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mptvsmall10.jpg One of the things MPtv strives to do that our big brothers in the MSM just don’t have time for, is to bring you the faces and voices of MPs with a cause. As you might imagine, Parliament is made up of many bright people who are not content to let the government and its bureaucratic support staff write all our laws. These are the ones who use Private Members bills, often with surprising success, often with dogged determination in the face of disappointment.

szabo11.jpg Paul Szabo is one of them. For the past dozen years he has fought the demon of Fetal Alcohol Syndrone, speaking out against it, writing a book on its dangers and working to force the booze industry to adopt warning labels on their products.

Is he any closer today than he was years ago? Is he daunted or discouraged? Judge for yourself.

Meanwhile, an MP who came to this country in 1974, and whose family was profoundly influenced by one prime minister, is now actively pursuing an annual memorial to him.

silva11.jpg Toronto-area member Mario Silva has introduced a PMB to establish a Pierre Trudeau day to honour the man who brought us multiculturalism, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, bilingualism, the NEP and perhaps more controversy than any other leader. Is it a good idea, or just a divisive one? Judge by having a look here.

82 comments ↓

#1 Harry S on 10.25.07 at 11:59 am

Excellent, interesting blog entry there Garth, but you underestimate your own modest contribution to our political life with your MPtv and vigorous and open weblog. You are right up with those guys, except that you don’t seem to have a PMB to call your own.

Perhaps all your faithful weblog forum supporters could suggest what you might propose for a PMB.

How about this.

Rather than having a holiday named after some long dead Queen or dead Prime Minister, shouldn’t we have a holiday for the nation’s living Prime Minister and leader of the country?

A celebration day for the leader of our country would show the world that we Canadians stand behind our Prime Minister while other countries may revile their leaders. What a great motivational holiday this would be!!

A PM Stephen Harper Day ..

or PM Stephane Dion Day ..
or PM Michael Ignatieff Day ..
or PM Garth … oh well let’s not go there yet.

#2 Zorpheous on 10.25.07 at 12:11 pm

From another thread, Leasa,…

Hey Zorphy….do you supply a picture of yourself on your site? If so, could you please provide an url? We’d all like to inspect it for perfection…obviously since you feel you have a right to comment about someone’s weight, you must be pretty buff right? Leasa

By Leasa on 10.25.07 11:07 am

Certainly, always willing to accommodate a fan. Just go to,…

http://thewinguterer.blogspot.com/

Notice the perfect form. ;-)

#3 Jim on 10.25.07 at 12:14 pm

So a liberal MP was influenced by Trudeau. So we should have a national holiday remembering Trudeau?

This is too much.There is obviously too many MPs and senators. There’s nothing for them to do. Idle minds become….stupid.

#4 Lorraine on 10.25.07 at 12:14 pm

Harry – would that be like “President’s Day” in the United States?

#5 slg on 10.25.07 at 12:23 pm

Harry S – your comment was just plain stupid.

Keep trying the bashing – it shows the CPC mentality for what it is.

While I’m here – this is just too funny – I have an elderly aunt (90) and as sharp as a whip. She has always been a staunch bible-thumping conservative and is she angry. She said (re: the Throne Speech) that she cannot believe that a PM of Canada would Americanize our traditions. She also said he (Harper) has the eyes of lucifer and the eyes are the mirror of the soul – she will not be voting Conservative next time. She thinks he’s evil. I was stunned because she was always a Conservative.

#6 Jonnay on 10.25.07 at 12:28 pm

Hairy Steve … you really ran outta material, eh?

#7 Elias on 10.25.07 at 12:33 pm

It is an interesting idea, however, in all fairness, I doubt it will ever pass and will only trigger a lot of anti-Trudeau hysteria.

No doubt he is greatly loved in much of Canada, particularly in the riding where Mr. Silva lives.

He was a strong defender of the right of individuals to live their lives as they wished (as opposed to living their lives in compliance with government imposed morality), which is why he helped to enshrine those rights in the Charter.

He is also deeply despised by those who hate freedom and individual rights as protected in our Charter (bigots, racists, separatists and social CONservatives).

He may have been a PM who deserved a day of honour…but so was MacDonald, Laurier, King, and Pearson to name a few. To give PET a day of honour while not doing the same to the others is, in my opinion, unfair. Instead, I suggest we replace Victoria’s Day with a day to honour all our past PM’s (great or otherwise). Regardless of what we may think of them, they all served our country by doing a thankless job that, given the difficulty of it, certainly doesn’t pay very well.

#8 Stephen M on 10.25.07 at 12:36 pm

I am all in favour of a PM Stephen Harper Day! A wonderful idea! As befitting the man and what he has reduced federal politics to, I nominate February 30th as the day for it to be on!

#9 Gary V on 10.25.07 at 12:41 pm

never has a man done so much damage to a country other that Trudeau. We had no debt untill he showed up.

#10 Michael on 10.25.07 at 1:05 pm

FASD is a cruel and life long punishment inflicted on the innocent and its eradication or abatement is a noble cause that must be supported by all people of good conscious. Paul Szabo
needs all the support he can get in this great but daunting task. Good on you ,Paul…you are a man of principle and high ideals. History and fate will exact a great vengance on all those who oppose this great and worthehile endeavour and, even those who can but chose not to aid you in this task will have much to answer for.
As for a special PET day…in due course.

#11 Robert Carley on 10.25.07 at 1:20 pm

There are many other individuals -current and past – who have contributed much more to this country than a Prime Minister. Trudeau was not necessarily that admired, especially once you got past the Ontario border and headed west.

He certainly managed to increase the country’s debt and deficit. I admired him at the time, but in retrospect, many of his actions now may not be judged as that beneficial to the country.

#12 LoH_Numa on 10.25.07 at 1:22 pm

I think we ought to have a Prime Minister’s day in June. Take the partisan stink right out of it.

We could honour all the prime ministers on that day.

And then celebrate the fact that there is no such thing as a Canadian Hero.

#13 Edward Palonek on 10.25.07 at 1:26 pm

Fantastic article, many thanks. Edward Palonek

#14 Marc on 10.25.07 at 1:27 pm

While it is admirable of Mr.Szabo to want to have warning labels regarding FAS, but would a bottle of beer not be cluttered with warnings if every danger of alcohol was labeled on the container? Alcohol can lead to domestic abuse, should there be a warning label for that? Alcohol impairs ones ability to operate heavy machinery, do we need another warning label? Alcohol abuse can cause liver damage, another warning label needed. Alcohol can lead to unwanted pregnacies. Alcohol can cause myself to sleep with people I otherwise would not sleep with. Where would the labels stop?

#15 Christian Conservative on 10.25.07 at 1:37 pm

Garth, if you spent more time on things like this post, rather than attacking someone who many of us feel is doing a good job, you could actually be more successful in making Parliament more relavant, and informing the public about what really goes on within those hallowed walls.

#16 Elias on 10.25.07 at 1:47 pm

Stephen M: Brilliant Idea! Yes, HARPO DAY, February 30th. What the hey, lets make it a whole weekend, February 30 and 31!

#17 Michael on 10.25.07 at 1:57 pm

Re: Marc 1:27

Marc, you have the mien of the mean, plus you suffer from convoluted thinking and cannot see the forest because of the trees.

#18 Milton man on 10.25.07 at 1:59 pm

I think we should name a shortbread cookie with green sugar sprinkled on top, a Dion. Yummy.

#19 Ed Brooks on 10.25.07 at 2:01 pm

By Christian Conservative on 10.25.07 1:37 pm

Indeed, you catch more flys with honey…

#20 Emilie on 10.25.07 at 2:02 pm

never has a man done so much damage to a country other that Trudeau. We had no debt untill he showed up.

By Gary V on 10.25.07 12:41 pm

When Trudeau took office in 1968 Canada had a debt of $18 billion (24% of GDP)

In 1968 $18 billion was a lot of money.

#21 Dr.Jim on 10.25.07 at 2:05 pm

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is caused in the first trimester of pregnancy, when the infant’s brain is forming. The alcohol causes the brain to malform and this becomes a lifelong curse to that unfortunate person. Most of those in our prisons are afflicted with FAS.

I suspect most FAS babies are born to women who did not know they were pregnant, and they continued to booze and even shoot drugs for the first and second month, and if they were addicted, they would continue their damaging behaviour to the fetus.

In Canada we have just over 100,000 abortions annually, and it is probable that if most of these babies were held to term, they too would be cursed with FAS. If these babies were saved, we in Canada would be flooded with enormous medical and social costs.

#22 Ed Brooks on 10.25.07 at 2:09 pm

Re: Special Day to honour Trudeau. Don’t make me gag!

Of all the Prime Ministers to pick, he would be the worst.

He is the one that created our sense of entitlement. You know, all the social programs and gold plated benefits that our children’s children’s children are going to pay for.

And that damn constitution he ‘patriated’ has been the most divisive thing to come along in our history. One province is not even a signator to the document and there is that god awful notwithstanding clause. And let’s not forget the constitutional disfunction in this country. You can’t even discuss the damn thing without causing the country to tear apart.

It is a seriously flawed document and the only reason we have it is because of his colossal ego and ambition to go down in history as a great man. If he had cared about Canada, this document would never have been implemented.

A day for him? Oy!

#23 jim on 10.25.07 at 2:26 pm

While I’m here – this is just too funny – I have an elderly aunt (90) and as sharp as a whip. She has always been a staunch bible-thumping conservative and is she angry. She said (re: the Throne Speech) that she cannot believe that a PM of Canada would Americanize our traditions. She also said he (Harper) has the eyes of lucifer and the eyes are the mirror of the soul – she will not be voting Conservative next time. She thinks he’s evil. I was stunned because she was always a Conservative.

By slg on 10.25.07 12:23 pm

And your point would Be???

#24 Bill-Muskoka on 10.25.07 at 2:29 pm

Garth,

How about a PMB declaring a ‘Unsung Heroes Day’? We can honour all the citizens who never get recognition for their acts of bravery and kindness.

PM’s do NOT need a day of recognition. they already have enough perks and a fat paycheque. Besides, it is too American for my tastes.

#25 jim on 10.25.07 at 2:30 pm

There are many other individuals -current and past – who have contributed much more to this country than a Prime Minister. Trudeau was not necessarily that admired, especially once you got past the Ontario border and headed west.

He certainly managed to increase the country’s debt and deficit. I admired him at the time, but in retrospect, many of his actions now may not be judged as that beneficial to the country.

By Robert Carley on 10.25.07 1:20 pm

As well as shut down the vibrant Alberta oil and gas industry with the national energy program. Office towers empty, high unemployment, devasted economy just so central Canada could have cheap gasoline.

#26 James- Chatham on 10.25.07 at 2:40 pm

In Canada we have just over 100,000 abortions annually, and it is probable that if most of these babies were held to term, they too would be cursed with FAS. If these babies were saved, we in Canada would be flooded with enormous medical and social costs.

By Dr.Jim on 10.25.07 2:05 pm

Your description on the consequences of TAS was excellent until the above. Can you prove your numbers, that is, that most would have FAS? Do the Ministries of Health track alcohol consuption vs. abortions? I doubt it.

#27 C. B. Innes on 10.25.07 at 2:43 pm

With regard to the Trudeau Day issue it would be far too divisive.

Trudeau was a controversial Prime Minister. While many Liberals see him as their “hero” that concept is based on political success and partisanship not merely on anything positive he might have achieved.

In fact, one could say the unintended consequences of his actions is the increasing level of disrespect within our political system. A Prime Minister’s Day, which equally recognizes our political leaders, would be far more acceptable and far less partisan.

#28 ann d on 10.25.07 at 2:57 pm

Harper day your funny The worst pm we ever had .Hope not for long

#29 Captain George on 10.25.07 at 2:59 pm

Just who is full of the most CRAP?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/359

#30 Zorpheous on 10.25.07 at 3:01 pm

This is too much.There is obviously too many MPs and senators. There’s nothing for them to do. Idle minds become….stupid.

By Jim on 10.25.07 12:14 pm

Oh come on, think of the fun we have,… why we could burn P.E.T. in effigy while we give him the one finger salute. LOL

#31 irene on 10.25.07 at 3:03 pm

By Christian Conservative on 10.25.07 1:37 pm

I guess you haven’t heard that politics & religion is one subject you stay away from.

Cheers

#32 Transcanada on 10.25.07 at 3:11 pm

It’s a long and tedious battle sometimes and I admire guys like Paul Szabo for fighting it.

Then you got guys like Woolhouse trying to pull the Wool over everyones eyes with non-facts about how the IT market is doing so very well. Poor Jim Flaherty needs our sympathy for being unfairly persecuted because he loaded up more taxes on Income Trusts. What nonsense.

I feel not a sliver of sympathy for Flaherty or for guys like Woolhouse who champion his cause.

#33 LoH_Numa on 10.25.07 at 3:11 pm

Canadians tend to character assassinate anybody who has done anything good for Canada.

Prime Ministers included.

It makes me think less of some Canadians to be honest.

I think Trudeau was just as great as Tupper and McDonald. Sure, they had their faults, but which Canadian doesn’t?

Sometimes I think the people who just like to throw feces at our Heroes as being just really small, almost pathetic people.

#34 Michael on 10.25.07 at 3:13 pm

RE: DR.Jim 2.05

You can’t be real!!! if you are you can’t be serious. If you are real and serious, you are dangerous.

#35 Jonnay on 10.25.07 at 3:23 pm

And your point would Be???

By jim on 10.25.07 2:26 pm

That whoever doesn’t get the point needs to see a doctor. Now go back to your corner in the PMO!

#36 David Bakody on 10.25.07 at 3:39 pm

Election Day 2008, “The Day Canadians Got Their Country Back”

I can see the dancing in the streets as Steve Harper is called the White House to explain how he lost neo conservative control north. Now thats cause for a National Holliday that over 75% of Canadians can jump with glee for.

#37 Michael on 10.25.07 at 3:43 pm

Let’s have a Harper day and erect a statue of him in honour of his resurecting the Pinnochio story. On the base we will have enscribed:
HARPER-THE ABOMITABLE SHOW MAN
We can also have one for Layton, one for Duceppe and if we buy three we get a free one that we can use for Flaherity.
On Layton’s we will enscribe:
THE ABOMITABLE BLOW MAN
On Duceppes’s:
THE ABDOMITABLE STRAWMAN
And on Flaherity’s Just YETI, as in yet ‘e hasn’t got a clue what a Finance Minister should do, yet ‘e doesn’t give a damn about other peoples money, yet ‘e has a whole lot more damage to do,and yet ‘e doesnt know ‘is ass from his elbow.
Yes, and we will declare Feb. 30, 31, and 32 and 33 their special days and have Eileen set the statues up just at the top of Rideau Falls.

#38 Bill-Muskoka on 10.25.07 at 3:50 pm

Will Manley’s panel of ‘experts’ include this analysis in their report?

NATO has “lost” in Afghanistan, a former UN envoy tells a British newspaper

#39 Greg W., Oakville on 10.25.07 at 4:29 pm

Hi Dr. Jim,

Yes FAS is costing us all lots! It is such a lose of human potental and suffuring, especially if it is yourself or someone in your direct family with it.

FYI: How much is fluoride added to our drinking water, costing us all in lower IQ and medical costs, from exposure to this toxic waste stuff?!
For more info. goto.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/

#40 Tim N on 10.25.07 at 4:33 pm

For some unknown reason – I clicked a link onto Steve Janke’s site…seems that the Cons are suing the Liberals for libel in regards to the “allegation” that the Cons broke election laws? This can’t be serious, can it?

#41 Marc on 10.25.07 at 5:04 pm

By Michael on 10.25.07 3:43 pm

Great idea Michael except that you left out the Liberals party. We could have a statue of jellyfish. Or at least 1 to represent the leader.

#42 Scotty on 10.25.07 at 5:04 pm

Pierre Trudeau day what a stupid ideal. If you want to make a holiday make a holiday that stands for all canadian prime ministers not for one. Prime Minister Day (sometime in Feb) ..BTW Canada has not made Remembrance day (Nov 11) a statutory holiday yet?? What gives on that??

#43 Leasa on 10.25.07 at 5:05 pm

Hey Zorph, your link didn’t work, but that’s okay, I found it here:

http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/uploaded_images/SaddlePig2WeeksNursDSCF3456-767083.jpg

TTFN Leasa

#44 Pat. G. on 10.25.07 at 5:13 pm

Having watched Paul Szabo advocate for his cause (over CPAC), I agree he is a high-minded and very effective MP. I’m thankful he has taken up this cause because, as Dr. Jim say, it is a life-long handicap on the lives of many innocent children, who often try to improve but who are frustrated by the brain damage that causes behavioral problems and life-long sadness.

I hope this money-grubbing new-con government won’t stand in the way of getting this warning on labels to inform those who, on their own, wouldn’t give the consequences a second thought.

#45 Bill-Muskoka on 10.25.07 at 5:35 pm

By Michael on 10.25.07 3:43 pm

As to the proposed February holiday…Please remember that McSquinty also has scheduled a ‘Family Day for that month.

It will take years of wrangling between Ottawa and Queen’s Park to ‘equalize’ such a thing.

We could be all inclusive with an’All Idiots Day’, that coincides with the American President’s Day.

Another fine idea brought to you by John Manley and the secret SPP/NAU Stink Tank.

#46 Elias on 10.25.07 at 5:40 pm

Tim N: I saw the link too. From what I have seen, the CON’s have NOT commenced a lawsuit, they just issued a notice of intent. A notice of intent is NOT a lawsuit. It is the legal equivalent of “we are thinking of suing you, and some day we just might, so watch out”.

The exact legal term for what the CONs are doing is conservo populus nullus orbis quod posse bupkis

Translation: We CONservatives have no balls and we’ve got bupkis.

If they were serious, they would issue a statement of claim. When, and if, they ever grow a set, then things may change.

I hope they do sue. I can’t think of a better way to broadcast to the nation that the CONs are stealing our money then by having them launch a public legal action against people trying to inform the public about it.

#47 Zorpheous on 10.25.07 at 6:17 pm

Cons are suing the Liberals for libel in regards to the “allegation” that the Cons broke election laws? This can’t be serious, can it?
By Tim N on 10.25.07 4:33 pm

If it is true, it is a SLAP suit designed to stop people from talking about. While the legal action is permissable it is an abuse of the law. Welcome to the New Canada under Harper people, where you can be sued for your political opinion, and those whom have the deepest pockets are allowed freedom of speech.

#48 Jean on 10.25.07 at 7:06 pm

Good story. It’s nice to see you write without the hate and anger you’ve been full of lately. It’s a breath of fresh air!

#49 Puzzled on 10.25.07 at 7:08 pm

What was Marcel Proulx talking about today?

#50 SJ on 10.25.07 at 7:23 pm

For some unknown reason – I clicked a link onto Steve Janke’s site…seems that the Cons are suing the Liberals for libel in regards to the “allegation” that the Cons broke election laws? This can’t be serious, can it?

By Tim N on 10.25.07 4:33 pm

Doesn’t get much more american than frivolous lawsuits tying up our court systems.

If this is true, how sad and pathetic do you have to be? If political parties started suing each other over such things we wouldn’t have a government left.

#51 Conan on 10.25.07 at 7:45 pm

How common is it for a Canadian to ask their MP to table a PMB?

Has it happend much and if so any success?

#52 james t on 10.25.07 at 7:49 pm

Trudeau Day would go over great in the province of Quebec that he left out of the constitution.
Trudeau Day would go over great in Alberta where he screwed them with National Energy Program.
I hate Harper, but Trudeau was so much worse and isn’t that a very scary thought?
Let him rest in hell.

#53 Judy on 10.25.07 at 7:50 pm

I do not believe Remembrance Day should be a holiday. We all want our children to learn about and honour our service people who fought for us.
How will our children learn if they have this day off?
Do you not realize the amount of Remembrance that is observed in every school in Canada during the week of November 11?
If November 11 becomes a national holiday our children will be less informed. I expect most will be outdoors playing or indoors playing video games or watching the tube on November 11.
And what if November 11 falls on a Wednesday–will you then want to move that day to the nearest Friday or Monday to make a long weekend?
I am glad that our children are in school observing Remembrance Day-the majority would not be observing it at home.

#54 Zorpheous on 10.25.07 at 7:51 pm

Hey Zorph, your link didn’t work, but that’s okay, I found it here:

TTFN Leasa

By Leasa on 10.25.07 5:05 pm

Dear Leasa,

I’m not that cute ;-)

#55 Leasa on 10.25.07 at 7:57 pm

By Elias on 10.25.07 5:40 pm

Uh, you should get some education on the matter. These ‘allegations’ have nothing to do with tax payer’s money. It is nothing like the theft of millions of tax payer’s dollars that the Liberals pulled off while in power. I repeat, this has nothing to do with tax payer’s dollars. I wonder, when it is proven that the CPC did not break any laws, will Dion have the balls to publicly apologise? L

You are wrong. There is about $700,000 in public money at stake in alleged fraudulant candidate rebates. — Garth

#56 James- Chatham on 10.25.07 at 8:11 pm

If it is true, it is a SLAP suit designed to stop people from talking about.

By Zorpheous on 10.25.07 6:17 pm

Does that include the suspension of Parliamentary priviledge on the issue, where a MP can say just about anything except calling an honourable gentleman/woman a liar?

Then what happens when QP is broadcast?

If Harper wants to get into SLAP orders I’m sure some of the Cons spin/exaggerations concerning the Liberal Party and the adscam could also lead to such a SLAP suit against him.

#57 Bonnie L on 10.25.07 at 8:36 pm

Speaking of private memeber bills:

I have hope that the Quebec MP who was working on a private members bill to allow “Physician Assisted Suicide” will bring it to the house again soon.

Orgeon has an excellent law which allows their terminally ill citizens to die with dignity. http://www.deathwithdignity.org/

As a health care professional, I have seen too many people suffer too much. We treat our pets better than our loved ones legally.

I think it is time for Canadian law to achknowledge the people’s will and institute a “Death with Dignity law” which allows dying patients to control their own end-of-life care

#58 Bill-Muskoka on 10.25.07 at 8:56 pm

By Zorpheous on 10.25.07 6:17 pm

And when the Judge throws it out as groundless and frivolous, then fines the Plaintiff for all court costs, lawyer’s fees for the defense, and perhaps punitive damges, they will realize that harper does NOT control our judiciary.

Let them play the game, but make they don’t leave home without their chequebook. Call it an ‘equalization’ payment, eh?

#59 Ron Heaps on 10.25.07 at 9:12 pm

Trudeau, who inflicted on us the five items you mentioned, should indeed be recognised – as the author of the mess this once-proud Country is now in. How about a ‘Pierre Trudeau day` like Guy Fawkes day? Although, in retrospect, Fawkes probably had the right idea.

#60 keith phibbs on 10.25.07 at 9:28 pm

Conservative lie of the day.
Tories accused of lying about Afghanistan
10 more years for Afghan security, says Hillier

October 25, 2007
Bill Graveland
Canadian Press
http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/272197

#61 Charles Oxley on 10.25.07 at 9:33 pm

FINALLY! An American sees the reality of what the rest of the world has known for a good few years!

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-brooks24oct25%2C0%2C7749742.column?coll=la-util-opinion-commentary

#62 Charles Oxley on 10.25.07 at 9:38 pm

Most PC users already know of this virus — here is the latest update.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071025-storm-worm-going-out-with-a-bang-mounts-ddos-attacks-against-researchers.html

#63 Charles Oxley on 10.25.07 at 9:44 pm

According to this report, oil may hit $150/barrel (US$) in the very near future.

At least I can’t drive!

http://www.isecureonline.com/Reports/DRI/EDRIH512/

#64 Charles Oxley on 10.25.07 at 9:48 pm

I understand these people are supposed to be financial geniuses.

There is hope for me yet!

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article3093848.ece

#65 Charles Oxley on 10.25.07 at 9:55 pm

Some individuals may find this plausible, others (like myself) end up laughing so hard at this utterly insane piece of garbage for journalism, it’s like Terry Jones in MPFC where he says “Oooohh — I wet ‘em!”

I forgot — Bill O’Reilly works for FOX, so it must be true!

http://www.infowars.net/articles/october2007/251007Wildfires.htm

#66 John G on 10.25.07 at 10:00 pm

A day for him? Oy!

By Ed Brooks on 10.25.07 2:09 pm

You forgot multiculturalism….a total disaster for most immigrants….

We should just call it “guy who screwed up the country and set it back 25 years Day”……

#67 Mary on 10.25.07 at 10:14 pm

Big to-do today about Stockwell Day agreeing with Condi Rice about Mahar Arar being wronged.

I remember a few years ago, talking to my cool-aid drinking neo-con brother about the case of Mahar Arar.

“Oh, He’s a TERRORIST” He said. As if, that’s it, case closed, Terrorist.

This was the Harper/Day thought line at the time. I seem to recall them standing up in the HOC to denounce Arar. So what do they say now? Typically, they change with the mood of the country, try to reflect back what might be the popular thought of the day.

When will people wake up to the fact that these people have no principles.

I am disgusted by this. Not because I believe that once thought of a terrorist, always a terrorist. But because these opportunistic people keep changing their public persona like mood rings. Anything to garner a vote. It must twist them up inside to flip flop on so many issues like they do.

Harper is a total disaster.

#68 Ed Brooks on 10.25.07 at 10:55 pm

By John G on 10.25.07 10:00 pm

What’s wrong? We finally agree on something…

#69 Lorraine on 10.26.07 at 12:20 am

Garth – no matter how many opposition motions you put in place the Conservatives have a policy platform endorsed by the grass roots. No secrets – it has been in the public domain since 2005 and pretty well all of Harper’s proposals for our country steer in a well defined direction.
Here’s part of the policy on taxes:

19. Tax Relief

i) A Conservative Government will provide immediate and long-term broad based tax relief, starting with reducing personal income tax rates and substantially raising both the Basic Personal Exemption and the Spousal Exemption under the Income Tax Act. Reducing personal income taxes will hike the take home pay and raise the living standard of all Canadians.

ii) A Conservative Government will reduce business taxes. Reducing business taxes would encourage both foreign and domestic businesses to invest in Canada, meaning more and better jobs for Canadian workers. Lower business taxes mean greater returns for pension plan members and those who own RRSPs, mutual funds and common shares.

iii) A Conservative Government will reduce capital gains taxes. Lower capital gains taxes encourage saving and investment which means more capital for Canadian businesses, more jobs for Canadian workers and bigger returns for Canadian investors.

iv) A Conservative Government will reduce payroll taxes. Payroll taxes that exceed the amount necessary to properly fund Employment Insurance are a tax on job creation. Lower payroll taxes encourage hiring and business expansion.

v) Canada’s tax system must be built on a foundation of fairness. The Conservative Party will take steps to close loopholes such as the use of offshore tax havens which erode the Canadian tax base and allow companies to avoid paying Canadian taxes.

#70 Paul Szabo MP on 10.26.07 at 12:26 am

I really appreciate the opportunity Garth has provided to MPs to share with his readers a little info about our personal initiatives. Private Members Bills rarely pass but always raise public awareness. That may just inspire others to join the advocacy effort for meaningful action on significant issues. Thanks Garth and especially the readers for the constructive feedback.

#71 Leasa on 10.26.07 at 8:19 am

By Mary on 10.25.07 10:14 pm

Good morning Mary, I am surprised that the U.S. would mention Arar at all. He is in the process of suing them for many millions of dollars, to add to the collection of millions he just got from the Canadian government. Usually, when someone is before the courts or has given intent, the first thing any lawyer tells their client is to ’shut up’. L

#72 Leasa on 10.26.07 at 8:26 am

You are wrong. There is about $700,000 in public money at stake in alleged fraudulent candidate rebates. — Garth

I could be wrong, but that’s what I heard a couple of journalists saying, that they thought this was frivolous in terms of all the important matters concerning Canadians at the moment, and this didn’t even involve theft of tax payer’s money. Now the question still stands; will Dion publicly apologise when he is proven wrong on this? Also, why do you guys insist on using the word ‘alleged’ outside the house, but out right accuse within? Are you not sure of your ‘allegations’?

Leasa

#73 slg on 10.26.07 at 9:06 am

I can’t believe the stupidity. Declaring a Pierre Trudeau day doesn’t mean a national holiday – it’s just declaring a day named for him on his birthday.

DUH!

#74 Elias on 10.26.07 at 9:45 am

Leasa: As I understand your last point, it is OK, in your opinion, for CPC pickpockets to defraud the system by $700,000.00 b/c there are “bigger things afoot”. What bigger thing is there than the integrity of government?

Oh, one last thing, will Harper apologize to the house and to the people of Canada for swindling the taxpayers out of $700,000.00 when it is finally determined that the CPC was wrong? Will they return the money? Will he reimburse the taxpayers for the cost of his personal style consultant or for his numerous personal uses of government aircraft?

#75 Leasa on 10.26.07 at 10:29 am

By Elias on 10.26.07 9:45 am

Do you actually read what you are replying to? Leasa

#76 Leasa on 10.26.07 at 10:35 am

By Paul Szabo MP on 10.26.07 12:26 am

Hello Mr. Szabo, I have an uncle who is FAS. When my grandmother was pregnant with him, she was working full time at a fish factory, had two other young children and a husband who was M.I.A. and had not been seen since he left to fight over-seas. You can imagine the state my grandmother was in. Her doctor instructed her to drink whisky to ‘calm her nerves’, she was in her first trimester. My uncle has lived in group homes since the age of 16 because he could not be managed at home. Sad. We love him dearly and bring him home to visit often, and I always wonder what could have been… Leasa

#77 Ed Brooks on 10.26.07 at 11:04 am

I can’t believe the stupidity. Declaring a Pierre Trudeau day doesn’t mean a national holiday – it’s just declaring a day named for him on his birthday.

I can’t believe the stupidity in naming a day for an arrogant, rude, egotistical and selfserving man like PET.

#78 Elias on 10.26.07 at 11:19 am

Leasa: Yes, I do read what I am replying to. Do you?

Cheers

ED: Do you prefer a day for an arrogant, rude, egotistical, un-elected, prudish and self-serving woman like Queen Victoria? Fact is I, and many others, would rather have a day to honour PET, Pearson, Joe Clarke or even Steven Harper than a day to honour a foreign head of state.

Have a nice weekend.

#79 Bill-Muskoka on 10.26.07 at 6:02 pm

By Elias on 10.26.07 11:19 am

Actually, she was not a foreign Head of State back then, she was our Queen. I agree with your point as Victoria, actually her husband, were the epitome of moral silliness. She also commissioned Darwin to go find a reason to let the poor die and purge england’s welfare roles. VOILA! Evolution was born, problem solved. ‘They will never amount to anything because they are, well inferior and can’t evolve!’

I took a walk through Muskoka woods once…and, therefore,I have a theory of evolution too, because I saw things I had never seen before. Redneck IQ’s, hence ignorance is directly related to the Black Fly population.

They will never evolve so feed them to Lord of The Flies asap!

#80 C. B. Innes on 10.26.07 at 6:40 pm

Leasa on 10.26.07 8:26 am,

The Conservatives used the “in and out” scheme to increase the limit for spending on their election campaign. More important as far as taxpayers are concerned they believe that this scheme should entitle them to around $700,000 of taxpayer funded rebates.

It is the Conservative Party that is taking Elections Canada to court get that $700,000. This court case will also cost taxpayers. LOL, this reminds me of Dave Dingwalls “I am entitled to my entitlements.”

I would not be surprised that the media have been intimidated into downplaying the issue by Conservative treats of lawsuits.

#81 Lawrence Garvin on 10.26.07 at 9:08 pm

CB Innes; I would not be surprised that the media have been intimidated into downplaying the issue by Conservative treats of lawsuits.

You wouldn’t be surprised? Is that an expression of your jaded worldview in general, or is it particular suspicion that you don’t want to state directly in case you’re asked to support it?

I’ve already stated my objections to the “in and out” transactions and I still feel they are slightly unsavoury, but… there was absolutely nothing illegal about them and the Conservatives have a perfectly legitimate argument to make that Elections Canada has over-stepped it’s mandate. Perhaps the media is not making a big fuss over the issue because the media understands that this is simply not much of a controversy. The Cons used some “unrealized” expense room at the local level to maximize their ad spending. It’s certainly ‘pushing the envelope’ but there is not one credible voice in the entire country who can state that the law was broken – it simply wasn’t.

Did I say no credible voice? Yes I did. Stephane Dion made the accusation in the HoC safe under the umbrella of parliamentary privilege but declined – quite specifically – to repeat the slander outside of that immunity protection.

So tell me, CB, if you think the law was broken; how was it broken? Please be specific.

#82 Bill-Muskoka on 10.26.07 at 10:19 pm

LMAO at Larry

The Cons used some “unrealized” expense room at the local level to maximize their ad spending.

That is like saying the robber figured out how to turn a profit at the convenience store. Yes, and it is not even Saturday Night, so no specials are offered.

BTW, is your real name Maytag? You know, like the Master Spin cycle or reality?

Have a great weekend fuming and pissing into your own face Larry. I am sure you are quite used to the experence.

See you Sunday, or when I determine the timing is right!