This morning, the following was sent to all MPs in the House of Commons, along with a link to this. — Garth
Dear Colleagues:
Canada’s mission in Afghanistan is an issue of national concern, yet too seldom are voters, taxpayers and citizens asked directly for their input. As we MPs debate extending our country’s combat commitment, the people of Canada also wish to be heard.
On Sunday, Feb. 10 the Government’s motion to extend the mission was published online, at garth.ca. The comments I am sending you, both in favour and opposed, were posted in the following 18 hours, from across the nation. I found them to be, in the main, constructive, thoughtful and honest. They certainly demonstrate that our constituents not only care about this vital issue of foreign policy, but clearly wish to join the historic discussion.
Please take the time to read these words, and may they guide you in the critical debate and vote which lies ahead of us all.
With respect,
Garth Turner
MP Halton
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Garth,
I hope you included a small, airline size bottle of Single Malt to each MP, whereas, the shock that Canadians actually care, and know what they are talking about may be too much for most of them?
Thank you Garth –seems to us low-life citizens , that very few people in Ottawa give a crap about what we have to say at the best of times.
This issue is critical to all Canadians–our soldiers lives depend upon your decision.
Dr Mike.
and now a word from the Daily Obsession…
CODE OF CONDUCT ON THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF RADIOACTIVE SOURCES
IAEA, VIENNA, 2004
Nothing like watching an international embarrassment unfold in slow motion.
Thank you.
It would be interesting to know which MPs, regardless of party or which way they will vote, take the time to follow your link.
If the people of Canada can take the time to investigate and draw their own conclusions, surely MP’s should listen and take note.
Next can you ask MPs why Elizabeth May was raked over the coals (and rightfully so) for invoking a comparison to appeasement of the Nazis when talking of the CPC environmental plan, but our good friend Peter Van Loan is allowed to call Mark Holland a Taliban Intelligence Officer?
WDM:
A tiny minority of the public pay attention to politics, outside of elections. (Bloggers and posters are part of the exception.)
Most of his constituents will not be aware of this latest outrage by PVL.
And like all Tories, he will be tightly scripted during the election, so as to maintain a somnolence in the electorate, aided and abetted by the media.
Watch for at least one “new” liberal scandal to break during the campaign. The RCMP did the dirty work last time – on our Ralphie) but with their hands on all levers of the gov’t the Tories will surely find some old issue to flog that will later be seen (by the few of us paying attention) to be specious non-sense.
With a verbally challenged leader our only hope is that Liberals break through with a team approach. We have plenty of good strong speakers (Bob Rae, Dominic LeBlanc to name two) that can help Dion carry the messages and at the same time show they still have brains (all Tory MPs had to turn theirs over to PVL for safekeeping.)
A strong team (that may have nuanced differences but do not need muzzling as their basic beliefs fall within mainstream Canadian values) should be seen as a sign of strong leader.
Thank you for taking the time to add our thoughts on this vital issue to the discussion in Parliament.
Thanks a million Garth, for your well expressed message on behalf of all Canadians. I sincerely appreciate all the work you’re doing on behalf of all Canadians.
Garth … what are the chances that the Motion is referred to the appropriate parliamentary committee for further study??
Rather than voting on spurious amendments to the main Motion, can it be referred to committee??
Why doesn’t Dion want the Motion and the Manley Report to go to committee .. what is he afraid of ..???!!!
Bravo Garth!
Maybe if your collegues take the time to read they will look up the literaly hundreds of good ideas presented here over the last few months?
Today on CBC Newsworld, MP Jason Kenny described the Dion strategy for Canadian troops as a “sitting duck” approach, where Canadian soldiers are waiting to be shot at and killed before they can fire back at the Taliban.
Dion is a total idiot …. an azzhole who is living in some kind of Liberal Wonderland. Now we must wait to see how many Canadians are Taliban-loving traitors following Dion.
You have given us the opertunity to “speak” to all elected parlimentarians. Thank you. This is a great show of the democratic process. At least they can “hear” what we have to say. Wheather they will listen is another issue. Let’s hope so. Then they have to vote !
Two points to add to my brief “Thank you.”
1. You have shown how digital democracy can work. Your Commons colleagues will at least scan our comments because they will see what a self-selected, largely non-partisan group of coast-to-coast Canadian political junkies thinks, in a depth not provided by polls. Of course they will look for the lowest common denominator having the widest appeal, but they will have seen the high and low lights they have to consider.
2. I hope that the CPC will be duly embarrassed by the handiwork of their trolls standing in sharp contrast to non-CPC comments. That would be a second service to digital democracy.
By Harry S on 02.11.08 10:18 am
Now lets see….
The mission, as scheduled, is due to end in Feb 2009. The CPC have procrastinated in bringing forth a motion on what happens next until now.
So we send the motion to committee, where the CPC procrastination playbook comes out. Of course, the CPC members will point to the fact that Liberal John Manley’s report states whatever and therefore the Liberal’s should vote to follow his plan.
There are few issues with this logic.
1. IMHO, John Manley’s view of the world is not the liberal view. There was a marked shift in liberal foreign policy after Lloyd Axworthy left. I see Mr. Dion trying to shift the Libs back to where they came on foreign policy.
2. There is a word missing. John Manley is a “former” Liberal cabinet minister.
He now longer speaks for the Liberals.
3. And probably the most important of all, given that there is only 12 months until our current mission ends, sending the motion to committee will result in further delay in Canada making a decision on what we are going to do. That would not be the correct course of action as NATO needs to know asap.
Debate it in the house. Put forward amendments. Vote on the amendments. And then vote on the motion. Three readings in one day. Its that important an issue.
Dion is a total idiot …. an azzhole who is living in some kind of Liberal Wonderland. Now we must wait to see how many Canadians are Taliban-loving traitors following Dion.
By Harry S on 02.11.08 10:39 am
I have had it with your con bulls**t.
Now everyone who does not vote for the cons are taliban supporters?
So as GWB says YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS.
Is this the general opinion of all cons?
By James- Chatham on 02.11.08 10:46 am
Debate it in the house. Put forward amendments. Vote on the amendments. And then vote on the motion. Three readings in one day. Its that important an issue.
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Just heard on CBC Newsworld … the Liberals intend to table a multitude of amendments to the Afghanistan Motion … a dastardly tactic that will frustrate reasonable debate in the HoCs.
If Liberals do this it will be an insult and abomination to Canada’s Parliament.
CBC-Globe report finds no evidence to back up Mulroney testimony
Former Thyssen board member calls lobbying claim “absolute nonsense”
Last Updated: Monday, February 11, 2008 | 9:49 AM ET
CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/11/mulroney-schreiber.html
The Hill Times, February 11th, 2008
Conservatives worried about economy, want early election
´The economy´s something that scares all of us, and the longer we hold off, the more the fears of difficulties will increase´: one Tory
By Abbas Rana
The Conservatives are stoking election fever and trying to provoke an early general election because they don´t want to go to the polls in the middle of an economic downturn, say top Conservatives and Liberals.
“The ´X´ factor of the economy is something that scares all of us and the longer we hold off delaying an election, the more the fears of some sort of economic difficulties will increase. Future is always uncertain and we feel that our position now is particularly strong,” said one top Conservative, who requested anonymity
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=2008/february/11/earlyelection/&c=2
It should give every contributer to this blog a sense of purpose, to think that our views are being read by every Member of Parliament in the House of Commons.
The people have spoken!
Now the question is whether the leaders on either side of the House will listen.
For a Conservative reject, turned leftist loon, I have to say your letter to all Mp’s was bogus.
Just like your skills in the House of Commons.
I forgive you. — Garth
We may not always agree, but we can always be kind.
What the world needs now is love.
Some may accuse me of being idealistic, but I ask them, “Would you prefer to live in a world of hatred or of love? And what contribution are you making to make this world a better place, each within our own sphere of influence?”
The real test comes, not in how we treat people who are kind to us, or who agree with us, but how we respond to people who are unreasonable and unfair.
Surely, the answer to war is to love our enemies, and I am looking for evidence of that, as to how people respond to people that they may disagree with, when they say that they are against conflict, fighting, hatred and war.
I think that we all have some growing up to do to bring our actions into line with what we say we believe in.
Peace to all!
I’d like to make one suggestion and that is that NO ONE respond to Harry S. He is not worth spending a second of your time. He’s just looking for attention, like a child having a tantrum.
Just heard on CBC Newsworld … the Liberals intend to table a multitude of amendments to the Afghanistan Motion … a dastardly tactic that will frustrate reasonable debate in the HoCs.
If Liberals do this it will be an insult and abomination to Canada’s Parliament.
By Harry S on 02.11.08 11:06 am
Given the actual guts of the motion is so vague, maybe a complete re-write is the way to go!
However, then it would go the way of the “Clean Air Act,” never to be seen again.
I’ll wait to see what the Libs do, but I suspect this “multitude of amendments” will be a clause by clause re-write.
We know the Bloc and NDP will vote against any amendment that does not bring the troops home. So it will come down to Libs vs. Cons.
The Cons. will have to accept enough of the amendments for the Libs. to allow the final motion to pass. I only hope that the final motion is not a patchwork that accomplishes nothing.
If it is, then it must be defeated.
Kudos Garth….Would you consider an ignore button for your blog? This Harry S is no doubt gaining access to a computer from his mental facility and I would like to put him on ignore.
Thanks,
If Liberals do this it will be an insult and abomination to Canada’s Parliament.
By Harry S on 02.11.08 11:06 am
Harry, the insult is the way PMSH has handled the whole issue. He promised to hold this vote a long time ago and that he would abide by the HoC decision. But now, at the eleventh hour, he decides to use the shotgun policy of a non-confidence vote.
The same is true of his crime bill motion. 50% would have been the law today had not PMSH delayed their passage by paroguing parliament.
IMHO, PMSH does not care about getting tough on crime, or Afghanistan. All he cares about is getting a majority and he is playing games.
Harry, the abomination is the PM.
By Tom Robinson on 02.11.08 11:14 am
Tom,
I would really like you to expand on that comment.
If you believe in top down autcratic rule that suggests the PM, through the government, will tell us what is ‘good’ for us then I guess Garth’s note is bogus.
If, on the other hand, you believe that the people who elect the government should have some input to the decision making process then, I humbly suggest, that Garth’s communication is providing a valuable service to all Canadians who care to contribute to the process.
Thanks Garth, I hope Want-a-be Senator Mike Duffy was on the cc list, he can black out all the nay and no’s and read them on CTV….sorry but it really is sad here on Firday nights, so I here as I do not watch. Now for those who think I am kidding, after Duff’s heart operation to which I wished him well( and still do as far as health) he came on TV and said thank you for all his support, then said: Don’t know what all the fuss is about their is nothing wrong with our health care system! I waited 5 months and even then they had me parked in the hallway at one point. As mentioned think before yall vote if you plan to retire alive. If you plan to die with your work boots on vote for the Senate, Afghanistan for ever, or some GST cut or another crime bill while our troops protect the poppy fields.
For a Conservative reject, turned leftist loon, I have to say your letter to all Mp’s was bogus.
Just like your skills in the House of Commons.
I forgive you. — Garth
By Tom Robinson on 02.11.08 11:14 am
LOL. This is too much, Garth sounding like Uncle Tom!! (I just finished reading “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”).
Dion is a total idiot …. an azzhole who is living in some kind of Liberal Wonderland. Now we must wait to see how many Canadians are Taliban-loving traitors following Dion. – HARRY S
That’s a little harsh, even for me.
However, what Dion is proposing is a non-combat mission in a combat zone.
No one understands his position, since it is full of conflicting statement. Again, it’s going to take him 12 years to make up his mind.
Obvious to anyone not addicted to Blue Kool-Aide, the CPC is scared shitless right now, and are desperate to get an election.
Could it be they KNOW what is coming their way? Bet on it, and they will not exist after it happens.
Interesting, we find Mulroney’s claims are unsupportable, and he remains Lyin’ Brian!
CBC-Globe report finds no evidence to back up Mulroney testimony
A joint investigation by the CBC and the Globe and Mail has failed to find any corroboration for former prime minister Brian Mulroney’s explanation of cash payments from German-Canadian businessman Karlheinz Schreiber.
I think Elections Canada still has a pending case as well against the CPC?
Also interesting is that he has such close ties with Harper.
Even more interesting is the fact that the U.S. will no longer be a Right Wing den of Liars, Thieves, and War Criminals after the November election.
That leaves Steve standing all alone as the Last Right Wing Emperor.
Caesar Disgustus is a Dead Man Talking politically!
No wonder the CRAP Trolls are so busy lately. Must be about what the KGB, GRU, Gestapo, and now the CIA felt near the end? Nothing is worse than secrets revealed.
Makes me wonder, looking back at the past 25 months, if Harper knew all this all along. he started by throwing Garth out of caucus, even though Garth was an elected MP. Then we saw others leave, cross the floor, and then Bill Casey.
Harper has a reason to be entering by the back door. It is how he has conducted his party’s affairs and this government.
He will pay for it, and pay dearly when Canada votes. So will the entire CPC and especially the Front Benchers.
Argue as you wish…but watch it happen!
Imagine that? The audacity of the Offical Opposition to have ammendments to a Bill before the HoC! How DARE THEY!
I mean how parliamentarian will they get?
“Dion is a total idiot …. an azzhole who is living in some kind of Liberal Wonderland. Now we must wait to see how many Canadians are Taliban-loving traitors following Dion.”
This is epic. Just an incredibly stupid quote. So over the top, howl at the mood dumb that it’s almost impressive.
I’d like to make one suggestion and that is that NO ONE respond to Harry S. He is not worth spending a second of your time. He’s just looking for attention, like a child having a tantrum.
By kpn on 02.11.08 11:21 am
I’ll second that motion. If we all just ignore him he’ll eventually go away.
I think these CON jack-asses, think that they got 75%of the popu,lar vote last time…They were elected by 36% of the people….You idiots do NOT have a majority, so you WILL accept the compromises of the opposition….
IF THIS IS HOW HARPER ACTS WITH A MINORITY, IMAGINE HIM WITH A MAJORITY!!!
SCARY!!!
By Lex Luthor on 02.11.08 1:04 pm
Imagine where the Liberals would be in the polls if they had chosen a leader with better communication skills than M. Dion.
If they had chosen renewal instead of sticking with someone from Chretien’s cabinet, I would wager they would be well in to majority territory in all the polls.
Might make for an interesting poll, don’t you think?
Canadian voter intentions:
Harper/ Conservative vs.
Dion/ Liberal
Rae/ Liberal
Ignatieff / Liberal
Kennedy / Liberal
How do you think Canadians would respond to those alternatives?
Conservatives probably thank their lucky stars that Dion is the leader. It may be their only weapon…
“… what Dion is proposing is a non-combat mission in a combat zone.”
Lex Luthor, let me explain how it might work, should you actually be interested.
There is a military concept called “covering forces”, in lay terms, combat forces that are deployed ahead of main forces to keep an eye on the enemy, defeat small enemy forces who make contact, fall back on main forces under pressure they can’t handle themselves, and channel larger enemy forces into areas where main forces are just waiting for them.
The covering force(s) could be capable forces provided by any NATO country. The main force would be units of the Afghan National Army trained and guided by their NATO, say Canadian, advisers. That way, the enemy would be denied freedom of movement and action, Afghan forces would have a protective cover behind which they can train, prepare and deploy, they would have advice and support in battle, and, as the main force, they would do more and more of the fighting themselves.
That’s one way your non-combat role in a combat zone could work, Lex. Before the military experts have at me about insurgencies and non-linear battlefields, covering forces can be mobile as well as stationary to protect selected areas, and can be staggered in depth. No reason it couldn’t work, all it takes is the normal desired interoperability of NATO forces among themselves, and the cooperation with Afghan forces that is essential in the defence of Afghanistan in any case.
That leaves Steve standing all alone as the Last Right Wing Emperor.
Caesar Disgustus is a Dead Man Talking politically!
No wonder the CRAP Trolls are so busy lately. Must be about what the KGB, GRU, Gestapo, and now the CIA felt near the end? Nothing is worse than secrets revealed.
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This is epic. Just an incredibly stupid quote. So over the top, howl at the mood dumb that it’s almost impressive.
By WDM on 02.11.08 1:52 pm
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>>>>>>> NEWS FLASH <<<<<<<
JUST ANNOUNCE IN THE HoCs IN QUESTION PERIOD BY THE FINANCE MINISTER:
THE BUDGET WILL BE TABLED ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 26 AT 4:00PM
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The noose tightens around Dion’s neck …!!!
http://multimedia.thestar.com/images/assets/178289_3.JPG
garth,
Whats with the Libs fundraising and saying it doesn’t count towards their maximum contributions? have the rules changed? Please explain in detail….
By Ed Brooks on 02.11.08 2:18 pm
Imagine where the Liberals would be in the polls if they had chosen a leader with better communication skills than M. Dion.
If they had chosen renewal instead of sticking with someone from Chretien’s cabinet, I would wager they would be well in to majority territory in all the polls.
Might make for an interesting poll, don’t you think?
Canadian voter intentions:
Harper/ Conservative vs.
Dion/ Liberal
Rae/ Liberal
Ignatieff / Liberal
Kennedy / Liberal
How do you think Canadians would respond to those alternatives?
Conservatives probably thank their lucky stars that Dion is the leader. It may be their only weapon…
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Personally I think Canadians would rank the Liberal leaders thusly:
1. Ignatieff
2. Rae
3. Kennedy
4. Dion
Canadians will not want another Liberal prime minister from Quebec, and even Quebecers reject Dion moreso than the RoC..!!
So now the Liberals intend to follow Dion into an election that no Canadian wants, and in which the Liberals will suffer a massive defeat … all to get rid of proven loser Dion and costing the Canadian taxpayer $300 Million.
Canadians will punish all Liberals for offering a loser like Dion as their best leader and choice for prime minister.
Outrageous – over $27 million for a 2 day shmooze fest. Now that’s some expensive jellybeans Mr. Prime Minister!
Bring on the election, please. Tankye
Montebello summit bill tops $27 million – and that doesn’t include that security fence…how much was that again?
Mr. Finance Minister, I gives good value for the money with my supoib writing skills. I will gladly write the Budget speech….all I wants in return is a wee Wii. Tankye.
Right on again Garth, Flahety’s nothing budget February 26th and no word on his chest thumping Capital Gains song. So we can scratch this one as a election getter, back to Afganiatan as the crime Bill did not stir the Senate. Not sure what’s going on hear even this man has trouble with suicide platforms.
Cost of SPP Summit fence – $875,000
This report quotes a fence company that says they could have done the same job for a little over $150,000. They say the taxpayers got ripped off.
http://www.cjad.com/news/565/664690
The Conservatives, as always, just smirked it away in QP. You know guys, I would have gladly held off Maude by myself. But then, el excellencies could not have pulled off their “I am a very important person” routine.
This is going to screw up dubya’s plans for the mid- and far-east, especially if Iraq agrees to Russia’s request.
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Russia_forgives_12_bln_Iraq_debt_re_02112008.html
Is anyone aware of any methods by which Garth can get his message out to Mr. and Mrs. Joe Public, to let them know and understand how they are in the process of losing their shirts, and how CRAP is messing up our country before the election?
Short of running a combination of financial and political columns in (independent) daily newspapers again, covering the tenuous positions a number of Cdns. are now in (courtesy of CRAP) and possible solutions to said problems, there are not too many avenues to choose from.
If anyone knows of methods which can be utilized in a positive manner, then let Garth — and everyone here — know.
Thank you Garth.
Ike that’s a huge stretch to say I love those who disagree with my positions. However, civility is something everyone can practice regardless of political leanings. Democracy demands that everyone is heard and that needs to be done without people shouting or being disrespectful. The strength of democracy lies in the ‘how’ of decisions and vital that minority group rights and opinions be preserved and protected. The mark of a civilized country is how well splinter groups are treated by the majority.
I don’t pretend to be Jesus-like and refuse to hug my enemies, but on the other hand, I wouldn’t spit on dissenters or attempt to impose my views.
Argue as you wish…but watch it happen!
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.11.08 1:04 pm
There are not as many pleasures in life as witnessing, in silent mirth, a collective group of dimwitted entities imploding!
The Globe has an audio interview with Gen Gauthier. It was very interesting. Maybe all those arm chair quarterbacks out there should listen to whole interview to hear what he has to say.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/video/vs?id=RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier1_0210&ids=RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier1_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier2_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier3_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier4_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier5_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier6_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier7_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier8_0210
Harry S is up to the same old nonsensical BS that permeates the CPC and its blind supporters.
Put forth amendments?!
Debate in Parliament?!
Oh my God! What is happening to the Canadian Parliamentary system?
Austin
The Globe has an audio interview with Gen Gauthier. So I would suggest to all those arm chair quarterbacks out there to listen to the whole interview to hear what he has to say.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/video/vs?id=RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier1_0210&ids=RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier1_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier2_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier3_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier4_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier5_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier6_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier7_0210,RTGAM.20080210.wgauthier8_0210
Anyway, all this Afghanistan is moot, as Stephane Dion will not allow his MPs to vote on Afghanistan mission, as he knows full well that it will expose the rift.
Any bets that Stephane Dion and his caucus will discuss how they can avoid the Afghanistan vote and bring the government down on the budget?
2. I hope that the CPC will be duly embarrassed by the handiwork of their trolls standing in sharp contrast to non-CPC comments. That would be a second service to digital democracy.
By Herb on 02.11.08 10:45 am
With all do respect Herb there are just as many stupid comments from non CPC “trolls” as CPC contributers.
Herb, this new age (American) talk about war rooms and battles but polictics is still about people. Remember 40% plus of people stay at home and should some issue get them upset and these fokes jump up and go vote then anything can happen. Barack Oboma has done just this. Here in Canada people tend to throw leaders out rather than elect them. I suspect we will see nothing but attack adds from the Republicans (CPC) in the next election and should it happen and the Canadian voter buys into it then we can just lower the Maple Leaf and haul the stars and strips and spend all our money on Agahanistan…Peter Van Loud Mouth told Canadians just that this afternoon…….no end date!
One picture … saves a thousand words!
A graphic for Dion for the upcoming campaign:
Source StatsCan, Chart 5 Scroll down and click to view it.
How odd…all the surplus financing evaporated and the Conservatives have only been in office for two years. Deficit financing is not as yet depicted because they haven’t been in power quite long enough.
Note: 2007 and 2008 not on the graph…the red graph, below the line … the party of small government hasn’t been drawn. (Don’t confuse the colours used with the parties they represent)!
Good ol’ digital democracy.
As is usual, Harper thinks he is above the law, can change it to suit his power lusts.
Harper ready to ask GG to pull plug
Some constitutional experts have suggested that option might conflict with a law passed last year setting fixed-election dates. Under the law, the next election is set for October, 2009, unless the opposition parties defeat the government.
But Mr. Van Loan has said the law does not prevent the prime minister from asking the Governor General to pull the plug.
“There is nothing in the law that takes away the Crown’s traditional and usual prerogatives on this matter,” he told reporters last week.
No PM has deserved to be thrown out more, but if Dion knows what is coming and it will destroy Harper and the CPC for good, then make this arrogant SOB WAIT!
And they thought PMJC had been ‘Too arrogant for too long?” HA!
There are not as many pleasures in life as witnessing, in silent mirth, a collective group of dimwitted entities imploding!
By Charles Oxley on 02.11.08 4:27 pm
And it’d a TWO FOR as well. Here and to our South.
There truly has been, as Jim Wallis clearly illustrates ‘The Awakening’!
If anyone knows of methods which can be utilized in a positive manner, then let Garth — and everyone here — know.
By Charles Oxley on 02.11.08 4:11 pm
I use the ‘Breck Method’-”I tell two friends; then they tell two friends, and so on, and so on!”
Then in the end we all get to sing together “I heard it through the Grape Vine!” LOL
Oh my God! What is happening to the Canadian Parliamentary system?
Austin
By Austin So on 02.11.08 4:40 pm
I know! Shocking isn’t it?
Just heard on CTV Mike Duffy Live … Duffy and Oliver speculating on the looming election.
Both of them said they heard from senior Liberals that Dion is being advised NOT to precipitate an early election because the party finances and infrastructure is not ready for an election.
Both expect to get some additional confirmation after the Wednesday Liberal caucus meeting whether the Liberals will vote non-confidence and force an election, or will abstain as they did last time.
I think the Liberal party would be wise to reign in Dion’s rhetoric and just wait for a more opportune time to bring down the government … after all Harper is loading Parliament with three confidence votes … Afghanistan, the Omnibus Crime Bill and the February Budget.
If these Liberal party leaks are correct, I wonder how forum Liberal-lovers will feel about more Liberal abstaining and giving Harper a free reign for another say 6 months.
Will Dion be able to survive as Liberal leader once Bob Rae is in the caucus on March 17th and serving under Opposition Leader Dion and Deputy Opposition Leader Ignatieff..??!!
Rub-a-dub-dub .. three Liberals in a tub .. the frenchman, the dipper the yankee faker … LOL
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.11.08 5:28 pm
I would like to say I am surprised that Van Loan would say that, but in this government nothing surprises me. It would be shocking if a government who created a law could sidestep or actually hurdle the law to have an election called. I have always thought politicians are above the law but never thought it would be in such a manner.
As is usual, Harper thinks he is above the law, can change it to suit his power lusts.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.11.08 5:28 pm
Here’s one I’d like to see. The Crime Bill Motion passes the house. The Senate does not meet the deadline. Harper goes to the GG who politely tells him “to take a long walk up a short pier” as the HoC has no authority to demand anything of the Senate and that the motion is void because it is unconstitutional. Would the PM take this to the SoC for a constitutional ruling?
Or the GG could tell him that despite what PVL says about the fixed date election legislation, it does prevent him from pulling the plug. (On a separate issue, doesn’t PVL realise he’s just told everyone that PMSH is full of hot air after the fuss he made bringing in fixed election dates!)
Harper is behaving like a petulant child and needs to be dealt with accordingly, followed closely by PVL.
Here is a quote from Jim Wallis’ book “the Awakening” (page 181) that really says it all. It covers all religions, and all politics.
I love a word I discovered through Irshad Manji’s book “The Trouble With Islam Today.”
Manji speaks of the great need for ijtihad-independent thinking, personal reflection, self-criticism, self-examination, religious rethinking, renewal, reformation, and rivival.
She examines the the baqsic religious conflict between those who look inward and try to root out both internal hypocrisy and religious dysfunction through ijtihad, and those who externalize their anxieties, fears, and insecurities by pursuing violent jihad against external enemies instead. This is the conflict between authentic faith and aggressive religion.
Such wisdom and truth, and where did it come from?
See you later tonight. Off to a meeting!
. . . all to get rid of proven loser Dion and costing the Canadian taxpayer $300 Million.
By Harry S on 02.11.08 2:55 pm
IT investors lost a little more than that, thanks to a complete LIE from Mumbo Bumbo Dumbo Jumbo Dim Jim flaherty and your beloved autocratic dictator harper, the dubya parrot.
Until those two — along with other conCRAPtroll members and followers — have learned how two LEGO blocks actually fit together, they remain as society’s outcasts.
There’s a sucker born every minute. I may be getting on, but even I know if it smells like CRAP, looks like CRAP then it probably IS a piece of CRAP.
The title of one of Neil Young’s songs — “Piece of Shit” — pretty much describes CRAP and their policies.
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Today’s Wise Words in the Kelowna Daily Courier can be applied to either sex:
I love being married. It’s so great to find that one special person you want to annoy for the rest of your life! — Rita Ruder.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.11.08 5:28 pm
I love the Conservative spin on that. How is that NOT a flip on his stance of fixed election dates.
Sad.
“You don’t throw money around when times are tight,” Mr. Flaherty said. “I’m not going to be the finance minister that puts our country back into deficit.”
This is Reform code for… I’m NOT going to be the finance minister to get the country out of the hole I’ve dug after the income trust wreck and the BCE bullshit.
harper institutes fixed election dates. Harper regret this but cannot change it.
Harper blackmails Parliament, not once, not twice but three times. Blackmail doesn’t work, honest politicians call his bluff, Harper calls on GG to dissolve parliament, reason, the big boys won’t play the game his way. The only good thing about doing this is no one will believe Harper no matter who he tries to blame. I for one call on the Liberals to back all three confidence motions, in the end Harper will hang himself and the country will know it was not the Liberals who ruined this country.
I want my Canada Back
No PM has deserved to be thrown out more, but if Dion knows what is coming and it will destroy Harper and the CPC for good, then make this arrogant SOB WAIT!
And they thought PMJC had been ‘Too arrogant for too long?” HA!
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.11.08 5:28 pm
Sorry to disappoint you, but, Stephane Dion will be going to an election on the Budget.
Mike Duffy did an interview with CFRA Steve Madely. Duffy has basically stated that the Libbers will come out of their caucus with a story on Afghanistan, so that they appear to be “united”. But, secretly the Libbers will have plans to bring down the government on the budget.
http://www.cfra.com/chum_audio/Mike_Duffy_Feb11.mp3
any bets out there?
Catherine: I believe the budget vote will come before the Afghanistan vote.
And the Afghanistan motion as presented is so ambiguous and airy that of course amendments are necessary to ensure that the Manley recommendations are indeed heeded.
And if Harper is , as he says,adopting the Manley report ,then I trust he will be open and transparent about the goals, costs and possible detriments to the Canadian forces.
After all, if this is all about supporting our troops then a real discussion about the negative impacts an ongoing conflict would have on our service men and women should be forefront.
canuck on 02.11.08 5:00 pm
Table 4 clears up the relationship between social service spending and social conditions as dictated by other circumstances.
Spending on social services by provinces, territories and local governments
Text table 4
1989 2007
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British Columbia 2,017 6,007
Ontario 9,667 18,410
Quebec 9,489 21,633
Quebec spent the most on social services, $2,821 per person
Quebec spends the most and yet has more youth problems than Ontario. Quebec also collects the most child support of any province, average 84% while Ontario collects less than 50%.
BC collects the second most child support, 80%, has tripled service spending, and has far higher youth problems. Canada has more police on the street than ever before while Vancouver has the advantage of a booming labour market, and yet Vancouver property crime and unreported crime are both at historical highs.
As the AG stated, BC courts are plugged up, pre-trial is overflowing and prisons have gone to double bunking.
On the up side the new crime bill will give a huge boost to the economy putting up hundreds of millions/billions in new courthouses and prisons.
We tax payers have loads of money, right?
btw
Valentines Day will break a lot of hearts.
cash is good
Harry: When you cite CTV and Duffy and Oliver as Liberal insiders you are displaying your complete lack of finesse in critical listening/viewing skills.
Is CTV your only form of information?
By Geminesse on 02.11.08 7:10 pm
Very smart idea, Geminesse! You’re right, of course — harper and flaherty lied about IT’s and other things; now they come begging for, and expecting an election.
Maybe it’s worth the wait to see them wiped off the face of this planet!
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Here’s something to sleep well with tonight!
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By kpn on 02.11.08 11:21 am
Agreed
Why continue to build the jerk’s ego.
This is a note for Harry S. I grew up during WW2 and my father fought in the army for six long years. My uncle was in a Japanese POW camp for almost as many years. I know first and what trauma they and their families went through. They were fighting for democracy and freedom. That includes freedom of thought and speech. Just because other people do not have the same views as you, does not mean that you can vilify them and use foul and abusive language. I am not a “Taliban-loving traitor” but after reading as much evidence as I can about the war in Afghanistan, I have decided that the position taken by Mr. Dion for stopping the combat mission in 2009 which was voted upon by our government is the one I support. I also support our troops and the wonderful work they are doing but I feel they are being stetched too far and it is the duty of NATO to find other troops to replace them in the combat zone in 2009. From what I have read, I am sure there are many other areas of reconstruction, development and diplomacy where they can really make a positive difference in the lives of Afghans
Doing some “surfing” about the only Canadian general to resign over the 2003 government decision to deploy troops to Afghanistan, I ran across this gem at the bottom of a CTV report dated February 19, 2003:
“Last Thursday, Major General Cameron Ross, director-general of international security policy, decided to quit the military in protest of what sources say he considered a ‘crass, despicable’ political decision.
“He said he felt if he was commanding that mission and some of the soldiers got killed, he would have great difficulty explaining to the loved ones why they were there,” said a source close to Ross.”
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1045709366412_43
Five years on, we’re still into “crass, despicable” political decisions about Afghanistan.
First,under false pretences, they cause Martin’s Liberal Government to fall. Then they run a dishonest campaign : Income Trust/ Goodale , Cleaning up the Government, Transparency. New laws. Throwing away $ 12 billion GST dollars.
For two years they have fought Kyoto tooth and nail. And then expect NATO countries to jump to help them in Afghanistan. How arrogant can you get.
For two years they have been crapping on all the Liberals did for 13 years. And then pride themselves in having “created” surpluses sufficient pay down the debt.
They have a Parl. Secr. of Foreign Affairs betray two Liberal visitors to Afghanistan (Dion and Ignatieff). Then van Loon calls Ignatieff an agent for the Taliban.
WHAT KIND OF CANADIANS ARE THESE CONSERVATIVES ? Are Canadians, the same ones that voted Mulroney into Government so stupid and/or blinded that they are willing to overlook all these things and many more ?
Are Conservatives so naive to think that Canadians do not see their misrepresentations, their lies, their driveby smears, their gutter politics ?
By tricia on 02.11.08 7:29 pm
I am not a “Taliban-loving traitor” but after reading as much evidence as I can about the war in Afghanistan, I have decided that the position taken by Mr. Dion for stopping the combat mission in 2009 which was voted upon by our government is the one I support. I also support our troops and the wonderful work they are doing but I feel they are being stetched too far and it is the duty of NATO to find other troops to replace them in the combat zone in 2009. From what I have read, I am sure there are many other areas of reconstruction, development and diplomacy where they can really make a positive difference in the lives of Afghans.
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Yes Tricia … I am sure there are a lot of Canadian women who feel like you and want our boys brought back alive from Afghanistan asap.
I am surprised you don’t espouse the NDP Layton position of bringing back our boys immediately and abandon the Afghan women and children to the tender mercies of the Taliban.
I hope you realize that many more Canadian boys will die in Afghanistan if they are kept there until 2009 as you seem to accept. How will you feel when more coffins come back home with dead Canadian soldiers ???
Tricia … why don’t you want our Canadian boys back immediately instead of subjecting them to danger until 2009 … why do keep them there knowing that more will die … why ..???!!!
250 members and they get TWO MILLION DOLLARS?
Gordon Head Recreation Centre to receive $2 million for improvements
Jeff Bell, Times Colonist
Published: Saturday, February 09, 2008
Seniors and schoolchildren packed Cordova Bay Community Place yesterday for an announcement that $830,000 in federal and provincial money will be spent to expand and improve the facility.
The seniors centre, located at Cordova Bay Elementary School, will almost double in size.
Also on the way from the Canada-B.C. Municipal Rural Infrastructure Fund is $2 million for improvements at the Gordon Head Recreation Centre, said Saanich-Gulf Islands MP Gary Lunn.
Saanich Mayor Frank Leonard said added funding from the municipality will bring the recreation centre project up to $3 million. He said Saanich will also add $320,000 to the funding for Cordova Bay Community Place, while the Cordova Bay 55-plus Association has raised $95,000.
“It is a big day,” said Michael Phillips, president of the 55-plus group. “We’ve been waiting for the last four or five years. The funding application went in about 18 months ago.”
He said the Cordova Bay 55-plus Association currently has about 250 members, but will now be able to grow considerably.
“Obviously, when we have events like this the walls are bulging. We need the space, and we can increase our membership, I think, to around 300 or 400 pretty rapidly.”
Phillips said the focus on interaction with the elementary school next door won’t change with the centre’s expansion.
“That’s one of the most important features of our organization.”
At the Gordon Head Recreation Centre, the $3-million project will increase programs and services for the 50,000 users the site attracts each year. A new auditorium, more activity space and more accessible change rooms will all be part of the expansion, said Oak Bay-Gordon Head MLA Ida Chong, who joined Lunn in outlining the funding arrangement.
Leonard said the addition of a teen drop-in area at the centre will be important, as well.
“We’ve had great success with our drop-in centres at our community recreation facilities.”
Leonard recognized the contributions of the Saanich and Greater Victoria school districts to joint initiatives like the seniors centre at Cordova Bay Elementary. He said Royal Oak, Colquitz and Gordon Head middle schools have similar joint-use arrangements with the municipality.
jwbell@tc.canwest.com
This is the conflict between authentic faith and aggressive religion.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.11.08 6:13 pm
Nothing new there Bill. The Quran describes jihad a the internal struggle of ones own internal demons, this is a common practice among Muslims.
The `aggressive religion` are extremists that use women and children to murder other women and children. The only connection to Islam and these psychotic killers is their continued proclamation they are defending Islam. In contrast to blowing up innocent women and children the Quran states that when an enemy is vanquished and lays down their arms they are free to go, killing the innocent is an absolute no no.
I wonder how they explain that when the`re in the lineup to collect their 40 virgins.
It is my belief that the current government is using every means possible to change our country, Canada, into a small piece of “something else”. To date, much has taken place that carves out the vital components of our Constitution. It has to be stopped. The sustainability of the means to afford our long fought for social programs, will be further degraded if the War for Afghanistan continues.
The Spp has been so successful to date. It only takes the continuation of this “NEW” Conservative government and their War for Afghanistan to ink the deal. After our country is bankrupted from the war; when our citizens have been drafted – some happily, because of massive unemployment to come; when the old and the boomers are no longer “useful” – Canadians might only then realize how important it was to pay attention to this time in our history. It will be too late though.
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/02/11/kitchener-frame.html
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/02/11/dailynews-closes.html
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/02/11/lundstrom.html
Three reports from different parts of the country; should be read along with flaherty’s upcoming Feb. 26 budget report.
Who else can he screw?
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
FYI
Is it just me, or is it not well published that a gallon of E85 gets a vehicle much lower mileage than regular gas. Example here: Dodge Caravan Hwy for Gas = 24 mpg. E85= 16 mpg!.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22618.shtml
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
FYI
Neo-Cons Admit Ron Paul Has “Changed GOP Forever”
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2008/021108_changed_gop.htm
Maybe there’s a reason other NATO countries are reluctant to send troops right now to Afghanistan.
AS DEFENCE Minister Peter MacKay attempts to browbeat, badger or coerce a NATO partner into reinforcing the mission in southern Afghanistan, most European countries are keeping their eyes on a possible security crisis much closer to home.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1037470.html
Radio Canada also did a 1 hr. documnetary on Afghanistan this evening.It is not good news.Troop morale
among Canadian and US troops right now is bad.Many are worried about long term PTSD.
By Geminesse on 02.11.08 7:57 pm
I understand your point, but, at least it’s not on a speech.
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
FYI
I hope PMSH signing the SPP deal to harmanize Canadas standards with the USA, eg. military, doen’t lead to stuff like this, see below.
IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED – Yet Another Corporate Crony to be Confirmed as Federal Judge
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/5678
Say good night Mr. Harper. My very reliable sources tell me the following Harperites are in big trouble – big time -come election time:
David Sweet – Ancaster
Wajid Khan – Mississauga Streetsville
Colin Carrie – Oshawa
Dean DelMastro – Peterborough
Joe Comuzzi – Thunder Bay
Rick Dykstra – St Catherines
Bruce Stanton – Simcoe North
Pierre Lemieux – Glengarry Prescott Russell
Rick Norlock – Northumberland
Royal Galipeau – Ottawa Orleans
Jeff Watson – Essex
Harold Albrecht – Kitchener Conestoga
Diane Finley – Haldiman Norfolk
And that’s just Ontario; from one who knows.
Hi ho..Hi ho…It’s off to the Grits I go!
Can’t take no more..the Tories are a bore.
Hi Ho..Hi Ho..Hi Ho.
I’d like to make one suggestion and that is that NO ONE respond to Harry S. He is not worth spending a second of your time. He’s just looking for attention, like a child having a tantrum.
By kpn on 02.11.08 11:21 am
I’ll second that motion. If we all just ignore him he’ll eventually go away.
By Jennifer Smith on 02.11.08 2:01 pm
you got that right, there’s no room here for debate or discussion, just cheerleading.
Go Garth!
By Geminesse on 02.11.08 7:57 pm
I understand your point, but, at least the money was not spent on a speech…
I’m with you on this one.
Originally I wanted to go to the polls now, but on further reflection, it seems that Harper wants an election so bad now that he can almost taste it, and that makes me want to reverse course. I suspect that he perceives a coalescing of negative events lying in wait just over the horizon, beginning with a further fortified front Liberal bench with the pending byelections, one whose depth will stand out in stark contrast to the lack of depth on the Government side. Such circumstances will gut Harper’s best last chance to continue to govern and would forever relegate his lifelong vision to the political dustbin. Having never held a real world job, the man has known nothing else in life but theory, has probably been building and refining the master plan since he entered academia. Imagine the letdown if the plan is not realized. I’d wager that famous anger and kicking of chairs across the room would pale in comparison to the outburst that follows. No, now I think the Opposition should choose the timing on its own terms, not Harper’s.
It would be worthwhile to deny it to him.
2011 … that is what a senior Conservative spokeman told CBC New would be the end date of Canada’s combat mission in Afghanistan. Canada’s mission in Afghanistan would end in 2011.
Also shown on CBC News is Dion using the date of 2011 as the end of the mission.
So now it looks like Dion and the Liberals have a face-saving out on the Afghan mission if 2011 is acceptable to both parties.
Looks like Dion is now relenting on his ‘no combat’ role for 2009. Also the Liberal caucus will be hammering out the issue of ‘combat’ and how it should be defined for Canadian troops in Kandahar.
Don’t count on it. — Garth
A quick question, somewhat related to the thread topic. The Government seems so hellbent for leather to defer their planning and decision-making to a mere 4 individuals, those who assembled the Manley Report in a matter of weeks, rather than forge their own path – why Peter McKay was almost manic last week with his “gotta find 1000 troops” European tour (question: why not 2000, 3000, …, why is 1000 somehow the magic threshold?). So that got me thinking. Why was the Khan Report also not treated with the same high regard, a blueprint providing a guiding light to Canada’s Mideast Policy?
Somehow, I suspect the observations and advice in that report may have run 180 degrees to Harper’s desired direction.
It is a comfort to me to know that my input on how the motion on Afghanistan clearly addresses Monsieur Dion’s concerns about reducing Canada’s combat role in Kandahar, had now gone to the desk of every Member of Parliament.
Hence, we have a perfect opportunity here for both the LIBS and the CONS to unite on common ground, and to not make this an election issue, but to pass this motion, and make other issues like the environment and the economy the focal point of the election campaign.
We have a perfect opportunity here to come together on a motion that is both realistic, which which is extending the olive branch to Monsieu Dion.
Dion met with his caucus this past evening to outline a set of amendments to the Conservative motion on the Afghanistan mission.
Monsieu Dion’s plan willlikely suggest a greater focus on diplomacy, development and support, as opposed to combat.
The debate will be on to what degree diplomacy and development are possible in areas where security is not yet fully established.
Happily, the motion does call for “security as an essential condition of good governance and lasting development and that, for best effect, all three components of a comprehensive strategy – military, diplomatic and development – need to reinforce each other.”
The action motion, the “therefore” clause, explicitly states that Canada proceed only, “in a manner fully consistent with the UN mandate on Afghanistan, but with increasing emphasis on training the Afghan National Security Forces expeditiously to take increasing responsibility for security in Kandahar and Afghanistan as a whole so that, as the Afghan National Security Forces gain capability, Canada’s combat role should be commensurately reduced.”
Can I hear Monsieur Dion say, “Here, here!”
Harper is behaving like a petulant child and needs to be dealt with accordingly, followed closely by PVL.
By James- Chatham on 02.11.08 6:08 pm
YES!
By a little bird told me on 02.11.08 10:16 pm
What did the Little Birdie tell you is the fate of Two-Tier Tony Clement, the nukelar expert extraordinaire, and alleged Minister of Health?
the Quran states that when an enemy is vanquished and lays down their arms they are free to go, killing the innocent is an absolute no no.
I wonder how they explain that when the`re in the lineup to collect their 40 virgins.
By got rope? on 02.11.08 8:10 pm
Yes, that is called HONOUR!
As to the Virgins, well, those typos have plagued mankind since we first learned to jot things down.
Remember Reagan’s Angst? The embarassing Iran-Contra affair where he sold weapons to America’s enemies, and then couldn’t remember? ‘Jot it down Mr. President!’
The Pope’s angst on discovering they left out the ‘R’ in Celebrate!
Yes, typos are the scourge of mankind for millenia and when they cannot be used, then they burn the originals and all copies to ‘protect the truth!’
Per your example, the word was actual ‘Virginians’ and there were 72 waiting for them at the Pearly Gates. The Founding Fathers and assorted other wealthy land owners looking for a Freebie!
Is that false advertising? Could that be called an ‘Attack Ad?’
Only the Confused Philosopher knows.
Meanwhile, back in this sector of the ‘Q’ we hear the cries of ‘Bring out your dead!’ and ‘Lupiens! Get your Lupiens!’
Goodnight Gracie!
By Bob R on 02.11.08 7:47 pm
I am headed to bed singing ‘Ooo, Ooo, Oooo! I can feel the temperature rising!!!!!!’
Geminesse on 02.11.08 7:57 pm
Think you read the article incorrectly. It was a bit clumsy in its explanation.
The $2 million from the federal government is for the Gordon Head Rec Center.
The Saanich Municipal gov will top that up by one million, to make a total new input of $3 million to that rec center.
The Cordova Bay project is receiving $830,000 from a combined federal and provincial funding. The breakdown is not specified.
In addition the Cordova Bay Community Place project is receiving funding from the municipal gov (Saanich) for “$320,000.
And it is identified that the 250 member Cordova Bay 55-plus Association, itself, had *raised* $95,000 for the Cordova Bay Community Place.
Just heard on CBC Newsworld … the Liberals intend to table a multitude of amendments to the Afghanistan Motion … a dastardly tactic that will frustrate reasonable debate in the HoCs.
If Liberals do this it will be an insult and abomination to Canada’s Parliament.
By Harry S on 02.11.08 11:06 am
It’s called democracy, you CON numbnuts.
It will be too late though.
By mary 1 on 02.11.08 8:43 pm
It already is too late. International investors pulled out of Canada totally 3 years ago. The lack of productivity gains caused by a lack of investment is the single largest aspect currently causing the economic malaise in central Canada. It started with a decline in investment and concurrent layoffs in 2002. Investors left under the Liberals and didn`t come back under the Conservatives. Please tell me again how changing ad agencies will make any difference.
Perhaps you`re skeptical so I ask you if it isn`t such a big deal why have all the high level meetings and conferences on restoring investor confidence failed to yield results?
don`t break your heart over it
cash is good
That’s a little harsh, even for me.
However, what Dion is proposing is a non-combat mission in a combat zone.
No one understands his position, since it is full of conflicting statement. Again, it’s going to take him 12 years to make up his mind.
By Lex Luthor on 02.11.08 1:04 pm
Fortunately Lex, it will only take a little while for Harper to get on his makeup for the day. He can change his mind tomorrow.
It’s all about whatever Harper’s psychic hairdresser says: only she knows for sure.
If she says Harper’s idea that Canada can cow the Taliban in this life or the next is out to lunch: he’ll fire her. And that lady knows which side her bread is buttered on, believe me.
So Harper surrounds himself with yes-people. You all know where this is going, don’t you?
So in other words, you all agreed to put a brave face forward as “united” on Afghanistan, because you will bring the govenment down on the budget.
Stephane Dion and some of his Libs want to tie the hands of our troops, so that they shoot when shot at. The troops won’t be able to go out and actively stabilize the regions (find Taliban strongholds and their storages of IEDs making).
Stephane Dion is not really a great thinker that many of you Libbers think he is. Pity.
Hey, maybe Stephane Dion would like our police to only act when a crime has been committed. The hell with finding the bad guys and their nest.
Stephane Dion is a very dangerous man.
Little Bird,
I was struck by the specificity of your list. Is it possible for you to elaborate what criterion and indicators were used to establish the members who made it onto the list, or is that a trade secret? Thanks.
Stephane Dion and some of his Libs want to tie the hands of our troops, so that they shoot when shot at.
Hey, maybe Stephane Dion would like our police to only act when a crime has been committed. The hell with finding the bad guys and their nest.
By Catherine on 02.12.08 4:57 am
And the alternative is???????
Police only do act when a crime is committed. Duh!!!
(find Taliban strongholds and their storages of IEDs making). -end quote
You mean like in Pakistan?
Don’t you guys have anybody just a little bit smarter in the PMO that issues those talking points? Even an IQ a couple of degrees higher may make more sense than what y’all are being fed now.
Don’t you guys have anybody just a little bit smarter in the PMO that issues those talking points? Even an IQ a couple of degrees higher may make more sense than what y’all are being fed now.
By Emilie on 02.12.08 8:34 am
No, they have to share a brain, Harper’s, and we all know that a committee is at least four or more people sharing a brain.
This is in perfect alignment with Mike Harris’ ‘Common Sense Revolution.’ (One ’sense’ which, of course, is little sense at all). Cut back essential services at all costs. Privatize everything (thinking, press conferences, records ala Black Marker they could even make a TV show called ‘Black Marker’, Hey! Black Adder’ worked fine, eh?, etc.)