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		<title>By: Bill-Muskoka</title>
		<link>http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2008/02/11/caucus-2/comment-page-2/#comment-124549</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill-Muskoka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At times Bill appears contradictory to me as well. For example, some of his posts will eulogize the wisdom of the Egyptian gods and goddesses, and others present Muhamad as his hero and role model as a social reformer.

By Ike on 02.13.08 10:32 am&lt;/i&gt;

Ike, you have it so wrong.  Why the jump to assumption that I present Mohamed as my hero?

No, he is but one voice from history that had some psoitive things to say.

If I say to you &#039;Ike, the sky is blue!&#039; What does that mean to you?

I merely state facts to educate others.  It is their own internal processing that determines the value of what I share.

&lt;i&gt;&#039;Look inside your own self Luke!  Face your own Dark Side and then you will be ready to be a Jedi!&#039;

Obi Wan!&lt;/i&gt;

That is the goal.  To know by facts the truth, not by the beliefs of others.  Then they are your&#039;s to possess and no one can take them from you.  &#039;I give you a peace beyond all understanding!&#039;

See you in the new topic mon ami.  I am done here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At times Bill appears contradictory to me as well. For example, some of his posts will eulogize the wisdom of the Egyptian gods and goddesses, and others present Muhamad as his hero and role model as a social reformer.</p>
<p>By Ike on 02.13.08 10:32 am</i></p>
<p>Ike, you have it so wrong.  Why the jump to assumption that I present Mohamed as my hero?</p>
<p>No, he is but one voice from history that had some psoitive things to say.</p>
<p>If I say to you &#8216;Ike, the sky is blue!&#8217; What does that mean to you?</p>
<p>I merely state facts to educate others.  It is their own internal processing that determines the value of what I share.</p>
<p><i>&#8216;Look inside your own self Luke!  Face your own Dark Side and then you will be ready to be a Jedi!&#8217;</p>
<p>Obi Wan!</i></p>
<p>That is the goal.  To know by facts the truth, not by the beliefs of others.  Then they are your&#8217;s to possess and no one can take them from you.  &#8216;I give you a peace beyond all understanding!&#8217;</p>
<p>See you in the new topic mon ami.  I am done here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2008/02/11/caucus-2/comment-page-2/#comment-124537</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are you a Harry nom de plume?&quot; --Greg.

Greg, to the contrary, if you will check out some of Harry&#039;s latest comments, he belittles me for accepting Bill Muskoka as a person, and as a friend, even though we (Bill and I) may disagree at times.

You can see that Bill considers me as an idealist.  I am not idealistic in the sense that we can change the world top down by any human power structure that tries to change people by force.  I am only suggesting that as individuals, we can make a difference in our own world, one person at a time.

It is so much better to be friendly, and to reach out even to those we disagree with.  I can&#039;t see where the bitterness and the name-calling, and the accusations that we see so prevalent on this blog are getting us anywhere.  I am not impressed with that.

I admit that I may seem like a  complex person to those who do not know me, but do not judge me superficially by just skimming over my posts.  Engage with me.  Ask questions.  Probe deeper to see if there is wisdom there.

This is what I do with Bill.  We ask each other the hard questions, trying to understand how the other thinks.

At times Bill appears contradictory to me as well.  For example, some of his posts will eulogize the wisdom of the Egyptian gods and goddesses, and others present Muhamad as his hero and role model as a social reformer.

How you can reconcile the teachings of Egyptian mythology with the monotheism of Muhammad is a bit of a stretch, and Bill has not yet answered these questions to my satisfaction.  Nor do I think we should be eulogizing Muhammad and the violent methods of reform that he resorted to.  This has not produced a good harvest in the world, in my view.

This does not take away from the fact that I still love and respect Bill as a friend, and value his right to a point of view as much as mine or anybody else.

In this regard, I am decidedly unlike Harry S, so let&#039;s at least be clear on that.

Let&#039;s be not quick to make judgments before we know the depths of what is in another person&#039;s heart and mind.  Let&#039;s ask questions.  Let&#039;s dialogue.  Let&#039;s let each other speak for themselves without comparing people like me to Harry S before you know me, and do more than glance over my posts.

Nothing could be further from the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you a Harry nom de plume?&#8221; &#8211;Greg.</p>
<p>Greg, to the contrary, if you will check out some of Harry&#8217;s latest comments, he belittles me for accepting Bill Muskoka as a person, and as a friend, even though we (Bill and I) may disagree at times.</p>
<p>You can see that Bill considers me as an idealist.  I am not idealistic in the sense that we can change the world top down by any human power structure that tries to change people by force.  I am only suggesting that as individuals, we can make a difference in our own world, one person at a time.</p>
<p>It is so much better to be friendly, and to reach out even to those we disagree with.  I can&#8217;t see where the bitterness and the name-calling, and the accusations that we see so prevalent on this blog are getting us anywhere.  I am not impressed with that.</p>
<p>I admit that I may seem like a  complex person to those who do not know me, but do not judge me superficially by just skimming over my posts.  Engage with me.  Ask questions.  Probe deeper to see if there is wisdom there.</p>
<p>This is what I do with Bill.  We ask each other the hard questions, trying to understand how the other thinks.</p>
<p>At times Bill appears contradictory to me as well.  For example, some of his posts will eulogize the wisdom of the Egyptian gods and goddesses, and others present Muhamad as his hero and role model as a social reformer.</p>
<p>How you can reconcile the teachings of Egyptian mythology with the monotheism of Muhammad is a bit of a stretch, and Bill has not yet answered these questions to my satisfaction.  Nor do I think we should be eulogizing Muhammad and the violent methods of reform that he resorted to.  This has not produced a good harvest in the world, in my view.</p>
<p>This does not take away from the fact that I still love and respect Bill as a friend, and value his right to a point of view as much as mine or anybody else.</p>
<p>In this regard, I am decidedly unlike Harry S, so let&#8217;s at least be clear on that.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be not quick to make judgments before we know the depths of what is in another person&#8217;s heart and mind.  Let&#8217;s ask questions.  Let&#8217;s dialogue.  Let&#8217;s let each other speak for themselves without comparing people like me to Harry S before you know me, and do more than glance over my posts.</p>
<p>Nothing could be further from the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill-Muskoka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill-Muskoka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By Ike on 02.12.08 9:58 pm

You, my friend, are an idealist, disconnected from reality.  Your really believe we , as Canadians, can change millenia of history in a few years?

I shall never share your utopian delusion, but struggle on as you will.

For two millenia the messgae of Pease and Good News has been on earth.  Is it markedly a better place?

Answer:  Only where the Spirit penetrated the Cold Hearts living on FUD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Ike on 02.12.08 9:58 pm</p>
<p>You, my friend, are an idealist, disconnected from reality.  Your really believe we , as Canadians, can change millenia of history in a few years?</p>
<p>I shall never share your utopian delusion, but struggle on as you will.</p>
<p>For two millenia the messgae of Pease and Good News has been on earth.  Is it markedly a better place?</p>
<p>Answer:  Only where the Spirit penetrated the Cold Hearts living on FUD!</p>
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