New developments in the Chuck Cadman story are numerous. Many of them have been mentioned here during the day by posters, and there will doubtless be more over the weekend. While the government alleges the late MP, in three sketchy media interviews before his death, said he was never offered anything by the Conservatives or Stephen Harper in return for his vote, three of Mr. Cadman’s immediate family members – wife, adult daughter and son-in-law – disagree. They claim to have been told separately by him that the Cons extended a $1 million life insurance policy in return for his support.
At the least, Mr. Harper admits there was a meeting. He’s on tape as saying it was official, and that financial issues were discussed. Now it’s over to the cops. After all, even trying to bribe an MP is a high crime.
Meanwhile I spoke on the issue during QP and received the following response from government spokesguy James Moore. Regular visitors will remember I defended James a few months ago when he was accused of viewing porn on his laptop in the House. So much for goodwill.
BTW, the lowest and sleaziest moment thus far in a sad tale: Mike Duffy asking Cadman’s daughter, live on TV, if her dying dad was “fuzzy on drugs” when he told her about the Conservative offer. To her credit, she did not tell him to get stuffed.
(video courtesy of Mycelium)
Hon. Garth Turner (l): Thank you, speaker. When I was a Conservative member of parliament, before that party threw me out, I heard the prime minister call Chuck Cadman a poor M.P. The prime minister said Mr. Cadman was more concerned with ethics and with the country than he was with political organization and power.
Mr. Speaker, I have always wondered why the prime minister was so angry at the late Chuck Cadman, but now we know a lot more. Was it simply because he could not be bribed?
The speaker: The honourable parliamentary secretary to the minister of public works.
James Moore (c): Mr. Speaker, how dare — the member from Halton never served with Chuck Cadman. He didn’t know Chuck Cadman. Chuck Cadman supported the prime minister when he was leader of the opposition, supported him in his leadership races. The prime minister wanted him to rejoin the Conservative party.
Chuck Cadman was a dear friend of mine from a neighboring riding. And we always supported Chuck Cadman. He was a fantastic human being, a great member of parliament and a dear friend. He has no proof. He has no evidence that the prime minister ever said that about Chuck Cadman. That’s outrageous.
We honour Chuck Cadman’s memory. He was a dear friend. The member from Halton should withdraw that ridiculous question and statement.
The speaker: Order. The honourable member for Halton.
Hon. Garth Turner (l): Well, mr. Speaker, if that’s how you treat your dear friends, I’m glad I’m not on that side of the aisle anymore. I’ve got to tell you that.
[ Applause ]
The speaker: Order. The honourable member for Halton — order! Order.
– Has the floor for a question. We had better get on with the question. Order.
Hon. Jason Kenney (c): Scumbag!
Hon. Garth Turner (l): Speaker — mr. Speaker –
The speaker: Order. I urge the honourable member for Halton to proceed immediately with his question. We had better get on with it.
Hon. Garth Turner (l): Speaker when, a journalist at the time in 2005 taped the prime minister, asking him about this incident, the prime minister said “I don’t know the details, i just know there were discussions.” Therefore my question is to the right honourable prime minister. Was he deceiving the journalist then or was he shamming the House yesterday?
The speaker: The honourable parliamentary secretary to the minister of public works.
James Moore (c): Well, Mr. Speaker, the issue on this is very clear. Chuck Cadman himself said there was no deal and but remember well when the member of Halton was a member of the Conservative caucus and our government has never been more on track, never been more focused than we kicked him out and threw him back in the liberal party where he belongs.
And he can stay over there and they can have him all he wants. When we threw him out of the Conservative party, Mr. Speaker, he said on national interviews, he said why are they throwing me out? I don’t get it. He wanted to stay in the conservative caucus. With questions like that, he knows clearly why we want nothing to do with Garth Turner.
The speaker: Order.
Note: The Minister of State for Multiculturalism and Canadian Identity, Jason Kenney, stood after QP and apologized for calling me a scumbag. He looked so sad that I accepted, and thought about giving him a hug. — Garth
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Chuck Cadman on three different occasions on tape says no offer was given.The Prime Minister says no offer was given.The lieberals say CALL THE COPS!At the end of the day,PRIME MINISTER HARPER will still be in charge.Stephool…not so much.
That was illuminating. — Garth
The desperation of the Cons is revealing and sickening. They latch onto an out of context interview given by Cadman that does not address the issue at hand.
Want to get into parsing the interview Cadman gave because the lying, self-righteous hypocrites have been caught stone cold dead as the bribing, corrupt pieces of filth they are? Fine.
From the interview: “There were no offers on that table up to that point,”
They tried to bribe him with a position. He said no. UP TO THAT POINT NOTHING ELSE HAD BEEN OFFERED. As their initial salvo failed, they upped the ante, AFTER THAT POINT.
Want to play games with someone’s words who’s no longer here to defend himself while claiming what he told his wife and child are meaningless? Fine. You lose on that count as well.
The issue at hand is: HE WAS OFFERED A ONE MILLION DOLLAR BRIBE IN THE FORM OF A LIFE INSURANCE POLICY. He told his wife. He told his daughter. Harper admitted he knew an unethical offer was being made to Cadman.
It’s over. The lying, crooked hypocrite’s short-lived time as PM is now numbered in months.
Here’s the video clip of the exchange.
You can clearly hear him say ’scumbag’ to which another member asks “Did you just call him a scumbag?”
It’s pretty shameful that these kind of comments are being tossed around in the commons — even if the guy apologised for it.
Anyway, the clip speaks for itself.
Hi all, More to watch out for than just speeding.
I just got an e-mail form a friend,
so I might avoid a costly trafic ticket.
If you pass a park emergency vehical with flashing lights and you have two lanes on your side of the road, you must slow down and move to the land furthest from the shoulder, if safe to do so.
They are giving out tickets. It seem there have been so unfortunate accedence in the last few day. They want to avoid more happening.
excerpt from the Ontario Highway Traffic Act below.
> Approaching stopped emergency vehicle> > 159.1 (1) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producingintermittent flashes of red light or red and blue light that is stopped on ahighway, the driver of a vehicle travelling on the same side of the highwayshall slow down and proceed with caution, having due regard for traffic onand the conditions of the highway and the weather, to ensure that the driverdoes not collide with the emergency vehicle or endanger any person outsideof the emergency vehicle. 2002, c. 21, s. 1; 2007, c. 13, s. 20.> > Same> > (2) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producingintermittent flashes of red light that is stopped on a highway with two ormore lanes of traffic on the same side of the highway as the side on whichthe emergency vehicle is stopped, the driver of a vehicle travelling in thesame lane that the emergency vehicle is stopped in or in a lane that isadjacent to the emergency vehicle, in addition to slowing down andproceeding with caution as required by subsection (1), shall move intoanother lane if the movement can be made in safety. 2002, c. 21, s. 1.
> Offence> > (4) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2) is guilty of anoffence and on conviction is liable,> > (a) for a first offence, to a fine of not less than $400 and not more than$2,000; and> > (b) for each subsequent offence, to a fine of not less than $1,000 and notmore than $4,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months,or to both. 2002, c. 21, s. 1.
Lets all try and keep the road as safe as possible for everyone.
Did Harper ever give instruction to his people not to proceed with any discussions?
On the National tonight, it was clarified that the clip of Cadman stating that no offers were made or asked was in answer to a question about his meeting with PM Paul Martin. Why is the news media (other than CBC)enabling the only lame rebuttal – visual quotes from Cadman – that the ‘Tories’ can dream up?
Hey Garth, I find this new alleged revelation to be quite surprising…. For me, I only remember Cadman as the Independent who kept the Paul Martin Liberal Budget 2005 alive. In the process, Cadman saved the 2005 Atlantic Accord from being killed along with the budget.
In that way, Cadman is looked up by many people in the riding of St.John’s South-Mt.Pearl as a man who helped get a “Fair Deal” for this province! (That’s at least my view). Either way, Siobhan Coady got an interesting quote of Loyola Hearn saying on VOCM Open Line in 2005 that Cadman would support the budget due to his failed health…
If the quote Siobhan Coady featured on her 2006 website turns out to be true, that would mean maybe Mr.Hearn knows about this issue as well?!
Harper is a Liar…In the beginning he appointed Fortier, he lured Emerson across the floor, he betrayed seniors on Income Trusts, he promised transparent and accountable government…then 18 blacked out pages. Harper will say and do anything to gain his coveted majority. His Lackey Lunn fired Linda Keen because she would not tow the line. He trashed Cadman because he would not tow the line. He will trash Rona Cadman and her daughter because they oppose his goals. Harper is a very dangerous man. I hope the opposition parties take him down now.
Hey Garth, I found the link I was referring to earlier. First, go to http://www.votecoady.com
Second, go to the side caption “Loyola Hearn would have voted against Accord, on principle”
Link: http://www.votecoady.com/news.htm#accord
(Or if you’d like to read it below…)
” FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 20, 2005
Loyola Hearn would have voted against Accord, on principle
ST. JOHN’S Loyola Hearn has admitted to what the Siobhan Coady campaign has been saying all along: that he voted to bring down the Liberal government, a move that would have killed the Atlantic Accord legislation.
“Hearn says it was okay because he knew the vote would pass anyway,” Siobhan Coady said. “However, Hearn admits that he would have voted against government anyway, on principle. Once again we have to ask the question: Why didn’t he stand up for Newfoundland and Labrador?”
Mr. Hearn made the admission Thursday evening on VOCM Nightline, to host Linda Swain.
Hearn’s vote against his province generated considerable media attention at the time, including some sharp words from Premier Danny Williams. In May of 2005, after securing changes to the Atlantic Accord, Premier Williams asked for the support of Loyola Hearn and Norm Doyle. He cautioned that if Hearn and Doyle defeat the budget bill, they would in effect be voting against the Atlantic Accord. Premier Williams pointed out that Hearn himself had earlier challenged Liberal MPs from this province to stand up to their leader.
“Based on where the Conservative Party has been, and where Mr. Hearn has been, I see a change in position,” Williams told CBC at the time. “If Mr. Hearn wants to trade off his province for his country, then that’s his decision.” (Read the full article at http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/print/nf-accord-mps-050516).
Following is a transcript of the relevant quotes from Loyola Hearn on Nightline. (There is some preamble, including a discussion about the number of MPs who were present. Hearn says his party voted for the specific Atlantic Accord bill, but against the budget bill. We encourage media to listen to the full segment.)
LOYOLA HEARN:
People might say ‘But that could have caused the defeat of government’ and only for an independent it would have been defeated. But whenever there is a vote in the House, those in favour always vote first. And the Liberal members in the House, the NDP who were supporting them because they were bought at the time, and a couple of independents including Mr. Cadman, stood up and voted. And we knew Mr. Cadman was going to vote. We knew who would be voting even before we went into the House. So when we stood up to vote the bill hadn’t passed, but half the House had voted for it exactly half the House.
LINDA SWAIN:
Are you saying you voted against it because you knew it was going to pass?
LOYOLA HEARN:
We would have voted against it anyway on principle, but we had five members – three from Nova Scotia and two from Newfoundland – who were dependent on getting the Atlantic Accord through. We hadn’t gotten it through actually, it had been passed, but we didn’t want to lose it in the kerfuffle, and all it would take was somebody with a head cold, or a bleeding nose, a cough or whatever, to slip out behind the curtain and we had talked about that. But we knew that the Atlantic Accord was safe, that the bill was going to pass, simply because the numbers were there We knew that Mr. Cadman for the right reasons, for his family reasons, was going to vote with the government. So we had no doubt at all that government would not be defeated that night.
LINDA SWAIN:
Loyola Hearn, we are rapidly running out of time. We’ll give you a few extra seconds
LOYOLA HEARN:
Just basically to say, number one, we always voted for the budget bill and when we stood up and voted against another bill that had nothing to do with the Atlantic Accord, by the way, we knew what we were doing.
LINDA SWAIN:
Alright Loyola Hearn, thank you very much.
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So Garth, would you ask Loyola Hearn about this in QP when you get the chance?!
The comments that you attributed to Mr Harper are now a he said he said matter.
I was quoting Mr Moore who stated in QP it did not take place.
What the post does not show is the sarcasam that both the question and answer were played out.
It started with this guy called Holland. What an idiot !!!
I guess all the MP’s will sleep well with their pay increase of $4500.00 for sitting in the house 27 weeks of a year. This brings their base salary to $155 K annually. After the dismal display of the MPs the past year I have a problem with a raise. I thought if you people were interested in the citizens of this country at least someone in opposition would have denounced this raise.
This allegation is old news. But since it is now in a book the MSM makes out that this is a totally new allegation. This allegation was widely reported press when the all important vote was to take place. His wife also made the same comment then.
Cadman was very clear in his comments about neither the Liberal or Conservative party not making any offers for his vote.
So who are we to believe? Cadman’s own words or a reporter who is pushing his book on Cadman. I believe Cadman myself.
Hi Blogers,
Does anyone have a link to
‘Jody Cadman told CTV Newsnet’s Mike Duffy Live’.
I’d like to see it.
Thanks in advance.
By Am,
The news clip I saw has Cadman saying neither party made any offers.
Did Harper ever give instruction to his people not to proceed with any discussions?
By Johnny on 02.29.08 9:52 pm
Yes, In fact he told them to forget it because he knew Cadman was going to vote with the Liberals and he (Harper) understood his reasons for doing so.
Garth,
I agree with you about Mike Duffy in his questioning of Cadman’s daughter. Since she did not tell him to get stuffed, it’s about time someone else did–about time someone told him to his face that his extreme Conservative bias has no place in national broadcasting.
“The Duff” is getting more sickening every night. I watch the show just to see his current spin. He tries at every turn to slant things for the CONs; he cuts people off when they don’t support the CON agenda. The sad thing is that people might actually see this as news reporting.
Whatever happens–don’t EVER let the CBC be privatized!
The only reasons Harper got elected was because he promised an open, transparent and accountable government, he promised to stop the patronage, he promised to protect seniors savings in Income Trusts…he promised many things people really believed he would deliver. The whole set of promises was based on myths, deception, falsehoods and betrayal….It was all Lies and he continues to try an fool Canadians, fabricate more deception, more smokescreens, more Lies. It’s time to take him down. Canada and Canadians deserve so much better.
Well, we have Cadman’s daughter and Son-in-law admitting they were told by Chuck, we have the prime minister on tape, and now we have Chuck himself , who admitted on a vancouver radio station there WAS a offer….when will the liberals bring this government down ??
http://jimcotton.blogspot.com/2008/02/cadman-scandel-picks-up-steam-rcmp-now.html
Take your motion sickness pills people,the CPC spin is going to dizzying.
I’d be more than happy to see Harper take a serious shot to his political nutz over this.
So who is going to take the fall?
Doug Finley? Not likely, he’s a CPC backroom power broker and knows to many secrets. Unless he agrees to fall on the sword for Harper, in which case Mr. Finley might be looking at a serious criminal investigation.
Dona Cadman? A less valuable political piece than Finley. Easy to slime too, just say she and her family are liars, trying to profit from lies told in a book they are selling.
Personally I think Mrs Cadman is going to have a very short self life in the CPC. Maybe she could get “Political Life Insurance” from the Insurance Firm of Finley, Flanagan and Lunn, it alleged that they can insure anyone, even the un-insurable,… I don’t see why they could get a Political Policy for Mrs Cadman.
CadScam continues,…
“BTW, the lowest and sleaziest moment thus far in a sad tale: Mike Duffy asking Cadman’s daughter, live on TV, if her dying dad was “fuzzy on drugs” when he told her about the Conservative offer. To her credit, she did not tell him to get stuffed.”
Someone should stuff an apple in his mouth.
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“He has no proof. He has no evidence that the prime minister ever said that about Chuck Cadman. That’s outrageous.”
Outrageous eh? Whoa, that’s a big word.
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“He looked so sad that I accepted, and thought about giving him a hug. — Garth”
That was awight. Down home get you giggling stuff.
If I didn’t know better, I just might think you are enjoying this….
I see a little voodoo doll, and a bearded man with pins. I give him WOP me Momma when da morning come..
Chuck Cadman was an honourable man. Garth Turner is an honourable man.
The offer of a life insurance policy to a dying man is not just attempted bribery of a Member of Parliament but is major insurance fraud.
The persons responsible or condoning this bribery attempt bring dishonour to Parliament and our country.
Let us hope the RCMP fully investigate the criminal conduct which thankfully has been revealed and that where appropriate criminal charges are brought.
“the lowest and sleaziest moment thus far in a sad tale: Mike Duffy asking Cadman’s daughter, live on TV, if her dying dad was “fuzzy on drugs” when he told her about the Conservative offer.”
Garth, I agree. I was completely unhinged by Duffy’s insensitivity and obvious attempt to discredit Chuck.
Just saw you on the National tonight Garth.
PULL THE FREAKING PLUG, AND DO IT NOW!!!
Indeed, the Conservatives’ defence is sad.
And Mike Duffy’s feigned “puzzlement” at why Chuck would tell his family about the bribe, but not tell the media, is a freaking joke. How can that fool think he has any credibilty as a journalist, or whatever he claims to be.
Just because Chuck skirted the sordid details in the last stage of his life doesn’t mean he was lying to the press. As has been stated, he chose his words carefully.
Anyone who has had the privilege of being with a terminally ill person knows how very greatly one’s priorities change, and what one feels is worth spending dwindling energy on.
If the Conservatives had any spine or ethics, they would do the honourable thing, admit the obvious, and as Paul Martin did, initiate an investigation to get to the bottom of it. Unfortunately, it would appear this open and accountable crowd will bank on Canadians being too thick to notice, and carry on with their lies. Seems to be working for Mulroney…full public enquiry is slowly fading into the sunset…WAKE UP, CANADA!
For anyone that missed it.
News Alert: Demand Democratic Debates
Help by signing the petition.
http://www.greenparty.ca/en/news/02.27.2008
Why should you care that a few people in the corporate control media thinks they can decide anyway???
Naomi Wolf Warns we are in Slow Descent into Fascism.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/11/28/the_end_of_america_feminist_social
Tell ALL the Party Leaders that they will lose votes if they take part in bebates that discriminate against an large party in Canada.
They don’t have a manopoly on ideas.
Are there words backed up by deeds?
What do thet really stand for and how are that really looking out for?
We the people need to hear from all leaders of all major parties because they could be the PM one day.
Most people get there info. from TV and the people in power know it.
Do we live in a free society, or are
we being manipulated by a few?
They only have power because we let them have it. We need to take it back while we still can!
Don’t you care what kind of world we are making for ourselfs and your families? Are the good people of this work going to allow the sociopathes to keep control and make us slaves?
Are you a critical-thinker?
Do you know about climate change?
Do you know about peak-oil?
Do you care about other human beings?
On the National tonight, it was clarified that the clip of Cadman stating that no offers were made or asked was in answer to a question about his meeting with PM Paul Martin.-end quote
That is right! I well remember the media hounding Chuck Cadman because they were trying to imply that Liberals are all unethical while CRAPPERS are as pure as the driven snow.
Interesting isn’t it who really is unethical.
James Moores behaviour in the House today is beyond sleasy and unprincipled. But that is typical CON style. sigh…..
Mr Garth TurnerMp,
I’m looking forward to seeing the Dion Liberal plan and the other parties plans,when the government fall and the next election is on.
I hope to see all the leaders in the TV Debates. Maybe on CPAC!
If a few people think the can subvert the democatic free election debates in Canade by trying to control which Party
Leaders the people get to hear from.
Do the Party Leaders beleive in a free and fair debate? Do they think they have all the best ideas for making Canada and the world a better place for everyones future? If they do they are mad and I wouldn’t want them as PM anyway.
Let them lie all they want. This left the court of public opinion yesterday.
This explains a lot – Palestinian loss of land 1946 to 2000 [pic]
http://www.funhostr.com/p/nab7FZkc/This_explains_a_lot
Remember Harper’s SPP deal to hamonize our standard with the USA and Mexico.
Many consumers want to know if their milk is produced without bovine growth hormone. Utah House member is fighting to keep them in the dark. By the way, he’s a non-organic dairy farmer
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_8398823
LET!S ROLL!!!!!
Nearly Half of Americans Turn to Web for News; Almost 70% Think Traditional Journalism is Out of Touch
http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSN2824760420080229?rpc=64
I guess you it’s harder to have human beings KILL other human beings if they can see get good information and learn to think for them selfs.
Air Force blocking access to more blogs.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/27/air-force-blocking-access-to-more-blogs/
MP Garth, thank you for your self-control in the face of such… such… ignorance. Smarmy ignorance. Taunting ignorance. Sheer stupidity, shamelessly flogged to Canadians as governance.
If it had been me in your position, I would have bopped Kenney a good hard right in his mothersucker as soon as he left the HoC.
GRRRR!
Which is why you are there and I thankfully am here. Make no mistake, should Kenney and I ever cross paths there will be words. Moore is a patsy and he can count on me to make sure people in his riding know it.
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All that ignominy aside, the central questions have not been answered:
What did Harper know and when did he know it? What did Harper mean in 2005 tape that is incorrect now? Was Harper lying then, or is he lying now? Who were those two thrown out of Cadman’s office May 17th?
Just the facts, ma’am errrr PM Harper.
Yeah, Harper tried to tell the mystery Cons they were wasting their time, but he didn’t stop them:
Harper: “No, no, they were legitimately representing the party. I said don’t press him. I mean, you have this theory that it’s, you know, financial insecurity and, you know, just, you know, if that’s what you’re saying, make that case but don’t press it. I don’t think, my view was, my view had been for two or three weeks preceding it, was that Chuck was not going to force an election. I just, we had all kinds of our guys were calling him, and trying to persuade him, I mean, but I just had concluded that’s where he stood and respected that.”
Case closed.
Is it time for the polygraph?
A good investigator when faced with conflicting evidence will sometimes ask those involved to take a polygraph, although not admissible as evidence in a court of law, usually the police and Crown will use the results as an investigative tool.
Is anyone up for a polygraph?
Garth,
The prime minister said Mr. Cadman was more concerned with ethics and with the country than he was with political organization and power.
Mr. Speaker, I have always wondered why the prime minister was so angry at the late Chuck Cadman, but now we know a lot more. Was it simply because he could not be bribed?
That says it all.
Now, get a NEW Speaker, because he has no BALLS!
By Sid on 02.29.08 9:45 pm
BINGO!
AM in BC –
You asked – “Why is the news media (other than CBC)enabling the only lame rebuttal – visual quotes from Cadman – that the ‘Tories’ can dream up?”
Answer – Perhaps because it’s the best the Cons have to offer in defence?
We’re talking politics here, and in politics anymore it seems as though the last line of defence is the truth. Until forced to use the truth, as an absolute last resort, you lie, lie, lie… Anything but admit responsibility.
Going to be hard for Harper to cover this one up. No pages to blank out. Can,t use the sham of not giving information in the interest of National Security. I was sure they,d be able to think up something.
Harper declares he honoured and respected Chuck Cadman. Saying he was one of the best M.P,s Canada,s ever had.
Then he fired him. Proof positive, it seems, that if your an exemplarary M.P you get the boot. It all makes sense now what happened to Garth.
Joke came in this morning. No offence to anyone of the Catholic (or any other) faith.
Catholic golf….
A Catholic priest and a nun were taking a rare afternoon off and enjoying a round of golf.
The priest stepped up to the first tee and took a mighty swing. He missed the ball entirely and said “Shit, I missed.”
The good Sister told him to watch his language.
On his next swing, he missed again. “Shit, I missed.” “Father, I’m not going to play with you if you keep swearing,” the nun said tartly.
The priest promised to do better and the round continued. On the 4th tee, he misses again. The usual comment followed.
Sister is really mad now and says, “Father John, God is going to strike you dead if you keep swearing like that.”
On the next tee, Father John swings and misses again. “Shit, I missed.”
A terrible rumble is heard and a gigantic bolt of lightning comes out of the sky and strikes Sister Marie dead in her tracks.
And from the sky comes a booming voice …….
“Shit, I missed!”
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Even the head honcho has off days!
Tell ya what, when Mr. Dion tells us where the still missing $40 million is and gives it back: then they can talk ethics and morals. K?
By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:37 pm
I suppose when harpo and dim jim return the several billion in IT retirement / investment income funds to investors who ended up unknowingly taking a bath, then Dion can come clean.
This whole debacle has become verrrrrryyy interesting. It should be finished within a year or so. Let the chips fall where they may.
Well one thing is for sure Garth, your a way better writer than a QP yeller. LOL.
Of course the cons are yelling out loud about you, because they always do that, disgusting van loan types and all. Well if you all INSIST on an election let’s let it be over the WheatBoard or say JFK’s latest Canadian lovechild.
Because conservative governments are generally really handy for breaking up media regulation and striking down anti-concentration laws?
Just as a guess.
Plus, there’s the “two sides to every story” thing. There’s really only one side to this story: the conservatives tried to bribe Cadman, and he said no, they tried to bury it, and Harper was uncharacteristically foolish in assuming that a book interview couldn’t hit the national stage. The other “side” is just lame spin.
Of course, they’re all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but they’re all public figures, and I think Canadians will draw their own conclusions.
Breaking news!
Bloggers find the best suspect name of the insurance company that was used by the Shiny New Conservatives to attempt to bribe Chuck Cadman!
http://www.thewealthadvisory.com/life_insurance_serv
The connection? Harper was president of the National Citizen’s Coalition from late ‘97 to late 2001 before stepping down to assume control of the Conservative party. Harpers connections to Colin T. Brown junior and likeminded bid to rid Canada of universal healthcare for a U.S. model that stood to open the door to U.S. insurance companies to a 33 million population private medicare insurance market is more than enough incentive to invest in a million dollar write off.
They had the motive AND the means to offer a dying man a life insurance policy for a vote to take down a Liberal government with Conservative majority poll numbers.
We came that close to losing it, Canadians, except for the integrity of an honest politician in blue jeans… the Honorable Chuck Cadman.
Harpers secret agenda can be found here.
http://nationalcitizens.ca/doc_bin/agenda_can
Quicktime:
http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/boag-2cadman080229.mov
Jodi Cadman urges Dona Cadman to run as an independent.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/02/29/bc-dona-cadman-future.html
Flarehty says Ontario worst place in Canada to invest.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080229/flaherty_budget_080229/20080229?hub=Canada
Polls suggest Canadians support McGuinty overwelmingly over Flarehty rhetoric.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/02/29/ont-mcguintypoll.html
National Post ordered by the courts to hand over false documents that produced Shawinigate Chretien smear. Some journalists say information should be protected. (the ones that assume the National Post is an actual credible media source) link below:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/02/29/post-appeal.html
The Canadian economy is poised for hard times. These numbers are ugly, particularly the numbers in terms of foreign takeovers and its percentage of GDP. Do we have large cap corps left to sell off?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wcurrent29/BNStory/energy/
I keep remembering the words of Lyin’ Brian last year as he lauded Canada as doing great in the area of M & A’s with Flarehty nodding his head in chorus. A clip of the link is as follows:
“Mr. Porter pointed out that for all of last year, foreign direct investment inflows hit a record $115-billion, representing 7.5 per cent of gross domestic product, and more than double the outflow by Canadian companies investing outside the country.
The net number shows a massive inflow of $62-billion in 2007, he said, the largest on record in dollar amounts but also the highest as a share of GDP.
“This wave of foreign direct investment, largely reflecting heavy-duty takeover activity, was a key reason for the Canadian dollar’s amazing surge last year, especially in the autumn,” Mr. Porter said. “The record net inflow also makes a mockery of the oft-cited assertion that Canadian firms are investing as much abroad as foreign firms are pouring into Canada. This report says: NOT!”
Mr. Porter said the report showed clearly the impact of the dollar’s surge.
“The mighty loonie is carving deeply into Canada’s net trade performance, with more to come despite record commodity prices,” Mr. Porter said. “At the same time, one of the underlying causes of the loonie’s surge is also on clear display — the wave of foreign takeover activity.”
Enough is enough. Defeat this government now!!! Harper must be removed from office.
Why is the news media (other than CBC)enabling the only lame rebuttal – visual quotes from Cadman – that the ‘Tories’ can dream up?
By AM in BC on 02.29.08 9:59 pm
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Ties that bind CanWest to the Conservatives. Aspers and Harper.
David Asper is currently the Executive Vice President of the Canadian media company CanWest Global Communications Corp. He is also Chairman of the National Post newspaper.
Asper is the eldest son of the late Izzy Asper, founder of CanWest Global. He is the brother of Leonard Asper, current president of CanWest Global. Asper endorsed Toronto Conservative candidate and former Global news anchor Peter Kent in the 2006 Canadian federal election.
As the 2006 federal election approached, David Asper dispelled any doubt that might have remained about his political leanings. At a campaign rally, he joined Harper onstage to endorse his candidacy. The open declaration of personal support for a politician was something new for media owners in Canada. “You have to wonder about the wisdom of Mr. Asper’s endorsement of Mr. Harper,” noted Christopher Dornan, director of Carleton University’s journalism school. “Not from Mr. Asper’s point of view, but from Mr. Harper’s. Why invite accusations of having the press in your pocket?”
“It ties the media companies into an existing social network of decision-makers that affect policy and government regulation in Canada,” noted Carleton communication professor Dwayne Winseck.
“I don’t think that people prominently associated with one political party are appropriate people to chair the board of a media company,” said Russell Mills. “It doesn’t create the right climate for journalists to work in.”
The attempted bribery of Chuck Cadman by Harper Conservatives, while scandalous, is only a foil to deflect and distract Canadians from what Harper and Ian Brodie are up to regarding Afghanistan, Obama, Bush and most likely Hillier and his duo-gang in Texas.
When will Canadians learn from its government or its trusty free press the extent that certain factions in Canada and the US seem to be meddling in free elections? Google Bush, Obama and Ian Brodie’s name comes up like flies on feces.
Time for Harper to tell Canadians what that is all about.
As if.
MP Garth: Kenney and Van Loan are in sore need of a smartin’ slap upside the head. Dare them to take it up outside the House!
That wurm Moore will be handled here. Good friend of Cadman he calls himself, eh? Moore’s going to show his face in Surrey, good friend of Chuck that he is, eh? Yes, indeedly do neighbour, come on over! There’s a pancake breakfast with your name on it James Moore.
Come on down!
Thanks for the summary of the events Garth “Scumbag” Turner. I think you deserve a better nickname than the one suggested in the House.
If an offer was made, the law was
broken, Szabo said.
“Absolutely. It doesn’t matter whether you did it or not, if you just made the offer, the attempt, that’s equally serious.”
If there was even an offer to compensate Cadman for election costs, as Harper said in 2005, there would be ethical considerations, Szabo said.
“That is going to be problematic as well,” he said.
“You’re talking about financial considerations still for the purpose of inducing a member to do or not do something — for instance affecting their vote. It’s one of the reasons you have to look at it.”
Under parliamentary rules, MPs found guilty of “influence pedaling” can lose their seat and be banned from running for five years, and even face financial penalties, Szabo said.
He said reputations are at risk and the ethics committee needs to take action on the Cadman accusations as soon as possible.
Now we have another tape from a Vancouver radio station where Chuck confirms an offer was made to him by the Cons
If there is any justice in this country Harper and his Clowns should be removed from their seats and banned and fined to the full extent of the law -What a disgrace these people are to the name Canadian!
O/T, but can anyone explain why a Canadian MP’s pic is on Charles McVety’s website Word.ca?
The same McVety who has the ear of Harper?
Isn’t there a rule about MPs advertising for groups while in office? If not, why not?
Congratulations Garth for diverting Parliament’s and Canadian’s attention away from the Afghanistan debate and the budget debate.
Folks, there are some real facts here.
1 – Chuck Cadman, himself stated there were no offers.
2 – Dona Cadman was not present in the meetings between Chuck Cadman and party officials.
3 – Daughter Cadman was not present in the meetings between Chuck Cadman and party officials.
4 – Daughter Cadman’s husband was not present in the meetings between Chuck Cadman and party officials.
5 – Paul Martin (Liberal ex-PM and still sitting MP) wrote the foreword of this book.
6 – Dona Cadman supported the NDP candidate in her riding, in the 2006 election.
7 – The author is marketing his book.
8 – The author is selling the video tapes.
Dona Cadman, her daughter, and the daughter’s husband stories are just that – stories and hearsay. Hearsay is not admissable in any courts.
Not to take anything away from the fact that it was a remark intended towards you personally Garth, but -
note: The Minister of State for Multiculturalism and Canadian Identity, Jason Kenney, stood after QP and apologized for calling me a scumbag. He looked so sad that I accepted, and thought about giving him a hug. — Garth
He should have appologized “during” QP in plain view for all Canadians. His remark is offensive not to only to you, but all Canadians.
When I see this sort of crap in “our” House of Commons, my blood boils.
I don’t personally care if you folks over on The Hill want to beat each other to a pulp behind closed doors if that’s what you choose to do, but there is no excuse for this conduct to be in the public eye.
The Cons would tear you to shreds given half a chance and you know it. So why show any sort of compassion for them?
I’ve got a couple of dogs here that have a talent for pulling off the “sad” look when they know they’ve done wrong. It still doesn’t stop them from grabbing my darned rolaids if I make the mistake of leaving them on the coffee table. Wanna stop by sometime and hug them too?
Garth, ever think that Mike Duffy was trying to give the daughter a way out of their 15 minutes of fame?
Not to take anything away from the fact that it was a remark intended towards you personally Garth, but -
note: The Minister of State for Multiculturalism and Canadian Identity, Jason Kenney, stood after QP and apologized for calling me a scumbag. He looked so sad that I accepted, and thought about giving him a hug. — Garth
He should have appologized “during” QP in plain view for all Canadians. His remark is offensive not to only to you, but all Canadians.
When I see this sort of crap in “our” House of Commons, my blood boils.
I don’t personally care if you folks over on The Hill want to beat each other to a pulp behind closed doors if that’s what you choose to do, but there is no excuse for that conduct to be in the public eye.
Afterall, The Taliban are watching and what are they to think? Go ahead and shoot me, I’ll just hug you back.
Gloves off, no more Mr. Nice guy, huh?
The Cons would tear you to shreds given half a chance and you know it. So why show any sort of compassion for them?
I’ve got a couple of dogs here that have a talent for pulling off the “sad” look when they know they’ve done wrong. It still doesn’t stop them from grabbing my darned rolaids if I make the mistake of leaving them on the coffee table. Wanna stop by sometime and hug them too? At least they won’t bite you when your back is to them.
There is even a delightful bit where an obviously nervous Harper says to Zytaruk:
“Uh, this is not for publication?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PevvRFbp6Y
I hope the M/f’rs get 14 YEARS in prison
Who’s calling The Hon. Garth a S/Bag?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF3tGU0yRdQ
I hope those COWBOYS ARE DOUBLE-JOINTED. THEY CAN KISS IT GOODBYE! “YOUR LEADER IS A LIAR!”
Regardless of whether or not an election is ‘immediately’ forthcoming, Stephen Harper’s Conservatives have long since LOST THE MORAL AUTHORITY TO GOVERN.
This latest example of corruption quite DEFINITIVELY PROVES IT.
There are NO ifs, ands or buts about it.
Quite an’ impressive’ record for barely two years in office.
SHAME, SHAME INDEED!!!
Harper says to Zytaruk:
“Uh, this is not for publication?”
HIT SHOR IS, BAAAAAABBBEEEEEE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFdeO7bE70E
<b?Well, we sure KNOW THEM NOW, Don’t We!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWIeRiT9AM
Have a ‘nice’ night all. I’m over to Leasa’s for a TRAMP-O-LEAN RIDE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBNoHbigw5E
Dear Garth,
Just a couple of things:
1) As an honourable member of Parliament you don’t need PROOF of your statements. Stating them in the House of Commons is proof enough.
2) After losing the vote to bring down the House in 2005 Stephen Harper dissappeared for several days and when he came back the first words out of his mouth were, “This is not the time to be looking for a new leader of our Party…”
3) Along with Dona Cadman and the Cadman’s daughter and son-in-law, now they’re lashing out and calling eveybody liars including YOU!!! Do the Conservatives honestly believe they have an EXCLUSIVE CLAIM ON THE TRUTH???
4) Are there NO people of honour and integrity left in the Conservative Party???
Sincerely,
MB
It’s pretty shameful that these kind of comments are being tossed around in the commons — even if the guy apologised for it.
By Kevin M on 02.29.08 9:45 pm
Is this any different then the Official Opposition preventing the PM from speaking by shouting and screaming when he rose to speak as the the Speaker tried to gain order?
no offer given……..they gave him nothing because he accepted nothing, THAT DOES NOT MEAN HO OFFER WAS MADE, now on tape PMSH states in his own words of an offer being made THAT IS AN OFFER MADE AND THAT IS CALLED A POLITICAL BRIBE. AND Dat’s a CRIME! so perhaps if the Conservatives want to get tough on Crime then they should turn themselves in first, lead by example.
Now back to earth, which one of us being in Mr. Cadman’s shoes would want to spend his last few days/months with all the brouhaha of the press copuhed in the wrath of Stephen Harper. I suggest he decided to do just what he did, knowing the wonderful love and support he had in his family and friends fully knowing that Steve Harper & Co’s day would come……and so it has.
I am but only ode poster but I will demand that ever Conservative that does not believe the Candman family stand in H of C and say so or fold your tent up an and resign your post while you still have some decency left. Most likely will not happen because it may have not been there since Steve took it away.
From today’s Le Devoir editorial: ‘Si cette tentative de corruption était prouvée, l’autorité morale du premier ministre Stephen Harper et de son gouvernement serait irrémédiablement atteinte.’ My rough translation : it this corruption attempt was proven, the moral authority of Prime Minister Stephen Harper and of his government would irremediably be affected. Ouch – from Le Devoir, the least Liberal paper in Canada, no less.
By Bob R. on 02.29.08 9:30 pm
Here’s mt summary of the Harper interview with the journalist:
1. Harper knew how Mr. Cadman was going to vote well in advance.
2. Harper knew why Mr. Cadman was going to vote that way and “respected his decision.”
3. Harper knew hell would freeze over before Mr. Cadman changed his mind.
yet:
4. Two conservative officials still wanted to talk to Mr. Cadman
5. And Harper knew that those discussions were to deal with “financial coonsiderations.”
So there are only three questions to be asked of our Prime Minister:
1. Who were the two goons, sorry party officials, he allowed to speak with Mr. Cadman?
2. What are the details of the “financial considerations.” Noone believes Mr. Harper was not made aware of them and
3. If he knew Mr. Cadman would not change his mind and respected his decision, why did he allow his party officials to visit Mr. Cadman?
AM in BC on 02.29.08 9:59 pm,
These people are not “Tories.”
In the clip I saw from the Duffy interview Cadman did not say that “nothing” was offered by the Conservatives. I have not heard the Global version. The other clip clearly indicated that Cadman was referring to Paul Martin when he said nothing was offered.
It is clear that the Conservatives are going a bit over the top in trying to use Cadman’s words which undermines their creditability.
What I find interesting is the way that they have adopted the “Colin Powell” tactic of sacrificing their most creditable MPs such as Jim Prentice and James Moore in order to defend Harper. We know what that did to Powell and what it may do to the careers of Prentice and Moore.
By Bill-Muskoka on 02.29.08 1:33 pm
Oh Bill…how are ya? You should not be happy about this at all. Do you forget who was trying with malice and vengeance to unseat Mr. Chretien while he was a ’sitting Prime Minister’? Think hard Bill…Does Paul Martin and his minions ring a bell? LOL
“Assuming the document was forged, either the forger or some other person sent it to the National Post to create controversy and undermine the authority of a sitting Prime Minister of Canada,” it said. “The National Post itself admitted that if the document was forged, it would be evidence of a criminal conspiracy to force a duly elected Prime Minister from office.”
By Leasa on 02.29.08 2:36 pm
Once again the Hyper Partisan Queen weighs in.
Grasping at straws, gasping with speculation and wishful thinking, foaming at the mouth and oozing venom from every pore, was there ever a person more consumed with hatred than Leasa?
By Gord on 03.01.08 12:20 am
Not according to the papers Bob R
Radio tapes support claim of Tory offer
Steve Rennie
The Canadian Press
OTTAWA (Mar 1, 2008)
The voice of a cancer-stricken MP who died months after a historic confidence vote came back to haunt the Conservatives yesterday after a three-year-old radio interview surfaced in which Chuck Cadman says party officials made him financial overtures.
In a June 12, 2005, interview on Vancouver radio station CKNW, Cadman said the Tories did, in fact, make him financial offers days before the crucial vote.
“There was certainly some … offers made and some things along those lines about not opposing me and helping out with the finances of the campaign … But, again, you know, that’s all part of the deal that goes on,” Cadman says.
The interview lent credence to claims from Cadman’s family that the terminally ill Independent MP — on whose shoulders rested the fate of Paul Martin’s Liberal government — told them Tory officials allegedly offered him a $1-million life insurance policy in exchange for his support. Cadman’s widow, Dona — a Conservative candidate — told CTV News her husband was livid at the alleged offer
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/333134
He looked so sad that I accepted, and thought about giving him a hug. — Garth
Unless its against parliamentary rules, ad you would incur the rath of the Speaker… next time, “Mr. Speaker, this man looks like he needs a hug!” and just do it!
Yes, In fact he told them to forget it because he knew Cadman was going to vote with the Liberals and he (Harper) understood his reasons for doing so.
By Van on 02.29.08 10:25 pm
In which case they disobeyed the orders of their party leader and we all know what the consequences of that are in the CPC. Yet, we haven’t heard of anyone getting fired!
So the answer is, No, he did not instruct them not to go visit Mr. Cadman. All he told them was they were wasting their time.
On Monday, the NDP’s Joe Comartin told a press conference that he and his colleagues in opposition had failed to properly protect the rights of Omar Khadr. “We are not going to remain silent anymore,” he vowed.
In the ensuing five sessions of Question Period, this apologetic, but resurgent, opposition united to ask exactly one question about Mr. Khadr’s plight.
In the meantime, right at the critical moment of confidence votes coming up, the Afghanistan War and the Canadian policy theree has suddenly become a non-issue during the past week. The budget has suddenly become a non-issue.
The environmental issue is not being addressed.
We are being consumed with vendettas based on personal animosity, revenge and hatred with a preoccupaton over what a dead man may have or may not have said, while the real issues go unnoticed, unmentioned and ignored.
This is why disdain for politicians of all political stripes is at an all-time high, especially for those who come across self-righteously in a partisan, political way, either implicitly or explicitly suggesting that being corrupt or squeaky clean can be defined according to which political party you belong to.
This is what Canadians are sick of, and it will do Canada no good to go ever deeper into this morass of accusation and bitterness while our whole focus is being diverted from the real issues which get ignored and go unaddressed.
In the Star today, Jodi’s own words on why her father kept this offer from the media:
Jodi Cadman said her mother was surprised at the furor raised by her revelations.
“She’s probably a bit more naive than I am.” As for why her father didn’t go public about the issue, Cadman said he was tired and knew the controversy that would result.
“It was the end of his life. He would not have had the strength or energy to deal with this,” she said. “He knew what the truth was, the people close to him knew the truth, and for him, that was enough.”
I believe that was the Cons only defence, that Chuck stated on national TV that there was no offer. His daughter tells us why he didn’t disclose all.
Pull the plug, and remember to ask at every point, Garth, “How many investigations are you Conservatives under?”
You know, it’s like kids – when mad they resort to name calling. Scumbag? Ah, I’m not aware of Garth being involved in anything criminal or sleazy – the CPC’s need a dictionary.
I remember those days and remember Cadman being interviewed and I remember most of the questioning was about Paul Martin. I remember Cadman saying Martin talked with him about what policies were important to him and it was about crime – as you may remember Cadman’s son was murdered.
I wonder, just wonder, if Harper thought that by having Cadman’s wife run for the Conservatives that she’d keep quiet or stand up for him or something.
More curious – NDP rather silent. Is this hurting their plan that they’ve worked out with Harper to destroy the Liberals? C’mon – Pat Martin usually gets all bent out of shape over something like this. What deal have the NDP had with the CPC’s?
Duffy is really losing his credibility.
Integrity needs to be applied to all sides here. Zytaruk said that the taped interview was only for the book, but it turns out that it was taped for the mass media, and is being bootlegged for a considerable price.
Nobody on this blog seems to mind at all that he lied, and that he is now profiting from that lie with impunity.
The now infamous book about Mr. Cadman sits, as 4:30 p.m. on February 29, at #6,284 on the Amazon.ca bestseller list. Despite some fine publicity this week, it remains well back of Valerie Bertinelli’s Losing It.
Yawn!!! Oh here’s another exclusive the Liberals think they have caught PMSH in. You think you would of learnt that he is actually smarter than you and certainly smart enough that he knows that this alleged affair would be illegal. And yet, the talking heads such as you, jump on the rhetoric wagon and hurl as much filth and accusations at Mr. Harper as you can. Of course, this can only end in one out of two ways. One, you bring down the government on it, there is an election and you most certainly lose your seat, because most of us are tired of your schoolyard antics, and the CPC retains a minority government. Secondly, this whole affair is cleared, which is obviously fabricated, and the blowhards like you are not held accountable for the millions that went into investigating it. This is the reason why you will be gone in the next election. Thank you for posting this sir.
You forgot Option Three. — Garth
Do you tink eet is eezee to call for an election?
I do!!!! Out with the lying untrustworthy CRAP.
The polling has begun – I had an Angus Reid poll sent via e-mail; it dealt mostly with the federal budget, then onto which leader’s approach was more or less favourable; then how I would vote in my own Riding; then which political party did I vote for in the last federal election. And away we go…
Dona Cadman, her daughter, and the daughter’s husband stories are just that – stories and hearsay. Hearsay is not admissable in any courts.
By Catherine on 03.01.08 4:49 am
Funny, I thought Mr. Harper said, on tape, that although he didn’t know the details, two party officials did talk to Mr. Cadman about “financial considerations.”
Is that hearsay?
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Garth, ever think that Mike Duffy was trying to give the daughter a way out of their 15 minutes of fame?
By Catherine on 03.01.08 4:51 am
How much lower can you sink?
The only Con defence so far is to distort the meaning of the recorded word. Good luck with that one. But I would not pull the plug on the Government just yet. Flagrant attempted bribery is too great an issue to be thrown into a pot with the budget and other election issues.
How about a barbecue of PMSH in the House first? Demand his resignation, building up to an opposition non-confidence motion for attempted bribery and misleading the House with his “explanations”.
Don’t just pull the plug, flush the system!
“the lowest and sleaziest moment thus far in a sad tale: Mike Duffy asking Cadman’s daughter, live on TV, if her dying dad was “fuzzy on drugs” when he told her about the Conservative offer.”
Garth, I agree. I was completely unhinged by Duffy’s insensitivity and obvious attempt to discredit Chuck.
By AM in BC on 02.29.08 10:48 pm
Mike Duff’s partisan ship was well known. What was not known was how low he could go. Well we know now.
He has descended right into the gutter with Harper.
If you don’t believe Garth about the Harper baboons – read this:
Then they all went to Hy’s and had a good laugh
Adam Radwanski, 29/02/08 at 12:26 PM EST
I take it back – I don’t regret leaving Ottawa yesterday after all. Because if I’d been around, I might have gone to Question Period. And if I’d gone to this particular Question Period, I would’ve been more convinced than ever that the inmates are running the asylum.
Okay, maybe inmates is harsh. Let’s go with schoolchildren running the, uh, school. A sample from Wherry’s account:
The Conservative caucus rose and applauded their leader. Stéphane Dion asked his question again.
“You’re gutless!” yelped a furious-looking John Baird. “You coward!”
“I can understand the leader of the Liberal Party is not going to accept my word for it,” the Prime Minister said when Dion was finished. “We have a deceased colleague here, who was highly respected. Why will the leader of the Liberal Party not accept his word?”
The government side stood once more and cheered. “Shame! Shame! Shame!” they chanted at the Liberals.
“Mr. Speaker, not only was trying to bribe Chuck Cadman an insult to his integrity and his honour, not only was it morally and ethically wrong, but it was against the law,” Dion shot back, nearly drowned in manic heckling.
Now it was the Liberals standing and clapping. “Shame! Shame! Shame!” they yelled at the government.
Jim Abbott, the veteran Conservative, struggled to keep himself seated, coming out of his chair and demanding the Liberal leader repeat himself outside the sanctuary of Parliament. Maxime Bernier put an arm around Baird’s shoulder, a futile attempt to calm the frothing Environment Minister.
In the middle of it all, Peter Van Loan sat grinning like a kid at Christmas.
Believe it or not, it actually gets worse from there. It’s a slightly depressing exercise to read it in full, but if you care about the calibre of people leading this country you probably should.
…says it all folks.
Did Harper ever give instruction to his people not to proceed with any discussions?
By Johnny on 02.29.08 9:52 pm
Yes, In fact he told them to forget it because he knew Cadman was going to vote with the Liberals and he (Harper) understood his reasons for doing so.
By Van on 02.29.08 10:25 pm
Weighing rather late aren’t you, Van.
It’s obvious from your earlier silence that you could not formulate your own comments. Instead, you had to see what the CPC spin would be.
As usual you are merely repeating the party line. Will you ever have anything profound to say?
Garth, ever think that Mike Duffy was trying to give the daughter a way out of their 15 minutes of fame?
By Catherine on 03.01.08 4:51 am
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Good grief – if this isn’t the most pathetic response I’ve ever heard.
And Leasa seems to think because there was the sponsorship scandal (now 15 years ago) that it’s okay for Harper to be a bad boy. What do you teach you kids – Johnnie next door is a bad boy so you can be too?
…sigh…..
Hi Garth, did one of your members in the House call for the hanging of Mr. Mulroney? (I believe he said “put a noose around his neck) Are we still to believe that the ethics committee liberals are non-partisan? Your party advocates hanging former Conservatives. Watch out if you pee them off Garth, they won’t just kick you out, they’ll form a lynch mob.
Next question: when the RCMP can find no evidence of wrong-doing will Mr. Dion give a public official apology?
Cheers! Leasa
By AM in BC on 02.29.08 10:48 pm
Mr. Duffy is just trying to understand what happened like the rest of us are. What Mr. Cadman said twice to the media and what the author and his wife is claiming are two different things. I hear the so called unedited (sure) tapes are now going for $1500. a copy. Jackpot!!!
Leasa
Notwithstanding his failed attempt with Chuck Cadman, Harper did succeed in corrupting Canada’s Parliament
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/03/notwithstanding-his-failed-attempt-with.html
Harper’s defenders want to focus on the improbability of a life insurance policy being issued by any insurance company to a man dying of cancer.
This defense totally overlooks the numerous ‘other meanings’ of the term insurance policy. The term is used by many people in many ways and quite often has nothing to do with a formal insurance policy. Hedging ones bets is often a form of insurance against ones losses. Buying 2 items in case one fails is often called an insurance policy. There are many other ways that the term insurance policy is used by the criminal element. Just watch the Sopranos.
In the case of the bribe, it could have implied any form of compensation that would provide a security blanket to the Cadman family …it did not have to be a formal policy. The defense the Cons are using is another smokescreen. They are searching for any form of plausible deniability, any chance to seed doubt and shift the topic away from Harper’s Lies and the tape.
It’s obvious that financial gains were offered, Harper admits this on tape. The rest is all smoke and mirrors.
Garth,
I saw your name in the Globe yesterday, with inferences from you that we may finally see an election soon. Momentum is building. Has the spark finally been laid to the fuse? While the Conservatives campaign on their oh-so-worn-and-tired “Not A Leader” theme, I suggest you wrap your campaign around something like this:
Subverting Democracy: This Government Is Not Clean
There is certainly a wealth of material that can be applied.
Aside from the 2 outstanding final Budget votes, it’s my understanding that there are 6 Opposition days available that could be put to use (and now I read here, possibly the Canadian Wheat Board will also serve as a trigger).
So Monday, or whenever your caucus next meets, would you please come prepared to dispense packages of Rollaids to those of your fellow Liberal MPs who still need it. Not only will it soothe the upset stomach associated with the thought of going to election, the calcium will also mitigate against what is increasingly looking like, to the oustside observer, a risk of being labelled an invertebrate through all this hand-wringing.
Bill…you are right, it is $500. I did hear though, one person say it was $1500. Of course though for the $500 it is only an edited ‘clip’ and not the whole conversation. Apparently, the entire Harper conversation is unavailable. I know you probably hate Ezra, but he makes some good points here:
http://ezralevant.com/2008/02/the-rest-of-the-audio-tape.html
Leasa
P.S. Calling our Prime Minister all those nasty names is really beneath you.
Do you really belief that Harper did not send these two coons, Finley and Flanagan, to talk to Cadman, of course he did know, he told them how much money as well. Harper was then and still is in control of everything. Can you think what this country will be like, if they ever get an majority, with these two sleasbacks as advisors to Harper, DICTATOR SHIP any one.????????????
By slg on 03.01.08 8:46 am
Hi SLG, adscam was not in 1993. It is recent and there is still $40 million missing. Will Mr. Dion tell us where it is and give it back? Until we have the stolen money back, it ain’t over. Why do you support going after Mr. Mulroney for what allegedly did happen 15 years ago and yet demand we not talk about adscam? That’s funny.
Have a good day. Leasa
Garth:
What is taking place now is some CPC MP’s are speaking out but will not allow their names to be mentioned, soon all the rats will be leaving the sinking ship. Bring on an election and let every riding member stand in front of the mics and say yea or nay to the validity of Cadman’s statements. And should it go to the RCMP, they can not shut up because then never did for Ralf Goodale and Gomery and some stuff in dumpster. And when there is a debate Steve Harper must answer yes or no to this question in French and English, and also face the camera’s with Cadman’s in attendance and speak the truth or walk off the stage…….Many of brave troops have died because of Harper’s move to send them to the front lines in name of Nation Building, now he and his accomplice’s must stand up and speak the truth. Canadians do not want it, they are demanding it now!
And you can purchase “The Chuck Cadman Story” at your local bookstore for only $29.99. Read all the authentic and official rumour and hearsay for yourself.
WOW what a scoop.
So what’s the big deal about selling a book or a video, last night on the National there was talk of scalping tickets to see Elton John for $1200 plus and Super Bowl tickets went of thousands…hello either you buy em or you don’t….Spin all you want, The question from the media,( Duffy included), who do you believe Harper or the Cadman’s? but as mentioned soon all candidates can answer the question or remove their name from the ballot list….”It’s just than simple” !
[...] March 1, 2008. added Garth Turner’s blog about CTV interview with Jodi] Just read Garth Turner blog: BTW, the lowest and sleaziest moment thus far in a sad tale: Mike Duffy asking Cadman’s [...]
Garth,
Did you ever stop your partisan spinning to consider the possibility that offering man the chance to vote his conscience and not having to worry about election financing was the right thing to do? None of us were there in the meeting, so anything said is a bunch of “he said, she said” baloney. This is a total non issue and effects the life of no one. Unlike the important issues which are now being put to the backburner, IE the budget and Afghanistan.
It is fairly telling when the Liberal Party is more concerned with some possible scandal, where there is absolutely zero proof other than 3rd and 4th hand account, than they are with issues of national importance to all citizens.
That being said, the Liberal Party seems fairly riled up about this case. Will they finally bring the government, that they find so obscene, down, or will they continue to “Sit Down for Canada”?
BTW, Chuck Cadman was not fired from the CPC, his nomnation meeting was held, and he lost it, due to his competitors bringing more people out. He then won the general election as an independant. No firing, just procedure.
Hi Garth, did one of your members in the House call for the hanging of Mr. Mulroney? (I believe he said “put a noose around his neck) Are we still to believe that the ethics committee liberals are non-partisan? Your party advocates hanging former Conservatives. Watch out if you pee them off Garth, they won’t just kick you out, they’ll form a lynch mob.
Next question: when the RCMP can find no evidence of wrong-doing will Mr. Dion give a public official apology?
Cheers! Leasa
By Leasa on 03.01.08 8:48 am
The hypocrisy of the Hyper Partisan Queen is getting almost comical.
You have the AUDACITY to complain that some one ELSE is partisan?
Speaking of apologies, we are still waiting for Harper to apologize to Paul Martin for accusing him of supporting child pornography.
AND we are still waiting for you, LEASA, to apologize to the Trudeau family for implying that Pierre Trudeau was a Nazi.
Or are you hoping that some of this will rub off on Justin Trudeau? This smells of the same type of gutter politics smear that Harper tried against Navdeep Bains.
We know now that you neocons will stoop to anything.
There is little chance now that rational people will really believe that you are a nice person.
Mike Duffy’s interview with the author and subsequent “I’ve never told anyone this but…”
He (Mr. Cadman) didn’t want to vote against the budget for fear he would lose his seat in an election and the insurance he had as an MP because of it. He didn’t want his wife to suffer. (summarized)
It just helps to connect the dots. Mr. Cadman clearly states to Mr. Duffy “I have had no other offers”, other being the operative word.
He said (s)he said…
So basically what (Senator in waiting) Mike Duffy is intimating is that Chuck Cadman voted for the budget in order to protect his family and keep his MP life insurance policy?
That means that Duffy is suggesting that one man refused to bring down the government because his family came first? That he put 30 million Canadians on the back burner?
I think Duffy needs to find another job. Either that or Mr. Cadman was one of the sleeziest MP’s we ever had and that is not the general consensus.
In other words the Conservatives offered him a 1 million policy to cover expenses in the next election (translation – bring down the government) knowing Mr. Cadman was in a no-win situation – he would probably lose his seat as an indie MP. They offered to let him join their camp even though they knew that he was dying because they were benevolent?
Malevolent is more like it.
So we are to believe it was to support him in the election and cover his expenses? Good Lord – how stupid does Harper et al think Canadians are?
This man’s legacy may well be tarnished because the money and power is with the Cons.
The conservative spin will make Mr. Cadman out to be the enemy one way or another. This government will stop at nothing to further their agenda.
Call me cynical but I don’t for a minute think the Ethic’s Committee will follow through. Nor do I think an RCMP inquiry will either.
Harper scores again. Canadians 0. When are we going to take down Harper and his team? They have done a lot of damage in two years.
Garth – You have done a great job (as have many other bloggers) staying on top of this issue. Thank you.
Leasa – adscam was in 1995 during the referendum – it’s now 2008 I realize but I was approximating here. Duh.
By the way Leasa – did Harper ever apologize to Goodale when he was cleared of any wrong doing? Uh, did he, did he?
Leasa – you are going to extremes here – sounds like the whisper of panic to me.
Garth: I have a question. In QP yesterday one of the BLOC members referred to something Michael Fortier had said about the new CPC Bribescam, but I missed – what were they referring to.
Mr. Duffy is just trying to understand what happened like the rest of us are. What Mr. Cadman said twice to the media and what the author and his wife is claiming are two different things. I hear the so called unedited (sure) tapes are now going for $1500. a copy. Jackpot!!!
By Leasa on 03.01.08 8:53 am
Why do you insist on lying with every word?
Fact: Mike Duffy had his mind made up long before he started asking questions.
Fact: Cadmans words were heavily taken out of context and in one TV interview, stated an offer was made by the Conservatives that included financial considerations for his vote on the 2005 budget. I’ll dig it up for your lying ass if you’d like, not to mention that Cadman told his wife, his daughter and his son in law he was offered a million dollar life insurance policy on three different occasions.
Fact: the tape is going for $500 a copy and is only privy to media and journalists.
Fact: Autobiography means the person’s life story gave permission and is normally chosen by the person in question, as is the case of Tom Zytaruk’s penmanship.
Fact: Every convicted crook behind bars says “I didn’t do it! I didn’t do it!”. Its the oldest trick in the book, Leasa. When caught, deny, deny, deny.
Fact: James Moore has repeatedly stated that no such meeting with Conservative officials and Cadman took place when clearly, there were offers that included financial considerations and Cadman and Harper are both on record saying an offer was made with financial considerations!
Fact: James Moore has suggested the tape is a fake when an MP (Gruwal) in his own party has done exactly that in an attempt to smear Liberals.
Fact: James Moore lies with every breath just as you are any other criminal does when they get caught.
Seriously, if you want to be looked upon as a joke on this site (if you aren’t already), just keep it up.
I know an old WWII vet… an old German soldier. Ed Deak once made a point about how brainwashed people can get by telling a story about Germany’s post years of picking up the pieces after the war. For 3 solid years after the war ended, a large minority of Austrians complained about the hard times that followed, lamenting… remarking often about how good they had it under Hitler.
Some people will never get it, Leasa. They’ll never be able to cope with the fact that their leader, or maybe their son or daughter or sibling, or best friend could be so dark and dangerous. You know… some. Call it a phisod, or they simply can’t take reality being something else other than what they’ve believed… And the rest of us are open minded, live in the real world in all of its beauty and uglyness, add 2 + 2 and come up with 4. I’m beginning to pity you.
AM in BC, you mentioned about CBC being the only one to point out the true context of Duffy’s interview with Cadman. I am getting really convinced that CTV is becoming a government propaganda news network. They were the one who made the interview and they remain quiet instead of coming out and clarifying what was really said.
As for the other corporation own ed news network. I find them too conservative (not the partisan party), i.e. too afraid to rock the boat. Whatever happen to investigative journalism and journalist risking their lives to reveal the truth? Thank God we still have public broadcaster.
Some are wondering why Harper agreed to speak to Zytaruk. The “off the record” remark suggests that Harper has had relationships with certain members of the media. One rule that politicians need to understand is that nothing you tell a journalist is really “off the record.”
Why did Harper think that the story would not be told since it was a potential bombshell? “Now” the newspaper that Zytaruk works for is associated with CanWest Media.
The CanWest Media contributed $20,000 to Stephen Harper’s campaign for the leadership of the Conservative Party. Since then corporate donations have been banned but the owners of the conglomerate have been contributors to the party. Mike Duffy has been a long time employee.
Harper probably felt comfortable talking to a reporter from that media conglomerate.
There is no doubt that a number of the CanWest journalists understand the political leanings of the owners and that influences their coverage of issues. CanWest has been quite ready to fire anyone whose views significantly conflict with those of the owners as columists such as Stephen Kimber and Silver Donald Cameron discovered.
P.S. Calling our Prime Minister all those nasty names is really beneath you.
By Leasa on 03.01.08 9:07 am
The ‘Scantily Clad Female Viewer’ suggested, in his irrelevance, the author was ”peddling” copies of his taped interview at $1500/pop. I saw Moore on a politics interview with Pat Martin, Dominic LeBlanc … He looked like a LIAR CAUGHT IN THE MIDST OF A LIE. AS FOR HARPER, FINLEY & FLANAGAN, they represent the ‘HOLLOW TRINITY’ OF LYING BASTARDS. MIKE DUFFY HAD BETTER SOON TAKE A WELL-DESERVED REST, from what he pretends is an unbiased presentation of the ”facts!”
By Leasa on 03.01.08 9:07 am
OMG, she reads and quotes Ezra Levant… poor brainwashed child.
Good link!
By Harper’s tape contradict his denial of bribe « Cyberwanderer’s Blog on 03.01.08 9:44 am
Most definitely a good link.
http://cyberwanderer.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/harper-tape-contradict-his-denial-of-bribe/
Cyberwanderer’s Blog on 03.01.08 9:44 am
Total Misrepresentation. The clear statement: Harper says to Zytaruk;
“Uh, this is not for publication?”
Listen to the CP tape, GOOFBALL!
Sorry, it was the Global who made the interview. I heard something about Mike Duffy Interview. Anyone know the whole context of that interview and what Cadman say?
When you put the CD in, does it sound like CRAP?
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/
Now we have another tape from a Vancouver radio station where Chuck confirms an offer was made to him by the Cons
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Dona Cadman, her daughter, and the daughter’s husband stories are just that – stories and hearsay. Hearsay is not admissable in any courts.
I can’t reconcile these two statements. Catharine if there is a tape in which Cadman confirms an offer was made, would you still consider this hearsay?
Sorry, that interview was done by Global / CanWest. I heard about a Duffy interview of Cadman also. Anyone know what was asked and what Cadman reply was?
you are right, it is $500. I did hear though, one person say it was $1500.
By Leasa on 03.01.08 9:07 am
Is that munching sound I hear you eating your words?
When you have to spin everything, and get caught to boot, how do you expect to have any credibility?
Reminds me of a guy I knew who worked in the Prison system. It was a boring environment so for entertainment he would start a rumor every monday morning, then wait for it to go around and get back to him. He said it was highly amusing as people couldn’t resist adding a bit here, taking away a bit there. Just to make the story sound better of course. He said sometimes it was hard to recognize his own rumors by the time they went through enough mouths.
If nothing else, the one thing you can count on is the consistency of the small mind.
Small minds talk about people.
Medium minds talk about events.
Large minds talk about ideas.
The Canadian Parliament is getting to be quite entertaining.. perhaps not as entertaining as this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-Eigd7RbU
And the award for “Spin of the Week” goes to Catherine “Garth, ever think that Mike Duffy was trying to give the daughter a way out of their 15 minutes of fame?”
Leasa was a close second (spin posts too numerous to mention).
I’m with Gord and several others on this blog, Leasa….a word of advice. Your critics have information that your friends are withholding.
Or how about the Russian Duma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-Eigd7RbU
How about the Czech Team!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExumJ0pXwHE&feature=related
Speaking of Dominic LeBlanc – my girlfriend dropped by when LeBlanc, Martin and Moore were on Duffy – she now has the biggest crush on LeBlanc – thinks he’s gorgeous.
Anyway – for what it’s worth Craig Oliver told Duffy he’s inclined to believe the Cadman family.
I don’t know what’s with Fife – he seems he doesn’t know which way to turn on this – protecting his job?
By Greg on 03.01.08 10:33 am
Quite right! Speaking of which, I’ve got something cookin’. Y’all have a great weekend! Thanks for being Honorable, Garth
http://www.thestar.com/fpLarge/video/308220
Down to earth column by Walkom in today’s Toronto Star
Just as all the other scandals fizzled out, this one most likely will reach the same conclusion. Extremely difficult to prove in a court of law that the Conservative party and specifically Stephen Harper deliberately acted in an illegal manner resulting in a criminal charge being laid reaching a verdict of guilty.
Oh what a tangled web they weave
Who throw their lot with Lying Steve.
Rest in peace Mr.Cadman.I just read Mrs.Cadman supports the Prime Minister 100% and the Prime Minister also supports Mrs.Cadman 100%.Mrs.Cadman will have something to say in a few days.
However, in other areas, a giant step toward justice for the public <a href=http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/308430
MD ’secrets’ will go public
Malpractice judgments will be posted on College’s website, thanks to Star probe
“I know you probably hate Ezra, but he makes some good points here:”
By Leasa on 03.01.08 9:07 am
Please…Ezra Levant…a Con Party hack.
You must be joking.
That’s like saying Lyin’ Brian makes some good points.
At least it provides a good belly-laugh.
No point in calling an election when there is no evidence. There were so many meetings between political party officials and Cadman than anyone could walk in, claim to be reps for a particular party and offer a bribe to make another party look bad. Look what the NDP did to the Liberals in BC in the last election.
There are lots of ’smoking guns’ on this one that all point to the Conservatives making Cadman an inducement for his vote, which is clearly an illegal activity.
We have a taped interview of Harper admitting that he knew that official representatives of the Conservative party were making offers of a financial nature to Cadman. Whether he thought the offers would be successful or not is a moot point. Offers were made, which is illegal. Harper had general knowledge that the offer was going to be made. (take the time to actually listen to what he says (I have)- there is no mistake that he knew that financial considerations were going to be offered, and those financial considerations were offered by officials of the Conservative party).
We have Cadman on tape confirming that he had a financial offer from the Conservatives (and no OTHER offers – meaning that the other parties did not offer him financial incentives).
And, we have family members confirming what Cadman told them on his death bed. If anything, Dona Cadman would have motive NOT to reveal this issue since she is the Conservative nominee in Chuck’s old riding. The fact that she is stepping forward and not backing down demonstrates that she is a lady of principle just like her husband.
I’ll take two recorded tapes and the word of two family members over anything that comes out of the Conservative lie department any day.
This is one of the most vile things that can be imagined. Trying to bribe a dying man. We now know the depths to which the Conservatives and Harper will sink.
BTW…Catherine, your post on this issue is a load of crap, just like everything you post on here.
Gott’a new AKA for one of our famous Canadaian MSM dissemblers.
“Newt Gingrich North” for Mike Duffy. Sounds reasonable to me.
Looking Ahead
Federal election before the by-elections ??
Just imagine ….. Dion Liberals wait for the 4 by-elections before precipitating another general election say one month later .. wouldn’t that be wasteful of the taxpayers money plus the $300 Million for a general election??
Dion Liberals will have to explain to angry Canadians why it was so urgent that they could not have waited a few months more until October 2009 and instead caused an election nobody wants. Dion will have to bring out his best English accent and personally face the electorate to justify a snap election. Layton and Duceppe will be ignored as usual.
But what if Dion pushes through an election before the 4 byelections on March 17th and doesn’t permit Bob Rae to establish himself as a bona fide replacement leader for the Liberal party??
Such a Dion strategy would screw Rae and give Dion the chance he always wanted .. a shot at an election as the Liberal leader. Also the hawkish righty Liberals like our MP Garth, an old ‘red tory’, could not survive in a Bob Rae led lefty Liberal party, so they are all calling for a snap election asap!!!
Oh the intrigue and scheming that must be going on within the Liberal party …. LOL
Johnnie Cochran, what do you have to say about this case?
“The tape’s legit, you cannot acquit.”
Excerpt from today’s Toronto Star..
….”Outside the Commons, Moore suggested the “bootlegged” tape of Zytaruk’s interview with Harper had been edited, and called on the author to release the “full version.”
“We’ve only, of course, seen a segment of the conversation and we want to see a full unedited version of this conversation,” Moore said.
But Zytaruk said the tape released by his publisher to media outlets, including the Star, is the “full and unedited” tape of his conversation.
“You’ve got it there from the beginning to the end, the entirety,” Zytaruk said in an interview. “If they’re making noises that this tape has been doctored … that’s preposterous.”
Conservative party spokesperson Ryan Sparrow said there was no meeting on May 17. On May 19, the Tories say, Finley and Flanagan met with Cadman and offered the independent MP the Conservative nomination for his riding, if he agreed to return to the party.
As well, they also offered him a loan to help offset the costs of running an election, Sparrow said.
” It was supposed to be repaid back to the party,” he said.”….
Tell ya what, when Mr. Dion tells us where the still missing $40 million is and gives it back: then they can talk ethics and morals. K?
By Leasa on 02.29.08 8:37 pm – end quote
Groan…. Don’t you CRAPPERS ever accept the facts?? That so called $40 million was accounted for by Gomery and various parties, many former Mulroney Tories, were sued or required to pay the money back to the government. Some did. Your PMO, of course, will not release any of the figures or list of those who did pay back.
This is all in the public record. ALL!!
So quit with the CRAPOLA that is spewed from the PMO and think for yourself, Leasa. I mean, you have me feeling sorry for you cause you just don’t have your own mind.
Accept the facts, miss. There are tapes with incriminating words from your Hapless leader’s own mouth. There are tapes with Chuck Cadman saying that he was bribed by the CONs.
Mo where to run, no where to hide, so slime everyone around to distract from the truth. Is that what your PMO is doing and using you to spread lies, Leasa?
Maybe we can find someone to give you a hug so that you won’t crave attention by spreading all the PMO lies.
Welcome to Generation X where X equals ME.
It appears most Cdns would prefer to believe Chuck was telling the truth when he appeared on national TV on several occasions and said there was no offer and only a discussion on a riding.
It appears that most would prefer to keep what little faith they have in political integrity.
It would certainly be a disturbing conclusion to come to. Chuck Cadman, with a much moral integrity of any federal politician outright lied to the Cdn public on several occasions. Besides the loss of what little trust Cdns have left it certainly won`t do our already tarnished international reputation any good.
I think the most astonishing are the political hacks either condemning the actions of one of the few that garnered respect or defending.
Not one post on how broken the system is. I suspect whatever opinion you hold on Cadman you have no alternatives to offer to the people. Please don`t give me anymore of the promise of an open and transparent government. Heard it too many times in too many elections, it has no credibility.
It obviously is of no concern to the hacks and politicians but if this isn`t the trigger to start a national discussion of what we as the people must do to correct all the problems of an elected federal government,,, then blame yourself for the future.
Who can provide moral leadership for this country?
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/03/who-can-provide-moral-leadership-for.html
Integrity needs to be applied to all sides here. Zytaruk said that the taped interview was only for the book, but it turns out that it was taped for the mass media, and is being bootlegged for a considerable price.
Nobody on this blog seems to mind at all that he lied, and that he is now profiting from that lie with impunity.
The now infamous book about Mr. Cadman sits, as 4:30 p.m. on February 29, at #6,284 on the Amazon.ca bestseller list. Despite some fine publicity this week, it remains well back of Valerie Bertinelli’s Losing It.
By Ike on 03.01.08 7:59 am
Ike, your accusation that Zytaruk lied proves to the posters on this forum that you are tactlessly embedded with the CPC’s. Spin all you want but accusing Cadmens family & the author of the book is about as disgusting as one can be. I think an apology to them & the people on this blog is warrented.
Cheers
did Harper ever apologize to Goodale when he was cleared of any wrong doing? Uh, did he, did he?
By slg on 03.01.08 9:58 am
The leak Goodale was never cleared of any wrong doing. The police didn`t proceed with charges because they didn`t feel leaking information to people that profited from information not available to the public was not insider trading.
Yep and child porn has artistic merit too.
This Harper regime has totally disgusted me for a long time. Now they just nauseate me. And the actions of Mike Duffy – as partisan as he is, has sunken to a low never before reached by a so-called correspondent.
Pull the plug on the Stevies’ CONs – they really have to go.
PS. I really am amused by all the CON trolls and partisans on this site trying to put their spin on this turn of events. Really stripes away any and every bit of credibility any of you ever had.
When you put the CD in, does it sound like CRAP?
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/
By Captain George on 03.01.08 10:19 am
One didn’t have to be a neurosurgeon to see what Stevie was all about.
I’m not sure if this is the time to bring down this guberment. The more time goes by, the more their sh@it is being played out in the MSM – even in the con biased MSM. And, I doubt the Ethics Cttee. will be able to reveal the truth about the Cadscam affair. Also leary about the RCMP getting to the bottom of this based on their past history and who Stevie has just appointed as its head honcho.
I find it quite homorous that right after attempting to link the neo-cons in with the old line Reform Party, that Garth would so abruptly be taking up the cause of a true, blue, dye-in-the-wool, old line Reformer who had no tolerance towards the Liberal policies in dealing with crime. This is what motivated him to run in 1993 under the old Reform banner–a staunch, true blue, old line Reformer.
Now that his legacy is in direct challenge to the present-day neo-cons, we might have a more difficult time trying to make a direct connection to the old line Reformers and the present government.
At least, the situation is a good deal more complex than the simplistic equations that have been used in the past. We can miss reality by a long shot by those unscholarly assertions that do not take into account the continually changing nature of Canadian politics.
What we now face is the reality that unless Garth or somebody is going to be able to bring Chuck Cadman back from the dead, the police are going to be able to go nowhere with this as far as charges that can stick in a court of law.
As it is, neither Dona Cadman nor her daughter Jody remembered to ask their former husband and father for the names of those “Conservative” MPs who allegedly met with Chuck on May 17, 2005.
So how are we going to prove anything? To complicate matters, and make them even more complex for these witnesses, we now have Jody Cadman questioning her own mother Dona’s wisdom, understanding and knowledge in running for the Cons.
What could she be thinking? is something that even Jody does not understand about her mother.
If that is not confusing enough, this same Dona Cadman also strongly supported the NDP candidate in Surrey North in the January, 2006, election, and now she is supposedly planning to run against the same person that she strongly supported two years ago.
Does this tell us something about the stability and steadfastness of this person, and about the danger of staking your own political career on her word?
I don’t think that her strong advocacy for the victims of crime with little regard for the equal rights of the accused will go over very well in some Liberal circles.
This strange political liason is not going to last, but then, politics certainly does make for some strange bedfellows.
It has nothing to do with consistency, faithfulness and dependability, but everything to do with partisan politics.
I’d say this is more about ethics than partisanship, wouldn’t you? — Garth
HELP !!!!
This is getting all too complicated for me and I don’t know who to believe!!
When politicians start arguing about politicians, I just turn off!!
Maybe all politicians are corrupt crooks starting with Chretien, Martin, Mulroney and now we can add Harper and Dion to the mix!!
All I know is if we have another election soon, I will be very very angry at all politicians for not being able to look after my concerns, and they are not the concerns politicians have for each other!!
Now get back to work looking after the government and stop squabbling over some ridiculous dirt that happened years ago!!
It is clear that the Conservatives are going a bit over the top in trying to use Cadman’s words which undermines their creditability.
By C. B. Innes on 03.01.08 7:11 am
Question, What credibility? I.T’s anyone?
This is what Canadians are sick of, and it will do Canada no good to go ever deeper into this morass of accusation and bitterness while our whole focus is being diverted from the real issues which get ignored and go unaddressed.
By Ike on 03.01.08 7:48 am
Ah yes Ike, Nice try to change the topic when you have no other comeback and you or yours (PMSH) are caught in an other lie.
Now Where did I put those Gravols. Spin, Spin, Spin. Makes one dizzy doesn’t it?
Duffy is really losing his credibility.
By slg on 03.01.08 7:58 am
As said before. What credibility? He’s a Neo-Con. mouth piece. (Spin Dr.)
The now infamous book about Mr. Cadman sits, as 4:30 p.m. on February 29, at #6,284 on the Amazon.ca bestseller list. Despite some fine publicity this week, it remains well back of Valerie Bertinelli’s Losing It.
By Ike on 03.01.08 7:59 am
Ah Ike, The book has not been released yet. Could this have any bearing on sales???????
Dunb And Dumber All in one person.
Yawn!!! Oh here’s another exclusive the Liberals think they have caught PMSH in. You think you would of learnt that he is actually smarter than you and certainly smart enough that he knows that this alleged affair would be illegal.
By Ian from Halton on 03.01.08 8:00 am
If your hero is so smart, Why is he getting caught in so MANY lies????
Garth, ever think that Mike Duffy was trying to give the daughter a way out of their 15 minutes of fame?
By Catherine on 03.01.08 4:51 am
How much lower can you sink?
By James- Chatham on 03.01.08 8:17 am
There is obviously NO BOTTOM!
Harper’s Chief of Staff issues blanket statement on latest scandal
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/03/harpers-chief-of-staff-issues-blanket.html
How much lower can you sink?
By James- Chatham on 03.01.08 8:17 am
And how much lower can you sink James. You are calling Chuck Cadman a liar!
If Dona Cadman and her daughter, while supporting the NDP were that concerned about their allegation in 2006, why did they wait for the book to be published in 2008?
And why didn’t Paul Martin, while writing his foreward, not come forth?
You should ask you Liberal idols, why now? You people are good at trash talking and hoping your pile of crap will stick. Wasn’t working before and won’t be working now.
One party makes off with brown bags of cash, that has never been accounted for; the other party claims the moral high ground and lies to gain power and attempts to bribe a sitting M.P. to bring down the government. These are the two main political parties in Canada. We should be real anxious to vote for one of these parties, right?
But Canadians will, no back bone at all, Canadians love unethical, unaccountable government. Gives us something to complain about. I wonder if we will ever elect anyone who is honest, ethical, and keeps their word?
Maybe the question is: Are there 308 people in Canada who would qualify?
ROFLMAO! Man oh man, am I enjoying watching this.
The CRAPpers are unravelling like a cheap sweater snagged on a hook.
The harder they tug to get free, the more unravelled they become.
Confuscius say” One who runs from truth when sweater is snagged will soon be naked!’
The evidence is OUT, next to go OUT is Harper and this entire gang of lieing POS posing as ‘Honourable’ Members of Parliment.
Now Catherine, Leasa, Van, Bob, etc., and the rest of you Trolls…Have at it.
Try as hard as you can to deny and convince we the people. Expend all your effort. I am greatly enjoying watching your death throes. You, and your disgusting leader have been caught
RedBlue Handed, and it is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE!You are beautiful to watch in action…like watching a Canadian Liar TV show, only better…because WE CAN’T HEAR YOU! HAHAHAHAHA!
You are all dishnourable liars and unworthy of any further response.
And you can purchase “The Chuck Cadman Story” at your local bookstore for only $29.99. Read all the authentic and official rumour and hearsay for yourself.
WOW what a scoop.
By Ian from Halton on 03.01.08 9:20 am
Ian, you can purchase the book at a much discounted rate of 17.78$ on Chapters.
http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/search?keywords=cadman&pageSize=10
I suspect that the wife and daughter are helping the author promote this book, among other things.
Hmmm….CTV and Conservative/Lobbyist connections:
Tim Powers
Summa Strategies Canada
Mr. Powers, a Conservative strategist, has a high profile around the capital and is very-well-connected. He also worked on the Conservatives’ 2005-06 national campaign and is a frequent Conservative media commentator, receiving talking points from the party. According to the registry, “”his clients”" include Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro, “CTVglobemedia”, Bell Aliant Inc. and the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants. Mr. Powers writes a monthly ‘Wiseguys’ column for The Hill Times.
….uh, huh, Mr. Duffy.
Garth, ever think that Mike Duffy was trying to give the daughter a way out of their 15 minutes of fame?
By Catherine on 03.01.08 4:51 am
Shit Catherine, you made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. Were you born this mean and disgusting or do you come here to practice?
Geo
By brain on 03.01.08 10:00 am
I was thinking about a lifetime of experiences this morning as I lay peacefully in bed enjoying the weekend.
It came to me that the primary difference I have noted with every hard core conservative is this. They NEVER can admit they are wrong. They ALWAYS see others as the cause of their conflicts, and stand ready, willing, and anxious to condemn others, but never themselves, or one of their own.
I think there is need for study to prove that their brains are simply wired in a dysfunctional manner.
Reality, change of viewpoint, adaptation to new evidence is an impossibility for them to conceive intellectually. The status quo must be maintained once they have exposed themselves regardles of what evidence comes to contraindicate their position.
The examples are so numerous as to warrant a volume unto the subject.
Likewise, those more liberal minded have a ready, willing, and able ability to accept new facts, filter those facts properly, and integrate the new information into their world view.
Perhaps that is why education is called ‘Liberal Arts’, whereas, the expression of reality requires synthesis of many aspects to develop new visions for the future. Knowledge is not a destination, but rather a progressive journey. Wisdom is the proper analysis of the meaning of knowledge and the ability to apply that knowledge in a proper manner.
Therefore, they are the truly progressive thinkers, whereas, the fear ridden conservative mind is horrified of change, or revelation of truth that disagrees with their concrete views.
I found the mental examination of the evidence to be most interesting. I almost feel sorry for these reality challenged folks. Almost!
By Harry S on 03.01.08 11:17 am
You are all dishnourable[sic] liars and unworthy of any further response.
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Seriously, Bill …. What do you think should be Dion’s next move against the government?? Also could you please comment on my posting at:
By Harry S on 03.01.08 11:17 am
I can tell you that these Cadman revelations has shaken me to the core, and I am wondering if a snap election is urgently needed to let the Canadian court of public opinion judge the government with an immediate election.
I can’ sift through all the postings here, so if you could update me and others on your thoughts about an immediate election.
Thanks in advance …
“Uh, this is not for publication?”
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 03.01.08 10:16 am
Which is an outright admittion that Harper knew, knew it was wrong, and illegal as well. He is a little slow on the uptake in impromptu situations, because he plans everything out to ease his paranoid mind.
He has been caught wanking in the restroom, and no matter how hard he tries, or lies, his pants are still around his ankles, and his wonk in his hand! In effect pleading ‘Don’t tell my mommy!’
It is, as every teacher warns their students, on his ‘PERMANENT RECORD!’
Dear Garth,
Maybe all these trolls have a good point.
Maybe the trolls are correct when they say that Harper is just a brain-dead prettyboy who is incapable of leading a group of kids to an all-you-can-eat free-for-all at a candy store.
Maybe the’re right when they say that the real BRAINS of the Conservative operation are Finley and Flannigan.
Be it Harper, Finley or Flannigan it’s waaaaaay past time to DITCH THESE BUMS!!!
And that means you, PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVES… if there are any of you left!?!!!
Sincerely,
MB
I wonder if we will ever elect anyone who is honest, ethical, and keeps their word?
By pjw on 03.01.08 12:55 pm
Wonder no more the answer is no. At least it`s gone too far to even hope we could.
Even an ethical government is no longer a plausible answer for the situation Canada is in nationally and international.
As drastic as a provincial nominated federal government might sound it will create an open and accountable form of federal governance. Hired or fired, not elected and unaccountable.
Take your time to think about it. Don`t worry about inflation or if commodities have peaked, we`ve got until the next shoe on US credit card debt defaults drops, which in itself is enough to take down Cdn housing.
I can’t believe people actually watch Mike Duffy, or CTV news? I guess every addict has their particular drug of choice and need a fix regularly?
That is like watching Rush Limburgher, or better yet dirty underwear tumbling round and round in a front loader dryer.
No matter how much they try to get the stains out, there go those BIG BROWN STREAKS flashing right on by for all the world to see! LOL
I suspect that the wife and daughter are helping the author promote this book, among other things.
By Catherine on 03.01.08 12:59 pm
You’re pathetic Catherine.
So the Cadman family are a pack of liars who are only trying to profit from the book sale, right?
So Catherine, why is Harper and the CPC allowing a person of such low moral quality (I can only assume you feel this way about liars who try to profit from lies) who is lying about CPC trying to bribe Chuck Cadman to RUN FOR A CPC SEAT IN BC?
Answer that one sweetie!
P.S. Calling our Prime Minister all those nasty names is really beneath you.
By Leasa on 03.01.08 9:07 am
Leasa, now please tell us that LIEING to the Canadian people, or on the offical record, and participating in criminal bribery is below a Prime Minister, or an MP, or a Party leader?
Come on, I know it makes you choke, perhaps even feel like puking, but you can do it! Show some courage girl!
Garth: I second that motion:
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/03/garth-i-second-that-motion.html
We need to keep it in perspective
Jason Cherniak – Saturday, March 01, 2008
I view the new election speculation with some amusement and some concern. That is because I’m not sure why a mere allegation of impropriety by the Prime Minister would affect the entire course of an election.
At this point, it is very easy for the Conservatives to obfuscate and deny the allegations to a sufficient extent that their supporters will not abandon them. I also fear that this could backfire very badly.
First, you have the allegations of tampering:
Outside the Commons, Moore suggested the “bootlegged” tape of Zytaruk’s interview with Harper had been edited, and called on the author to release the “full version.”
“We’ve only, of course, seen a segment of the conversation and we want to see a full unedited version of this conversation,” Moore said.
Then, you have the plausible, yet outrageous explanations that can neither be proved nor disproved:
Conservative party spokesperson Ryan Sparrow said there was no meeting on May 17. On May 19, the Tories say, Finley and Flanagan met with Cadman and offered the independent MP the Conservative nomination for his riding, if he agreed to return to the party.
As well, they also offered him a loan to help offset the costs of running an election, Sparrow said.
” It was supposed to be repaid back to the party,” he said.
I have no idea whether the tape was tampered with. I highly doubt the Conservatives expected a dying man to repay a $1 million loan, but how can we prove it?
What happens if we force an election and the RCMP announce in the middle that they have chosen to not investigate?
What happens if the Minister of Justice kills an investigation and we don’t find out until after the election?
What happens if it turns out that the tape was a fake and Harper is completely vindicated?
There are too many unknowns at this point.
I say that if an election was a bad idea four days ago, then it is still a bad idea today.
Let the police investigate and if they determine that a crime was committed, we will have all principled Canadians – including Conservatives – on our side when we go to the polls.
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Is this the Liberal voice of reason, because we know Cherniak is very close to Dion ..???!!!!
“I’d say this is more about ethics than partisanship, wouldn’t you?” — Garth
Garth, “ethics” here are determined by whose ox is being gored.
Oh Catherine – get real. Can you imagine the nerve of a journalist/writer expecting to make a living off his writing – imagine that. What’s he supposed to do, write for free, give away his writings for free and hope he doesn’t starve to death. Give me a break.
Now, Jack Layton is coming out with a book on the homeless – you CPC’s challenged Garth about writing a book while an MP – obviously it’s okay, because Layton has written on – which I think might be something he’s written about before. Oh, and everything that’s wrong with the world is the fault of the Liberals and Conservative according to Layton.
…the 100% support part of an article is cherry picking again…Cadman’s daughter is urging her mother to run as an independent….yadda, yadda.
Watching the CPC Harper Bot’s spin lies and try to justify the illegal action of CPC backrrom boyz Finley and Flanagan is just so funny.
Their next lines of defence will be,…
1) Well Harper didn’t know Finley and Flanagan were going to offer a bribe, so Harper is innocent.
2) There a mysterious drop in the audio signal on that tape, just ignore all things Harper said, it all about that 0.1 milisecond drop in signal.
3) Paul Martin had a copy of the book (not sure what this proves or how it clears the CPC, other than the defence of “HEY LOOK SOMETHING BRIGHT AND SHINE, LOOK, LOOK, LOOK!!!!!”
4) Dona and her whole family are a pack of liars. Remember to vote for them in the next election to help form a CPC majority,…. “HEY LOOK SOMETHING BRIGHT AND SHINE, LOOK, LOOK, LOOK!!!!!”
5) Chuck Cadman was clearly stoned on drugs and didn’t know what he saying,… so stop dragging his good name threw the mud,… he was clearly stoned out of mind,…. errr,… “HEY LOOK SOMETHING BRIGHT AND SHINE, LOOK, LOOK, LOOK!!!!!”
5) Belinda, Belinda, Grewal, Grewal,… “HEY LOOK SOMETHING BRIGHT AND SHINE, LOOK, LOOK, LOOK!!!!!”
“I suspect that the wife and daughter are helping the author promote this book, among other things.”
Bravo, Catherine, the neo-Republican spirit shining through with crystalline clarity.
ERASE THE DISGRACE – ÉCRASEZ L’INFÂMIE!
“Why is Harper and the CPC allowing a person of such low moral quality…to RUN FOR A CPC SEAT IN BC?
“Answer that one sweetie!”
Every movement has a “Judas” within their ranks somewhere. It sounds like even Jody Cadman does not trust her mother’s judgment in running for the CPC!
So who does trust her judgment and wisdom and consistency?
My “guess” would be that Dona Cadman is either schizophrenic, or that she never was CPC from the time that her husband lost the nomination two elections ago.
There are depths of the unknown and unpredictibility within the subconscious of every personality that cannot be explained by reason or rationality, but only by the irrational forces of the hidden motives of the subconscious mind!
Some people tend to integrate their true inner selves with the real external world better than others, but since “personality” includes both the subconsious mind and the conscious mind, there is an element of mystery associated with personhood.
That is what makes the study of human history so fascinating.
A good week-end to all!
“The tape’s legit, you cannot acquit.”
By Robert Gibbs on 03.01.08 11:25 am
LMAO! Beautiful analogy!
By not again on 03.01.08 1:24 pm
I would prefer an independent government voted in by the people but I will be willing to accept a provincially nominated coalition over what we have now…this is really sick! Listen to all the folks on here trying to justify their parties position, and trying to ignore their own culpability, this goes both supporters of both major parties. the party system is finished in Canada! I can’t figure out why people can’t see it!
I’d like to see Mr. Bill Casey get up and tell the house that he, like Garth, remembers such statements from PMSH about Mr. Cadman. That is of course if Mr. Casey was present at the time of the comments and can remember them. It would be interested to see the Conservatives fend off such comments from two MPs.
I’m sure there are a ton of stories that can be told of the way PMSH acts when he thinks he’s among friends (scratch that… minions) which the public would like to hear.
And that means you, PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVES… if there are any of you left!?!!!
By MB on 03.01.08 1:22 pm
MB, there are such people, and we will know them when they STANDUP FOR CANADA, and reveal what they know about Harper and his workings in Caucus, and behind closed doors elsewhere.
It will take more courage than they have ever had to find, but they can do it…if they truly love truth and democracy, and Canada.
“Ah Ike, The book has not been released yet. Could this have any bearing on sales???????
“Dumb And Dumber All in one person.”–By A.R.Wainwright on 03.01.08 12:28 pm
“And you can purchase ‘The Chuck Cadman Story’ at your local bookstore for only $29.99. Read all the authentic and official rumour and hearsay for yourself.
“WOW what a scoop.” –By Ian from Halton on 03.01.08 9:20 am
“Ian, you can purchase the book at a much discounted rate of 17.78$ on Chapters.” –By Catherine on 03.01.08 12:59 pm
A. R. Wainwright, just because the book has been released does not mean that it is not already on the market where it can be ordered.
So my original statement stands. The difference between you and me is that you name call others, even when they have their facts straight, and I do not name call others, even if they have their facts wrong.
It is amusing that we are all so concerned about “ethics” when we see so little of it in respect for other humans right here on this blog.
As to the RCMP investigation. Here is how such things really work in the real world of law enforcement. First, the RCMP Detachment Commander will call a Crown Prosecutor to determine if the Crown is ‘willing’ to prosecute such a case? He will also call the RCMP Commissioner because this involves a sitting Prime Minister.
If they cannot find a Crown Prosecutor who is ‘willing’, or the Commander is told to not pursue the matter by the Commissioner, then the matter will not go any further.
If they can find a Crown Prosecutor who IS willing to follow the law, then they will either prove to Canadians that they truly are The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, or deserve the less honourable title of Retarded Constables Mangling Prosecutions!
Those are their choice, and their consequences regarding action.
They can reclaim their status in the eyes and hearts of many Canadians by doing the harder thing, or join the ranks of the American F.B.I. (Federal Bungling Idiots) who first call the White House to see what politically is acceptable, rather than enforcing the LAW they swore to uphold!
Note that Canada’s RCMP now has a POLITICALLY APPOINTED Commissioner, put in place by the very same potential defendant, Stephen Harper, just like the U.S. Attorney General who Bush has changed repeatedly to suit his own agenda.
As Frank Zappa said so eloquently ‘America is a nation of laws…Randomly enforced!’
What shall be said of Canada in this day and age? ‘The True North , if your white and connected you’re free’?
This issue goes far deeper than merely Harper, politics, and bribery, it strikes at the very heart of what we have called Canadian. Are we a people of HONOUR and real values standing for TRUTH, Equal Justice, and enforcement of those values in our government, or just a bunch of wimpy, whiney, spineless, schmucks taking the easy path out of difficulties?
As to whether an election should immediately be called, I would say that should be determnined based on whether Harper has any escape clauses he can use depending on whether he is a stitting PM, or a former. No wiggle room should be allowed under any circumstance…absolutely NONE!
We either come out of this able to trust our government and law enforcement, or we head into the Dark Territory where communications are controlled, or absent, and raw corrupt power triumphs over our freedom and, democracy, and honour. This Canadian will not accept anything less than 100% compliance with the law, and a full investigation, and prosecution, with fines and imprisonment if those involved are found guilty.
The evidence to date leaves no doubt they ARE!
I will vote Liberal. I will take Liberal lawn sign and the only way they will be able to remove it is over my dead body and from my frozen snow covered lawn!
BTW, Chuck Cadman was not fired from the CPC, his nomnation meeting was held, and he lost it, due to his competitors bringing more people out. He then won the general election as an independant. No firing, just procedure.
By T. on 03.01.08 9:46 am
Yup! Just like the B.C. Provincial (disgraced) “Social Credit” party all joining the liberal party and taking it over so as to change their spots.
Bring in the new-bes at the last minute and overwhelm the opposition.
Still makes them same old, same old.
I was so pleased that he won over those odds. Truly shows that you can’t screw the people all of the time and get away with it.
Duffy’s interview with the daughter was awful. He was trying to get her to agree with his suppositions that were based on nothing but his own small thinking. In a courtroom this is called leading the witness. Are Con supporters so blinded by Herr Harper that they will believe anything he says without question. This reminds me of how the blind followed Hitler. Wake up and get rid of Herr Harper before it’s too late.
By brain on 03.01.08 1:24 am
The first two links don’t work… anymore. Strange.
I don’t suppose that you happened to grab a copy of the NCC text, did you?
By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 1:15 pm
As I was clearing my driveway and walkways my mind was on similar thoughts but lead in a different direction. I see the devoted supporters more like a cult religion. “For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.” The strident supporters of this government ‘believe’. They have made that leap of faith and are comfortable with it and are no more able to stand back and question the basis of that belief than a person, such as you if memory serves, who has decided to be faithful to a religion.
And don’t get me wrong. This same characteristic inflicts people from all social and political points of view and any person who strives to be an objective thinker must be constantly on guard, questioning themselves and their motives, to try to prevent speaking from the same trap.
Those of us who have not taken that leap, one way or the other, are still looking at the events with at least a degree of objectivity and there is a large degree of consensus amongst us even though we come from a wide range of backgrounds.
I would like to be able to say that I am a conservative. I have been previously. When I see Mike Harris denigrated in this BLOG I feel a strong temptation to explain my support of him. But that is another story for another time. Anyway it is said that a certain number of times you will have an immediate instinctive reaction to a person. The first feeling that developed in me about Harper was concern. As it matured, especially during the 2006 campaign and election I started to use the word “fascist”. Even reasonable people thought that was extreme. I have not been proven wrong.
There are times that I wish that I was a Liberal supporter. Every time I see that “Dion is not a leader.” Dogma I become progressively more angered by the Liberal’s inability or unwillingness to counter it. What I have wanted to say so many times is: “Dion is a leader, just not like Harper.” And then from there hopefully start to examine the leadership qualities of the two men and evaluate which is truly the more suitable leader for the Canadian political model.
So our challenge, in spite of a badly flawed alternative, is how do we sway those Canadians who are not among the ‘’faithful’ to the understanding that this incarnation of the Conservative party is very dangerous for those who are not in that cherished 10% (or less) of the population who are striving to take control for their own benefit. Has the significance of the fact that 1% of the world’s population owns 40% of the wealth missed them?
Man I wish I had some answers.
He is a little slow on the uptake in impromptu situations, because he plans everything out to ease his paranoid mind.
He has been caught wanking in the restroom, and no matter how hard he tries, or lies, his pants are still around his ankles, and his wonk in his hand! In effect pleading ‘Don’t tell my mommy!’
By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 1:20 pm
HE ADMITTED TO THE PLOT WITHOUT HESITATION … including the ‘economic considerations involved in a premature election. Now he’s trying, through his shoe-shine boys, to mislead everyone despite the PROOF ON THE TAPE.
Come on, I know it makes you choke, perhaps even feel like puking, but you can do it! Show some courage girl!
By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 1:32 pm
Hi Bill…oh I have lots of courage Bill, got a surplus in fact. Bill, you are stating something as ‘fact’ that has not been proven, and what is out there is shaky at best. I would in the interest of saving face later on, with hold the name calling for now if I were you. Just a wee bit of friendly advice. If this is PROVEN to be true, then go at it.
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Garth, it was reported on CTV that you and ’some of your colleagues’ are thinking of bringing this government down over this story. I gather since Dion is nowhere to be seen, he is not in on it. Will you be going against your party with some of your new found friends and voting the budget down, and site the Cadman story as a reason? Are you willing to do so and go against Mr. Dion’s will?
Garth, what are you going to do now, if the RCMP sees no wrong-doing?
What will you do if they do see a crime has taken place? Will you bail Mr. Martin out when he is arrested for with holding evidence of a crime? It is illegal to sit on evidence of a crime to be only used when it suits you. Gosh, that is unethical and immoral! The question will be: When did Mr. Dion know about this? Why did the LP withhold such important information? Oops!
The last question for you is, are you going to be willing to drag Chuck Cadman’s family through the muck with you on an election trail?
Oh, on another question I had: did you find an insurance company that will sell million dollar policies to dying people?
I don’t know Garth is this is a cliff you want to fall over.
Leasa
We sent Lyin Brian with his tail between his legs and we are still collecting info on his cash deals. Then Kim Campbell was given a clear message to f*ck off. Now it’s time to send Deceivin Stephen over to Stornaway (unless the RCMP want to arrest him)and let the Party find a new leader with morals and ethics fitting a Prime Minister. I notice that Peter McKay is distancing himself on this issue….Con leader in waiting or rats deserting the ship?
I can’t figure out why people can’t see it!
By pjw on 03.01.08 1:54 pm
It`s Cdn culture to prefer the good news lie over the bad news truth.
A lot of Cdns can see it as evidenced through the non-voter numbers while a lot more feel by not voting it`ll make things worse so they pick what they think is the best of the worst. To read this blog you`d think Cdns are outraged on both sides of the fence when in fact most Cdns just yawn and say `not again`.
The entertainment value.
To hide the fact our government has done only 1 months work in the last 24 it`s one media blitz after another on Mulroney, the all you can donate all you can eat Liberal function and now a scandal a year in the making. Good meaningless distractions that help cover the fact the government has failed for many years in it`s effort to move the Cdn economy forward with international investment.
Distract, deny and when it`s obvious you`re as useless and or corrupt as the last bunch then lose an election. It`s all a stage play written by the same script writers with a few changes in characters.
Perhaps `Nominated Federal Government` will open soon. I`ve read the script, it`s very good.
If they can find a Crown Prosecutor who IS willing to follow the law, then they will either prove to Canadians that they truly are The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, or deserve the less honourable title of Retarded Constables Mangling Prosecutions!
Oh Bill, so in other words if they don’t see it through your eyes, they are evil law breakers. Show me one crown prosecutor who does not follow the law! That is one heck of a statement to make Bill. Chill out before you pop a blood vessel. Leasa
Is this the Liberal voice of reason, because we know Cherniak is very close to Dion ..???!!!!
By Harry S on 03.01.08 1:38 pm
Err, Harry, I wouldn’t put too much into view points of Jason. I actually have met him several time and he is only a very minor force in the Liberal Party. He certainly isn’t close to Dion and he certainly doesn’t have Dion ear. Garth has 100,000 times more influence with Dion than Jason does.
Jason is nothing more than Liberal Kool-Aid drinker, and yes, I have actually said that to his face. Jason is completely blinded by party loyalty, and can’t see beyond it. He is the oppisate side of the coin of scream Harper Bots here.
Which brings me to an apology that I owe you. In the last few days you have made it clear that you will not tolerate corruption in Canada’s Government, and it took this Cadman affair for this to come clear. While you and I will never agree on many points, I am at least pleased to see we agree on this point. I have judge you wrong in the past because I thought you were nothing more than Harper Bot, and I can see this is not completely true. You had placed your hope and faith in Harper and CPC that they would actually clean up Government and that would not be involve in corruption, you dared to hope it was true, you want to believe it badly. Sadly we have clear proof that Harper and his backroom boyz will do anything it takes to grab and hold onto power.
I know your next question,… Do I think Dion and his new Liberal Party will be any different,… Well let’s just say I will be there to hold them accountable, as I am sure you will be to.
So Harry, I was wrong about you in some regards, and am pleased to admit, I am pleased to be able say that mis-judged you in this matter. I still think you’re a bit of an arsehole, but when it comes to speaking out about Government Corruption you are at least a constant arsehole
“Uh, this is not for publication?”
Mr. Harper would be a stupid man if he did not ask this question each and every time he is interviewed. Does anyone with an ounce of brain not ask when an interview is requested if it is for publication? I myself have asked that question many times, I have also trusted ‘off the record’ statements.
When Mr. Dion was in our area, the media were not allowed in the room with him when he met with industry people. If anyone reads this say to Mr. Dion’s handlers “Look sympathetic, but don’t promise anything.” They will know what I mean.
I wish the RCMP would hurry this. There will be a lot of Liberals wearing egg on their faces very soon.
Leasa
Oh, so should politicians say one thing if they are taped for publication, and another if they are taped simply for the record? Please clarify. And this is for publication. — Garth
CadScam continues,…
By Zorpheous on 02.29.08 10:41 pm
Is that what Liberals are calling this? Did they get permission from Mrs. Cadman to use her husband’s name in this degrading manner? Leasa
Oh, so should politicians say one thing if they are taped for publication, and another if they are taped simply for the record? Please clarify. And this is for publication. — Garth
Garth, would you want everything you think and feel to be ‘for publication’? I think Mr. Harper was just trying to clarify why this guy was asking him these questions. Was it for a newspaper article? A book? What? If you are interviewed I’m sure you ask. I do. When I am friendly with a reporter, some of the stuff we talk about is clearly off the record. There are things you speculate about, that you aren’t quite ready to ’share’.
Leasa
Oh yes. I meant to mention that I am looking forward to the next election. It may be the first time I feel strongly enough to plant a lawn sign. It will be a CP sign with a customized message. “Vote CP, vote for an NCC controlled fascist state!”Or something to that effect.
Maybe I should have a few backups, just in case they grow legs.
Another question is: Did Mr. Harper even know he was being taped? I agree, it sounds pretty choppy and grainy. Leasa
Show me one crown prosecutor who does not follow the law!
By Leasa on 03.01.08 2:56 pm
I know of one case where in which funds and assets where stolen from a limited company at a time when a full time member of the RCMP worked illegally for said company.
Crown said it was ok for one partner to steal from the other.
How about provincial courts?
Child porn has merit.
SCoC?
Fathers have no rights.
Now please tell me about the percentage of graft and corruption committed by politicians and others in authority that have even been prosecuted by your snow white Crowns.
no justice, no investment
By Zorpheous on 03.01.08 1:40 pm
A 0.1 second drop on the tape? Man, they need to study up what an edited tape is really about. I suggest they read ‘Trickey Dick: How I did it!’ by Richard Milhouse Nixon, former Rethuglican President of the United States!
Now, there was a Master at tape editing, and recording, and discarding, and obfuscation, and criminal acions while in office! His entire entourage was too.
Note to Harper and his bevy of parrots: If you are going to follow corrupt American political techniques, at least study before you try them…Amateurs!
THE SPLIT BEGINS> EVERYONE FOR THEMSELVES>MACKAY BAILS ON HARPER
MacKay distances himself from Cadman affair
Updated Sat. Mar. 1 2008 1:41 PM ET
The Canadian Press
ST. JOHN’S, N.L. —
One of Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s top cabinet ministers says he knows nothing regarding allegations the Conservatives offered a dying MP a lucrative insurance policy in exchange for his support in a confidence vote.
Defence Minister Peter MacKay, who was deputy Conservative leader at the time of the alleged offer to the late Chuck Cadman, said Saturday he has no knowledge of it.
“I don’t know anything about how this has come about. Certainly it was something that I was not involved with,” said MacKay, who was in St. John’s, N.L., to make a funding announcement.
“I think it’s sad, quite frankly, that this seems to have come up. It’s very unfortunate.”
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080301/cadman_mackay_080301/20080301?hub=QPeriod
Leasa,
I promote you from troll to scab.
By Brammer on 03.01.08 2:46 pm
Very well stated, except one point, if you speak of the present and immediate past, I am NOT a supporter or ‘believer’ of any organized religion, I have a spiritual based faith after decades of study and research. Just to set the record straight.
Garth, If Mr. Harper actually said about Mr. Cadman as you allude to, why did you not leave the party on your own? Why would you want to remain in a party and work from within if a leader is talking about a deceased man in that way? What was your motivation for staying in a party with a leader who makes such disgusting comments as you have alluded to?
Never having met Mr. Cadman, I simply noted this comment of Mr. Harper’s as a curious one. It did not strike me how inappropriate it was until I heard Mr. Harper three days ago talking of Mr. Cadman in saintly terms in the House of Commons. — Garth
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 03.01.08 2:50 pm
Which is why I said ‘He is a little slow on the uptake.’, as in, inserting his foot into his mouth, or perhaps his head up his arse!
Can anyone hear Leasa? I thought I heard some utterance, but realized it was merely a recording of the same old same old! Not a missing millisecond was detectable!
CadScam continues,…
By Zorpheous on 02.29.08 10:41 pm
Is that what Liberals are calling this? Did they get permission from Mrs. Cadman to use her husband’s name in this degrading manner? Leasa
By Leasa on 03.01.08 3:09 pm
How the hell would I know what the Liberals are calling, that is what I AM CALLING IT! See the difference?
Now why don’t you answer this question, and no spin dear.
So the Cadman family are a pack of liars who are only trying to profit from the book sale, right?
So Leasa, why is Harper and the CPC allowing a person of such low moral quality (I can only assume you feel this way about liars who try to profit from lies) who is lying about CPC trying to bribe Chuck Cadman to RUN FOR A CPC SEAT IN BC?
Answer that one sweetie! You can’t have it both ways Leasa, Either Harper, Flanagan and Finley are telling the truth, or the Cadman family is telling the truth. So which is it? Who do you believe it telling the truth?
“Uh, this is not for publication?”
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 03.01.08 10:16 am
Which is an outright admittion that Harper knew, knew it was wrong, and illegal as well. He is a little slow on the uptake in impromptu situations, because he plans everything out to ease his paranoid mind.
He has been caught wanking in the restroom, and no matter how hard he tries, or lies, his pants are still around his ankles, and his wonk in his hand! In effect pleading ‘Don’t tell my mommy!’
It is, as every teacher warns their students, on his ‘PERMANENT RECORD!’
By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 1:20 pm
I love it. I love it. So true.
Many thanks you two.
YOu said it better than I could do
Your perceptions are right on for the chief neocon blue.
The now infamous book about Mr. Cadman sits, as 4:30 p.m. on February 29, at #6,284 on the Amazon.ca bestseller list. Despite some fine publicity this week, it remains well back of Valerie Bertinelli’s Losing It.
By Ike on 03.01.08 7:59 am
Ah Ike, The book has not been released yet. Could this have any bearing on sales???????
Dunb And Dumber All in one person.
By A.R.Wainwright on 03.01.08 12:28 pm
Yep, Ike always likes to take the pretend to take high road, but if you read between the lines he’s a con. Ike, you’re not fooling me and others on this blog. I discerned what Stevie’s ulterior motives were before he ever gained a MINORITY guberment.
Thanks for the summary of the events Garth “Scumbag” Turner. I think you deserve a better nickname than the one suggested in the House.
By Saskboy on 03.01.08 3:16 am
And you Saskboy better start digging a hole for all that manure your idol Harps & trolls are quilty of spreading.
LMAO! Now all I hear is ‘choppy and grainy!’ Yep, definitely the terminology of an audio analyst.
Gotta go do something productive, like shopping. You all have fun listening to Leasa explain it all away for Harper direct from the Death Star. She’s the Duty Parrot today!
Oh, BTW, I heard they have this BIG sign there that reads ‘If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with Bull Shit…they are all just Mushrooms anyway!’
I wonder, do they have to pray five times a day to the pic of Steve?
By Bonnie L on 03.01.08 3:41 pm
If you PRAY at all … We NEED an election!
Now, there was a Master at tape editing, and recording, and discarding, and obfuscation, and criminal acions while in office! His entire entourage was too.
Note to Harper and his bevy of parrots: If you are going to follow corrupt American political techniques, at least study before you try them…Amateurs!
By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 3:25 pm
I’m just waiting for the fools to start bitching about the Grawel Affair again, I have a very complete and extensive analysis of that Harper BS scandal to beat them over the head with. It’s true the Libs under Martin acted shamelessly, but in that affair they didn’t make an out and out bribe, although Harper Bots will make that claim, they can never point to it.
Oh yes. I meant to mention that I am looking forward to the next election. It may be the first time I feel strongly enough to plant a lawn sign. It will be a CP sign with a customized message. “Vote CP, vote for an NCC controlled fascist state!”Or something to that effect.
Maybe I should have a few backups, just in case they grow legs.
By Brammer on 03.01.08 3:15 pm
Brammer, I’ve never before put a political sign in my front lawn before, but I shall this time – a big ‘Lib’ sign. And, if my health allows me, I shall do volunteer work, although it might be limited to sending out/puting flyers in my neighbourhood, along with an edited list of all the con lies that I’ve been saving in a Word doc. I know my energy may be somewhat futile as I doubt that many Nova Scotians will vote for the cons.
Years ago we had 8 tandem truck loads of rocks/ruble removed from our property because my reason for buying here was that I could have a large garden(s). My DH put out a sign on the front lawn – rocks for sale
He’s got a great sense of humour and I shall call upon him during the next election!!
By joe t on 03.01.08 1:56 pm
Here is what Bill Casey thinks about the allegations -
http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/9005757.html
CadScam continues,…
By Zorpheous on 02.29.08 10:41 pm
Is that what Liberals are calling this? Did they get permission from Mrs. Cadman to use her husband’s name in this degrading manner? Leasa
By Leasa on 03.01.08 3:09 pm
How Hyprocitical of you Leasa. In all your previous posts you were basically poo pooing what she, her daughter and son-in-law had to say and now you’re accusing non-cons of using using Chuck’s name in a degrading name. You can’t have it both ways silly Leasa. I know you’re trying to hang on to any threat of decency that your Saviour has, but with each post you make, you’re just showing how desperate you are. When one looses someone close to us, the first reaction is denial.
And how much lower can you sink James. You are calling Chuck Cadman a liar!
By Catherine on 03.01.08 12:54 pm
Bang! You just struck bottom. Hope you don’t spring a leak its a long way down.
Please look back and tell me where I have called Chuck Cadman a liar.
Chuck Cadman was a man of integrity who stuck to his morals and ethics. In his autobiograpy (official) he makes the claim that CPC officials tried to induce him to vote against Paul Martin’s government and force an election.
Mr. Harper has verified 80% of the events of the book. It is the details that need to be clarified.
To save you some work I’ll repeat my three questions:
1. Who where the party officials who visited Mr. Cadman?
2. What were the “Financial Considerations” Mr. Harper knew they were going to talk about?
3. And knowing that hell would freeze over before Mr. Cadman would change his vote, and that he “respected” Mr. Cadman’s decision, why did Mr. Harper allow these two officials to talk with Mr. Cadman? Telling them they were wasting their time is not the same as saying, “Thou shalt not…”
At this point, if you subscribe to lying by ommission, the term liar would have to be applied to Mr. Harper!
If not, then Mr. Harper is being sparse with the truth.
A few short months ago a 85 year old Newfoundlander wrote of his written letter he received from Stephen Harper wanting his vote and that he would not change the Atlantic Accord in any respect…sign and dated. When interviewed this fine gentlemen stated that Stephen Harper lied and broke his word… and in part stated when a man breaks his word he lost everything and he will never believe or respect this man again.
The tide of decent has flooded the CPC and the next election will be about “HONESTY” not leadership albeit good leadership must contain rigorous honesty. Stephane Dion has shown he listens and has also shown much restrength even during the constant frontal Republican Style attacks from a very dishonest man……..perhaps this new forward thinking leader awaits in the wings and will lead our children and grandchildren into a good future.
I find it amusing that so many people are smugly trusting in what they perceive to be an unedited transcript of a suspicious tape before it has even been tested for tampering.
I can discern that smugness immediately. I saw in in the MP Grewal when he smugly thought he had something on a Liberal Cabinet Minister by clandestinely taping an interview he had with him.
The whole ruse ended up hurting young Grewal more than it did the Liberal Cabinet Minister, and, at the end of the day, I have no doubt that the intent of bootlegging this tape on the public media will backfire.
I also find it interesting that Garth told us 15 days ago to get ready for something that was coming down the line, something that he was privy to, but could not divulge just yet.
This is strong evidence that the Libs must have known about this, and knew it was coming, and been in kahoots with the author of Chuck Cadman’s biography, and Dona Cadman, for some time, and that this was deliberately timed to trigger an election right around the time of the budget vote and the Afghanistan vote.
The strategy was to get the mind of the electorate off of the real issues that was the ploy, and on to the emotional, the personal vendettas, and petty party politics.
There are thousands and thousands of examples of where politicians of all parties are being tempted and enticed by partisan interest groups regularly. We don’t know but a small fraction of what goes on in private.
The tragedy will be if an election is fought on phony issues like this than on the real national issues such as the Afghanistan war, the budget and the environment.
This issue is a virtual tempest in a teacup, when, in fact, there is no tea in the cup.
Damn. You found us out. — Garth
BTW. Catherine, the answer to question one is those two partisans of the CPC, those shadows in the background, and maybe the guys pulling Harper’s strings, Finley and Flanagan!
One question answered, two more to go!
By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 1:15 pm
By Brammer on 03.01.08 2:46 pm
They nuked the link, Bill & Brammer. Whats that tell you, Heheh… but I found it here! This is the NCC’s agenda, folks, for however long it lasts!
http://nationalcitizens.ca/doc_bin/agenda_canada.pdf
And this is the insurance corporation suspect number one that would have offered a million dollar policy to Chuck Cadman.
http://www.thewealthadvisory.com/life_insurance_services.html
I would wager that the information provided will be nuked within days due to the simple fact that its getting exposure on this site. They’ve already nuked a couple links but haven’t gotten them all from their site.
Interstingly, their website has gone through changes over the last 2 decades. They aren’t as racist as they used to be. Gone is the racist Vietlamese boat people smear, but the lobbying for spending on Arts, Sciences, minorities… its still there. The NCC has learned to soft sell their union busting and anti union propaganda… and while they claim non-profit, clearly they spend money lobbying against government legislation in a wide range of area’s, mainly to create third party spending on elections through media campaigns which means the repeal of gag laws.
Property rights are solely for corporate rights of property. They have angst to every crown or board due to the reality that it stops U.S. corps from penetrating owership of Canadian market sectors. The NCC has bribed politicians outright but its next to impossible to prove since the organization is private and non profit so there is no opening of the books to the feds.
Keep in mind that Harper prez’d this organization for 5 years. It is widely rumored that the organization is a group of U.S. multinationals that want ownership or access to owning all of Canada’s economic sectors from resources to services be it insurance, HMO’s, police, penal systems, whatever isn’t privatized.
The NCC has lobbied hard since their conception and the list of U.S. multinationals that have joined them since Colin T Brown began the organization has grown substancially since the late 60’s.
The NCC is nothing more than a front for U.S. corp lobbyists. Their media campaigns in Alta fighting Trudeaus NEP were well known in some circles but not so well known since the 70’s. Their propaganda has worked well in Alta with the foreign investment that takes away tax revenues and potential Can corp profits that would have had Alta living like Saudi’s. Now… they just live like Albertans. Its sad, really, how comfortable people are in making a 2 hundred grand a year in the oil patch without realizing the big picture of what they missed out on in terms of real revenue had they owned their resources and developed them on their own.
The whole NCC campaign centered around development, impressing upon Canadians that we needed money to develop the asset, when we had the money. We just didn’t have the political will and the media was bought then just as it is now.
People who read this, we have been in a trade war since the beginning. The only times there has been peace is when Canadian governments and Can corps have sold out. Otherwise, its the same old same ol’ pinky and the brain. Americans want to own us, pure and simple.
Look at U.S. foriegn policy and tell me it isn’t so. If the U.S. can’t bribe governments to get their way for their corporations, they try a coup. If the coup doesn’t work, they take the nation in question to war, or count beans and wait to see which is the best way to go.
Their latest coup in this nation? Try Harper. Its different though, messing with a democracy since you have to control the media to do it. Hence, the endless gag law challenges in the courts that have cost Canadians hundreds of millions of dollars from NCC challenges in this one area alone.
Readers… voters… if you all haven’t caught on to it, Stephen Harper is no genius. He’s just a corporate lobbyist who is really good at his job and its time all Canadians caught onto it regardless of his lack of love or morality for this nation. Harper is a classic example of a person who serves himself over the interests of others. It’s offensive to see a man like this rise to power especially from where he has come with the NCC.
Just as the Republicans are corporate bought with lobbyists running the whitehouse (and some in the senate and congress), so too, is this Conservative government bought by U.S. corps. We just can’t see it through all the media propaganda until things like Cadscam make us think and question the individuals that are in government.
If you all thought Mulroney was crooked, just look at the massive foreign takeovers, many of them hostile in the last 3 years that have bled this economy dry. It began with David Emerson and accelerated with Harper in power.
The NCC is the most dangerous organization to the existence of this nation and their most dangerous representative is Stephen Harper. All that needs to be seen is the NCC website to see Harpers hidden agenda. The NCC agenda IS the New Con agenda, no question about it. See for yourselves.
http://nationalcitizens.ca/doc_bin/agenda_canada.pdf
Unless I miss my guess and Harper backs off his he-man act, which he can’t do without pissing of the crowd in his corner, the bill that brings it on hits the Commons floor on Monday.
Wheat Board. It’ll be the first real confidence vote we’ve seen. All the others came with a do-over clause.
I promote you from troll to scab.
By Herb on 03.01.08 3:29 pm
And I demote you to a turd.
Please, please bring on the election. Our politicians, especially the “Official Opposition” are not working and yet getting paid extra for this status.
The 1993 Mulroney affair and the 2005 Cadman affair have little meaning to the average Canadian, unless there are criminal prosecutions involved.
These affairs cannot be effectively explained to Canadians, and to precipitate an expensive election based on the accusations of a proven briber Schreiber and an uncorroborated book and the prattling of a couple of women is quite risky as stated by Liberal riding president Jason Cherniak.
I have asked the forum how Dion can use the Mulroney and Cadman affairs as legitimate election issues, and I have heard nothing substantive other than some comments by Zorpheous. Really when you think about it, Dion will not be able to escalate these meaningless affairs into election issues because they are too complex and remote from the concerns of Canadians.
Dion will have his chance to bring down the Harper government next week, and it will be interesting if the rest of the Liberal party will now fall behind his intentions to have an election asap.
Meanwhile all the arguing that is going on in this forum is quite amusing, but not relevant for the average Canadian.
Even if the Cons manage to spin the Cadman story like ‘whirling dervishes’ they will not be able to spirit away the most important fact in this case!
Their accuser is one of their own!
They can try but they will never succeed in scapegoating someone to take the blame, unless he/she too, is one of their own!
So why go after Garth & the Liberals?
The Con defence is so full of holes, it’s beginning to look & smell like rotten swiss cheese!
Even if they succeeded in a con on Dana, they’re still losers!
They have to face the facts! It’s mighty different when someone on the opposite side of the house accuses you!
They’re dead! From here on everything Steven Harper says will be coming from the mouth of a zombie! Who wants to vote for a dead leader?
Catherine, Ike and Leasa,
once more, with feeling:
Harper tells Zytaruk what he told his emissaries to Cadman to do: “… make that case but don’t press it.”
Duffy asks Cadman whether there had been an offer involving “unopposed nomination” and “help with campaign financing and so on.”
Cadman replies that “… there was some talk about that. … that was the only offer on anything I had from anybody …”
Harper admits that he authorized an offer including financial consideration. Cadman confirmed that there had been talk about that, amounting to the only offer made to him.
For good measure, you then can add the evidence of Cadman’s wife, daughter and son-in-law, which will amount to more than hearsay.
I know that the implications are durance vile for the CPC, but what is there that won’t stand up in court?
Arrest Martin for withholding evidence? Good grief – heard anything so stupid anyone? I mean, really. Hey, maybe Martin didn’t read the book. I have books here that I haven’t read – or, maybe he had to sign an agreement (confidentiality) that he wouldn’t reveal the contents of the book before it goes to market.
Leasa – you are trying so hard – it isn’t working sweetie. Your out of control with your fear that perhaps your Big Kahuna isn’t perfect. Get a grip girl – life is too short.
Ta ta for now.
“Damn. You found us out.” — Garth
Tell us more about the backroom dealings that have been going on behind closed doors.
There are going to be several wonderful opportunities in the coming week for the Liberals to make good, and to bring down the government.
Three days ago, we were told that “Canadians do not want an election.”
Have Canadians been polled to see if their desire not to have an election three days ago has suddenly changed?
Who has the stats on that?
If you think McVety wasn’t behind Bill C-484, think again. It’s right on the front page of McVety’s Family Action Coalition website
Good Afternoon Garth. Sorry if I’m off topic but I came across this & wondered exactly what C-484 bill is all about. I think it deserve more explainations before it is passed. Has it anything to do with womens right pertaining to areas such as abortions?
Cheers – Irene
“I think it’s sad, quite frankly, that this seems to have come up. It’s very unfortunate.”
PETER MACKAY
Good job distancing yourself from a criminal Peter. Looks like you will be the next leader of the conservative party.
I wonder who is next? Prentice I bet.
Any thoughts cons?
MORE CONSERVATIVE LIES
Tories Helping out their buddies the republican party.
Tories tangled up in NAFTA turmoil
March 01, 2008
The Canadian Press
WASHINGTON
A fracas over reports that Barack Obama isn’t serious about reopening NAFTA has ensnared Canada’s Conservative government, which faced accusations yesterday of trying to sink the Democrat’s chances in the U.S. presidential race.
Both Obama and rival Hillary Clinton promised this week to reopen the trade deal in a bid to curry favour with voters before the critical nomination contest in Ohio on Tuesday.
But ABC News quoted an unnamed source as saying Ian Brodie, Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s chief of staff, leaked word that a top Obama adviser told a Canadian official that it was all for show and not to take the anti-NAFTA rhetoric to heart.
That followed a report from CTV News, also quoting anonymous sources. It said Obama’s senior economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, spoke with Georges Rioux, Canada’s consul general in Chicago, in a bid to placate officials north of the border about the trade pact.
The ABC source said Brodie told CTV News about the conversation after learning about it from Ambassador Michael Wilson.
“Ian Brodie does not recall discussing this matter,” said Harper spokesperson Sandra Buckler, who noted that the embassy has already flatly denied an Obama official ever backtracked on reopening NAFTA.
“We stand by that statement,” Buckler said.
In Ottawa, the Liberals pounced on the ABC report as evidence of a “shocking” interference in the U.S. presidential campaign.
“I’m stunned that the Harper government would insert itself into the U.S. election,” said Leslie Swartman, director of communications for Liberal Leader Stephane Dion.
The Liberals are suggesting the Conservatives are trying to pin the blame on Wilson to avoid criticism of interfering in U.S. politics.
http://news.therecord.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/316778
The National Post’s Jonathan Kay thinks a good resume is synonymous with goodness itself.He is speaking of course of Tom Flanagan.But there’s more and it,s right here.
Rats with resumes
and their lame apologists.
http://www.yayacanada.com/038-01.html
By Brian Dondo on 03.01.08 4:38 pm
I fully concur, Brian. The wheat board legislation will be bringing this government down. I can’t see any opposition party supporting Con legislation after Cadscam and I most certainly can’t see any opposition party supporting the destruction of the wheat board. I can’t see how any opposition party can prop these “shiny” New Cons any further without losing a large proportionate number of seats. We’ll be at the polls within 2 to 3 months.
By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 1:15 pm
By the way, Bill, I like the cut of your jib!
“Stephane Dion is not a Briber”
You forgot Option Three. — Garth
By Ian from Halton on 03.01.08 8:00 am
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Don’t just pull the plug, flush the system!
By Herb on 03.01.08 8:24 am
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Large minds talk about ideas.
By Greg on 03.01.08 10:33 am
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Option 3 — when the various CRAP scandals are almost at a crescendo (not quite yet), THEN pull the plug, have an election and one way or the other, let’s get it over and done with. Pretty much anything is better than this bunch of miserable yahoos.
Gotta make damn sure the CRAP sewer system is large enough to handle all CRAP (and trolls) that will be flowing through them shortly.
There will be plenty of volunteers to co-ordinate the CRAP sewer system, so that it continually empties!
It will take a large number of top-notch, solid ideas that will put this country back on its’ feet again.
One of the first things will be to negotiate trade agreements with numerous other countries throughout the world (reduce dependence and reliance on the US), build up infrastructure and learn to take care of ourselves.
Following that, give the US and Mexico six months’ written notice that Canada is out of NAFTA, along with the NAU, SPP and Amero. Canada — with help from other countries — is able to chart, and navigate its’ own course.
Via their complete and utter shambolic mis-management of this country, harpo and bimbo jimbo have done in roughly the same time what Tricky Dicky did in the early ’70s. Adjust his words slightly:
“We are not crooks, but we’re resigning anyway!”
No doubt that Chuck Cadman would be rolling around, laughing so hard at the mess that CRAP now finds themselves in, and they bloody well deserve it. Arrogant bastards, the lot of ‘em.
Don’t you CRAPPERS ever accept the facts?? That so called $40 million was accounted for by Gomery and various parties, many former Mulroney Tories, were sued or required to pay the money back to the government. Some did. Your PMO, of course, will not release any of the figures or list of those who did pay back.
This is all in the public record. ALL!!
By Emilie on 03.01.08 11:33 am
Emilie, provide your references for: “many former Mulroney Tories, were sued or required to pay the money back to the government.” Since you indicate that “his is all in the public record. ALL!!” you should have no problem coming up with all the data.
It seems to me that some of you Liberals are just as out-to-lunch as the Conservatives that post here.
By Irene on 03.01.08 3:44 pm
I believe you misinterpreted Saskboy’s comment. Although I have had differences with him elsewhere at other times, he is the furthest thing from a Con or Harper supporter that you could imagine.
“Uh, this is not for publication?”
Mr. Harper would be a stupid man if he did not ask this question each and every time he is interviewed. Does anyone with an ounce of brain not ask when an interview is requested if it is for publication? I myself have asked that question many times, I have also trusted ‘off the record’ statements.
When Mr. Dion was in our area, the media were not allowed in the room with him when he met with industry people. If anyone reads this say to Mr. Dion’s handlers “Look sympathetic, but don’t promise anything.” They will know what I mean.
I wish the RCMP would hurry this. There will be a lot of Liberals wearing egg on their faces very soon.
Leasa – You think far too highly of yourself. Perhaps, as others have questioned, you’re a paid con troll. Your denial that your Saviour could do any wrong is only demeaning yourself. Suggest you visit the Death Star where you’ll be welcomed with open arms. You’ve becoming a laughing stock on Garth’s site with you’re pathetic attempts at justifying Stevie’s lies.
When I am friendly with a reporter, some of the stuff we talk about is clearly off the record. There are things you speculate about, that you aren’t quite ready to ’share’.
Leasa
By Leasa on 03.01.08 3:13 pm
Certainly, Leasa. And when you do wish something to be ‘off the record’ are you not quite clear with the interviewer by stating that it is indeed to be ‘off the record’?
Please point out where Mr. Harper stated this was ‘off the record’?
Your strawman has blown apart completely and yet you keep clutching at every little straw that goes blowing past. The only people who would still lend you any creedence are thos who are blindly ideological.
In television parlance, Leasa, you have ‘jumped the shark’.
I think there is need for study to prove that their brains are simply wired in a dysfunctional manner.
Reality, change of viewpoint, adaptation to new evidence is an impossibility for them to conceive intellectually. The status quo must be maintained once they have exposed themselves regardles of what evidence comes to contraindicate their position.
By Bill-Muskoka on 03.01.08 1:15 pm
Bill you silly boy.
Didn’t you realize that that is why they dropped the “Progressive” from their name.
Where do we go to actually hear SH call Cadman a “poor M.P.” and say he was “more concerned about ethics…”?
Given your ongoing hate for all things Tory you may not be entirely the best source for what was or wasn’t said.
CadScam = ‘CONswervative Aggressive Corruption’
That FITS perfectly.
Hmmm…
Was he calling you a “scumbag” for using Chuck Cadman, a man of strong ethics, as yet another reason to do the
play the “hawkish guy itching for an election” routine? If so I’m inclined to agree. Bouncing of the walls with your canned outrage on this issue, while Dion, Rae, Ignatieff and the other A-list Liberals, are waiting for the issue to play out is pretty embarrassing. Truth is there are all sorts of issues on this matter that haven’t been resolved yet and for you to exploit it for your own partisan reasons is sad.
“Damn. You found us out.” — Garth
Tell us more about the backroom dealings that have been going on behind closed doors.
By Ike on 03.01.08 5:01 pm
Well Garth we bung caught agin’
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
When I read your tounge-in-cheek-comment I right away knew that ONE of the trolls would bite. And he did.
Like I said way back, Dumb n’ Dumber, In one “head?”
Bill, I think we can stop making fun of these dolts. They do such a good job them selves.
“It seems to me that some of you Liberals are just as out-to-lunch as the Conservatives that post here.”
–By C. B. Innes on 03.01.08 5:47 pm
Yes, some of the outlandish claims made around here without a sliver of evidence are just a tad over the top!
It does make serious discussion almost impossible.
Every movement has a “Judas” within their ranks somewhere. It sounds like even Jody Cadman does not trust her mother’s judgment in running for the CPC!
So who does trust her judgment and wisdom and consistency?
My “guess” would be that Dona Cadman is either schizophrenic, or that she never was CPC from the time that her husband lost the nomination two elections ago.
By Ike on 03.01.08 1:52 pm
Ike, have you been smoking the Wacky Weed today? That was a great attempt, I tip my hat to you for the creative effort, but sorry No CIGAR! Excuse me (ROFLAMO), there had to get that out right away!
Pssst: Is that what your Mind Meld Session came up with this afternoon at the Death Star? Sheesh! You have got to get off the Blue Kool-Aide.
I notice that Peter McKay is distancing himself on this issue….Con leader in waiting or rats deserting the ship?
By Closely Watching on 03.01.08 2:53 pm
Yes, I notice he is doing the Moon Walk BACKWARDS. ‘Slip sliding away!
Hey? Is that the collision Klaxon blaring? ‘Abandon SHIP! Abandon SHIP! All is LOST! All is LOST!
In television parlance, Leasa, you have ‘jumped the shark’.
By Frank Frink on 03.01.08 6:01 pm
True! But in Landromat parlance she is watching the Streaks Flying By!
Irene, thanks for bringing this to the attention of posters on this site. It’s the first I’ve heard of it so had to look it up. Found this link:
http://www.acreativerevolution.ca/node/769
and from what I read there, it sounds to me like a back-door attempt to re-criminalize abortion, or at least lay the ground work to eventually do so by way of the definitions included within the Bill. I intend on bringing this to the attention to women in my life, but not without first donning a flak jacket; I’m sure it will be followed by fire and I don’t want to be the ill-fated target of that “messenger” cliché.
Good job distancing yourself from a criminal Peter. Looks like you will be the next leader of the conservative party.
I wonder who is next? Prentice I bet.
Any thoughts cons?
By keith phibbs on 03.01.08 5:13 pm
Keith, not to worry. After the next election Ms. May will be the representative for Mr. McKay’s ridding so instead of “New Con” leader, It will be Peter in the UIC line up. Waiting for his cheque.
BTW, Global National fired the next round aimed at Harper and his beloved elfin FM, Flatulance. Seems there are numerous ‘Up YOURS!’ in the tabled budget, and people are TALKING about it!
Steve’s in for a bad week…Well earned for being so ‘open and accountable!’
“We are not crooks, but we’re resigning anyway!”
By Charles Oxley on 03.01.08 5:41 pm
EGADS! FLASHBACK to Tricky Dick ‘I am not a crook!’ Like, where is my Creedance Clearwater CD? ‘Yes there’s a Bad Moon arising!’
It does make serious discussion almost impossible.
By Ike on 03.01.08 7:34 pm,
I disagree on that point. There are often good discussions.
It does not take very long to figure out which comments can be skipped. There are several who post here that I rarely, if ever, bother reading. The only problem is some of them keep changing their handle but all you have to do is read a couple of sentences to figure out who they were in their other incarnation(s).
Don’t just pull the plug, flush the system!
By Herb on 03.01.08 8:24 am
‘Hello?’ Roto-Rooter? Have we got a job for you!’
‘What is the job?’
‘You remember Mr. Clean?’
‘Yes.’
‘Well, he is experiencing a ‘coming out! You need to bring your BIGGEST ROOTER!’
‘Be right there asap!’
Can you answer this for me: If it was illegal to offer something to Mr. Cadman to vote with the Conservatives, why was it not illegal for the Liberals to offer a Cabinet post to Ms. Stronach, with all of it’s additional salary and perks, for crossing the floor and voting with the Liberals?
“Stephane Dion is not a Briber”
By Duane on 03.01.08 5:37 pm
And the WINNER IS! You. What a great campaign slogan!
Ike on 03.01.08 5:06 pm,
The majority of Canadians rarely tell pollsters they want an election. If they do say they want an election the governing party is probably in real trouble with the electorate.
If you want the Conservative government to survive you better hope that the majority continue not to want an election.
By the way, Bill, I like the cut of your jib!
By brain on 03.01.08 5:28 pm
Why thank you. I was the First Mate and Foredeck Boss on a championship sailboat on Lake Michigan, the name was ‘Agitator’, and we lived up to the name!
We held victory by following the RULES to the letter.
Now, shall we hoist the #1 Genoa, and whip these landlubber pissants into the cold waters of defeat?
As our Captain said ‘Gentlemen, we shall not meet with defeat, but rather victory in honour! Hard to the MARK!’
He was British, wouldn’t you know?
Every movement has a “Judas” within their ranks somewhere. It sounds like even Jody Cadman does not trust her mother’s judgment in running for the CPC!
So who does trust her judgment and wisdom and consistency?
My “guess” would be that Dona Cadman is either schizophrenic, or that she never was CPC from the time that her husband lost the nomination two elections ago.
By Ike on 03.01.08 1:52 pm
These statements are worse than Duffy’s intimation re: effect of drugs on Cadman.
Your statements set a new all time low in this back and forth squabble.
I’m astounded.
Do you think you should withdraw them and apologize?
Breaking!!
Liberal sources are disclosing that there were additional elements to the Cadman bribe!
In addition to offering a patient in the final stages of terminal cancer a one million dollar insurance policy, Harper is reported to have offered Cadman a unicorn, and a magical forest in which to ride his new beast.
Although experts unanimously agree that unicorns, magical forests, and million dollar insurance policies for terminal cancer patients, don’t actually exist, Liberal insiders are firm with their allegations.
Said one source close to Dion:
“Look, if Harper can manage to hold onto power for over two years, pass three budgets, a crime bill and maintain his Afghan position, with three left leaning parties holding more seats than the CPC, he can certainly produce unicorns, and insurance policies for dying patients.”
Meanwhile, the Globe and Mail is sending its crack team to investigate the obviously legitimate concerns of Conservative unicorn production. Stay tuned.
And now, tribute to William FD. Buckley, that most eleusive and rheotrical Master of the English language, who wielded words like a surgeon wields a scalpel.
The aghast rhetoric of the Prime Minister, firmly grounded in ago, hast brought forth his agony, perpetuated by the agog impetuious agility of his own hand, implicating his own acts the incontrovertible nature of his own incorribible incogruity to his pervious personality defetcs!
Bill, I think we can stop making fun of these dolts. They do such a good job them selves.
By A.R.Wainwright on 03.01.08 7:34 pm
I concur mon ami! We should hold a moment of prayer for their affliction.
Let us Pray! ‘Oh God, please cast thy Spirit upon these who You know are in need of deliverance…’
Short version ‘God, CUT OFF their Blue Kool-Aide, and instill in them to GET A LIFE! Thank you Lord!’
Is this the Liberal voice of reason, because we know Cherniak is very close to Dion ..???!!!!
By Harry S on 03.01.08 1:38 pm
I have no idea how close Mr. Cherniak may be to Mr. Dion, nor does it matter a great deal, as speculation is worth what it is worth.
What does have some value, are the words attributed to him. If in fact these are his words. He is right, in my humble opinion.
An issue of conscience and verifiable fact is the Afghanistan Military involvement issue.
If and I repeat, IF, there were any Honor, it would bring itself forward, akin to a slowly moving river, offering it’s wealth to those who depend on it.
I’m so sorry that I can’t share your fervor over this issue. I know Government cheats. I know their representatives, represent. I know that patronage runs so deep, and corruption is so rampant. Yet, I cannot feel it anymore.
It’s like gorging on death. A front line Soldier knows what I mean. You come to a point where you just can’t feel anymore.
Bill you silly boy.
Didn’t you realize that that is why they dropped the “Progressive” from their name.
By A.R.Wainwright on 03.01.08 6:35 pm
Oh my, yes! Thank you for illuminating that fine point of reality!
Can you answer this for me: If it was illegal to offer something to Mr. Cadman to vote with the Conservatives, why was it not illegal for the Liberals to offer a Cabinet post to Ms. Stronach, with all of it’s additional salary and perks, for crossing the floor and voting with the Liberals?
By Paully on 03.01.08 7:56 pm
The same can be said for Mr. Emerson as well.
The major problem with out system is that the police and courts are unwilling to prosecute or convince politicians for fear they will be accused of interfering with the democratic system. The result has been that corruption has been allowed to take hold and the line between what is unethical and illegal has been blurred to the extent that no one seems to know when that line is crossed.
Our system is broken and needs to be fixed but every time that reforms are introduced they only seem to make the situation worse.
P.S. Calling our Prime Minister all those nasty names is really beneath you.
By Leasa on 03.01.08 9:07 am
But nothing is beneath you, is it, Leasa?
Most definitely a good link.
http://cyberwanderer.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/harper-tape-contradict-his-denial-of-bribe/
By brain on 03.01.08 10:14 am
Brain,
Excellent! You never cease to impress.
This reminds me of “Buckets of Grewal”. Is there any connection?
Keep up the good work!
Best Regards,
Gord
Although experts unanimously agree that unicorns, magical forests, and million dollar insurance policies for terminal cancer patients, don’t actually exist, Liberal insiders are firm with their allegations.
Look Frank, try to get this through your thick skull, it isn’t the Liberal that are making these accusations, it is the Cadman family. They are extremely clear on this matter, they have said that Chuck told them about the offer after it happened.
So unless you are willing to the entire Cadman family liars, maybe you should asking the CPC backroom boys how they planned to make good on this promise, because they are the ones that made it.
Who has the stats on that?
By Ike on 03.01.08 5:06 pm
Ike,
Where have you been? Canadians never want an election.
The daughter on Duffy said “she never planned on saying anything about the insurance policy offer and that up until two days ago she didn’t know that it was in the book.” Di she have nothing to do with her Dad’s book at all?
By Herb on 03.01.08 4:49 pm
Herb…of course there was financial consideration. As an independent, he gets no funding. If he runs for a party, he does. They wanted him to rejoin and run for the CPC. Case closed.
By Paully on 03.01.08 7:56 pm
Paully the answer is: when Liberals steal, bribe and break the rules, it’s not against the law and should be over looked at all costs. Where is the missing $40 million?? Oh, yeah, we are not supposed to talk about that…
By Frank Frink on 03.01.08 6:01 pm
Sorry, I didn’t say Mr. Harper said anything. Read it again. Geesh!
By brain on 03.01.08 10:00 am
Here’s one FACT (since you are so fond of ‘facts’: YOU CANNOT BUY A MILLION DOLLAR LIFE INSURANCE POLICY FOR A DYING PERSON.
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2008/03/01/4885889-sun.html
For now, I’ll let you Lib. supporters huff and puff and twist yourselves all up in knots. I’ll return to gloat later I’m sure.
Night all. Leasa
By Frank on 03.01.08 8:29 pm
Hey Frank, don’t forget the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!
To paraphrase Blatchford in the G and M
If only these clowns (of various party affiliations) would sit in their own waste for awhile, instead of making the rest of us wade through it.
She has it exactly right! Personally I find a nation of 33 million people being put on hold while our so-called “leaders” engage in stupid games of gotcha! politics disgusting. I wonder if it is simply an admission that there’s no ability anymore to have anything in the way of a grand vision for our nation and so they spend their time bickering. Where have all the real leaders gone?
Emilie, provide your references for: “many former Mulroney Tories, were sued or required to pay the money back to the government.” Since you indicate that “his is all in the public record. ALL!!” you should have no problem coming up with all the data.
It seems to me that some of you Liberals are just as out-to-lunch as the Conservatives that post here.
By C. B. Innes on 03.01.08 5:47 pm -end quote
Actually some Liberals just keep informed.
Enjoy.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/groupaction/
http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/gomery-commission-inquiry-sponsorship-scandal
http://tinyurl.com/38vhqz
Many former civil servants know exactly where Guite was during the Mulroney years. He was doing the exact same thing at DSS (what became PWGSC). Go back and read the testimony of Dignwall. He will confirm it was going on long before the Libs got in. Our firend the “scamp” simply agreed to broker the same deal he had with PC’s with the Libs just direct the $$ to Quebec – he got the same perks.
But Guité said his memories of the day he first went to Dingwall’s office were as clear as most people’s recollection of what they were doing when U.S. President John F. Kennedy was shot, or singer Elvis Presley died.
After Guité refused to describe how or whether Mulroney’s Tory government had been involved in making political decisions about where federal funds were directed, Dingwall congratulated him on his discretion, Guité said.
“You won’t rat on them, you won’t rat on us,” Dingwall said, according to the retired bureaucrat.
Mulroney Tories meddled more, says Guité
Freed from his oath of confidentiality as a civil servant for the purpose of testifying this week, Guité told the committee that funding operations he oversaw during the Mulroney years were “very, very, very political,” with political appointees within his office deciding where the money would go.
By contrast, he said, the Liberals let the bureaucrats operate the sponsorship program, with political staff providing “input but not interference.”
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/04/22/guite_new040422.html
Here is the passage from the Parliament of Canada Act that is at the core of this issue:
41. (1) No member of the House of Commons shall receive or agree to receive any compensation, directly or indirectly, for services rendered or to be rendered to any person, either by the member or another person,
(a) in relation to any bill, proceeding, contract, claim, controversy, charge, accusation, arrest or other matter before the Senate or the House of Commons or a committee of either House; or
(b) for the purpose of influencing or attempting to influence any member of either House.
Offence and punishment
(2) Every member of the House of Commons who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine of not less than five hundred dollars and not more than two thousand dollars and shall, for five years after conviction of that offence, be disqualified from being a member of the House of Commons and from holding any office in the public service of Canada.
Offering prohibited compensation
(3) Every person who gives, offers or promises to any member of the House of Commons any compensation for services described in subsection (1), rendered or to be rendered, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year and to a fine of not less than five hundred dollars and not more than two thousand dollars.
R.S., c. S-8, s. 23.
Harper has admitted on a recorded interview that official members of the Conservative party offered Cadman “financial considerations he might lose due to an election”. Any person with half a brain would clearly understand that this could not logically have been a repayable loan as the Conservative spin doctors are now sending out.
It does not matter whether the offer was accepted, the act of making the offer is a criminal offense.
Good Sunday morning all, I will now wait for the exoneration of P.M. Harper and the CPC before I comment further on this topic. However, I just wanted to address Ike on one comment.
My “guess” would be that Dona Cadman is either schizophrenic, or that she never was CPC from the time that her husband lost the nomination two elections ago.
By Ike on 03.01.08 1:52 pm
Hi Ike, You know, please try and not let ‘emotion’ cause you to make statements like this. I do not feel in any way that Mrs. Cadman has any kind of disorder at all. I think though, that there is a huge misunderstanding of what her deceased husband meant by ‘insurance policy’. Mr. Cadman as an indie, if the government should fall would have lost a great deal financially. As an Indie there would be no funding to help run a campaign. As a CPC member however, he would have been granted funds. Ergo: he may have called that an ‘insurance policy’. Yes, perhaps he was angry. If the government fell and he was not a sitting MP, I think (but not sure on this) that his insurance payout would have been less.
Are Mrs. Cadman’s actions today beyond suspicion? Of course not. However, until we have the RCMP look at this and report we cannot accuse her or her family of anything. Just as those with a micron of intelligence cannot accuse Mr. Harper or anyone else.
Don’t worry Ike…you will get to gloat later on and offer ketchup with that egg on the faces of a few Liberals we know.
Cheers! Leasa
Some of us need to lighten up abit.
In response to my banter exchange with Garth over his tongue-in-cheek “Damn. You found us out” comment, more insults are heaped upon name-callings, taking my teasing comment as a serious comment in what was clearly a banter exchange.
Come on, folks, lighten up!
BTW, mon ami Bill Muskoka, I have not been smoking the weed, but I have been smelling the flowers!
Mike Duffy Cons bias??? I guess if you don’t follow the rest of the sheep in the liberal party you’re bias.
Tell me Garth. Why did Paul Martin (is he still in Parliment or just collecting a paycheck) have a copy of the book for a year and not say anything?…hmmmm could it be to play politics with the situation?
And for all the cries about Jason Kenney calling you a scumbag, what about your fellow liberal member, MP Shawn Murphy calling for Brian Mulroney to be hanged? What did he say?
“Hang him high, hang Mulroney! Let’s get this Mulroney before the courts as soon as possible and hang him high! We gotta get Mulroney, put a noose on his head, put a noose on his head. Get tough on crime.’’ I guess that’s okay
You guys are so sad. Bring down the Government if you’re so upset with them.
Oh and by the way I want my share of of the Adscam money your party “borrowed” from us Taxpayers. While were at it lets look into Shawinigate, HRDC, Belinda crossing the floor, actually to many to list. I think you can find a long list on the web.
Have a great day.
because there’s nothing to prove she wasn’t offered the job AFTER she agreed to cross the floor.
its why its called the back room.
I don’t know the details.
By C. B. Innes on 03.01.08 8:00 pm
The majority of Canadians rarely tell pollsters they want an election. If they do say they want an election the governing party is probably in real trouble with the electorate.
If you want the Conservative government to survive you better hope that the majority continue not to want an election.
……………………………………………………………..
Excellent observation, Innes ….. and it is often stated that the Liberal core vote is about 27% , while the Conservatives seem to currently be slightly above that number. Conservatives must scrounge up the necessary 40% for a majority government … a monumental task.
Canadians will reduce any next election down to several basic question:
- Do the Harper Conservatives deserve a majority government?
- Does Stephane Dion deserve to be Canada’s next prime minister?
The elemental mind of the average Canadian voter will parse any next election down to these basic questions .. or just let some emotional brain fart tell them who to vote for..!!
Emilie on 03.02.08 2:10 am,
It is interesting that you are referring to those former Conservative supporters who were “bribed” by the Liberals.
Are you saying that those who offer the bribe are innocent and only those who accept are guilty? In that case, if Cadman was offered a bribe and did not accept it, under your logic, no wrong was done in offering the bribe.
When the Cons start blathering about the Libs ‘bribing’ Belinda, remind them of what they did with Emerson! Nuff said!
If they were as keen on ‘accountability in government’ why did they ‘allow’ Cheema to ‘buy votes’ to seal his candidacy????
And did they bribe Chuck to join them after he beat Cheema with 47% of the votes to Cheema’s 24% in the election & try to bribe him the way they did with Emerson?
And did Chuck say ‘no thanks’ then too???
Leasa, though I rarely waste energy reading your comments, I noticed you must have been away, since there has been extensive discussion regarding the various ways one could take out an “insurance policy” on a dying man. Go back and read all the posts on both days’ topics.
And lest you flatter yourself into thinking that you have the last word when you post and nobody rebuts you, I expect it’s more a case of a lot of people on the blog having put you on “ignore” than a case of your having trumped anyone.
Harry S on 03.02.08 9:59 am,
I realize that you have a huge disdain for most Canadians. This is certainly the simplistic kind of thinking that I see from the federal Conservatives so I do think you belong to the new Conservative mainstream.
Canada is not a homogeneous country and the decisions to vote in a certain way are complex. In parts of this country the tendency is to vote for the candidate rather than the party or the leader. In my riding people tend to vote for the candidate. The last riding I lived in the trend was to vote on the basis of party.
Many voted for the Conservatives won the last election primarily based on the promise of integrity in government. They expected a great deal more from that choice then they have received.
The campaign focused on leadership is beginning to collapse as the leader accumulates more political baggage.
That is the danger of concentrating too much a leader whose main strength is is hands on control of all aspects of the government and party. In that case he is threatened by the “Nixon syndrome.”
It is amazing to me how much the new Conservatives have adopted the U.S. Republican Party strategies even down to their major errors.
1. Paul Martin writes the forward to the book…Did he in fact help the author write it?
2. Martin probably thought the election was going to happen in spring 2008…Was he planning for this book to come out during an election campaign in order to cause the Conservatives to lose?
3. As Donna Cadman says her husband was really angry about the offer…Then why run for the Conservatives AT ALL?
Was it her intention to villify the Conservatives during the campaign by agreeing with the premise of the book?
Was it her intention to help bring the Conservatives down?
4. Dion has been itching to go to the polls…even though their numbers are down…why?
Did Martin and he know that this explosive book was coming out and they wanted to time it for the election?
I think Martin and Dion were colluding…
The only problem is some in the Liberal caucus were dead set against going into an election….thus thwarting the Dion/Martin plan.
Plan B… get the book out now.
Something sounds REALLY fishy to me.
By C. B. Innes on 03.02.08 10:40 am
Yes it’s puzzling to see the Harper Conservatives trying to be more Liberal than the Liberals .. it’s almost as if there is a role reversal in Canadian politics.
However, what you must be aware of, and you tend to ignore, is the reality of Canadian politics. Canadians have been brainwashed with the ‘Swedish socialist’ model and see the Liberals as the safest route to that nirvana. For Canadians to vote Conservative and go against their nature, requires a seismic political shift in their thinking and feelings.
Harper’s only objective now, is to win a majority government so he can begin his surgery on the federal government, the only government that Canadians see as their saviour Swedish socialists … capitalists but slightly pregnant with socialism.
So far, Harper has catered to that Canadian political predilection by pretending to be ‘liberal’ with their tax money. (Canadians are proven suckers for being bribed with their own money!!)
What we are seeing from socialist Canadians like you, is your reveling over Harper’s 24 months of missteps and rubbing it into our faces .. but willing to give the Liberal-NDP cabal decades of missteps with nary a peep or complaint .. after all liberal-socialist crooks always hold the welfare of Canadians close to their hearts (and Canadian taxpayer’s money close to their wallets)!!
I would love to see Harper win a majority government and then watch him perform surgery on the federal government establishment .. while you liberal-socialists squeal as you see your federal money-pot disappear with lower taxation and greater provincial and personal responsibility.
Of course that is what you all fear as you try to promulgate your high taxation, ‘womb-to-tomb’ idea of central government control over our lives.
I hear you squealing, loud and clear .. Innes … and your fearmongering may cause you to fall flat on your face. The Canadian central government needs a good Conservative enema to flush out all that corrupt Liberal detritus that feeds off us like parasites. Globalization demands lean and clean government, and our embedded federal government is anything but that.. so it’s sanitation time in Ottawa ….!!!
I am concerned where this story is going. I ma most concerned what these allegations do to our confidence in government and democracy.
Because of these allegations, should Harper give some thought to appointing a Deputy Prime Minister?
Leasa, your point is well taken. And to all of you, I say, that I should have waited for Ms. Cadman’s press conference before speculating on whether she is in a confused state of mind. I apologize to all.
In view of some skepticism of the apparent facts in this issue expressed by pro-CPC comments here, and the criticisms of same, I though it would be good to get some idea of what ‘blogging tories’ were saying about the Cadman issue – perhaps there were some redeeming posts/comments.
I was not only sadly disappointed, but shocked, by some of the most vile criticisms of Chuck and his family. The pro-CPC views expressed here are tame by comparison.
Jason: Stephen Harper knew about the bribe to Cadman in 2005–why didn’t he spill the beans then on the criminal activity? Perhaps because he was involved?
And I guess you want to investigate Emersons crossing to the Cons? and the appointment of Bernier to the Senate? and the illegal activities of Flaherty in not tendering contracts?? The list goes on and on doesn’t it???
Emilie on 03.02.08 2:10 am,
It is interesting that you are referring to those former Conservative supporters who were “bribed” by the Liberals.
Are you saying that those who offer the bribe are innocent and only those who accept are guilty? In that case, if Cadman was offered a bribe and did not accept it, under your logic, no wrong was done in offering the bribe.
By C. B. Innes on 03.02.08 10:25 am -end quote
I re-read my 03.02.08 2:10 pm and cannot find where I said “former Conservative supporters who were “bribed” by the Liberals.”
Please clarify.
Emilie on 03.02.08 2:45 pm,
Of course you would not say that, that would not agree with your “spin.” Like all partisan extremists you only see one side of an issue.
Emilie on 03.02.08 2:45 pm,
Of course you would not say that, that would not agree with your “spin.” Like all partisan extremists you only see one side of an issue.
By C. B. Innes on 03.02.08 3:17 pm -end quote
Oh a “Cheap Shot Tactics and Irritants”. Attack the person, not the subject.
(CBC News, November 29, 2005)
High-profile Surrey Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal has decided not to run for re-election – to avoid hurting his party’s chances of winning.
“According to Conservative campaign co-chair John Reynolds, the Newton-North Delta MP sent a letter to party leader Stephen Harper on Tuesday explaining his decision.”
“He had some problems, so he’s decided his opponents would use it against not only him but Stephen. And with Stephen’s ethics package, he didn’t want it to be an issue in the campaign,” says Reynolds.”
Stephen’s ethics package. lol
Is that the same Grewal Ujjal Dosanjih, a Liberal Cabinet Minister, tried to get to cross the floor with a “we can’t really say what we’re saying about rewarding you but…” a couple of years ago?
It was the Conservative MP who approached the Libs for favors if he voted with the Libs. When the Libs couldn’t promise anything then the Conservative MP turned the table and accused the Libs of Bribery. Later it was proven the Conservative MP doctored the tapes.
As reported on blogs this was not the first brush with controversy this Conservative MP had in politics.
By maggie on 03.02.08 10:39 am
Hi Mags, Nice hearing from you. One-upmanship on who gets the last word. Oh my Gosh, who has time for that? I have read the theories out there about an ‘insurance policy’, but Mags, really, what party could possibly hide a one million dollar payoff? I know, I know the Liberals are still managing to hide the whereabouts of over $40 million, but times have changed, things have tightened up.
Okay, now that you’ve attacked the messenger because you don’t have the leverage to attack the message, you can now ignore me again. Thanks.
Leasa
Isaid it last week and I’ll repeat it again…
Something is bothering me about the whole Cadman affair.
1. Paul Martin writes the forward to the book…Did he in fact help the author write it?
2. Martin probably thought the election was going to happen in spring 2008…Was he planning for this book to come out during an election campaign in order to cause the Conservatives to lose?
3. As Donna Cadman says her husband was really angry about the offer…Then why run for the Conservatives AT ALL?
Was it her intention to villify the Conservatives during the campaign by agreeing with the premise of the book?
Was it her intention to help bring the Conservatives down?
4. Dion has been itching to go to the polls…even though their numbers are down…why?
Did Martin and he know that this explosive book was coming out and they wanted to time it for the election?
I think Martin and Dion were colluding…
The only problem is some in the Liberal caucus were dead set against going into an election….thus thwarting the Dion/Martin plan.
Plan B… get the book out now.
Something sounds REALLY fishy to me.
But what do I know…
I’m only a 61 year old mother and grandmother.
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