And here I thought not voting was the new Liberal way. Don’t be so hard on those folks, Garth; they’re just trying to avoid an election!

I`ve talked to some very good legal minds on direct taxes. Income tax and GST are out of the realm of federal jurisdiction and so illegal but I only brought it up as a point of interest of which my interests are else where.

The courts don`t even follow their owns rules, if that makes them fair and just, you win.

“appointed government versus my electoral incrementalism”

I see no point in even having the discussion. Our elected federal government has been in failing mode for decades. It`s now to the point where the country could and most probably will go into serious melt down thanks to its failures. You can`t possibly have some position that shows it`s better than a provincially nominated federal government so, no thanks on a debate.
As long as your happy with the way things are that`s good enough for me, you win.

Have a good one.

no justice, no investment

You gave the typical reaction of the left, calling me selfish, ego centric etc. I cannot begin to tell you how many events we have attended only to witness the unbelievable generosity and kindness of the successful and affluent people in Toronto. Most of it given from the “heart”. – John G

This isn’t an issue of left or right, or political philosophy, John. Its an issue of right and wrong.

You’ve made it clear earlier that one’s generosity and weight in terms of importance is measured by numbers, not motive. In the realm of debate, its called “using ones own words against them”. These are your words. I can’t take them away for you.

“Care to make a wager I do more to contribute to the welfare of people in a week than you do in a year? You’re response is silly and immature. Grow up!” – John G.

So yeah, talk up the affluent givings of Torontonians who give fromt he “heart” all you want, but when it comes to who’s opinion counts most or who knows best, its measured with you by numbers when all is said and done and I find something seriously wrong with that, John. Again, this isn’t about left or right, or political leanings, or even about philosophy itself. Its about knowing the difference between right and wrong adn making the right choices.

Had you been willing to seriously want to debate the givings/misgivings of left/right, I would have been more than glad to debate you on the pro’s and con’s of left, right and center (yes, center, that oft forgotten word sometimes used to describe “balance”) as they both have their strengths and weaknesses to be sure.

The left sacrifices the rights of the individual for the good of the whole. The right sacrifices the good of the whole for the rights of the individual and don’t think it doesn’t, as certainly in practice, its the macro life sustaining environment we all share that leaves the ugly report card to which no one can deny. The center says, “whats up with this need to sacrifice? Its called investment.”

All systems of government from despotism to democracy have had one common denominator throughout all time. Its called the generation and allocation of resources and humans have devised pretty much every system under the sun in these respects in the way the pie is created and sliced up, except for the one system that functions best. Query me and I’ll be more than glad to lay it out exactly what that system is for you.

Know that the central theme comes down to ownership (and if you don’t know this, we can’t even begin to have a worthy debate) and with this, there are three levels of ownership: God, nation, individual. All three will ask for blood to be shed in that quest to “own”. And own what. Most of what nations and individuals that put nations up to war spill blood and die for is for stuff that never lived.

Do you not know that most of all we have is on loan, that this life is a test in all respects including one of the most central themes of life itself, what it is that we can actually claim to call our own?

We own our choices, John and not much more as our choices follow us. Our bodies are a living testament of the environments we are so truly products of and when it times out, as they say, “you can’t take your play toys with you.”

Beyond this extremely finite reality called human existence, “what do you own”?

Come up with a good answer to that one, and mabye we can both go beyond insults and into an actual meaningful debate.