought of then, doesn’t mean the perception doesn’t carry on. Is this too heady for you?
Do you think the separatist movement began the day before the FLQ crisis?
It is common for there to be a basis in history for evolving trends. You need to learn how to connect the dots, then envision the bigger picture.
I also said; “I understand the usage of these passions , but I do not think most Canadians do.”
Do you?
Would you? — Garth
touche!
I was getting tired of badgering you and your stupid minions
By Haltonjohn on 08.11.07 5:12 pm
Another candidate for anger management in Southern Ontario. Phew, glad I escaped in time!
I was getting tired of badgering you and your stupid minions
By Haltonjohn on 08.11.07 5:12 pm
And we were getting tired of your elementary school badgering.
Personal insults instead of debating the issue is very immature and insecure.
Remember the root of all anger is fear so good riddance to your fear based ignorance. Thank you Garth for throwing out the garbage
If you don’t mind coming off as some sort of bigot, I suppose you could.
Fuck off for now dick head.
The voice of Conservative thought in Halton. — Garth
By Haltonjohn on 08.11.07 5:12 pm
There will be many posts condemning HJ and many will be by Cons…even they have a sense of common decency.
Fuck off for now dick head.
The voice of Conservative thought in Halton. — Garth
By Haltonjohn on 08.11.07 5:12 pm
Well, seems HJ has finally been pushed over the edge by to reality, a common attribute of schizophrenia..
No decorum, no class, and certainly no intellect, and thusly, no surprise. It is Hell to come to realize that your dream of power has been stripped by the common folks who deal in realistic views.
By Marc on 08.11.07 2:05 pm
MPD is truly a bitchy situation. LOL
This lady may or may not win, but at least she is willing to stand up for what she believes in. More power to her, and others with the same thoughts!
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2946
If you don’t mind coming off as some sort of bigot, I suppose you could.
By Brian Dondo on 08.11.07 6:41 pm
Words from a novice sniper. LOL
You are entitled to your opinion, even though you couldn’t be further from the truth.
Please don’t try to end civil debate with catch phrases like bigot and racist. I’m far to old and wise to be diminished by such things.
By Marc on 08.11.07 5:50 pm
One reaches the stage of age that stairs and vertical elevating devices become ratherm obnoxious.
I prefer the basic bungalow myself. One level, easily accessible, and moderately adorned. Besides, the higher one gets, the farther they have to fall.
I term the situation ‘Well grounded’. LOL
Would you? — Garth
LOL!
Ladies and Gentlemen,
May we allow ourselves to move beyond an angry soul, and continue with exercising our democratic right to free speech, as afforded to us via this venue, compliments of Mr. Garth.
The voice of Conservative thought in Halton. — Garth
By Haltonjohn on 08.11.07 5:12 pm
Garth, how do we know it is the same person under “HaltonJohn”?
The other week, there was someone posting that was “Catherine”, and it certainly wasn’t me.
The IP address, among other items. — Garth
This was on rense.com
Does life exist beyond here? Possibly, so one can judge for him/her self.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw
Well stated Muskoka Bill, WRT the cost of builing up the Artic. This country can not even afford to maintian what we have now in defence, they were short 24 million and 28 million for the Navy & Air Force’s fuel tanks & Afghanistan is costing big bundles and the truth will not come out from PMSH. As far as governing from PMSH, I think it is quite safe to say he does not have the right stuff, never did and never will because he is a dictator in a very Democratic country plain and simple. He has no respect for the Media and can not stand and face Canadians in our H of C nor hold a news coference without crib sheets. So how in heavens name can he possibly run a goverment. Reformers build their strength on negative politics and I know Canadians are better than that. The sad part is he destroyed the PC party and some good reformers as well who had some good ideas that were toned down and put into play.
Now that we have all indulged ourselves in our personal agendas, might we return to the original topic of cabinet shuffles and it’s worth?
Also, seeing as this is my post, kindly consider the benefits and ramifications of “Talk of national energy grid”.
Hope does spring eternal even in the heart of the old and jaded.
By Haltonjohn on 08.11.07 5:12 pm
Garth, how do we know it is the same person under “HaltonJohn�
Doubts, doubts, doubts, questions and more questions.Seems you have been attending at the University of Life.
At age 53, I am somewhat disparaged by the realization that there are now more questions than answers.
When I reached the young age of 25, I was amazed how much my father had learned in the last 5 years.
Humbly submitted.
Wow! Things are once again getting ugly in the Garthosphere.
Anyways, a question.
Given that you clearly consider O’Conner to be a dead man walking amongst a dead government walking….could you provide any insights into where Hezbollah marching defense critic Denis Coderre might take military policy were he the minister?
Syncro
What HJ gone?? It’s about time you took out the trash. Thanks.
I’m sorry. I wasn’t aware espousing preferential treatment one person to another based on nationality belonged in the context of a civil debate.
Aha, me proud hearties! Check the meaning of Soufflé. PMSH ‘blew it’ the first time … and he’s prepared to ‘blow it’ again. Where be Fortier? Where be Emerson?
I got an e-mail from Grumpy this morning … Got some new armour, Pyotr!
To which I replied ‘tanks’ but they won’t work as part of a rapid deployment force.
Let’s see $1.3 BILLION … 25 Leopard II’s Leased … 100 purchased as ‘used.’
At one per C-17, how many trips would it take to get 125 Leopard II’s to the area of conflict?
Is that ‘nickel & diming?’
“Oh … BUT THEY’RE AIR CONDITIONED.”
But surely, that’s got to be better than delivering supplies to a forward operating base using an ATV.
Oda and Bernier both need to be backbenched badly.
By Kevin M on 08.10.07 11:11 pm
Can you say Soufflé, Kevin? Just make it light, fluffy and chock-full of nonsense like it is presently. We’ve been getting a distinct odour from Oda since she first made her spectral appearance. She short-changed Burlington on their arts centre … still owes $1.5 Million of THE FOUR PROMISED. I guess if one was to ask for “the plan,” one might receive a ‘To whom it may concern’ … from Mikey Wallace … with anything trailing the addressee line totally blacked out.
RE: Greg on a national energy grid,
I think that’s an important topic. It would certainly seem to go some way towards helping resolve Professor Gordon Laxer’s infamous quote that with SPP, “Canadians will be left freezing in the dark”*…although there’s still NAFTA’s quotas to deal with, since Canada does not have an energy exemption like Mexico got during their negotiations.
*committee meeting transcripts: http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/cmte/CommitteePublication.aspx?SourceId=208182&Lang=1&PARLSES=391&JNT=0&COM=10801 http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/cmte/CommitteePublication.aspx?COM=10801&SourceId=206021&SwitchLanguage=1
or media reports: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070528.wcoenergy28/BNStory/specialComment/ http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=bd9c0d47-7d68-4965-bd3a-4530cd4fc6f6
Wow, someone from Halton is really really angry; Why do you think this Halton John is so vulgar on this blog? Anyone care to take this on. I can’t believe that any human being can carry so much anger and baggage that they would need to vent such a disgusting piece of literature.
I’m sorry. I wasn’t aware espousing preferential treatment one person to another based on nationality belonged in the context of a civil debate.
By Brian Dondo on 08.11.07 11:13 pm
Would you mind explaining what preferential treatment you are refering to?
Are you referring to something like Quebec being perpetually the single largest recipient of equalization payments which come from British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario, and things like Trans Canada highway signs in Quebec not being bilingual? Is that the kind of preferential treatment to which you refer?
Look above to find my post re: National Energy Grid and see the statements attributed to Jean Charest. All supporters of the just society mentality need to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. To go about loosely spewing the bigot word whenever you don’t get your way, is infantile.
By Brian Dondo on 08.11.07 11:13 pm
A final thought, it has been my experience that those who quickly revert to accusations of bigotry are usually followers of the doctrine themselves.
By Chris on 08.12.07 2:12 am
Good read, thanks.
The comments re: Mr. Benoit’s behavior were interesting.
At that point, Tory MP Leon Benoit, chair of the Commons Standing Committee on International Trade which was holding the SPP hearings, ordered Laxer to halt his testimony, saying it was not relevant.
Opposition MPs called for, and won, a vote to overrule Benoit’s ruling.
Benoit then threw down his pen, declaring, “This meeting is adjourned,” and stormed out, followed by three of the panel’s four Conservative members.
The remaining members voted to finish the meeting, with the Liberal vice-chair presiding.
Benoit’s actions are virtually unprecedented, observers say; at press time, parliamentary procedure experts still hadn’t figured out whether he had the right to adjourn the meeting unilaterally. Benoit did not respond to calls for comment.
I would think this is further evidence of the need for a national daycare system. People need somewhere to put their children.
I already did once.
By Brian Dondo on 08.12.07 7:27 am
Short disingenuous snipes hardly qualify
My mistake. You asked me to explain it, not point it out. OK
You posited that what’s exceptional about Dion’s Canadian/French duality isn’t that its dual,…
but that its French.
That’s one hell of an operative premise. At this juncture I don’t see much point in spelling it out any further.
not always
Greg: Bring on the goat!!!
By Greg on 08.11.07 9:31 pm
LOL Yes, it is always amazing to youth how smart a parent can become in such a short period of time once the youth gets a taste of real life. I think it is truly one of the universal maxims.
“You posited that what’s exceptional about Dion’s Canadian/French duality isn’t that its dual, but that its French…”
I didn’t posited that, you interpreted that. Furthermore, the F word is not off limits anymore than the A word is, as you, like many before you try to make it. I’m not running for office. A spade is a spade!
I posted that the reasons Dion won’t become PM is due to the perceptions that surround his Dual citizenship, HIS performance and Quebec’s record in recent years.
If you like BS, then attend some more political rallies.
What say you Oh Great Spinmeister to the 13% popularity polls that Dion is generating?
Greg: Bring on the goat!!!
By Judy on 08.12.07 9:21 am
I’m trying, really I am, but he’s got his 4 feet firmly planted and I’m running out of breath!
“Why do you think this Halton John is so vulgar on this blog?”
Sandy, I’ll take on your question of 5:32 AM to-day. You see, Halton John (or Milton Man or whoever) is not a “natural” person, but the blogging persona of a CPC operative. His paid (or volunteer duty for future partisan consideration) is to disrupt proceedings on blogs hostile to the CPC cause. He is not there to enter the CPC message in argument against the Liberal one, but to contradict or attack in any way the Liberal line. On other blogs, he would be fingured as a “troll”, here we call him a “Death Star operative”.
Invariably, he will outlive his usefulness by being too obvious, by not being effective enough, or becoming too frustrated. So the sign is made, and the CPC creature goes out in a blaze of glory in a self-immolating personal attack on Garth. But note, there always is concurrent activity in the bullpen, and it doesn’t take long for the next operative to surface.
If you look at tgis and the following thread, you may find that Milton Moron has been replaced by Greg.
– me
I didn’t posited that, you interpreted that… – Greg
…
– Greg
if you say so.
By Allan on 08.11.07 1:38 pm
Perhaps you Garth could provide us with names of the the Dion Liberal shadow cabinet. That would also provide us with a comparison of the teams. Thank you.
It’s been posted on http://www.liberal.ca since January. — Garth
Thank you for that information, Garth, and now let’s compare the Harper cabinet with the Dion Shadow Cabinet.
Harper Government Cabinet — 31 Ministers
Dion Shadow Cabinet — 57 members
http://www.liberal.ca/cabinet_e.aspx
Why does Dion have almost twice as many shadow cabinet members? Is it Dion’s intention to have such a huge cabinet if elected to govern?
If you were named to Dion’s shadow cabinet, what would be your preference?
Cabinet ministers make an extra $70,000 or so, plus a car and driver and staff. Critics get nothing. I think Mr. Dion is a smart guy to keep people busy by asking them to be on top of current files. I manage to occupy myself. — Garth
“If you look at tgis and the following thread, you may find that Milton Moron has been replaced by Greg.”
It is forever the challenge of the elder mind to enlighten.
If you have a specific issue that you would like to discuss in a civil manner, I am eager to accommodate you, Grasshopper.
If my real approach offends your sensibilities, then maybe you need to grow another layer of skin.
Welcome to the world, as we know it!
May I point out a significant difference. The Prime Minister of Great Britain didn’t come to Canada and stand on a balcony delivering a divisive speech which has had untold ramifications.
- Greg
if you say so.
By Brian Dondo on 08.12.07 12:43 pm
Do you challenge the validity of this statement?
By Brian Dondo on 08.12.07 12:43 pm
You have yet to post a single item substantiating your non existent positions. What say you spinmiester to Dion’s 13% popularity rating?
If you continue to refuse to answer and take a position, how do expect anyone to take you seriously? Let me bestow upon you a touch of wisdom. Everyone has an opinion, and everyone has an arsehole. Often the arsehole is more valuable.
Out of a sense of responsibility, were I to make a statement like that I would make a point of disavowing its sentiment immediately if not beforehand.
I question in intent if its objectivity.
Dammit Man! MacKay go to Industry?
That won’t do at all. What the hell is Rice supposed to do? She’s supposed to be Giuliani’s running mate next year and needs a Handsome Boytoy to go to events in Swing States, such as PA, Jersey, and New Mexico.
MacKay was freaking perfect. He could stand there and look handsome and not be expected to actually say anything. After all, as Canadian FM, he wouldn’t be allowed to comment on American domestic affairs, nor even say a bad word about that horrid Mrs. Clinton.
MacKay and Condi could walkabout as a Hot Couple and, if Giuliani won, he’d probably be able to get a better deal on potatoes for those poor buggers in the Maritimes. But now, over at Industry, he might as well be Ronald McDonald.
Everyone that has an arshole has a belly as well; where is your arshole; and where is your belly buttonlocated? Go figure.
I question in intent if its objectivity.
By Brian Dondo on 08.12.07 8:44 pm
Your non positions aren’t leaving much wiggle room are they?
You have nothing to say.
“If you look at tgis and the following thread, you may find that Milton Moron has been replaced by Greg.”
Greg, I fully, humbly and unreservedly apologize for the typo in “tgis”. It should have been “this”, of course. The rest of yesterday’s 10:20 AM comment stands.
I leave it up to you to prove me wrong by showing the advertised “real approach” vice the CRAP line. So far, you certainly walk and talk like the usual Death Star operative, although I can’t quite place your comments on the “Consequences” thread.
THE intent. damn typos. I question THE intent of its objectivity.
Call that nothing it you like. I don’t. and I’m not afraid to put my full name behind it.
By Herb on 08.13.07 8:00 am
Then ponder it some more.
I’ve noticed your operatives penchant for catch phrases, Death star, bigot and such.
By Brian Dondo on 08.13.07 8:29 am
Deflect and dodge. Poor lawyering at best.
The accuracy of this statement, questionable though it is, is irrelevant to the effect of the method of its presentation. If you don’t care to distance yourself from the impact of the bigotry you presume to report, so be it.
Your record is stuck and it’s a tired old song. Kinda shrieking too, don’t you think?
As Jack Nicholson said in A Few Good Men, “The truth! You can’t handle the truth!”
By Brian Dondo on 08.13.07 10:11 am
So you are professing the value of the speech.
Poor Chuck Strahl has an inoperable form of lung cancer, from asbestos exposure long before he became Ag Minister, and Immigration Minister Diane Finley has a thyroid condition that’s forced here to wear concealing sunglasses for the past year. –Garth
Does this really belong in a post gloating about the failings of ministers?
“If you don’t care to distance yourself from the impact of the bigotry you presume to report, so be it.”
By Brian Dondo on 08.13.07 10:11 am
The B word again. Such venom.
May I suggest a nice political rally as therapy.
You have as much as admitted your own bigotry, even in the absence of making any meaningful comments. So your perceptions are viewed relatively.
I still have too much faith in human nature to value the observation as you would like to imply.
I didn’t expect the phrase “disavowing its sentiment” to register with you.
I still have too much faith in human nature to value the observation as you would like to imply.
By Brian Dondo on 08.13.07 3:11 pm
Or as you would like to interpret and push on others.
“I didn’t expect the phrase “disavowing its sentiment†to register with you.”
By Brian Dondo on 08.13.07 3:19 pm
You haven’t said a single word that I didn’t understand. Once again, it is you who miss the meaning of the words. Reread your own posts.
By Brian Dondo on 08.13.07 3:19 pm
Golda Mayer once said, “Don’t be humble, your not that great.”
Change humble, insert aloof.
heh. that answers that question.
By Brian Dondo on 08.13.07 5:39 pm
Back to the one liners. Perhaps I should have said, Don’t aspire to be aloof, your not that great. I didn’t want to change too many words and confuse you further.
Change humble, insert aloof.
heh. that answers that question.
By Brian Dondo on 08.13.07 5:39 pm
I doubt you have found any answers, but have confidence in your ability to assume.
“I believe in only one thing: liberty; But I do not believe in liberty enough to force it upon anyone.”
H.L. Mencken
Starting to follow the train of thought now Grasshopper?
Shortly, I will let you in on a little secret, but not yet. Soon, but not yet!