This is the calm before the storm.
MPs are out of Ottawa this week. In their ridings (I have three Town Hall meetings in Halton, one in Oxford). Or, campaigning. Dion is in Quebec on Monday, Montreal Tuesday, followed by Toronto, Regina and Winnipeg.
On the following Monday, the barrage begins. The debate on Afghanistan will hit the floor of the House on that day, followed by the federal budget the next afternoon. Forty-eight hours later, the first budget confidence vote, on a BQ amendment. Then, when I return from speaking to the big Liberal conflab in Halifax the following weekend, there will be the final two budget votes – both confidence and one (likely in the evening of March 3rd) will bring down the government.
Of course, this might change. But I doubt it. And thus, a federal election will begin with one of the most unpredictable outcomes in Canadian history.
As this blog and its participants have shown since the last election (88,596 comments published), the polls are inconclusive with dominant parties constantly changing. The electorate is disengaged, which means a campaign can quickly ignite new issues once woman-on-the-street attention is piqued.
Mostly, though, it will be nasty.
Glimpses of that came in a partisan fundraiser speech delivered last night by Jim Prentice who, as industry minister and a former Progressive Conservative, is one of the more gentlemanly soldiers in the Army of Harper. Mr. Prentice’s baldfaced lies typify what we can all expect, which is nothing less than a total assault on the truth by people desperate to remain in control of the bucking reigns of power.
For example, when the Conservatives introduced a motion last week telling the Senate to pass a bill by March 1st – an anti-crime package Liberals had twice passed in the Commons – it was designed solely for partisan reasons. If Libs supported it, they’d be attacking their colleagues over something they all agreed on. If they rejected it, Cons would say we support criminals. If we abstained, they’d ridicule Dion as being an unprincipled weak leader. So, we walked out. It was the proper action. And every MP in Parliament knew the issue was Harper’s bully tactics, not crime.
And what did Mr. Prentice say? “The Liberals stood up, walked out, and didn’t even vote on the this very important crime legislation. They’re not leaders, they’re not even voters… they’re abstainers.” Sigh. Jim Prentice is a smart guy. He knows that was not “crime legislation.” And yet he forces the words from his once-principled lips. It bodes badly for what is to come.
He also confirmed last night what the theme of the election will be, at least from the Con perspective. The ballot question, he intoned, will be leadership.
How could it be otherwise? The Harper Conservative party has taken millions of dollars in donations form its members to blow them on the writing, production and airing of television and radio spots saying Stephane Dion is Not a Leader. They have spent hundreds of thousands more building web sites (notaleader.ca) with that sole message, while funding a massive research and communications team so desperate to get the message out that they have broken House of Commons rules with illegal anti-Dion direct mail to millions of homes.
Against this unprecedented effort, this never-before-seen smear campaign by a government that was supposed to be governing, stands one man. Dion has withstood an onslaught which no federal leader has seen before – on radio, television, on the Net, in print, direct mail, media releases, press conferences and daily on the floor of the House of Commons.
Not only is he still standing, but his party is running mile-for-mile with the other guys. He is competitive and confident. More importantly, he has gone through this storm of partisanship with his ethics, integrity and principles intact. He’s told the truth, and stood by it. He has not deceived anyone for their support, or turned coat on them after they lent a hand.
I have told you before, from my own experience: Dion listens to those whom the people elected. Harper does not. Dion works to be a team leader. Harper dictates and controls. Dion treats everyone with respect and freely gives the benefit of the doubt. Harper doubts everyone but himself, and freely smears without remorse. Dion seeks to inspire. Harper seeks to intimidate. Dion’s inclusive. Harper is exclusive.
Critics will say I have a personal stake in this. Damn right. I admit it straight up. Mr. Harper threw me out for doing my job. Mr. Dion took me in for the same reason. And my job now is to get the best possible government, policies, public ethics and national leader for the people I represent.
Let’s roll.
While I was travelling back from Ottawa last night, my election team captains held a meeting for new volunteers. One of them is a blogger, and you can read her report here: The Smoke Filled Room. — Garth
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Garth it is plain to see that spending $millions on adds depicting S.Dion as a weak leader it a waste of resources. The public can watch him in non-action and get that message for free.
Can’t believe I am saying this but let’s hope Harper wins another minority government.
With the coming recession and all the scandals maybe the average Canadian will start to see him for who he is because it will hit them close to home. People are so indifferent until it affects them.
Meanwhile if the Liberals keep doing what they are doing – exposing the truth and maintaining their integrity (sigh – is such a thing possible?) then they stand to win a substantial majority next time.
I hope the Liberals will run a positive campaign showing what they will do differently and showcasing Mr. Dion’s integrity and compassion.. Stick with greener fairer Canada.
count me in!
Great post, Garth! I’m with you. Let’s roll!!
Garth,
Fight on for truth and fairness.
Seems the MSM has some opinions on this as well (What a shock, eh?)
Support for federal parties is frozen, pollster says
But, then
Get seats or die trying: What the leaders stand to lose: In an election, Harper’s status as top Tory is extremely safe, experts say – but Dion must expand the Liberals or face the party’s wrath
Ah, yes, things will be most interesting, and if the political pundits are as accurate here as they have proven themselves NOT to be in the U.S., I would not worry too much.
Remember, there is only ONE POLL that counts. Our votes at the ballot box.
Maybe this will brighten your day a tad?
(Reposted from Duck)
Last night I posted a comment regarding CBC’s ‘The National’. I erred in attributing it to the Almaguin News, it was the Almaguin Forester, and here it is What’s National About The National?
A good point and real news is still what we expect from ‘news’ sources. Perhaps we ‘Hicks’ understand news better than the Citiots, eh? It is relevant to OUR lives, and no we really do not care about Britney’s delusional bi-polar problems here where winter can kill you pretty easy.
Also, the Almaguin News Editiorial asks the very serious question regarding CEO’s Making the ludicrous sound sane
Have you ever wondered how people get the title of CEO?
Perhaps we should look no further for a defining characteristic than the statement this week from North Simcoe LHIN CEO Jean Trimnell.
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Sometime ago the province ended the special line funding that kept doctors at the BFDHC after 5 p.m. and the days that fall between Friday and Monday. Somehow the Huntsville Hospital, which administered the BFDHC, found the cash to keep the doctors there. Then the MAHC board kept it open, again digging for cash they didn’t have. And now the LHIN is applying pressure to end that funding. In the face of its $2 million deficit the MAHC says it is now going to do that before some boogeyman comes in and hacks local healthcare pell-mell in the name of the bottom-line.
It’s really not that complicated: funding was cut, hospital board made up funding, hospital board now being told to cut it or else.
And when after-hours service ends at the BFDHC it’s all the doctors’ fault.
“Imagine going into work and the boss gathers all your coworkers around and announces that he’s not laying-off the lot of you – he’s just not going to pay you anymore. Then the next day, when you’re at home going through the want ads, the same boss calls you up and says you’re fired for being late.”
You can see how these CEOs make the big bucks.
Thanks to Mike Harris and Dalton McSquinty, Greg Sobora for our Healthcare mess which seems due solely to outrageous salaries for ‘administrators’.
And on the much lighter side of life, and certainly related to CEO’s and ludicrous acts, we have an article I am sure Leasa will appreciate. I know I did.
Shiitake mushroom cultivation a promising cottage industry
Remember, the politician’s Creed, especially Harper’s. “Keep them in the dark and feed them BS!”
And last, but not least LOL!
Okay, now I am sure you remember the Jamaican Bobsled Team who came to Canada, Calgary, Alberta to be precise, to compete in the Olympics, and the movie ‘Cool Runnings’ which told their story?
Well, They’rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre back! This time we have the Jamaican Dog Sled Team. LOL
Kearney goes to the dogs
See the Huskies? See the Huskies run? Run, Huskies RUN!
Now, isn’t that much better than all the CRAP CRAP, and the MSM thinks is important and it is news about us, real Canadians living real life, in OUR country. Not some foreign mess that we, personally, will never change.
Have a wonderful day. We are under another Winter Storm Watch here. Oh JOY!
[...] MP Garth Turner seems to think so. From his blogposting today: On the following Monday, the barrage begins. The debate on Afghanistan will hit the floor of the [...]
Right you are Garth! Let’s roll & quit worrying about rocking the boat.
The Liberals have to show they have the condidence to win now, not show they’re afraid to go to the polls in case they don’t win.
DION IS NOT A DICTATOR
Heh Garth. There is hope as I have read several extremely positive comments on your parties infrastructure policy. he key word was VISION. This is like a breath of fresh air for our media to talk about vision versus attack politics. Frankly Dion shines when he is talking about policy in front the camera. He is painful in queston period faking anger over the same issues. It is obvious that he should be out there every day presenting a new LONG term vision of where your party is heading and fuel the medias thirst for something real to talk about instead of of the cons trash talk. Your party does have LONG TERM vsions regarding everything the federal government touches on our lives I hope? If not get some because the only way ANY party is going to increase seats is to give the electorate something to vote FOR instead of voting against the status quo.
You only have to look south to see that this is the new reality. Next door to us in Alaska 4 times as many people registered to vote this election than last. With the rising numbers of undecided voters here in Canada it will be the party with the best COHESIVE LONG TERM VISION to guide us into the future that will gain the most votes from this group.
Glad to see the Liberals putting forth their excellent plans for Canada’s future.
Better to focus on building the top political machine to run the country instead of focusing on destroying the competition’s machine, without making sure you have something better to replace it.
“a federal election will begin with one of the most unpredictable outcomes in Canadian history.’
We know what the outcome will be. As the global economy slows Ontario will shed jobs at an even faster rate. Housing has no where to go, already the signs of the impending collapse are everywhere. As this continues, mortgage defaults, credit card and personal loan defaults will climb and continue to higher rates than the current increases we see in the US.
Crime will take another big leap and like now there will still be no plan other than being the best at the blame game.
The only predictable item seems voter turnout which could be a historic low. It`ll be interesting to see how many Cdns will say we`ve paid for the ticket, we may as well see the show.
Irish pub in trouble with Quebec language cops for vintage English-only signs
“Dean Laderoute and Rick Fon, co-owners of McKibbins Irish Pub, are inviting Jean Charest in for a pint and say they will remove any sign the premier believes violates Quebec’s language laws.”
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080215/koddities/language_brew_ha_ha_with_list
I guess this “IS” the kind of thing some Nations do. Only most Nations don’t get to have the cost subsidized by equalization payments from ANOTHER Nation.
Curious place this country they call Canada.
This is the calm before the storm.
posted by Garth Turner on 02.16.08 @ 9:24 am
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Garth .. what you need is some balm to soothe your angst over the coming election to likely be precipitated by your Dion Liberals for no good reason.
I think that Dion has boxed in all Liberals on the Budget vote. Dion desperately needs an election to retain hold on the Liberal leadership and get his one kick at the can. If the Liberal party decides to support the Budget, that will force Dion to abdicate. That will avoid a costly $350 Million election for no other purpose than for Liberals to get rid of hapless Dion.
As for the Senate-stalled omnibus Crime Bill, who do you think the “piqued woman-on-the-street” will blame for that? Certainly not the Conservatives, NDP or BQ. They will totally blame the Dion-controlled Liberal Senators for stopping the legislation, plain and simple. Better pray nobody gets shot in Toronto during the election because that would demolish Liberals everywhere.
Within 24 hours of being selected Liberal leader, Dion proclaimed that Harper was a “pro-Bush, pro-Iraq, anti-Canadian, left-wing, socon” .. while the Liberal MSM were proclaiming erudite Dion would raise the level of political debate in Canada. Dion’s disgusting attack on PM Harper was countered with the truth and words from the mouths of other Liberals and Dion’s own admission of failure when in government. Dion showed his true colours with his lowly attacks on Harper, and when the responses came, you and Liberals cried foul because you were gobsmacked. No pity for Dion because he threw the first rock and was covered in an avalanche thanks to Ignatieff and Dryden.
Yes, Dion is “still standing”, but poll after poll show that Dion’s personal popularity is between 10-15% nationally, while the Liberal party brand consistently floats around 30%.
So Garth .. please explain how your proven unpopular leader will gain sudden credibility and boost the Liberal party back to government … answer that before you laud your lowly leader ..!!
CPAC-Nanos Federal Leadership Report Card (February 2008)
Most Trustworthy Leader
Harper — 30%
Dion —–14%
Most Competent Leader
Harper — 39%
Dion —– 16%
Leader with the best vision for Canada
Harper — 32%
Dion —– 17%
In all these polled categories, Harper beats out Dion by over 2 to 1. Perhaps you are viewing Dion through your rose-coloured glasses and thankful Dion rescued you from political oblivion. Your subjective assessment of the future is clouded by your irrational, desperate feeeelings, and that is quite obvious.
Good Saturday Morning,
Canada is heading for a record current account deficit of $36-billion in 2009, a lighting speed transformation from a decade of surpluses as the economy realigns itself towards imports from exports.
Merrill Lynch forecasts the switch will occur this year as Canada moves to a $20-billion deficit from a surplus of $12-billion in 2007. The deficit will continue to swell in 2009.
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=303871
A must read before it is pulled.
Good Day
Garth, how can I find out when and where Dion will be in Regina next week? I would love to hear him in person.
Thanks.
MJ
It’s another beautiful day, and another post from Garth. Can Harry S. and his bag of stupid be far behind.
Please Garth I’m begging you, never ban Harry S. He’s the gift that keeps on giving.
Cons will have a minority after the election.
Libs will have a Leadership review shortly thereafter.
Garth, get the ball rolling now and throw your effort towards becoming the Liberal Leader.
Canadians are begging for a Leader, and you got the stuff to meet their demand.
And for the campaign, please, no promises that you have no intention of keeping. Move beyond that mindset. I think Canadians are ready as a whole to go beyond that whole mindset of promises, promises, promises. Start respecting the people by focusing on policy directions, by saying ‘this is the direction we want to go.’ CPC never got past this mindset, not one bit. Respect the people and work with them, not just with the corporations.
He is painful in queston period faking anger over the same issues.
By William Dahl on 02.16.08 11:07 am
I, too, have noticed his ‘anger’ is not genuine, and he should stop attempting to be like the rest of the ‘against the boards’ mental midgets in QP. If they yell, the he should speak quietly and politely. Any of them watch Dr. Phil? Maybe they should? First rule in conversation is the rule of ‘non-excalation’, and that means not throwing more fuel on the fire, but putting the fire out by suffocating it via deprivation of what it seeks..AIR!
Dion is intelligent, understands consensus and people, and working together with people to get the best possible result. He is NOT a Head Banger like the CPC Goon Squad, and should not attempt to compete in that manner. Be yourself, and let your best qualities shine forth. Dion is a good man with strong ethics, and that gives him more credibility with me than all the other BS we witness over and over.
Dion has far more shining qualities than anyone across the aisle, and if he wants Canadians to truly support him he needs to be himself. We can recognize genuiness, and we have seen way to much ‘macho’ in QP, in the news, and in general. The Bully Tactics exhibited by Harper, Van Loan, and especially Baird, are clear indicators of both low intellect and ethics. In short, they are nothing but PUNKS!
This voter will never support such Hooligans. The first one to run a ‘SNOZ AD’ is definitely toast with me! The Liberals should talk about the positive things they HAVE done, intend to do, and preface such with the honest statement that ‘we can only accomplish these things with your help and your support!’, because all campaign promises are meaningless without being granted the authority by the voters. Stay positive and WIN! Go negative and LOSE! repeat until it is a mantra in all Liberal minds.
As Teddy Roosevelt said ‘Walk softly, and carry a BIG STICK!’ That is THE ticket.
An old sales lesson is ‘Never bad mouth the competition. Rather BEAT them by excellence in product quality and service at a competitive price!’
Harper’s sales technique is ‘If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with Bull Shit!’ I think Canada is better than that? Don’t you?
Yeah, Garth, let’s roll …
The time to strike is coming and I know that you’re ready. Mr. Harper is failing Canadians. His conservative party has no ideas left to draw from. His conservative policies are risking lives, destroying our environment and weakening Canada.
I agree with the posters that this election must be about vision. The infrastructure announcement was good and reasonable. Can you give use more like that, please?
Here are some other fronts that the Liberals could address:
- Fighting to redistribute income and wealth across Canada, for all Canadians
- Expanding the power of all Canadians to enable change and find their own success
- Restricting companies and corporations from damaging the environment, discharging poisons into our ecosystems and creating the greenhouse gases that cause climate change
- Allocating resources to reduce violence in Canada and around the world
- Nurturing a free and progressive internet and blogosphere
- Preventing consolidation of the media
- Empowering multinational organizations so they can assist in bringing peaceful resolutions to international disputes
- Maintaining a strong, flexible military that can promote self-determination
- Preventing the proliferation of weapons of all kinds
- Defending human rights and the independent judiciary
- Providing free access to preschool and higher education
- Fighting for progressive prison and sentencing reform
- Developing a comprehensive energy independence initiative focussing on alternative fuels and modes of transportation
- Improving the quality of our universal health care system
Remember Garth:
- Give us meaning, it’s the greatest motivator.
- Promote unity, it’s better than division
- Love your neighbour, that’s the highest expression of our values
- Sacrifice and commitment give life meaning, not greed and selfishness
- We’re all in this together
Looking forward,
-R
Bad move, CRAPPERS…. allowing Dion to be exposed to Canadians day after day after day with VISION, IDEAS, SOLUTIONS, and so much more.
Those millions spent on phony leadership ads is a waste of peoples sweat earned $$$$, as Stockwell Day once said before he was sued for opening his mouth once too often.
People are too busy to spend time at notaleader web sites and most just scan news headlines or listen with one ear to tv news while enjoying time with family or friends.
Just as Steady Eddie in Alberta is trying to win with lies, and turning people off, so too will people be turned off by CRAPPERS lies.
Besides, someone please tell those good, white christian boys that God hates liars.
We’re so accustomed to the electioneering going on in the House of Commons, with Haper constantly posturing himself to call an election & win a majority, we forget that it will be a very different kind of scenario on the ‘campaign trail’.
Where this election will be won or lost will be in every voting district in this country, not in the House of Commons.
We should never under estimate the ‘power of the people’ versus the ‘power of the politicians’.
Post budget, I’m willing to bet there will be some conservatives who will be inclined to worry about re-assuring their constituents & playing to their grass root priorites in lieu of simply continuing to let Harper continue to play out his ‘ventriloquist act’ by campaigning as ‘his wooden dummies’.
They’ve lost the option to sell Harper’s ‘wrapped up gift of honest, transparent, & accountable government for Canadians’. Now, the wrappings are off Canadians know they bought the proverbial ‘pig in a poke’ last time & they’re not buying anything Harper’s selling in the future.
The Liberals on the other hand, are selling ‘real packages & plans’ not ‘empty promises & fairy tale stories’.
How many disgruntled, disappointed Canadians does anyone think will forget how they were duped & buy another ‘fairy tale vision of the new government of Canada’? Logic says, ‘not many’.
The Liberals can win this election by continuing to do what they have been doing, ‘working with & talking to their constituents’ & showing Canadians they care about their voters, not just their votes!
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
FYI,
When will our so-called leaders, like Harper, stop killing people. War is BRUT FORCE. Why is Harper keeping the SPP deal secret? Why does he think harmanizing Canadas standard with the USA is OK? Who is he really working for?
Solider says U.S. Policy is “Kill Everybody”.
http://polidics.com/iraq-war/solider-says-us-policy-is-kill-everybody.html
What kind of world do you want your family to live in? One like George Owells 1984?
Lockheed Gets $1 Billion FBI Contract, To Keep Track Of You
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/13/fbi.biometrics/index.html
This is What A Police State Looks Like
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19347.htm
Afghanistan is the New Auschwitz
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2958.shtml
Why is the Canada army there???
Will PMSH Canada be fare behind?
U.S. won’t be able to dodge draft if it wants to continue its current defense and security programs, or to expand military operations
http://thonline.com/article.cfm?id=190925
On the lighter side.
Video game encourages peace
http://media.www.lavozdeanza.com/media/storage/paper911/news/2007/11/26/Features/Video.Game.Encourages.Peace-3113683.shtml
For other news you don’t always get on corporate news.
http://reddit.com/new
Have a wonderful day. We are under another Winter Storm Watch here. Oh JOY!
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.16.08 10:38 am
Now Bill, I bet you can guess why I chose to move to the “Wet coast”. As we say out here, “You never have to shovel it”.
Actually, the real reason that I moved out here is that Ottawa is back there and anywhere within 1000 miles is far too close.
(opps! I forgot, we’re metric.)(1600km.)
The temptation to run over there would soon overwhelm me and I would get myself into too much trouble K***ING THOSE B****ds.
I might leave Garth out. LOL
You guys have a great day. (deep in the snow.)
Hey Garth, you sure are hopped up today! Must be the sunshine.
I frankly don’t see what you see in Mr. Dion. From the scuttle-butt there are also a whole bunch of good people in Saskatchewan who don’t see it either.
So, Mr. Dion, all this time says he won’t bring the government down because he knows the people of Canada do not want an election so soon. However, now with no indication in the polls that the people DO want an election; he is going to bring the government down over a budget, sight unseen. Then you tell us he is not deceiving?
Oh my goodness…this election will be fun, fun, fun.
Here’s a fun article to get the show started: Dion, Canada’s Mr. Bean.
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Columnists/Harris_Michael/2008/02/15/4848014.html
Hi Garth….yes let’s roll! Dion has been assaulted to an extreme by the neoCons…to a level never seen before in Canadian politics and he’s still standing. If the election comes down to vision and policies the Liberals will win a minority government.
And, if the all of the opposition parties are smart then they won’t allow the neoCons to get away with their bald-faced lies during the campaign. And there hollow claims that Harper is a ‘leader’. No new day care spaces created. No meaningful environmental policies and embarrassing Canada at the Commonwealth and Bali conferences. Walking away from the Kelowna Accord and the needs of Aboriginals. Not honouring the Atlantic Accord. Blowing our Federal surplus on ill-advised GST cuts that have done nothing for the economy (wait until the official news is announced that the economy contracted in December). The famous lie to retirees regarding income trusts. Firing top civil servants who tried to simply do their jobs. The hypocracy of Harper moaning about an unelected Senate and appointing Fortier within 30 days of taking office. Flaherty breaking tendering laws. Suing Elections Canada to try and keep the Conservatives potential over-spending in the last election from public scrutiny.
I don’t see how anyone with even half a brain can call Harper a leader based on his track record. Dictator and a bully perhaps. But to call him a leader is an insult to the term.
Dion is not charismatic, that’s for sure. He is principled, intelligent, and honest. That is the kind of leader this country sorely needs.
Let’s rock…..
And…as far as polls go…the only one to watch is Nanos. They have a bullet proof track record of forecasting the results within 0.1% in the last two elections. The rest of them aren’t worth the effort to even read them.
r. Prentice’s baldfaced lies typify what we can all expect, which is nothing less than a total assault on the truth by people desperate to remain in control of the bucking reigns of power. By Garth.
And exactly what bold face lies were those Mr Turner? Cite them for us please as I am very curious. Or is this some more of your bullshit election rhetoric?
I hear the judicial review process over in the Federal Court is very swift. Glad to hear there’s a break next week so there can be lots of cameras on the judge, who would have read both sets of briefs, listen to whoever the government manages to drag up tell him Keen’s job is “at pleasure” because of the way its worded.
I wonder if he or she will stop it right there and point out the Federal Court Act is worded exactly the same way.
Either way it’ll make a pretty picture.
best part is from what I’ve managed to pull together its their only defense. Sweet.
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If Dion’s not a leader that was one hell of a fluke that every Liberal caucus member happened to follow him out the door.
We’re talking Ottawa, not Hollywood.
The public can watch him in non-action and get that message for free.
Watch him in in all the loving tributes paid to him by CanWest media, I imagine.
Thank God for the Internet…otherwise, I wouldn’t know if Canada had any politician other than Herr Harper.
I think from what I heard yesterday from Flaherty and today from Brian Jennings, the electioneering will also be framed around the “Liberals are poor fiscal managers” lie. Now as for this bit of propaganda:
I’d like to go back about a year and half to the Same Sex Marriage legislation. Harper campaigned hard against it. Can anyone tell me how he voted, demonstrating his strong principled leadership in an issue that he passionately believed in?
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HINT: He didn't show up.]Let The Cleansing Begin
Harper, Flaherty and his miscreants constitute a virulent disease – a virus – that needs to be inoculated and wiped clean from all corners of the country – indeed from the entire surface of the planet.
Let the cleansing begin.
Garth:Please elaborate on “Mr.Prentices’s baldfaced lies typify what we can all expect”
I gave you one. — Garth
I take it from now until the anticipated election is over all we will get is partisan spin in forums like this.
The sad thing is that for those of us who are not spinning for a particular party the forums become really boring during election campaigns. It is like watching the party pundits on Duffy–all hot air.
The temptation to run over there would soon overwhelm me and I would get myself into too much trouble K***ING THOSE B****ds.
By A.R.Wainwright on 02.16.08 1:23 pm
Just saw my illustrious MP in the grocery store. He wasn’t buying a Santa Hat this time! The temptation was there, but he has a right to buy groceries without being accosted!
Come election time … I doubt I’ll see him in the store because then he’ll be fair game!
My qadvice for the Liberals:
Keep it clean
Keep it honest
Work like never before to get the TRUTH out
Work together to think of ways to get the truth out there
If the TRUTH is known, it will keep Canada free and I mean this in its truest sense!
If you love this country; if you care about people and this planet; if you believe in justice for all; if you believe we can only survive if everyone is treated with fairness and understanding, then you must help in every way you can to defeat the CPC’s.
They have lost their moral compass and are no longer Progressive Conservatives. Not even close! They deal in secret meetings (i.e. SPP) and will not reveal all their plans until Harper has a majority. If this happens, even a lot of Cons will will be disillusioned. They should realize this by now, having seen the lengths they will go to smear, distort and outright lie.
If this sounds strident, I feel there is no other choice. I’ve seen nothing like them (Harperites), in my seventy-five years, the last forty-five or so having been the most tuned in to what is going on in our great country.
Garth:
I do hope Stehpane Dion tells the MSN and the media what is coming down the pipes in advance of PMSH’s call let them know many times over. perhaaps Canadians will get the message all this gang of sheep can do is talk in negative terms. It is now time for a Change and have Prime Minister who talks of a better future with a positive message of encouragement that lifts the eyes of children and grandchildren is the spirit of hope. A Prime Minister who talks or building Canada in image of our proud and hard working grandparents who carved roads and railways while blasting tunnels through rock to unite Canada’s across this land. A Prime Minister who will take time to listen and talk to all Canadians no matter what political stripe they carry or no strip at all, and Prime Minister who will stand behind a thousand mike’s and speak to MSM so all Canadians can hear, and most of all a Prime Minister who stop look and listen to each and every elected memeber of his team that Canadians felt were send to Ottawa carry their concerns to make them feel their voices are being herad……….No more Bully on the Hill and most certian not a Dictator!
Lets go, lets go lets go lets really go!
By Dube on 02.16.08 2:18 pm
Hi Dube, That was a totally free vote; CPC MPs could vote yes, no, abstain or simply not show. I don’t think though, that Mr. Dion has had a free vote yet in the Hoc. Has he? I wonder the other day, when the Liberals were showing solidarity with the Lib. Senators, what would have happened if one Liberal MP decided to stay and vote? LOL
Gosh, it is such a nice day…
Leasa
Well, I don’t see any smoke in the air and no mirrors on the walls, but there is beer on the table. Looks like a good start.
I can just see the campaing evolving as it must: Harper being himself, and Dion the gentleman. We’ll see what the swing voters go for.
End the federal freak show, get our Canada back, ÉCRASEZ L’INFÂMIE!
the electioneering will also be framed around the “Liberals are poor fiscal managers” lie.
By Dube on 02.16.08 2:18 pm
As evidenced by the Parliamentary Secretary for Transportation on CBC’s the House today, that will be one of their memorex clips. All the CPC MP’s will be like modern day ‘Action Men.’ You push their buttons and one of 500 anti-Liberal, anti-Dion canned phrases will be heard from them.
Unlike Duffy, Ms. Petty grilled him on this comment given the Liberals sorted out the deficit mess. They could have been bad fiscal managers and spent, but they didn’t. Its funny how the Cons. use Trudeau to prove their point but forget under whose watch the deficit was cured and surpluses bagan!
Garth:Please elaborate on “Mr.Prentices’s baldfaced lies typify what we can all expect”
I gave you one. — Garth
By david on 02.16.08 2:33 pm
Lies is plural for more then one lie, how about 1 more.
Wait ’til he talks again. — Garth
Jack Aubry—Canwest News—Fri., Feb 15 2008
Federal deadlock persists despite election fever
Darrel Bricker, president of Ipsos-Reid, said support for the parties appears frozen and winning a majority government remains out of reach, according to the poll. He said while the NDP, in particular, are facing a rough ride at ballot box as their polling numbers drop to “historically low levels,” no party appears to have much to gain in an election.
The survey, conducted Wednesday and Thursday, involved phone interviews with 857 adults. The national results are considered accurate to 3.35 percentage points, 19 times out of 20, with the margin larger for regional findings.
Pretty FLIMSY Horse[POOP]ings!
I take it from now until the anticipated election is over all we will get is partisan spin in forums like this.
By C. B. on 02.16.08 2:34 pm
Too funny. This is a Liberal forum, what do you expect?
“not spinning for a particular party”
lol, I notice you spin all your posts `against` “a particular party”. How is that different?
Here`s a pure, non-partisan post CB, I`m curious what you`ll do with it.
“a campaign can quickly ignite new issues’
I thought everyone here agreed the next election will be on the economy.
In 2001 David Dodge of the BoC said `as the American economy improves so will ours`. This didn`t happen, as a matter of fact we`ve gone back to the cellar becoming a supplier of raw resources, even though Americans have been on a 7 year spending spree.
The connection between investment, productivity and expansion leading to job creation is the single most important factor in the upcoming election.
International investors have research people dedicated to assessing investment potential and viable, the`ve deemed Canada as a bad investment.
There is a connection between the 2002 McLellan trashing the report `For the Sake`, the 2 million fatherless children, the impossible rate of increase in crime and investors heading for the door starting in 2002 along with the shedding of jobs since 2002. It all adds up to a bad investment and no Party having a turn around plan is the final nail.
Along with all the non-politicized economists even Buzzgrove is talking about the need for investment. Layton, Duceppe, May, Dion and Harper are not even talking about it let alone even one of them offering a plan to restore investor confidence.
The only plan either has is to give voters the choice of the best of the worst, like that type of electioneering will put Canada back on the investors radar.
“a federal election will begin with one of the most unpredictable outcomes in Canadian history”
This election is the most predictable of any election in the last 40 years. All Cdn elections are predictable but this one more so. The result will be the highest number of defaults in the history of Canada regardless of who wins, and this is the sugar coated version.
Straight up these politicians don`r care about the children, they don`t care about the Cdns forced out of their jobs and now houses, they don`t care about anything but `playing the game`.
Well as long as enough idiots keep voting for this system we`re stuck with it so don`t blame the politicians, blame the voters.
So you will state that Mr. Prentice bald face lies, but can only cite one example. Good work
Are you lying when you say that Mr.Dion won’t lie? You do realize over 85% of politicians lie and will continue to do so. Is he a diamond in the rough and not cast from the same mold as most of your counterparts?
If Mr. Dion is not truthful, I will look to you to tell the world. — Garth
Its funny how the Cons. use Trudeau to prove their point but forget under whose watch the deficit was cured and surpluses bagan!
By James- Chatham on 02.16.08 3:17 pm
Contra mon ami.
To cut the deficit Chretein cut the Trudeau programs Mulroney had funded. Two wrongs doesn`t make Trudeau right.
The Liberal surplus was created by devaluing the dollar giving the exporters an unfair advantage over American companies. This unquestionably bad idea has Ontario now paying the price. Also our current surpluses have nothing to do with the 2 years of Conservative government, it`s all about globally priced commodities that our government has nothing to do with. It`s all about global demand.
I`m still waiting for someone, anyone to tell me what any government over the last 40 years has done right. Oh never mind, just keep up the status quo and elect the best of the worst and if you havn`t gone to cash, buy a tent.
Hey folk[sies], let’s hear it for John Tory and his continuing attempt to remain credible in the face of his previous policy decisions and personal affiliations. His latest offering to the electorate takes the form of; ‘Well, the Ontario electorate might want to think’ … No thanks, Johnny, we’ve already seen your port-a-potty performance in the last provincial election, and we “think” your attitude toward “filtering” what people want to “think” smacks of an élitist. Shall we gather at the WAAAAVEEERRR?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3EnZiQlzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4in9tUWOIw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnF_0qW4WxY
Is John Snobelen being SNOBB-ish?
Show us your (ILLEGAL, CONCEALED, UNREGISTERED REVOLVER), John SNOBB!
BTW, Brian [Emperor Byron of Muldoon] says there’s virtually nobody like John Tory … ‘great guy … etc., etc. ‘while Mikey Wallace, MP Burlington, says Emperor Byron of Muldoon ‘just made a mistake, that’s all.’ But he did ‘take the money, didn’t he Mikey? Did he take the money, Mikey? Did he? Just like you LIED about Income Trusts, Mikey!
I told you guys, that Stephane Dion didn’t want a vote on Afghanistan. So he’ll do what ever it takes not to get to that vote.
So, if he chooses to bring the government down. Then, I say, let’s go!
It’s hard to watch the Cons get up every day and lie in the House of Commons. Some are very good at it and some look distinctly uncomfortable. The second group must be the ones that have some shred of conscience left. To lie without a qualm is pathological.
Psychologist Robert Hare, who wrote “Snakes in Suits”, says that people’s reaction to psychopaths falls into approximately three equal groups. About a third will know right away, an almost reflex reaction that warns them away from these people – like pulling your hand away from the heat just before you get burned. A third will give them the benefit of the doubt until they do something so obviously wrong that it is impossible to ignore them. But there is always a third that will back them no matter what, probably because they refuse to change course or to think.
Sometimes the only way to recognize such a person is by the trail of division and destruction they leave behind them.
South of the border, there’s still almost 30% support for Bush, even after all the lies, the death, the destruction and graft that his administration has supported.
Is Canada in a better place since Harper has taken over? We are mired in a war that has nothing to do with us and is unwinnable. Harper has fractured the country along regional, religious, social, and liguistic lines in a way I thought would never happen again since the days of terrorism in Quebec with the FLQ. Our energy, water and food security are non-existant, our jobs are melting like snow, and we are becoming a laughing-stock in the world, a kind of a Bush mini-poodle.
It takes such a short time to destroy something and such a long time to rebuild it. Mr. Dion is an intelligent, principled and, I believe, a good man. I hope he gets a chance to put our poor country back together again.
Prentice lies every time he says that the P..M. is accountable and transaparent. We all know he is not so that is a lie.
Headline in the Rope Gazette:
“Fatherless Children Cause the Canadian Economy to Collapse”
one in Oxford
And my job now is to get the best possible government, policies, public ethics and national leader for the people I represent.
How does going to Oxford help the peiople in Halton that you represent ? Or your trips out west for that matter ?
I’ve had 30 Town Hall meetings in Halton in the past 13 months. How many has your MP convened? — Garth
We’re talking Ottawa, not Hollywood.
By Brian Dondo on 02.16.08 2:03 pm
Aye, but we need a wee few more bi-polars schizoids to gain entrance into the NAU, eh? We know we can count on the CRAPper’s for that need!
We have several on this blog daily from the Death Star, as close as you can get to bi-polar Hollywood, or should that be Pollywood, whereas they seem to all be related in the parrot family?
Some wonder how the Liberals can win with Dion? Well, Liberals, unlike the CRAP, have functional brains and KNOW that they are voting for the candidate in their riding, not directly for Stephane Dion, except those in HIS riding. They actually have the courage to TRUST that democracy, not a nracissistic dictator, aka,Caesar Disgustus, provide the proper checks and balances to extremism.
They also realize that a building is built of many stones, not one BLOC, or One person.
But I should not say such things, it may cause them, to get apoplexy and such. Wouldn’t that be a shame?
Maybe we should be buying stock in Tums and Rolaids, or Prozac, eh?
posted by Garth Turner on 02.16.08
…there will be the final two budget votes – both confidence and one (likely in the evening of March 3rd) will bring down the government.
Of course, this might change. But I doubt it. And thus, a federal election will begin with one of the most unpredictable outcomes in Canadian history.
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He[Dion] also confirmed last night what the theme of the election will be, at least from the Con perspective. The ballot question, he intoned, will be leadership.
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Garth …. you are presenting us with a seeming contradiction. On one hand you claim the election will be ‘most unpredictable’ … and then you say that Dion acknowledges the ballot question will be ‘leadership’.
I refer you to my previous message above with the CPAC Nanos Federal Leadership Report Card where Harper beats Dion by 2 to 1 on trustworthiness, competence and vision for Canada. What’s so unpredictable ??
Dion’s polled personal popularity has been consistently low since he was selected as Liberal leader and nothing has changed to date. What will Dion and his Liberal magicians pull out of the hat that will suddenly convince Canadians that Dion is worthy of being our next prime minister..??
So far you have offered us nothing convincing that failed Dion will be able to cogently and convincingly deliver his much anticipated audacity of hope to Canadians, who uniformly hold him in such low esteem !!
Where’s the beef … or is it only ‘dead meat’ ..??!!
The ‘he’ above refers to Prentice. Learn to read, Harry. — Garth
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.16.08 4:22 pm
Some wonder how the Liberals can win with Dion? Well, Liberals, unlike the CRAP, have functional brains and KNOW that they are voting for the candidate in their riding, not directly for Stephane Dion, except those in HIS riding.
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Well there’s a clear admission that Dion is NOT a leader, nor to be considered as Canada’s next prime minister …!!!
Thank you for that unequivocal explanation of Dion’s lack of leadership qualifications. Dion is obviously not ready for prime time leadership of the nation.
I hope that Liberals are not trying to sell us on the fraud that Dion will grow into prime ministership after having failed at the leadership of the Liberal party ..!!!
http://bp3.blogger.com/_v-ofUOhfAt0/RqasFCp7rRI/AAAAAAAAApk/OubXs4rO43w/s1600-h/jul1907c.jpg
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.16.08 12:42 pm
I, too, have felt the same seeing Dion being “angry” in qp. We don’t want Dion to act like the goons across the aisle. He is one thousand times better than most of them and Stevie for sure.
I agree with all you have written Bill M.
Thank you
The ‘he’ above refers to Prentice. Learn to read, Harry. — Garth
By Harry S on 02.16.08 4:32 pm
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I stand corrected, and apologize to you and the forum for my misdirection.
In response to Prentice’s statement, I believe you respond:
“How could it be otherwise?”
“Dion works to be a team leader.”
… and you give examples of Dion’s team leadership qualities against PM Harper’s strong leadership style.
Again the question emerges: “Why is Dion consistently held in such low esteem by Canadians, and particularly by Quebecers, throughout his entire term as leader??”
You conveniently avoid explaining why Dion has not emerged as a national leader of repute or respect. What’s wrong with Dion … why does he consistently poll so low against all other party leaders ??
Again I apologize for my gaff .. and I hope you will at least oblige me on my various requests to you to clarify Dion’s leadership and claim to being our next prime minister.
Thanks for reading my postings.
Are you saying that all the other Conservative MPs who didn’t get thrown out aren’t doing their “job”? Proof?
Look at them. — Garth
It sure seems strange to hear the buzzing of a pesty mosquito this time of year?
Very strange indeed. Wonder what it could mean?
Thanks for reading my postings.
By Harry S on 02.16.08 4:55 pm
As with Mary Shelley, creator of “Frankenstein”, one must be watchful of ones own monsters.
I agree with all you have written Bill M.
Thank you
By Bonnie L on 02.16.08 4:52 pm
You are most welcome, and Thank you.. We shall see if the message becomes reality? Dion is, as you say, way above the opposite seat warmers. Which reaises the question as to why they even bother to come?
They have Der leader, their Magnus Caesar Disgustus to speak for them (God forbid one of them would voice an opinion other that of the fearless Leader)
Oh yes! I remember now. They are their Gang Leader’s cheering section….Da Punks!
Every Gang Leader has to have them to uphold their delicate little inferiority complex driven ego!
This raises the more important question of ‘Why do we need 308 MP’s getting paid all that money?’ Seems to me the Harper plan is very cheap. It could save Canadians BILLIONS!
One spokeperson from each party speaking for all their constituents. Wow, who woulda thought, eh?
Something, however, in the back of my mind causes the ‘D’ word to rise, and we all know what that means? No, not Dion, but DICTATOR!
A clear dichotomy of leadership styles to be sure.
As with Mary Shelley, creator of “Frankenstein”, one must be watchful of ones own monsters.
By Greg on 02.16.08 5:21 pm
‘Who’s brain is it?’
‘Abi someone!’
First syllable ‘Sed’!
Headline in the Rope Gazette:
“Fatherless Children Cause the Canadian Economy to Collapse”
By C. B. on 02.16.08 4:10 pm
lol, that`s a good spin CB, it`s what I expected from you. It is actually the $0.65 and the Liberal mantra that a low loonie is good for Canada that collapsed still the spin will come in handy in the tent.
Very strange indeed. Wonder what it could mean?
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.16.08 5:19 pm
Indeed, Bill. What’s the LAST THING that passes throught the “bug’s brain” when it hits the windshield?
That’s right, Bill, Harry’s A$$hole has just transited his 7th portal.
If other people who are in a positiopn to know tell me that Garth Turner is an exceptional MP I’ll consider it possible, however when the MP himself says so it looks like an effort at self-promotion. What have you actually done, as a Liberal, to brag about?
Now, when did I ever say I was exceptional? Far from it. I lack modesty. — Garth
Depressing Dictator.
Dictator Causes Depression
I agree with those who say that Dion acting the “angry man” does not suit his personality. I believe Dion would achieve more by appearing more like a statesman. It goes better with his natural personality. There are others in the party that are naturally more aggressive (like Garth who is a master at sarcasm).
I don’t know who is advising Dion but it appears that he is trying to force a public persona that does not come across as genuine.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.16.08 5:57 pm
That’s right, Bill, Harry’s A$$hole has just transited his 7th portal.
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Horosho tovarisch .. kak bvi pozhivaite, banyak … (phonetic Russian – no swearing) …!!!!
Your sidekick Billy-Muskrat has tucked his bushy tail between is scurrying legs and finally admitted that Dion is NOT a leader to be considered … with this statement of admission:
“Some wonder how the Liberals can win with Dion? Well, Liberals, unlike the CRAP, have functional brains and KNOW that they are voting for the candidate in their riding, not directly for Stephane Dion, except those in HIS riding.
So Billy-M perceives Dion as a rodent hiding in his hole in St. Laurent-Cartierville … and not emerging until the election is over…!!!
If Billy-M is to be taken seriously, then Dion should not present himself as a national leader, nor should he criss-cross the country pretending to be a leader worthy of being the next prime minister of Canada. Agree ..??
Obviously, Billy-M believes Canadians should only vote in the vacuum of their local ridings and ignore the larger national and international picture. In effect he is advocating that the Liberals should not be presenting Dion as their leader.
This is a clear admission that Liberals should run their election campaign as a ‘leaderless’ party .. with a multitude of messages …!!!
I trust you also support the viewpoint of your trusted Liberal cohort-rodent on our fine forum.
That’s right, Bill, Harry’s A$$hole has just transited his 7th portal.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.16.08 5:57 pm
He passed through the 7th portal? Who gave him directions? I mean after all the fiasco about Border Security,…was CBSA asleep?
I heard he got it on the ‘fly!’
Now, please hand me the Windex. My monitor has bug juice on it…just a little, tiny spot! About a pixie, er, pixel in size.
I lack modesty. — Garth
By John L on 02.16.08 6:21 pm
Oh MY GAWD! Garth, you are not going to ride your Crotch Rocket in a Speedo?
NO! NO! Non mon ami! Don’t do it. I am begging you! The 401 and 403 cannot handle it. LMAO!
Now, when did I ever say I was exceptional? Far from it. I lack modesty. — Garth
Garth … you display a healthy ego-driven obsessive-compulsive neuroticism that is common to most all politicians … otherwise nothing would change … and you are certainly an agent of change …!!!
Believe me … because they say: Listen to your friends but listen more closely to your enemies because they will reveal the truth about yourself.
If I might be so presumptuous as to suggest that you are an exceptional neurotic who is trying to change the world to suit himself .. because otherwise you would not fit into the drab, normal world … so keep up the good fight …
Btw … would you care to respond to my queries concerning Dion’s lack of leadership popularity ..??
Nurturing a free and progressive internet and blogosphere By Rob Wiebe
Will the Liberals push for Fair rights copyright bill as outlined by Prof Michael Geist? Yes or No
Also will the Liberals stand up for free Speech and support Keith Martin private members bill? Yes or No
section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, the provision that is being used to enforce “thought crime” charges against Maclean’s magazine and Mark Steyn. But now Noam Chomsky himself has denounced section 13:
“There should be a very heavy burden of proof on any effort to restrict freedom of speech. I strongly oppose the measures you describe. I do not think the burden of proof is even approached, let alone met.”
Better to go to the human rights commissions where the taxpayer pays for the prosecution, traditional rules of evidence and procedure don’t apply, and free speech is not protected.
As Alan Borovoy, Canada’s leading civil libertarian, a man who helped form these commissions in the 60’s and 70’s, wrote, on free speech, being a censor is, quote, “hardly the role we had envisioned for human rights commissions. There should be no question of the right to publish the impugned cartoons or anything.” Unquote. Since the commission is so obviously out of control, he said quote “It would be best, therefore, to change the provisions of the Human Rights Act to remove any such ambiguities of interpretation.” Unquote.
The commission has no legal authority to act as censor. It is not in their statutory authority. They’re just making it up – Alan Borovoy says .
Forty-One, Count ‘em, FORTY-ONE LITTLE HARPER LAMBY-KINS who DENIED their constituents the right to DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATION: SILENCE OF THE LAMBS … YOU BETCHA!
1.Albrecht, Harold Kitchener—Conestoga
2.Allison, Dean Niagara West—Glanbrook
3.Baird, John (Hon.) Ottawa West—Nepean
4.Brown, Gord Leeds—Grenville
5.Brown, Patrick Barrie
6.Carrie, Colin Oshawa
7.Chong, Michael (Hon.) Wellington—Halton Hills
8.Clement, Tony (Hon.) Parry Sound—Muskoka
9.Comuzzi, Joe (Hon. ) Thunder Bay—Superior North
10.Davidson, Patricia Sarnia—Lambton
11.Del Mastro, Dean Peterborough
12.Devolin, Barry Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock
13.Dykstra, Rick St. Catharines
14.Finley, Diane (Hon.) Haldimand—Norfolk
15.Flaherty, Jim (Hon.) Whitby—Oshawa
16.Galipeau, Royal Ottawa—Orléans
17.Gallant, Cheryl Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke
18.Goodyear, Gary Cambridge
19.Guergis, Helena (Hon.) Simcoe—Grey
20.Khan, Wajid Mississauga—Streetsville
21.Kramp, Daryl Prince Edward—Hastings
22.Lauzon, Guy Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry
23.Lemieux, Pierre Glengarry—Prescott—Russell
24.MacKenzie, Dave Oxford
25.Miller, Larry Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound
26.Nicholson, Rob (Hon.) Niagara Falls
27.Norlock, Rick Northumberland—Quinte West
28.O’Connor, Gordon (Hon.) Carleton—Mississippi Mills
29.Oda, Bev (Hon.) Durham
30.Poilievre, Pierre Nepean—Carleton
31.Preston, Joe Elgin—Middlesex—London
32.Reid, Scott Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox –Addington
33.Schellenberger, Gary Perth—Wellington
34.Shipley, Bev Lambton—Kent—Middlesex
35.Stanton, Bruce Simcoe North
36.Sweet, David Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale
37.Tilson, David Dufferin—Caledon
38.Van Kesteren, Dave Chatham-Kent—Essex
39.Van Loan, Peter (Hon.) York—Simcoe
40.Wallace, Mike Burlington
41.Watson, Jeff Essex
C-22 An Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 (Democratic representation) First Reading in the House of Commons (November 14, 2007)
These little HARPER’S BIZARRE LAMBY-KINS SCREWED SENIORS ON INCOME TRUSTS AND THEY WANT TO SCREW US ALL IN THE MATTER OF DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATION.
I’M TOTALLY “OFF MY MEDS,” AS OF NOW!
Well…
Clearly it follows that if you were tossed from the Con caucus for your committment to your constituents and almost nobody else got the dump you must have really stood out from the crowd. In any event how has your dedication been rewarded by the Liberals?
They let me speak. — Garth
But do they listen? No offense, Garth, but you don’t seem to actually hold a front row seat in the Liberal caucus.
Why not?
Liberal insiders reveal the real Dion
For a hint of what’s really going on behind the scenes of the balance-of-power Official Opposition, consider a phone call between senior Liberal strategists last month. After the pair exchanged pleasantries, the true purpose of the call was raised. “We have to talk about Plan B,” said one.
Plan A had called for Mr. Dion to reunite the party, resurrect its Quebec fortunes, replenish empty coffers and march the Liberals back to power this year.
Plan B would deal with a leader who has fallen short on every front.
The former cheerleaders say Mr. Dion has retreated into a silo of self-guiding isolation, turned a tin ear to public occasion by delivering stern policy lectures at feel-good fundraisers and remained so socially distant from his own caucus that his advisors can’t find a way to send quiet warnings through friendly backdoor channels.
By Harry S on 02.16.08 11:45 am
http://www.nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/58
You conveniently forgot a few of Nic’s numbers, Harry.
Canada
Liberal Party 33% (-1)
Conservative Party 31% (-4)
NDP 19% (+2)
BQ 10% (+1)
Green Party 8% (+2)
Ontario (N=250, MoE ± 6.4%, 19 times out of 20)
Ontario
Liberal Party 43% (NC)
Conservative Party 31% (-1)
NDP 19% (NC)
Green Party 7% (+1)
This is the worst piece of political theater I’ve seen in awhile. NO wonder Canadians are disengaged, they just can’t be bothered with the same old story.
Telling the truth and not lying are two different things. You wanna win an election, tell the truth, the inside non-stealth version of just what the hell Canadians are going to be facing.
The women’s version please. On everything from GM food to the despicable state of our land/air/water.
All of it or nothing.
Harper wants to allow armed foreign agents into Canada. His plan to subordinate Canada and surrender our sovereignty continues.
http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/230287
By brain on 02.16.08 8:37 pm
You conveniently forgot a few of Nic’s numbers, Harry.
Canada
Liberal Party 33% (-1)
Conservative Party 31% (-4)
NDP 19% (+2)
BQ 10% (+1)
Green Party 8% (+2)
Ontario (N=250, MoE ± 6.4%, 19 times out of 20)
Ontario
Liberal Party 43% (NC)
Conservative Party 31% (-1)
NDP 19% (NC)
Green Party 7% (+1)
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Not at all, brain … I fully acknowledge that the Liberal party brand hovers in the 30% range, which tells us that Canadians are still besotted with their beloved Liberals. Also, these current polls may only represent how people voted in the last election, and people have not changed their minds yet because they don’t really follow politics like the junkies on this fine forum. Canadians will re-evaluate their voting choices once the next election is upon us .. and then they will be listening to what the respective party leaders will be saying, because that is all the MSM will be reporting on.
Nationally, the Liberals must be worried that their party brand is twice as popular as their leader. How will their leader Dion be able to deliver a convincing and comprehensive message when he is held in such low esteem by most Canadians .. not to mention his obvious difficulty with the English language and sensibilities ..???
As for Ontario party popularity, that is skewed by the massive Toronto vote where it doesn’t matter if more Torontonians select the Liberals, because that won’t gain Liberals any additional MPs. Toronto is a Liberal stronghold, and the only party that can truly challenge the Liberals are the NDP, and so far they are failing to shake lose many Lib lovers.
The next election will be about issues, leadership and accountability for foisting an election that Canadians don’t really want.
Now I am trying to politely respond to everybody’s questions concerning my posting … but it seems nobody wants to broach the questions I am posing to forum Liberals and even Garth. Perhaps my questions are too challenging and frighten off the desperate on this forum.
You wanna win an election, tell the truth, just what the hell Canadians are going to be facing.
The women’s version please.
By Molly on 02.16.08 8:42 pm
The womens version??
Over 10 years ago I was put on a regement of female hormones to reduce a tumor. It had a profound effect on my inner feelings. Besides getting in touch with some different feelings on issues such as watching some movies, even after 10 years I still can`t parallel park.
In all seriousness you`ve heard of `bad news won`t get you elected`. It is a Cdn characteristic to prefer a `good news lie` over the `bad news truth`. Even if that were to change holding the truth up to a politician is akin to holding a cross up to a vampire.
Perhaps you recall last year I commended Garth on flirting with the truth on the economy. Those threads always got far fewer responses that `bully` topics and he was only flirting which is the closest I`ve ever seen.
The bottom line of this blog is to allow the truth to come out and a lot of it has. Perhaps you should supply a list of topics to discuss but even if Garth used them the thread would still be filled with the same absurd partisan responses.
The truth is the federal government is dysfunctional and has been for decades but that must be obvious to you as more and more Cdns just tune out. What you`re asking for is beyond the scope of the parliamentary system.
The next NAFTA and why both the left and right are worried.
From NAFTA to the SPP.
http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2008/0108sciacchitano.html
Perhaps my questions are too challenging and frighten off the desperate on this forum.
By Harry S on 02.16.08 9:06 pm
Not quite Harry. You have yet to make a case as to why anyone should give a crap. After 10 consecutive elections that created all failed governments your questions don`t hold the answer on the fix. Another partisan view by any side is just that, a partisan view.
Will it solve the problem of Cdns debt load, no. Will it solve the problem of central Cdn job losses, no. Will it fix anything, no.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.16.08 6:27 pm
Now, please hand me the Windex. My monitor has bug juice on it…just a little, tiny spot! About a pixie, er, pixel in size.
So between you and Pyotr, is this all you can muster ?? …. rather pathetic if I may say so … but that epitomizes you and your non-leader Dion … of whom you say:
Some wonder how the Liberals can win with Dion? Well, Liberals, …. KNOW that they are voting for the candidate in their riding, not directly for Stephane Dion, except those in HIS riding.
This is a tacit admission that Dion is NOT a leader, and should not be considered a national leader. Dion might as well stay holed up in St. Laurent-Cartierville riding and not emerge until the massacre is over.
Meanwhile ……
http://tinyurl.com/2oegbo
Mr. Turner, You stated in your article that “the Harper Conservative Party has taken millions of dollars from it`s members to blow them on……..”
I think it could be fair to add that the Liberal Party has taken millions of dollars from the TAX PAYERS of Canada to blow them on Adscam.
Dear Readers,
Being the person who supplied Garth with the quotes from Jim Prentice’s speech at a fundraiser for Cameron Ross, the Conservative candidate for the Sault Ste. Marie and area, I can tell you that Garth is NOT “spinning” anything.
Jim Prentice delivered the quoted statement, “The Liberals stood up, walked out, and didn’t even vote on the this very important crime legislation. They’re not leaders, they’re not even voters… they’re abstainers.”, albeit in a clearly forced and uncomfortable fashion.
The tone of that statement by Minister Prentice was in direct contrast to the passion and joie de vivre of the story he recounted about the first time he was campaigning as a Conservative candidate in his riding in Calgary where he went door-to-door-to-door because of his belief in meeting and talking with each voter.
He regaled us of the trailer that he came upon where there was a man underneath his truck and Minister Prentice said to the man, “Hello there, I hope I’m not troubling you but I’m here to see if you would consider voting for me on election day?”, to which the man replied, “You can just keep on going because there is only one man who will get my vote and that man is JIM PRENTICE!!!”
He also had a personal story about a mother who had thanked him for saving his son’s life because of the brand new steel-plated armoured vehicles her son was using in Afghanistan which fortunately withstood a bullet that would have pierced and killed her son in the old armoured vehicles that the Canadian military had previously been using.
The rest of his address was the official party rhetoric that closely mirrored the Speech from the Throne, “x, y and clean government”, and that bald-faced lie about the so-called “crime legislation” and slagging of both Stephane Dion and NDP Leader Jack Layton.
Minister Prentice finished off with some GENERIC story about how EVERY TIME he travels with Prime Minister Harper someone snakes their way through the crowd and extends their hand in thanks to the Prime Minister.
The non-personal official party line stuff was poorly received by the attendees, whereas the personal and passionate stuff was very well received.
We Canadians aren’t stupid Prime Minister Harper.
I was a Jim Prentice delegate for his leadership bid at the Leadership Convention of the Progressive Conservative Party and I attended last night’s function because I wanted to see Jim – a good, caring, competent and respectful man from Northern Ontario – as I had not had a chance to talk with him since the Progressive Conservative Leadership Convention.
It was good to see him. He is still the same man that he was then.
And after WATCHING him speak last night I can tell you that he is parroting the lies being offered by Stephen Harper and Harper’s writers out of RESPECT for his party’s leader.
Just the same way Minister Prentice did the respectful thing so many years ago by stepping and letting Stephen Harper run uncontested in his riding after Harper was elected Leader of the Canadian Alliance Party.
Jim Prentice, like Stephane Dion, is a respectful leader.
Sincerely,
MB
Mark Brown
Sault Ste. Marie, ON
mabrown@sympatico.ca
P.S. Cameron Ross in an excellent and capable person who has served our country honourably in leadership roles at the highest levels of the military in places across our nation and overseas, and who would be an exceptional representative of the people of Sault Ste. Marie and area in the House of Commons.
P.P.S. I would have used the term “wo/man-on-the-street” Garth. The term you used is also a form of discrimination.
By brain on 02.16.08 8:37 pm
Oh come on Brian, how can you expect on honest debate with Harry S when he is constantly lying,… even to himself.
Harry is a myopic political goon troll who lacks the ability to be even honest with himself.
He’s only good for acting as the punch line of a very sad and pathetic joke that is his life.
Sad really,…
The next election will be about issues, leadership and accountability for foisting an election that Canadians don’t really want.
Now I am trying to politely respond to everybody’s questions concerning my posting … but it seems nobody wants to broach the questions I am posing to forum Liberals and even Garth. Perhaps my questions are too challenging and frighten off the desperate on this forum.
By Harry S
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Harry the only desperate one that I see on this forum that is frightened is you. Your obsession with Dion is sickening already. If I were you I would be more concerned about your beloved leader Harper and his chances in the next election. His non accountability. His dictator type leadership. As for forcing an unwanted election, well to anyone but the blatant blind partisan Conservative supporters, It is most definitely Steven Harper’s fault if one is forced. He has been doing everything in his power to force one.
Carry on with your rants Harry. You are a perfect example of why I would never vote Conservative again. Harper was the first time for me last election and he has more than convinced me that I will never vote him or his party again.
Déjà vu all over again: Flaherty’s fiscal and integrity deficit
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/02/dj-vu-all-over-again-flahertys-fiscal.html
More good news for Ron Pual for Presedent in 2008.
“Support the Troops. Support the… ” Hey Wait, Who Are the Troops Supporting?
3min.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/31097
With Power Comes a Selfish Point of View
(Does this sound like some PM and his gang?)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501236.html
Just finished watching the National Geographic ‘Wild Sex’ series. Man, the Trolls are boring compared to that!
They should all be praying mantises. They keep going at it even without their heads. Sure sounds familiar around here.
It was some of the best satire I have heard since Monty Python! Amazing in HDTV as well.
Amazing wha tthe Harper supporters could learn from the African Dung Beetle as well. The realy have their S**t together! LOL Did you know that elephants, the symbol of the Rethuglican Party, CRAP 150 Kg a day?
Shhhhh!…don’t tell Harper, because the Trolls here produce far more of it daily than those elephants do.
Goodnight Gracie!
Garth, take the high road!
Do not stoop to the level of doing politics as a blood sport.
There is already enough pain on this planet without causing more.
The reason why Obama is so popular is because he gives some dignity to ALL human beings, and does not demonize his opponents. That is why he is gaining momentum.
I don’t see that kind of positive attitude very often on this blog. Those who try to be positive and constructive are put down and demeaned.
You cannot build anything permanent and constructive on negativity, ad hominem attacks, and using language like “liar” which is not even allowed in Parliament.
How can we start talking TO one another instead of PAST one another unless we become more civil and undestanding in our dialogue.
And for the campaign, please, no promises that you have no intention of keeping.
By Kevin on 02.16.08 12:35 pm
Then what the heck do you expect them to talk about?
The Liberal party has never made a promise it intended to keep.
Now I am trying to politely respond to everybody’s questions concerning my posting … but it seems nobody wants to broach the questions I am posing to forum Liberals and even Garth. Perhaps my questions are too challenging and frighten off the desperate on this forum.
By Harry S on 02.16.08 9:06 pm
Poor Harry, what you fail to understand is that anyone with two functional brain cells to rub together knows the answer to your question. You think you are being witty and pithy about, but in fact you only display your complete lack intellectual honesty.
You see Harry, it not the answer to the question you ask, it is question itself you ask that is incorrect. Let me help you
1) Who is in power?
2) Who, despite 2 too 1 ratings lead in leadership still isn’t able to translate that lead into support for his party?
3) Who has spend millions of dollars on a constant negative ad campaign for over a year against his chief political rival?
4) Who has spend million on failed negative ad campaign that has failed to translate in support for his party?
5) Who has yet to release the purse strings and start campaigning against their opponent?
Now Harry, if you are honest with yourself and you answer these questions honestly and take those answer and ask the obvious intelligent question you might find people will to engage you.
Me, I’m not hold my breath, your lucid and saner moments here only last a few days before you fall back to your screeching made monkey routine.
Maybe it’s time to see your doctor and have him up the meds, hmmm?
Harry S., one person does not make a political party. Canadians didn’t like Harper in 2006 and voted Conservative anyway. The same thing is entirely possible with the Liberals in the next election. Dion is not charasmatic… but neither is Harper.
The Conservatives have purposely tried to smear and defame Dion…with some effect. It was a desperate move by a party with no morals or ethics. Canadian with a sense of decency do not approve of this outlandish Conservative behaviour.
When it comes to real policy the Liberals can blow the Conservatives out of the water any day. All the neoCons understand is outdated and simplistic policies that revolve around cutting taxes. This does NOT show any VISION or stewartship of our country. Any monkey can cut taxes… like George W. Bush – it takes some intellect and brains to formulate good policy alternatives. Harper has proven that he is incapable of any depth of thought. He is shallow and opportunistic.
Would the Liberals be doing better with Rae or Ignatieff? Who knows. I think the best man for the job never even ran…Frank McKenna.
The Nanos numbers are the only ones to watch in this election. They’ve nailed the last two elections within 0.1% of the actual vote. No other polling company comes even close.
The biggest joke in all of this is Jack Layton. Here is a man who turned his back on some significant social programs in terms of the Kelowna Accord and a national day care program when he voted non-confidence against the Martin government. To hear him complain about the lack of progress on social initiatives under the Conservatives is an absolute joke.
With about 30% of the population being hard core Conservatives the other 70% represent a chance for the Liberals if people think about where to put their vote strategically. NDP and Green supporters will have to think very hard when they are in the polling booth if they really want another Conservative government – since voting for the NDP or Greens could make that happen.
Dion’s Liberals may not be the first choice of NDP and Green voters…but it will be a far stronger second choice than to vote for Harper’s neoCons.
We can debate this until the cows come home…truth is once the election is called the Canadian public will have their first real opportunity to learn about Dion and hear what he has to say. My guess is that they will like what they see and hear…especially compared to the egomaniac alternative.
Leasa:
Michael Harris, of the Ottawa Sun, (is he any relation to Mikey Harris, of Conservative gov’t. infamy in Ontario?), has indulged himself in a little fairy tale story telling in the Sun so while we’re in the realm of fiction, perhaps we could suggest that the only connection Mr. Dion has to any “bean”, would be in the role of Jack, the giant-killer. Mr. Harper would play the role of the “has been”.
Leasa, why don’t you just take up weather forecasting? You seem to like to talk about it a lot.
Harry S., no one bothers responding to your postings because there is no point…as a neoCon troll everyone realizes you are only on here to disrupt intelligent debate. People are neither frightened or challenged by your postings. They are simply bored with them.
Van:
Gosh Van, you want a list? Ask Marlene Jennings, Diane Marleau, Mr. Baines,(sp?),
Paul Martin and I need not go on because the hour is late and you really know this already.
. . . Army of Harper. . . .
I seem to recall there was once a film released called “Army of Darkness”.
Change a few words and it becomes “Harper’s Army of Darkness, Deceit and Treachery”.
If the shoe fits, wear it!
BTW, speaking of shoes doesn’t Jumbo Jimbo release a new fattened budget soon?
It will be a pack of lies anyhow, so why bother?
He passed through the 7th portal? . . .
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.16.08 6:27 pm
Small error, Bill . . . “He PISSED through the 7th portal?”
The portal rebuffed him though, as he is unfit for consumption.
ANY consumption!
Especially for Harry S and of same ilk, report pertains to the fall of the dollar.
Every dog has its’ day. Including CRAP.
http://tinyurl.com/2f73vy
Dear Harry:
May I suggest, again, that you get your own blog. You could “challenge” people there to your heart’s content and maybe even find some fellow travellers by joining Blogging Tories.
Or are you just having too much fun throwing eggs on this forum?
Believe me … because they say: Listen to your friends but listen more closely to your enemies because they will reveal the truth about yourself.
Good advice Harry on your 6:40 post. You said; Listen to your enemies(that would be us according to you) because they will reveal the truth about yourself, (That’s you Harry) Do you understand what you just wrote? Alleluia Harry, your finally admitting that your a washout.
Cheers
In any event how has your dedication been rewarded by the Liberals?
They let me speak. — Garth
By John L on 02.16.08 7:39 pm
So Garth, given they “let you speak”, you must then agree with Stephane Dion’s vision of a Big Government state (i.e. new Billion $ programs, higher taxes, slower debt reduction, etc). Seems that this does not sit well with your previous conservative values.
The Libs haven’t elaborated on how they will implement the costly child care program (by all accounts, if it was fully implemented, it would cost over 15 Billion per year). Will the child care program be available to every family? If yes, how would it funded? which programs would be cut? or what taxes would be raised? If not, which family would be left out?
You want us to believe your leader, then give us the details!
And Garth, I am surprised that you are not writing how wonderful Stephane Dion’s announcement on infrastructure is. Why is that?
Speaks for itself. Self-financing and socially astute. — Garth
Nikolai Nikolaivitch on 02.16.08 6:26
And the JabberWokky continues his pointless gibberish. (While his TOILET
… /BRAIN is on OVERFLOW)
Visit the commode, JabberWokky!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/28/xin_4701022814075932065711.jpg
A quote from Sam Beckett is in order:
My next work shall be on rice paper wound about a spool, with a perforated line every six inches and on sale in Boots. The length of each chapter will be carefully calculated to suit with the average free motion…The Beckett Bowel Books.
To cut the deficit Chretein cut the Trudeau programs Mulroney had funded. Two wrongs doesn`t make Trudeau right.
The Liberal surplus was created by devaluing the dollar giving the exporters an unfair advantage over American companies. This unquestionably bad idea has Ontario now paying the price. Also our current surpluses have nothing to do with the 2 years of Conservative government, it`s all about globally priced commodities that our government has nothing to do with. It`s all about global demand.
I`m still waiting for someone, anyone to tell me what any government over the last 40 years has done right. Oh never mind, just keep up the status quo and elect the best of the worst and if you havn`t gone to cash, buy a tent.
By got rope? on 02.16.08 3:43 pm
My point was not that Trudeau was correct in his spending habits. I’ll take the Cons. word that he overspent, I wasn’t here. The point is that under the Libs of Cretien and Martin the deficit was cured. Maybe, as you point out, by cutting some of the Trudeau overspending programs. Libs started the problem, Libs fixed the problem.
Its also interesting you add that Mulroney, as a conservative, continued to spend the Trudeau way. I guess following today’s Con logic that would make them bad fiscal managers as well.
The devalued dollar would not have helped. Sure it gave industry an advantage, but it would have made it more expensive to service our debt. All US. debt is in $US dollars. A lower $CDN would mean more $CDN needed to pay off the same $US debt.
But have you noticed that currencies get devalued when the countries have massive debt. The UK in the 70’s, the US. right now, Mexico, Brazil and a host of othes in between. The Libs did not devalue the dollar. That was a result of the fiscal problems the country faced at that time, problems caused by Trudeau and Mulroney.
As for what any government has done right in the last 40 years… some people, like yourself, will never be happy. All they can do is make promises on which they will be elected, try to keep them and if they can’t have a good explaination why. Its on this last point that Harper fails with his broken promises.
The other lie the COns are spreading is that the current Liberal promises will cause us to go back into deficit. John McCallum, the opposition finance critic has made it perfectly clear that promise #1 is that we will not go into deficit. Does this mean some of the other promises won’t be kept, very probably, but I suspect it also means some of Harper/Flaherty’s program overspending will be cut.
I mean after all the fiasco about Border Security … was CBSA asleep?
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.16.08 6:27 pm
Who has “charge” of CBSA? Why, none other than the great divine planner, perfecto mundo, security minister, who was aided and abetted by another member of his divine species, acting on delegated authority. ‘Onthophagus gazella Fabricius,’ depicted as follows, of the S-4-B genus;
http://insects.tamu.edu/images/insects/common/images/b-txt/bimg147.html
By brain on 02.16.08 8:37 pm
Thanks for the link! I guess you already know there is some concern among pollsters about being BLOCKED, EXCLUDED or DISCREDITED in their function, due to the fact that Harper’s Bizarre is suggessting ministerial control of the “messaging.”
Telling the truth and not lying are two different things. You wanna win an election, tell the truth, the inside non-stealth version of just what the hell Canadians are going to be facing.
The women’s version please. On everything from GM food to the despicable state of our land/air/water.*** All of it or nothing.
By Molly on 02.16.08 8:42 pm
Dear Molybdenum, (of sterling character, not the false chrome)
In other civilised jurisdictions,*** governments are DEALING WITH the issues you have mentioned. I cite the following source, which might also be of interest to Bill, Brain and Greg.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/activism/how-to-install-micro-wind-turbines-and-solar-panels/2166/
Moving forward from that source, you will find a ‘project control chart,’ much the same as a critical path, noting progress, level of funding and other issues.
http://www.lowcarbonbuildings.org.uk/about/hfaqs/
But, you have to give it a “cookie,” Molly.
We can’t expect the “same” resourcefulness from the current régime, Molly. They can’t even get tying their shoelaces right!
Their LEGEND precedes them:
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Worthington_Peter/2007/09/19/4507988.php
Harper has appointed lousy (meaning unknowledgeable and inexperienced) people as ministers of citizenship and immigration — first Monte Solberg, who was hopeless, and now Diane Finley who is worse. I think, although Mr. Worthington doesn’t say it, both are modelled after Forrest Gump!
More for Molly;
http://www.lowcarbonbuildings.org.uk/lowcbp/statistics/statisticsView.action;jsessionid=0a0a071a30d8a0593b18d4344bb5ae3aeffd90180e6c.e34PaxuMah4Rci0La3qPa3mNb41ynknvrkLOlQzNp65In0
Please note that figures are shown for currently live or successfully completed grants only. Grants that have been offered but subsequently withdrawn or expired are not included.
Birdy[BOO!]Baird and Gary Lunn[G]e have conspired, through incompetence, to delay the ‘feebate’ program for vehicles, and the ‘retrofit’ program for households. Wish I had something more positive to say, Molly, but words fail me when I examine the level of incompetence of this government. As I recall, it ALL BEGAN with the Harper’s Bizarre appointment of Rona Ambrose. Is she “kiting” cheques from Nigeria now?
Perhaps my questions are too challenging and frighten off the desperate on this forum.
By Harry S on 02.16.08 9:06 pm
Harry, you have placed far too much value on your QUESTIONS … which ARE, for all intents and purposes, irrelevant.
Leasa, Leasa – you’re so gullible – you do know, don’t you, that the Mike Harris that wrote the Mr. Bean article is an “NDP supporter” – so, of course he’s going to attack Dion. LOL.
My husband doesn’t read blogs, but was reading over my shoulder and said who in hell is that goof Harry S? LOL. I said – to know him is not to love him – he’s a typical CPC troll.
If the stink from QP in the House of Commons is soo bad that even the MP’s who have to sit there have a difficult time enduring it then it must be time for an election.
If we the great unwashed cannot bear to watch QP because of the flatulent posturing from the governing party and the mindless questions and responses about personality politics instead of issues.
Then it is time for an election.
Canada has REAL issues that need to be resolved NOW. The “it’s not my fault the Liberals did it when they were here” response doesn’t cut it as a legitimate response to the economy.the environment
and the myriad of other regional issues that need a national government response.
Ya Garth your right, LETS ROLL!
The next election will be about issues, leadership and accountability for foisting an election that Canadians don’t really want.
On all three of the things you list there, Harry, the SH party falls short. And the first thing its fails at is realising that Canada does not want an election. Right now it is the responsibility of the government to find a way of working with the representatives of the majority of Canada: the opposition parties. This constant setting of “traps” to trigger an election is not leadership: It is bullying and cowardice.
Who has “charge” of CBSA?
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 6:58 am
Hmmmmm! Yes, What have we here? Why would I feel more secure were the Minister of Silly Walks in charge of our Border Security rather than Doris Day?
“Lupiens! Get your lupiens!”
Why would Harper till March 4 to be defeated by Dion? He’ll wait till Wednesday morning for Dion’s Liberal amendment to the budget, call the Afghanistan vote that afternoon, and head over to see the GG. And then start running his Dion-is-not-a-leader ads.
Hey Catherine, Leasa, Harry S and all of the rest of the Socon pissant crew.
Dont despair, after this election loss you can castrate Steve and send him packing back to the hills of Alberta.
At least then you can get real leader for yourselves!
Good work Harry, I read a few of your posts and they were well composed. You have hit a sore point with a lot of lefties out there because they are all over you. You have taken some heat over rude responses, but it is the Libs own that spot here.
It has been reported that Monsieur Dion is getting set to pull the trigger on the government, and that some Liberal MPs are getting set to pull the trigger on him.
Should be interesting.
Garth says that the Liberal Party lets him speak, but apparently they won’t allow him to share what is actually going on in the Liberal caucus at this time.
If he did, you can bet your bottom dollar that Dion would pull the trigger on him as well.
My only censor is myself. And why would I stoke partisan autobots like you? — Garth
James- Chatham on 02.17.08 6:45 am
Very enjoyable response James.
Just a few points you.
“Libs started the problem, Libs fixed the problem.”
I already pointed that out and how. I added two wrongs don`t make a right but you seem content with that.
Your take on currency has some international value but our buck actually hit it`s lowest after the deficit was paid and some debt was paid down. btw it was intentional, the big shout in 1995 was the loonie will drop out of sight should Quebec separate. In fact if that happened the loonie would fly high. You did leave out the part where the extra profit exporters made was balanced by an equal amount out of Cdn consumers pockets which average was well over $100B/year.
“As for what any government has done right in the last 40 years… some people, like yourself, will never be happy”
lol James you make it sound minuscule, `some people`, lol. I belong to the largest single block of eligible voters, which is larger than the Lib, Con support in total.
You simply can`t write off the quagmire this country is in from decades of failed governments by saying `some people`, you`ll only sink it farther in the muck.
You don`t seem the kind of person that would say “Does this mean some of the other promises won’t be kept, very probably”. I guess `some people` will never be happy, lol.
Looking down the road to the next permutation (or the next after that, …) of the Conservative party into something that more Canadians might find palatable, I thought that Jim Prentice might just be the person to make that transformation. I’ve listened to him a couple of times and found him to be an acceptable contrast to Harper or some of the uber-partisans in the party (although I do have serious reservations with respect to the task he’s been given in peddling the Copyright reforms – Michael Geist has it right).
So I do have a question for you with regards to this meeting you attended. Did you or any other attendee challenge him on the bull-shyte portion of his speech, ask him to stick to the facts, because to do otherwise is unflattering and not helping his cause?
As one of the many Canadians who have never joined a political party, because I feel no party truly represents my views, I have often voted to throw the bums out. This looks like another chance to do that. I have noticed over the years that it doesn’t matter which party is in power, arrogance becomes the ruling parties most repulsive characteristic. It has never before been displayed quite as obviously as by Harper. The real question is; can anyone be trusted to keep their promises? Lies have filled the campaigns of all the parties we have elected for years. It appears that the modus operandi is promise anything to get elected, then do whatever you want if you win. For the most part, If I vote for a party based on dislike for the present governments policies, once the other party gets in, it turns out that there is no real difference in the other parties policies. The biggest example is PC FTA and Liberal NAFTA, where it appears that we are actually being run by the USA, rather than a made in Canada policy. What will the Liberals do about the proposed made in Hollywood copyright law changes that SH has tried to do twice now, if they are elected? This is just one example of what I consider subtle attempts to annex Canada by the USA. I don’t dislike Americans, only the way that large commercial interests run their country, contrary to the interests of citizens. I see the same thing happening here, and it concerns me.
I don’t dislike Americans, only the way that large commercial interests run their country, contrary to the interests of citizens. I see the same thing happening here, and it concerns me.
By Harold S. on 02.17.08 10:29 am
A lot of people feel the same way and there is a difference. Ronald Reagan said `The Cdn government (tax payers) finace a company to start it off, then tax it to death and when it`s down on it`s knees they subsise it to save jobs. The folly of that seems to have run it`s course with emphsis now on paying down the national debt.
I`m wondering if you`ve considered the following. Capatalisim has raised more people out of poverty than all the socialist governments combined.
The unelected Court Party runs this country and the result is an increase in crime compared to the US decline. Here are some Cdn facts on that. During our commodities boom which has fueled our low unemployement rate crime has gone up which is the reversable of historic trends. I`ve had this conversation here and have been told `crime rates are down`, Of course this isn`t true, only arrest rates are down while unreported crime is up which creates the illution crime is down, lol, ask anyone that walks a street, especially after dark. Here`s an interesting point on that. During this time when crime is supposedly down we have more police on the street per capita than ever before. If we have more police and less crime then why is almost every city in the country calling on hiring more police???
It does not add up.
On the system of capitalism Americans are still better off than Cdns. Even after funding the war and the recent economic downturn the average American is at least doing as good as the average Cdn.
Lastly if Nafta is bad for Canada and good for the US why is Obama promising to tear it up???
We say ‘Follow the money!’, but have we really considered where that money ends up?
What happened to the love?
GOP pundits hate John McCain. Here’s why
Has any recent U.S. presidential candidate come under such withering and relentless attack from his own side than John McCain?
Radio talk show hosts, prominent journalists, local conservative activists: They have slammed and denounced McCain for his heresies against Republican orthodoxy over the past decade:
…
2000 was a year of low political intensity (only 106 million Americans voted that year); 2008 promises to be the most intense year since 1980 (turnout should exceed the 2004 record of 122 million). There is a lot of emotion in the air, and with the surprise deflation of the Hillary Clinton candidacy, conservatives have been left to direct their emotions at each other instead.
But there is another difference, one rather awkward to talk about. Conservatism is a political philosophy. It is an electoral coalition. In recent years, it has also evolved into an industry.
And from the point of view of most participants in this industry, opposition is preferable to governing. Contributions flow more freely to campaigns — and thence to consultants, pollsters and advertising agencies. Rancor and conflict may inhibit legislation. But they sure boost ratings for talk shows.
Seems Harper only has Duffy to trumpet his allusion to greatness. Just like Rush Limburgher, Duffy is a definite ‘heavyweight!’ About like Sally Struthers pleading for starving children in some third world country. Excuse moi! Neither look like they have a clue what it means to go without is like!
Now, stop and count the number of ‘pundits’ who are raking in the dough blathering about nothingness, and you will see who’s ox is threatened to be gored by a change in the political assininity!
So, Garth has hit a few nerves this week it would seem?
Preaching the dogma of dependency
A student of opinion should listen with the greatest care to whatever is spoken carelessly, knowing we reveal ourselves not in words we consider noteworthy but by saying what we assume is most obviously true. Our convictions, sometimes even our country’s dominant political philosophy, may come to light through spontaneous pronouncements, such as Garth Turner’s recent remark about bringing down the federal government on a budget vote.
In political matters, are Canadians individualists or collectivists? Turner, Liberal MP for the Ontario riding of Halton, deserves attention in this context because he’s an experienced foot soldier in the army of politicians and bureaucrats governing Canada. A former business journalist, he’s proven he can sit as a Conservative, an Independent or a Liberal. As a politician never accused of originality, he has a firm grip on the conventional wisdom. That, and his flexibility, make him a representative figure.
more…by robert.fulford@utoronto.ca
Read who this ‘pro’ is Robert Fulford
Now, read the rest because this is a great example of what a professional assassin can accomplish with words. Coy! Very coy! Sounds like an Iggy supporter, if it profits him to be so.
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By Irene on 02.17.08 2:36 am
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 7:54 am
By Big L Man on 02.17.08 9:26 am
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In each of the above postings, the posters attacked the messenger rather than address themselves to the issues and questions posed by me. They sank to the lowest possible level of discourse, and that suggests they are unable and unwilling to broach my questions about Dion’s abysmal leadership record. A failed leader will not make a successful prime minister.
Some said what I posted was irrelevant, but I based all my questions on Nanos and Ispos polling results. Why do all of you, Garth included, prefer to ignore the polling facts that expose Dion’s abject unpopularity as a leader.. do you fear the facts ….??!!!
The Liberal party is currently being led by an Ichabod Crane headless horseman, and only between 10-15% of Canadians prefer him for prime minister. Go figure ..!!
Surely a legitimate question for forum Liberal lovers is how can a 15% leader boost a 30% party in the hope of forming the next government?? That’s the seminal question come the next election, and if you can’t respond rationally, only slagging the messenger, then you are lost.
If you notice, Bill-Muskoka has already given up on Dion’s leadership with his statement that:
“Some wonder how the Liberals can win with Dion? Well, Liberals, …. KNOW that they are voting for the candidate in their riding, not directly for Stephane Dion, except those in HIS riding.” – Bill-Muskoka
This is a tacit admission that Dion is NOT a leader, and should not be considered a national political leader either. Dion might as well stay holed up in his St. Laurent-Cartierville riding and not emerge until the massacre is over. Thank you Billy-M for that unequivocal opinion on Dion’s abject leadership. I hope the others on this fine forum will come to that same conclusion … Dion is NOT a leader.
An interesting take on Reading between the freely spoken lines
It seems George Jonas, of The National Post, has an interesting take on Free Speech, or does he?.
When it comes to issues like apartheid in Israel, well, there is a line to be drawn because….?
Harry, This is totally untrue
“the posters attacked the messenger”
“unable and unwilling to broach my questions about Dion’s abysmal leadership record”
I said to you as I`ve said many times before. Leadership and in fact who wins the next election is meaningless. We`ll still wind up with a dysfunctional system.
You did not address my view of the issue but instead attacked me on a personal level.
It`s time you stopped accusing people of what you`re doing, it makes you look stupider than believing the next election will make a difference, ever will.
“A lot of people feel the same way and there is a difference. Ronald Reagan said `The Cdn government (tax payers) finace a company to start it off, then tax it to death and when it`s down on it`s knees they subsise it to save jobs.”
“Of course this isn`t true, only arrest rates are down while unreported crime is up which creates the illution crime is down”
“During this time when crime is supposedly down we have more police on the street per capita than ever before. If we have more police and less crime then why is almost every city in the country calling on hiring more police???”
By got rope? on 02.17.08 11:13 am
Reagan forget one aspect of how Canadian governments finance themselves. Given industry sectors, which have a history of dealing in cash are targeted by revenue canada on an ongoing basis. Mostly, these business’s never received subsidies as they are small business formed and run by individuals. As they often deal in cash, it is the assumption of revenue canada that they must be cheating so are treated negatively and often have arbitrary assessments made against them. If they fight, penalties and interest are assessed which often times equals or exceeds the original demand. If they continue to resist, the power of dictatorship is evoked, and their company and possibly personal bank accounts are frozen by virtue of law. All cheques in process cannot be honored and no funds can be withdrawn.
Squeeze the little guy. Steal from the Patriot. Most often, he isn’t political anyway. Easy prey.
2nd point. I remember reporting thefts to the RCMP and being told they weren’t a collection agency.
3rd point. Self proliferation. It’s what all governmental and quasi governmental agencies are engaged in, in our times. As well, consider the reports which state that half of the Toronto Police Force resources are spent dealing with domestic related disputes. In our times, far too many folk are calling the cops for things that minor at best, and sadly are in fact encouraged by the cops to do so. Except in cases where they could make a difference. This keeps the machine rolling, the logs growing and the justification for more and more Police on the table year after year.
To make a start on reversing this, I would offer the words of Officer Corey/Chula Vista Police Dept, California USA. “Can’t you people decide who gets the last toaster strudel, without calling me?”
I don’t dislike Americans, only the way that large commercial interests run their country, contrary to the interests of citizens. I see the same thing happening here, and it concerns me.
By Harold S. on 02.17.08 10:29 am
I feel exactly the same way, but with a few insights having been born and lived most of my life in the States.
True, that large corporations have taken over the American government, especially the Congress and State legisl;atures via lobbyists.
However, Americans have been subjugated to a continuous stream of never ending propaganda by their government, business power brokers, and especially the Madison Avenue marketing crowd.
People everywhere are purposely treated like mushrooms, and it works quite well. Some of it innocent in that those attempting to ‘market’ their product are trying to make a living, not openly defraud the public.
Americans have, traditionally, been more prone towards the Puritan belief structures and the mentality of Oliver Cromwell types. This has left them ignorant of the world around them and basically sheeple to be led atray.
Now, however, with the advent of the internet, and true freedom of access to information, their world is changing.
No longer can the few who own the majority of news sources control the flow of information.
This is exemplified by the rise and strength of Barack Obama’s campaign, and the fierce oppostiion by the ‘old school’ far right Republicans against John McCain.
Like the song says ‘The times they are a changin’!', and the new message is like the Eagles new song ‘A Long Road Out of Eden’!
Canada is going through the same, and when it is over, hopefully, we will have the kind of integrity in government, and the citizenry that provides a stable and sustainable economy and environment.
The generation 70 and over may not get it, but they are soon to be passing into the distance of history.
We Boomers have been witness to almost all of it, and what we didn’t personally experience we learned from our parents and grandparents. I clearly remember the Civil Rights Movement, The Cuban Crisis, JFK’s, RFK’s, and MLK’s Assassinations (Hmmm, there is a thought I have not had before…Three K’s…and that could well add upto KKK, which certainly makes sense)
We adopted their worldview, until later in life. We now have a greatly revised world view and this Boomer intends to leave something better for the following generations.
Few recall that when their parents (my generation) were born the electric light, gas powered automobile, telephone, radio indoor plumbing (for the majority), and the aeroplane were ‘novel inventions’.
My parents lived through WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, and all the other things. It has been one Helluva Century of change and instability economically, socially, and societally. My grandparents lived through the American Civil War, and the century change. (Now I DO feel old ARGH!)
Americans and Canadians share many things in common, except our historical social attitudes. Those are very similar, but vastly different.
We can, and must do better by learning from, rather than repeating, the past.
It is our choice to make. We must choose wisely! Like it or not we will be progressive because things change constantly. Hopefully we will not be regressive and foolish?
Odd, how pathological liars attempt to convince people over and over they are telling the truth when everyone else knows they are just lieing as usual.
If they cannot win the point then they mistate what another has said or eluded to. It seems to be a major psychological component, a prerequisite for afilliation in the CPC.
Like vampires unable to to see their own image in a mirror, these pathological liars can never behold themselves as others know them to be. It is almost sad when you think about it…almost!
Harper is not a leader because blaming others for a lack of action is not leadership. Harper is a coach as he uses a coaches coercion technique of not allowing you to play in the game unless you follow his instructions to the letter.
Harper as coach is very good but Harper is NOT a leader.
Leaders take responsibility for the actions of the team and hold the vision for the good of everyone.
Harper is NOT a leader and he proves it every time he opens his mouth.
Just because I say this does that make it true ,of course not, it is just my opinion as a coach who understands the game. Harper is a coach not a leader.
I hope the others on this fine forum will come to that same conclusion …
By Harry S on 02.17.08 11:45 am
When all evils but hope, were freed to the air
our world was lost in grief and despair.
Pandora at last, released hope from its ties,
allowing us then to live with our lies.
So, Harry A$$, the scribe has writ that you be allowed to continue in your delusion … in order for you to mistakenly place your faint hope and heavy investment in that type of attack advertising.
Poor Harry, when people challange him like this
You see Harry, it not the answer to the question you ask, it is question itself you ask that is incorrect. Let me help you
1) Who is in power?
2) Who, despite 2 too 1 ratings lead in leadership still isn’t able to translate that lead into support for his party?
3) Who has spend millions of dollars on a constant negative ad campaign for over a year against his chief political rival?
4) Who has spend million on failed negative ad campaign that has failed to translate in support for his party?
5) Who has yet to release the purse strings and start campaigning against their opponent?
Now Harry, if you are honest with yourself and you answer these questions honestly and take those answer and ask the obvious intelligent question you might find people will to engage you.
Poor, poor Harry runs screaming from the room crying that people are mean to him.
Now, Harry, time to be a big boy and answers those questions. I even drew you a picture (colours and everything) to help explain the point you are completely missing.
By Zorpheous on 02.16.08 11:00 pm
You see Harry, it not the answer to the question you ask, it is question itself you ask that is incorrect. Let me help you
1) Who is in power?
2) Who, despite 2 too 1 ratings lead in leadership still isn’t able to translate that lead into support for his party?
3) Who has spend millions of dollars on a constant negative ad campaign for over a year against his chief political rival?
4) Who has spend million on failed negative ad campaign that has failed to translate in support for his party?
5) Who has yet to release the purse strings and start campaigning against their opponent?
Now Harry, if you are honest with yourself and you answer these questions honestly and take those answer and ask the obvious intelligent question you might find people will to engage you.
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Good questions, Zorpheous, so let me respond to each thusly:
1) Who is in power?
Canada has a minority Conservative government led by the Right Honourable Prime MInister Stephen Joseph Harper. The entire HoCs agreed to set election dates, and the current date is in October 2009. If the opposition parties have no confidence in the Harper government, they will precipitate an election Canadians don’t really want. So in effect, power is shared in the current Parliament, and if the opposition presents unacceptable amendments to government confidence legislation, the prime minister has no other option than to dissolve Parliament and have another election.
2) Who, despite 2 too 1 ratings lead in leadership still isn’t able to translate that lead into support for his party?
I think I answered this question at “By Harry S on 02.16.08 9:06 pm”. The real question is how will a 15% Liberal leader be able to boost the 30% Liberal party into government. Surely Dion does not have the credibility necessary to strengthen the Liberal party and it’s message. Dion is a dud, and Canadians have stated so in all polling.
3) Who has spend millions of dollars on a constant negative ad campaign for over a year against his chief political rival?
4) Who has spend million on failed negative ad campaign that has failed to translate in support for his party?
Both these questions are based on the same premise, and that premise is no longer applicable because the ads were only held for a short period of time in the broader public arena. The ads against Dion were mostly based on what other Liberals said of Dion, and they devastated his leadership hopes. The ads were intended to define Dion, which they successfully did with Dion now hugely unpopular amongst Canadians.
In the next election, popular prime minister Harper will have to lead Canadians to the Conservative party, whereas hugely unpopular Dion will not be a credible spokesperson for the Liberals mired at ~30% in the polls. Harper will pull up the Conservatives, while Dion will suck down the Liberals.
5) Who has yet to release the purse strings and start campaigning against their opponent?
Obviously the Liberal party has not had the financial resources to launch any kind of cogent public campaign, but that is understandable because Dion was only a rookie leader, and Liberals couldn’t say much about him in the first few months of his tenure. Dion has gone downhill since he was selected as Liberal leader, and once he is fully exposed to Canadians in an election campaign, he will have to triple his popularity in 6 short weeks. That would be incredible if not incredulous.
I hope I have adequately responded to your fine questions, but if not please do not hesitate to correct me. Meanwhile I would appreciate your response to my valid questions concerning Dion’s abysmal leadership numbers in poll after poll … and how Liberals can hope to present Dion as their best offering as prime minister of Canada.
reports which state that half of the Toronto Police Force resources are spent dealing with domestic related disputes
Greg on 02.17.08 12:12 pm
I don`t have those reports and can`t find them but I`d love to add them to my collection. Do you have any links?
This keeps the machine rolling, the logs growing and the justification for more and more Police on the table year after year.
To make a start on reversing this, I would offer the words of Officer Corey/Chula Vista Police Dept, California USA. “Can’t you people decide who gets the last toaster strudel, without calling me?”
By Greg on 02.17.08 12:12 pm
Precisely, and it is fostered by the MSM who make headlines of rather minor occurences. The politicians play it up as well.
We lost a very fine OPP Constable here due to their making a domestic relations response at 0230 Hrs. When they hit a Bull Moose and then a rock face. The one Constable was killed outright, and the other is still recouperating.
My response was ‘If this dysfunctional couple has been involved before then charge them criminally.!’
Like the article I posted on SHITake Mushrooms, all that is required is a rotting hardwood log that can nuture the fungus. We need to stop nurturing SHITake, and start growing society.
Mandatory counselling of both should be required. If the female is the problem then she needs to be dealt with, not coddled as is too often the case.
If the male is the problem, likeiwse.
The U.S. attempted to pass an Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution back in the ’80’s. Congress passed it, but not the required 38 States were willing to ratify it.
The feminists wanted equal treatment, except responsibility and legal adherence to the law. This, too, has become an industry gobbling up millions to support itself. Real and genuine equality means exactly that…’You are equally responsible…period.’
I like what the Judge told the DUI, his second offense in less than a year, offender this past week in Court “You have offered some explanation for your actions, but there is no excuse!” The culprit got 45 days in jail plus fines.
Words to remember!
Catherine: Unfortunately Mr. Harpers Big Brother state only includes Quebec.
And why not wait for an election call before asking parties about their platforms. After all, we don’t have the Cons platforms yet, do we?
We have no idea the Cons position on the economy, Child Care (actually they have no policy, they prefer to hand out baby bonuses and pretend it is solving the child care problem),Health Care, Foreign Policy.
The Cons, I believe, have no plans beyond Feb. 26th.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.17.08 12:20 pm
Now that you have conceded that Dion is NOT a leader, do you think he has any hope of becoming Canada’s “Obama” with his own “Audacity of Hope” ..??
I would think it’s not likely given that Dion is despised amongst francophone Quebecers off Montreal Island … and Dion’s inability to comprehensively deliver any message of hope for Canadians in the RoC..!!!
Looks grim for the leaderless Liberal party going into a looming election being pushed by failed Dion desperately clinging to his last vestiges of credibility.
Too bad for the leaderless Liberal party as you correctly observe. If Dion attempts to present himself as a worthy leader, his campaign could be labeled “Audacity of Delusion” ..!!!
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.17.08 12:26 pm
Odd, how pathological liars attempt to convince people over and over they are telling the truth when everyone else knows they are just lieing as usual.
If they cannot win the point then they mistate what another has said or eluded to.
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Yes I agree that liars are despicable, like when they claim they are ex-US Marine, but refuse to stand up and proudly proclaim who they are … as they cower in their cowardliness and hide behind their anonymity …!!!
I hope I am not mistating what you said or eluded to when I quote your unequivocal published statement on this fine forum, namely:
“Some wonder how the Liberals can win with Dion? Well, Liberals, …. KNOW that they are voting for the candidate in their riding, not directly for Stephane Dion, except those in HIS riding.” – Bill-Muskoka
If you wish to clarify your unequivocal statement, please take this opportunity to do so … go ahead … we are waiting …
Dion is NOT a leader.
By Harry S on 02.17.08 11:45 am
Harry, you have placed far too much value on your QUESTIONS … which ARE, for all intents and purposes, irrelevant.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 7:54 am
And incessantly repetitive, to the point of being monotonous. What can you expect from the figment of someone’s schizophrenic grand standing mind?
Much like a soap opera. Wake me up next year so I don’t miss anything.
Too bad for the leaderless Liberal party as you correctly observe. If Dion attempts to present himself as a worthy leader, his campaign could be labeled “Audacity of Delusion” ..!!!
By Harry S on 02.17.08 12:57 pm
Again and again, we hear from the schizophrenic mind of whomever. Blah Blah Blah..
Somebody needs to pay heed to the fact that whatever it is that Airry represents, is terrified of an election, or needs reassurance. Is why the never ending fear mongering/fishing mantra…Not der Leader…Not der Leader..Not der Leader… bzzt bzzt..sh.or.t. .. ci..r..cu..it…Johnny 5 Short Circuit…..Mu..st..dis..assemble..
I hope I have adequately responded to your fine questions, but if not please do not hesitate to correct me. Meanwhile I would appreciate your response to my valid questions concerning Dion’s abysmal leadership numbers in poll after poll … and how Liberals can hope to present Dion as their best offering as prime minister of Canada.
By Harry S on 02.17.08 12:45 pm
Nope Harry you failed the test.
You get 9 out of 10 point for Question #1
Question #2 you failed to answer, and fell back on your worthless spin. The answer is; despite Harper’s lead in leadership polling, it has not translated into pushing the elect ability of the CPC from opposition minority to leadership minority to the grand Majority Polling Numbers Harper needs. Right now, polls place the CPC second to the Liberals.
You are correct, #3 and #4 are basiclly the same question, but the rest of your answer is wrong. They were not momentary ad campaigns, they have been constant. TV, Radio, Print media and the never ending broadsides on the Internet. Harper has been constantly leading a negative ad campaign assaulting Dion’s character from the very day he was elected leader. This is the only way Harper can hope to win, but it only works while Liberals watch Harper spend his load.
Question #5
You’re answer is wrong again, you don’t blow all your energy when it doesn’t count for Jack shit.
Oh, and Harry, these answers actually answer your question, but you will need to use your brain for a change. And if that doesn’t help, stop be my blog and see the post on Leadership, it explains everything.
Oh … Oh … Oh … !
Flim-Flam Dim-Jim is Concerned … NOW!
He bemoans the ’state of the economy’ in Canada’s most-populous province.
Look at Flim-Flam Dim-Jim Flaherty …
Note how concerned hs is!
http://www.financialpost.com/311931.bin?size=404×272
TORONTO — Last spring, a local labour leader with the Canadian Auto Workers union had an impromptu meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper at a Royal Canadian Legion branch in Kitchener-Waterloo. Mr. Harper, the union official says, told him that unemployed manufacturing workers in the area, more than 8,000 of whom have lost their jobs in the last two years, should look to Alberta to find employment.
My, OH MY! … What friends we have in Flim-Flam Dim-Jim Flaherty and Stephen Harper now that they finally realize the Community Care Fund [$1 Billion] is merely a drop in the bucket in the face of anticipated drastic manufacturing unemployment numbers. The problem called for LEADERSHIP … NONE WAS EVIDENT! Will Peter Van Loan soon tell us Flaherty and Harper are the SMALL MEN of Confederation?
So, OK, Flim-Flam Dim-Jim tells TALL STORIES! Infrastructure? What do you mean Infrastructure? Fix your own damned potholes!
For more anecdotal, see CBC Marketplace to discover where the GST cuts went.
we are waiting …
By Harry S on 02.17.08 1:10 pm
We??? I`m sure there`s a medical term that fits. Megalomaniac, egomaniac, perhaps schizophrenia, delusionary. Not sure which it is Harry but your one mind does not neccesaraly involve the lot of us.
Jim Prentice is on the “progressive” wing of the “conservative” party.
I don’t think that he and Garth are that far apart on many issues, particularly in areas like SSM.
And I agree with him that if Monsieur Dion really wants to pull the trigger on the budget vote, then the Senate should get this crime bill through by March 1, and if the Liberal MPs really want that to happen, they should vote accordingly, and seek to influence their senators to get on with it, before they bring the government down.
Wake me up next year so I don’t miss anything.
By Greg on 02.17.08 1:12 pm
But, my friend, we must be respectful of someone who professes TO LEAD the two bulbs, Leasa and Catherine, who have neither germinated nor flowered intellectually.
Please posters, no more responding in any way to Harry S’s post, they are giving me a massive migraine and diminishing this blog Harry S is totally consumed with his belief that Dion should go, this is not going to happen. If after an election is held and a winner/loser proclaimed, then Harry can come back with his views. Meanwhile go away Harry until you can post more rational comments.
Psssssssssssssst! Flim-Flam Dim-Jim is CATCHING ON …
But it’s not only the auto industry being hurt. Manufacturers of non-metallic mineral products, including companies that make cement, concrete and glass, reported a 12.4% decline in sales in December, to $1.1-billion, Statistics Canada said. That’s evidence the slowdown in the U.S. construction sector is beginning to hit home, according to TD Bank.
The housing construction slump contributed to widespread decreasess in wood product deliveries, Statistics Canada said. Sales fell 8.3% to $1.9-billion in December, the lowest level in almost 12 years.
“No matter where you look now, the negative forces are gathering against the U.S. consumer,” BMO senior economist Michael Gregory said in a note. “Deflating home prices, tightening credit conditions, falling equity prices, rising food prices, escalating energy costs, and, perhaps most profoundly, weakening job growth.” Average job growth in the U.S. during the past seven months has slowed to a pace that, looking back at history, heralded the past six recessions, Mr. Gregory said.
If fewer new jobs means fewer new cars and new homes, Ontario’s real pain may have just begun.
The NEVER-RESPONSIVE Flim-Flam Dim-Jim Flaherty and his sidekick, Stephen Harper, will be wearing this fine suit for a long … long … long …time.
Harry, you have placed far too much value on your QUESTIONS … which ARE, for all intents and purposes, irrelevant.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 7:54 am
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Somebody needs to pay heed to the fact that whatever it is that Airry represents, is terrified of an election, or needs reassurance. Is why the never ending fear mongering/fishing mantra…Not der Leader…
By Greg on 02.17.08 1:20 pm
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Pyotr …. If you consider my question concerning Dion’s leadership as irrelevant, then you must also consider Dion irrelevant too. A political party must have a leader who is credible, and if Dion is irrelevant, he obviously has no credibility either ..!!!!
Greg … I welcome an election soon, so that Canadians will be able to compare the political parties and the message each of their respective leaders provides the voters. Since Dion is a terrible communicator in English, and is held in such low esteem particularly in Quebec, I think it is safe to assume that Dion is NOT recognized as a leader and certainly NOT worthy to be the prime minister of Canada …. plain and simple.
Unless both of you Liberal lovers can help overcome Dion’s dismal deficiencies, I don’t think your Liberal party has a hope in hell of advancing because Dion will suck down the Liberal vote something ferocious while improving the NDP’s position on the left and allowing the Conservatives to form a majority government.
If Dion is unable to understandably explain the issues the Liberal party is running on in the next election, you might as well kiss it off and just blow up the Liberal party as the first step to it’s long needed renewal.
No leader, no message, NO WIN ..!!
Oh and Harry, if you need to have it explained to by someone who is extremely well written I suggest to try here;
I can lead you to the cool clear water Harry, but I can’t make you drink.
By Greg on 02.17.08 1:20 pm,
Apparently HS is not very literate. I made a clear and precise statement regarding how people vote for candidates, in their own riding is the only ballot choice they have. Those votes makeup the Parliament.
The Liberals realize this item of reality.
Some here think that says’ Dion is not a leader!’ Well, it simply says, as any Secondary School graduate could discern, that people do not directly vote for the party leader at the ballot box. That is done by the particular party at their convention. People may, or may not like the Party leader, but still vote for their MP because the MP is worthy of their support.
They then have the opportunity to vote for their local candidate.
Is that confusing?
In the end, whoever gets the most MP’s gets to rule the House as the PM.
The second placers get the job of Official Opposition. A difference of one seat can make all the difference, which, in the end, means very little, other than titles, perks, and the side of the aisle they get to sit on. With three opposition parties and a minority government (the best choice we have to protect ourselves against meglamaniac abuses), the proper checks and balances remain in place, backed up by the Senate, and the GG.
Apparently, someone has an extreme fear of Stephane Dion, and I think it is Stephen Harper and the entire CRAP CPC!
The rants here on Garth’s bog by some remind me of the taunting schoolyard bully’s attempt to draw attention and seek power, usually surrounded, as all cowrads are, by their cherring section and other mindless thugish PUNKS. I learned a long time ago to ignore such maggot brained nothings!
I suspect they look in their mirror and say ‘If only I believe…Therefore, I am!’
They do not have such physical proofs like the paperwork, medals, etc. of their prior accomplishments. They look for such items at flea markets, and in Cracker Jack boxes…hoping, endlessly hoping for recognition, for personal value they can feel good about. They always try to make themselves look good by belittling others. They have nothing to hold up and say “I am some body. I have accomplished this!’ No, they come and leave empty handed. In the end they are simply loud mouthed LOSERS! PUNKS!.
Those of us who have actually done it need not prove to those who never could, because we know we have, and can prove to those worthy of such knowledge we speak truth.
What do you think about that Greg?
Ah, I am enjoying the gentle rain here. It cleans the Earth and takes away the snow and ice to refiill our Great Lakes, slowly and gently. Such is the cycle of nature.
The Cons, I believe, have no plans beyond Feb. 26th.
By Judy on 02.17.08 12:54 pm
Well, Judy, I believe their throne speech of last fall and their upcoming budget will lay out their plan. But, of course, if you are blind or have your blinders on, you will never get it.
As for your reference to child care, do you honestly think that the 1 Billion per year the previous Liberal government promised would give us a universal national child care in Canada? Please be honest and give us your answer.
Wat, exactly is a “partisan autobot”?
Someone who simply brings a partisan worldview to all issues?
Someone who simply dismisses views of other out of hand?
Someone who advocates his POV at all times?
People in glass houses, Garth.
Believe me … because they say: Listen to your friends but listen more closely to your enemies because they will reveal the truth about yourself.
Good advice Harry on your 6:40 post. You said; Listen to your enemies(that would be us according to you) because they will reveal the truth about yourself, (That’s you Harry) Do you understand what you just wrote? Alleluia Harry, your finally admitting that your a washout.
Cheers
By Irene on 02.17.08 2:36 am
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Harry: your 11:40 post.
In each of the above postings, the posters attacked the messenger rather than address themselves to the issues and questions posed by me. They sank to the lowest possible level of discourse, and that suggests they are unable and unwilling to broach my questions about Dion’s abysmal leadership record. A failed leader will not make a successful prime minister.
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Ahem Harry, I certainly didn’t disagree with you on my 2:36 Am post. Read it again won’t you? I actually agreed with you & thanked you but with its obvious that with the anger & venom stored inside you, you didn’t even notice. Too bad, so sad & goodbye.
Have a rotten day Harry, You deserve it
TO LEAD the two bulbs, Leasa and Catherine, who have neither germinated nor flowered intellectually.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 1:46 pm
Are you calling them Tu-Lips? LOL
“So I do have a question for you with regards to this meeting you attended. Did you or any other attendee challenge him on the bull-shyte portion of his speech, ask him to stick to the facts, because to do otherwise is unflattering and not helping his cause?”
By Dube on 02.17.08 10:25 am
Dear Dube,
The fundraiser was a $100 a plate, therefore there were no outspoken challengers to the lies and rhetoric that came from Minister Prentice’s speech writers that I witnessed.
As I said above Dube, the non-personal remarks were received with polite applause only.
When Minister Prentice came to our table after his speech I stood up, shook his hand and said, “Stick with the personal stuff. It comes across a lot better than the writer’s stuff.” He asked me for an example and I just said, “You know.” To which he replied “that’s good criticism” in a sincere way.
Immediately Minister Prentice asked a photographer to take a picture of myself and the only other person sitting with me at table 23. Her first name was Jane but she was supposed to be sitting at the head table, there just wasn’t enough room so she graciously joined me.
I was probably the last person to purchase a ticket for the fundraiser earlier that morning because I had only heard about the Prentice event that day on the radio. I am not a Conservative Party member.
That was as direct as I was going to be with Minister Prentice. He seemed to appreciate my unsolicited advice and I’m fairly certain he got the message.
I hope that helps Dube.
Sincerely,
MB
PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 1:55 pm
You`ll have to explain how those two are responsible for investors and jobs leaving Ontario since 2002. sry to put you out but I`m a little uneducated when it comes to the economy.
Just thinking I might have misunderstood, are they responsible for the US slowdown?
Wat, exactly is a “partisan autobot”?
Someone who simply brings a partisan worldview to all issues?
Someone who simply dismisses views of other out of hand?
Someone who advocates his POV at all times?
By John L on 02.17.08 3:59 pm
Here’s looking at Ya JG! Yes, it is definitely EWE! Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
I don`t have those reports and can`t find them but I`d love to add them to my collection. Do you have any links?
By got rope? on 02.17.08 12:53 pm
I might have, not sure. I think I posted the link on this blog. In fact I’m reasonably sure that I did, but it was a while back. I thought it very enlightening, and thus stored the tidbit among the other worthwhile tidbits in my memory banks. My brain is getting full, I only store important stuff now. Like a squirrel preparing for winter.
AHA! Oh OH! Elections Canada to investigate anti-Kyoto group at UoC
Canada’s chief electoral officer has been asked to investigate a series of radio ads, funded by an Alberta-based global warming skeptics group, which targeted key markets in vote-rich Ontario during the 2006 federal election.
The ads, which questioned the previous Liberal government’s climate change spending and initiatives, aired in five major Ontario markets and were financed through an elaborate system which allowed $200,000 to flow from a 53-year-old charity into a trust account at the University of Calgary. The account was then used by an anti-Kyoto Protocol group called the Friends of Science.
The group was formed a few years ago in Alberta by academics and former oil industry insiders, among others, to challenge Canada’s participation in the international Kyoto Protocol, a climate change agreement, and to cast doubt on peer-reviewed research that suggests human activity is causing dangerous changes to the climate and irreversible damage to the earth’s ecosystems.
Before it ran the ads, the Friends of Science pledged in a newsletter “to have a major impact on the next election.” Immediately after the 2006 vote brought Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative party to power, the organization boasted in another newsletter that its campaign was working, generating over 300,000 hits to their website in the days before Canadians went to the polls.
But facing embarrassing questions raised by the online SourceWatch.org encyclopedia, the university conducted an internal audit over the past year which concluded that its trust account had been used to “support a partisan viewpoint on climate change.” University officials subsequently shut down the trust account and launched a probe to get more answers, but refused to publicly release the entire audit.
“I can advise you that based on the concerns previously raised regarding the radio advertising, we are contacting Elections Canada to advise it of the review and why it is under way, and we will follow up with Elections Canada once it is complete,” Roman Cooney, the university’s vice-president of external relations, wrote in an e-mail to Canwest News Service.
“The university did not endorse the radio ads, nor were we aware the ads were being aired and that monies donated to the university were being used for that purpose. Our concern about the use of funds for advertising is clearly reflected in the position we have taken with Friends of Science.”
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The funding system allowed the Friends of Science to receive donations anonymously through the Calgary Foundation, a community charity which issues tax receipts to donors. Since the Friends of Science is not a registered charity, it was not eligible to accept funds directly from the foundation, but it could access the money when transferred to a “Research on Climate Change” trust account at the university.
Much more to read!…
‘Open and honest’, eh? My friggin toilet bowl!
Definitely, follow the money on this one EC! It will lead you right to Texass.
Hello? Exxon-Mobil? Elections Canada has a warrant for you to appear!
The Golden Rule of all Flim-Flam artists is to ‘Get out of town before the folks discover you Flim-Flamed them and come lookin’ fer ya with a rope in hand!’
Maybe this little item from Calgary and the so-called ‘Friends of Science’ (Yeah right, about like a Pimp is the friend of a John), may very well bring Harper, Baird, and the entire CPC CRASHING DOWN!
This is ILLEGAL, and criminal, and CRA will DEFINITELY be ‘very interested’ in the people involved.
Well, here is a glimpse of the REAL America, as only Chicago could serve it up, fresh and never frozen.
Burgers ‘N bigots
For all you PC types, welcome to the REAL world!
Well, here is a glimpse of the REAL America, as only Chicago could serve it up, fresh and never frozen.
Burgers ‘N bigots
For all you PC types, welcome to the REAL world!
And for those who think the word ‘niggardly’ is okay, you might want to read this as well. In the States, where racism and slavery flourished, the word still has a meaning far beyond Wikipedia, or some dictionary, it hurts people, and reflects on White society’s arrogant view of itself as superior.
In fact, you may get your Redneck, White ass face smashed in using it! How’s that for gentle Political Correctness in 2008?
If Mr. Dion is not truthful, I will look to you to tell the world. — Garth
So you take Mr.Harper and I will cover Mr. Dion, sounds like a plan!
You`ll have to explain how those two are responsible for investors and jobs leaving Ontario since 2002. sry to put you out but I`m a little uneducated when it comes to the economy. Just thinking I might have misunderstood, are they responsible for the US slowdown?
By got rope? on 02.17.08 4:38 pm
You can start at the following source which tracks the impact of high-risk subprime loans, with implications over a small number of companies. The overall result has been a CASCADING EFFECT on money markets, credit, tightening of consumer spending/demand and peripheral economic conditions.
http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0242692020070402?pageNumber=3&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true
CHRONOLOGY-New Century and the subprime meltdown
Chronology starts in 1995, tracking through April 2, 2007. The worsening conditions became apparent in early ‘06 with NO ANTICIPATORY MOVES made by David Dodge* (BoC) or Flaherty/Harper who were “flying” based on their perception the “bubble” would continue.
*In fact, Dodge made NO MENTION of the problem until late ‘07. Eighteen months is TOO LONG A WAIT to acknowledge market realities. Remember, all this was going on against a backdrop of Enron, Tyco, Worldcom and various other fraudulent corporate entities. Add to the mix, DUBYA’s wild spending, post 9/11, and broad tax cuts. Some are estimating the US indebtedness is well in excess of $57 TRILLION, including current account debt of roughly $9 TRILLION, with the remainder comprising unfunded liabilities such as Social Security and MEDICARE, which is guaranteed for the aging population.
As a consequence, here in Canada, Flaherty and Harper have very little fiscal wiggle room beyond the gaping maw of deficit financing. That’s why I argue the $1 Billion Community Care Fund is only the drop in the bucket in terms of the displaced. Forestry and Manufacturing are two good examples.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.17.08 5:43 pm
On the other hand, politically incorrect terms — if used to poke fun at society itself — can be very funny.
Give me liberty, along with political incorrectness or GIVE ME DEATH!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vcZ9ku_wInw
Redneck, White ass
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.17.08 5:43 pm
Geez, Bill, I went looking for an example and, so far, the only one I could find was a Red Ass and White neck.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132008/news/regionalnews/they_beat_it_out_of_me_97391.htm
Like a squirrel preparing for winter.
Greg on 02.17.08 4:43 pm
The $12T and climbing sitting in cash accounts looking for an investment is setting up to bring on a very cold winter, a nuclear winter. lol, might be time to find a very deep cave to store your supply.
On the bright side the Earth should be green again in a few million years as long as the whole surface area doesn`t get sterilized as we certainly have enough nukes to do that.
Anyway if you find the report I`d appreciate it.
Cash is good but a deep cave is pulling up along side.
Dodge made NO MENTION of the problem
That’s why I argue the $1 Billion Community Care Fund is only the drop in the bucket in terms of the displaced. Forestry and Manufacturing are two good examples.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 7:03 pm
The BoC is at arms length to the gov but Dodge has been lying since 1995 when he said the loonie will crash if Quebec separates. That was the topic of an article I wrote 8 years ago.
He should have been fired right there and then.
I agree with the $1B, as a matter of fact I said that a few threads ago. To compare to the US money tree we`d have to give Cdns $15B.
I just can`t see Ottawa spending the US out of recession which technically they are not yet in. The old axiom of the US getting a cold gives us the flu will never be more true in the coming year.
If Dion’s not a leader that was one hell of a fluke that every Liberal caucus member happened to follow him out the door.
Perception is everything in politics and the Liberals are trying to convey an image of unity which almost everyone considers a fraud. Hell I even had a card carrying Liberal friend admitted as much to me last night. he also feels tha Dion is not a leader and just doesn’t have it. This is from a grass roots member. In fact I suggested that the polls would very different in Liberals favour if Iggy was leader. he also agreed. I found his position intriguing to say the least.
Harry S., we all understand that you neoCon bloggers are terrified by the prospect that Dion, while only at 15% in the polls, could still have the Liberal party at parity with Conservatives. Once the Canadian public get to know Dion for what he is…an intelligent, disciplined, ethical man… Liberal numbers will no doubt rise. LOL….jeez if you can’t kill the Liberal brand by trying to smear its leader then…OH MY GAWD….it may actually come down to policy issues. And, who knows…people may actually judge the neoCons by their sleazy actions, scandals, and lies (of which there are numerous as noted by posters on this blog).
A party is not just its leader… except of course for the Conservatives and their ego-God Harper.
There is nothing as powerful as an idea Harry….too bad Harper has not had an original one in his lifetime.
I could find was a Red Ass and White neck.
PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 7:12 pm
He said he went out because his wife kept calling him a pervert, finally he`d had enough and left, leaving her to untie herself.
Geez, Bill, I went looking for an example and, so far, the only one I could find was a Red Ass and White neck.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.17.08 7:12 pm
Well, My OH my! That would certainly do it, eh? Perfect marketying name BTW! Now, that is creative, and accurate advertising!
As the old saying goes ‘Different strokes for different folks!’ ROFLMAO!
His life was saved last Friday by a dominatrix at the Nutcracker Suite on East 33rd Street, who was assigned to check on him after her colleague left him with a dog collar around his neck and a leather mask over his face, suspended a few inches off the floor.
She realized his foot was turning blue because one of his high heels had slipped off.
Thismillustrates why it is so important to have an Image Consultant present at all times. ‘Blue foot’, eh? Hmmmmmmm?
Odd how those who are the biggest power perverts are the biggest perverts in private, eh? They miss that ‘discipline’ they never developed normally!
On the other hand, politically incorrect terms — if used to poke fun at society itself — can be very funny.
By Charles Oxley on 02.17.08 7:12 pm
Absolutely true. Nothing like a satirical comment, well placed and well timed. That is why Monty Python shall live on eternally!
‘Good morning Ma’am!’
Jon Stewart is the current Master du jour of the satire, IMHO!
Ah, while scanning over the multiplicity of choices it became apparent that Harper got the idea on the Crime Bill Before The Senate idea to nring down his own government here
But, alas, the Liberals, being realists responded by Saying!
And , returning, once again, to the enticing story of narry do, we come to understand the real conversation in the CPC Caucus Oh please Fearless Leader
and the Religious Right’s view of the Afghanistan war The Prayer!
At least we have not heard this in QP, at least not yet!
BUT, we still tune in because we want to see…
after the coming election in villages, towns, and cities across Canada we shall hear!
The Pythons covered it all. How did they know? Could it be our heritage?
Catherine: Yes, I do.
And I see you are saying using the future tense “The Cons “will” lay out their policies ” in the upcoming budget.
If you don’t know what The Cons policies are , why should you expect to know the details of the Liberals?
What do you think about that Greg?
Ah, I am enjoying the gentle rain here. It cleans the Earth and takes away the snow and ice to refiill our Great Lakes, slowly and gently. Such is the cycle of nature.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.17.08 3:20 pm
What do I think? Well, I don’t think Airry is real for one thing. If he is, then the poor soul must be suffering from fairly advanced Alzheimer’s. Besides the mood swings and multiple personalities, he keeps forgetting he said the same things over and over and over and over some more. He forgets what others have posted, confuses issues, people and has big problems following a train of thought.
When faced with facts and unsurmountable evidence, he runs away. Sadly, only to return another day.
Then comes the wild and angry outbursts, which unfortunately are common with Alzheimer’s sufferers. Then consider the amount of time he spends on just this blog and some folks indicate he posts on other blogs as well. Is that just an unhealthy obsession? Or is it more than one person?
For sure, it isn’t balanced, rational behavior. I sense the fear too. That’s another Alzheimer’s symptom that is spurned by irrational paranoia.
Lastly, to Airry and friends, imagined or otherwise, we heard you. Dion is not der Leader. Enough already. Again I say, I’m a Greenie. Kindly write it on a post-it, and stick it to your forehead. That way, when you look in the mirror to see who is looking back at you, you will see it.
By Greg on 02.18.08 7:10 am
I agree with your opinion. I do believe there are several using the HS handle. The variants between comments are too far apart in content. Either that or we have a definite MPD exemplar in HS.
As to it being the German guy’s fault, Al…somebody, that, too, is a possibility.
Did you catch the reality check on Linda Hamilton who played Sarah Connor in ‘The Terminator’s? She actually is a victim of bi-polar disorder. A very sad state to be in.
Linda Hamilton conquers disorder
After `20 years of hell on Earth’ Terminator star was finally diagnosed with bipolar disorder
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.18.08 10:21 am
I didn’t pick up on the Hamilton story. I read very little about the entertainment industry, other than politics and that’s enough choreographed blarney for me.
By Greg on 02.18.08 10:55 am
I came across it by chance. I, too, pay little attention to the entertainment industry.
I had always wondered if she was like her character in real life, and now we know…Her character was her real life.
Very seriously, that is an illness no one should have to endure. It is not only a Hell for the victim, but everyone around them. It is easily treatable with medications. They DO walk amongst us.
They DO walk amongst us.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.18.08 12:15 pm
Yes they do walk among us. The UK has the higher youth problems than any EU country. One in ten UK children have a diagnosable mental illness and guess what, they have a family court system comparable to Canada.
Seems to me Billy you attacked me on several occasions for bringing up these points and now you act concerned. What a hypocrite you are.
Seems to me Billy you attacked me on several occasions for bringing up these points and now you act concerned. What a hypocrite you are.
By got rope? on 02.18.08 1:05 pm
I have always been concerned, your constant off topic posts on the same issue were getting obnoxious.
Ever read the book ‘How To Win Friends and Influence People’? I suggest it.
But, then maybe you think your comment makes me feel obligated to be your ally regarding? You would be wrong.
Ever read the book ‘How To Win Friends and Influence People’?
Muskoka on 02.18.08 2:42 pm
Hilarious coming from baseball bat billy. Any of your friends ever survive your making friends with them, roflmao, bawaaaaahaaaahaaahahaha
That is you’re Strike Three Bud. Bye!
Muskoka on 02.18.08 2:42 pm
So your baseball bat threat didn`t work and now you`re going to run off and hide. Is that a yellow streak running down your back or did you pass out on a parking lot line?
You attacked me on my very first posts and not your lie about “constant off topic posts’.
Hilarious coming from baseball bat billy. Any of your friends ever survive your making friends with them, roflmao, bawaaaaahaaaahaaahahaha
By got rope? on 02.18.08 3:49 pm
That is you’re Strike Three Bud. Bye!
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.18.08 6:07 pm
Are we making a difference? Or are we committed to be forever beaten?
Mr. Rope, let me tell ya me Son, although you are a pretty bright boy, you, nor I have all the answers.
It’s frustrating.
Bitterness, will consume you. Ask Garth about that. No, sorry he won’t answer. He’s a politician. Ask me then, I will tell you about bitterness. I wonder if you have any idea of how ugly and how beautiful our obscure world is?
Find your sense of humor. It’s your best friend ever. It won’t leave you. It has stood by me, even in the darkest of times.
If you seek it, one day, it comes back. Like a lost friend. Or the memory of a lost Comrade.
Once upon a time, we Loved. Tomorrow, others will Love. Someday, maybe they won’t have to smell the bodies burning in order to understand.
Always Faithful. Semper Fi
By got rope? on 02.18.08 7:08 pm
Look up Rope. Your ignorance is showing!
Hasta la vista, baby! I am in the new topics. As in the PRESENT!
Look up Rope. Your ignorance is showing!
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.18.08 8:53 pm
My ignorance… I remind you that I overlooked the attacks when I recently agreed with you when you admitted you were wrong.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.18.08 8:53 pm
It’s not a question of ignorance Bill. It’s a matter of Justice and anger.
The kind of anger that makes the entirety of a human being transcend to something they never wished to be.
I remember the Thunder Bill. I remember the tears too.
BBy Greg on 02.18.08 9:48 pm
So do I, and lots of them. I empathize with Rope, and have a his best interests at heart, but he can’t see it through his seething angst.
To Rope: I have come to respect you since your return. However, if you deal with me on every comment based on what exchanges we had a year ago, then I choose not to engage in such a game.
You have pissed me off, and I you, as with others. That is the hazard of communication whether on the net or face to face. I got over it, apparently you did not. That is not my problem to deal with. It is yours.
Please read and absorb what Greg has said. he and I have also walked paths in this life that could , and have, leave us with the same feeling of no justice, no mercy, and no sense of humour.
When those moments come to me I remember the ancient Chinese proverb ‘If you sit on the bank of the river long enough you will see the body of your enemy floating by!’ Trust me, it works, because God causes all things to work together for good to those who love him and are called according to his purposes. Romans 8:28-31 One of the most agonizing lessons any of us learn in this confusing life.
I haven’t seen it fail yet.
Like I said, I am done in this topic. Life moves on, or you stagnate and die in your own self-inflicted misery. Don’t do it. Go out inhale deeply the fresh air, close your eyes and bask in the sun’s warmth. I do regularly, especially when old thoughts arise. Trust me, you are not even close to being alone in your experiences. But I learned, as has Greg, that beating one’s head against the wall accomplishes nothing, but a headache. Granted it does feel really good when you stop! LOL
Pretty much like watching QP and expecting, hoping, day after insulting day, to hear something akin to mature, responsible, and intelligent exchanges between the parties. Ain’t happened yet, so why bother to subject yourself to the same punishment day after day?
Rope, if you don’t know it, learn the Serenity Prayer…it is applicable to most of life’s experiences.
It’s a matter of Justice and anger.
By Greg on 02.18.08 9:48 pm
It is a matter of justice Greg, I simply put out the facts. Some readers get angry about the truth and lash out. The anger really comes out when they can`t use the info to bash the opposition but that`s their problem because the only side I`m on is the childrens.
It’s a matter of Justice and anger.
By Greg on 02.18.08 9:48 pm
Speaking of justice I was looking at crime rates. The total number of assaults is about 20% of all crime but it`s not broken down to domestic and other. It seems the OPP is exaggerating the time they spend on domestic calls by 60%.
Billy
I don`t have a problem with you or any other trolls on this page because I don`t put out the facts just for you. If you wern`t so self centered and egotistical you`d see yourself for who you really are and that`s your problem.
As far as defending your position on issues I bring up, it is very obvious you are a paid troll intent on making the Green Party look stupid. I don`t think the Libs have enough motive or cash until the carbon trading scam kicks in so it must be the NDP who are the principle political supporters of abusing children for profit. Jack should give you a raise.
You are my MP in halton. I ask again, what good are your meetings in Oxford or all the meetings you’ve had out wes helping the people in Halton
I’ve had 30 Town Hall meetings in Halton in the past 13 months. How many has your MP convened? — Garth
By smoker on 02.16.08 4:18 pm
Did you have a point, or is this just a bad day? — Garth
Jack should give you a raise.
By got rope? on 02.19.08 10:56 am
Call him and tell him. He will say ‘WHO?’ I am not a Dipper. Never have been, and probably never will be.. Man, where do you get your labels from?
I state MY opinions, not anyone else’s, or any party’s. They are MY opinions solely, unless properly credited to the source.
Have a nice day Rope!
Have a nice day Rope!
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.19.08 5:23 pm
lol, and I was thinking you`re one of the few that fathoms my sense of humour which is a Cdn trademark I proudly hold dear.
Trademark Cdn humour requires a thin thread of truth wrapped with layer after layer of the absurd. Welcome to Canada billy.
Trademark Cdn humour requires a thin thread of truth wrapped with layer after layer of the absurd. Welcome to Canada billy.
By got rope? on 02.19.08 6:08 pm
I have had the pleasure of living all over Canada…Marvelous country. what part are you from? I have found most Canadians to be forthright in their humour and comments. Absurd was a good word choice BTW?
Marvelous country. what part are you from?
Muskoka on 02.19.08 7:34 pm
Great country, no where in the world like the west coast on a summer day or a winter storm.
Born in the east raised in the west.
I was thinking of writing a bio in case my kids might one day want to know about me. I`ll send you a link if I do.
btw billy I should warn you on the dangers of Cdn humour. After the chuckling while peeling off the layers of absurdity and getting to the thread off truth you shrug your shoulders, slap your forehead saying `I should have know`.
That thin thread of truth is worth getting to so you`ve probably noticed quite a few Cdns with sloping shoulders and a receding hairline.
That thin thread of truth is worth getting to so you`ve probably noticed quite a few Cdns with sloping shoulders and a receding hairline.
By got rope? on 02.20.08 2:20 am
YEP! And flat foreheads. LOL
My point is in the question I asked you and I get your usual evasive reply
You are my MP in halton. I ask again, what good are your meetings in Oxford or all the meetings you’ve had out wes helping the people in Halton
Did you have a point, or is this just a bad day? — Garth
By smoker on 02.19.08 3:21 pm
I didn’t see you last night. Maybe this evening in Milton? Tomorrow night in Burlington? Don’t criticize me for trying to help Canadians in many areas, if you will not participate in your own back yard. — Garth
I didn’t see you last night. Maybe this evening in Milton? Tomorrow night in Burlington? Don’t criticize me for trying to help Canadians in many areas, if you will not participate in your own back yard. — Garth
By smoker on 02.20.08 10:58 am
I’ve been to a number of your meetings and found them to be a waste of time. If I or anyone asked a question you didn’t like they were either chastized, given a sarcastic answer, humiliated or shut down.
So participating in my own back yard should reflect freedom of speach and honest straight forward answers to questions which was not my experience.
Sorry, I couldn’t hear you for the feathers. — Garth
You just proved my point.
Sorry, I couldn’t hear you for the feathers. — Garth
By smoker on 02.21.08 10:42 am