As Joe Clark once said, or perhaps thought, or is ascribed to have thought, or maybe whispered to Maureen, or reflected upon as he watched in horror as his beloved Progressive Conservative brand was usurped, corrupted, twisted and recast in Reform green by a devious and uncaring Stephen Harper, a luxury of being in politics is being able to see yourself as others see you.
Profound, actually. Standing for office apparently gives anyone license to make a value judgment on your character, your words – however spontaneous or careless, and your life. Thus, a Belinda Stronach, Svend Robinson, Stephane Dion or Stephen Harper, like me, becomes a public icon. Anyone can then say anything with impunity, since you have stopped being a person and morphed into a thing. That’s what makes it all so interesting. People become brands. So when local Conservatives in my area call me a fag or put a picture of my house on their web site, it’s personal and objectified at the same time. When some poster here calls Dion a rat or Harper a nazi (despite my delete button), they’re committing the same act.
This is complicated by the human proclivity to believe the worst about everyone else. We are an uncharitable bunch, and our media age has made celebrities – whether 14-year-old baby pop stars or 60-year-old legislators – more accessible and vulnerable than ever. I guess it means if you harbour the desire to be an MP or a PM, best get used to what Joe Clark observed, and hope nobody discovers your DUI charge, or that special weekend in Lethbridge.
Never heard Clark complain about it, even when cartoonists portrayed him with mittens he constantly tripped over or speaking incoherently. Truth be known, he’s now a prophet.
Such thoughts appeared when I read two articles mentioning me in this weekend’s press. They were both written by people who had not interviewed me and one of whom, Robert Fulford, I’ve never met in my life. Fortunately for him, he has Wikipedia and an opinion. What else does one need?
Preaching the dogma of dependency, is the way Mr. Fulford sees my transformation into “automatic, unthinking arrogance.”
Should we stay or should we go?, contains the opinion of Parliament Hill journalist Stephen Maher that I will “likely win my seat in the next election,” and why.
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Hey buddy, can you spare a dime?….. $1.4 billion?
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/02/hey-buddy-can-you-spare-dime-14-billion.html
communicating with his constituents…
Mr. Harper booted him out of caucus after less than a year of that nonsense.
So Stephen Maher thinks communicating with constituents is nonsense. I’d be willing to bet him that the constituents of Halton will disagree come election time.
I think Mr. Maher had his tongue firmly in his cheek. — Garth
Thanks for the links, both articles pointless, but goes to show the huge ‘make work project’ for otherwise unemployable conservatives. I shall return now to relevent press stories, BLOGS!
Acording to Fulford we may as well not have ANY government polocy on forigen trade as we are entirely dependent upon “the financial health of other countries” and “technological change”.
He says “If an auto worker fears unemployment because foreign cars are cheaper, can the government fix that? No. Passing high tariffs against Korean cars, for instance, would be impossible without destroying the trade policy Canada has pursued, with great success, for generations. In most cases, our economy depends heavily on the financial health of other countries, especially the U.S. It also evolves according to technological change, not government decisions.”
Sorry, I dont buy it!
Mr. Turner, for instance, was elected in 2006 as a Conservative. A headline-seeking maverick, he turned his Parliament Hill office into a post-modern media shop, communicating with his constituents with a lively blog and an online TV show.
Mr. Harper booted him out of caucus after less than a year of that nonsense.
Garth, it is not hard to see what the MSM think of you. You are a bad boy for communicating with your voters yourself and not through the MSM like everybody else.
They and their owners want to “Con”-trol what we the public are fed so as to maintain their power.
You scare the hell out of them.
Again I say: You bad boy!
DON”T STOP!
Unfortunately Mr Maher has been reading this blog too closely.
Telling tales out of causus doesn’t qualify as what we expect in terms of communicating with constituents.
Could you give us an example please? Or is innuendo enough? — Garth
Garth,good column. Unfortunately the media too often paint a politician’s protrait in caricture rather than in character.
Otherwise politicians wouldn’t need image coaches, speech writers, & teams of staff to make sure their ‘image’ sells.
Mainstream media today produces ‘condensed & censored stories’ not ‘real news’, which unfortunately, whether for good or bad, enhances or destroys real people & real politicians too.
Yours is not an easy job.
In 2006 he returned to Parliament as a Stephen Harper Conservative but was invited to leave the Tory caucus after some unpleasantness about revealing party secrets.
WOW what a crock of shit
“but was invited to leave the Tory caucus” Oh I guess this means you were thrown out,… being turfed is now an invitation, like you were given a choice in the matter.
And why???
“after some unpleasantness about revealing party secrets” Hey we are still waiting to hear what ubber ultra secret shit you blabbed about Garth.
Christ what a lying sack of shit Robert Fulford is. Frankly I am amazed he managed to let the little truth about you sitting as an Indy escape, he should have stuck with the CPC party line that you crossed the floor to Liberals by choice.
You look just fine to us Garth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcRrFdKnd8
Astudent of opinion should listen with the greatest care to whatever is spoken carelessly, Robert Fulford -end quote
Did you really listen? Tis always best to take one’s own advice.
Earth to Stephen Maher – hows the air way up there?
A couple more losers hired by the PMO to feed horse pucks to the unwashed.
Just read this in an article in CNN about John Grisham. He says:
“I think what the Republicans have done in past elections is brilliant. Because, they’ve convinced a lot of people to vote for them against their own economic self-interest, and they’ve done that by skillfully manipulating a handful of social issues, primarily abortion and gay rights and sometimes gun control,” he says. “And the Republicans have used those to scare a lot of people into voting for Republican candidates. It’s skillful manipulation.”
I wonder what pupil Harper will come up with during the next election to hypnotize the Cndian Voters.
Email sent to Mr. Maher
Re: Garth Turner – “Mr. Harper booted him out of caucus after less than a year of that nonsense”
Nonsense, Mr. Maher? We didn’t know you were a comedy writer for the National Post!
Although we have and intend to continue to voting Green, we also visit Garth Turner’s online blog almost every day. What is wrong with an MP maintaining such a high level of availability and communication with Canadians on a daily basis? Garth Turner sets the example all other MP’s could learn from!
But then again, maybe you agree with Steve Harper’s actions that once an MP is elected, constituents should just shut up and let the dictator, er leader rule. He certainly seems to apply this attitude towards his own MP’s like ours, Mr. Dean Allison.
Well Garth, keep on trucking, as if there were any possibility of you giving up.
Fulford is preaching the politics of governmental impotence/irrelevance and talking through his Conservative hat, and what Maher labels “that nonsense” is the spearhead of digital democracy.
Having pressed the flesh, looked into the eyes, and exchanged opinions with you, I can assure you and anyone else who wants to know that the Garth is all right (just in case you feel obliged to doubt yourself.)
That’s what makes it all so interesting. People become brands. So when local Conservatives in my area call me a fag or put a picture of my house on their web site, it’s personal and objectified at the same time. When some poster here calls Dion a rat or Harper a nazi (despite my delete button), they’re committing the same act. – Garth.
Not quite.
As I mentioned, earlier in the week I passed my beloved (not) MP in the store. He has a right, as does any other individual, to his privacy. In that respect, unless you’re committng some unlawful act in your house, and being an opposition MP doesn’t qualify, then it should be off limits and the sites showing it should remove it.
Now there was a case of a Labour MP in the UK. who would make out that he was a working class guy by driving his old clapped out Morris Mini (pre. BMW mini) to the office. He was caught doing a vehicle switch to a Rolls Royce/Bentley. With today’s technology, that would be worth of a web exposee.
However, distasteful as it may be, name calling is part of the political game. IMHO, those doing the name calling without justifying it, including calling someone a liar, only bring condemnation and ridicule on the themselves. This includes doing so on blogs such as this and in the HoC.
Given that Harper is a control freak and Turner is an “attention-seeking maverick” it probably isn’t a surprise that things didn’t work out. Possibly a little more concern for behaving like an adult would be appreciated in our “leaders”. In any case Fulford, like Duffy, has been watching, and writing about, Canadian politics for decades so someone thinks they’re credible.
Garth you sound a bit depressed?
If so check out the Liblogs site “liberal arts and minds” for yesterdays post. I almost peed myself it was so funny!! If this is how the Conservatives are going to fight the next election your party has an easy time of it!!!
We all know that Stephen Harper put the DIGIT to Garth’s digital democracy effort back in 06. Harper is not a leader as leaders take personal responsibility Coaches like Harper manipulate the minutes played by his MPs and the message they can speak.
This is not Conservative this is Republican manipulation north of the border with Harper leading his Clown Team.Harper is not a leader he is a messenger.
CRAP CON CAUGHT ON TV
Just saw an interview with the Industry Minister on CTV followed by McCallum who basically called The Minister a liar. Hats off to McCallum who nailed the CRAP CONS for trying to take credit for the current government surplus and saying Dion will bankrupt the country with recent spending promises. The CRAP are at this point so constipated and itchy that no liberal dressing of Preparation Harper will ever make me believe another CRAP promise. Yes folks…remember no Tax on Income Trusts and future Capital Gains tax Deferral? Get the DRAINO out now and clear the CRAP out!
Garth – speaking about elections – WE ARE NOT in one yet – this bash and trash book about Dion’s promises and costs that’s been printed up by the CPC (they’re running all over the media via Jim Prentice about it) – who is paying for this?
I know Harper likes to spend other peoples’ money and hoard his own (party’s koffers) – so, is it taxpayer dollars paying for this?
This mornings poll asked in part should our goverment pursue American economic interest or world international interests, seems most felt the later. Pehaps more younger people are really reading via the web sites. So sharpen your pencil Garth, one only has to look south to see what cqah happen when a young bright politician looks outside the Washington bubble and talks of peace and hope. The young will be taking care of business soon as we ode farts sit back as they have a say in the thier future. So let those who speak of doom and gloom while beating the drums of the Winds of War do so at their own fate. Perhaps Stephane is no a Churchill or a Kenedy but he does stand tall, and fears not the Bully (s) who care not to speak of a good future. Our new generation cares not of yesterdays crappy past on the table by PMSH & co followed with many broken promises. hmmmm election time just might be a good chance for change.
The Conservatives have already started the “fear” tactics. Today Jim Prentice is launching an attack on M. Dion’s promises and how much THEY estimate these promises will cost! Something over $90 billion according to them. Interesting that Jim Prentice is leading this attack. I guess they didn’t want to leave Mr. Flaherty open to questions about the huge deficit he left Ontario after the Mike Harris debacle.
Garth …. It’s obvious that you were never a true New Conservative. You were a ‘Red Tory’ who for some reason joined the New Conservative party, trying to remould it in your naive image.
Why did you join the New Conservatives, when others from the old Progressive Conservative party rejected it ???
What initially attracted you to the New Conservative party, other than having a political home and access to campaign funding which we know you dearly cherish???
Forget about who kicked out whom, and just explain your own decision making when you joyfully joined the New Conservative party. Perhaps you have explained it elsewhere on this fine weblog, but I think you should repeat your explanations as we approach the next election, and the stuff you are saying in this weblog entry too. Thanks.
Wow, Garth! You got Gable’s attention. You must be a threat to his right-of-centre soul.
And you weren’t kicked out of the Conservatives. The Conservatives were kicked out of the CRAP party by Harper and his like-minded buddies. Remember that promise made by McKay to David Orchard, that he wouldn’t join with the Reform if Orchard backed him for leadership of the PC’s?
Forgotten like last year’s snow. Shows you what a new Con promise is worth.
Elections Canada to investigate anti-Kyoto group
Mike De Souza , Canwest News Service
Published: Sunday, February 17, 2008
OTTAWA — Canada’s chief electoral officer has been asked to investigate a series of radio ads, funded by an Alberta-based global warming skeptics group, which targeted key markets in vote-rich Ontario during the 2006 federal election.
The ads, which questioned the previous Liberal government’s climate change spending and initiatives, aired in five major Ontario markets and were financed through an elaborate system which allowed $200,000 to flow from a 53-year-old charity into a trust account at the University of Calgary. The account was then used by an anti-Kyoto Protocol group called the Friends of Science.
The group was formed a few years ago in Alberta by academics and former oil industry insiders, among others, to challenge Canada’s participation in the international Kyoto Protocol, a climate change agreement, and to cast doubt on peer-reviewed research that suggests human activity is causing dangerous changes to the climate and irreversible damage to the earth’s ecosystems.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=b2307acc-cc2a-42dc-b562-3ed737847a4d&k=81087
Harper hones his good-cop, bad-cop routine
Andrew Mayeda , Canwest News Service
Published: Sunday, February 17, 2008
OTTAWA — It has been a puzzling few weeks for those who pass their time divining the stratagems of Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
One day, he was adding another snare to the elaborate set of election traps he has laid for Liberal Leader Stephane Dion.
But there he was last week, striking a statesmanlike pose in the House of Commons foyer as he lauded the shift in Dion’s position on Afghanistan.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=6fd4415f-19f9-4cdc-8d55-e745d23aa9cf&k=12249
An election? Let’s start at the sty!
http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/2008021605211220
Today’s Dilbert strip gives a much clearer understanding of what people such as Michael Chong, Bill Casey and Garth have to deal with, and why they are no longer members of CRAP.
We are far better citizens of Canada for their respective choices!
http://www.dilbert.com/
If cartoonists, editors and others continually take pot shots at you Garth, then obviously you and others are now under under CRAP’s skin, and they don’t like it one bit.
“Truth be known, he’s now a prophet.”
I remember Clark as being a courteous, fairly civil-minded person, unlike the arrogant, power-grabbing SOBs who presently hold power (not for long, now).
Clark, Kim Campbell, Jimmy Carter — all would have made good leaders, given a chance.
80 plus people killed at a dog fight event in Kandahar Afghanistan, good to see PMSH & Peter MacKay’s words of building a better country will be debated this week….perhaps if we police these events these things would not happen, or more millions in aid money? Read for yourself:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080217.wafghanbomb0217/CommentStory/International/home
Garth … Do you believe in ‘dependency on government’..??
As a ‘red tory’, I thought of you as a social liberal but a fiscal conservative.
Have you gone over to the Dark Side of liberalism that would make the entire Canadian population dependent on a perpetual Liberal government ???
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m41233&hd=&size=1&l=e
Thanks Irwin.
Aye, there’s the rub eh?
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/tax.htm
Should we stay or should we go?
LETTER FROM OTTAWA STEPHEN MAHER
The Chronicle Herald – Sat. Feb 16
Few Liberals seem to have faith that Mr. Dion will win the next election. That perceived weakness makes him truly weak — there is little reason to fear a fellow who you don’t think will be able to reward or punish you one day. This weakness in Mr. Dion’s relationship with his caucus is the likeliest explanation for the Liberals’ contortions over Afghanistan last week.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Columnists/1038526.html
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So, Garth … If this is the consensus view in the Liberal party, why would you be calling for a snap Spring election, and so advising Dion and the Liberal caucus??
Surely your mockery of your timid Liberal colleagues is not earning you many friends in the Liberal caucus when you publicly state:
“There are some of my colleagues who would rather have their kidneys harvested without anesthetic than go to an election,” he said after the Liberal caucus met Wednesday.
If your Liberal colleagues don’t support your’s and Dion’s call for an election over the Spring Budget, surely that will end your political career within the Liberal party. I assume you will step down as Liberal MP for Halton if that comes to pass.
Bet this guy did’nt have a ‘legal right to exist’!!!
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/02/06/ot-von-kruedener-080206.html?ref=rss
Is this the same Nazi Mulroney and the PC party of Canada where dealing with? Tsk Tsk Tsk
http://hubpages.com/hub/Its_now_official_the_Bush_family_wealth_is_linked_to_the_Jewish_Holocaust
Had a simular problem here in Canada with a yankee loudmouth.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/12/content_7592312.htm
If the $90 billion claim made by Prentice is incorrect it’d be a no-brainer for the Libs to prove otherwise, right? Have they? Keep in mind that their childcare plan alone is estimated to cost somewhere in the area of $10 billion/year if fully developed.
Doesn’t take long to rack up big numbers at that rate.
However, distasteful as it may be, name calling is part of the political game. IMHO, those doing the name calling without justifying it, including calling someone a liar, only bring condemnation and ridicule on the themselves. This includes doing so on blogs such as this and in the HoC.
By James- Chatham on 02.17.08 12:38 pm
But James, What else is it when The man stands up and says before the world “I will not tax your I.Ts.” and proceeds to do JUST that.
Doesn’t that define a lie, To say one thing and do just the opposite?
If you can explain that one away, You have a great future as a Neo-Con. spin doctor.
It`s time you (Harry S) stopped accusing people of what you`re doing, it makes you look stupider than believing the next election will make a difference, ever will.
By got rope? on 02.17.08 11:59 am
Hear hear!
Although I am not familiar with US politics, I googled Harry S. Truman, a democrat (left of centre) president.
Apparently Truman was left to clean up a pile of CRAP that the prior administration left behind. Sound familiar?
http://tinyurl.com/42awk
Garth …. It’s obvious that you were never a true New Conservative. You were a ‘Red Tory’ who for some reason joined the New Conservative party, trying to remould it in your naive image.
Why did you join the New Conservatives, when others from the old Progressive Conservative party rejected it ???
What initially attracted you to the New Conservative party, other than having a political home and access to campaign funding which we know you dearly cherish???
Forget about who kicked out whom, and just explain your own decision making when you joyfully joined the New Conservative party. Perhaps you have explained it elsewhere on this fine weblog, but I think you should repeat your explanations as we approach the next election, and the stuff you are saying in this weblog entry too. Thanks.
By Harry S on 02.17.08 1:49 pm
WOW, breaking news people, there’s a New Conservative Party of Canada (NCPoC) now, I guess the CPC has folded up shop!
Ok,, ok, Harry,… I stop making fun of you,… as to your question, Garth has answered this Question at least half a dozen times, and has been very clear why he joined the CPC and Harper. Now get off your lazy ass and do a little bit research and reading, instead of demanding Garth spoon feed you all the answers.
Robert Fulford says depending on government was taught to us by the Liberals while presiding over the decline and fall of individualism in every aspect of politics and commerce.
Mr. Fulford seems to be lost in the neo-conservatism doublespeak of today. It seems to me that the neo-cons have presided over the rise of the elite, negating any need for the rights of the individual. i.e. his own divine right to absolute rule, the manipulation of the Wheat Board etc. Where has he been?
He also says politicians discover our fears and make promises to make laws that will improve the conditions that worry us. Does he mean like security certificates to ease our fear of the terrorists, people of different faiths, and putting more focus on jailing people than trying to wipe out the conditions that predispose people to fall into anti-social behaviour? Has he been watching what has been going on this past few years?
Sometimes, journalists just have to write something unthinking that, perhaps, conversion can be motivated by a measure of integrity.
“his own divine right” in the previous post obviously refers to Mr. Harper.
Oh Gawd on a Sunday Harry, what on the green earth is a ‘New Conservative’?
Would that be neo con? Some bastardization of Harper’s New Government and Conservative?
All this time I thought Harper’s party was CPC. Tell it like it is, for once, Harry.
What initially attracted you to the New Conservative party, other than having a political home and access to campaign funding which we know you dearly cherish???
By Harry 1:49 PM
Do the New Conservatives who stay in that political home have access to campaign funding now Harry?
If I recall, Mr. Turner left quite a tidy (and accountable) sum in the coffers of the New Conservative party.
Let’s hope Harry chokes on Harper’s sock stuffed in his mouth. Let the cat out of the bag did you Harry?
New Conservative Party. Who’s in charge of that? When did you find out? Is this the first time you ratted them out? Who all knows about this up and coming political party in Canada? Just you, or did your mouth run ahead of your brain too far this time? Do you expect any repercussions from the New Conservative party? If not, why not? Remember to show your work.
By wd on 02.17.08 3:09 pm
By wd on 02.17.08 3:34 pm
Nice links, WD! Pretty much says it all for the present state of this world, eh?
Garth …. It’s obvious that you were never a true New Conservative. You were a ‘Red Tory’ who for some reason joined the New Conservative party, trying to remould it in your naive image.
Why did you join the New Conservatives, when others from the old Progressive Conservative party rejected it ???
What initially attracted you to the New Conservative party, other than having a political home and access to campaign funding which we know you dearly cherish???
Forget about who kicked out whom, and just explain your own decision making when you joyfully joined the New Conservative party.
By Harry S on 02.17.08 1:49 pm
The Spurned Lover cries out! Why? Oh Why did you ever leave me?
You said you were true,
But you made Blue
I even warned you too…
Don’t ever leave me, or I will find you!!!
It’s the PROGRESSIVE in Garth that Drives the Neo CONS NUTZ. What I think alot of people are failing to see what’s happening in the USA is a Progressive movement that’s really sweeping the Nation. And they are Moderates from the Left and the Right who are mostly Independents.
The Pollsters seem to be leaving the Youth Vote out of the equation.Most College coeds live by thier Cell Phones and from Dion’s Friend’s list on Facebook he’s attracted alot of Young Voters. He also tries to take time to answer thier questions on video.Dion has been ahead of the Curve and like Garth has given the impression of Aproachiblity,if not in Person at least by trying to answer You personally even if it’s only over the WEB,it still shows me they at least take the Time to answer the “SANE” questions.Garth also has a great wit and is able to laugh at himself.I like to tell people “Take a Joke for Christ’s sake You’re Mother Did”.That’s the problem with these “NEW” CONservatives they just can’t take a JOKE.
I Didn’t vote for Garth last time because of Harper,but he gets my vote this time because Now I can Vote for a Progressive .I don’t have to always agree with Garth,but I know I agree with most of his Values and None of Harper’s. The CONservatives will never ever get my Vote again.I will Vote for a “RED” Tory though.LMAO
The plot thickens …
Dion and Garth lead the hawks.
Rae and Ignatieff lead the doves.
Jean Lapierre sez that Chretien advised Dion to pull the trigger on the budget link
Now Kinsella sez “Anyway, like I say: consider the source. Jean Lapierre may know many things. But knowing what Jean Chretien and Jean Pelletier think ain’t one of them.”
link
They are waiting to see what their american overlords will say first.
Ottawa ’still considering’ position on Kosovo
Feb 17, 2008 05:49 PM
Merita Ilo
THE CANADIAN PRESS
Thousands of jubilant Albanian-Canadians braved sub-freezing temperatures today to celebrate the newly declared independence of their homeland, Kosovo, calling on the Conservative government to recognize Europe’s youngest state.
Kosovo’s parliament declared the territory’s independence from Serbia on Sunday in a historic move backed by the United States and a number of European countries. But Serbia immediately denounced the declaration as illegal, and Russia also rejected it, demanding an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.
Ottawa has not taken a position on the Kosovo issue and a spokesman for the Department of Foreign Affairs said Sunday “the government is still considering a decision.”
Political experts say similarities between Kosovo’s drive for independence and Quebec’s separatist movement are behind the government’s reluctance to recognize the former Serbian province’s independence without a United Nations approval
Hi W.D.,ON, Thanks for the links
Dion and Garth lead the hawks.
Rae and Ignatieff lead the doves.
By Calgary Junkie on 02.17.08 5:46 pm
In any fight between hawks and doves, there is only one winner.
Good money is on the hawks!
“Dion and Garth lead the hawks”!?
Given that Turner changes his position on the timing of an election on a near weekly basis I’d hope Dion puts a bit more thought into the issue.
I’m not sure Garth carries quite the same weight in the debate as do Dion, Rae or Ignatieff.
Who is the Lender of Last Resort?
Q: What do you call a rogue trader that makes money for their employer?
A: Employee of the month.
Q: What do you call a financial institution that takes questionable risks for huge returns and then has unsustainable losses when circumstances change?
A: A Nationalized Treasure subsidized by the taxpayers.
Taxpayers are subsidising the bank in loans and guarantees to other lenders totalling £55bn.
Northern Rock Bank to be Nationalized.
As a taxpayer, how do you feel about having to be stuck with the debts of a failed private enterprise? How do you feel when Bonds are split and a vulture graps the wheat and the taxpayer is left with the chaff?
Should the Bank of Canada be accepting collateral outsdide its mandate in return for loans?
An interesting report on the Tar Sands.
http://tinyurl.com/2dufhe
The gloves are off — NOW we’re heading into a free-for-all!
I wuz hoping this could wait until the soccer season in Europe was over; who knows, mebbe I’ll get lucky!
http://tinyurl.com/256p6f
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
Thank you for trying to be the best MP you can be. Your are only human, and we all have better and worse days.
You must find parts of an MP’s job interesting, worthwile, important, and sometime fun to keep at it.
(Or deep down your a bit of a massacist?)
Personally I’m glade you use your delete button on some of my posts, some of the time. I don’t mind, after I give it some thought and time. Even I have a bad day and go way over the top.
(There is probable one or two people out there that find most of my post way over the top.)
Keep up the great work lisening and trying to do what is best for everyones best interest as you are able.
By keeping and open ear and mind,
using your critical-thought you may find a better way today for tomorrow.
Try to stay happy. It rained in south Halton today, but that ment no snow to shovel
I’m hope to get out to one of your TownHall meetings next week.
I’ll have a check for the Dion Liberals to give to you or Ester. I’m looking forward to hearing what others have to say to you about what ever is on there minds!
Thankyou again for trying to be the best MP you can be for everyone.
I also know you get great help from Ester and your other staff.
Please send them my thanks, for there efforts in trying to make things better for everyone as they can.
Garth…it’s easy for Fulford and Maher to criticize from their safe little cubicles…neither one has got the guts to run for public office.
It’s a thankless job that you do! IMHO MP’s are grossly underpaid for their commitment of time and effort (at least MP’s like you) – our MP (Allison) is seldom see or heard from – just another Harper lapdog.
It seems that as humanity deteriorates further into war and its effects on individuals, so too, the US economic decline — and thus, the western world’s — parallels the descent.
http://tinyurl.com/3yduhr
Astudent of opinion?
A couple more losers hired by the PMO to feed horse pucks to the unwashed.
By Emilie on 02.17.08 12:02 pm
Off, how such a pro as Fulford could have such a typo in print? I first read it as ‘Astringent!’
Which is pretty much what Fulford did in his column with the truth.
Do you tink eet is easy to to get rid of CRAP?
I do….bring on the election!!!
New Conservative party?
Ah, easy to explain.
The ‘New Conservative Party’ is NOT new, yet it is (in their own minds. Evidence still pending they have any).
It is a bunch of Power Hungry PUNKS, who took the benefits (albeit damn few) of the former Progressive Conservative Party, added in the Reform and Alliance moronic Rednecks, and claimed everything was new.
Follow so far?
Their mantra is that they have never done anything worng, because they are ‘new’, and have no resposnibility for mistakes made by the former PC Party, and especially Lyin’ Brian Mulroney.
They live in the past, their present is the past, and they have no vision for the future. Their goal is to maintain the past despite the fact that it has passed. They are like a HUGE beer fart hung up inside themselves screaming to asscape.
Follow along now.
The Liberal Party is the current Progressive Conservatives with far more social conscience. They accept the past, have dealt with both its positives and negatives, and have a vision for the future, firmly grounded in the realities of the present.
Hence, the ‘New Conservative Party’ is NOT new, not anything Canadians have striven for. It is a throwback, that makes us want to throw up. They still think Canadians are sheeple easy to lie to and manipulate. They are the Flim-Flam Party. They are the Rethuglican Far Right in Canada.
Call out Laura, send a messenger to General Brock, and Get a ROPE!
We are facing an invasion by Exxon-Mobil disguised as the CPC, aka, ‘New Conservative Party.’
Off topic but still interesting. I bought a Strawberry-Rhubarb pie yesterday. It lists strawberries and rhubarb seperately. LOL HA!.
You know what I like to do when someone gives me the finger in traffic?
Wave and smile, when I pull up next to them at the next red light.
Try it. It’s kinda fun.
-Cheryl
Completely off topic I know but…
“U.S., Canada agree to help each other in emergencies”
http://www.gazette.com/articles/canada_33260___article.html/military_plan.html
Bill-Muskoka, how did this one slip under my RADAR?
According to this, Russia is somewhat more prepared than the west is.
http://tinyurl.com/2eobnh
Only interesting, because dubya practically guarantees an attack on US soil. No one else has — only dubya.
Does anyone smell martial law?
http://tinyurl.com/2lpdka
I’ll be with you and the liberals!
The pit bull bullies are not my ‘cup of tea’!
Gue’sera sera. whatever will be will be! the futures not ours to see, gue’ sera’ sera!
I’m with the liberals this time around. thanks Garth!
By Calgary Junkie on 02.17.08 5:46 pm
Of course Stephane Dion would listen to Jean Chretien. Jean Chretien was and is Stephane Dion’s mentor!
Hey Garth, do you really have a cystall ball and wear a funny hat? Your ode pal Jim “P” is yapping off in this mornings G&M that Dion promises are 62.5 million. Perhaps you can send him a calculator, or better still how about all his tax cuts, I hope he has pot hole insurance and wears a hard hat when he drives under a bridge? I dove down the Eastern shore yesterday and my bones are still shaking from all the bumps de bumps. In any rate guess nothing changers, all CPC can do is sing the ode song all over again “Yesterday News”……….
By A.R.Wainwright on 02.17.08 3:51 pm
Read my post carefully. In calling PMSH and Flaherty liars over the IT flip-flop, do you have justification?
I will answer, yes. As I prefer to call a spade a spade, the term liar would be applicable as neither have produced evidence, save a multitude of blacked out pages, to justify their flip-flop.
If they had provided evidence why they needed to flip, then the debate would not be so cut and dried.
If you can explain that one away, You have a great future as a Neo-Con. spin doctor.
By A.R.Wainwright on 02.17.08 3:51 pm
Apology accepted!
Northern Rock Bank to be Nationalized.
By Pecked to Death by Ducks on 02.17.08 7:15 pm
This brings a few questions to mind.
1st What is an insolvent bank worth?
2nd How does Communism fit within the geopolitical structure of Great Britain?
3rd Could average Citizens hope for equal treatment?
4th How did we get here, from there?
I noticed that someone named Ann Godbehere has been named as chief financial officer for Northern Rock.
God be here? I guess they will try anything.
Yeah, right.
So now that the Cons have spent the cash in the bank, if they lose the election a deficit it will be Liberal fault?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080218.welection18/BNStory/National/home
For those of you who think Harper has “bought the Bloc”…
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080218.welectionbloc18/BNStory/National/home
Happy Family Day Garth
I hope you get t spend some time with your family this day. I had a chance to meet both you and your lovely wife when you were on your western summer tour. Thanks Garth for the opportunity to be heard in some small way and give voice to my feelings and passions about my country Canada. Today as as I celebrate family I include you and your team in Halton. My thoughts and prayers are with you today and always.
Salut bonjour mon amis’
God be here? I guess they will try anything.
By Greg on 02.18.08 8:05 am
They’re British for goodness sakes! Sir Richard isn’t complaining.
‘Conspiracy of silence’ on tarsands, group says
Updated Fri. Feb. 15 2008 9:14 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
A new report accuses the federal government of allowing Alberta’s tarsands to become “the most destructive project on earth”.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080215/tarsands_enviroreport_080215/20080215?hub=SciTech
I hadn’t noticed if this link was posted Friday on another thread. Anyone seen Baird lately?
Let’s hope Canadians keep the environment a top issue in this election, and not be distracted by Harper’s twisted lies.
As regards the CON claim that the Liberals will put us into deficit, I just lost the last shred of respect I had for Jim Prentice while watching him on QP Sunday. I’ll be calling his riding office to find out if Canadian taxpayer dollars paid for their campaign lies in this book he’s waving around.
Wonder why Flaherty isn’t out there spouting this CRAP? Too much of it can be flung back at him, I guess, and he won’t have answers to hard questions about his own record, questions even Jane Taber wouldn’t be able to avoid asking.
Just when you think they’ve sunk to the bottom, they reach a new low in insulting the intelligence of Canadians. Pitiful.
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
On CPAC rebroadcast of Sentate Feb. 11
The Special Commitie on Anti-terrorism act
Bill C-3
Witness Salam Elmenyawi, Muslim Council of Montreal
He makes great points regarding this Bill C-3.
My parafrasing, It’s a very BAD bill!
It’s another BAD Bill from ‘Harper’ that takes away peoples rights and protection from state abuse.
If they can do it to ‘them’ they can do it to you and your family!
I hope this Bill C-3 dies!
I hope we get to vote Harper and his gang out soon!
Brammer,
I thought I had fallen through the looking glass when I read your 10:43 PM this morning, but on reflection think it is only a case of sloppy writing.
Armed Forces do not sign international agreements; they sign international plans. Sovereign governments reach “agreements”, armed forces produce and sign “plans” pursuant to such agreements. Without an agreement, even if only in principle, between Washington and Ottawa at the political level, US and Canadian Forces would not prepare and approve joint plans.
I see no problem in the armed forces of friends and neighbours planning to assist each other’s governments in civil emergencies. We have been doing mutual assistance in minor emergencies practically forever, with due government involvement in individual cases. The change is that now there is “a unique, bilateral military plan” to do so and thus include anticipated requirements in national plans and preparations.
The reporter should have emphasized that element.
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
I’m glad Canada has the Senate to protect us all from bad laws, badly writen laws, and bad PM and there gang Governments. Being a ’sheepel’ will only hurt yourself and your family
eventually.
Should there be a test to see if people running for office are critical-thinkers and not sociopates?
If I recall, Mr. Turner left quite a tidy (and accountable) sum in the coffers of the New Conservative party.
By Liz on 02.17.08 4:38 pm
and your proof of that is where, Liz?
Garth’s say-so?
There are thirty thousand reasons to believe this. — Garth
how did this one slip under my RADAR?
By Brammer on 02.17.08 10:43 pm
Well, what you need is a Fat Albert Aerial RADAR platform.
It flies on a 10,000 Kevlar tether at Ft. Hauchucha, AZ, , home of the Army’s Military Intelligence Centre (Now there is the ultimate oxymoron, eh? LMAO) and provides survellience of the U.S. Mexican Border. LOL There are several sites along the border and the RADAR can detect even a person walking on the ground, or crossing the border. They have made many drug busts of planes attempting to fly ‘under the RADAR.
Do not confuse this Fat Albert with the U.S. Navy’s Blue Angels-Marine Corps C-130, ‘Fat Albert’. Now, that bird know how to Git up and GO! Hey, Hey, Hey!
This comes as no real surprise, and in fact makes sense. We have had NORAD for as long as I can remember with a mutual defense treaty. This merely formalizes an update to that long standing agreement.
However, if, say for instance, David Miller tried to call in the U.S. forces to plow snow in Toronto, that would be inappropriate. It would need to come from our shining Protector of The Common Good, Doris Day!
Remember, this was illustrated during Hurricane Katrina when we spent millions sending our CF ships and troops to NOLA to assist in lending aide.
The Yanks, God bless their unknowing hearts, thought the best use of our expertise was to clean up the hockey rink!
With massive communication and understanding like that I sense no threat whatsoever. LOL
We could, likewise, send the Yanks to clean up the catttle feedlots as they are such experts at BS!
BTW, we also have available the great skills of the Jamaican Dog Sled team to call on. Let’s see, what Disney can do with that concept? ‘Cool Paws’ perhaps? I think it would rather ‘mushy’ myself!
For the truly adventureous, there is always Toilet Seat Tossing Kind of gives a whole new meaning to ‘Dead Ringer’, eh?
Happy Family Day Ontarians, the rest of you GET TO WORK!
LMAO!
Ladies and Gentlemen and Mr. Turner….I have a question: If PMSH & the CPC stood in our H of C and gave Nation status to Quebec, then they must back Kosovo as a Nation, yes/no?
They’re British for goodness sakes! Sir Richard isn’t complaining.
By wd on 02.18.08 9:22 am
Actually, Sir Richard doesn’t approve.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7250023.stm
You also have to remember the the UK may not have the same protections as we do.
If a Canadian bank had the same problem, those with savings at that bank would be protected by the CDIC. Does the UK. have the same? Are those with savings at Northern Rock protected?
Then there is the problem for the mortgagees. If Northern Rock was allowed to go belly-up, would the bankruptcy trustees call the mortgages? This would leave these people having to find other lenders. Given the whole sub-prime meltdown caused credit to tighten, would they be able to do so?
As for the Board of Directors and their buyout plan, where were they when the Company was getting into the mess its in?
The same can also be said of the shareholders as they elected the directors.
Being British has nothing to do with it. How many Canadian Banks have gone under?
If PMSH & the CPC stood in our H of C and gave Nation status to Quebec, then they must back Kosovo as a Nation, yes/no?
By David Bakody on 02.18.08 10:56 am
Conversely, the real question is if PMSH and the goobernment recognizes Kosavo’s independence, will they have to recognize Quebec’s? That is the REAL crux of the issue, and their dilemia at the moment.
Catch-22 rears its ugly head once again, eh?
I say, recognize Kosavo immediately. But then I am not a two bit power hungry politician like PMSH!
You know what I like to do when someone gives me the finger in traffic?
By Cheryl on 02.17.08 10:41 pm
I say “I’m sorry Sir, we do not have a table for one!” LOL
Does anyone smell martial law?
By Charles Oxley on 02.18.08 12:28 am
WTF????
Who are these people? Who do they THINK they are? Sheesh! Hunter Thompson would be proud!
‘It’s definitely gotten STRANGE enough now!’
CBC had an excellent documentary on last night ‘Oil: The World Over A Barrel!’ featuring the ANWR and Alberta Oil Sands as stars. Very well worth watching.
Happy Family Day Ontarians, the rest of you GET TO WORK!
LMAO!
By Bill-Muskoka
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Here in Manitoba they call it Louis Riel Day Bill. Still it is a family day off for most here also. Me well I am retired so I have every day off. LOL
Hello Garth,
i’m still waiting to see a new video for MPTV… I take it that your planning of Town Hall Meetings, election preparedness, and constituency issues have left you with little time for that stuff.
However when you get a chance, could you interview all 4 Federal Liberal NL (Newfoundland and Labrador) MPs when you get the chance? Personally, i’d like to get a better idea where the NL caucus of the Federal Liberals stands on the environment, sustainable development, the fishery (a.k.a joint management and custodial management), among many other issues.
Also, could you take the time to introduce the Federal Liberal MP candidates for the next Federal Election on MPTV once they’re chosen? Once again, I consider the candidate as more important than the party or leader.
But unless I know more about the candidates, i’d be uncertain of how to vote…. Anyways, that’s just my two cents. I look forward to your response!
By maggie on 02.18.08 9:29 am
‘Conspiracy of silence’ on tarsands, group says
CTV.ca News – Fri. Feb. 15 2008 9:14 PM ET
A new report accuses the federal government of allowing Alberta’s tarsands to become “the most destructive project on earth”.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080215/tarsands_enviroreport_080215/20080215?hub=SciTech
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The Alberta oil sands didn’t suddenly spring up when the Harper Conservative government were elected in 2006 … they inherited the oil sands problem from past Liberal governments.
The oil sands were mostly developed during the 13 years of Chretien-Martin-Dion government, and they encouraged that development even though they had signed on to the Kyoto Accord … and fully knew that the oil sands were big CO2 GHG generators.
Why did the previous Liberal governments do nothing to stop further oil sands development, while the GHGs were skyrocketing not only in Alberta , but also in Ontario where the economy was on a tear and McGuinty’s promise to shut down Nanticoke by 2004 was a lie.
So for some suspect environmental group to dump the oil sands on the current government stinks of political opportunism. They should identify the Liberals as the cause of the oil sands GHGs, and now to shut down the oil sands would separate Alberta from the RoC. Attempting to stop oil sands development will also alienate Alberta.
For Maggie to proclaim: “Let’s hope Canadians keep the environment a top issue in this election, and not be distracted by Harper’s twisted lies.” … let’s not be tricked into voting Liberal, the original villains who allowed Canada’s GHGs to exceed our Kyoto by 32% … and now to cost the Canadian taxpayer $11 Billion worth of Kyoto Carbon Credits according to the latest of Dion’s election promises.
Liberals would shut down the Alberta oil sands, but give the Ontario filthy coal-fired power stations a pass, all for votes.
The Chretien-Martin-Dion Liberal governments created a filthy Canada, and now they are promising to fix up the filth they caused. Surely Dion doesn’t deserve a second chance when he failed to make the environment a “priority” the last time.
Why would anyone think computer voting or vote counting be helpful to a free democracy? You have hear of hakers and coruption, government/military planing.
Have you seen this,
FOX News Exposes Diebold Electronic Vote Flipping in Florida
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVdVcAyDtBI&eurl=http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/31123
You can help by helping to count the votes!
Who says the votes must be counted all on the same day as the election???
The corporate run media may just need to wait 24-72 hours to find out who the people voted for!
Military backed Paul during primaries; media ignored him
http://www.thetimesherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/OPINION03/802180312/1014/OPINION
Be carefull what power you give the government! What else will there start to block? Maybe ‘garth.ca’?
Finnish hacker criticizes Finland’s internet censorship. Finnish police add his website to the national “child porn” filter.
(No child-porn here to see, but still blocked. What next, who decides, Harper and his gang?).
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted?
The Bush Administration Takes Us for Idiots
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=144&a=5207
Identity cards ‘useless in fight against terrorism’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=515128&in_page_id=1770
BIG Brother is almost here, you can still help stop George orweells 1984 world. But you need to get active and involved in time!
Wikileaks Under Attack: California Court Wipes Wikileaks.org Out of Existence
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/18/91556/1784/766/458936
What next? ‘Garth.ca’?
For once and for all let’s be clear CON trolls.
The Alberta tar sands are within provincial jurisdiction. they have been developing since they were discovered almost one hundred years ago. It was not until the Lougheed -Trudeau wars happened that they really started to develop but that is another story.
At first it was a Provincial Energy and Utility Board Panel that heard the evidence but the last time I presented it was a joint federal/provincial Panel but Alberta still had the hammer in terms of panel votes.
Since the National Energy Program was put in place under Trudeau Federal Liberals have been for the most part been unelectable except for a very few exceptions.
We know the environmental issues that need to be resolved but we also know the solutions and there are many of us working on solutions that offset the potential damage to the environment in a meaningful way.
The federal government can suggest and recommend to the Provinces but they cannot control the decisions made by Alberta on the this file.even Harper!
By Harry S on 02.18.08 12:11 pm
When I read that CTV story on Friday I thought the same thing. People bitch and complain about the Conservatives and the Alberta oil sands. They did not start up since Jan 23 06, but have been around for longer. I never hear people advocating to shut them down so can assume it will be status quo for when if the Liberals were to form government. There would be a mere $20 per tonne fine with their plan however. I have previously read a carbon tax will not do much until it is at least $70 per tonne. That fine will be passed on the consumers either way so until we all start creating less of a demand for oil, they will keep destroying our habitat to provide it to us.
By Randy on 02.18.08 12:07 pm
We should have an inter-provincial PARTY! LOL
Environment Canada has “muzzled” its scientists, ordering them to refer all media queries to Ottawa where communications officers will help them respond with “approved lines.”
http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=277560
The Century Of Of The Self Full Documentary. I Say No Person Should Allow To Vote Unless They Watch This Awesome Documentary About Psychological Manipulations First
http://bestdocumentaries.blogspot.com/2008/02/century-of-of-self-full-documentary.html
Scientists Worry over GM Drug Crops
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/scientists-worry-over-gm-drug-crops/802
Not only are prisoners men&women being raped in iraq by the USA by also,
When Rape is OK: Female Contractors in Iraq
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2008/02/13/kbr_arbitration/index.html
War is just the use of BRUT FORCE!!!
Who are know the foreign occupiers army?
I would fight back also!
Financial Markets Are Getting Worse
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/18/74016/2186/779/458915
LMAO!
Yes, the Liberals are the ones at fault for the Alberta Oil Sands Projects. Absolutely. Let’s just ignore the Alberta claim to ‘We own the rights and we can do as we damn well please, or else we’ll leave Canada!’
Bring back NEP and then we can see who is actually responsible.
BTW, the Clean Green BP (Beyond Petroleum) Eco-Preserver, refused to allow cameras on their Alberta site for the CBC program shoot. Why?
My roof has an ice dam. ITS THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
MY arse has an itch…All together now…IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
A NEIGHBOR’S DOG crapped IN MY YARD! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
Harper got caught in the cookie jar IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
Baird is an imbecile IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
Canada was embarassed at Bali IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
Dion is not a leader like the past arrogant leaders, but an intelligent leader! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
Harper is not a leader! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
The oil refibery in Texass blew up! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
A seaqgull CRAPped on an oil rig, the price of gas went up instantly! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
Yes, we know, no matter what the situation ! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT! IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
Got that folks? IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!
SNAP of the fingers and we discover IT’S THE LIBERAL’S FAULT!…er, Oops!
Now, would someone else like to feed the Parrots? Here are the Crackers!
The corporate run media may just need to wait 24-72 hours to find out who the people voted for!
By Greg W., Oakville on 02.18.08 12:12 pm
But! But! What about all the money they have spent, like CNN’s new studio, to razzle dazzle us with their Oracle like wonders?
(I always wait until the final votes are counted. I still remember the last election where we had a final, Court approved count with 29 votes difference in the Parry Sound-Muskoka riding. The closest race in all of Canada).
Consumers may not be able to avoid cloned food
Will Canadians have a choise?
Remeber PMSH SPP deal to harmanize our standards with the USA!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/02/18/MN2EUSFR0.DTL
Has Canada got any of the USA beer that was recalled?
Nanotech worry scientists, public
http://www.scientistlive.com/lab/?/Nanotechnology/2008/02/18/19794/Nanotech’s_impacts_worry_scientists_and_the_public/
FYI
[Video] Nancy Graham’s Impeachment Commentary, USA polatics ~10min.
http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=4862
Question for Canadaian MP’s,
When will Canada’s oposition parties make this Harper & gang Government fall,
so the people can kick them out for good!?
Bernanke’s State of the Economy Speech:
“You are all Dead Ducks”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19365.htm
Has Canada got any of the USA beer that was recalled?
By Greg W., Oakville on 02.18.08 1:44 pm
I think you meant ‘beef’. All U.S. beer should be recalled! LMAO!
The decision to try six Gitmo detainees using military commissions is part of a concerted effort to subvert justice and to maintain a veil of secrecy around questionable interrogation policies
http://www.slate.com/id/2184476/nav/ais/
AHA! This must be Harper’s Bible?
The Last Self-help Book You’ll Ever Need: Repress Your Anger, Think Negatively, Be a Good Blamer, And Throttle Your Inner Child
Now it makes sense!
Thanks for the link Greg!
Greg,
You okay this afternoon? Man, you are starting to look like Mulder! LOL
Greg, here is one you missed.
Americans say Canadian border tough on past crimes
The sharing of computerized information and increased vigilance since Sept. 11, 2001, have led more than 18,000 U.S. citizens with criminal records to be turned away since 2003.
The records often date back to the distant past for offences like marijuana possession, assault and impaired driving.
Sure seems to me the ‘terrorist security’ thing has been greatly expanded, and is unrelated to any terrorist threat in these instances?
Does this surprise anyone?
By Marc on 02.18.08 1:12 pm
By Harry S on 02.18.08 12:11 pm
When I read that CTV story on Friday I thought the same thing. People bitch and complain about the Conservatives and the Alberta oil sands. They did not start up since Jan 23 06, but have been around for longer. I never hear people advocating to shut them down so can assume it will be status quo for when if the Liberals were to form government. There would be a mere $20 per tonne fine with their plan however. I have previously read a carbon tax will not do much until it is at least $70 per tonne. That fine will be passed on the consumers either way so until we all start creating less of a demand for oil, they will keep destroying our habitat to provide it to us.
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Good points Marc … but I heard that if a country like Canada came on to the Carbon Credit trading market with their huge carbon credits needs, the CC market could skyrocket to perhaps $200 per tonne..!!!
There are investors who have purchased carbon credits and are waiting for the prices to rise, and rise spectacularly considering how much pent up GHGs there are in the world.
Doesn’t it bother you that certain Liberal party Canadian interests have positioned themselves in China to reap the rewards when the Canadian taxpayer is forced by a Liberal government to purchase Billion$$$$ of Kyoto Carbon Credits .. and all that means to Canadian industry and jobs when those Billion$$$$ are converted to a Carbon Tax on all Canadians ..??!!
Very interesting comments. I love this weblog.
Thanks Garth – Happy Family day to you and your beautiful family. You’re great!
Hi Bill-Muskoka,
‘Greg, here is one you missed.’
Bill I did see that one but let it pass.
Bill, Thanks for the spelling corection. I was never a great speller.
Hi Bill-Muskoka on,
‘ Man, you are starting to look like Mulder! LOL’
Here is a link that is way out there.
Iran, Syria and Lebanon attacked in 30 days, III WorldWar, how it will Happen!
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread334462/pg1
By Greg W., Oakville on 02.18.08 4:26 pm
Kind of LOL, but not that much knowing Dubya. The usual Rethuglican play. Start a war so there will be a War Prez in the White House…and that would be? McCain! (Unfortunately, I don’t thiunk the American sheeple are buying that now)
G.H.W. Bush took the attitude that Kuwait’s and Iraq’s little tiff over oil was NOT of interest to the U.S. UNTIL Old Bush remembered. ‘HOLY! There’s an election coming!’ His response was ‘BOMB THEM!’
As to Iran, it will be all tied together with Israel’s self-inflicted paranoia and war efforts to supprt the U.S. Operation ‘Got Oil!’ (aka GO) which, in Bush and Exxon-Mobil’s mind means ‘You got it…We will TAKE it!’
I wonder how long it will be before Bush declares Canada a tourorist threat and invades Alberta, and the Maritimes?
In reality, I would NOT put it past him, and them, to try! Watch how fast that will happen if we ‘nationalize’ OUR oil reserves and decide to protect Canadian interests first and above foreign multinationals. BAM!
Suddenly, there would be Hydrazine filled satellites raining down all over Canada, so they could sneak their troops in under the new NORAD agreement to ‘lend assistance in our time of need.’
Yep, I’ve got the same poster, backed by over a half century of real experience as to how the U.S. really works. Ask Chavez how Exxon-Mobil deals with their national resources!
We’d better polish up the General Brock statue I think…just as a friendly reminder.
But, no back to you mon ami, Tell me you do not have a poster with a UFO on it that reads ‘They’re Out There!’? LOL
Could someone please tell me what LOL means? Thanks.
Greg,
I meant to add. The U.S. is very desparate to keep their screwed up economy going because the World Bank and IMF may be close to foreclosure on their infinite debt.
They have to keep things going or default. They will declare it a ‘National Emergency’ and ‘Clear and present danger to the security of the United States!’ At that point anything goes, and will.
Should we worry with our security in the hands of the Ever Present Watchdog Doris Day, the likes of Peter McKay, Jim Prentice, Harper, and our fine RCMP and CSIS?
I think so, and BTW, where is John Manley now? At another secret meeting on SPP and NAU tidying up the secret agreements?
Could someone please tell me what LOL means? Thanks.
By Sandy Canchuk on 02.18.08 5:04 pm
LOL = Laughing Out Loud,
or if you are listening to The Beach Boys ‘Little Old Lady’, the one from Pasadena, to be specific!
LOL
Thanks. I often wondered why these initials were used; I couldn’t figure it out because the acronymn didn’t make sense. Thanks again.
You are most welcome.
ROFLMAO – Rolling On Floor Laughing My Arse Off! Just FYI (For Your Information) LOL
There are thirty thousand reasons to believe this. — Garth
Bitch and complain all you like, The fact is that it wasn’t your money in the first place.
Did you hear me complain? I’ll enjoy watching the Halton Cons burn vainly through it. — Garth
Thanks. I often wondered why these initials were used; I couldn’t figure it out because the acronyms didn’t make sense. Thanks again. By Sandy Canchuk
Here is a site that gives an explanation to most that are used.
http://www.by-users.co.uk/faqs/abbeviations/
I thought LOL was lots of love, My wife would write that on some emails and I started to wonder when my male friends replyed with the same abbrviation.
I started to wonder when my male friends replyed with the same abbreviation.
By Marc on 02.18.08 6:32 pm <
That must have come as a shock, eh? LOL
Hmmm. what’s going on here in Canada anyways?
Have we lost our way or is because the liberals have found their way?
I’m confused? What’s next with our Conservative government anyways?
Apparently, the our soldiers listen to orders; the Taliban told Our Troops not to go to this bomb area this time, I can’t remember when the Kajarr gov’t tried to protect our Soldiers, what’s up with this anyways?
Hi Bill-Muskoka,
‘Tell me you do not have a poster with a UFO on it that reads ‘They’re Out There!’? LOL’
Sorry Bill, no UFO posters on the walls hear. Just a few caving posters.
I do planning to clover my ‘REAL ID’ card with it’s RFID chip inside with a peice of tin-foil so it can’t be read remotely.
It looks like I may need to put the money in there also.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=rfid-power
Your comment reminded me. I had a freind 20 years back or so. He was x Canadian military. He also had a summer job shredding top-secret papers for them. Some were about strange organic live in the upper atomshere, I think some had be collected?
I wondered if it could just have been life that flowted up, and was change by the cosmic rays. But it makes you wonder. LOL. Other life outside earth might mess up the control religion allows some to have? Why were these reports top-secret and shredded? LOL
Perhaps the freind that told me, had
poster with a UFO on it that reads ‘They’re Out There!’? LOL’
I wondered if it could just have been life that flowted up, and was change by the cosmic rays. But it makes you wonder. LOL. Other life outside earth might mess up the control religion allows some to have? Why were these reports top-secret and shredded? LOL
Perhaps the freind that told me, had
poster with a UFO on it that reads ‘They’re Out There!’? LOL’
By Greg W., Oakville on 02.19.08 12:09 pm
Greg, there is a principle in physics and atmosphereics called Brownian Motion, and the ‘life’ forms’ found very easlity could be from earth. Cosmic rays, as well as hard radiation will knowingly cause mutation of DNA, mRNA, and result in ‘new’ life forms.
As to UFO’s I personally have seen three in my life, and have no doubt they were. Once when I was flying as a pilot and was shadowed by a very large one. We even experienced the effect of its aerodynamic bow wave (compression ahead of it, like Porpoises ahead of a ship’s bow wave) and could measure the effect with our DME instrumentation. Yet, RADAR showed nothing at the ARTCC. Go figure.
Our indicated airspeed was 175 Knots, our ground speed was 140 knots flying into a 35 knot headwind. When it went behind us our ground speed dramatically increased to 180 knots, even though our Indicated Airspeed was still 175 Knots. That meant we got a shove of 40 Knots, yet the air was moving with us as well.
My passenger sat there staring at it, camera in his lap, and never even thought to take a picture. It paced us for a while prior to going behind us right off our starboard wing.
It was visibly clear as could be, all black, saucer shaped, about 150 to 200 in diamterand NO, they didn’t do any ’sexual things’ to us! LOL
It was a beautiful early evening over the desert of New Mexico and Arizona at 14,000 feet, with very few clouds in the sky. BTW, the thing actually flew towards us from the west, diagonally against the wind. I thought it was a heavy bird like a 747 or DC-10 and reported the traffic to the Air Route Traffic Control Centre as they appeared to be at our altitude. ARTTC reported they saw nothing on their RADAR scopes. Strange, eh? Scarey it was as well. I am not into competing for airspace against any hard objects. LOL Did I mention the one blinking white light on its top? No other light emitted.
They did, however, perhaps help us to have a safe flight because even though I did very careful fuel calculations plus the reserve of 45 minutes (IFR FLight Plan), the headwinds were significantly stronger than forecast, and we may have had to make an emergency landing for fuel otherwise, as we were pretty low when we landed at Phoenix International Airport. The fuel gauges are not all that accurate, but the visual tank check is. I will probably never know for sure? I counted it as a ‘Close Encounter of the Benevolent Kind!’
The other two were not even exciting compared to that. One I tracked with a 6 inch reflecting telescope and it transited from south the north like a missile and I had to manually track it it was moving so fast at a very high altitude as well, but had red, orange and blue lights in three segments under it. Not an airplane or satellite, that’s for sure.
The other is a long story, a very long story which I generally do not share except to my closest friends.
The sightings in Phoenix Arizona a few years back really left everyone going ‘WTH?’ That was the triangle of lights that hovered for a long time, yet was clearly like a flying wing in shape. Those pics are online.
Hi Bill-Muskoka,
If we only know what they have made at the skunk works.
I recall hearing that the Canadian avarow arro plane (sp?) buzzed the buffallo air base once, and got then all excited.
The sightings in Phoenix Arizona a few years back, triangle of lights that hovered for a long time, yet was clearly like a flying wing in shape. Sounds like the secret USA
heavey lift airframe for delivering there abrams main battle tanks in large numbers behind enemy lines to suprize them and have the brut force to take over and control land.
If we only really know?
Hi Bill-Muskoka,
Did you eye this one,
Russia builds £3m UFO centre
http://www.orange.co.uk/news/quirkies/default.htm?rm=storyitem&storyId=2735555