Below: Widow reconfirms Tory attempt to buy vote.
Update: RCMP asked to investigate alleged bribery of MP
While I never did meet Chuck Cadman, he’s a hard man to avoid. Even in death, he exerts an influence many politicians never achieve at their career peak in the House of Commons.
Cadman was a Reform MP from BC, a former rock musician who got into politics to avenge a wrongful death. Iconic, laconic, gum-chewing and genuine, he had a rock god following which helped him get elected as an Indie after the Conservative nomination was stolen from him at a packed nomination meeting one night. He went on to exact his revenge, casting the deciding vote that prevented the fall of the Liberal Paul Martin government in early 2005. He died some weeks later.
I well remember Stephen Harper speaking of Cadman in Conservative caucus in derogatory tones. He used the guy as an example of what happens to MPs who do not spend copious amounts of time organizing their ridings, mustering supporters and fending off political challenges. It was his own fault he lost his party’s nomination, Harper told his MPs one day with clear disdain, because he thought he was a star.
At the time I did not understand why the prime minister would dis a former colleague, a former Reformer and a man who was dead. Perhaps the reason was revealed Wednesday night in a CBC television report which said Conservative operatives tried to bribe a dying Cadman with a $1 million insurance policy if he would vote in favour of Harper, and against Martin in that crucial Commons showdown.
The allegation is contained in a new book on Cadman, “Like a Rock,” apparently confirmed by the former’s MP’s wife, and at least partially substantiated by statements from PMSH himself. If so, it’s a big deal. It’s amoral and distasteful. Also illegal.
The Liberals also admit to having lobbying Cadman for his support, which is to be expected, but there is no evidence in the book they offered him any material advantage in return. The Conservatives, in addition to the life insurance policy (Cadman would soon succumb to cancer), are reported to have offered several other incentives, including immediate reinstatement into the party which had turned its back on him.
Obviously, we do not know the degree of truth in all of this but the CBC indicates it stands behind its damning report. Knowing Mr. Harper as I do, I find this completely believable. He’s a politician whose highest goal is power, and to whom people and colleagues are merely tools to use in its acquisition. In just over two years he has tossed caucus members overboard, demoted others, fired civil servants, shut down regulators, smeared other MPs, called the opposition Taliban sympathizers and been a bully provocateur.
That I have witnessed. The bribing of a dying man is new.
Commons ethics committee ponders launching Cadman bribery probe — Global News
Update:
Dona Cadman’s interview, CTV NewsNet
Dan: And returning now to our top story. The chuck cadman controversy. An explosive accusation is being levelled at the federal conservatives. In a soon to be published book two tory party officials are said to have attempted to bribe mp chuck cadman for a crucial commons vote. Ctv’s janet dirks contacted chuck cadman’s wife dona in a telephone interview. Dona cadman confirmed the soon to be published story.
Okay. Can I ask you because it’s going to be in the book that’s coming up in march and we’ll speak to the author later but can i ask you what your husband told but that visit before that critical vote.
Oh, just that two gentlemen had visited him, offered him a million dollar life insurance policy and a few other things.
Reporter: A few other things such as?
Well, one was being welcomed back into the conservative party.
Reporter: Were you surprised by that story?
No, not really. It was something they were — i think any party would have done.
Reporter: And what did he say to them when they made him this offer?
Oh, he was angry.
Reporter: And he told but it that night?
Mm-hmm. When he came home.
Reporter: Did he ever show you any documents or was there any paper shown to you?
No. There was paper shown to him but they were taken with him.
Reporter: It’s such an interesting story in that your husband had cancer and they were offering him allegedly a million dollar life insurance policy. How could that even work?
I don’t know.
Reporter: Can I also ask you, you are running for the tories now.
Mm-hmm.
Reporter: Does this put new an awkward situation in terms of the party and this allegation?
A little, yes.
Reporter: Have you spoken with the prime minister about it?
I talked to his office today.
Reporter: And what was said if you don’t mind mean asking?
Just that they were going to bring out a press release.
Reporter: I am trying to understand, do you denounce what was offered to your husband or you said earlier that you understood it in a way.
Yeah, i do.
Reporter: How angry does it make you, or does it?
Not as much as it did before.
Reporter: Why is that?
I think there is time passed.
Reporter: Would you consider it a bribe, then?
Yes, in a way, mm-hmm.
Reporter: So — and you told the author of the book this story?
Mm-hmm.
Reporter: How much regret do you have in telling that story in light of the fact that you are running for the tories?
None.
Reporter: Okay. And would it be possible to speak to you on camera?
No.
Reporter: Why is that?
I just don’t feel comfortable with it. I don’t mind talking to you on — over the phone but not on camera.
Reporter: Okay.
Okay?
Reporter: Thank you very much.
Okay.
Reporter: Bye.
Bye-bye.
Globe and Mail: Tories tried to sway vote of dying MP, widow alleges
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Harper Rules,
Turner Drools!!!!!!
So this is what the liberals are stooping to?Trying to make points by talking about things that happened years ago with a man that is now dead?you have got to be kidding.What’s next.Telling everyone that the conservatives steal kids’ halloween candy?that santa’s not real?Absolutely pathetic.
This blog has reached a new low point.
Sorry Garth, but motive for this posting?
Feeling your frustration at the moment, but think this one is inappropriate.
T. Sutton
The motive? Because it’s illegal? Unethical? Because votes in the House of Commons aren’t for sale? Because it shows terrible judgment? Take your pick. — Garth
The first three posts on this blog miss the point completely. This story is important. Too bad it won’t have the same effect as the RCMP investigation of Goodale in the midst of the last election campaign. Or will it . . . ?
I have personally met Chuck Cadman, and have shaken his hand. I have the highest respect for him.
I also believe that he would not approve of the way that you are using his name in this context, now that he can no longer speak for himself.
Mr. Cadman was not a vindictive man, and did not see his vote for the Liberals as “revenge.” In fact, he was undecided which way he was going to go until the last minute.
His advice to you, Garth, would be to move on, and to forget this pettiness already. Mudslinging at PMSH is getting you nowhere in a hurry.
And of course it is The Globe and Mail running this story, not the CBC. I hate the CBC’s new website. For that reason and that reason alone, I rarely go to the CBC’website. Not much to do with what the story is about, huh?
I never met Chuck Cadman, either, but I will never forget him! He was a man of honour and integrity – a “rock star” in every sense of the term. I remember watching him rise in the House of Commons to cast that historic vote. Knowing how ill he was at the time, I was in awe of his courage and his determination to be in the House to vote his conscience.
If it is true that Conservative operatives tried to bribe this dying man, there are no words to describe the pure evil of such a tactic.
Sadly, on the basis of watching the tactics of PMSH and his crew for the past two years, I can easily believe the allegation to be true.
Rest in peace, Mr. Cadman. You served Canada well and honourably!
Garth, you’re right. It’s bad enough this book ‘lies’ but we can be sure the opportunist Harper will stand up, with righteous indignation, at a photo op & point his ‘almighty finger’ at the Liberals & blame them for the whole thing!
Let’s not forget that Chuck Cadman was no advocate for the Liberal Party. His main issue was getting tough on crime, something he felt that the Liberals were woefully inadequate in.
However, he represents the best in parliamentary tradition, rising above petty and partisan politics. He was real, genuine and transparent.
Let’s not make a political football out of him. He would not approve of being used for partisan advantage.
If this happened, why would Chuck Cadman not disclose it himself if he approved of what you are doing?
I predict that this type of mudslinging will lead to counter suggestions that he was offered bribes by others as well, which is totally unfair to him.
We need to let the man rest in peace. He would have none of this partisanship.
Garth, I understand that this is just coming to light now on the National and in a book. However, given the political bickering, disrespect, posturing etc, that everyone, primarily the public is fed up. I still maintain running this is inappropriate.
What needs to be asked is why was this information buried, not litigated against at the time or shortly thereafter? Any ideas?
Something stinks about the timing.
I think Garth is dead on with this post. A mans past can be a very good judge of character. How is it that a man who prides him self and his caucus on honesty and leadership could stoop so low?
How is it that people will happily just write that off? Is there anything lower then trying to bribe a dying man?
this is first and foremost anti democratic. Harper never shows anything but disdain for democracy. If you vote against him, your standing in his way; never mind you were elected to represent the voters in your riding.
our prime minister has no love of Canada, he has no love of democracy – he does have a love for power, and his own interests.
actions speak louder then words.
Something always stinks about the timing of poltical bombshells from the outside during times of heightened political activity.
Harper has misled the Canadian people the entire time he’s been in politics.
There is absolutely no way any 5 year president of the NCC (namely Harper back in late 97′ to late 01′) can represent the people of Canada when the National Citizens Coalition made up of U.S. multinationals with a current 2.8 billion dollar (admitted by their current leader) budget has but one goal… to spend overturning court rulings, bribing officials, advertizing propaganada campaigns and whatever else this organization needs to do to decentralize federal powers and lobby to open up all of Canada’s markets for U.S. foreign takeover. Harpers agenda IS the NCC’s agenda.
With Harper, there should be no hidden agenda and yet, people still deny this ugly truth. He works for U.S. multinational oil, defence and inurance corporations and whatever other corps want to own a greater share if not the entire market share of each and every Canadian economic sector we’ve got.
The wheat board? Get rid of it so Cargill, Pioneer and ADM can own it. Regulations protecting Canadian businesses in any way? Get rid of them. Get rid of every board, Crown or barrier that stands in the way of U.S. ownership of every resource and sector we’ve got.
So ask yourselves knowing this, cause its true. Ask yourself how a Canadian could turn into such a traitor like this and sell Canada out with every opportunity he’s got and he’s taking them… its just taking him more time because he only has a minority to work with… ask yourselves how any Canadian could heartlessly turn their back on their nation.
I did. The answer(s)? Money. Power. And the convenient belief that Canada is just another U.S. state.
Harper tried to bribe Cadman with a cool million? Doesn’t surprise me in the least. The question you all should be asking is… where did he get the seed money to do it? It was american pockets, folks.
Harper kissed Asper’s Can West media ass bending over backwards for bias news and the promise of more market share. Through the CRTC rulings, Harper delivered. He’s bought the CTV as well. If the Star and G & M bent to his bribes, this nation might well be on its way out already and the average person wouldn’t have known why until it was too late. Harpers the most dangerous person to this nation right now and I’ve repeatedly said it over and over because its TRUE!!
You all think about that one the next time another Canadian soldier dies over lies calling a resource war a war on terror. If Harper and Bush were around in the 60′s, they would have called Vietnam Operation Enduring Freedom. He wanted us in Iraq. Harper is bending over backwards for known U.S. and Israeli warcriminals, calling these same crooked U.S. politicians gentle people incapable of torturing political prisoners…
I can not begin to tell you all just how sick and fed up I am with the lies and immorality of Harper. He appeals to self interests and it has, to this nations shame, worked! He’s in his third year of power!! Dion… if your listening… call an election. Just do it. Trust the intelligence of the people of Ontario and Atlantic Canada to do the right thing in the wake of brainswashed westerners.
This country should be thanking its lucky stars that Ontarians know better. I for one am glad for that, glad for the patriots in this nation that see through Harpers ugly agenda and call it what it is at the polls.
From what I have seen of this story, this little detail was revealed by his wife, who told it to the reporter writing the book.
Perhaps those who are criticizing Liberals, Garth, and others might want to try and understand why Dona Cadman didn’t keep this to herself.
Bob and Ike, if Dona is the one who has brought this to light, would you like to level some of your criticism at her as well? Do you feel that she is trying to make ‘points off her dead husband”?
I guess Harper will be coming to bribe your entire caucus Garth….You’re all dead from the neck up…..
Good post, Garth. Cadman was obviously a man of principle, and his story should be told, and read by Canadians of whatever political stripe.
That said, I was gobsmacked when I saw the story about the bribe on CBC this evening, and the PMSH statement that he knew beforehand about the offer to Cadman. It simply boggles the mind that this man is running our country. What else can one say?
By Ike on 02.27.08 10:25 pm
So you deny that Harper tried to bribe Chuck with a cool million, that this means nothing to you? Are you really that moronic? Shame on anyone who would defend Harper and attack anyone who tells it like it is. Typical New Con tactics. Like peas in a pod New Cons are. Pathetic.
And when Garth tells us what Harper thought of Cadman, just smear Garth to boot. Clearly, you don’t know right from wrong.
By TS on 02.27.08 10:08 pm
If its true, its worth saying. This is, after all, the leader of our nation we are talking about. And how can this news be speaking poorly of Chuck Cadman, a man servant of this country who wasn’t on the take?
Our leader is crooked and its about time we accepted it and did something about it. C’mon, folks, Harper is a U.S. multinational lobbyist. Nothing smart of sophisticated about it. He’s simply made a career over screwing and bribing his way to the top and its time we caught on to it before more damage is done.
In reading the article Mrs. Cadman is running for the conservatives in the next election so your outrage seems a little out of place and it would appear you have reached a new low. The liberals deserve you. It is becoming more and more evident why you were turfed.
By Ed Brooks on 02.27.08 10:41 pm
Excellent point, Ed. The rest of the New Con trolls will be out shortly, smearing the truth as usual. Sad that people like this walk among us. Truly sad.
hey garth – i got a flyer from gord brown today asking if i wanted to lose my child care benefit – why is this dork spending money sending me crap like this?
By Ed Brooks on 02.27.08 10:41 pm
“Dona Cadman, who is now running for the Conservatives in the Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North…”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080227.wcadmann0227/BNStory/National/home
Ed, she’s running for the Cons. How does she reconcile that with her story and her possible position in the same party?
This is what makes politics so unsavory, leaving no stone unturned in mudslinging. I support Garth just feel you need to draw a line in the sand somewhere in upholding your own integrity.
I feel this was an opportunistic post to continue unwrapping the evils of Harper. The evils are already understood, need more be said?
Garth, this is going to backfire. I think you are better than that. Let Chuck rest in peace.
Garth … now that you depend on this yellow journalism from that Liberal goebellian rag the G&M, that clearly indicates how desperate you, Mrs. Cadman and the Liberal party must be in your final days, as you all descend into your cesspool of mendacity.
But wait … you have a legitimate recourse here since you contend what has happened is illegal and unethical … Take it to the HoCs Ethics Committee .. a.k.a. the Szabo Star Chamber of salacious delights.
Just heard Pat Martin say it has become useless going after your old boss Mulroney any more, so might as well wrap it up … thus giving the committee room to investigate in it’s usual thorough manner the Cadman-Harper connection, since the illustrious G&M has revealed skulduggery that Canadians will want investigated immediately …!!!
Thank goodness for political ethics of the highest order … which I might add includes you too.
If this is now becoming news because a new book on Chuck is coming out, this whole story reeks every way from sideways from all involved, save for the deceased.
I really liked Chuck Cadman. He was his own guy. He was refrehing principled man in a world where we have cookie cutter nodding head politicians.
Just when you think it couldn’t get any goofier in politics it does.
Oh … and in addition to my previous comments, you can include this small codicil …. Perhaps you should have entitled your weblog article:
Digging Up Old Corpses – Liberal Style
.. thanks to the venerable G&M and the beloved CBC … ah desperation has no bounds nowadays … LOL
Why is Dona Cadman then running for the Cons in B.C.? I mean how the hell does someone ‘run’ for the Cons if they know the Cons are so immoral? See this is the part of all of you that is just so much despicability and overruns any sort of common sense. How does she justify that?
There is something missing in this.
Love how the Con trolls come out to howl! We watched the story on tonight’s National. If it is true, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, shame, shame, shame on the Cons. We all know just how manipulative and controlling the PM is, and I don’t believe for one minute that Steve didn’t know what his henchmen were up to in trying to bribe Mr. Cadman. Steve and his pals are starting to smell like yesterday’s garbage. Time to get to the polls! Bring it on! I want my Canada back!!
Ed Brooks, your point is well taken.
I cannot judge Dona Cadman’s motives, but from what I have seen of her since her husband’s death, I believe that she was more partisan than her husband.
May be she received a deep hurt when her husband did not win the nomination. I don’t know. I could be wrong.
What I do know, however, is that Chuck was a thoroughly decent, forgiving man, who did not hold a grudge, and who was as nonpartisan of a politician as we will ever find who took a seat in the House of Commons.
Did I read this correctly in the G & M article ? Is Mrs Cadman a Conservative candidate ??
Dona Cadman, who is now running for the Conservatives in the Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North, was not in the office at the time. But she says her husband was furious when he returned to their apartment. “Chuck was really insulted,” she said in a telephone interview with The Globe Wednesday. “He was quite mad about it, thinking they could bribe him with that.”
How long will the CPC take to get rid of Mrs Cadman as a candidate ??
See my last post
Just a question. How do you obtain a life insurance policy on someone who is dying of cancer?
Kerry
“If this happened, why would Chuck Cadman not disclose it himself if he approved of what you are doing?”
By Ike on 02.27.08 10:25 pm
Dear Ike,
I can read Mrs. Cadman’s statements about her husband shielding the identity of the two “official representatives o the Conservative Party” because these two individuals were close personal friends acting on behalf of their leader Stephen Harper.
Chuck Cadman understood by even uttering the names of these two “official representatives” to his wife that eventually, some day, it would wrongfully disgrace the two individuals.
People of honour tend to be people of fierce personal loyalty and that is why he did not disclose the names of the “two official representatives of the Conservative Party”.
He showed THEM fierce personal loyalty in protecting their identities. Will THEY show MP Cadman the same loyalty now that THEY are the only ones who can speak for him???
Time will tell if the “two official representatives of the Conservative Party” are as honourable and fiercely loyal to their personal friend Chuck Cadman.
May he rest in peace.
Sincerely,
MB
Garth,
Knowing Mr. Harper as I do, I find this completely believable. He’s a politician whose highest goal is power, and to whom people and colleagues are merely tools to use in its acquisition.
Exactly!
The Conservative party tries to bribe a dying man. When it comes to light, the response on the blog is that Turner is using Chuck to score political points? Of course the timing seems politically motivated, there is almost always something going on. Is the suggestion that the liberals seemed to wuss out on the budget, then this bombshell is released, so they can spring back? That is just stupid.
Granted, we need to make sure that this is true. If it isn’t, good, I hate to think the Conservatives are capable of this. If it is true, then it is a big deal. Calling it purely partisan is nothing more then an attempt to avoid the issue by saying it’s just vote-grabbing.
The leopard showed his spots…
Well it seems like Harpo knew about this, of course not the bribe part,just that HIS guys were going to talk to Cadman, because he would never condone an activity that would have resulted in the fall of the Liberal Government unfairly, right….No to mention illegal, immoral and hypocritical. Hit up a dying man with an offer he can’t refuse, one million dollars of life insurance.. Yup, I’m with the government and I’m here to help….
. . . It’s amoral and distasteful. Also illegal.
Now the shit hits the fan! Not before time, either — what goes around comes around.
Sometimes an individual becomes more powerful in death than in life. Chuck Cadman is one of these people; he chose — rightfully — to represent his constituents, and because his wife had the guts to speak out about the way he was treated by CRAP in the first place.
By Ed Brooks on 02.27.08 10:41 pm
Exactly. All CRAPpists will focus on now is blaming someone else, anyone, anything they figure is worth using to turn bad press into good press.
harper has almost finished digging his own grave; why not let him finish this job as well by burying himself?
There is going to be an overwhelming sense of relief when this war-mongering, dubya’s puppy dictator is toast — harper is truly a legend in his own mind.
Harper would sell his mother to the devil for a vote and power. And there were suspicions that he was trying to buy Cadman.
No surprises here. Just more of the same old, same old from Harper.
Uh, Kevin – http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/27/cadman-book.html
This story is quite relevant, no matter how painful PC supporters and fans of Harper find it to be. It speaks to the issue of power and how corrupting it can be in the hands of morally bankrupt individuals, regardless of their political stripe.
I’m going to enjoy seeing the cons swallow a good helping of their own medicine over this one. People in glass houses….
The way I read it, Chuck Cadman had very little use or respect for most MPs or governments minority or majority; he sat as an independent.
Still, the Harper Conservatives descended upon him with promises of millions for a vote. The Liberals were there too. Likely the NDP. Gotta buy the book! Or take it on loan from the Library.
Chuck chucked them to the curb. Buncha vultures and un-Canadian and un-caring about crime and punishment unless if fit their own narrow ideals.
This may be just one of the reasons Dion stands and faces jeers: to bring to light the down and dirty, inhuman and unfeeling tactics that the average Harper Con will go for a vote, or even a thin veneer of truth, or the worldly righteousness so awfully disallowed them by their own Creator.
Chuck Cadman has the last laugh on the Harper Conservatives, and rightly so.
And BTW, Dona Cadman may be running as a Conservative because she believes in what it was supposed to be; or she may be running because if she did not she would be ripped to shreds and thrown out of her community for going against the grain, like her husband was.
Tough row to hoe.
Best wishes and may all the gods bless Dona Cadman in every endeavour she takes up!
Woe unto Harper for dragging this woman into his dirty pool. It would be best if Harper strung up whoever is responsible for pilloring this woman’s good man who was sincerely an asset to Canada.
Will that happen? Unlikely.
Sad.
So Garth…what the heck are u guys waiting for? Take them down now! You have the Mulroney issue and now this. If Dion does not step up now he lets us all down.
Don’t ask for an RCMP investigation until you demand answers in the house. If the RCMP starts then Harper will hide behind the investigation. I don’t mean to tell the Liberal Party how to handle this but it seems someone needs to wake someone up and take these cons down. Dion’s asleep at the wheel.
Garth, I have a lot of faith in the leadership of Mr. Dion. I must say I am disappointed in some of the so called Liberal supporters who are giving up on him. Not only has he had the Media against him, he now has the very people who do (did) support him jumping ship. Well I’m hanging on because I believe Mr. Dion is the leader Canada needs at this time. I have faith that he is working on this right now. It is questionable about some of his party members though.
Yes, we are frustrated & that’s why we must keep fighting instead of giving up. Tell me, how could Dion not support a budget that was a watered down version of his own ideas? Maybe now people will understand why the Liberals were reluctant to reveal any of their policies before an election was called. It’s plain to see that the CONs are not capable of writing their own budget so borrowed from the liberals.
Have faith, be patient, & hang in their. Canadians aren’t stupid. They ultimately choose the underdogs & so shall I.
Regards,
Irene
By Kevin on 02.27.08 10:18 pm
Your comment offers nothing more than simple proof that NCC/New Con propaganda works.
By John G on 02.27.08 10:41 pm
Makes one wonder what they offered David Emerson to roll over. How much money did they offer Emerson to cut a billion off the books from softwood lumber that saw $350 million go directly to the Whitehouse Republicans… that’s all true by the way, and that yet to break scandal dwarfs this one.
If anyone was dirty in politics, it was David Emerson. As an MLA in BC, the less than honorable Emerson took provincial financial knowledge as deputy treasurer, made a couple phone calls to a couple banks missing on key leadership with strong balance sheets and merged both banks winding up as a CEO for millions in shares. Then David Emerson went back into public life as a politician and did it again, this time as CEO of Canfor. Both cabinet positions Emerson held gave him privy information that less than 10 people would have known in both cases. The share offerings to himself and his directors in Canfor were some of the highest percentages per market cap in corporate history.
How much did the Republican Conservatives offer Emerson to cross the floor and sell Canada out which he is doing still to this day? And what kind of a leader would recruit such a dirty politician for a U.S. sellout agenda?
I guess in John G’s view, people who are dead from the head up is defined as those who aren’t on the take. In my view, its people like John who would support those who are on the take. I’m sure John doesn’t see it that way, but thats just how it is when one doesn’t know right from wrong.
http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/boag-2cadman080227.mov
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/27/cadman-book.html
So our political system and its politicians have to come this. Throw out accusations and allegations at their opponents. The hell with doing real work in Parliament, eh?
It’s no wonder most of the Canadian public have a high disregard and disgust of the politicians.
And btw, I have long ago stop regarding our main stream media in a good light. My opinion was cemented when I saw the circus that happened when Chuck Cadman was going into the House for that 2005 vote. The media behaved like a bunch of VULTURES surrounding their prey, Chuck Cadman! It was pretty disgusting.
Harper will bribe his way to power and lie to keep it. Surely Canada deserves better than this banana republic-like thug.
Will the real Benedict Harper please stand up?
Keeping in mind the act Harper gave us with Donsanjh and Grewal (remember the incident of tempering with evidence?), I’d say this is a fine example of the ethics of Harper and his conservative thugs. Hope the RCMP looks into this.
Deceivin’ Stephen says:
“I am not a crook.”
Yeah, right Stevie.
Your government is as clean as three-week old underwear.
Thanks Garth, your words really do echo those of other news reports with enlightenment and thoughtful meanings. You mentioned his dedicated followers, for those who stand in the barn yard with Steve Harper you will now have to defend him as ordered knowing you are no better. Shame. For those on this blog and do the same you do so at the risk of your own self respect. The sad part is you will be taking your family name down with you into the gutters of Steve Harper’s Quest for Kingdom.
Actually, Mr. Turner, I would rather hope that the Opposition gives full priority to this affair. Hound Harper over this everyday, every question. Debate the budget and Afghanistan but ceaselessly question the prime minister on this.
Now Garth I think you need to step back and think a bit. Don’t think too hard you might burn out that pea size brain of yours. What insurance company will insure a dying man. It sound like there was a offer made, but who made it and what was the offer. Is there any documentation or witnesses.Was it Harper or some over zealous people. You know some people do crazy things and until you know all the facts you should not jump to conclusions. If this happened, why is Cadman’s wife running for the CPC, too many unknowns. Harper is to smart to have anything to do with this and you know that. Your personal hate for Harper has become sicking and just proves how much of a little man you are .
Nice spin session, trolls. It is pathetic and inappropriate on GARTH’S PART to discuss this? I guess the laws of the land apply only to Liberals. I certainly hope this will be thoroughly investigated. Imagine the outcry if the shoe was on the other foot and it was the Liberals who had tried to buy a dying man’s vote!
Hmm. Nothing about the alleged bribe on CTV news website this morning? Wonder if “the old Duff”, as Mike so fondly refers to himself, will even give it a mention?
Time to pull the plug, Garth.
“Dona Cadman, who is now running for the Conservatives in the Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North…”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080227.wcadmann0227/BNStory/National/home
Ed, she’s running for the Cons. How does she reconcile that with her story and her possible position in the same party?
By TS on 02.27.08 11:05 pm
Dear TS,
It is easy for Dona Cadman to reconcile running for the Conservative Party with her release of this information:
Dona Cadman is a Conservative Stephen Harper is NOT!!!
Sincerely,
MB
Considering stories like this one, with dictator Heir Harper’s penchant for firing public servants and his recent “sneaking in” of new CON party hacks as CBC directors, one can see that the CBC will likely be muzzled soon too.
His advice to you, Garth, would be to move on, and to forget this pettiness already. Mudslinging at PMSH is getting you nowhere in a hurry.
By Ike on 02.27.08 10:15 pm
Ike, your patronage issues are at the forefront again. Do you realize that you just did the exact thing you are criticizing? Again.
Because you pressed the flesh, you feel you can speak for the deceased? This is Garth’s blog, and of course you know you have free will. Read it or not.
You know the LPC don’t really need you to help them to look bad. They are accomplishing that all by themselves.
Wake up everybody,just imagine the sales boost for this book.I think we all know where the cash will go.
This is a sad tale, seemingly in character with the impressions I have been forming over time. If a libel lawsuit is launched against either the newspaper, the reporter, or Mrs. Cadman, that will confirm that the essence of the story is true.
After all, the more true the allegation is, the more libellous it is.
The words bribe and scandal seem to be part of the tory brand name now. Good job from our clean new government.
1Conservatives made million-dollar offer to MP Cadman: book
Last Updated: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 | 11:59 PM ET
CBC New
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/27/cadman-book.html
2Mulroney reverses earlier call, wants planned royal commission dropped
Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, February 28, 2008
OTTAWA -Reversing his earlier call for a public inquiry, former prime minister Brian Mulroney, pictured, is now urging the Harper government to drop its plans to hold a royal commission into his cash dealings with businessman Karlheinz Schreiber.
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=339192
3Tory appointments hit monthly all-time high
Amid election chatter, cabinet hands out 234 jobs in busiest 30 days since 2006
Glen McGregor, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Thursday, February 28, 2008
The Harper cabinet handed out more appointments to federal jobs over the last 30 days than in any other month since the Conservatives formed the government in 2006.
Amid election speculation, the cabinet made 234 appointments to boards, councils, tribunals and other jobs since mid-January, a Citizen analysis of Privy Council Office records shows. In its previous busiest month, April 2007, cabinet made 155 appointments
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=eaeb14c5-e1fe-4f03-89fd-79172eb247c9
4Harper aide investigated by ethics commissioner
Elizabeth Thompson , Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, February 27, 2008
OTTAWA – Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Quebec adviser and deputy press secretary is under investigation by the government’s ethics commissioner in connection with allegations that he tried to intervene in a dispute that pitted the Department of Public Works against a Montreal developer
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=92c089db-61db-49c8-847d-ea569900ae3d&k=4560
5The O’Brien / Kilrea / Baird scandal
A collection of articles and commentary regarding the mayor of Ottawa before and since he was charged with influence peddling.
http://www.yayacanada.com/obrien0.html
I’m sure most people must be aware of the “cockroach theory” or the “tip of the iceberg” axiom.
What you see is only a small portion of the whole.
The CON corruption stories that have been made public, including this one, are but a few cockroaches and are just the tip of the iceberg.
It is likely that most will never see the light of day and be revealed to the public at large.
The filth in Harper’s government runs deep.
Unfortunately, only sterilization through election will cleanse this CRAP.
Mr Turner
This is an allegation and no one is guilty until it is proven.
You are now doing exactly what you have been accusing Harper and the conservatives of doing over the past few months.
I read your comments to the press about the budget and how Harper answered Mr Dion’s question. I heard the questions from Mr Dion and they were not asked in a very nice manner to expect a nice response. I think the PM has gone out of his way the past few days to be overly accommadating.
Mr Dion has taken a position he did not have to take and still can vote against the budget.
If he Nr Dion did not appreciate the answers then do the right thing and vote the budget down and lets get to the polls.
As I stated yesterday Mr Dion’s problem is to figure out how he is going to handle his own non confidence vote and the vote on the budget to ensure the government is not defeated.
The non confidence montion sounds like it was written by someone in kindergarden. The NDP may swallow the proposed poision pill that the Liberal have inserted hoping they vote against it. If so we could be heading to the polls. There will be a lot of head counting on the day of the vote. I will be watching.
Just when I thought you couldn’t do it, you’ve sunk to a new low.
I’m truly ashamed for you.
How about being ashamed of those who tried to buy a vote in Parliament? What are citizens worth when political parties do such things? — Garth
Well it looks like Del Mastro and Flaherty will get reelected.Finley will not be so lucky.Hard to believe that Harper is ignoring her riding.
Peterborough to Recieve Highspeed rail
Toronto transit officials upset, surprised as budget promises service to city of 80,000
Feb 28, 2008 04:30 AM
Tess Kalinowski
Isabel Teotonio
staff reporters
http://www.thestar.com/News/FederalBudget/article/307725
Tobacco growers ‘angry, frustrated’; Crisis ignored in federal budget
Posted By Monte Sonnenberg
Posted 53 mins ago
Nearly 200 tobacco growers and their families gathered at the Simcoe office of Haldimand-Norfolk MP Diane Finley Wednesday to protest the federal budget.
Federal officials hinted recently that this week’s budget would address growers’ demand for a quota buyout. However, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty made no mention of the crisis in tobacco country.
“This is a very tough day for us,” Tom McElhone
http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=920931&auth=Monte+Sonnenberg
TWO LONG YEARS
It’s now been two long years since a small group of disgruntled aboriginal protesters took over the unfinished former Douglas Creek Estates housing development in Caledonia. Protesters plan to mark the anniversary today with a pot luck gathering and say they’re prepared to continue their occupation for as long as it takes. Spokeswoman Hazel Hill says the protest is about more than just land and getting more rights for aboriginal people. She says it’s about protecting the earth’s water and green space for future generations. Hill says she knows the occupation is making life uncomfortable for the people of Caledonia. But she says aboriginals have been robbed of their land and oppressed for hundreds of years. Premier Dalton McGuinty says there’s nothing he can do to resolve the land claim issues, and the only person who can make things happen is Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Posted by Renee Berube on 2008/2/28
http://www.cd989.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=3
Wow…watching this story on Canada AM this morning – the first thing that came to my mind was “I bet Garth Turner will leech onto this story”…low and behold.
The reality is i don’t know of any insurance company that would underwrite any policy, that alone a million dollar policy for a dying man.
Canada AM also reported that his wife had no knowledge of such an offer.
Section 11 (d) of the charter of rights and freedoms Garth.
Better change the channel. Mr. Cadman’s wife has confirmed the details. — Garth
“We’ll find a way to not defeat the government”
who said that? Stephane Dion.
Canada’s newest CPC supporter – and we don’t need him to cross the floor!
Boy, the CPC trolls are truly missing the point here. No one, no one, would know Mr. Cadman better than his wife and if she didn’t want stuff dredged up and thought her husband wouldn’t – she wouldn’t have said this to the writer.
I think she is deliberately letting people know the scummy part of politics on her husband’s behalf – otherwise, she’d have kept quiet.
It is for her and her family to judge – not us.
It just points out to me how much more honourable the man was.
There comes a time when we have to grow up, stop being partisan and respect people for who they are no matter what political stripe they are – both Cadman and Casey come to mind, even though they are conservative, independent or whatever.
And, to think that the party could spend $1 million and offer perks without Harper’s approval is truly naive.
Mr. Cadman, you get more respect each and every day – what a wonderful legacy, a politician that has principles. You’re name should come up and come up often to show people what honest and honourable is.
How about being ashamed of those who tried to buy a vote in Parliament? What are citizens worth when political parties do such things? — Garth
I’m speachless. You’ve gone off the deep end. All I see from you now are half-truths and unsubstantiated facts.
This is my last post. I’m disgusted.
Watch that door on your way out. It’s righteous. — Garth
How about being ashamed of not doing your job and constantly cowering when the tories are around.At least Mr.Cadman stood up for what he believed in.You lieberals just keep running away and then come up with a hundred excuses for your wimpy behavior.As I’ve said before,if you are not prepared to oppose,then shut the hell up!The NDP can easily take over as official opposition.At least they stand up for what they believe in.They also don’t prop a dead man up in front of the media cameras to deflect the stink of inaction off of themselves.
By the original Bob R
When the Liberals do something that is wrong the Cons are all over the place condemning them.
When the Conservatives do sleazy things they blame it on the Globe & Mail.
Kids in Kindergarten are more rational than Cons
The original Bob R.
Garth you been holding out on us. It seems that the CPC has a standard insurance policy offered to everyone working a event, its maximum coverage is a $1,000,000. If Cadman joined the CPC he would automatically be covered under this policy, but you knew this Garth didn’t you. Cadman was probably told of the benefit’s of being a member of the CPC and this insurance policy is one of them. There is nothing illegal about this, this is why Cadman never reported this to the media.
Wha? You jest, of course. Nobody offered me a million dollar policy. Maybe that’s just to insure those who drank the Kool-Aid. — Garth
By Catherine on 02.28.08 4:56 am
And to the rest of you Con. supporters,
Garth is mearly repeating the acussation contained in a book.
He has added his spin, based on his experience of Mr. Harper and his gang of thugs.
Perception is everything and my perception of Mr. Harper is that his ethics and morals are secondary to his lust for a majority. I wouldn’t want to be a CPC worker calling on behalf of Dave Van K.. The short answer, “No, not now, not ever, never!”
But two questions:
1. Will Harper open an inquiry into the allegations as Paul Martin did for Adscam? (Not holding breath!)
2. No insurance company would issue an issurance policy for even $1 on a person such as Mr. Cadman given his medical condition at the time. (Not even a group insurance plan) So who was going to pay the $1 million, CPC coffers or the government after the CPC were elected?
The teflon’s wearing off and the CRAP is starting to stick. This allegation of bribary for a vote in the HoC will hang around Harper’s neck, heavier than adscam every did on the Libs.
Mr. Dion may have limited his options when he declared that the budget had nothing in it that waranted bringing down the government. I think he knows the longer he waits, the more Harper will have to answer for this type of CRAP his party keeps throwing.
To the CPC MP’s, hope you have a day job waiting, you’re going to need it.
The motive? Because it’s illegal? Unethical? Because votes in the House of Commons aren’t for sale? Because it shows terrible judgment? Take your pick. — Garth
Careful here Garth. This story, is 100% b.s.
1) What insurance company do you know that will give a $1 million dollar policy under any circumstances to a known dying man?
2)Who were the CPC member that offered this bribe?
3)Mr. Cadman himself told Mike Duffy that the ONLY thing that was ever offered to him was that he could run unopposed for the CPC in the next election.
It’s a pretty sad day when the LPOC would stoop to such low levels to gain political points. Obviously, they took this story and ‘ran’ with it, like you are doing now without checking out any facts. Kind of like looking at porn in the HoC. This time they are using a dead man and calling HIM a liar.
Tell us Garth, was Mr. Cadman a liar?
I truly am disgusted. Leasa
So am I. The story, by the way, did not come from Liberals, but Mr. Cadman’s biographer. — Garth
This is my last post. I’m disgusted.
By Lex Luthor on 02.28.08 8:04 am
Promises Promises!
Better change the channel. Mr. Cadman’s wife has confirmed the details. — Garth
NOW she confirms the ‘details’ but does not know who the CPC members were or which insurance company sells million dollar policies to dying men? Wow…careful Garth…something really smells here. She is saying that her husband lied to Mike Duffy? Now? You know as well as I do that no insurance company in the world would sell insurance to a dying man.
So, okay…according to the LPOC Mr. Cadman was a liar. Garth, you are way too smart to buy into this kind of dirty politics.
Since we are now throwing out more unsubstantiated allegations: I have to wonder, what’s on the table here for Ms. Cadman? Will she be running for the LPOC?
Leasa
She’s a Conservative candidate. — Garth
So am I. The story, by the way, did not come from Liberals, but Mr. Cadman’s biographer. — Garth
But your party and you are running with it. Leasa
Globe and Mail, National Post, Canadian Press, Toronto Star, CTV, CBC. — Garth
Garth: You have indeed stooped to the lowest level yet.Why not have the guts and pull the plug on the Conservatives and go to the polls.With a story such as this you have the Cons on the run…..go for it!!!By the way is Elizabeth May joining you in Halifax this week-end? Sure wish I could be there…should be great event.You sure have alot of amunition to slag Harper with.
I am so completely upset by this dirty story. I’ll believe it when:
1) The insurance company is named.
2) The CPC members involved are named.
3) It is fully explained why Mr. Cadman would tell such a bold-faced lie to Mike Duffy, on T.V. for all to see.
Really, this kind of mud slinging makes me want to hurl. Leasa
Sick, abhorrent, twisted, convoluted and partisan responses are so typical of truth and science denying CON hacks.
In brief, the CON motto is:
LIE. CONCEAL. FABRICATE.
By RAK on 02.28.08 8:11 am
He is right about one thing, and I’m surprised the Con Patrol weren’t bright enough to think of it. Any organization that has group benefits can extend them to members. Often its automatic. When you are one of the “Parties that run the country”, quote from Mr. Harper, you can exert certain influence and are afforded certain latitudes.
You are applying the rules as they apply to individuals. Such is not the case here!
Anyway, there is a lot of room for speculation at this point and it’s worth what it’s worth.
Look at the Mulroney/Schrieber show. Now that financial records are being called for, Mulroney doesn’t want to play anymore. His “PEOPLE” say there is no proof. The proof is in the financial records that he doesn’t want to produce.
Round and round the Mulberry bush, the Monkey chased the Weasel…
Everyone is missing the point here. The majority of posters from both parties on this blog sound off in the same manner that one sees on Q/P. Mudslinging extraordinare.
I see ordinary citizens in a theater watching on stage the political parties with their mud piles beside them. Name it and it’s slung…only low and behold the audience is leaving the auditorium, and none of you see it because you’re so immersed in your own punditry. Voter turn out low, polls iffy, no wonder why.
Being a life long Liberal myself, I have on occasion spoiled a ballot. Why, because they’re supposed to be counted and it’s my way of saying I have no confidence in the government.
So, Garth, if you guys won’t stand up, how about tabling a non-confidence motion from us. How many names do you need and has it ever been done before? We need a citizen revolt!
Wait a minute people!!
Does anyone know anything about Life Insurance? There is no Life Insurance company on the earth that would sell a Million dollar policy to a man near death!! This story does not make any sense. In fact he would not be able to get any kind of life insurance policy for any amount unless he was put in a group plan.
Secondly – his wife is now a candidate for the Conservative Party????
Thirdly – If this article by Garth Turner isn’t a vicious smear then I don’t know what is. People including Turner can make any accusation they so choose to condemn and convict their target knowing full well that person will not defend themselves.
This is not a court or even an exchange between two parties – It is an all out slander blog that somehow satisfies the lower nature of some people.
Ethically, a bribe is a bribe, whether it’s $1M or a cabinet appointment (say, Public Works and Services Canada). We should not be surprised that “allegations” surface now and then. Personally, I wondered what the Libs had offered him when I saw Mr. Cadman stand with the Liberals during that vote.
My admiration for Chuck Cadman is tempered only by the inconsistency of his wife running for the offending party. I would love a cogent explanation. Trying to advance “conservative” values via that Conservative Party is not it.
And to our Troll Patrol: Your “shock” is shameless, but we know that you can’t afford shame in your line of work.
I wonder if Zytaruk has Harper on tape.
“it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election”
I don’t know the laws about this stuff, but there’s something not right about that.
one with friends in high places.
Garth I had to reread your post, you clearly state that it was a 1 million dollar Insurance policy. You will have to elaborate to clarify that, even the rabid left will not believe that insurance can be taken out when death is near.
This is not a court or even an exchange between two parties – It is an all out slander blog that somehow satisfies the lower nature of some people.
By Ken on 02.28.08 8:42 am
So why do you come here? Again and again. Bugger for punishment? Just wondering.
I thought at one time Mrs. Cadman was considering running for the NDP – I think perhaps it might be about the crime bill which has been a mission of the Cadmans since they lost their son.
The NDP are not exactly crime fighters we all know.
Sadly, it may take more revelations of CON filth and treachery, along with more time, before Canadians finally and truly clue-in to this CON Carnival Of Crookedness.
Blimy, it took years before the Yanks clued in to George W’s wickedness.
By Ike on 02.27.08 10:25 pm
Who are you and who do you work for within the CPC? Be hopnest now, as you are so apt to demand of others.
This is not a court or even an exchange between two parties – It is an all out slander blog that somehow satisfies the lower nature of some people.
By Ken on 02.28.08 8:42 am
So why do you come here? Again and again. Bugger for punishment? Just wondering.
By Greg on 02.28.08 8:52 am
Good point!
Garth,
Thanks for this topic. It clearly shows how the Harper groupies cannot comprehend the term ‘ethics’, much less ‘illegal’, or anything else to do with proper conduct.
They are some sicko puppies, but then we have known that by watching Caesar Disgustus for two years.
I hope the slimeballs who went to Chuck Cadman are publically identified and disgraced, just as they have disgraced the HoC and Canadians who conduct their lives with honour. But that would require they have a conscience.
Apparently the only ‘family values’ and values whatsoever the Harper CONservatives have are akin to the family values of the Mafia, and corrupt power.
Harper may be surrounded by yes men but that is not a point they’re going to push. Its called fraud, and its quite possible. In some ways its the most credible part of the story.
I am so completely upset by this dirty story. I’ll believe it when:
1) The insurance company is named.
2) The CPC members involved are named.
3) It is fully explained why Mr. Cadman would tell such a bold-faced lie to Mike Duffy, on T.V. for all to see.
Really, this kind of mud slinging makes me want to hurl. Leasa
By Leasa on 02.28.08 8:30 am
Yes these questions do need to be answered:
But
1. No insurance company would cover Mr. Cadman, not even the CPC policy, if they knew of his condition. They would just return his premiums!
2. This is like Adscam. They will remain faceless until investigation exposes them.
3. Given his condition and the stress his family was under, why would Mr. Cadman want to expose them to the full rath of Harper and his goons, not to mention the spotlight of the media?
Of course, the whole story could be a bunch of lies. However, the writer of the biography is setting himself up for one mighty large liable suit if this is the case.
But in the court of public opinion, where the innocent until guilty precept doesn’t apply, its upto Mr. Harper to disprove the allegations.
May 2005? Who was at the Party at that time? Ian Brodie? Doug Finley? Would they do anything without clearing with Harper first?
By brain on 02.27.08 10:36 pm
BRAVO! Man, you said the truth exactly on the mark.
Well, well – I just took a boo at the Blogging Tories – only “one” is talking about it and seems upset – only “one”.
Also, Bourque – not big, large overdone headline on it.
About the insurance policy – did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps the CPC didn’t think Cadman would understand that, like he was stupid?
A direct quote from the lieberals star deadman(and I don’t mean Dion)”there were no offers on the table for anything,from anybody.”That is from the man himself.Try to drag yourselves out of the gutter and let the poor man rest in peace.You are the ones that remind me of Dubya and his sorts.
Garth … this is an unexected gift from heaven !!!!
If the Liberal party does not pull the trigger on the Conservative government, people will think you are in collusion in some cynical way. It is your duty to vote no confidence in the Budget now..!!
Mulroney and $300,000 .. Cadman and $1 million … what more do you need ???
All decent-minded Canadians want .. nay demand .. that this illegitimate Harper government be overthrown at the polls.
GARTH .. IF YOUR LIBERAL COLLEAGUES CONTINUE TO PROP UP THE HARPER GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE LETTING DOWN ALL DECENT CANADIANS WHO EXPECT MORE. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED … JUST DO IT ..!!!
This is really a sad tale that is difficult to respond to but it adds to what appears to be a pattern of bribery within the establishment parties. Does anyone think that David Emerson would have crossed the floor without the promise of a cabinet position or Belinda Stronach or Scott Brison?
When things like this happen they are often swept under the carpet because the main opponent does not want their own dirty laundry examined and there is always the danger of that happening.
This is why it is another sad day for out political system. When a person believes that the operation of the “free market” and “self-interest” represents morality then the buying and selling of influence becomes ethical in their mind.
With the pervasiveness of that ideology political power becomes just another commodity for sale or purchase in the marketplace. Most of us recognize that, but those of us that believe that our political system should confirm to legal and ethical guidelines are at loss as to what can be done.
Note that the wording of the PMO press release says that Harper did not “direct” such an offer. That is careful wording and the rest of the story suggests that while he did not “direct” the offer, he did not prohibit it from being made.
“So this is what the liberals are stooping to?Trying to make points by talking about things that happened years ago with a man that is now dead?”
-Bob R.
Oh, so Conservatives have a monopoly on talking about the past? Why was I not CC’d on the memo?
Garth,
No doubt, how Cadman was treated by the CPC, and subsequently, allegedly, bribed by the CPC with Harper’s knowledge (allegedly) is simply the M.O. of Harper and the people around him. I know his power philosophy very well.
As for my frustration with the Liberal Party Elite. Although I don’t doubt that they’re good people, struggling and straining in a low-budget environment – well, welcome to excuse city. I’m demanding better. They’re in the “big time” now.
Thanks again Garth for being part of the solution.
WE NEED AN ELECTION NOW, ASAP, PRONTO, NEXT WEEK …. COME ON LIBERALS, VOTE DOWN THIS ILLEGITIMATE HARPER GOVERNMENT .. AND DON’T LISTEN TO ALL THOSE NERVOUS NELLIES … PULL THE TRIGGER ON HARPER AND HIS HENCHMEN … NOW NOW NOW …!!!
“The then-leader of the Opposition looked into the matter with party officials and could find no confirmation.” – Buckler
Translated means: Harper checked the trail and let it go.
The man rolls heads like bowling balls. Job security is a function of inside information. Somebody knows something.
Oh me oh my…
The Harperites now want to gain more control over the media.
Tories plan to withhold funding for ‘offensive’ productions
Committee to decide whether material meets new criteria
GAYLE MACDONALD
From Thursday’s Globe and Mail
February 28, 2008 at 2:07 AM EST
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wheritage28/BNStory/Entertainment/home
Goodbye Rick Mercer?
Goodbye Air Farce?
Goodbye David Suzuki?
Goodbye to anyone who disagrees with the Con message?
Stinks of “Goebbels”….
This is another one of those all-too-frequent moments when I ask myself, what will it take for this country to turn on Harper? It is utterly inconceivable to me that it has not. I feel deeply unsettled, as though realizing my optimistic view of my fellow citizens has been a delusion.
I am sure Harper people donating to the conservatives are loving that their money is going to brib people.
http://jimcotton.blogspot.com/2008/02/1-million.html
Re:Duane W on 02.28.08 8:51 am
Much of this one million could be a group insurance conversion benefit and thus would be non- medical.
Million seems pretty high though.
Garth is it posible to get the life conversion benefit that high when going from party member to independent?
Is there some kind of loop- hole?
Harper has almost finished digging his own grave; why not let him finish this job as well by burying himself?
By Charles Oxley on 02.28.08 1:00 am
Charles, thanks for a visual idea. I will cast my ballot, when the election comes, and envision it being a handful of dirt thrown onto Harper’s coffin! I really like that vision. It depicts action, something that is long overdue regarding this traitor Harper.
And I hope someone in law enforcement tracks down the policy and who obtained it, and under what false statements? Such an act is a crime. But then every damn thing Harper and his Goon Squad does is either legally or ethically.
Right now the hardest thing for me is to have the patience, and hold onto my belief that Dion KNOWS things, and is waiting, just waiting for the proper moment to pull the lever and watch Harper and his entire damn party hang.
When that happens they will be no more, and will never rise again. Maybe we will even see a new truly progressive conservative party rise?
It is puzzling to reconcile this revelation of attempted vote buying with regard to the late and honorable Mr. Cadman, when his widow is apparently a Conservative candidate. However, if true, it came at a time when the Conservative party was pummeling the Liberals every day over ethics questions and claiming they would provide “clean and accountable” government. If Conservatives claim a higher standard they have to be prepared to live up to it, no one, whatever their political leanings is going to accept hypocrisy.
Sounds like he was offered all the perks of being an MP with the party. Didn’t you have life insurance coverage when you were with the CPC Garth?
No. — Garth
Bill-Muskoka .. join me on this one ..!!!
It’s time for the Canadian court of public opinion to pass judgement on this illegitimate Harper government .. and the Dion Liberals must pull the trigger on the Budget and vote no confidence.
If Liberals hesitate, a great opportunity will be lost .. and that’s what I think MP Garth is telling us with his weblog article.
ELECTION NOW ..!!!
But was it available to you through the party? I understand you probably have your house in order but was it available to those who wanted to take advantage of it?
It’s a pretty sad day when the LPOC would stoop to such low levels to gain political points. Obviously, they took this story and ‘ran’ with it, like you are doing now without checking out any facts. Kind of like looking at porn in the HoC. This time they are using a dead man and calling HIM a liar.
Tell us Garth, was Mr. Cadman a liar?
I truly am disgusted. Leasa
So am I. The story, by the way, did not come from Liberals, but Mr. Cadman’s biographer. — Garth
By Leasa on 02.28.08 8:15 am
Leasa,
Is that “disgustED” or “disgustING”?
You are really stretching it this time. No one is calling Mr Cadman a liar. But, you, by implication, are calling his bereaved widow a liar. Have you no shame? No sensitivity? Typical.
NO ONE STOOPED LOWER THAN YOU DID WHEN YOU IMPLIED THAT PIERRE TRUDEAU WAS A NAZI!
Hypocrisy thy name is Leasa.
So am I. The story, by the way, did not come from Liberals, but Mr. Cadman’s biographer. — Garth
But your party and you are running with it. Leasa
Globe and Mail, National Post, Canadian Press, Toronto Star, CTV, CBC. — Garth
By Leasa on 02.28.08 8:26 am
funny, Paul Martin wrote the foreward for the book.
Shake your head…how can you get ANY insurance policy on a dying man?
Story sounds fishy to me.
It is embarassing to see m. Dion ridiculed by PMSH in the HoC. If you (Liberal Party) want to look like you have the strength to govern, it behooves you to show some grit and stand up for your own respect. No need to shout, just show the rest of Canada that you will not accept childish treatment.
Kind of like looking at porn in the HoC.
By Leasa on 02.28.08 8:15 am
Have you forgotten that it was your very own James Moore that was caught looking at scantily clad pictures of his girl friend.
Did you get so intoxicated with your own verbosity that you forgot? Be careful, you may get deductions from your pay slip!
Flim-Flam Dim-Jim No Tax Savings Spawns Venture Capitalists
http://corrigan.ca/feb28-08.gif
Wait a minute people!!
Does anyone know anything about Life Insurance? There is no Life Insurance company on the earth that would sell a Million dollar policy to a man near death!!
By Ken on 02.28.08 8:42 am
Thats not exactly true, Ken. Any CEO of any insurance company can sell life insurance to whomever they want to. The question you should be asking is… why would any insurance company knowingly take a million dollar loss unless… they had something to gain such as a much greater market share of the Canadian market.
Don’t kid yourselves for one minute that a U.S. insurance company or group of them wouldn’t have cut a cheque to Harper for a million in a heart beat if it meant a Conservative majority.
Haven’t you all heard of the National Citizens Coalition? Christ, it was founded in this nation by U.S. insurance and oil companies initially in the 60′s By Colin Brown (CEO of a U.S. insurance corp) to destroy medicare (for U.S. insurance corp market share) and energy ownership of our resources. Harper was president of this organization for 5 years befor stepping down to become leader. What on earth do people think Harpers objectives were in being president to the most powerful U.S. mulinational lobby group Canada has ever had to face? Do you all not know that the NCC has cost us several billion in taxpayers dollars to defend court challenges over the last couple decades alone?
The polls at the time of Cadman’s single vote had the Liberals at an all time low and Cons at a majority. We were one vote away from losing this nation as we know it and even now, bits and pieces are being stripped away by this Republican/New Con bunch of criminals.
The saddest part of it all is the troll reactions on this site by New Con supporters. Most of them smear the messanger, thinking its just a small story… their only regret with Harper being that he got caught, that something might actually stick.
As for Mrs. Cadman being a Conservative… they had better start fearing her power from here on in. I highly doubt that Mrs Cadman joined the Conservative party to support this current leader.
All of us in Canada had better start waking up to some signifigant facts here. A political brand is only as good as the people that contribute to it. There’s a difference between a crooked party and crooked politicians, eh? (and that includes crooked propagandist supporters)
Chuck was a Reformer or had you all forgotten? He was also an indie. That was the what of what he was in politics. Who was he in politics? He was Chuck Cadman, a man of immense integrity. The who trumps the what, people. Remember it well when you think of Harper’s own morality and the New Cons who have no vision beyond Harpers NCC agenda.
By maybe Rhino? on 02.28.08 9:38 am
I note you did not include THH22M? Probably because they have been doing a Dion bashing for a while now.
Be careful about comparing Harper’s techniques to history though, because it really upsets the milktoast trolls who can’t handle reality!
I’m surprised Harper hasn’t set a uniform standard yet for all his minions! I wonder what colour he would choose? CRAP = brown. Perfect!
Maybe some of you have become too hung up on the term “insurance policy.” It can also be used as a generic term.
1. No insurance company would cover Mr. Cadman, not even the CPC policy, if they knew of his condition. They would just return his premiums!
By James- Chatham on 02.28.08 9:05 am
James, you don’t have to provide medical evidence or history for employees/associates joining a group medical plan with life benefits etc. Also, the benefits / payouts are contingent on the plan you choose.
I had employee programs from 2 different insurers and never had to supply medical info. I belonged to 2 other programs, and same there as well. In one case, an employee of approx 8 weeks passed away due to illness, and I was told the insurer paid the benefit. It wasn’t a million dollars though.
” Because its illegal?, unethical?,and shows terrible judgement.”
and yet Garth with your actions , you continue to support and maintain the current gov’t in power.
What does that say about your judgement?
one with friends in high places.
By Brian Dondo on 02.28.08 8:50 am
Precisely, and they would have written it off as a campaign contribution, as we have seeen done before by the CRAP. Elections Canada still is looking into that little foray.
If it was an American company, or cross border one, they would escape Canada’s campaign contribution laws, unless they were audited by the IRS, CRA, or Elections Canada.
This new scandal has really got the cons up in arms doesn’t it?
Leasa and Harry .
PMO denies trying to bribe dying MP Cadman
Updated Thu. Feb. 28 2008 10:33 AM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
The Prime Minister’s Office has rejected allegations that independent MP Chuck Cadman was offered a bribe in May 2005 to vote against the Liberal government, a move that would have brought down the government and triggered an election.
According to a forthcoming biography of Cadman, who has since succumbed to cancer, he was offered a $1 million life insurance policy if he sided with the Tories, then in opposition, to vote against the Liberals.
Cadman rejected the offer, according to Vancouver journalist Tom Zytaruk in his book “Like a Rock: The Chuck Cadman Story”, a copy of which was obtained by The Globe and Mail.
The book attributes the claims to Cadman’s wife Dona, but Cadman himself never publicly made any such allegations.
The story has been denied by Sandra Buckler, director of communications for Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
“The then Leader of the Opposition at no time directed any party official to make any kind of financial arrangement with Chuck Cadman,” she said in a statement, adding that Harper met with Cadman’s widow on Sept. 9, 2005, and was asked by her about the accusation.
Later on the same day, Zytaruk contacted Harper and also asked about the story, Buckler said.
“The then Leader of the Opposition looked into the matter with party officials and could find no confirmation. And that is the last time he heard anything regarding this matter,” she said.
During an appearance on CTV’s COUNTDOWN in May 2005, Cadman told host Mike Duffy that rumours he had been offered an unopposed nomination in his B.C. riding by Conservative officials, were true.
“The discussions did come up,” he admitted on the show. “The talk did come up, yeah.”
Cadman said he declined the offer, however. He made no mention of any other proposals.
“That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody,” he added, rebuffing suggestions he made a deal to throw his support behind the Liberals.
“There were no offers on that table up to that point, on anything from anybody.”
Dona Cadman is now running for the Conservatives in the Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080228/cadman_bribe_AM_080228/20080228?hub=TopStories
May 2005? Who was at the Party at that time? Ian Brodie? Doug Finley? Would they do anything without clearing with Harper first?
By Anonymous on 02.28.08 9:07 am
Both have been accused of the same thing before. They are currently under investigation for the Ottawa mayor scandal.
BTW,Mrs. Cadman is , (WAS) a conservative candidate.
By maybe Rhino? on 02.28.08 9:38 am
That story is something else. More censorship by the world according to Conservatives.
And the latest Canadian taxpayer giveaway to U.S. corps? Looks like they’ve got Monte Solberg all trained up.
http://thetyee.ca/News/2008/02/25/JobSkillMoney/
By C. B. Innes on 02.28.08 9:24 am
“This is why it is another sad day for out political system. When a person believes that the operation of the “free market” and “self-interest” represents morality then the buying and selling of influence becomes ethical in their mind.”
Sad, but true. When the pursuit of self interests trumps the very nature of public service, there is no other word to decribe this kind of unethical mentality than the word “corrupt”.
By Harry S on 02.28.08 9:16 am
For once, there is some truth in what you say.
If Dion isn’t ready to pull the plug now, he never will be. The last thing the Libs need is to go into a scheduled election giving Harper the opportunity to say his minority government weathered the storm and completed a full term as a minority.
Mr Garth TurnerMP,
‘It’s amoral and distasteful.Also illegal’.
Also remember all the other lies we have heard and seen commited.
An election may be the best why to inform the masses and get the word out
to more voters?
Canada doesn’t have an impeachment prosses to get ride of crimminal and very bad Governments, but we do have ALL the opposition MP’s. We need this Harper-gang Government to FALL NOW!
The Budget vote is still to happen.
Imagine! Why not now? Do what is right for everyone now!
There is nothing wrong with changing your mind and direction or your vote, if it is the right thing to do. Do it for your families future, as well as the common good of everyone, if you feel it’s the right thing to do.
All MP’s are only human, I hope there are all directed in there vote for the right reasons. No one has a cristal ball. Do the best you can with the information and wisdom you have now.
Thankyou again for trying to do what is best for the common good of everyone, to the best of your ability. Be a critical-thinker and consences builder, not just a blind fallower as the Harper-gang Neo-cons seem to be.
I’m ready and prepared to help get the word out in the next election.
Also looking forward to see the parties election plateform and plan to try and make Canada the best it might be in the future.
The big parties do not have a monopaly on ideas. WE the Canadian people need to be able to here all the major parties leaders on the election TV debate or they are just a farse.
I want to here the Leaders ideas in a debate of any party that could form our Government. In Canada we have one vote,
if a party have the most seats there leader than is out PM. Even is they only have a minority of the total votes going toward there party, like Harper.
Any Leaders that talk of free and fair elections and then take part in a debate that dicriminates agains any other major party can never be trusted fully. Do not every vote for then! Nothing they say can be trusted. Actions speak lowder than words.
Leave Harper to debate himself if the TV corporations discriminate against any other major Canadian party in the TV debates.
The opposition Leaders could decide to have a long debate on the Hill, and us CPAC to get it out. Invite Harper too.
Don’t let a few in the TV Corporations
decide who we can here! Is Canada really a free Country?
Prove it!
Just my two cents.
The facts re “Buying Chuck” are that his widow allowed ‘allegations’ re the Conservatives making her deceased husband ‘financial consideration’ to vote the way they wanted him to.
If the allegations are true, then I’m pretty sure the ethical Mr. Cadman would have stated offers were made to him & he refused them.
Ms. Cadman obviously wants to make money & including these allegations against the reigning government would certainly make her book more profitable.
What a stinking memorial to such an ethical & wonderful man as Chuck Cadman.
Hi Bob R. on 02.27.08 9:57 pm,
‘belief in myth avoids the discomfort of thought.’
You should check your faces on the santa thing.
I feel deeply unsettled, as though realizing my optimistic view of my fellow citizens has been a delusion.
By 300baud on 02.28.08 9:41 am
I have the same feeling, and even more sadly that the Canada I loved and felt so secure in when I immigrated has been taken over, temporarily only I hope, by another corrupt arsehole like Bush, only his name is Stephen Harper.
I thought Canadians were smarter than they have proven to be. They have no reason for what they have done. The Americans were forced by their outdated and corrupt Electoral College to have another helping of Bush. They flushed out the Congress and Senate, and will be doing the same to the White House come November.
Remember, remember, the 5th of November. The gun powder treason and plot!
Today that means Iraq, and WMD’s, and LIES, LIES, LIES, and more LIES by George Walker Bush!
We will soon be adding 9/11 to the list as the evidence comes out, and it is!
Canadians chose to be vengeful towards the Liberals, and that vengence has come back upon them in Harper and the NCC’s hidden agenda.
The Media are just as much at fault, if not more so.
Are you a critical-thinker?
Chuck Cadman must have told the Auther in order to get the story out to the people! Especialy if Harper do become PM one day!!! He, Mr Cadman wanted us to know, so we could act in our own self defence! Harpers-gang need to FALL so we can vote again!
You can help get the truth out tell your freinds. Help some good person get elected in your area!
By Harry S on 02.28.08 9:16 am
By Harry S on 02.28.08 9:29 am
By Harry S on 02.28.08 10:04 am
Is that your best shot? I suspect no cookie pack for you with your Happy Meal today.
BTW, that’s 3 times, same gup gup.
By Andrea Timmons on 02.28.08 10:44 am
Yes, Andrea… Ms. Cadman should have honored her deceased husband by denying the truth or lying instead. And most naturally, the million dollar offer wasn’t real so she had to lie about it to make money off of book royaties and then run for the Conservative party…
Uh huh… sure…
Looks like you’ve got it all figured out! Yes, lets smear the widow. Good one, Andrea. Nice touch.
I imagine Harper is seriously worried that there will be a way out before the next revelation comes out about his dealings?
I bet he is seriously sweating and anxious as to why Dion is waiting? I think Dion will explode the bomb when it is time, and this one will be Harper’s Hiroshima…POOF! A fitting end for someone who has treated Canadians like a mushrooms…his very own personal MUSHROOM!
Funny thing about life, everything we do becomes part of our own permanent record, and those who are corrupt live in a state of permanent paranoia scared that someone else might know what they did?
God’s little gift of justice from which there are no appeals, no deals, and no escape!
Right now we are witnessing Mulroney, Conrad Black, John Baird, Stephen Harper, McKay’s dad, Bush, Cheney, and a plethora of other high profile people, living in the prison they so carefully crafted for themselves.
Welcome to the Hotel California where you can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave!
They stabbed it with their steely knives but they couldn’t kill the beast!
That explains this Pull the plug, PM dares Dion The so typical tactics of a true Bully, who taunts and does so to save his own face and arse. When it doesn’t work, the Bully gets even angrier because he knows he is NOT in control, his opponent IS!
By Greg on 02.28.08 10:29 am
Your correct, for a group policy you don’t need to provide medical info.
But, two things insurance companies do do. First they have access to a medical information bank. Even if you don’t provide medical info. they will find it and can deny you coverage.
Secondly, many group plans work on the same basis as the “Guaranteed Life Plus” no medical questionnaire policies. Read the fine print. Limited benefits in the first two years, that is they’ll give you your money back if you die withing 2 years.
Did you know that many insurance companies refused to pay out to the families of the 9/11 attacks, using the “act of war” clause as the get out.
At that time, the question could be asked, “What war!”
Don’t get me started on insurance companies! Come to Chatham and I’ll tell you all about them!
Flim-Flam Dim-Jim No Tax Savings Spawns Venture Capitalists
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By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.28.08 10:18 am
Haaloo Pyotr .. is that you in the red toque .. could be you old RRussian .. !!
Who would give a $1M insurance policy to a dying man?
How about the Conservative Fund of Canada Insurance Group? Established and operating as required from time to time to look after particular policies, such as: if you die, Chuck, we’ll give your wife $1M if you do us this little favour. Or any insurance company, US or Canadian, prepared to do a big favour to a major political party – of course with no expectations of return whatsoerver.
Any political operative who couldn’t find a way of moving money should not be in business.
Ain’t politics grand, and isn’t the law an ass?
Yes you can buy a Million$$$ life insurance policy even if you are going to die in one week.
The premium for such a policy would be $1,005,000 .. and upon your demise the beneficiary gets $1 Million, and I believe it’s tax-free … or some such finagling … correct me if I’m wrong ….
ELECTION NOW …!!!!
By Greg W., Oakville on 02.28.08 10:43 am
I concur. No Elizabeth May…no watchy!
Most of the debates are a cock fight anyway. SSDD like the Eagles song ‘Life in The Fast Lane’ says ‘Everything, all the time!’
The Cadman scandal is no small bump in the road.
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/ontario/story.html?id=0af4f782-c154-49f3-b59c-bf98f092af6f&k=69447
Mr Chuck Cadman may have qualified for the PSMIP (Public Service Management Insurance Plan ) twice.
Once as a member of the Reform party and again as an independent.
Because of his unusual circumstances he would be allowed to convert it all at one time. In this case it could be close to a million dollars.
Check your MP group book.
Check your “faces” Greg?good comeback…for a moron
Macleans magazine March 10, 2008
‘Your grocery bills is about to hurt’
(sorry no link yet)
Could this have anything to due with
climate change and peak-oil issues.
We are quikly running out of time, if we are not already past the tipping point. Are you sheeple? Act or die!
Do you care about your family and other human beings? Are you informed and a critical -thinker?
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.28.08 11:15 am
I imagine Harper is seriously worried that there will be a way out before the next revelation comes out about his dealings?
+ + + + + + +
That explains this Pull the plug, PM dares Dion The so typical tactics of a true Bully, who taunts and does so to save his own face and arse. When it doesn’t work, the Bully gets even angrier because he knows he is NOT in control, his opponent IS!
…………………………………
NO NO NO … Billy-Boy … You gotta charge the enemy when you got them on the run, and with this Cadman debacle plus the Mulroney debacle … well if Dion is not able to convince the Liberal caucus to pull the trigger and vote no confidence on the Budget, all the momentum is lost.
Dion has got the Big Mo on his side, and we know that hawkish Garth wants an election asap .. so get with the program .!!!
Lead, follow or get outta the way … ELECTION NOW …!!!!
By Harry S on 02.28.08 11:26 am
Despite what insurance companies who advertise would have you believe, their policies are not the only one’s with tax free death benefits …ALL life insurance death benefits are tax free.
Why would you pay $1.005M for a $1M policy? You can buy it, but no one in their right mind would buy it!
Can we get the details of Harpers *investigation* a.s.a.p. and of course the Insurance policy exists somewhere.
I see there is true and obsessive desperation by a couple of the usual suspects here for an election. Just proves Dion is right, and the Liberal caucus KNOWS IT!
Either that or Iggy is trolling today? LOL
Crank UP the volume because no matter how much you scream, no matter how many times, the decision has been made based on logic and knowledge, not adolescent emotions.
I imagine they are spraying a lot of Fibreeze at the Death Star, PMO, and the CPC Men’s room. The sweat and B.O. is starting to get nasty now!
Maybe George Smitherman can send over a few boxes of Depends for them?
By James- Chatham on 02.28.08 11:15 am
I’m not defending insurance companies or their policies. I too, have had a round or three with the viper. A David and Goliath battle once. In fact, if that battle had been fought in the U.S., I would likely be a millionaire. Instead I had to make do with the system in Canada which favored and protected Insurance companies. For the good of the Country of course…
My point was that a policy affiliated with some group could have been offered by CPC reps. God knows what group??? These types of policies have many variations depending on companies and circumstances. Some were questioning how any policy could have been offered and were looking at it in consideration of how insurance companies deal with individuals. This thinking is too limited in its scope. Most anything can be insured, if you are willing to pay enough.
Also, Mr. Cadman may well have thought a policy on his life would be worthless in the end. Who knows?
No offense, but from what I’ve seen of the Ethics committee that’s where the truth goes to take a nap.
Are you sheeple? Act or die!
Do you care about your family and other human beings? Are you informed and a critical -thinker?
By Greg W., Oakville on 02.28.08 11:41 am
Hey, isn’t there a sale on at the Brick this weekend? Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
By Nikolai Nikolaivitch on 02.28.08 11:22 am
Is this you Nikolai?
http://www.tattoosymbol.com/articles/tasmanian-devil.jpg
Just to correct an apparent (intentional?) error or misinterpretation on the part of a couple of previous posters, Ms. Cadman is NOT the writer of the book; Vancouver journalist Tom Zytaruk IS the author.
Okay, so Harper denies everything – everyone else is lying – uh,huh. Mrs. Cadman, Danny Williams (Harper doesn’t need NFL votes), Liberals are a fault, $122,000 for a speech writer (value for money even though it wasn’t tendered like it should have been), etc.
Oh, yes, the CPC double-standard is back. Let a dead man rest in peace – uh, huh – just like they let Trudeau rest in peace.
I am amazed how every other week Harper does and has done something where I think he could stoop lower – and every other week or so I get amazed all over again.
Deceivin Stephen – oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive.
Well, the condemnation from the CPC War room of even alleging that RockGate is not a matter for public discourse is certainly indicative that the CPC has something to hide, if not outright an admission of guilt. That quote from Harper certainly seemed so.
I’m also amused by the Conservative attempt to have the DoJ decide what constitutes ‘offensive’ material in publicly funded arts. Is this “For Our Protection” or does this go under the column of “Canada Prevails”.
I love how the Conservatives are trying to justify all manner of censorship, be it ones right to post relevant facts on a blog, or the right to equal treatment under the law. It’s delightful and reveals the nature of the “might is right, we hold the power so we may abuse it” nature of the CPC and its supporters.
How’s your chair in the war room Leasa
Looks like Two Tier Tony has made a mess of it again…
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080227/infection_control_080227/20080228?hub=Health
The prudent New Con budget couldn’t cough up a couple million to gather data to prevent the 8 to 12 thousand people dying from superbugs in Canada every year. Nice job Dim Jim and Two Tier! Just another New Con failed file… (yawn)
If I remember the Reformers did not want a golden hand shake nor a government pension plan, then when one fellow member had a fatal disease they jumped on the band wagon post haste. The PM did not knowing of course he will get it anyway should the need arise. Then again name one ex-PM who is not living the good life. Now as for the bribe, news has it there will be an investigation, perhaps?
“Stinks of “Goebbels”….
By maybe Rhino? on 02.28.08 9:38 am
CON government hacks deciding what is “offensive” or “inappropriate”.
Not to mention scientists being “muzzled” too.
The fascist censorship gets deeper and deeper.
Thought control police are next!
By the Gods Of Cobal, wake up Canada!
To Brain
I just read your insurance explanation. To me it further illustrates how far a bias person will go to to explain a real question. The next thing you will be writing us is that George Bush paid for it.
To be quite truthful I just do not take you seriously because of your extreme bias and partisan ways.
Anyone can flail and accuse and condemn another person BUT can you convince???
I think you should change your name from Brain to Bias.
Rak –
Perhaps you should have taken the time to read the article(s) and ponder the content yourself before posting this? Allow me to assist you in your intellectual digestion.
You asked – “What insurance company will insure a dying man.”
Answer – It certainly sounds as though someone close to Harper knew of such an insurer (or seemed to think they did).
You asked – “It sound like there was a offer made, but who made it and what was the offer. Is there any documentation or witnesses.Was it Harper or some over zealous people.” (btw, you forgot the question marks)
Answer – (excerpts from the CBC article) “I don’t know the details,” he’s (Harper) quoted as saying in the book. “I can tell you that I had told the individuals — I mean, they wanted to do it”. _AND_ “The only other person present at the meeting in Cadman’s office was the MP’s legislative assistant, Dan Wallace.” So perhaps someone should ask Harper himself? Or Mr. Wallace?
You stated – “You know some people do crazy things and until you know all the facts you should not jump to conclusions. ”
Reply – Perhaps you should follow your own advice?
You stated – “If this happened, why is Cadman’s wife running for the CPC, too many unknowns.”
Reply – Have you taken the time to consider that maybe she intends to continue the good work of her late husband?
You stated – “Harper is to smart to have anything to do with this and you know that.”
Reply – Apparently he’s not. If he were, I’d submit he’d have acted entirely different than he did. The article quotes his response as “I told them they were wasting their time. I said Chuck had made up his mind he was going to vote with the Liberals.”
I submit that Harper should have known full well what was going on and demanded it stop right then and there. Not simply turn a blind eye to it.
And last but not least, you stated – “Now Garth I think you need to step back and think a bit. Don’t think too hard you might burn out that pea size brain of yours.”
Reply – You should talk?
I’ve known of Garth for many years and can assure you that he certainly doesn’t need for me to come to his defence. Permit me to share an ages old quote with you “Sometimes it’s better to say nothing and be thought the fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt”. Name calling and mud slinging will do nothing to further your position, it only serves to make you look petty and condescending, much like Heir Harper does to himself most every time he rises to speak in The House.
This whole issue stinks of unethical conduct and paints all politicians in a very dim light. We, the Canadian voter, deserve better than this from our elected officials. Bribery of an elected official is a criminal offense. In this case, one would think that those involved most certainly knew better than to commit such an act and we can only hope that those involved will “do the time for the crime”. We’re faced with times of poverty and homelessness and these people throw money around like water to further their own agendas in the name of playing politics. It’s distasteful, unbecoming, and downright sickening.
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Hi Bob R. on 02.28.08 11:39 am,
Sorry about that, I miss spelled again,
it was to be facts not faces.
My apology.
All this CON denial of a $1 million insurance policy is moot.
When you’re a crook in high places of power and influence, anything can be done surreptitiously.
If the Cons tried to bribe Mr. Cadman and he didn’t accept, they consider themselves off the hook. No payout – no crime. Unbelievable (except with the present PM and his cadre). The idea of intent doesn’t seem to come into it.
Many say that this is no crime, along the lines of, “Anything that is not expressly forbidden is allowed.” – sort of the Brian Mulroney defense.
This reminds me of the Bushite defense of torture, that anything up to actual death isn’t torture. After that it’s death, so THAT isn’t torture either. Saying it’s legal doesn’t make it right. It just makes the system who says it’s legal completely corrupt.It will be interesting to see what’s going to happen with this.
On a completely different note, this from “brain” made me laugh:
“Harper kissed Asper’s Can West media ass bending over backwards for bias news and the promise of more market share.”
By brain on 02.27.08 10:36 pm
I was trying to visualize that in my mind and gave up. I don’t think Harper in his present rotund incarnation is capable of being that bendy.
I know what it meant, though – I think.
isn’t the law an ass?
By Herb on 02.28.08 11:25 am
Isn`t our system an ass.
There is only one course of action for Cdns. Keep this set of crooks because they are not as corrupt as the last bunch or throw the crooks out and bring back the last bunch.
That`s the way it`s been since our first PM stepped down in the face of corruption in his first term, nothing has changed.
You`ll notice out of the 146 posts so far no one offers any other suggestion, the media has had no one on air with any other suggestion, including Garth. You want change then vote, roflmao.
As everyone is aware I`m in the growing number of Cdns that see no point in federal elections, this should swell our ranks considerable. I know it won`t make a difference even if voter turnout drops below 50%, we`ll still keep winding up with the same old government.
The people of BC seem quite content to have the new green budget gas carbon tax of 2.5 cents a liter going to the banks. lol, no reduction in CO2 but it`s green while in fact it`s a preemptive bailout for the banks. CIBC came out with it`s sub-prime loss today, other banks havn`t calculated it yet so it must be bad and that does not yet include ABCP.
Should this worry all you easterners? The Cdn economy currently is the west and the rest. The BC plan is to have the Pacific Gateway project replace Olympic construction fueled housing boom to keep the west perking. Major builders are already saying the`re in the process of curtailing operations. As I stated when the feds announced gateway funding, it won`t happen. Most of the projects are PPP that lacks the private investment. I can certainly see how changing one set of crooks for another is really going to cement investor confidence in Canada. No investment makes the Pacific gateway project a non-starter which will have a huge impact on the economy of BC, turning into a situation Ontario has with its lack of investment. We are a little behind but we`re catching up.
If you involve yourself with this farce by voting you`ve got no one to blame but yourself.
With that I see no reason to continue to post further information on this page.
gl all
Hw can you sit in a party with Ujjal Garth? Didn’t he try to bribe the Grewals with patronage appointments to cross the floor. Is that justified as he is a Liberal so should be expected?
from the original Bob R.
Right on Bill Muskoka. Harry S must be a well paid and dedicated CPC employee because he is always on the job. No coffe breaks ???
from : the Original Bob R.
Take a bribe, give a bribe. Whatever it takes to roll forward, eh?
My sincere apology to Ms. Cadman, Chuck Cadman’s widow. Just read the G&M where the news is that the Ethics Committee will meet to discusst the issue. Obviously there is something to the allegations or the Cons would have just ignored them.
Some of you people are really stupid….especially the first three people who posted. It’s hilarious!
The story is NOT about mudslinging or Chuck Cadman himself. It’s about an illegal, unethical action. Period.
In response to Kevin’s post on 02.27.08 10:18 pm…apparently this topic has been on CBC all day…that’s the word I’m getting from friends who have been watching it.
By Brian Dondo on 02.28.08 11:53 am
Point taken, lol.
By Ken on 02.28.08 12:14 pm
When you finally get around to digging into the National Citizen’s Coalition agenda in lobbying this nation’s government to the point of financing Harper’s rise to Conserative leadership to begin with, you’ll know why its not a far leap to assume a U.S. insurance company would have produced such an offer. At this point, the only bias I see once a greater wealth of information is considered is your own.
In January of 2006 Harper let his Mr. Fixit, Handyman, former “We always get our man” type to extract Emerson from the Liberals. What a success that turned out to be.
I wonder if the same Mr. Fixit was involved in the Cadman bribe.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.28.08 11:53 am
I see there is true and obsessive desperation by a couple of the usual suspects here for an election. Just proves Dion is right, and the Liberal caucus KNOWS IT!
Either that or Iggy is trolling today? LOL
Crank UP the volume because no matter how much you scream, no matter how many times, the decision has been made based on logic and knowledge, not adolescent emotions.
………………………………….
It’s pretty much common knowledge that both Dion and our forum host MP Garth are both hawkish for an election NOW .. and it’s the leftist BobRae forces that are stopping an election over the Budget .. all because they want BobRae to get elected first and then the move to replace Dion will be initiated.
If Liberals don’t take advantage of this windfall opportunity to force an election NOW, Dion and even our MP Garth may be neutered within a BobRae Liberal party. Is that what you want ..??!!!
Maybe Rhino and Robt. Gibbs:
The proposed changes to the Income tax Act would allow the Heritage Minister to deny tax credits to projects deemed offensive such as those of an explicit sexual nature, that denigrates a group or is excessively violent, without an educational value. This is what your link tells us.
I do believe there should be some measure of decency in public broadcasting. I don’t think anything in the pipes at present should be penalized but in future producers should have an idea what is not acceptable.
However, to Mr. Gibbs, I would say he is right to mention that Mr. Harper has put “new Con party hacks as CBC directors” and to worry about the CBC being muzzled.
What makes me feel heartsick is knowing Harper believes the CBC should be run as a private company and we could lose our publicly-owned broadcaster.
The first thing a group who wants control of a country does is to take control of its media. Did you wonder why the U.S. networks all fell into place behind Bush’s lies to get the U.S. into Iraq? Where were their independent journalists and foreign correspondents?
Mr. Harper has said he will make our country “unrecognizable” and he is patient enough to make “incremental change”. But … Not in a good way! ..At least not for Liberals, NDP, Greens or Bloc.
About Chuck Cadman:
I just feel very sad.
“No payout – no crime. Unbelievable (except with the present PM and his cadre).The idea of intent doesn’t seem to come into it.”
By CM on 02.28.08 12:21 pm
Evidently, where the CONS are concerned, even if there is a crime, it doesn’t matter.
Just consider Flaherty’s awarding of untendered $122K contracts.
The Globe and Mail article says “Dona Cadman, who is now running for the Conservatives in the Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North….” However, I can find nothing to indicate that she won the nomination.
On her website it indicates that she announced that she would seek the nomination on July 12, 2006. Earlier in 2006 election Dona Cadman had endorsed the NDP candidate Penny Priddy. On August 1, 2006 it was indicated that Pamela Tannant would challenge Cadman for the nomination. I cannot find anything to indicate that anyone has been nominated for the Conservatives in that riding during the year and a half since she announced that she would seek the nomination. There is also no indication that the Conservative Party even accepted her as a candidate for nomination.
The last entry on her website is March 19, 2007, almost a year ago. Since then most Conservative candidates have been selected.
WE NEED AN ELECTION NOW, ASAP, PRONTO, NEXT WEEK …. COME ON LIBERALS, VOTE DOWN THIS ILLEGITIMATE HARPER GOVERNMENT .. AND DON’T LISTEN TO ALL THOSE NERVOUS NELLIES … PULL THE TRIGGER ON HARPER AND HIS HENCHMEN … NOW NOW NOW …!!!
By Harry S on 02.28.08 9:29 am
Harry! Quit shouting. No one is listening to your blabber. Looks like Harpers attempt to instigate an election failed & that’s bothering you a lot. Too bad because it looks like we will have to put up with the likes of your kind for some time.
Cheers
By brain on 02.28.08 12:08 pm
Yet supposedly in the interest of public safety, they choose to relegate LSV’s like the ZENN car to private parking lots and golf courses.
This type of gross inconsistency cannot be explained easily. It is clear though, that the issue you raise has nothing to do with Oil and Auto company interests, as does the issue with the ZENN car. It’s only a matter of 8 to 12,000 Canadians lives.
These are “REAL” issues folks. The kind of things that government is “SUPPOSED” to be doing. And the money involved is a pittance in comparison.
Here is an excerpt from your link for those who don’t read it.
“It is estimated that between 8,000 and 12,000 Canadians die every year from bugs they pick up while in hospital for other reasons. Many of those deaths could be averted through better infection control practices.”
Hey Garth – I triple dog dare you to put your vote against the Budget. I mean, if the CPC is so terrible, vote against them.
That’s right – it was a TRIPLE DOG DARE.
Maybe some of you have become too hung up on the term “insurance policy.” It can also be used as a generic term.
By C. B. Innes on 02.28.08 10:25 am
Very shrewd CBI – you always throw a curve ball into the discussion. Bravo. May I ask what your profession was before you retired?
“Did you wonder why the U.S. networks all fell into place behind Bush’s lies to get the U.S. into Iraq?”
By Pat. G. on 02.28.08 12:47 pm
A very astute question that has only recently – within the past year or so, I believe – been discussed and dissected in a few documentary-style programs.
Admittedly, until that whole issue was brought to the fore, I did not truly appreciate the need for the CBC and its independent voice, not beholden (until Harper gets his way), for the most part, to commercial and political interests.
What an eye-opener it thankfully was.
Zytaruk, the author of “Like a Rock–The Chuck Cadman Story” told Canada AM he didn’t intend to accuse the Conservatives of misdeeds, but was simply reporting what he had been told through the course of numerous interviews with Dona Cadman.
“I have Dona’s word. Now I’m not making these allegations I’m just reporting. …I’m saying this is what Dona has said has transpired. There was one person in the office besides Chuck. Dona wasn’t in the office, but husbands and wives do talk and share intimate details of their day,” he said.
Harper is quoted in the book as confirming to Zytaruk that a visit occurred and that the officials were legitimate representatives of the Conservative Party. But any offer to Cadman was only to defray losses he might incur in an election, the book cites Harper as saying.
Zytaruk said it was not his intention to pass judgment.
“I spoke with Stephen Harper and he had his say on the situation and I basically left it to the readers to decide,” he said.
During an appearance on CTV’s COUNTDOWN in May 2005, Cadman told Mike Duffy that rumours he had been offered an unopposed nomination in his B.C. riding by Conservative officials, were true.
“The discussions did come up,” he admitted on the show. “The talk did come up, yeah.”
Cadman said he declined the offer, however.
“That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody,” he added, rebuffing suggestions he made a deal to throw his support behind the Liberals.
“There were no offers on that table up to that point, on anything from anybody.”
Those are Chuck Cadman’s words. I will take them over the spin that this blog is trying to put on this story, when even the author of the book is not wanting to pass judgment or make an accusation.
This is partisan politics gone to seed.
By Harry S on 02.28.08 12:44 pm
Wasn’t it you who just recently advised a poster to “believe half of what you read and nothing of what you hear?”
Yeah, yeah it was. I remember now.Did you forget that too?
Poor little fella, he’s got Alzheimer’s you know. Bzzzt!
To Brain,
You seem to understand the problem that the idea of Mr. Cadman being offered a One Million Dollar Life Insurance policy does not make sense. So your explanation is that some American Conservative CEO of some large insurance company somewhere in the United States who for conservative reasons (I suppose) was prepared to provide a 1 Million dollar Life Insurance policy even though it would be contrary to underwriting rules and eligibility requirements of his company to a man with terminal cancer and a very limited life span BECAUSE he wanted to have a Canadian Federal election where he hoped the Conservatives would come into power.
Yeah…. that is a real explanation.
Of course you have the proof to support this spoof?
Your biased presuppostions are leading you further and further into the jungle.
Something happened with Mr. Cadman but what I have heard thus far just leaves me with questions. I am not prepared to judge, tar and feather until I have more information and a further explanation. The fact the Ethics Committee may look into it is not very heartening since they all come across like partisan wolves only concerned with scorinig political points.
Hopefully some real light will appear from an informed factual source so the nonsense going on right now will flow back to the gutter!!
Hi Garth:
Thanks for this post.
Mr. Cadman was not for sale.
That is what Harry S and Leasa can’t understand because they sold out long ago.
They can be bought so how can anything they say be believed?
Lynne
CM – The intent to commit a criminal act is also a crime.
Under the influence pedalling provisions of the Criminal Code, it is illegal for government officials and “anyone who has or pretends to have influence with the government” to be involved in the acceptance or offer of a loan, reward, advantage or benefit of any kind to influence any matter of business relating to the government.
Flim-Flam Dim-Jim No Tax Savings Spawns Venture Capitalists
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By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 02.28.08 10:18 am
Haaloo Pyotr .. is that you in the red toque .. could be you old RRussian .. !!
By Nikolai Nikolaivitch on 02.28.08 11:22 am
Nik – I’ve read some of your posts. I wouldn’t normally respond to you, but I have to wonder how you can support Stevie’s con govt. Your name sounds like you are of Russian descent. How long ago did you move to Canada? What were your reasons for moving here? Could it be you did not agree with communism/fashism? Do you agree with the direction that Putin is taking Russia? Just want to know where you stand?
“That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody,” he added, rebuffing suggestions he made a deal to throw his support behind the Liberals.
“There were no offers on that table up to that point, on anything from anybody.”
Those are Chuck Cadman’s words. I will take them over the spin that this blog is trying to put on this story, when even the author of the book is not wanting to pass judgment or make an accusation.
This is partisan politics gone to seed.
By Ike on 02.28.08 1:25 pm
Be careful Ike to read what is actually being said. The key words here may be “up to that point” which suggests that was the first time he had been offered anything. He was careful in his choice of words and had a good reason to be. Although he was angry at the offer he still considered the two party officials personal friends and he would not have wanted to get them into legal problems.
Plausable denial? (WARNING: Washington’s favourite double speak in play)
PM denies arranging Tory offer to dying MP
It states the independent MP from Surrey, B.C., was visited by two Conservative party representatives days before the May 2005 confidence vote. Walks like!
Harper is also quoted in the book: “Of the offer to Chuck, it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election, OK? That’s my understanding of what they were talking about.”
The book says Harper confirmed the individuals were legitimately representing the party but “I told them they were wasting their time.” Sounds like!
That position was reiterated in an email from the Prime Minister’s Office late yesterday.
“The then-leader of the Opposition at no time directed any party official to make any kind of financial arrangement with Chuck Cadman,” the email stated.
Harper does acknowledge being asked about the alleged offer on Sept. 9, 2005, by Cadman’s widow and Zytaruk. Looks like!
QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!
Harper claims he never ‘directed’ (WS for ‘gave an order to do something.) anyone, yet he admits knowing about it.
So, the way this works is simple he merely ‘Okayed the plan, but never ‘ordered it done’
Gee, sounds just like the lines in ‘Michael Clayton’ when the U-Northland ‘Fixer’ is asked to ‘take care of the problem’ by Tilda Swain. She never ‘directed’ or ‘ordered’ the Fixer to KILL their foe. Later she gets caught however (I won’t spoil the ending for you).
Pretty much along the same lines as G.H.W. Bush when he said ‘Read my lips…No new taxes!’ In WS that means literally ‘no NEW taxes’ he just raised the existing ones!
Oh, for all these Liars to get what Jim Carey had in ‘Liar, Liar’ and be unable to say anything but the TRUTH!
By kpn on 02.28.08 1:56 pm
Naw! No Nik. It’s just another of HS’s aliases he uses.
To Harry S on 02.28.08 9:29 am
Harry your boss wants an election but he wants to be able to blame Dion for it.
How long is he going to keep up this childish “strategizing” ?
If Harper wants an election let him call one and take the responsibility for it even though Canadians don’t want an election, with the exception of Garth Turner.
Lets get these 4 By-election over with first. I’m sure if Harper ‘s party wins all or most he’ll call an election. Mark my word.
If the Liberal Party wins all four the Canadian public will pay more attention to the opposition parties. Hopefully Harper will then still be gung-ho about an election call.
During Question Period the PM (Harper ) virtually called Dona Cadman a liar and now he wants her in his caucus ???
Harry S, please help me understand.
CONS denying anything untoward happened.
Go figure.
As Bill Clinton once said, I believe (paraphrase):
“That depends on what the word is means.”
What is with these childish comments about such a serious issue? How can any intelligent individual not be concerned. Must be Harper staffers or toadies writing comments such as these written here. What is it about Stephen Harper and the people around him that makes one feel the need to take a bath after being exposed to them???
Well it seems that using Chuck Cadman’s name and story is in very bad taste from the CPC Harper Bot’s point of view. Well that is their story now, but lets read what they had to say about the man just after he died and the corpse was still warm,…
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/002311.html
Good riddance. Too bad you couldn’t collect on the graft the Libs promised you in exchange for your vote, eh Chucky? Hahhhhhh.
Posted by: Sean at July 9, 2005 10:25 PM
“Hey you guys could go to his funneral and piss on the grave in front of widow to show your respects.”
That would be a waste of perfectly good moisture.
Posted by: Sean at July 10, 2005 10:50 PM
I frankly do not understand it. I live in Cadmans constituency and voted for what I thought was an honorable man. No matter which way you slice it Chuck Cadman sold out.
Based on the fact that the advice Tim Murphy gave to Grewal on tape to justify his (Grewals)potential sell out was word for word the excuse Cadman used to justify his own sell out, one would think that Cadman had shrewdly negotiated himself a nice reward somewhere down the line.
But to die a month after doing so would suggest that Mr. Cadman must have known he was terminal.
The Liberals must have promised something to turn him. Unfortunately for Mr. Cadman, now that he has gone to meet his maker, the Liberals will see no reason to honor their promise (honor is not in the Liberal dictionary.)
So the unanswered question will be why Chuck why, if you new you were going to die did you do what you did??
I am just astonished that he would want his legacy to be one that will be left in the hands of the shameless, corrupt Paul Martin Liberals.
Why, Chuck, if you knew you were going to die, would you have not taken the opportunity to kick Trudeaupian liberalism (with a large dose of Chretien/Martin corruption mixed in)square in the nuts? I guess we’ll never know.
One thing I do know though, is that the impact of your capitulation to the Liberal side of the house will be felt for years to come. And I seriously doubt that anyone on that side of the house truly gave a shit about you or your cause.
Posted by: ward at July 10, 2005 12:27 AM
ward ….that’s exactly as I feel…..he was bought.
Posted by: george at July 10, 2005 12:38 AM
And he was much worse than a fool for punishing the entire country in order to lash out at the people he blamed. We all suffer because of this man’s moral weakness. Did he do us all enough good in his time to amke up for that? I’d need some convincing.
Posted by: ebt at July 11, 2005 1:59 PM
Of course Kate comes to the defence of the “Pissing on Cadman’s Grave”
“Zorpheous” and others: This is not a memorial site to Chuck Cadman. It is a politically oriented blog, and when politicians pass away, as sad as that is, their records are bound to be debated.
Chuck Cadman was a politician. He made the decision to enter the field of politics of his own free will and as such, post mortems of his political career are going to come thick and fast. It’s part of the deal.
He was one of a very few individuals who have sought and won a seat in Parlaiment. He was one of even fewer who had it in his hands to bring down a corrupt government, and he chose not to do so.
That decision was, and remains, a topic of fair debate and criticism. He chose his role, he made his decision, and it is his legacy, for better or for worse.
Argue how you will about whether he was right or wrong – in my opinion, that he stretched his moment in the limelight like a prima donna on stage for the first time, was not honourable, nor was it principled.
He is not being judged here as a private citizen, but as a politician. None of these comments are being pasted to cards and sent to his family, so give the “this is why the CPC will never be elected” crap a rest.
The people posting here are ordinary Canadians, period. As am I. Criticize their comments if you will – but it is inappropriate to assign their disappointment and anger at Chuck Cadman (which they are Goddamned entitled to) to any political party.
It’s cheap-shot politics and you know it.
Posted by: Kate at July 10, 2005 10:06 PM
There you have it people, pissing on the memory of Chuck Cadman was perfectly a-o-k, even when Chuck’s body was still warm and not even the ground. But now that the body is cold and in ground, well it is complete unaccessible to talk about any possible attempts to buy his vote, especially when the vote buying came from the CPC and Harper’s boys. Not that is jast bad form.
Hw can you sit in a party with Ujjal Garth? Didn’t he try to bribe the Grewals with patronage appointments to cross the floor. Is that justified as he is a Liberal so should be expected?
By Marc on 02.28.08 12:24 pm
Why then is Grewal no longer in the Harper Caucus ???? You would tell me he resigned ??? Would you give up a $ 15K job after a mere 5 years in Canada as an immigrant ??
Grewal smells !
so? someone asked?
Harper has no problem with party reps offering to defray the costs of Cadman’s re-election?
RE: Question Period Today:
Geeze, Pete Van Loon’s going to blow.
Better send in Harper’s nuclear advisor.
If Harper wants an election let him call one and take the responsibility for it even though Canadians don’t want an election, with the exception of Garth Turner.
Lets get these 4 By-election over with first. I’m sure if Harper ’s party wins all or most he’ll call an election. Mark my word.
If the Liberal Party wins all four the Canadian public will pay more attention to the opposition parties. Hopefully Harper will then still be gung-ho about an election call.
During Question Period the PM (Harper ) virtually called Dona Cadman a liar and now he wants her in his caucus ???
Harry S, please help me understand.
By The original Bob R on 02.28.08 2:16 pm
the law says he can’t call one. idiot.
By Greg W., Oakville on 02.28.08 10:43 am
I concur. No Elizabeth May…no watchy!
Most of the debates are a cock fight anyway. SSDD like the Eagles song ‘Life in The Fast Lane’ says ‘Everything, all the time!’
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.28.08 11:29 am
8765w
Bill – The other day there was a site or maybe I rec’d an email about a petition to allow May to participate in the debates. Wanted to post it, but it was totally OT and now I can’t find it. I did sign it, however. Would love to see here debating Stevie – she’d cream him IMHO. If I find it, will post it.
This is partisan politics gone to seed.
By Ike on 02.28.08 1:25 pm
This is all we have in Canada, we keep voting for change but keep getting the same thing, Liberal, CPC, they are only out for themselves. You could count on one hand the number of MPs who care what their constituents think. Party first, people last…and you will vote again for either CPC or Liberal, and then complain we have partisan politics…lol….who is at fault here?
Correction !
Would you give up a $ 15K job after a mere 5 years in Canada as an immigrant ??
Of course I meant $ 150 K
It has been my experience that the louder a person proclaims their cleanliness, the dirtier they turn out to be.
That is why I will not be surprised if the Cadman story, and other allegations of less than honourable conduct by the present administration, turn out to be true.
Any bets on how long Dona Cadman is allowed to keep running for the Cons?
Harper has called her a liar! And his nose grew while he did it: I saw it on TV, so it must be true…
I wonder what documents Deceivin’ Stephen is shreading now and how many additional bribes he’s offering over the phone to the ‘players’ and to Ms. Cadman to change her story.
By kpn on 02.28.08 2:40 pm
Look back to ‘The Budget + One’ topic. The link is there.
Geeze, Pete Van Loon’s going to blow.
By Robert Gibbs on 02.28.08 2:38 pm
I hope the SOB does!
The attempted bribery of Chuck Cadman is a an allegation……… Whereas the Stockwell Day/Jim Hart bribery is a known fact.
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/02/attempted-bribery-of-chuck-cadman-is-an.html
Many of us may be interpretting the words, “insurance policy” incorrectly.
Those words could have been used by those who approached Chuck, but not used in the context of a “life insurance policy”. If so, then, they broke the law & must be punished.
The Conservatives are like a mafia run government with Harper in the Godfather role.
As more & more of their clandestine actions come to light, they’ll make the Liberals’ adscam look really small in comparison.
I certainly hope the Con-appointed head of the RCMP is investigating this as we speak!
No truth’ to Cadman allegations: Harper
Doug Finley and Tom Flanagan, a University of Calgary political science professor who is a close friend and former campaign chief of Mr. Harper, confirmed that they met with Mr. Cadman on May 19, 2005.
So, we now KNOW who!
Under the influence pedalling provisions of the Criminal Code, it is illegal for government officials and “anyone who has or pretends to have influence with the government” to be involved in the acceptance or offer of a loan, reward, advantage or benefit of any kind to influence any matter of business relating to the government.
And we KNOW it is ILLEGAL!
Dona Cadman, who is now running for the Conservatives in the Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North, was not in the office at the time. But she says her husband was furious when he returned to their apartment. “Chuck was really insulted,” she said in a telephone interview with The Globe yesterday. “He was quite mad about it, thinking they could bribe him with that.”
Mr. Cadman died less than two months after the vote.
Ms. Cadman, who has read and approved the manuscript for the book, said she has “no idea” where the money for the life insurance was supposed to come from. “They had the form there. Chuck just had to sign.”
Now, Harper, DENY THAT!
Or THIS
“They were legitimately representing the party,” Mr. Harper confirmed. “I said ‘Don’t press him, I mean, you have this theory that it’s, you know, financial insecurity, and you know, just, you know, if that’s what you say make the case,’ but I said ‘Don’t press it.’”
Translation: ‘Don’t press it.’ means ‘Do not threaten him!’ which we all know from simple observation is Harper’s modus operandi of intimidation. The first tool of all Bullies!
So, NOW it seems Mulroney’s ‘spokesman’ is calling the House Ethics Committee the Taliban? Terrorists? What?
End ’15-year jihad’ against Mulroney: spokesman
By The original Bob R on 02.28.08 2:31 pm
Grewal would have had to run in the last election and had to have won his riding to sit in Harpers caucus. Like I have read here about The Conservatives trying to bribe Mr. Cadman, I have read on this same website but different post Ujjal having “blood on his hands”. I wonder if Mr. Turner has apoligized to his new party friend?
No election for quite some time. Too many scandals that would be swept under the rug.
Dion has just begun cleaning Harper’s clock.
Let Harper twist in the wind. It will be interesting to see how many minions stick with him.
Am hearing reports that the two Cons who visited Mr. Cadman are Tom Flanagan and Doug Finley. These two will stick with Harper; he owes them big time.
I concur with Mr. Innes. I think Mr. Cadman was they type of person who would not want to cause problems and may have used the ‘discretion is the better part of valor” philosophy to avoid one which could eclipse his own valid political concerns.
Also, he may have just meant he didn’t get any offers of privilege from the Liberals. His wife said the Liberals didn’t make him any offers.
How’s your chair in the war room Leasa
By LoH_Numa on 02.28.08 12:05 pm
Some one else is onto you, Leasa. the numbers are ever increasing.
But shouldn’t the Hyper Partisan Queen have a throne instead of a chair?
Hi kpn on 02.28.08 2:40 pm
Here is that link to the petition,
Demand Demacratic Debate, on the Corporate run TV media.
Find out why, and
Sign the petition.
http://demanddemocraticdebates.ca/
You are a critical-thinker!
Don’t you want to know?
Should everyone have a chance to see the main party leaders debate, they could be the next PM?
If the Corporate media is subverting free and fair debate, all the principaled Leaders should not participate.
They can oganize a free and fair debate for all the party leaders on the Hill.
CPAC will cover it! Take the control back, it belongs to the people still, not the corporate elets.
If they don’t play fair take the control back! Don’t vote for any Leader that is in a debate that discriminates any major party Leader. Actions speak lowder that world. What do they realy beleve in?
By fred on 02.28.08 2:38 pm
the law says he can’t call one. idiot.
Your eloquence is overwhelming.
Your remark reflects more about you and your Party than you think.
If Harper wants an election he can cross Sussex drive and ask the GG to disband Parliament and call an election.
The truth is he wants Dion to do his dirty work so he can tell Canadians that it was Dion who did it and not him.
Harper has been cruising for an election since October 07, just after the Throne Speech. And he has been campaigning since January 2006.The only thing is he wants to shove it under Dion’s door.
Fortunately Dion is displaying the kind of Leadership I expect from him. Contrary to what the CPC tries to convey (and I must admit with some success) is that Dion is not a Leader, helped by the media.
This would all change once both are on a election campaign where the Press and the Public have to see both sides of the story.
Dion gains the longer he does not allow himself to be caught in Harper’s trap.
And if his party abstains on the budget it will be no different from what Harper as opposition Leader had his caucus do.
Look at all the scandals that are now coming to the surface. The next campaign will expose all the CPC’s scandals whilst Adscam slips away and even pales in comparison with the Harper Government’s pratfalls.
I cannot wait to see the Auditor General’s first reports.
Yah, mein Caesar Disgustus! We will apply the proper examination of these propaganda factories.
Artists oppose Tory plan to vet films before granting tax credits
Canada’s arts community is condemning proposed changes to the Income Tax Act that would allow the federal government to pull financial help for film or television programs that it finds offensive or not in the public interest.
The amendment to Bill C-10 would allow the Heritage Minister to cancel tax credits for such projects, even if government agencies have invested in them.
Representatives from the Heritage and Justice departments would determine which productions are unsuitable and would be denied tax cuts.
Plan amounts to morality policing, actors say
Yess, das book is being used again. Does Goebbels still get royalty payments?
Another MAJOR STRIKE against Harper and his Party of Der Right!
Talk about a Bill deserving of a Confidence vote?
Harper is also quoted in the book: “Of the offer to Chuck, it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election, OK? That’s my understanding of what they were talking about.”
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.28.08 2:03 pm
Well if that isn’t damning enough. Financial considerations for loses due to an election or $1m insurance policy, doesn’t matter. Its still a pay off for a vote.
Election time.
By kpn on 02.28.08 2:40 pm
Here you go!
Green Party and the Petition Link
But shouldn’t the Hyper Partisan Queen have a throne instead of a chair?
By Gord on 02.28.08 3:27 pm
NYET! Non! NO! ONLY Caesar Disgustus himself is allowed to sit on the throne. Leasa is probably just happy to have a chair, cheapo folding type that it is.
How much longer before we hear the Belinda Defence from the CPC Trolls,….
But, but, but,… Martin,… Belinda,… Liberals are evil. The liberals did it first,… wwwhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa!
Election time.
By James- Chatham on 02.28.08 3:33 pm
I am thinking more ARREST time than election.
What are the rules if the PM is arrested and held incommunicato, hence unable to perform the duties of the PM (Not saying Harper is even close to being a PM. He is a MINORITY Power Pervert.)
If we do not see some arrests then we can take it that the RCMP are unable to function still.
But, then we already know the mess they are in…Sad, very, very sad!
I caught a bit of today’s Question Period. As always, it was nauseatingly much like watching a kindergarden class squabble.
King Stephen was as condescending as ever, and then there it was!! Lies I say, lies…
He’d have served himself better by taking a page from the Bushco play book and coming down with a sudden case of I-don’t-recallitis rather than trying to imply the Cadman issue is a pack of lies.
So we’re to assume that all of a sudden there must be some sort of elaborate campaign to smear Saint Stephen and that He is the only Canadian capable of telling the truth…
Who’d of thought.
Wonder where Mr. Cadam’s Assistant is. He was a wittness when the cons visited Cadman’s office??? Wonder if he’ll be offered a bribe to disappear/not testify before the Ethics Committee???
So it comes down to hearsay, eh?
According Chuck Cadman with Mike Duffy, THERE WAS NO OFFERS MADE!
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate?tf=/ctv/mar/video/new_player.html&cf=ctv/mar/ctv.cfg&hub=TopStories&video_link_high=http://esi.ctv.ca/datafeed/urlgen2.aspx?vid=34794&video_link_low=AM0228_zytaruk&clip_start=00:00:00.00&clip_end=00:03:25.00&clip_caption=Canada AM: Tom Zytaruk, author of ‘Like A Rock’&clip_id=34794&subhub=video&no_ads=&sortdate=20080228&slug=cadman_bribe_AM_080228&archive=CTVNews
Please listen carefully to the video with Chuck Cadman. So either this author, along with Dona Cadman is lying, or Chuck Cadman. Unfortunately, Chuck Cadman is dead. And Dona Cadman NEVER witnessed this bribe.
Oh btw, Zytaruk’s book is already discounted on Chapters.ca (it’s 16$ for anyone that is interested in buying it).
VACANCY: Reform/CONServative Party
A position for candidacy has opened up recently in the Vancouver riding of Surrey North. The candidate must be loyal, trustworthy,and obedient,(no dogs please) lack of political experience preferred. Persons with morals and integrity need not apply, all others welcome.
FROM THE NATIONAL POST:
A statement also was released Thursday by Dan Wallace, Mr. Cadman’s former legislative assistant. Mr. Wallace denies the book’s suggestion that he was in the office at the time the alleged insurance policy offer was made.
“This is not the case. Chuck met with the two party representatives in his private office. I was outside the room and not privy to the details,”Wallace’s statement said. He also added he is not going to question what Dona Cadman “may or may not have said to the author.
Here is a witness that we should actually listen to. Now I would like to hear from Dona Cadman.
The transcript of an interview with her is published on this blog posting. — Garth
Sadly, I wouldn’t count on enough Canadians being rightfully shocked at this (yet additional) CON scandal and crookedness.
I fear too many of them will buy into the usual CON playbook, used by so many evil demons, of denial, denial, denial; or worse still of “oh, that’s politics.”
Unfortunately, it seems to take a long gradual ‘drip, drip, drip’ water torture path.
Hopefully this is not so, but…
Even if Cadman was offered a seat in the conservative party, and no money, in my opinion, this was still a bribe, & should also be illegal, not just unethical!
1 2 3 4 what were you voting for,
when you put Harper in power?
accountability?
transparency?
integrity?
honesty?
too bad you didn’t get any.
Play again?
In an interview with Tom Zytaruk on CBC earlier today it, was reported that a statement from Doug Findlay and Tom Flanigan (Conservative Party Officials) had been released stating that they met with Chuck Cadman. Are these the so-far un-named party representatives referred to in Mr. Cadman’s biography?
Of interest to seniors..
Ron Paul questions Bernanke on inflation and the money supply.
The truth is out…Mike Duffy reports that Cadman did not want the Liberals to fall because if it did his insurance policy would not be available… if he was not sitting as an M.P. If he died while the govt. was still alive his wife would get double the insurace…SO SAYETH MIKE DUFFY…This had NOTHING to do with doing the will of his constituents….but had EVERYTHING to do with self preservation…
Are these the so-far un-named party representatives referred to in Mr. Cadman’s biography?
By Drew on 02.28.08 5:05 pm
Dot……Dot…..Dot YES!
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.28.08 4:03 pm
We’ve had this conversation before.
How many more times before Mr. Dion decides to pull the plug? This government is only running 100V at 55Hz!
(Dirty power!)
I can’t see any investigation happening until Harper vacates the PMO, or someone files a complaint!
Here is a witness that we should actually listen to. Now I would like to hear from Dona Cadman.
The transcript of an interview with her is published on this blog posting. — Garth
By Ken on 02.28.08 4:36 pm
She was interviewed on CTV and confirmed her allegations!
LIES! LIES! and more LIES!
Baird to announce program to get clunkers off the road
The department has mulled over the prospect of building a national program since Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s 2007 budget earmarked $36 million over two years for scrappage initiatives.
Seven groups across the country receive federal money to run a patchwork of scrappage programs, which offer incentives such as rebates on new vehicles, free transit passes and charitable receipts in exchange for older models.
Oh yeah! SURE! Like anyone will believe that fat little liar who has cried ‘WOLF!’ so many times already. rebates? LMAO! Yeah, like the ones they never paid out?
Still number one on the World’s Biggest Lies list ‘The cheque is in the mail!’
Brought to you, again, by the Gnu Goobernment of Canuckistan!
By Andrea Timmons on 02.28.08 5:03 pm
You mean kinda like the LP did with Belinda’s Cabinet position? At least the CPC was only offering a chance to run in an election and get voted in by the people.
Has anyone found an insurance company in this country, or any other that will sell a million dollar policy for a dying man? Leasa
CPC Trolls scrambling for new talking points now that the story is confirmed.
Dona Cadman – running for the Conservatives
Dona Cadman – Confirms the entire story.
Not a Liberal Story
Story didn’t start in the “Liberal MSM”
I can hear the heads exploding.
Will Harper toss Doug Finley and Don Plett under the bus?
Get me some popcorn!!!!
As far as I can tell there just isn’t enough evidence for this one to stick. The testimony of Mrs. Cadman is really nothing more than hearsay – and while I would not be surprised if this actually occurred without something more substantial I think this scandal is a non-starter.
Furthermore, I think the Liberals should be focusing on things they can prove (e.g. the Harper government’s suppression of science and the arts, income trusts, health care and child care – among others).
That said if information can be dug up that implicates Harper then by all means throw it at him.
By Ken on 02.28.08 8:42 am
“Does anyone know anything about Life Insurance? There is no Life Insurance company on the earth that would sell a Million dollar policy to a man near death!! This story does not make any sense. In fact he would not be able to get any kind of life insurance policy for any amount unless he was put in a group plan.” – Ken
Do you not know that there are no barriers preventing U.S. multinationals from selling life insurance in Canada, or that any CEO can approve any life insurance policy he/she wants to at their own discretion without shareholders approval? Have you not watched the movie “Sicko”? If Chuck was to be bribed, a life insurance policy wouldn’t be a bad way to go about it.
Secondly – his wife is now a candidate for the Conservative Party????
It appears unconfirmed and more than likely not to be true especially after this story has broken out.
“Thirdly – If this article by Garth Turner isn’t a vicious smear then I don’t know what is. People including Turner can make any accusation they so choose to condemn and convict their target knowing full well that person will not defend themselves. This is not a court or even an exchange between two parties – It is an all out slander blog that somehow satisfies the lower nature of some people.” – Ken
This story has hit every media outlet in Canada with some calling it possibly the political story of the year if its true. Do you not know this? Do you not know that this is a political blog with a highly sensitive nature to the story itself? Do you expect people to be cordial and nice? There are major differences between the Libs and Cons. How could you not expect anything other than conflict, especially over a story like this?
Outside of New Con bribes confirmed by Chuck Cadmans widow, this government still needs to run this nation and its failing to do so. As another daily example, critics have been crying for a mere 1 to 2 million bucks to track the data of superbugs that are killing between 8 to 12 thousand Candians annually for the last several years and we don’t know the exact numbers or which hospitals and their practices are most at risk to spread such superbugs because this New Con government can’t do its friggin’ job. Two tier Tony is on it once again.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080227/infection_control_080227/20080228?hub=Health
Looks like the New Cons have got Monte Solberg broke in with taxpayer givaways to U.S. corps.
http://thetyee.ca/News/2008/02/25/JobSkillMoney/
And then there’s Emerson lauding NAFTA as a great deal for the U.S. so there is no need to renegotiate? Hello!! Things have changed, here. Currency… Peak oil… A possible protectionist Democrat president… NAFTA reverting to FTA…
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wnaftaottawasb28/BNStory/National/?cid=al_gam_nletter_maropen
And if for some reason you all think NAFTA is so good, why are Canadian corps so restricted to fight hostile takeovers? M & A’s have been torrid since 2005 and foreign hostile takeovers have cost us dearly.
AECL a manufactured crisis?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080225.wnuclear25/BNStory/National/?cid=al_gam_nletter_newsUp
Is Afghanistan a resource war? Or just a Defense, oil and drug money grab…
http://www.alternet.org/audits/77500/
More Taser deaths and Stockwell looks the other way, lax RCMP standards, minister of justice grandstanding, Softwood givaway’s, piss poor economic policies, dramatically shrinking trade surplus’s, Embarrassment at Bali and the environment, stalling great lake toxicity, muzzles on science and now the film industry, resource wars, striking the U.S. and Israel off the torture list, firing elected farmers and appointing political hacks onto the wheat board, deregulating media and telecoms, is there any one thing that this New Con government is doing right?
Everywhere I look is a failed file. Nevermind the corruption and accountability hypocracy, try incompetance. This is a lazy lobbyist filled self serving government begging to be replaced if I ever saw one.
By Zorpheous on 02.28.08 3:59 pm
Hi Zorph, So you think it’s right to call Mr. Cadman a liar? I guess it’s convenient for some that he isn’t alive to defend himself. He said he was only offered a chance to run for the party unopposed. Also, since you and the other Lib supporters are saying this is all the truth and nothing but the truth, please find me an insurance company that would sell policies to dying people. Any liberal or any person who uses this B.S. story to gain points on the back of a dead man, is totally perverse and despicable. L
I can’t see any investigation happening until Harper vacates the PMO, or someone files a complaint!
By James- Chatham on 02.28.08 5:14 pm
The Liberals have already filed a complaint and the RCMP has been asked to investigate based on the news I have seen this afternoon.
I hope they have learned how to do investigations since Khadar, Air India, Mulroney, etc.?
Liberals want RCMP probe of Cadman allegations
By kpn on 02.28.08 2:40 pm
Look back to ‘The Budget + One’ topic. The link is there.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.28.08 2:54 pm
Sorry Bill – not as ‘swift’ as I once was. Just living day to day.
I always copy and paste part of one’s comments so that others can more easily reference a post.
From the G&M:
After Mr. Cadman’s death, Mr. Zytaruk heard that Mr. Harper, who was then leader of the opposition, was paying a personal visit to the Cadman residence. Mr. Zytaruk interviewed Mr. Harper in the driveway.
“Of the offer to Chuck,” he quotes Mr. Harper as saying, “it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election, OK. That’s my understanding of what they were talking about.
“I don’t know the details,” he said. “I can tell you that I had told the individuals – I mean, they wanted to do it – but I told them they were wasting their time. I said Chuck had made up his mind he was going to vote with the Liberals. I knew why, and I respected the decision, but they were just, they were convinced there was, there was financial issues and, there may or may not.
“They were legitimately representing the party,” Mr. Harper confirmed. “I said ‘Don’t press him, I mean, you have this theory that it’s, you know, financial insecurity, and you know, just, you know, if that’s what you say make the case,’ but I said ‘Don’t press it.’ ”
“OF THE OFFER TO CHUCK,” he quotes Mr. Harper as saying, “it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election, OK.”
I think Harper has shot off both his legs on this. Harper should step aside while allegations of criminality are investigated.
The truth is out…Mike Duffy reports that Cadman did not want the Liberals to fall because if it did his insurance policy would not be available… if he was not sitting as an M.P. If he died while the govt. was still alive his wife would get double the insurace…SO SAYETH MIKE DUFFY…This had NOTHING to do with doing the will of his constituents….but had EVERYTHING to do with self preservation…
By HLH on 02.28.08 5:12 pm
Halton John – so I guess we should believe CTV, Duffy and you
How many more times before Mr. Dion decides to pull the plug? This government is only running 100V at 55Hz!
(Dirty power!)
By James- Chatham on 02.28.08 5:14 pm
Well the Libbers need to show up in the House to actual vote. Today’s sub-amendment vote total was 275! When the Libbers started to vote, it was blatantly obvious the bulk of the 29 vacant chairs were on the Liberals side of the House.
All this useless ranting is getting me sick .. and what we need is an election over the Budget.
On Monday, the Liberal amendment to the Budget is up for a vote, and if all the opposition parties fully support it, the government falls.
Since Dion said the Liberals do not want an election over the Budget, they will have to either abstain or be absent in sufficient numbers to ensure their amendment fails, which will be terribly devastating to Dion’s credibility as the Liberal leader. I’m not so sure that will happen, and am getting this creepy feeling that the government will fall on Monday and we will be into an election campaign next week.
Call me crazy, but …….
By Pecked to Death by Ducks on 02.28.08 5:06 pm
Thank you, I appreciate you posting the Ron Paul questioning, very informative and very true. But they are in a whole lot of trouble, and we will feel the impact.
VACANCY: Reform/CONServative Party
A position for candidacy has opened up recently in the Vancouver riding of Surrey North. The candidate must be loyal, trustworthy,and obedient,(no dogs please) lack of political experience preferred. Persons with morals and integrity need not apply, all others welcome.
By Smokingjoe on 02.28.08 4:32 pm
What a good one Smokingjoe. I read it to my hubby and we had a great laugh. I’ll ‘notepad’ it.
How many more times before Mr. Dion decides to pull the plug? This government is only running 100V at 55Hz!
(Dirty power!)
By James- Chatham on 02.28.08 5:14 pm
Well the Libbers need to show up in the House to actual vote. Today’s sub-amendment vote total was 275! When the Libbers started to vote, it was blatantly obvious the bulk of the 29 vacant chairs were on the Liberals side of the House.
By Catherine on 02.28.08 5:47 pm
Catherine – guess you forgot the other day when Dion was speaking in the HoC re Afghanistan and all the cons left, within a few minutes. Glass houses Catherine.
Any liberal or any person who uses this B.S. story to gain points on the back of a dead man, is totally perverse and despicable. L
By Leasa on 02.28.08 5:30 pm
Yes, the Libbers are that because the Libbers are desperate.
Hey, I have a theory! Maybe Harpers dislikes Dona as much as he disliked Chuck and needed a reason to turf her out of the party before she got elected as a Con and continued to cause him serious grief.
So he planted the seed of “bribery” and “insurance policies” and 2 guys in trench coats visiting Chuck in the dead of night–and now he can stand erect in the House and deny, deny, deny knowing the main character is dead, he has already cast doubt on the widow and the journalist is probably just some left-wing jerk.
There, I think I solved the mystery.
Steve Harper is disgusting and will do anything to discredit anyone who does not kow-tow to him.
Can’t wait to see how he handles Dona. Perhaps spokespeople for the PMO will say she mis-spoke. Or that pressing family matters have caused her to withdraw her name. or…….
Garth .. I heard the CTV interview of Dona Cadman, and I hate to tell you this, but I sensed in her voice an uncertainty and almost an instability when she responded to the questions put to her, particularly about her being the CPC candidate for Surrey and not understanding the repercussions of what she is saying.
I hope we are not witnessing a person in confusion for some reason, and the media and politicians creating an unhealthy situation for her.
Just my gut feel because something doesn’t add up here. Hauling her before the HoCs Ethics committee or the RCMP investigating her may not be appropriate. I think everybody should take a time out rather than trying to get political advantage.
By Judy on 02.28.08 6:32 pm
Only one thing you missed, if the reporter has a tape of the driveway conversation with the Prime Minister, his goose is cooked.
He says he does. — Garth
By Zorpheous on 02.28.08 3:59 pm
Hi Zorph, So you think it’s right to call Mr. Cadman a liar? I guess it’s convenient for some that he isn’t alive to defend himself. He said he was only offered a chance to run for the party unopposed. Also, since you and the other Lib supporters are saying this is all the truth and nothing but the truth, please find me an insurance company that would sell policies to dying people. Any liberal or any person who uses this B.S. story to gain points on the back of a dead man, is totally perverse and despicable. L
By Leasa on 02.28.08 5:30 pm
First of Leasa,
I never claimed that the allegations were true or not. Stop making crap up.
Next, I am one very strange Liberal supporter, considering in my entire life I have only voted Liberal (federally) once before. On the provincial level, I think I have vote Liberal only once as well. I have either voted PC or Green.
Next this story is coming from Cadman’s Wife and person writing his Biography. It also seems that Plett and Finley have confirmed the information to some degree.
The truth is a bitch, deal with it!
ATTENTION: Free Perversion Lessons Avaiable. Learn how to imitate Sylvester The Cat by qualifying as ‘despicable’ also.
For more information contact Leasa or Catherine at 1-8-DeathStar.
Most Important Video on the Internet 9min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3QmJNZMBeg&feature=related
No jokes today — they were too risque!
Nevertheless, first link says that the real inflation rate is 10%, or thereabouts.
http://tinyurl.com/2aa6rg
The second is a 3 min. YouTube clip, where Ron Paul says that Bernanke is deliberately destroying the dollar — hence, the forthcoming Amero.
http://tinyurl.com/265eby
One has to wonder whether Harper and the other Conservatives involved really consider that there is anything wrong with bribery. It does not appear that Harper, in the taped interview at the time, had any concern about the financial considerations that his people were offering Cadman and that they could constitute bribery.
Politicians get away with various forms of bribery all the time (such as luring Emerson across the floor by promising a cabinet position). It is not surprising that they might not understand it when the line has been crossed.
There is no doubt that power and the drive towards that power has a major corrupting influence.
The Bully on the Hill has for all intent and purpose has dug his own grave, what will save him from jail and the fall from grace is the same fan club and fate that saved OJ Simpson. Unfortunately what will follow is a slow painful political death as his dark side will be linked known to many as “He who’s name is not to be mentioned”
Question, Is this why he appointed Wild Bill Elliott as head of the RCMP? Oh what tanggled web……….
By The original Bob R on 02.28.08 2:16 pm
the law says he can’t call one. idiot.
By fred on 02.28.08 2:38 pm
That’s right, he has to call more than one. idiot. He should keep it to a divisible number though, otherwise he could have some half wits left over. I wonder if that’s how he came by Cheeky Pete?
Any liberal or any person who uses this B.S. story to gain points on the back of a dead man, is totally perverse and despicable. L
By Leasa on 02.28.08 5:30 pm
Yes, the Libbers are that because the Libbers are desperate.
By Catherine on 02.28.08 6:28 pm
The only desperate people here is the conservative party. They desperately want an election because it just keeps getting worse for them.The scandal list keeps growing weekly.Shall I list them for you?
1 election Canada scam
2 Mulroney Shreiber Affair
3 John Baird Ottawa mayor bribery scandal
4 The way they treat the environment is a sham in itself
That was this week in the papers.I cant wait to see what happens next.
It makes me think that the whoevers decision it was to wait for an election was very smart.
This news story certainly is taking over the headlines and you read it first on GARTH.CA. It really makes Harpers claim of Canadas CLEAN government laughable.
Paul Martin received early copy of Cadman manuscript, author says
Darah Hansen , Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, February 28, 2008
METRO VANCOUVER – The author of a controversial yet-to-be published book chronicling the life of the late Surrey MP Chuck Cadman confirmed Thursday that Paul Martin was among those who were sent an early copy of the manuscript.
Tom Zytaruk, a journalist in Surrey, said he provided a copy to the former Liberal Prime Minister for review following its completion in February of 2007.
But Zytaruk said he couldn’t say whether Martin was the source of a leaked excerpt which quotes Cadman’s widow, Dona Cadman, saying that Conservative Party officials offered her dying husband a million-dollar life insurance policy in exchange for his vote to bring down the Liberal government in May of 2005?
http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=a6631e85-799a-4d9e-86fe-792d3b123f2a
Liberals demand RCMP probe into vote-buying allegations
February 28, 2008
Bruce Campion-Smith
Torstar news service
OTTAWA — Federal Liberals are asking the RCMP to launch a criminal probe into allegations that the Conservatives tried to buy the support of an Independent MP in the days leading up to a crucial vote in 2005.
http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/332153
PM denies attempted bribe took place
By Bruce Cheadle, THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA – Just when do political party blandishments cross the ethical and legal line?
Allegations that Conservative party operatives offered a dying MP a fat insurance policy to influence his House of Commons vote in 2005 tap into a rich and recent history of clandestine offers – some proven, some merely alleged.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/02/28/4882626-cp.html
By Leasa on 02.28.08 5:30 pm
There there Leasa, everything will be alright in the morning. Trust Uncle Greg.
Let me count the ways. Read the above blog entries Dear. Some are self explanatory.
I note that Mr. Garth has left the building, whilst the children play.
Shame on you Gart, ya old reprobate..You started it.
Round and round the Mulberry bush, the Monkey chased the Weasel….
Any liberal or any person who uses this B.S. story to gain points on the back of a dead man, is totally perverse and despicable. L
By Leasa on 02.28.08 5:30 pm
Yes, the Libbers are that because the Libbers are desperate.
By Catherine on 02.28.08 6:28 pm
Sp Leasa and Catherine, are you callimg Dona Cadman a liar? Why is Harper allowing a liar to run for CPC in BC?
So what is gals, is Dona a liar or is she telling the truth?
Catherine – guess you forgot the other day when Dion was speaking in the HoC re Afghanistan and all the cons left, within a few minutes. Glass houses Catherine.
By kpn on 02.28.08 6:19 pm
kpn, you do know the difference between voting in the House and listening to a “speech”?
kpn, why don’t you do some research and check how many of the Libbers show up for any given vote. Generally, there are 20% to 25% of the the Libber missing(20 to 30 MPs). The Bloc, the NDP, and the Conservatives may have 1 to 3 members missing at any given time.
By Pat. G. on 02.28.08 12:47 pm
A well thought out comment, and I agree with the overall concept.
I am also a big supporter of CBC. Coming from Northern Quebec where we only had CBC and sometimes CTV, meant I had to watch stuff I might not normally have chosen, and I am a better person from the experience, I think. We need to keep them strong and independant.
My concern is having funding for the arts controlled directly by government agendas. Many projects take years to complete, and to have a change in government ruin work simply due to someone’s personal ethics is dangerous.
Add to that, the possibility of a governing party being able to push propaganda by manipulating arts funding is deplorable and dangerous.
This was first really done by a particular dictator and the results were spectacular. Just talk to anyone who lived there at that time, and most will tell you just how well they were fooled.
The Harperites scare the hell out of me. Partially since I believe the majority of Canadians do not really follow politics closely, and many fall back on “sounds good enough” to base their votes.
Add to that the attitudes of the trolls here, and well, I think they clearly portray the dangers…
I forgot political interference.
PMO concerned about dispute with developer, meeting hears
Elizabeth Thompson , Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, February 28, 2008
OTTAWA – Members of Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s office were so interested in a dispute that pitted a Montreal developer against the government they made several phone calls to Public Works Minister Michael Fortier and his staff and organized three meetings on the subject.
However, opposition MPs say they still don’t know why the PMO put so much time and energy into the question or whether there was any political pressure exerted on officials to settle with Michael Rosenberg’s company.
“In light of the testimony we heard, the facts that we have and the evasive answers, we have not ruled out summoning other people to testify before the committee,” said Bloc Quebecois MP Meili Faille
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=f07eaf98-3f43-49ef-90a7-b9bdc039fb44&k=77493
I am sure something took place here as both parties were working on Mr Cadman for his vote.
I think we should all think for a moment. What Insurance Company knowing a person has terminal cancer would underwrite a $1 million policy. This part makes no sense.
Any liberal or any person who uses this B.S. story to gain points on the back of a dead man, is totally perverse and despicable. L
By Leasa on 02.28.08 5:30 pm
Yes, the Libbers are that because the Libbers are desperate.
By Catherine on 02.28.08 6:28 pm
Its this attitude from the Cons. that want to make me vomit!
In opposition, Mr. Harper took the Libs to task over adscam. Eventually, investigation showed that the scheme involved only a few members of the Libs, although Harper had the big brush out, taring anyone Liberal.
Now we have an allegation that the CPC tried to buy an independant MPs vote. Yes, its only an allegation at this time, but Mr. Dion is using the same brush Mr. Harper used. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
But what makes this worse, is the allegation concerns the vote of an MP in the HoC, a place that is supposed to be the heart of our democracy. If adscam was a blight on our democracy trying to buy votes of the people of Quebec, those responsible for this, if proven, are stooping to the lowest gutter.
So stop the “holier than thou” CPC can do no wrong attitude. Accusation has been made, and Harper has confirmed some of the facts.
The rest needs to be investigated. It may be false, it may be that Harper and his insiders are responsible, or it may just have been a couple of overzealous members of the CPC who overstepped the line.
If it is either of the last two, then those responsible will find out they are not above the law and the same fate awaits as the fate of those involved in adscam.
It is nice to see that some people have put aside their partisan views and have showed some outrage at the manner in which a person who is now deceased is being treated.
This is truly the act of fairness by good upstanding canadians.
Only one thing you missed, if the reporter has a tape of the driveway conversation with the Prime Minister, his goose is cooked.
He says he does. — Garth
By pjw on 02.28.08 6:46 pm
They played part of the interview between the reporter and Harper on the driveway this evening. It was evident from the interview that Harper was aware that the representatives of the party were prepared to offer Cadman financial considerations for his vote. Harper felt that the offer would not change Cadman’s mind but he seemed willing to allow them to try.
Hey you Con deniers get a grip. Even Harper admits the meeting happened. Do you believe these two Top Cons went over there to say hello. They wanted his vote and they were offering rewards. That amounts to a bribe and is illegal. Harper knew they were going so he is complicit. As leader of the Party he should have ordered them not to go.
Wake up…our democracy is not for sale.
Just heard the tape of Opposition Leader Harper: his goose is cooked.
There is still the question of the dates May 17 and May 19. Could there have been two Conservative forays to MP Cadman’s office?
MP Cadman’s daughter has also backed up her mother’s recounting of events as told to her by her father, MP Cadman.
Stick a fork in Harper, he’s toast. Unless he throws Flanagan and Finley under the bus as well as those other two MP Cadman threw out of his office on the 17th.
1.What I do know is what Harper said in the commons and what he said to the author do not add up.
2.All this praise for a true Reformer like Chuck Cadman from Liberals is so disgusting and two faced. I was involved it the Reform Party, they always looked and treated us as if we were a bunch of Bunmkin Racists. Now they act like a bunch of Eddie Haskells.
Any liberal or any person who uses this B.S. story to gain points on the back of a dead man, is totally perverse and despicable. L
By Leasa on 02.28.08 5:30 pm
Not as perverse and despicable as you are for implying that Pierre Trudeau was a Nazi!
The Hyper Partisan Queen rides again!
Update:
Cadman’s daughter (didn’t catch her name) told Global news that her father told her about the ‘$1M offer’, so that’s now two sources.
Her name is Jodi. Her confirmation also ran on CBC’s National tonight. — Garth
Maybe Rhino:
I think a lot of what goes on in the political sphere goes over the heads of too many people who are so wrapped up in their lives, they don’t have time or inclination to pay attention.
Just returned from my grandson’s hockey game. Now I’m back on the net but I know my daughter has been putting her kids to bed and is getting ready for another day. This is a big problem–getting people in her age group involved. We have to keep working on it bit by bit without driving them nuts.
Shame on you Garth, ya old reprobate..You started it.
Round and round the Mulberry bush, the Monkey chased the Weasel….
By Greg on 02.28.08 7:40 pm >/i>
Yeppers, our beloved Garth has the leathers to prove it too. Oh Lord bring Spring that Garth may mount his beloved Crotch Rocket and get the stress off!
LMAO! Yes, and the weasel is Stephen Harper. Now, hopefully, the monkey will restrain from doing any spanking as it chashes the weasel?
Very interesting ‘At Issue’ panel tonight on CBC’s The National. Don Martin, of The National Post, admitted his insider sources in the Liberal Party want to remain anonymous.
Chantel Hebert, in her usual pro Quebec Seperatist genre, attacked Stephane Dion.
Andrew Coyne, of McClean’s, was the smart one IMHO. He places the media’s attacks, and Mansbridge admitted the media has been beating up on Dion, not on Dion, but on the Old Line Liberals within the party who remain in combat for power.
That has been somewhat obvious, but at least that cat has escaped the bag at last.
Look to Iggy as the primary source of dissent, and Rae as well.
Hebert even compared it (if I recall correctly) to what happened with Stockwell Day and the Reform Party spasms.
I think the Libs will SPLIT, some will join up with the Greens, and the Ignatieff crowd will go looking for support from the soon to be unemployed American military/industrial lobbyists.
What strange webs they weave, eh?
This entire thing is only just beginning. Harper will be needing asbestos underwear, and I think several lawyers, for quite a while.
Oh, and on a happy note, Conrad Black’s appeal for a bond has been DENIED. Lord Arrogance must report to prison no later than 2pm Monday afternoon.
He will, undoubtedly, enjoy the entry processing including strip search, body cavity exams, taking of his clothes, and donning the same prison uniform the rest of the CRIMINALS have to wear.
He will miss the fine food, and be making $0.12 per hour in wages. Now that is JUSTICE!
Good night Gracie!
Garth,
Just keep on blogin’.
The truth will get out but not fast enough.
We already know that he (PMSH) is a lier.
And now this.
Watch your back. PMSH will put out a contract on you. (I would NOT put it past him.)
By DHalfkenny on 02.28.08 8:42 pm
Try U.S. insurance multinationals who stand to benefit majorly from a dismantled universal health care system by a majority Conservative government.
By maybe Rhino? on 02.28.08 8:25 pm
At last, a kindred spirit who sees the underlying dangers – Oliver Cromwell comes to mind as perhaps the closest historical analogy to our present situation.
All this praise for a true Reformer like Chuck Cadman from Liberals is so disgusting and two faced. I was involved it the Reform Party, they always looked and treated us as if we were a bunch of Bunmkin Racists. Now they act like a bunch of Eddie Haskells.
By ted on 02.28.08 9:22 pm
You can criticize the Liberals all you want but you have to accept a large junk of the blame. You sacrificed your principles for power with overwhelming support for the merger. You blamed the “red Tories” for everything that was wrong with the old PC Party. You bought the spin that you only needed to be rid of them to create a “clean” party.
The red Tories tried to warn you that you were blaming the wrong people. We tried to warn you that the merger was about winning power at all costs but you were so caught up with power that you never even blinked at the corruption involved in creating the merger.
You cannot expect that a party created through corruption can suddenly become cleansed on the day that Elections Canada broke its own regulations to register the Party by opening on a Sunday and ignoring the law that provided a 30-day cooling off period between the vote and registration.
“Assuming the document was forged, either the forger or some other person sent it to the National Post to create controversy and undermine the authority of a sitting Prime Minister of Canada,” it said. “The National Post itself admitted that if the document was forged, it would be evidence of a criminal conspiracy to force a duly elected Prime Minister from office.”
By Leasa on 02.29.08 2:36 pm
Leasa, you’ve Dutch ancestry, have you not. You’re too young to have lived through WWII, but surely you have family that did in Holland. I do in Norway and Denmark. Your posts appear to like those who had their head in the sand about what was happening in Germany, Poland, and elsewhere in Europe. You remind me of those who shut their eyes and put their fingers in their ears because they were hypnotized by their Leader’s propoganda machine. I have been a Lib. for most of my life, but have been disgusted by past Libs antics such as Adscam. At least I am willing to recognize that. You, on the other hand, try, with no credibility, to defend you Leader and his robots, and put down anyone who contradicts them. I think at one time you even said you were the, or one of, the most non-partisans on Garth’s blog. ROTFL.
I won’t extend hugs and kisses to you Leaza – unlike you, after you have put down others.
By Gord on 02.28.08 9:52 pm
No Gord, not himself a Nazi, but he was a Nazi sympathizer. Well documented. Look it up.
By kpn on 02.29.08 6:47 pm
Actually, KPN, you are reacting to a paste I did from Bill’s url he provided. Where did I put anyone down? By disagreeing? You’d be fun at debates. Leasa
How about being ashamed of those who tried to buy a vote in Parliament? What are citizens worth when political parties do such things? — Garth
I suppose Martins’ bribe to Stronach of a cabinet post if she crossed the floor is different. I would classify that just as bad. But of course you wouldn’t now would you Garth.
By Closely Warching on 02.28.08 9:02 pm
Don’t forget that PM Martin and another Liberal MP also visited Cadman. Now what did they promise Cadman for his support?
I agree lets have the RCMP investigate the whole mess.
So poor little Garth has been called a Scumbag!. It sure the hell isn’t any worse then what he has called the Prime Minister in the past.
Like what? Links, pls. — Garth
Garth, to quote: “Knowing Mr. Harper as I do, I find this completely believable. He’s a politician whose highest goal is power…”
And how does this differ from any other politican, including yourself?
Nah, I’m just in it for the air miles. — Garth
I can’t believe this incident has been spun so many ways. At worst it’s politicians doing what they do best – act irrationally under pressure. First the two that allegedly visited Mr Cadman, then the Liberals raising this to a level to put us common folk in an unwanted untimely election. Hopefully Dion will reign it in quickly.
Why are we purportedly so “surprised” and “shocked” by the Cadman bribery allegation, when Canada’s political system has nurtured this practice for years.
Remember the 2007 Conservative budget that was so rejected by opposition parties it stood no chance of surviving the vote? Surprisingly, Duceppe’s Bloc party later supported the Conservatives and the budget passed. Questioned afterwards on national TV, Duseppie joked that his negative position toward the budget hadn’t changed, but his vote had changed due to the $2.3 billion in federal funding the budget promised Quebec. A bribe by any other name …
Whipped voting is a refined form of bribery that has destroyed our much trumpeted Democracy or Republic. When regional representatives vote a party leaders position, rather than that of their constituents, their salary and position is in reality a bribe. By example, voting their conscience …
So, wake up and smell the roses. Forget this latest nonsense and lets get on with the established (albeit illegal) business of governing Canada. Just don’t be too “surprised” when “backward” countries such as Afghanistan are reluctant to accept our “superior system” of government.