As you know by now, it was a bizarre scene in the House of Commons Tuesday. Rob Nicholson, the justice minister, looked more hesitant and crestfallen than I have seen him in all the years that I’ve known the man from Niagara Falls. His normally sparkling eyes were flat and his voice, though strong, lacked its normal edgy note of conviction.
He was beat, or he was untruthful. In either case, here was a man uncomfortable in his skin.
My seatmate, feisty Robert Thibault from Yarmouth, stopped drawing me a diagram of how the Mulroney-Schreiber affair massively implicates the Harper government, long enough in QP to level a blast at Nicholson. Fed with some notes on extradition which Michael Ignatieff threw across my desk at him, Robert demanded to know if the minister would exercise his power and keep Schreiber in Canada long enough to testify, first before Parliament, then before an inquiry.
He delivered the question like a rolling volley of thunderous cannon fodder. Around him MPs jumped to their feet, applauding. “Thi-bault, Thi-bault,†they chanted.
That’s when, rising, obviously draining of passion, Rob said he would not and could not. He slumped down.
Minutes later Paul Szabo stood up behind me, the chairman of the House of Commons ethics committee. He read a brief motion the committee had passed asking the Speaker to issue a rare warrant to command Schreiber to appear. If Peter Milliken, the Speaker, did not do so, then it was certain the German-Canadian businessman and chief thorn in Brian Mulroney’s paw, would be flown away to his homeland, never to return. His complete story, untold.
Milliken stood. The only way this was going to work was if the House – all the MPs in it – agreed unanimously to accept the report just read. But would they? The Speaker asked for agreement, and there was a general confusion of noise, with yelps of approval heard above the din. However, Milliken knew that just a single dissenting voice among 300 would be enough to dash this, so he asked again. Again, cries of “Agreed†and no audible shouts of “No.â€
I looked across at the Conservative benches while this was taking place, and there was mass confusion at the unexpected and sudden turn of events. Many backbenchers were conferring with each other, then straining to see what whip Jay Hill was signaling. Not long before that, Hill had been uncharacteristically rushing back and forth in the Opposition lobby, in a flap, looking for Liberal House leader Ralph Goodale. Nothing, it seemed, was going according to the play book.
In moments, Milliken determined the House was not going to block the concurrence motion, and deemed it adopted. Hours later, he issued a warrant ordering that Karlheinz Schreiber be taken from a Toronto jail, brought to Ottawa, and produced before Parliament.
If Thibault’s chart is half true, I’d now say, Rob Nicholson had reason to slump. His boss is toast.
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The Liberal party now depends on the testimony of a criminal for it’s political fortunes. That is certainly not the high road, and you of all people, Garth, should eschew this circus created by the Liberal party.
If this manoevre fails, the Liberal party will be relegated to the ashcan of Canadian politics. Pray it works, because I certainly will not be praying for your salvation.
The German newspapers seem to be saying back home there’s a pile of evidence — diaries, logs and that sort of things — and an old partner ready to testify against Karlheinz Schreiber. It might be a tale of woe on either side or both sides of the pond.
It was quite the scene today – and you even got a reply from flaherty too.
I’m still not sure how this Schreiber thing matters but, I guess you’ll scan us a diagram soon.
Either way, with the NDP saying the “planet is dying” the bloc going on about manufacturing and you guys with Schreiber — I can’t see this parliament lasting very long.
posted by Garth Turner on 11.27.07 @ 11:29 pm
You get to bed!
Its too late for the neo-con trolls to be “trolling”.
And you need your “beauty sleep” (boy do you!) LOL
So let me get this straight Garth, in the Committee today the CPC MP’s unanimously vote to block the use of Parliamentary Subpoena and then in publicness of the House they supported it? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I don’t know what is on the piece of paper you saw today, but I think I know where this is leading. There can only be one set of events that can explain how and WHY the Harper Government has been forced to move like this.
Pass me the popcorn, and I just may crack one of those Blogger Lagers and enjoy the show. This is not going to be perdy.
Isn’t Schreiber a Canadian citizen? Why is he being extradited? Only one reason and that’s to silence him.
This is the one time I truly have hope you are totally correct in your prognostication Garth. Burnt toast at that I imagine. When all this comes to pass, I wonder if those saying Dion is not a leader will appreciate his wisdom and patience in not letting Harper force him to an election despite all the name calling from the opposition.
I shall sleep well tonight seeing Dion as our next Prime Minister with a majority.
I sometimes get a laugh when people call some men nerds, a label sometimes attributed to Stephane. That was the label my son in law was given for many years. He is one of the most successful, intelligent, generous, hard working, loving, thoughtful men, father, teacher and husband I know. Somehow I think Stephane has many of the same attributes and more.
Wasn’t Bill Gates called a nerd for many years?
“drawing me a diagram of how the Mulroney-Schreiber affair massively implicates the Harper government”
You’re starting to lose it.
His boss is toast.
We can only hope.
I suppose you’re not at liberty to explain half that chart to us, eh?
Thanks for your play by play Garth. This is a very interesting development.
Harper, with his political intuitions and skills, could have been one of the greatest prime ministers of Canada if only he had let go of the past. Unfortunately, since he assumed office as a leader of Canada, he was bent in punishing those who he thought had wronged him while he was still in the opposition and imposing his Conservative policies upon all Canadians. He never knew and never lived a life of consensus and compromises with other parties. To him, his winning in the federal elections meant a “payback time” or an opportunity to address all the real and perceived wrongdoings to him and his party regardless of whoever may be offended in the process. What matters to him are his party-members and supporters; the rest would just have to tow the line or face the punishment/vengeance of his government.
He had never moved on from his job as a leader of the Opposition. He was in government yet he acted as if he was out to destroy the other parties or their leaders.
He was a strong leader who never allowed anyone to grow and shine under his leadership. He wanted to control everything and leave his subordinates weak.
There is no question, he was a very effective leader of his party. Dion’s leadership, by comparison, may be considered as mediocre, at best.
Indeed, he was a great leader of the Conservative Party. And I doubt, there is anyone in the Conservative Party who can replace him right now or even after the next federal elections. Sadly though, he never attempted to become a leader of his country.
Garth a quick question, who were the CPC MP’s on the Ethics Committee that voted to block the request for the Parliamentary Subpoena yesterday? Names, I want the names,… and their photos ~evil grin~ Ok, you supply the names, I’ll find their photos tomorrow.
Good, Garth. Did your seat mate, “feisty Robert Thibault from Yarmouth” mention the reason why he had the meetings with Karlheinz Schreiber? Who authorized and asked Thibault to attend? What was purpose of these meetings? What was the outcome of these meetings? I and many others would like to know.
Yes, I asked him about the meetings, and he said they met twice. Thibault was doing what most MPs never bother with – research. — Garth
Justice Minister says he has no authority to block extradition
What is WRONG with the CPC? Boobby Nicholson DOES NOT KNOW HIS ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND.
OTTAWA — Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said Tuesday he was powerless to block the impending extradition of Karlheinz Schreiber to Germany, even though Parliament’s main lawyer said he has the authority to amend the federal order.
The law clerk of the House, Rob Walsh, accused Mr. Nicholson of “dancing on words†with his position, saying that extraditing Mr. Schreiber is “a political decision.â€
“It ought to be straightforward,†Mr. Walsh, the impartial Commons legal counsel, told MPs on the ethics committee. “It’s within the power of the Justice Minister. It’s his call. It’s his judgment.â€
BUTTRESSED BY:
Errol Mendes, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, said he was “astonished†by the minister’s comments, given that the Ontario Court of Appeal has said the “ultimate decision†in extradition matters is political.
“I’m not sure if [the minister] really understands the extradition process,†he said.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071128.wschreiber28/BNStory/National/home
My question for the gnu CPC goobermint:
The Canadian Electorate has KNOWN for some time, the gnu goobermint, in its efforts to hasten Schreiber’s departure, is trying to circumvent its promise of an inquiry by having Schreiber extradited, so he would be by the German justice system and thus unavailable to any inquiry in Canada. WHY?
To top the day off, we had to witness Szabo, Del Mastro and Mulcair interviewed by Don Newman. Del Mastro interrupted Szabo and Mulcair on four separate occasions. Newman had to put that large child in his place.
Harper tells the world to go to hell on climate change.
“Bizarrely, Harper is growing more obdurate even as the rest of the world comes round to recognizing how desperate the situation is. At the Commonwealth meeting, Britain argued developed countries should be taking the lead in greenhouse-gas reduction. With the developed world showing the way, Britain said, big emitters such as India and China would follow suit.
Harper continued to insist, however, that as holder of the only “right” position, he intends to push for binding reduction goals on all emitters at the UN international climate-change talks in Bali on Dec. 3-14.
Even the dramatic reversal of fortunes of his erstwhile comrade-in-denial, John Howard of Australia, failed to budge Harper. On a more positive note, Kevin Rudd, the man who defeated Howard, promised to sign the Kyoto Protocol.
Meanwhile, the United States, whose policies on climate change Harper has made his own, is inching past us. The U.S. Congress has currently before it a bill that proposes cuts in greenhouse-gas emissions of 65 per cent by 2050.”
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=655a3d33-2d04-4833-a5f3-3d977b87e806
It is indeed a shame when the truth is this difficult to muster.
Surely , a party that ran on a platform of accountability would be eager to get to the bottom of this whole mess.
This is after all the “new” Conservative government as opposed to the “old” Conservative government of Brian Mulroney where accountability seemed not to of been of the utmost importance.
If this “new” crew were as accountable as they say , then this matter of a former prime Minister & bags of cash would be handled out in the open–there would be no need to wisk the prime witness away as soon as possible.
I had hoped that they would have learned their lesson after the Income trust debacle where their idea of accountability consisted of 18 Blacked-out pages & harassed witnesses that were to appear before the finance committee–there were everything but bags full of cash.
A government not interested in the truth has no business in power–it is our duty to make sure of that in the next election.
Dr Mike—-a former life-long Conservative.
I have to hand it to you, Garth–you do know how to tell a story. Interesting turn of events, eh?
Okay, people–post nice.
WOW! Way to go!
And more shall be revealed …
Bill C-22 Democratic Representation Bill
The following article reinforces what I’ve been saying in earlier postings over the past 2 weeks. And now we’ve reached second reading.
The only small man here is one who would resort to the low tactics of a cheat to gain what cannot be earned through honest means. The name of the bill itself is the blackwhite inversion of the underlying reality; “Dynastic” is more fitting. With the past government, we had a thief stealing from the treasury, with this one, a cheat stealing from democracy. Of the two, the latter is the more insidious – it undermines the power of my sole means to express choice within a democracy: my vote.
The night before last I read one after another from the supporters posting here how proud they were of this government. A lot of talk about earning this and that. Yet I see anything but earning here. Tell me, do you take pride in achieving gain using methods like this? The small man in this sorry farce is not the Ontario Premier fighting for a fair shake. The small man is a bantam in comparison, a dust mote in a field, the small man is the self-same one who uttered those words in the first place.
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php
Okay, now that I’ve had my rant, fully justified and as it is, and important, I look forward to the slow unveiling of the details behind this teaser.
You’re going to make me look up those names aren’t myself, eh? LOL.
Hhmmmm,… not too much neo-con crow today. LOL
Yes, I asked him about the meetings, and he said they met twice. Thibault was doing what most MPs never bother with – research. — Garth
Lunches and coffee…twice? LOL So, what’s in it for Karl, must be a heck of a deal…of course part of the deal is not to implicate any liberals. Karl asked for his papers…yeah, I’ll bet, who did the Q. & A. for him?
Personally, I can’t see how anyone without an agenda could believe a single word this guy says. Did the Mr. Dion also make sure his list of demands were met?
L
Funny you should say this Harry S since the CONservatives relied on alleged scandals and LIES by PMSH to get elected!
“The Liberal party now depends on the testimony of a criminal for it’s political fortunes. That is certainly not the high road, and you of all people, Garth, should eschew this circus created by the Liberal party.
If this manoevre fails, the Liberal party will be relegated to the ashcan of Canadian politics. Pray it works, because I certainly will not be praying for your salvation.
By Harry S on 11.27.07 11:48 pm “
I looked across at the Conservative benches while this was taking place, and there was mass confusion at the unexpected and sudden turn of events. Many backbenchers were conferring with each other, then straining to see what whip Jay Hill was signaling. – Garth
Is thie equivalent to the CPC abstaining? They couldn’t support the motion, would have made the Justice Minister look even more foolish. And they couldn’t be seen to defeat it either, calls of a cover up would have been heard.
Abstain …. guess the shoe’s on the other foot!
How about a couple of pats of butter on that toast?
1. “Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, a former Mulroney parliamentary secretary who is normally a calm voice of reason on the Stephen Harper front bench, insisted he lacked the ability to prevent Schreiber’s deportation on Dec. 1, when experts directly contradicted his claim. He had the power. He didn’t want to act. Coverup anyone?
This is precisely the sort of arbitrary damn-the-optics antics that make people so queasy about giving Harper a majority of seats.” – Don Martin, at http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=5c172f66-88a6-4e0a-9089-8c6a4c9950fb
2. “On the government side, no one is allowed to speak spontaneously or think aloud. On the opposition side, it hardly matters what they say: the government isn’t listening.” – Susan Riley, at http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=36cd22d1-7ee4-4471-9f78-d3b9a38ab388
ÉCRASEZ L’INFÂMIE!
When the Conservatives aired negative ads concerning Mr. Dion, painting his as weak and ineffective, they called them ‘truth’ ads. They should not be afraid of the truth re the Schreiber/Mulroney/Harper mess. The ‘truth’ will set them….
“Bill C-22 is currently at second reading in the House.”
How about we blitz them with letters of protest? Every Ontario MP should receive a barrage of mail on this, demanding they stand up for our democratic rights.
Bill C-22 Democratic Representation Bill>/b>
Wiarton Willy’s CUZZ is attempting to SHRINK Ontario’s entitlement to fair representation by population, by virtue of his MISREPRESENTATION BY [POOP] legislation.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/v5/images/newspaper/20071126/cartoon-600.png
Garth, Shreiber is a manipulative lier. The fact that our current Prime Minister did nothing with accusatory letters about another prime Minister in the 11th hour before this man’s extradition, 15 years late, after one government already had to pay a lawsuit is a good thing.
Harper will not be harmed by this and this man should be extradited. The RCMP can go to his house with a warrant without him being there right?
“drawing me a diagram of how the Mulroney-Schreiber affair massively implicates the Harper governmentâ€
You’re starting to lose it.
By Trevor on 11.28.07 12:37 am
Trevor –
The Decepticon Libitrons also tried to implicate Peter MacKay. Apparently he had a summer job in the area where a meeting took place, when he was a kid.
You would think the hate filled and envious liberals would want to get busy developing some policies or something. At least then, we would have even more to to laugh at.
Hahahahahahahahaha
Finally Harper’s lies and deceiving will be exposed. Keep up the good work Garth. I expect to see Income Trust valuations rise in March after the election…I am counting on Dion to keep his word on this issue.
Kady O’Mally, Macleans, has a really good blog and she does a live blog from the Ethics Committee meetings – she’s young, but she takes time to find things out – more than I can say for the older/pundits/journalists who are just plain lazy/partisan, etc.
Anyway, when you read her blog today, you’ll see that the Cons either don’t understand what they’re doing, or, are being stupid on Harper’s behalf. If so, where is their pride as people.
Pat Martin, NDP is making a real fool of himself and the whole purpose is to try to make Canada believe that the only good politicians in Canada are the NDP. We have no bench mark on this because they’ve never been government, but they sure have had their share of provincials scandals – Spudscam, O’Learygate and Bingogate to name a few, plus problems out west. Their sanctimony is really hard to take.
Mulcair is doing drive by smears and if he’s not careful he could be in trouble. He’s doing Layton’s dirty work but is a rookie in federal government. Actually, if I were Layton I’d watch my back.
Dr Mike—-a former life-long Conservative.
By Mike from Rodney on 11.28.07 4:56 am
Mike – You don’t sound well. In fact you sound sick. Take 50 sleeping pills before you go to bed tonight with a full can of coke.
Dr. HaltonJohn.
Wow, now I’m a Doctor to eh Mikey.
I used to use that strategy to. Tell people that I was liberal and now I am Conservative. Hey, it’s a good line. But now, I could never say I was once a liberal. How could I have ever been that stupid and gullible. Besides, we all know that as people “grow up” and “mature” they tend to become more Conservative.
Leasa, Dear, careful. You are skirting irrelevance with simplistic “statements” such as your 7:25.
Election not possible as long as Mulroney/Schreiber/Airbus affair is centre stage
The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men, Gang aft agley, An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain, For promis’d joy! — “To a Mouse” by Robert Burns
Corruption and integrity issues played in the Conservatives’ favour in 2006. Now the high ground has shifted.
http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature7.cfm?REF=615
Globe and Mail Editorial:
JUSTICE MINISTER NICHOLSON
Keep Schreiber in the country
November 28, 2007
It is increasingly clear that if Karlheinz Schreiber is to answer questions in Canada, it will be despite the Conservative government. Although Prime Minister Stephen Harper has promised to call a public inquiry into Mr. Schreiber’s allegations about his dealings with former Conservative prime minister Brian Mulroney, that inquiry is a long way off – and so will Mr. Schreiber be, if arrangements aren’t made to keep him in the country to face examination. He may be extradited to Germany as early as this Saturday, but Justice Minister Rob Nicholson seems almost sanguine about the prospect of his going. In a letter to Paul Szabo, chairman of the House of Commons ethics committee, Mr. Nicholson said “there is no broad general discretion” in the Extradition Act for the Justice Minister to delay the surrender of a person to an extradition partner.
This will surprise those who heard Rob Walsh, law clerk for the Commons, tell the ethics committee that Mr. Nicholson has the authority to amend the surrender order signed in 2004 by his predecessor, Irwin Cotler. It will surprise those who know that Section 40 of the Extradition Act says the Justice Minister “may subject the surrender to any conditions that the minister considers appropriate,” and that Section 42 says, “The minister may amend a surrender order at any time before its execution.” Those discretionary powers seem exceedingly broad and exceedingly general.
The ethics committee wants Mr. Schreiber to appear before it tomorrow. It has done what it can to ensure his presence. It passed a motion yesterday asking the Speaker of the House to use Parliament’s power of subpoena to pluck Mr. Schreiber from a Toronto detention centre and place him in an Ottawa committee room with his personal papers. These Speaker’s warrants are seldom used, but this is a fitting occasion. It is important that the air be cleared – that Mr. Schreiber’s allegations, untested in court, be exposed to searching questions. Mr. Schreiber has already made it clear that, once shipped to Germany, he would be in no mood to co-operate.
Hauling him before the committee is far from ideal. The opposition parties, smelling Conservative blood, will almost certainly turn the hearing into a partisan free-for-all, with the Tories responding in kind. Mr. Harper’s public inquiry, assuming intelligent terms of reference, would shed more light. But the ticking clock of the surrender order has increased the hearing’s importance. If this is the venue in which Mr. Schreiber’s statements must be put to the test, so be it.
Yet the clock continues to tick. Mr. Nicholson should pledge to use his discretion under the Extradition Act to keep Mr. Schreiber in the country long enough to address the allegations fully. It is in the Conservatives’ interest, as well as the country’s, that this matter be resolved.
The survey, conducted by Ipsos-Reid for CanWest News Service and Global National, found that 65 per cent of respondents feel the government should delay the extradition of the German-Canadian businessman so that he can present evidence at an inquiry announced two weeks ago. The businessman, who paid Mulroney $300,000 in cash in 1993 and 1994, could be extradited to Germany to face bribery, fraud and tax charges as early as Saturday unless the federal government intervenes.
“Canadians think something doesn’t smell right between Karlheinz Schreiber and Brian Mulroney,” said Darrell Bricker, president of Ipsos-Reid.
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=3a75afed-3d67-49e4-b9d5-b89b0d305e46
“If Thibault’s chart is half true, I’d now say, Rob Nicholson had reason to slump. His boss is toast.”
posted by Garth Turner on 11.27.07 @ 11:29 pm |
What is this Garth, a cliffhanger? Like who shot JR?
Draw us a diagram Garth. Make it simple for us to understand cause what you said today is nothing that hasn’t been said before.
So if you have evidence of wrong doing lets hear it. Your incessant drive by slurs are getting old.
Well shiver me timbers
First I read The Chin claims he never received any money and was never asked if he did during testimony. Then I read he said he may have had a coffee once or twice with Schreiber. So having finished my reading, I flick the tube on only to see a news clip showing a picture of The Chin partying with Schreiber in a packed hotel room. There HAS to be more to all of this and that is why it is all so HARPERSENSITIVE.
Dion : As environment minister, his successes were, to say the least, far less ambitious.
Mark Kennedy, CanWest News Service
Harry S
1 As far as I know Schreiber has not been convicted of any crime yet,
2 If bribing politicians is a crime the recipient is a criminal too.
3 If tax evasion is a crime we have a criminal in Canada we should be concerned about, something we cannot be unless Schreiber testifies.
4 Schreiber has not committed any crime in Canada.
When Dion was elected leader of the libs. The first thing he did was send a clear message to Harper. Please start running negative adds about me right way.
This is what he said.
- We need an election right way. We must get back in power as soon as possible. -
Harper obliged Dion.
Result,
13%
12%
Well done Steph.
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Good news for SUV lovers.
His boss is toast.
posted by Garth Turner on 11.27.07 @ 11:29 pm
Garth…the new drama queen! Please Garth the media hardly mentioned the story and most think this looks bad on the Liberals…..what did get a lot of attention is how poorly Dion is performing……now Garth go find some more drama…that’s what we pay you to do……
Garth,
About DAMN time the HoC tried working according to the RULES! Now, let those same rules be applied to their everyday conduct.
Todate the HoC has appeared to have learned their rules of conduct from the same morons that taught the 8 year olds to break out in total pandemonium on the ice.
This is but a start, and I, for one, damn well expect to see more of it from the MP’s. No more blustering BS from Harper and his Goon Squad.
In fact, They should be held in contempt as well for failure to answer questions.
As a side-note I’d like to take this opportunity to confess I got a real kick out of that clip of Martin chewing on Szabo last week. The Parliamentary equivalent of what hockey fights used to be before technology cooked up skates that didn’t take the edge off the punches.
I hope they draw each other’s names for the Christmas gift exchange.
Garth,
If the damage is nearly as bad as you suggest, then the attacks on Shriber should start very soon.
They’re going to call him a criminal and say that what he says can’t be trusted because he’s a criminal.
Yet, aren’t the people who did criminal activity with him also criminals?
So, I guess, we can’t trust a thing the Conservatives say.
Is that the true implication of all of this? That we can’t trust anything anybody says?
Canadians aren’t going to buy it.
On Thursday, they’re going to hear a bombshell. Shriber is going to give away just enough to force the Government to keep him in the country.
And we’re not onto stage 3 of our story.
Fun.
Just wondering about a few of the environmental issues we discussed yesterday though. Those are still weighing heavily on my mind.
The Canadian dollar is also down 10 cents in just under a month (I predicted on this board that the dollar would fall fast.)
Are the Conservatives going to accept blame for this steep decline? After all, they did claim credit for it’s steep rise and touted those benefits — will they now claim responsibility for the negative effects? Or are they going to try, as usual, to have it both ways?
Funny you should say this Harry S since the CONservatives relied on alleged scandals and LIES by PMSH to get elected!
By dj on 11.28.07 7:29 am
DJ,
Funny you should say this.
Still open to question is whether Harper felt he needed to add weight to adscam, which at mid campaign had not resulted in the desired shift in the polls. This, even though the longest running ad during the campaign featured the lie that Martin Liberals accepted illicit cash. Did he feel he needed to give this legs by creating the Income trust issue? If so, did he instruct RCMP boss, Zaccardelli, to improperly write a letter to Judy Wasylycia-leis that was used to change the course of the election? Did Harper, in fact, treacherously interfere with the election?
we all know that as people “grow up†and “mature†they tend to become more Conservative.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 8:11 am
Judging from your posts you must be becoming less conservative as you appear to be regressing.
Eh Tinky Winky Don?
I think Halton John should stop diluding himself – the fact is Peter MacKay and his father Elmer MacKay have very deeps ties with Schreiber, like it or not.
So, the Harperites didn’t mind using the thugs in the sponsorship issue, but by God don’t use a thug when it comes to conservatives – again, another double-standard.
One of those sponsorship thugs was also connection to Mulroney – did work for him – interesting.
Garth,
John G (11.28.07 8:50 am) makes an interesting point, perhaps unwittingly. The newspapers seem stunned by this story.
The Globe & Mail is closing down reader comments on the story as soon as the story is posted. Why? Schmiergeldergate will generate a lot of reader interest, and isn’t that what a newspaper is all about?
Or am I naive? Is there something about the concentration of ownership that nackers independence and objectivity of Canadian journalists? Do they hire milquetoast right out of the Journalism School Box?
“Please Garth the media hardly mentioned the story and most think this looks bad on the Liberals …”
Gee, John G, you should be reading other “media” than just neo-Con blogs.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 8:11 am
If anyone sounds sick, how about the person who suggests suicide as a response to someone he disagrees with?
A truly contemptible remark.
As far as whether Mike is a former lifelong conservative, why do you find that so hard to believe? There are a lot of people of the PC persuasion who are not very happy with the direction Mr. Harper is taking the party.
Do I have to send you a copy of my CPC membership card in order to convince you I am a Conservative?
Ethics Committee Members
Gérard Asselin Bloc
Dean Del Mastro CPC
Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal
Russ Hiebert CPC
Charles Hubbard Liberal
Carole Lavallée Bloc
Pat Martin NDP
Paul Szabo Liberal
David Tilson CPC
Dave Van Kesteren CPC
Mike Wallace CPC
acting
Robert Thibault Liberal
for
Glen Douglas Pearson Liberal
Man, that was not easy at all, seems when you go to the government website and try to dig up info on the Ethics Committee I kept getting server errors or no information available,… most likely crappy webmastering at work.
So the question of the day is this
Why did
Dean Del Mastro CPC
Russ Hiebert CPC
David Tilson CPC
Dave Van Kesteren CPC
Mike Wallace CPC
all vote to block the use of Parliamentary Subpoena? Who ordered to try to block it? Why is the Harper Government trying to derail their own Public Inquiry by ensuring that KHS isn’t available to testify.
Milton Man?
Halton John?
Harry S?
John G?
Leasa?
Other opinions are welcome too ~grin~
Bulls… baffles brains. This is another case of Bostaurus having a Minister shoot the bull with a sling shot but he couldn’t even hit the side of the barn. Shame on him for embarassing such an Honourable and capable Minister, Rob Rob Nicholson.
If Thibault’s chart is half true, I’d now say, Rob Nicholson had reason to slump. His boss is toast.
posted by Garth Turner on 11.27.07 @ 11:29 pm
………………………………..
Hello Garth … could you expand on the above allegation so we can better understand what is at stake here?
Of course this is all a serious matter that must be properly dealt with, and everybody wants the truth out.
Accordingly, you should enlighten all your faithful forum supporters and myself on what the consequences can be.
Thanks
You wish. — Garth
They’ve been doing it all along and I don’t blame them. BBS operators are responsible for all content not removed within a reasonable amount of time. If there’s one thing Mulroney has going for him, its lawyers.
“Do I have to send you a copy of my CPC membership card in order to convince you I am a Conservative?”
By Ed Brooks on 11.28.07 9:27 am
Yes, Ed, you do.
Send your CPC membership card, your SIN card, and your drivers licence to me today. I expect to receive it tomorrow morning.
Send it to this address below and it will be forwarded to me.
#1 North Pole Road.
North Pole
HOH OHO
If I don’t receive it, then I will know you are a liar and a liberal.
PS.
Ed, There is no way that any Conservative that is not 100% happy with Harper,would ever turn into a liberal twit. That’s like saying, I don’t like this fried egg, so instead I will eat chicken $hit.
Do you have any room left? — Garth
Zorpheous,
the troll patrol has to wait for instructions. Enjoy the silence of the lambs while it lasts.
By slg on 11.28.07 9:22 am
Right SLaG,
While Peter MacKay was cutting lawns for extra spending money in the summer he was planning all kinds of government corruption.
Wow, you have insight.
13%
13 Years.
Are you superstitious ??
By Herb on 11.28.07 8:12 am
Hi Herbie!!! Darling, I represent the average simple minded little old Canadian down on the farm, and those are my optics of this whole bunch of bull-pucky.
Leasa
BTW…Garth, do you think there is any chance our dollar will come back up? On my first load from Europe, I saved over $3000. because I bought when our dollar was high and the Euro was a bit lower…would be nice if she would bounce back up.
Best wishes, from a simple little farmer’s wife. (hugs) L
I really hope that this whole mess is worth the trouble, because, if it doesn’t end up amounting to anything, the Liberals may end up looking more like a bunch of kids stirring the brown stuff than anything else.
I, for one, still think that emissions (GHGs, not only CPC hot air), infrastructure, exports, foreign takeovers, childcare spots, etc. are more important than this whole KHS thing.
I’m interested in hearing the reply to Zorph’s question.
Indeed, if the Conservatives are so innocent, wouldn’t they want ALL the facts to come to light?
What do they have to hide?
Isn’t this all about transparency and ACCOUNTABILITY in government?
Milton Man?
Halton John?
Harry S?
John G?
Leasa?
What about TRANSPARENCY? Huh?
They’re not going to answer.
They’re reeling from all this.
Enjoy the show.
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 9:41 am
Hey Zorphie, Since I do not sit on that committee and haven’t been privy to any meetings, I can only guess…so since you asked:
Perhaps because this is a horrendous waste of time and tax dollars? Perhaps because this if over-riding what the nice extradition people have been trying to do for years. Perhaps because Germany has so much evidence against this alleged criminal that some people feel they have a right to ‘have’ him. Perhaps they don’t trust this guy to even hint at the truth and they know he has been working very closely with Mr. Dion and our friend Rotten Robert for months now which doesn’t lend faith in this witch hunt at all. Perhaps they were talking to some senior liberals who really don’t want this guy to talk and even with the Liberal deals in place they do not trust him to keep quiet about their dealings with him. After all, we know Karl has given out millions…while Liberals were in power.
Personally, I would’a chucked him a long time ago.
How’s that? Put that in your tank and smell it. L
of course part of the deal is not to implicate any liberals.
L
By Leasa on 11.28.07 7:25 am
There you go with that crystal ball again. Cheeeese please!!!
Back to influence some weak minds eh Leasa?
You know, you should really stick to posting about farming. You seem somewhat intelligent when you talk about things you know something about.
Po’ liddle farmers wife. Pleeeeze, pass the upchuck receptacle.
By LoH_Numa on 11.28.07 10:02 am
What about some ‘transparency’ from our Garth who refuses to explain himself other than intimating that “His boss is toast.”
Politics is the art of guile .. and the story is not yet finished .. because if desperate Schreiber who is scheduled to be extradited to Germany this Saturday, doesn’t fess up and tell the committee who he bribed in the Mulroney AND Chretien governments, he’s off to a German jail possibly for the rest of his natural life.
Come on Karlheinz .. fess up and tell ALL .. because this Thursday is your last chance to stay in Canada.
They’re reeling from all this.
By LoH_Numa on 11.28.07 10:02 am
Reeling,,
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha ohhhhhh,
that`s rich.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha ohhhhh,,,,
Ya, reeling in a record bass.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha ohhhhhh,,
OK,, OK,, that`s enough.
Do you have any room left? — Garth
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 9:53 am
The Burlington Post
Classified Section
Have rubber room. Looking for roommate.
Apply at the Funny Farm. Ask for Halton John.
Or mail to;
#1 North Pole Road.
North Pole
HO HO HO
Garth
This question needs to be asked, when did Thibault start meeting and talking to Schreiber? Because I didn’t think someone could be that stupid to talk to a known liar and who has brought down heads of state with his corruption. No politician in his right mine would deal with Schreiber if he cared about his reputation, not after the scandal over 10 years ago. Someone should give that person in the pmo a bonus for blocking that letter to the PM. The NDP was smart enough to recognize for what it was and dump it. Now this has turned into a circus and the conservatives are sitting
back and telling the opposition if you want to make fools out of yourself your going have to do all the work yourself. Then when it comes to blame someone for this mess and cost to the tax payers we only have the Liberals and NDP to blame.
Honestly Garth are you going to believe anything Schreiber says with out any prove, because any good lawyer would destroy Schreiber reputation as a creditable witness. So “WHY” and “WHEN”
Thibault start talking to Schreiber.
I am with Robert Thibault in caucus right now. Thibault says: “There were two people who knew about the cash – KHS and BM. I had the opportunity to talk to KS and then disclose what I found out during QP — that the first hundred thousand was paid to BM while he was still an MP. Harper met with BM numerous times, and has never disclosed anything — only when he was shamed by the KS affidavit did he temporarily close off relations with his former close advisor. ” — Garth
Pleeeeze, pass the upchuck receptacle.
By Greg on 11.28.07 10:10 am
Greggins, I told you before to try to avoid food from China! BTW…people do have a right to an opinion, even when it differs from yours. No need to get nasty, is there?
Keep it up and I’ll strike you from my Christmas card list. Leasa
the troll patrol has to wait for instructions.
By Herb on 11.28.07 9:54 am
Right, and the Libitrons need to send instructions to their leader, and tell him what to do next.
In the meantime, he waits,
and waits,
in a dark corner,
sipping on an Ice Cap.
Dean Del Mastro CPC
Mike Wallace CPC
Both were members of the PALLISTER FIVE, that notorious bunch of liars from the Income Trust saga. Wait’ll Mikey gets his cereal bowl chockfull in the upcoming election. He will, and I personally guarantee it, have NOWHERE to run. Will he know WHO or WHAT hit him?
Harpertension Con Trolling you?
Try Zen
http://www.dailyzen.com/
By Leasa on 11.28.07 10:34 am
The proud possessor of half a brain.
New Climate Change forecast courtesy of Bill-Muskoka!
Hell will be freezing over the day that Stephen Harper tells the truth and answers a question candidly.
Therefore, Harper is the major cause of Global Warming!
I WANT MY CANADA BACK! I WANT IT NOW!
I see the two resident CPC arseholes have lots of time this morning. I wonder if they are on welfare or just graft from the CPC?
Have a nice day!
QP can do things??
Is it possible to smell CRAP in the House of Commons?
http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=84231&sc=89
Reality Check: Dion’s weak leadership displays hypocrisy, this time on SPP.
http://www.ndp.ca/page/5616
It`s pretty clear. The NDP would rather work with Harper.
Keep it up and I’ll strike you from my Christmas card list. Leasa
By Leasa on 11.28.07 10:34 am
Ok Mum, I’ll be good.
By Greg on 11.28.07 10:25 am
Excuse me, but let’s have him apply at the South Pole, as far away from Canada as one can get. He is already near, being a Rethuglican troll from the U.S.
Protect Canada’s Arctic!
Day, MacKay make improper remarks
My, what a friend the electorate has in the all gnu CPC goobermint.
In response to the appallingly shameful killing of Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski, Public Security Minister Stockwell Day said that he wished Canadians would be as appalled about drunk driving as they are about our police killing an unarmed man at an airport.
Not long after Day’s ridiculous remark, Defence Minister Peter MacKay, ignorant of one of his own government’s reports stating that some of our teenage prisoners in Afghanistan, captured by Canadian Forces, were being turned over to Afghan prisons where torture is practised and where one warden was fired for being a rapist, accused Liberal defence critic Denis Coderre of being “un-Canadian” and that he did not “support the troops” for raising this issue in Parliament. This is jingoism, not debate.
Hamilton Spectator
Harper Dumpty sat on a wall
Harper Dumpty had a great fall
All the Death Star Trolls and all the Backroom Boys
Couldn’t put Harper Dumpty together again.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 9:53 am
Sorry, I don’t believe in Santa Claus and don’t have a stamp.
I’ll tell you what though, I’ll meet you tomorrow morning at the new KFC at Steeles and Martin. I’ll happily show you my membership card and in the spirit of the season I will order you a plateful of KFC chicken $hit and pay for it.
It would be worth it just to watch you eat it.
By the way, Mike didn’t say he was a liberal in the post, he said he was a former conservative. Just because some are dissatisied with the Conservatives does not mean they are all joining the Liberals.
Certainly, it will still be a cold day in Hell before I join the Liberal party.
And you just keep working on those people skills. I’m sure your comments will encourage a lot of former conservative voters to reconsider their error and return to the Conservative fold. Got to get that majority somewhere.
Garth,
How about some comment on a possible stragedy? I figure Schreiber will do a Fan-dance stragedy. You know, show just enough to intrigue the Hicks for more show and tell, and to make the Tories look bad if they send him to Germany. What do you figure?
By the way, is anybody covering the story “Too bad Canadian journalists don’t know German?” There’s a lot of old news about Schreiber in Germany, and some old news in New York and London.
And there’s another story is the Tories may not like when Schreiber arrives in Germany. Schreiber may be unhappy enough with Mulroney and others to start decoding his log of Kandystan payments. Reminds me of the kid’s song “Who can make your bank glow?â€
Otto Jelinek’s (Mulroney’s Finance Minister) name is appearing in the European press as the man on the ground who was funneling kickback money on airbus scams. He’s being linked to HUGE amounts of kickbacks, money laundering, and accusations of drug running. This will indeed be the political scandal of the centry and stalling on Harper/Nicholson’s part is only putting suspicion on them as well.
And the DIPPERS in Toronto want YOU to ride your bicycle to work.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2007/11/27/get-prepared-for-more-of-this-city-to-trim-snow-plowing.aspx
Dignity and security for seniors
http://www.ndp.ca/page/4649
Yes, Jack and his cake and champagne crew have said a lot of things. All meaningless. Even Alexa admitted that after the Income Trust committee meetings, when she said the Dippers couldn’t do anything about the Harper LIES!
Harper Dumpty sat on a wall
Harper Dumpty had a great fall
All the Death Star Trolls and all the Backroom Boys
Couldn’t put Harper Dumpty together again. – BILL-MUSKOKA
Can we put this into consideration for the stupidest post ever?
Gee, John G, you should be reading other “media†than just neo-Con blogs.
By Herb on 11.28.07 9:27 am
Does the Toronto Liberal Star count?
Protect Canada’s Arctic!
By Bill-Muskoka on 11.28.07 10:54 am
Agreed. But is there a room in a “special school” for him there?
Your boy HJ will have to go to a special school Mrs. Dump. Is there a Mr. Dump, Mrs. Dump?
Since I didn’t get a reply the first time:
I’m interested in hearing the reply to Zorph’s question.
Indeed, if the Conservatives are so innocent, wouldn’t they want ALL the facts to come to light?
What do they have to hide?
Isn’t this all about transparency and ACCOUNTABILITY in government?
Milton Man?
Halton John?
Harry S?
John G?
Leasa?
What about TRANSPARENCY? Huh?
They’re not going to answer.
They’re reeling from all this.
Enjoy the show.
“Sorry, I don’t believe in Santa Claus and don’t have a stamp.”
By Ed Brooks on 11.28.07 10:57 am
Edward,,,,
Stop with your liberalish excuses.
Besides, what are you talking about ?? You don’t need a stamp. You can’t send this type if info in the regular mail. Now put the stuff together and call UPS or Purolator. I want it by tomorrow. You said you would send it. Now you are just making excuses. How can you deny that you are a liberal now ??
And pay attention Ed,,,
Who said anything about Santa Claus ??
What are you talking about ??
I didn’t say anything about Santa Clause.
I expect an answer Ed.
Personally, I would’a chucked him a long time ago.
How’s that? Put that in your tank and smell it. L
By Leasa on 11.28.07 10:09 am
Actually Leasa, there was a reason why I included you in my list. To put it simply and honestly, you have more balls than Halton John, Milton Man and Harry S have collectively combined. You never avoid the difficult questions, you may spin it, but you have balls enough to answer (and you’re a female) Maybe you should loan you set to the others.
Now that being said, your logic still doesn’t explain the obvious contradiction the CPC is showing here.
We know nothing happens in the Committee meets without PMO’s knowledge. We know that the CPC Committee members are ussually instructed to vote a certain way. The history to support this is VERY well documented.
So I am left scratching my head?
1) Harper has called for a Public Inquiry. The Inquiry can not take place without all the witnesses. I’d be screaming bloody murder if the Liberals, NDP or Bloc tried to block Brian Mulroney from testifying. So it stands to reason that if Harper wants a Public Inquiry he must want KHS there to testify.
2) We have the Minister of Justice claiming he doesn’t have the power to over rule the Extradition Order in Ontario, even though Parliamentary Legal Council says he does and some very well know lawyers in Ottawa also support that position. Ok fine, I’ll except the Ministers weak excuse. So the Minister of Justice tells the Ethics Committee that they must quickly and send a request to HoC for a Parliamentary Subpoena to over ride the Extradition Order. That seems like very clear direction from the Government of Canada that MP should vote in favour of that.
4) In the Committee all five of the CPC members vote to block the request, which is defying the Recommendation and direction given to them by their own Minister of Justice.
5) Hours later, these same five CPC members then abstain or vote in favour of the Parliamentary Subpoena to have KHS appear in Ottawa this week.
So does Harper want KHS to testify or not, yes or no?
Why are CPC members voting against the wish of Harper and the CPC leadership?
Why have not these five MP’s been punished for defying the PMO and Harper. Clearly they have because it is either Harper wants KHS there to testify or he doesn’t. We know that Harper and CPC do not allow freelancing like this.
Sorry to put you on the spot, but your other CPC supporters here lack the balls to answer the tough questions.
PS, I actually expect John G to reply as well when he has the time.
As for putting it in my tank and smelling it,… hmmmmm, Sorry I fuel up Premium and I try to avoid smelling the fumes
Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics
CHAIR
Paul Szabo
VICE-CHAIRS
Pat Martin David Tilson
MEMBERS
Gérard Asselin Dean Del Mastro
Sukh Dhaliwal Russ Hiebert
Charles Hubbard Carole Lavallée
Glen Douglas Pearson Dave Van Kesteren
Mike Wallace
ASSOCIATE MEMBERS
Jim Abbott Harold Albrecht
Mike Allen Dean Allison
Rob Anders David Anderson
Charlie Angus Vivian Barbot
Dave Batters Leon Benoit
James Bezan Steven Blaney
Sylvie Boucher Garry Breitkreuz
Gord Brown Patrick Brown
Rod Bruinooge Blaine Calkins
Ron Cannan Colin Carrie
Rick Casson Michael D. Chong
Joe Comartin Joe Comuzzi
Paul Crête John Cummins
Patricia Davidson Barry Devolin
Norman Doyle Rick Dykstra
Ken Epp Ed Fast
Brian Fitzpatrick Steven John Fletcher
Cheryl Gallant Yvon Godin
Peter Goldring Gary Goodyear
Jacques Gourde Nina Grewal
Monique Guay Michel Guimond
Art Hanger Richard Harris
Luc Harvey Laurie Hawn
Betty Hinton Rahim Jaffer
Brian Jean Randy Kamp
Gerald Keddy Wajid Khan
Ed Komarnicki Daryl Kramp
Mike Lake Guy Lauzon
Jack Layton Denis Lebel
Pierre Lemieux Tom Lukiwski
James Lunney Dave MacKenzie
Fabian Manning Inky Mark
Colin Mayes Ted Menzies
Rob Merrifield Larry Miller
Bob Mills James Moore
Rob Moore Rick Norlock
Deepak Obhrai Brian Pallister
Daniel Petit Pauline Picard
Pierre Poilievre Joe Preston
Penny Priddy James Rajotte
Scott Reid Lee Richardson
Gary Schellenberger Bev Shipley
Carol Skelton Joy Smith
Kevin Sorenson Bruce Stanton
Brian Storseth David Sweet
Myron Thompson Bradley R. Trost
Mervin Tweed Maurice Vellacott
Mark Warawa Chris Warkentin
Jeff Watson John Williams
Lynne Yelich
JOINT CLERKS OF THE COMMITTEE
Julia Lockhart Richard Rumas
FROM THE PARLIAMENTARY INFORMATION AND RESEARCH SERVICE, LIBRARY OF PARLIAMENT
Kristen Douglas Nancy Holmes
http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/cmte/CommitteeList.aspx?Lang=1&PARLSES=392&JNT=0&SELID=e7_&COM=0#13184
I didn’t say anything about Santa Clause.
I expect an answer Ed.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 11:34 am
Well he might be able to comply with your request if gave your real name and address John.
The address you gave earlier
#1 North Pole Road.
North Pole
HOH OHO
Is most definitely the one people use to send letters to Santa Claus.
So if you want the proof you are requesting, you should at least provide your real name and address. I know asking for honesty from you is asking a lot, but we do like to give you opportunity to surprise us.
When this issue first broke on this blog several weeks ago I said then this was something that needed investigation primarily for the questions surrounding Mulroney’s conduct, and I also pointed out that there was potential trouble for Harper in this given how close he has been to Mulroney over the past several years. Remember, Mulroney helped set up Harper’s PMO during the transition, has been an advisor to Harper as PM according to Harper himself in the past (as in prior to his throwing Mulroney under the bus a few weeks back) which means there is the relationship level required to be concerned that Harper was protecting Mulroney from any action by say the Justice ministry in looking into whether perjury charges were warranted regarding the Mulroney testimony in the libel lawsuit.
Now though after watching the Harper government massively bungle this file every which way they could I am starting to wonder what it is that clearly has Harper so rattled. Take the bit with Nicholson’s authority on extraditions; he keeps saying he doesn’t have the “authority” to do so despite the heavy evidence that his office has exactly that authority if the political will is there to use it, which makes me think the lack of authority comes from Harper refusing to let Nicholson do so.
This has become a major problem for the Harper CPC government largely of their own making, going from first ridiculing the idea of any inquiry/investigation being needed and threatening the Libs/Opposition parties with investigations into their party leaders if they pursued this line of question to with a fortnight calling for a full public inquiry as soon as his name was in an affidavit stating he had been contacted on Schreiber’s behalf by Mulroney in 2006, yet refusing to keep Schreiber in Canada for that inquiry. At first I was prepared to give that aspect of this matter little weight, but given the way the Harper CPC is running around like chickens with their heads cut off on this, and given the way Harper is apparently willing to prefer the political costs of perceived cover-up by sending Schreiber out of country before any inquiry can be set, well now I am forced to wonder what it is Harper is so afraid of coming out that would make the clear political costs to that perceived cover-up the less damaging (in his mind) course of action.
Ironically enough initially I didn’t think there was much here on Harper except for his bad judgment in having Mulroney as such a close advisor given what was already known about Mulroney on this issue by the time Harper came to power. Now though given the actions and inactions of Harper’s government on this file I am starting to think there must be something incredibly damaging for Harper here, perhaps politically interfering to protect Mulroney from government investigation maybe, I really can’t do more than speculate given the dearth of information available at this time. The one thing I am convinced of now by Harper’s own actions is that this has him running scared, and I am forced to wonder why if as the various CPC defenders here and elsewhere have been saying there is no real connection between the two governments and no real way Harper would cover anything up for Mulroney given how much he clearly opposed Mulroney back when Mulroney was PM.
Something serious is going on here behind closed doors, and it is wafting some really rank odours under that door into the public domain as it is. I am now becoming convinced that there is truth to what Turner said regarding that chart and this issue being a major problem for Harper’s government, otherwise the government would never have put themselves in the position they are now. Harper is too good a political tactician not to understand the damage he and his party/government are taking by this approach, so why take that damage unless it is significantly less damaging than what is being concealed?
Has Dion ever got his story straight on when the Liberals sent the package from Mr. Schreiber to the RCMP. Media quotes it as Nov 08 it was forwarded on and Dion told you Garth, he had not received it Nov 13. What are the Liberals trying to hide and not be upfront of when it was received and how could Dion send it to the RCMP before the date when he said he hadn’t received it? That is my only question as yet.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 11:34 am
Silly season is upon us, eh? I suspect you have already been to KFC this morning, then.
Polish those people skills John, you really need them.
Since I didn’t get a reply the first time:
I’m interested in hearing the reply to Zorph’s question.
Indeed, if the Conservatives are so innocent, wouldn’t they want ALL the facts to come to light?
What do they have to hide?
Isn’t this all about transparency and ACCOUNTABILITY in government?
Milton Man?
Halton John?
Harry S?
John G?
Leasa?
What about TRANSPARENCY? Huh?
They’re not going to answer.
They’re reeling from all this.
Enjoy the show.
By LoH_Numa on 11.28.07 11:26 am
Their silence is the answer.
I expect an answer Ed.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 11:34 am
Hey John?
I just checked with UPS and Purolator. They say there is no such address. Were you lying to me?
You aren’t one of those lying Conservative weasels are you? It looks like I can’t trust you, either.
By LoH_Numa on 11.28.07 10:02 am
To be perfectly honest, if the CPC isn’t involved then this will blow up in the Liberal’s faces. If this is true then the CPC should be more than willing to allow the Liberals to end up with egg on their faces. Yet we have these huge conflicting messages?
I don’t expect Halton, Milton or Harry to answer, or at least answer sanely or address these question (they m may start the name calling or pull out some old smelly red harring) but they lack the balls and brains to even attempt to answer honestly.
Leasa will and has answered, even though her logic is flawed, in my opinion.
Here comes Harper to put out the flames.
Public events for November 28, 2007
November 28, 2007
Ottawa, Ontario
Public event for Prime Minister Stephen Harper for today, Wednesday, November 28th is:
7:50 p.m. – Prime Minister Stephen Harper will deliver brief remarks at the Holodomor Commemoration Ceremony. He will be joined by Secretary of State for Multiculturalism and Canadian Identity, Jason Kenney and by members of the Conservative caucus.
237-C Centre Block
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario
*Open to Media*
Harper met with BM numerous times, and has never disclosed anything — only when he was shamed by the KS affidavit did he temporarily close off relations with his former close advisor. †— Garth
Oh, Garth, please tell your seat mate that this is very lame at best. Of course Mr. Harper met with Brian many times, many people did. There would be no reason for them to discuss Krafty (I wanna stay in Canada) Karl at all. Please ask him if he thinks Canadians are just plain stupid. Thanks a ton…Leasa
Peter MacKay may have cut grass, but his family has deep, deep ties to Schreiber – that’s the facts.
Leasa – you seem to have wiffed in too much cow dung odour – you’re not making much sense.
Halton John – you really are sound childish. Ha, ha, ha’s ? Not too intellectual.
Of Interest, but lacking the drama of our HoC:
2 out of 3 middle class American families on shaky financial ground
The Middle Class has been decimated, as have the Seniors. As governments hand more power to the corporate elites, we will have a nation of the working poor ruled by those controlling the Agenda. The CBC documentary on Dubai was an eye opener…Welcome to the new world order, going forward.
Yesterday, Bush’s chief Economic Advisor said that while finance and housing sectors were weak, the “Real America” was strong. That’s why other countries wanted to invest in companies like Citigroup. Today, he resigned.
Besides, we all know that as people “grow up†and “mature†they tend to become more Conservative.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 8:11 am
Yes thats true. BUT! not stupid. Like Garth We can see where There is a DIFFERENCE between “Neo-Con.” and Progressive-Conservative.
Something that you do not.
BTW…Garth, do you think there is any chance our dollar will come back up? On my first load from Europe, I saved over $3000. because I bought when our dollar was high and the Euro was a bit lower…would be nice if she would bounce back up.
Best wishes, from a simple little farmer’s wife. (hugs) L
By Leasa on 11.28.07 10:01 am
With the news out of the US, double the numbers of cars bought by Canadians in the US in the latest reporting period, record numbers flooding across the border to take advantage of the lower prices there, durable goods orders down for the third month in the US, Canfor laying off 300 in B.C., another lumber company in Alberta closing one shop, a summit with the Provincial finance ministers Dec 12, it is beginning to add up to a big demise in Canadian manufacturing and retailing. Once a few bite the dust, the dollar will begin to lose strength.
Good luck playing the exhange market, I did it for year as my job with all the information at my fingertips, doing it from home is a very dangerous game. Take your money and run, the information you get has already been discounted in the market.
Have a wonderful Christmas…
Harper is too good a political tactician not to understand the damage he and his party/government are taking by this approach, so why take that damage unless it is significantly less damaging than what is being concealed?
By Scotian on 11.28.07 11:50 am
Scotian hits the nail on squarely on the head.
It also makes me wonder about all the noise we hear from the Rightwing about the Liberals wanting and planning a election call in February when all the sources are “un-named” and the major writers about this are from the rightwing. February seems to be a point in time the Harper CPC don’t want to cross,… I wonder why, hmmmm,……
In the meantime, he waits,
and waits,
in a dark corner,
sipping on an Ice Cap.
By Miltonman on 11.28.07 10:35 am
Sorry, your leader, O Mighty Lord Saviour Harper, has decided to let the Ice Caps melt asap, so your statement will prove incorrect!
Mike Wallace CPC
Why does that name sound familiar? “Dr” Mike Wallace? Who once asked me to pay for a consulting job that never happened, without issuing a bill? (heh)
Imagine spending 8 long years in the Don Jail never having been convicted of any crime. Talk about grace under pressure…Karl Schreiber has it in spades. His only crime is that he played Santa Claus to some greedy, self serving politicians. And how did they repay him…they left him there to rot and be forgot…what gratitude!!! Now that he wants to sing like a stool pigeon they want him gone…out of sight and hopefully out of mind. With friends like these who needs enemies. In the meantime, the Cons give their Cons a standing ovation…what hypocrisy.
John G:I guess the National Con Post will do as well?
Tomorrow will be ‘Verrrrry interesting!’
Will Colonel Klink show up?
Sgt. Schultz? ‘Hear no evil, see no evil! Speak no evil’
Meanwhile in Germany the news is going to get even more interesting as people worldwide translate things and read ‘The rest of the story’!!!
For those not wanting to wait on others use AltaVista’s Babelfish translator
or goto German news in English
or German News in English
Hmm..Seems even Chriac is under a corruption investigation in France.
Chirac faces corruption inquiry
And Cheney is going to get a heart! Geez, what’s next…Bush gets a brain?
Cheney undergoes heart treatment
ah, yes, and another ‘politician’ is being prosecuted, former German Chancellor Kohl.
German sleaze: The story so far
Wolfgang Schaeuble was one of Germany’s most respected politicians who despite his closeness to Helmut Kohl, promised to get to the bottom of the finance scandal and ensure a full party investigation.
Sheesh, are the Harper Goon’s playing by this game book?
But on 10 January he admitted on German television that he had met the businessman at the centre of the scandal, Karlheinz Schreiber, at a CDU fundraising event in 1994 and had accepted a 100,000 deutschmark cash donation from him.
On 15 February Parliament fined the CDU a record $21m for the irregularities. Unrest grew in the parliamentary party, in particular over Mr Schaeuble’s account of the Schreiber gift.
How big are the CPC’s coffers? Did Mulroney play part in an international $100,000 per brown bag scheme? KHS sure likes that figure, eh?
Now we know wht the Cons made such an issue over AdScam…they don’t like competition! Corruption R’ Us should be their banner!
Harper Dumpty sat on a wall
Harper Dumpty had a great fall
All the Death Star Trolls and all the Backroom Boys
Couldn’t put Harper Dumpty together again. – BILL-MUSKOKA
Can we put this into consideration for the stupidest post ever?
By Lex Luthor on 11.28.07 11:16 am
Go for it Lex but I have to warn you that Miltonman/Haltonjohn would win hands down.
Cheers
But WAIT! There’s more!
Kanada: Karlheinz Schreiber gibt den Kampf nicht auf
He is a very naughty, naughty Boy. But those in political office are WORSE!
Der frühere Waffenlobbyist kämpft erbittert gegen seine Abschiebung nach Deutschland. Jetzt beantragte er eine weitere Überprüfung des Gerichtsbeschlusses, welcher seine Auslieferung gestattet hatte. Schreiber soll wegen Bestechung und millionenschwerer Steuerhinterziehung angeklagt werden.
Translated:
The earlier weapon lobbyist fights embittered against its deportation to Germany. Now he requested a further examination of the court order, which had permitted its distribution. Writer is to be accused of bribery and worth millions tax evasion.
and much more: (Where are our so-called journalists?)
The earlier weapon lobbyist Karl Heinz writer switched the highest court on of Canada again in the rope pulling around its distribution to Germany. The 73-Jaehrige requested the examination of the supreme court of a decision of the industrial tribunal in Toronto from 15 November, which had given green light for its deportation. Because of the new procedure the disputed businessman, a key figure of the CDU Spendenaffaere, can remain for the time being further in Canada.
The industrial tribunal in Toronto dealt to injustice not with new proofs, is called it in the writ at the supreme Court. Writer lawyer Edward Greenspan did not give further information. The request speak for itself, explained he. Writer is to be placed in Germany because of bribery, aid to the fraud and worth millions tax evasion before court. It resists however for more than eight years its distribution. On 15 November the industrial tribunal in Toronto had last rejected its request to examine the pushing away decision of Minister of Justice Rob Nicholson again. Writer lawyers had argued, it give new proofs that Germany wanted to use bank documents from Switzerland for the procedure against their mandator for injustice. The court did not consider a recent clarifying of the state of affairs necessary. This decision wants to now contest writers. The case has special explosiveness in Canada, because writer had raised recently heavy reproaches against the former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney. Afterwards Mulroney is to have ready-clarified itself still during its term of office to the acceptance of 300,000 dollar bribe of writer. A parliamentary commission of inquiry is to clarify the reproaches.
You can translate the rest if you are interested.
Besides, we all know that as people “grow up†and “mature†they tend to become more Conservative.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 8:11 am
It depends on how you define “Conservative” but since you are using the capitalized version I assume you mean the new version. Many who support this new party may not necessarily support the ideology behind it but still support the party. That ideology appeals more to those who have not reached what they see as their maximum earning capacity.
You have to understand that the new Conservative Party is more concerned with tearing down what has been created in the past than conserving it and implementing an experiment based on theory that has not worked in the past.
As a person matures they come to understand how things work in a more practical sense rather than in a unrealistic theory.
Older people do tend to be more socially conservative but it is not clear whether this new party is really socially conservative or merely using certain elements of social conservatism to gain votes.
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 11:49 am
Zort –
I did not say that the address was my address. I said Ed’s info would be forwarded from that address.
What’s with you liberals. Always needing to have things explained over and over and over.
By keith phibbs on 11.28.07 12:00 pm
Richardo Lipopski –
It’s nice to see you have joined us today.
Zorpheous:
Of the 5:
Milton Man
Halton John
Harry S
John G
Leasa
Leasa is the only one with a real set of balls to answer the touch questions, instead of retorting with some brilliant 13% remark.
I’ll give them a nice big old fat chance to reply – because we all want to hear the answer:
If the Conservatives are so innocent, wouldn’t they want ALL the facts to come to light?
What do they have to hide?
Isn’t this all about transparency and ACCOUNTABILITY in government?
“I just checked with UPS and Purolator. They say there is no such address. Were you lying to me?”
By Ed Brooks on 11.28.07 11:57 am
Ed.
No, I was not lying. The problem Ed, is that you don’t believe.
Take a minute and be positive. Think of your youth, sugar plums, and other sweet things.
Then call them again.
Our elected members are acting like a bunch of idiots attempting to exploit and stain their opponents. Unfortunately they couldn’t care less about the truth or what is best for Canada. It wouldn’t surprise me if they all get played in this affair. They have created this hysteria and drama over information that was made public over 5 years ago.
Even the reporters are all shaking their heads at this latest display of dimwitted partisan games. Garth is among the worse of the todays politician who is prepared to say anything to hang his opponent. His articles say nothing of what his Liberal party will do for Canada. It is 99% cut, thrash, slash,criticize, slander, bash and maul the Conservatives and his close friend Stephen Harper. How anyone can say with conviction they would support a man of his character is beyond me??
There is no doubt that the Conservatives are really botching the Schreiber issue.
I cannot understand why Harper did not stick with his original plan. Instead he allowed Mulroney push him into a flip-flop that made no sense at the time.
Now the entire Conservative government is acting inconsistently whether on his orders or not is hard to tell. It may be that they have become so dependent on his autocratic rule that no one dare make an independent decision.
People who know Rob Nicholson tell me that he is basically a good guy who will obediently follow and never question authority. He is now being forced into a untenable position. When he backed into a corner his nice guy image is tainted and he begins to look the same as the other angry middle aged men that dominate the new Conservative Party.
What this issue shows is that Harper gets more impulsive than decisive when the going gets tough.
I think I figured out who Halton John/Miltonman is….Could it be the Rev. Charles McVety…He’s in Milton, and many of the remarks I’ve heard here seem to aprot many of the comments made on his stints on the radio..Just a guess
By C. B. Innes on 11.28.07 1:16 pm
If indeed the Conservatives are struggling with how to handle this issue, it may be a demonstration of the inherent weakness of the “Strong Leader” style of Mr. Harper.
If Mr. Harper insists on juggling all the balls and pulling all the strings, how long before he drops one? Maybe this is it.
There is an inherent problam in not trusting your own MPs and Cabinet Ministers. Perhaps the control he is exerting is too strict.
From a land far away and a time long ago… for sure, check out the last few lines of the story.
From http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/article/0,,191958,00.html
Schreiber: The man who would topple kings
A German businessman’s revelations have prompted a string of investigations, and he may have only exposed the tip of the iceberg
John Hooper in Berlin
Friday January 14, 2000
The Guardian
Multinational businessman Karlheinz Schreiber, whose donation disclosures are at the root of the scandal rocking German politics, is one of the most intriguing figures to have been thrust into the floodlit glare of the international stage.
His revelations have set off a string of investigations – by prosecutors, politicians, police and journalists – which have entangled Germany’s pre-eminent statesman, Helmut Kohl, and Mr Kohl’s successor as the leader of the Christian Democrats (CDU), Wolfgang Schäuble.
But Mr Schreiber is also a central figure in another probe involving sums of money vastly greater than any shown to have been given to Germany’s conservatives.
When he was arrested in Toronto last August, the Mounties found Mr Schreiber, who holds dual German and Canadian nationality, was carrying a bag containing the equivalent of £12,500 in nine currencies.
Dubbed the “King of Schmooze” by the Canadian press, the silver-haired Mr Schreiber has forged an astonishing network of powerful connections on both sides of the Atlantic; his bail was arranged with the help of two former Canadian cabinet ministers – one from each of the main parties.
Though often described as an arms dealer, Mr Schreiber is in no sense a professional in the business of weapons trading. Born in Bavaria in 1934, he grew to maturity in the tough, bleak environment of devastated, post-war Germany. He left school at 16 and went to work in a department store, but was soon trading on his own account, importing carpets from what was then Persia.
At a press conference earlier this week, Mr Schäuble provoked chortles when he said that he had been introduced to Mr Schreiber as someone whose firm put the lines on autobahns – yet it was true. In the late 1950s or early 1960s, Mr Schreiber took a stake in a company near Munich that specialised in paving and road marking.
He later acquired control. Firms such as these depend almost entirely on public-sector contracts. So, from an early stage in his business career, Mr Schreiber coveted political contacts and goodwill.
In the mid-70s, he went international. Opec had just sent oil prices soaring and Mr Schreiber expanded into the booming, petroleum-rich Canadian province of Alberta. It was not long before he had moved on from roads to real estate. He founded several property investment companies and persuaded a number of leading figures in Alberta’s ruling Progressive Conservative party to sit on his companies’ boards.
His influence later grew to the extent that, as a friend of the late Franz Josef Strauss, then head of the Bavarian government and chairman of Airbus Industrie, Mr Schreiber helped to broker a $1.5bn sale of 34 Airbus jets to Air Canada in 1988.
It was not just the biggest aircraft order in Canada’s history, but it also the cause of one of the country’s most explosive political controversies.
In 1995, with the RCMP digging into the circumstances surrounding the deal, a government lawyer wrote to the Swiss authorities asking them for help. The letter alleged that Mr Schreiber had used a Zurich bank account to pay the former prime minister, Brian Mulroney, a C$5m (£2.1m) kickback.
Mr Mulroney sued and two years later won an apology and a settlement of C$2m. The government also apologised to Mr Schreiber, but did not offer him any compensation.
When the RCMP arrested Mr Schreiber in August, it was for a different, though related, reason. The security force was acting on an arrest warrant issued by prosecutors in Bavaria, who accused Mr Schreiber of failing to pay tax of DM25m (£8m) on commission it said he received from deals he brokered in the late 80s and early 90s. One was for the sale of German armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia.
Mr Schreiber’s disclosure that he handed more than DM1m in cash to the CDU in the same year was the match that lit the fuse under Germany’s Christian Democrats.
Though the personalities and circumstances of the two men are quite different, Mr Schreiber’s role in German politics is starting to resemble that which Licio Gelli, head of the powerful P2 Masonic lodge, once played in Italian affairs.
Unlike Gelli, Mr Schreiber has never been convicted of any offence. But, as with Gelli, there is a pattern of affinity with the political right.
Mr Schreiber, moreover, has shown that, like Italy’s “puppet master”, he is the keeper of many explosive secrets. And, as he battles to avoid extradition from Canada to his native Germany, he has let some of those secrets filter out to devastating effect.
What remains to be seen is how much more he can – and indeed wants to – reveal.
Last November, he said: “I promise it will become very nasty.”
So far, he has been as good as his word.
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 11:38 am
Okay, so they (CPC) members either abstain or vote for it in the house. They vote against in Committee YET they know in Committee that they are out-voted…so maybe they are just trying to make a point on their own? Since they were out-voted anyway…Mr. Harper couldn’t care less which way they voted in committee because he already knows the outcome. I think the Prime Minister of Canada has a few more things on his mind than Krazy Karl and his threats of blackmail and antics to stay in the country. I know if one thing will piss off Mr. Harper it would be having a criminal blackmailer get away with essentially telling this country what to do. You know what else? Krafty Krazy Karl is not going to ‘tell all’ to committee…he will maybe tell all his lies during the inquiry IF Canada agrees to letting him stay within our borders indefinitely.
Just watch.
Leasa
We’re all victims of a Heinz-lick-maneuver and we don’t even know it.
By C. B. Innes on 11.28.07 12:52 pm
Halton John is not far off the mark, but I think the explanation is fairly simple.
When we were young and impressionable and didn’t have to pay taxes the social programs advocated by the left were attractive. When we got older and started earning our own way and paid a lot of taxes, it suddenly became clear to us, that we didn’t want to pay for all those programs. Hence, we become conservatives, believing in lower taxes.
A good example is the Autoworkers in Oshawa and environs. For an area that has strong union roots and would naturally be expected to support the NDP, they have elected a lot of conservatives over the years.
What’s with you liberals. Always needing to have things explained over and over and over.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 12:56 pm
Yup, they need it explained to them. Now how about explaining Harper, Ethics Committee, Minister of Justice obstructionist flip-flop John. Leasa had the balls to take a stab at it? Does Leasa have more balls than you?
Or should we just save time and go back to talking about kittens? and the magic 13%
“If Thibault’s chart is half true, I’d now say, Rob Nicholson had reason to slump. His boss is toast.” – Garth
Why exactly is Rob Nicholson’s boss toast? Want to share your “wisdom” with us – or do you prefer to put out silly claims, unsupported by any facts.
Wait for it. — Garth
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 1:03 pm
I did as you requested. Explained the situation to them very specifically. Imagine that, they are really annoyed with you.
If you get a package from UPS or Purolator this Christmas, I would advise you use great care opening it. (I told them you had a real hankering for chicken $hit from KFC. They were angry enough that they just might do it.)
People skills, John, people skills. Now you’ve gone and annoyed Canada Post.
What this issue shows is that Harper gets more impulsive than decisive when the going gets tough.
By C. B. Innes on 11.28.07 1:16 pm
Let me rephrase…”When the going gets tough, the CONS CRAP out.”
Why exactly is Rob Nicholson’s boss toast? Want to share your “wisdom†with us – or do you prefer to put out silly claims, unsupported by any facts.
Wait for it. — Garth
By Oscar on 11.28.07 1:44 pm
It will probably come out when a Liberal party policy is brought out., I was told to wait for that before. Good thing I am not holding my breath.
Liberals oppose most anything the government puts forth. Liberals do not provide solutions for what they oppose in any sort of timely fashion. Sad state our parliament is at right now.
CAITI…a Senior’s best friend.
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/
I used to use that strategy to. Tell people that I was liberal and now I am Conservative. Hey, it’s a good line. But now, I could never say I was once a liberal. How could I have ever been that stupid and gullible. Besides, we all know that as people “grow up†and “mature†they tend to become more Conservative.
By Haltonjohn on 11.28.07 8:11 am
But the ones who grow up and gain some common sense and smarten up become liberal.
What this issue shows is that Harper gets more impulsive than decisive when the going gets tough.
By C. B. Innes on 11.28.07 1:16 pm
This is classic behavour of the Control Freak CB. They function fine when they have power, when they able to control things, but as soon a their plans hit a snag, they start to unravel like cheap sweater.
Harper isn’t a Leader, he never was a Leader. If the Liberals have something on him, they had best go for the throat right now. They don’t need to kill the Harper Government, just wound it. Harper will finish the job on his own.
I have read a lot bloggers who are asking WTF? This doesn’t make sense, and the only way for this to make sense is if there is something that Harper doesn’t want in the light.
It seems the political cost of having the questions go un-answered is less damaging then having the question answered. This doesn’t mean there was something illegal here, it just maybe one those damn inconvenient political truths coming to light. Of course if Harper tries to obstruct he could trigger his own funeral.
What’s the old saying,… It’s usually the cover up that gets you in more trouble than the actual event you’re trying to hide?
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
FYI anyone:story, Google’s Goal: Renewable Energy cheper than coal.
Google may outspend the USA Federal Goverment on renewable Energy Research.
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/google-renewable-energy-47112801
Why exactly is Rob Nicholson’s boss toast? Want to share your “wisdom†with us – or do you prefer to put out silly claims, unsupported by any facts.
Wait for it. — Garth
By Oscar on 11.28.07 1:44 pm
TOAST??? YOU WANT THE TOAST??? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TOAST!!!!
Garth give them the toast ~evil grin~
We’re all victims of a Heinz-lick-maneuver and we don’t even know it.
By Leasa on 11.28.07 1:29 pm
No Leasa. We know it. We all know it. Even the Liberals know it. They’re sooooo desperate they’ll do anything. Even hitching their 1 wheeled wagon to Schrieber’s lame horse.
I challenge the Liberals to, if KHS proves to be a liar, to admit publically that they allowed themselves to be used by a criminal to escape justice. And not just a public mea culpa, but to include in all their campaign literature for the following election that they allowed themselves to be duped. But they’d never agree to this because they know KHS is a liar and is using them to avoid justice and they’re allowing him to do it.
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
FYI: New energy effient LEDs.
http://www.thedailygreen.com/green-homes/eco-friendly/led-efficient-lighting-461128
The liberals are willing to take the word of a Con man desparate not to be deported to face the authorities in Germany. On his word they are willing to have reputations trashed. For political parties so desparate themselves to go to detention centres for some ammo to defame the opponents, should have to finance the legal expenses from their own parties assets.
I despise my money going to these witch hunts, but have no power to hold them back.
We’re all victims of a Heinz-lick-maneuver and we don’t even know it.
By Leasa on 11.28.07 1:29 pm
Thank you Leasa, you could be right on this, although I don’t buy the MP’s voting one and then another because it makes Harper look bad, the optics are not good.
At least you have the balls to answer, which more than can be said for other.
We may not agree on much, but at least you will stand behind your principles ans answer as honestly as you can. I can respect that and I think other here should as well.
Thank you.
Zorph.
I’d argue that if I diagram is needed to explain it, the average voter isn’t going to get it. Unless Harper has done something that could reasonably lead to an RCMP investigation and/or criminal charges, this is a losing issue in the court of public opinion.
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
Why are lawless gangs on Drug being allowed to have guns?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/27/blackwater.iraq/
Mr Garth TurnerMP.
USA Debt clock link.
$9,136,438,140,145.40
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Why does PMSH want to harmanize Canada with the USA through the shadowy dealing of the SPP? Who is he really working for?
T-Roy, I found your comment most interesting.
But, I can’t find anything, after an exhaustive search, corroborating your claim of big play in the European media. Coudl you provide some sources.
Also, Jelinek was never Minister of Finance in any Mulroney cabinet. The cabinet posts he held were: Minister of State for Fitness and Amateur Sport, and the Minister responsible for Multiculturalism. In 1988, he was named to Minister of Supply and Services, and later, Minister of National Revenue.
He does, however, currently reside in his place of birth, the Czech Republic.
http://www.radio.cz/en/article/74402
http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2006/01/11/changing-faces.php
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
Seeing QP today, PMSH has no clothes regarding climate change. He is a mad sociopth. He does even care about his own kids future. The latest IPCC report only gives us to 2012 at the latest to keep the planet form becoming a living Hell!
PHSH doesn’t get it!!! What is the plan to help us all get the job do to stop CO2 increases in time? Not by 2020 or 2050, it’ll be to late
Renewable will help and Nuclear power is the only ready now technologies that can help us meet the co2 reductions need and keep the lights on.
No Leasa. We know it. We all know it. Even the Liberals know it. They’re sooooo desperate they’ll do anything. Even hitching their 1 wheeled wagon to Schrieber’s lame horse.
I challenge the Liberals to, if KHS proves to be a liar, to admit publically that they allowed themselves to be used by a criminal to escape justice. And not just a public mea culpa, but to include in all their campaign literature for the following election that they allowed themselves to be duped. But they’d never agree to this because they know KHS is a liar and is using them to avoid justice and they’re allowing him to do it.
By Reid on 11.28.07 2:03 pm
Desperate is one thing, stupid is another. The Liberals are not going hang hat on KHS peg without having some measure of proof from KHS. To think that Liberals would be stupid enough to simple take his word without some measure of tangible proof goes beyond the moronic.
Is the truth worth all this expense and time? I have no idea. Yet Steve Janke today suggested that the CPC and Minister of Justice were actually trying to save the Liberals from themselves, which is even less likely.
I agree with you though,the Liberals had better have some evidence from KHS that they are and were able to double check before this circus started, else they will look damn right foolish.
Remember half of this is about allowing others enough rope to hang themselves.
I can only see one logical set of events that would lead up to what we are seeing here,… well two. One of being that KHS is a brilliant liar and has been able to forge a fake evidence trail that may only be uncovered in full public inquiry,… the other possibility,… well I ain’t going to say,… one could could sued for saying the truth before it is proven in a court of law.
But the ones who grow up and gain some common sense and smarten up become liberal.
By Emilie on 11.28.07 1:56 pm
No, those who grow up and gain common sense learn to question authority, Liberal or Conservative or NDP or Bloc.
By mocha on 11.28.07 2:05 pm
“The liberals are willing to take the word of a Con man desparate not to be deported to face the authorities in Germany. On his word they are willing to have reputations trashed…..”
I’m sure that documented proof will come into play somewhere along the line. Otherwise, I doubt this issue would have been so vigorously pursued.
Without “witchhunts”, Adscam would have never come to light. The only difference now is that the shoe is on the other foot. If the current government is implicated in anyway, I want to know.
Mr Turner
I watched question period and did not get the smae impression about the Justice minister. The questions that were asked yesterday and today by the Liberals left a lot to be desired. If those two individuals did something wrong then let the chips fall where they may. I guess we will have to wait for the tale of woe and then lets send him to face justice.
Garth give them the toast ~evil grin~
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 1:59 pm
Jack is alive and well! LMAO! Nicholson that is, not Layton!
“in this witch hunt at all.”
By Leasa on 11.28.07 10:09 am
I get it Leasa.
See Zorph, when the Conservatives go on a fishing expedition, it’s called “standing up for Canada” and being “accountable” and “transparent”.
When Liberals pursue allegations of rife corruption on MANY times the magnitude, why, it’s a witch hunt!
I’m just waiting for Harper to croon the line “It’s not fair, It’s not fair!”
I’ll ask the Gang of Five again:
Milton Man
Halton John
Harry S
John G
Leasa
Is it really true that what’s good for the goose is really good for the gander?
And moreover, why the double standard? When criminals testified against Liberals at Gomery, you guys accepted the testimony at face value.
When Schreiber, an alleged criminal, talks, why – everything he says is thrown out?
Why should we believe anything that this stonewalling government says?
he will maybe tell all his lies during the inquiry IF Canada agrees to letting him stay within our borders indefinitely.
We’re all victims of a Heinz-lick-maneuver and we don’t even know it.
By Leasa on 11.28.07 1:29 pm
Its the way its done. Quit kibitzing
Lies? How do you know? Looking in the crystal ball again?
After reviewing Herr Schreiber’s background, connections, the wake of political corruption associated with him, it would only be logical to perceive that this Duck is a DUCK! Likewise, those closely associated with him are, therefore, Dead Ducks!’
I would really like to know what KHS has on the Liberal party. Especially Lalonde…he has bailed KHS out of jail so many times, one would think they are related.
BTW, Garth, if you get a chance, please ask Mr Dion where Canada’s $40+ million dollars are and when the party intends to start paying back that money.
Anyone get a chuckle from today’s Globe? 12 dinner guests for the prisoner. Hmmm? I wonder who Karlheinz would invite and what would be on the menu?
Hmmmm…So many want to paint Schreiber as the villian in this matter. Let’s see who he has been dealing with? Mulroney, Harper, Kohl, the former Bavarian Prime Minister, and the list of POLITICIANS goes on and on. He is now an old man with many secrets, and nothing to lose in exposing the total corruption that the MSM love to overlook, as do the Conswervative parties around the world.
The Piper has his bag fully inflated, time for the chanter to start playing, and play it will.
Just in case anyone has missed the point, it was the POLITICIANS who played to Mr. Schreiber. It was the POLITICAL LEADERS who have partaken of his bribes. They are the GUILTY ONES that we must demand justice to bring them to account for their betrayal of we the PEOPLE’s TRUST!
Cheap WHORES that were for sale, and now they are going to get BUSTED! GOOD! EXCELLENT! May the fines and imprisonment fit the crimes regardless of political affiliation, but why so many CONSERVATIVES ON THE TAKE?
Remember, the REAL LIARS are the politicians who, while in OFFICE, took illegal bribes and kickbacks. Schreiber was merely the BAG MAN! A Bag Man with all the details, and evidence to PROVE who the real criminals are.
I wonder when Cheney and Bush will become part of this worldwide scheme of graft and corruption?
Is that TOAST I smell burning? Yes, indeed it is!
I think everyone here has to admit one thing, this has made for some very interesting political theater? I wonder if the second act will live up to the build up we have seen so far.
What is interesting is that dispite the claims of Blogging Tories and CPC Harper Bots that KHS will blow up in the Liberal’s faces and damage them beyond all repair (thus give Harper a landslide majority), they all seem very eager to ship him home and have the Liberals of this huge embarrassment.
You know, it just a kindness of the CPC to ship KHS home and save the Liberals from themselves and to fight an honest election based on positive campaigning and good policies,… bahahahahahaha Oh man I almost got that out without laugh, almost ~snicker~
BTW, if you believe that load of BS, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you too
When we got older and started earning our own way and paid a lot of taxes, it suddenly became clear to us, that we didn’t want to pay for all those programs. Hence, we become conservatives, believing in lower taxes.
Ed Brooks on 11.28.07 1:34 pm,
Then when they reach their retirement age most realize that the social programs that their taxes created are really important for them when they are no longer are at the peak of their earning years. Health care, seniors housing, home care, public transportation, public pensions, all become important elements in contributing to their quality of life during their declining years.
What many seniors have learned from the Income Trust issue is that private investments for retirement income can evaporate in an instant with a conservative that focuses on the group that you refer to above who wants investment growth rather than income and could care less about those who came before them (it is all part of the “greed is good” ideology).
That is what the income trust issue was all about: a government that placed investment for GDP growth above all other considerations. The decision to kill the business model rather than regulate it so that seniors could use it as a means for generating retirement income was behind that concept. That is the kind of neo-conservative ideology that Progressive Conservative leader Robert Stanfield once warned about.
Garth: – According to you Thibault said “I had the opportunity to talk to KS…” Don’t you think KS sent the Libs letters also, and that is how Thibault ‘took the bait’ by contacting KS for a ‘talk’? The way Thibault put it to you is like he bumped into him on the street or something. I don’t buy it.Thibault should recuse himself from the Committee, and he should be called to testify what he was told here. He was not on the Committee, and I note he is acting in the place of Glen Pearson.
Desperate is one thing, stupid is another. The Liberals are not going hang hat on KHS peg without having some measure of proof from KHS. To think that Liberals would be stupid enough to simple take his word without some measure of tangible proof goes beyond the moronic.
Is the truth worth all this expense and time? I have no idea. Yet Steve Janke today suggested that the CPC and Minister of Justice were actually trying to save the Liberals from themselves, which is even less likely.
I agree with you though,the Liberals had better have some evidence from KHS that they are and were able to double check before this circus started, else they will look damn right foolish.
Remember half of this is about allowing others enough rope to hang themselves.
I can only see one logical set of events that would lead up to what we are seeing here,… well two. One of being that KHS is a brilliant liar and has been able to forge a fake evidence trail that may only be uncovered in full public inquiry,… the other possibility,… well I ain’t going to say,… one could could sued for saying the truth before it is proven in a court of law.
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 2:27 pm
I actually think the Libs are that stupid. The last time they showed any intelligence was when Da Little Guy was Da Boss. Since then they’ve been pretty vacuous.
I think Janke is spinning as bad as Cherniak normally does on this one.
And as for KHS’s lying & forging abilities… let’s not forget he was a German spy (I can’t bring myself to use the term: intelligence agent w.r.t. him).
If loyal neo-Cons, such as Leasa, are hanging their hats on Schreiber being a liar, they will be in for a rude awakening. This is the man at the center of the two greatest political scandals in post-war Germany, who brought the reputation of an ex-Chancellor of Germany crashing down, who caused the resignation of a leader of the Christian Democratic Union, and who got one former German Secretary of State for Defence and two former managers of Tyssen Industries convicted – without ever appearing as a witness.
Schreiber is corrupt, but only because there are political and corporate leaders who are corruptible. He has the goods, if he wants to spill them. There are voices in Germany who maintain that Germany does not want him back any more than Canada wants to keep him. Unlikely? Well, the leader of the Christian Democratic Union who had to resign over having received improper campaign donations from Schreiber happens to be the current Interior Minister of Germany. I’m sure he would love to hear Schreiber tell all in court.
If Schreiber were a mere liar, he would have been a non-issue for the past eight years, and there hardly would be politicians on both sides of the Atlantic trying to pass bricks unobtrusively.
Be sure to watch the ETHIC show on http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/parlvuen%2Dca/ tomorrow. If Schreiber decides to perform on this stage, it will be fascinating.
Poor Karl…he thought he could buy Canadian politicians when everybody knows that you can only rent them. I don’t know why the Cons hate him so. He spread a few dollars around, quite a few dollars I might add, sold a few aeroplanes(very good aeroplanes I might add) and did a little lobbying. People gladly took his money and had a darn good time spending it…after all most of it was tax free. Karl has never been convicted of a crime and has always been a good neighbour and, lest we forget, he is a Canadian citizen in good standing. Perhaps, it is his German background that so riles the Cons. It can’t be the odour of corruption(which they are used to)or depriving a foreign Govt of a little tax revenue that bothers them so. It is no suprise that a little odour of corruption is hardly noticed in conservative circles and scamming the tax man is looked upon as an art by many. And, why pray tell, do the Cons keep refering to this Canadian citizen of German extraction as a liar…certainly there is no proof that this is the case and there are many fine Canadian citizens who will attest to his veracity. Could it be that the Cons are so enrapt by mendacity that they cannot tell the truth from an untruth or perhaps they just don’t plain care. After all, most of the Cons would rather tell a lie even if the truth would suffice.
Zorpheous & Bill Muskoka
You can be sure that members of the Parl. Justice Committee will be asking KHS if he had similar dealings with any Liberal Politicians.
I hope that did not happen. And I don’t see any fearful Liberal Politicians. What I do see is some very nervous Conservative Politicians (PMSH and Rob Nicholson). Any others will come out of the woodwork but presently they are told to shut up.
Has anyone ever heard of a “criminal” who kept very very copious notes on every transaction he was involved in ? Do other so called criminals keep detailed notes of all they have done to make the real criminals ?
I don’t think so. I think that in the end the German Government will get a conviction for Tax Evasion, but even that is doubtful because much of his tax evasion time was done when he was a resident of Switzerland.
KHS is indeed a wheeler dealer and a very astute one. It has made him a rich man, which was only possible when Politicians agreed to play with him.
We are in for a very interesting few months and we may even see an election in the middle of that period. As long as Harper does not think that an election will eliminate his problems.
I think everyone here has to admit one thing, this has made for some very interesting political theater? I wonder if the second act will live up to the build up we have seen so far.
I suggested at the start of this whole thing that no one would emerge unscathed; that no one would come out smelling like a rose. Just too much fertilizer.
Does anyone want to speculate as to how cooperative KHS will be? Will he demand that all plans to extradite him be cancelled in return for his testimony?
After all, what has he got to lose? What is his motivation to cooperate?
Could be interesting…
What is interesting is that dispite the claims of Blogging Tories and CPC Harper Bots that KHS will blow up in the Liberal’s faces and damage them beyond all repair (thus give Harper a landslide majority), they all seem very eager to ship him home and have the Liberals of this huge embarrassment.
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 3:27 pm
You are definately over simplifying things with that statement.
You must remember that Harper comes from the Reform background. And I know you all haven’t forgotten because of the claims from the Liberal side about how the government is run by Reformers.
Well if you remember your history, Reformers exist BECAUSE of Mulroney. There’s no love between the two. Most Reformers couldn’t give a flying eff if Mulroney gets hung out to dry. And most Reformers have no ties to Mulroney. So to think this will taint the PM is ridiculous. Harper may have used Mulroney as an advisor. But let’s face it, Mulroney was a successfull politician and it’s smart to pick his brains. Just like it would be smart of Dion to get advice from Chretien. There are parallels between the two and that can’t be denied.
But association does not make one guilty. It that was the case, the ENTIRE Liberal Party would be guilty of Sponsorship by assiociation with those who’ve been found guilty.
Now, as far as people trying to taint Peter McKay…. I’d like to remind you all of this:
Liberals kill anti-terror act… Navdeep Bains is a Liberal… anti-terror act would help in Air India investigation… Navdeep’s father is wanted to answer questions before the enquiry… killing the anti-terror act prevents Navdeep’s from testifying.
Remember the Liberal outrage?
It cuts both ways.
Garth. I am new to your blog, I find your perspective interesting. Where else can one find a blogger who has a view from the ground floor of the House of Commons, who has been a Progressive Conservative Gov’t Minister, a Conservative MP and a Liberal MP, can reflect from all of those viewpoints and give us a standard of comparison. Priceless as the commercial says. However, for the life of me I cannot understand how you tolerate some of the completely absurd people who regularly comment on your blog. They do not just provide an opinion on the issue at hand, they get down to name calling among each other. Why don’t you just delete them and make room for people who have something intelligent to say?
Like Canada, this is a free speech zone. — Garth
If loyal neo-Cons, such as Leasa, are hanging their hats on Schreiber being a liar, they will be in for a rude awakening.
By Herb on 11.28.07 3:38 pm
We don’t want to see KHS go back to Germany because we love Mulroney and want to protect him. We want KHS gone because he’s making a mockery of Canada. He’s using this to avoid justice in Germany and we’re falling right into it. That’s what disgusts me about all of this.
And at the end of the day, the politicians who used this for partisan purposes will just walk away and say, “oh well, we had the country’s best interests at hear,” when nothing could be further from the truth.
It makes me want to puke!
This is the major difference between conservatives and liberals:
Conservatives, by and large, think that liberals are misguided. Liberals, on the other hand, think conservatives are evil.
That is a major difference,
and by considering the conservatives as evil, liberals thus give themselves permission to lie, cheat, steal, dissemble, obfuscate, and otherwise behave despicably in their quest for power.
For, of course, they are only doing it to combat evil.
By Brooks A. Mick, M.D
But the ones who grow up and gain some common sense and smarten up become liberal.
By Emilie on 11.28.07 1:56 pm
No, those who grow up and gain common sense learn to question authority, Liberal or Conservative or NDP or Bloc.
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 2:30 pm
You say Liberal, I say liberal.
BTW, Garth, if you get a chance, please ask Mr Dion where Canada’s $40+ million dollars are and when the party intends to start paying back that money.
By Jim on 11.28.07 2:58 pm
Jim, read the Gomery report. It will enlighten you and the mystery will be solved where the close to $50m is and who is being sued to repay the taxpayer.
Or do you not want the facts from Gomery cause that would take away one of your sticks that you use to beat Liberals.
And while you are searching for the facts, ask your leader Steve who financed his leadership campaigns.
“TOAST??? YOU WANT THE TOAST??? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TOAST!!!!
Garth give them the toast ~evil grin~”
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 1:59 pm
Great post, Zorph. Maybe, just maybe, you or Garth can back up your claim with something other than “wait for it” or a lame attempt at humour.
I’ll wait Garth. Just like I am waiting for you to live up to your previous exhortations on how floor-crossers should face the electorate. Just like I am waiting for you to ignore the wishes of the people of your riding and crash some other Santa Claus parade.
Wait. That is all we can do.
Zorpheous:
Thanks for picking up on why I now think there must be some real problem for Harper in this file. I have never denied Harper is a very sharp political tactician, indeed part of the reason I have been so worried about him and his policies is how successful/capable he has been to date in that regard. If he was someone I saw as incompetent this way then I would not perceive a major threat from him.
That he is willing to take the level of perception damage to his best trump card against the Liberals, namely the claim that the CPC is an ethical honest and accountable party/government while the Libs are all crooks and liars, well that forces asking what could be so damaging that this is the lesser damage to take?
I mean really, the last thing most governments will do is act in a manner that can only be reasonably read as cover-up of something they may have done wrong (not necessarily criminal either, something can be legal and still be incredibly politically damaging to a party/government) yet the refusal of Nicholson to delay/suspend Schreiber’s extradition while simultaneously setting up a public inquiry that will be required to have Schreiber’s testimony to have a chance at getting anywhere looks bad enough. Add in the claims by Nicholson that he hasn’t the authority to do so despite every legal outside expert and the legal consul for Parliament contradicting this only makes that look that much worse.
Harper is not this stupid tactically, and he clearly understands the importance of perception in politics, so why is he taking this route? The only reasonable explanation is what I said before, that whatever is being hidden he believes would be significantly more politically damaging than looking like he is covering up for Brian Mulroney, a PM still despised by the clear majority within this nation. The desperation of the CPC to avoid this issue speaks volumes for the fear that is clearly being felt by Harper on this issue, especially given the tight top down authoritarian manner that Harper runs his party/government.
No amount of smearing Schreiber (who is not a criminal, last time I looked he has never been convicted of criminal charges anywhere), no amount of trying to smear the Liberals with Schreiber can change the reality that the CPC has acted in a manner akin to the reactions of those caught in a police raid of some sort of gambling/drug ring. Flailing/running every which way to try and get rid of any evidence and find an escape before one is caught is what I mean for those too incapable of understanding that is what the comparison is for and not an attempt to claim the government is full of drug dealers/gamblers (although I would think the latter choice could be argued given the way this government operates, but that is another story).
No, something about this is scaring Harper and threatens his hopes for a future majority government, and given that Harper’s involvement can pretty much only be to cover up after the fact once in office (what else could Harper have to do with a scandal this old in a party he left because of the leader/Mulroney) for that former PM in some manner that would be seen as very politically damaging if not potentially criminal. Therefore there is more than sufficient grounds for the opposition parties to go after Harper thanks in no small part to Harper’s own actions since this first started to blow up several weeks ago.
Well, on that note I will not likely be back until tomorrow, have to go out this evening to aid the parents (Dad’s broken leg is healing well, but it was bad enough that it will take time for those interested in knowing) and not likely to be back online until suppertime tomorrow. Until then take care all…
You can be sure that members of the Parl. Justice Committee will be asking KHS if he had similar dealings with any Liberal Politicians.
By Bob R on 11.28.07 3:49 pm
If there were Liberal Politicians on the take from KHS, then I say hang them as well. If the proof is there, then lets clean the House of Commons! Graft, bribes or whatever. I am very sick of the corruption that comes with power.
Great post, Zorph. Maybe, just maybe, you or Garth can back up your claim with something other than “wait for it†or a lame attempt at humour.
By Oscar on 11.28.07 4:04 pm
Sorry Oscar, all I willing to offer is toast right now. For a slice of toast ~grin~ visit my blog and you will get the joke, but you might not find it funny. Maybe I’ll try to sweeten it later with some jam
If the Conservatives are so innocent, wouldn’t they want ALL the facts to come to light?
What do they have to hide?
Isn’t this all about transparency and ACCOUNTABILITY in government?
“If there were Liberal Politicians on the take from KHS, then I say hang them as well. If the proof is there, then lets clean the House of Commons! Graft, bribes or whatever. I am very sick of the corruption that comes with power.”
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 4:10 pm
When I heard Pat Martin on a radio interview he said both parties have skeletons in their closets. It should make for an interesting inquiry especially with Jean Cretian saying that inquiries don’t solve much. Maybe there is something he doesn’t want made public?
Zorpheus and Scotian, as usual you guys hit the nail on the head (in your own unique ways
…
There is a clear trend of the CPC to lie and to find any which way they can to cover it up. God forbid that the truth makes its way out to affect their dreams of majority-status…
Personally, I’ve been more interested in the fact that the CPC sat on this information. Wasn’t KHS active in the Alberta oil patch? Maybe history (Clark vs. Mulroney) repeated itself during the CPC leadership bid…?
I also think that KHS probably is not all that happy that the CPC is trying to thwart his attempts at staying in Canada.
How this all plays out in the next few days will be interesting…and the vociferous manner in which the CPC robots are trying to pooh-pooh his upcoming testimony, not to mention attacking the committee itself, makes this all the more compelling…
Theatre? Perhaps. Although given the portrayed behaviour of the Liberal members, it seems they may be the most level-headed of the bunch.
Besides…even universal truths can be learned from theatre…
Austin
YOu all seem to forget the Mulroney wants an inquiry.
Also, do you recall that Schreiber wanted Mulroney to use political influence and interference on his deportation to Germany last summer. He gave Mulroney a letter to Harper that he wanted Mulroney to pass on during a Harper/Mulroney family get together. Mulroney refused to give Harper the letter, which was the right thing. A Prime MInister cannot and should not get involved with judiciary proceedings.
However, Schreiber let it slip that this letter was all about how Brian Mulroney had nothing to do with any political lobbying while he was PM; how he was not involved in the Airbus contract and that he was retained by Schreiber’s companies as a consultant and lawyer for future work after Mulroney left government.
Gosh – do you think Mulroney is looking forward to presenting this Schreiber letter to the Ethics committee?
Garth: – According to you Thibault said “I had the opportunity to talk to KS…†Don’t you think KS sent the Libs letters also, and that is how Thibault ‘took the bait’ by contacting KS for a ‘talk’? The way Thibault put it to you is like he bumped into him on the street or something. I don’t buy it.Thibault should recuse himself from the Committee, and he should be called to testify what he was told here. He was not on the Committee, and I note he is acting in the place of Glen Pearson.
By Barb on 11.28.07 3:30 pm
That, in and of itself, raises much suspicion. Why did all the parties receive the letter except the liberals? Why was Robert meeting with Karl?
There appears to be a quid pro quo here. Karl and Robert conspire to give testimony to link Mulroney and Harper to a payoff and coverup. In return Karl gets to stay in Canada and avoid prosecution in Germany where he will spend the rest of his life in prison.
The libs smear the cons with fabricated testimony and thus win the next election on corruption allegations. Karl lives happily ever after under the protection of a lib government.
Corruption breeding corruption. You’d think we lived in Columbia.
by considering the conservatives as evil, liberals thus give themselves permission to lie, Income trust??
cheat, Electoral Kikback spending????
steal, Court is out on this one.
dissemble, obfuscate, Two hundred pages on how to, authored by PMO”s office??? and otherwise behave despicably in (Q.P.????)their quest for power.
Now who’s quest for power does this resemble???
(Hummmmmm, sure looks like some one we have been seeing for OURSELVES this past few months.
For, of course, they are only doing it to combat evil.
By Brooks A. Mick, M.D
By Miltonman on 11.28.07 4:02 pm
Milty, YOU are blind in one eye and can’t see with the other.
I do hope that you are the chosen candidate for the Neo-cons in Halton. Garth won’t even break a sweat wiping the floor with you.
It is soooo hard to have an intellectual battle with the disarmed.
The Liberals have been trying to get something on the current government ever since they won the election. Dion and his peons couldn’t find anything so now they ate trying to tie Harper to a PM that took money over 10 years ago when Harper wasn’t even in the picture.
This is going to be interesting indeed as the Liberals them leaves many questions about the Dion and the Liberals motives and it just may blow up in their face and rightly so.
f Thibault’s chart is half true, I’d now say, Rob Nicholson had reason to slump. His boss is toast. By Garth.
Yeah sure Garth what a load of crap., Dion will be toast long before Harper is. Why don’t you get that chip off your shoulder for a change. You are beginning to sound like an idiot.
Be sure to watch the ETHIC show on http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/parlvuen%2Dca/ tomorrow. If Schreiber decides to perform on this stage, it will be fascinating.
By Herb on 11.28.07 3:38 pm
Thanks for the link Herb. The link to the actual session is here
http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/parlvuen-ca/Guide.aspx?viewmode=0&categoryid=739¤tdate=2007-11-28&eventid=-1&languagecode=12298
or this short form
http://tinyurl.com/268th7
Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:00 AM EST 150 Minutes ETHI Meeting No. 5
Schreiber has the opportunity to tell it all about whoever was involved in his dirty dealings–Conservatives or Liberals if he chooses.
Orders of the Day
TELEVISED
Study of the Mulroney Airbus Settlement
Witnesses
As an individual
Karlheinz Schreiber
Some of us will be watching.
If Harper truly wanted this investigated and cleared up, he would have arranged when he called for the inquiry to keep Schreiber in Canada until he was no longer needed to testify. He knew Schreiber was to be deported the first of December. I again question Harper’s true intentions.
Jim, you seem to forget some very basic legal facts. Even if everything you say is true, the Liberals would still end deporting KHS. There are laws in this land and not even the Liberals can wave away extrodition treaties with other nations, period. Next, even if KHS stays in this country while the public inquiry is being hald and until its conclusion, KHS will be spending this time sitting in a cell or at a very bare minimum under tight house arrest.
I seriously don’t understand why you guys think that Liberal or any politican is going to sacrofice their and their parties politcal future just so KSH can stay permanently in Canada. It simply can’t be done legally and if a party should try that move, then there would be serious consequences for that action. Oh and don’t even equate delaying his extradition to being the same thing, cause it ain’t
Hmmm… jim? (you too, barb) Appears you don’t keep up with the news (or maybe only the news that ‘agrees’ with you).
It was confirmed weeks ago that The Liberal Party received a letter/letters from Schreiber. But, unlike the CONS, they didn’t sit on it, and unlike the NDP they didn’t toss into the trash. When the LPC realized what they had they turned it over to the RCMP. Funny that, eh?
And, for bonus points, you could have looked it up. But that would have been ‘inconvienent’ for you. Much easier (and lazier) to spread innuendo and misinformation, or just ‘make up shit’ than to consider something factual. Or is the spreading innuendo and making up shit part of your paid position?
And, no, I have no association with the Liberal Party. I don’t even vote for them. Unlike you, jim, I’m interested in truth and facts.
Here ya’ go jim – from that well-known Libreal Party biased media source (sarcasm *off*), CTV http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071113/public_inquiry_071113/20071114?hub=Canada
By A.R.Wainwright on 11.28.07 5:39 pm
A.R. Wainwrong,
My, my, you are very angry tonight.
I know you worked so hard today and that $7.25 an hour hardly seems worth it.
Liberals seem to think it fine to discard ALL from the past. They in fact appear to consider the past itself, not just conservatives, as evil.
By Brooks A. Mick, M.D.
Interesting.
Hmmmm…So many want to paint Schreiber as the villian in this matter. Let’s see who he has been dealing with? Mulroney, Harper, Kohl, the former Bavarian Prime Minister, and the list of POLITICIANS goes on and on. He is now an old man with many secrets, and nothing to lose in exposing the total corruption that the MSM love to overlook, as do the Conswervative parties around the world.
The Piper has his bag fully inflated, time for the chanter to start playing, and play it will.
Just in case anyone has missed the point, it was the POLITICIANS who played to Mr. Schreiber. It was the POLITICAL LEADERS who have partaken of his bribes. They are the GUILTY ONES that we must demand justice to bring them to account for their betrayal of we the PEOPLE’s TRUST!
Cheap WHORES that were for sale, and now they are going to get BUSTED! GOOD! EXCELLENT! May the fines and imprisonment fit the crimes regardless of political affiliation, but why so many CONSERVATIVES ON THE TAKE?
Remember, the REAL LIARS are the politicians who, while in OFFICE, took illegal bribes and kickbacks. Schreiber was merely the BAG MAN! A Bag Man with all the details, and evidence to PROVE who the real criminals are.
I wonder when Cheney and Bush will become part of this worldwide scheme of graft and corruption?
Is that TOAST I smell burning? Yes, indeed it is!
By Bill-Muskoka on 11.28.07 3:17 pm
We all know who the cheap whore is. Lets see what you are made of and name all these Conservatives that you say are on the take. Show your buddies that you have the real balls to do so. Bet you won’t. No guts, no glory. You Mr BLOWHARD, are made of nothing but hot air. Lets see who has the balls now, JUDGE, JURY and EXECUTIONER. Come on Sonny BOY, show all your buddies what you are made of. I know what you are made of, hot air and it ain’t smelling so good.. Give up those names and it won’t be toast you will be smelling shortly after you arrive in your prison cell. COME ON, COME ON, WE ALL WANT TO SEE THOSE NAMES NOW, YOU HEAR? I thought MARINES lived by Honor, Courage and Commitment??
Betty, your slip is showing. — Garth
By Frank Frink on 11.28.07 6:27 pm
Frank, That CTV link if it is to be believed that a package was forwarded to the R.C.M.P, then it has to be believed that Dion was not truthful when he told Garth,”Mr. Dion confirmed this morning that Mr. Schreiber did not send a copy to him. Me neither.” — Garth
By Jim on 11.13.07 10:17 am
Either Canadain Press is full of it and I have not read a retraction, or Dion is and Garth has not updated the quote to reflect the truth. The Liberal party can’t get the story straight so how much credibility to their timelines can be given?
Here is a quote from Garth’s seatmate that confims Dion sent a package so it can’t be excused that Dion hadn’t seen it.
“It was damaging enough that Mr. Dion’s first instinct was to send it to the RCMP,†said Liberal MP Robert Thibault.
Pay attention. That information was updated here a week or so ago when it became known the Libs received a letter, and it was sent immediately to the RCMP. — Garth
Some more stuff from Brooks A. Mick M.D.
Seems like the kind of guy miltonman would associate with.
She Had It Coming: High-profile rape victims are being blamed
http://politicaljournalism.blogspot.com/2006/04/she-had-it-coming-high-profile-rape.html
Homosexuality and Sheep, Civil Rights and Deafness
Dec. 31, 2006
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/columnists/brooksamick/index.html
We all know who the cheap whore is. Lets see what you are made of and name all these Conservatives that you say are on the take.
By Betty White on 11.28.07 6:49 pm
I already did earlier. Whatsa matter Betty, burned your toast today?
By A.R.Wainwright on 11.28.07 5:39 pm
A.R. Wainwrong,
My, my, you are very angry tonight.
I know you worked so hard today and that $7.25 an hour hardly seems worth it.
By Miltonman on 11.28.07 6:29 pm
If thats your best shot, You prove my point.
LOL
I can’t have an intellectual fight with the unarmed.
Wainwrong???? man thats a shot???? LOLOLOLOL It hurts to laugh so hard.
Hey everyone thats humor neo-con style.
People who know Rob Nicholson tell me that he is basically a good guy who will obediently follow and never question authority. By C. B. Innes on 11.28.07 12:52 pm
Is this why the Justice Minister says he does not have the authority to keep KS in Canada until the Inquiry is over
A message for Angry Betty from Uncle Karl.
Sorgen Sie sich nicht ist glückliche Onkel karl Lieben Sie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfllUtxDriA
Thank you.
Zorph.
By Zorpheous on 11.28.07 2:07 pm
Oh…Zorphie, you are such a flirt!
You are proving my weird theory that people can debate without the hate.
L (smooooch!)
Betty, your slip is showing. — Garth
By Betty White on 11.28.07 6:49 pm
Sorry Garth for letting my slip get down to far. This is a vile man spouting off with a pack of lies. We should all be fair and wait to see what happens. Mr America doesn’t know any more than the majority of us do about this situation.
Mr America doesn’t know any more than the majority of us do about this situation.
By Betty White on 11.28.07 8:20 pm
That would be Captain America to you hasbeen sitcom Queen! LMAO!
Doug on 11.28.07 7:31 pm,
That’s right. He is such a nice guy that he will do whatever his current boss says even if he doesn’t believe it or it makes him took foolish.
Garth, good post. The truth as you and I know it, is that Rob Nicholson couldn’t keep Schreiber in Canada long enough to testify without the Liberal’s demand to do so. If he had done so himself, and Schreiber testified according to his recent affidavit, it would do the Liberals no good. There has to be something more, there has to be an attack against Harper. There has to be, why else keep someone here who has as much to throw at previous Liberals, according to his claims?
Thibeault is on the right path. I just hope that he’s as prepared for the truth as Stephen Harper is. A few politicians are going to hurt from this, but I doubt it’ll be Brian Mulrony, Stephen Harper or Garth Turner.
Yes, I asked him about the meetings, and he said they met twice. Thibault was doing what most MPs never bother with – research. — Garth
By Catherine on 11.28.07 4:22 am
So can his conversations be made public? Who else was present?
Given that his caucus memeber (Irwin Cotler) signed the original extradiction paper in 2004 after the 2003 revelations, why did Robert Thibault or who ever gave him his orders, take this upon themselves?
I think Robert Thibault needs to disclose everything to the public that was discussed with Karlheiz Schreiber and if anything was promised to Karlheinz Schreiber.
Karlheinz Schreiber, a total lack of credibility!
Quote:
“Mr. Schreiber is saying that he’s not trying to use the court system to delay his extradition to Germany,” CTV’s Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said Thursday.
“That’s just completely unbelievable.”
Fife said,
“Schreiber has had opportunities over the last 15 years to come forward with any allegations of wrongdoing.”
“If he knew about this meeting with Mr. Mulroney he should have told people a long time ago,” said Fife.
“The only reason he’s talking about this now is that he’s on the doorstep to being extradited to Germany.”
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Libranos –
You better pray you come up with SOME NEW DIRT, because if you don’t, you are going to be trashed.
If, at the end of the day, the press says, nothing NEW has been divulged then you libranos are in trouble.
Look forward to single digit ratings for Dion in the near future.
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Pay attention. That information was updated here a week or so ago when it became known the Libs received a letter, and it was sent immediately to the RCMP. — Garth
Yeah, but what about the rough draft? L
According to the media Schreiber has received an offer from the Justice Department to delay his extradition until December 15 if he drops his appeal. What does this do to Nicholson’s credibility who claimed it did not have the authority to delay the extradition?
Are you trying to imply the Liberals wrote the letter themselves?
Boy,
I am staying away from here unless I have a full TyVek suit on, with gloves, rubber boots, and a full face respirator…the Pissing Contest is becoming a Class I Bio-Hazard.
By Bill-Muskoka on 11.26.07 9:54 am
Why don’t you do as you promised previously Mr America(Pvt Marine) and just disappear or does promises only apply to selective others? I see you are a pisser as well, wolf, wolf. ROTFLMAOAY
Hey Garth where did you show up on that “diagram of massive implication” when your buns were warming a committee seat in the Muldoom gummint
I must have been busy doing my job. — Garth
By Betty White on 11.29.07 8:47 am
Because Betty Boop I have my TyVek suit on, and after you started posting added a SCABA unit as well. Practice safe commenting.
So sorry you are so totally upset with my comments…NOT No, actually I love seeing people like you get totally exasperated. Your frustration is akin to watching a pimple burst!
Did you get jilted by a Marine in your lurid past? You seem obsessed with that.
Now, try, try again and again because most of us here are LOAAY!
BTW, BB Da Brain, I AM CANADIAN!
[...] hardly be implicated in this. Not everyone, of course. You have to scroll to Garth Turner’s comment section to find this tear-jerker from sentimentalist “I Believe in Canada”: Isn’t Schreiber a [...]
Pay attention. That information was updated here a week or so ago when it became known the Libs received a letter, and it was sent immediately to the RCMP. — Garth
Sorry I had not read the clarification. Either way, wyy did Dion tell you he had not recieved a package from Mr. Schreiber when he had already sent it to the R.C.M.P? How can I as a voter even consider a party whose leader lies to his own M.P.s? If he can lie to his own M.P.s he can lie to anyone can.’t he?
“He delivered the question like a rolling volley of thunderous cannon fodder.” Gee, Garth, with your incredible creative writing skills why are you wasting your time as an MP? The term “cannon fodder” refers to the target being destroyed by the cannons. Typically, it is used to denote an asset thought to be expendable during enemy fire owing to its low value. Here, I’ll give you an example: “Stephane Dion is offered up as daily cannon fodder in the House of Commons by his fellow Liberals”.
Thanks for the brilliant report. Well written, pithy, informative – the best kind of first-hand account. Thanks!
From Thursday’s ethics committee:
Conservative MP Russ Hiebert: “Mr. Schreiber,
Transcript has already been published here today. — Garth
Garth, you are calling Nicholson a liar?
I think he should sue your fat, Liberal ass.
Now, where did I say that, Sarah Brown? Or should I call you Mary-Ann? Or George? Or Wahid? Maybe you can tell us why Conservatives on this blog spout so many identities, and have so few manners? — Garth
“I must have been busy doing my job. — Garth”
That’s just a rumor. Better ask BM to clear it up.
Maybe you can tell us why Conservatives on this blog sprout so many identities, and have so few manners? — Garth
MPD is the answer Garth. Member of Parliament-Dysfunctional. A prime requisite for being in the CPC Caucus!