Not long ago the Ford guys in Oakville, near the south end of my riding, made many people joyous with news a third shift would be added at the giant assembly facility there on the banks of the QEW. It was the result of boffo sales for the Edge, a cross-over vehicle made on an assembly line partly paid for by the taxpayers.
Five hundred new jobs, and a mass rush to recruit. Many families relocated to this part of Ontario, the most expensive. Lots of employed people left their jobs for these better ones. Finally there was some hope. But it was extinguished this week.
Ford Canada’s put that shift on ice, just a week before it was to begin, as Edge sales wither. In fact on Thursday parent Ford announced it lost almost $3 billion per month in the last quarter. Along with that was news the company will be importing six fuel-friendly cars from Europe, rather than build them here.
This was the biggest company loss ever. It came a day after Chrysler said it would lay off 1,000 salaried people, and a few days after GM announced the loss of another 4,000 white-collar jobs. Stock in all companies has tanked.
In fact, stock markets took another dive Thursday, with the TSE and Dow off about 300 points. The really bad news was not cars, though. It was houses. US realtors let it be known that sales plunged 15% year over year, to a 10-year low. This came with word that the number of jobless claims jumped, and as a bailout bill for America’s largest mortgage companies was being voted on in Washington.
At the moment, 8,400 more families go into foreclosure every day in the States. It is estimated that for each one of those foreclosures, neighbourhood property values fall 1% in a single day. Last year 1,500,000 families lost their homes, and mortgage defaults caused panic in global financial markets.
To stem the collapse, lawmakers have raised the debt ceiling of the US by $800 billion, and are on the verge of approving homeowner relief that could cost $100 billion. Fears are, however, it will have little effect.
In Canada, the average price of a house in both Edmonton and Calgary has declined by over $42,000. Home sales are down 43% in Vancouver. And a guy in PEI tells me the cottage he sold for $89,000 last summer is now on the market again, for $45,000. In one of the wealthiest enclaves of Toronto, the Kingsway, a home listed at $1.9 million found no buyers, even at $1.7 million, and then at $1.5 million, before the owners gave up. In Woodbridge, local realtors say there are properties which have been shown more than a hundred times, yet no offers. A year ago, they’d have fetched more than the asking price.
On Thursday the chief economist of the Export Development Corporation said these are “dark times” for our exporters. “I’m not one to paint a rosy picture at all,” added Peter Hall. He thinks exports of consumer goods will crash this year by 18%, and more next year, the victim of rising commodity prices, the US financial and housing crisis, and the high Canadian dollar.
The Bank of Canada’s now forecasting inflation of something more than 4%, after the dramatic increase announced this week. Gasoline costs have jumped over 26%, and food prices are up by a third. It means interest rates will likely be increasing soon, jacking mortgage payments, just around the time the federal government ban on 40-year amortizations and zero-down home payments deflates the housing market. By the way, CIBC raised mortgages rates today.
I could go on. As few as 90 and as many as 300 US banks are expected to fail this year. One, perhaps, two major car companies could declare bankruptcy. The Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout may not work, causing the mother of all budget problems in Washington, just as the Presidential election unfolds. As the Canadian exporting numbers and the job losses in Oakville show, our economy is being dramatically affected by these realities. There are families wondering tonight what the hell they’re going to do now after that third shift failed. There are more than 60,000 families across Canada trying to sell their houses. There are companies quietly failing each hour. As I drove through a number of southern Ontario cities in recent days, my eye could not help but see empty stores on main street and vacant units in the industrial park.
The Harper government this week gave $6 billion to the Ontario government and municipalities for infrastructure, to build out transit lines and overpasses. The cash was welcomed with sincerity, since property and income taxes have hit a wall. But that cash will soon be gone.
This week I spoke with a guy in Toronto about his garbage. The city is requiring everyone to get a standardized container to take to the curb, and one that holds three regular garbage bags carries an annual cost of $400, added to property tax. If you have an extra bag, the garbage collectors won’t pick it up without a sticker. That costs $3.50.
You might think this post has rambled a bit. It has. But there’s a point.
Ottawa giving tax money to other levels of government will not help the economy. Washington giving money to bail out mortgage bondholders won’t stop the housing slide. Local politicians charging for bags won’t end garbage they collected last week for free. Car companies losing customers and exporters losing clients are problems no governments can solve. But they can stop making it worse.
We’re in a watershed time. Inexorably, leaders who do not see it will be swept away. Families losing jobs, homeowners losing equity, businesses losing money, citizens taxed dry, governments treading water, debt washing over society – it all makes me wonder, how long can this last?
We’re all in the market for hope now. Choose wisely.
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Such withering doom and gloom from our politicians! And on top of this “sky is falling” picture the Liberals are proposing a carbon tax which will raise the cost of most consumer goods. We all need to give our heads a shake.
I think you’re part of the problem. — Garth
We all need to give our heads a shake.
I think you’re part of the problem. — Garth
By MJH on 07.24.08 9:39 pm
Yea, sure shake your head so you can hear it rattle .
I’m in Vancouver today and the for sale signs are all over here and people tell me house prices are definitely down here but they are hoping the Olympics will boost the market here.
Dions Green shift is much preferred to Harpers Climate plan to raise taxes and prices and bind our country to the USA – Wake up sheeple to what Harpers plan will do to us and how it will devastate our country!
Such withering doom and gloom from our politicians!
I’ll take reality over Conservative lies any day.
The Harper government have not shown good leadership when it comes to the economy.
I feel so bad for people working in manufacturing right now.
What about American pension accounts, IRAs? Not only do they see their homes losing value aren’t their pensions/IRAs also tanking or at risk?
Wish we were back to the large surplus budgets. The amount of money the Cons are spending is scary.
Harper throwing money around isn’t really going to help those who have lost their jobs in manufacturing is it?
Did you catch the Obama one?
kpn, 8:00 pm
Not yet — I’ll check it out. Thanks!
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Sssshh . . . U-KNOW-WHO, wearing a red-leather dominatrix outfit with a Cat ‘O’ Nine Tails in hand, 8:39 pm
Hades, YOU are my inspiration, and I idolize you! Answer me this question. Actually, I’ll answer it myself.
What do all these individuals have in common:
Sarkozy, Pinochet, Harper, Dubya, Hitler, Brown (UK), Franco (Spain) and Merkel (plus many more)?
Like you, they are all ultra right-wing, dictatorial nutcases who will stop at nothing to get what they want.
In particular, dubya, harpo, brown (with the assistance of phony tony blair before him) are now destroying their own countries’ economies, all with the sole aim of defending Israel.
From what? Israel already has at least 150 nukes + a nuclear site from which they build their own bombs. Arab countries don’t have nukes or facilities.
Then again, you wouldn’t understand that. Read Garth’s current post again and again, fully comprehend WHY our economy is in a swansong, and then witness for yourself the forthcoming, total and utter destruction of CRAP.
When the next election shows up – there is a saying “It sucks to be Harper” who will look like Kim Campbell with no friends after Mulroney dealt her a bum hand for being a good Conservative and faithful good party mark- Looks good on him who wuld like to be the second coming of who knows
Garth, with all the doom and gloom you preach, day after day, you are part of the problem! House prices rise and house prices fall–nothing new here!!
I think you’re part of the problem. — Garth
Remember – If you’re not a part of the solution, you are the precipitate…
Don’t worry… Be happy!!!
Harpers campaign song.
I realise this is off topic but it does relate to priorities
Although it seems to be a given that we should be im Afghanistan I for one am unclear as to our purpose in the region.
If someone could explain it to me in a reasonably unpatronising manner the furtherment of my understanding would put me forever in their debt
Garth said; “We’re all in the market for hope now. Choose wisely.”
My HOPE is that the Liberals are good on their word of stemming the loss of $2.0 billion a year in taxes from the takeover of $92 billion in trust tax related takeovers (including BCE), and eliminating the tax advantage afforded pension funds by not taxing trusts held by them privately but which are double taxed in RRSPs and restoring an essential savings vehicle for the 75% of Canadians who are not members of company pension plans and yet still need to find a way to fund their retirement in todays’ protracted interest rate environment……….is for real.
That’s my hope. It has been dashed before, by the present day Liars in Office.
My CHOICE and no doubt the choice of the 2.5 millions of Canadians who own income trusts and the 70% without company pension plan will be governed by that.
For the Liberals to capture these votes, will however require a revised and updated strategy on how to properly “message” the realities of this policy that ties into what has transpired since Halloween 2006…….none of it good to the average tax paying Canadian seeking a decent standard of living in retirement
I just got back from Salt Spring Island, BC, where “local” is practically the local religion. Local food, local wine, local wool, local crafts… local jobs.
It all makes perfect sense on an island, of course, where anything non-local will cost you half a day’s travel and a rather expensive ferry ride. What surprised me is how pervasive this attitude was off the island. Even in Vancouver, where most of those cheap imports first make landfall, local wines and beers top the list in every watering hole, the sustainable fishery debate is alive and well on every menu, and you can find entire neighbourhoods where foreign-owned corporate franchise stores are not only absent but actively banished by the community.
Except for Starbucks, of course.
I have no idea what effect (if any) this love of the local is having on BC’s economy, but I can’t help but wonder if they might be on to something there. Perhaps it’s something we should be emulating here in Ontario.
Canada desperately needs a strong majority government in Ottawa .. and it sure as hell is not going to be a Carbon Taxing Dion government or Dipper Jack holding the balance of power.
Liberal MP Rodriguez with the help of the BQ and NDP, rammed through his private member bill which is now a law, namely .. The Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act … which mandates that Canada meet it’s 2012 Kyoto GHG targets .. and we are currently 30% above that onerous target set by Chretien, and no hope of physically reducing our GHGs as admitted by Dion in his Green Shift … yet Dion has stated he will comply and the only way to do that is to buy Billion$$$ of Kyoto Carbon Credits from China, India …. NFW
PM Harper has essentially taken us out of Kyoto and he will also guide Canada through this economic slump … and it isn’t going to be by shutting down the Alberta oilsands development.
Ontario industry sorely depends on oilsand development and if that is held back by a Dion Liberal government, Ontario will become a total rust belt from Windsor to Oshawa and beyond.
Sociologist Dion is not the person to lead Canada through these tough economic times and neither is professor Ignatieff or defrocked Dipper Rae. In fact the defunct Liberal party has nobody decent to lead them or the country now.
Canada needs to give PM Harper a majority government so he can apply the necessary economic measures to save our asses .. because sure as hell, sociology professor Dion going around the country trying to ‘sell’ his Carbon Tax to save the planet with our wallets ain’t gonna do it.
Not only is Dion NOT a leader … he’s NOT even a good salesman …!!!!
On the local news tonight – Feds giving 50 million to the area for infrastructure, Province giving 50 million to the area for infrastructure and by george the city is coughing up it’s 50 million share. Do all these dummies forget this $150 million comes out of the same taxpayers pockets? Everyone start shaking your heads!!
By CWTF on 07.24.08 9:56 pm
Such withering doom and gloom from our politicians!
I’ll take reality over Conservative lies any day.
The Harper government have not shown good leadership when it comes to the economy.
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So who do you think can provide good economic leadership going into a recession??
Sociology professor Dion running around the country peddling a stupid Carbon Tax to save the planet with our wallets while car factories are closing down ..??
Socialist Dipper JackoLayton with his merry band of queer MPs??
PM Harper is attempting to convince ‘liberal-minded’ Canadians to vote Conservative in the upcoming election by giving them a dose of Liberal politics … buying the votes of stupid Canadians with their own money … like their beloved Liberals did for decades.
At least Harper is an economist and Conservatives have shown they will lower taxes instead of raising them during a recession .. like Dion wants to do ..!!!
If Canadians again decide to force a minority government on the nation during difficult economic times, Canadians will get what they deserve … pain …!!!!
http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/bg774.cfm
June 28, 1990
The Six Trillion Dollar Debt Iceberg; A Review of the Government’s Risk Exposure
by Utt, Ronald
Backgrounder #774
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So they have known for 18 years that there is a serious problem but have not addressed it and now the results are being felt.
Also in CNN.com is is claimed that there is $1.3 US Trillion in sub prime mortgages currently at risk.
This spans the administrations of Dubya, Clinton, and half of Bush Sr.!
Other experts have warned that until this housing financial crisis is solved, which will be more than one year yet, their economy cannot rebound.
In other words we should all plan for and expect the worst for the long haul in our own economy, too.
Harper throwing money around isn’t really going to help those who have lost their jobs in manufacturing is it?
By Dee on 07.24.08 10:00 pm
Considering he`s throwing $9B over several years at a $100B immediate problem I`d say it won`t go far in turning Ontario around. Considering Ontario has lost 400,000 of it`s 2.4M jobs since 2002 till just before the latest big round of layoffs I would say it would take $25B just to stop the slide.
I suspect if international investors didn`t start bolting for the door in 2002 causing lost years of productivity increases Ontario would be in a whole lot better shape today.
Harper has not brought back a single ounce of investor confidence. That is the most crucial aspect of responsibility the feds have to the provinces and he`s crapped out as well.
Coming soon to a show hall in your neigbourhood
`30 Million Pissed Off Canadians`
The Eagles wrote the very song for this topic ‘How Long!’ Prophetic perhaps?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/07/16/greenwash/index.html
Why am I reading about the six sins of green washing as explained by a Canadian consulting company but in the American media? This should be front and center here at home!
Re: slide in Vancouver home pricing
I think what is most disturbing is that housing prices are down despite the coming Olympics. Just imagine what they will be like after 2010, when the construction and tourism go belly-up.
Austin
Re: slide in Vancouver home pricing
I think what is most disturbing is that housing prices are down despite the coming Olympics. Just imagine what they will be like after 2010, when the construction and tourism go belly-up.
I’d like to know where Harper is getting all this money from…mortgaging the future for the hope of a couple of votes…
Austin
Austin
Re: 6.2 billion to Ontario
I’d like to know where Harper is getting all this money from…mortgaging the future for the present is a common theme here…
We are being draw into a vicious recession due to high oil prices and collapsing real estate values. People are frightened and frightened people will not spend money. The result will be a prolonged recession.
The Ontario auto industry based on the Detroit Big Three is tettering on bankruptcy .. and there is no doubt more factories will be closing. It will ravage SW Ontario industry making it into a rust belt just like in the US NE from Ohio to Maine.
Meanwhile, idiot Dion is traipsing around the country trying to ‘sell’ a stupid Carbon Tax to save the planet with our wallets… while Ontario is crashing ..!!
Dion obviously has taken leave of his senses, he is out of touch with reality, he’s got his head screwed on wrong … Dion is deluding bigtime..!!
Yes we need an election asap so that Canadians can decide if they want sociology professor Dion or economist Harper to lead the nation through troubled economic times.
Canada also desperately needs a majority government so that firm decisions can be made to deal with fast moving economic forces that will overwhelm us.
I think Harper should recall Parliament earlier and table a recession-fighting Budget. If the opposition wants to defeat the government, then we will have an election and Canadians will have to chose between sociologist Dion and economist Harper … plain and simple …!!!
Harper should just tell Canadians that the country needs a majority government and they must decide who they want … Dion Liberals or Harper Conservatives … because another minority government would be disasterous … particularly a Liberal minority with the NDP holding the balance of power …!!!!
(Garth – I invite you to “join in the conversation” …)
Geez Garth, things aren’t that bad yet. Just wait until the PDO kicks into high gear and you can throw “freezing in the dark” into the scenario. Will the Green Shift do much to stop 20-30 years of global cooling?
“How long?”
Got Rope? has a good answer (without any wars) — five years, maybe a couple more should cover it.
Downsizing and outsourcing of The Big Three is well underway behind a charade of excuses, and it will probably be all over in five years or less.
In the ’70s in the UK, all the old-style, hot metal printers who figured they had jobs for life were sadly mistaken.
Anyone recall the riots when Maxwell and Murdoch went to computer typesetting — new technology, in the composing and press rooms — fresh, young blood came in and did better, faster and more efficient work?
History repeats itself. The wheel always turns. Change is necessary, so it’s deja vu all over again.
“But they can stop making it worse. . . . Choose wisely.”
I venture to say that as long as carney, harpo and bimbojimbo stay where they are, it will only get an awful lot worse, primarily because it is designed to; they will also shout, lie, steal and cheat while blaming others for their own shortcomings (and to cover for carney, as well).
Choose wisely — Men With Hats says that so eloquently. Tell voters what CRAP is deliberately doing to Canada, stay away from finger-pointing, walk softly and carry a very big stick.
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If you like I could email all the info that my conclusions are based on or have you already bought shares in Tek C?
got rope?, 9:53 pm
Hello Got Rope?.
Thanks for the offer, but I gratefully decline. I am not into stock buying or selling, as it is not my bag.
I sort of understand what you are saying; there will be great opportunities to build solid portfolios, especially when the markets flatline for a while.
The Barenaked Ladies song, “If I Had A Million Dollars” begs an interesting question: What would I do with a mil?
Right now, the only thing I am sure of is to avoid GICs, Money Market Funds and similar investments like the plague; other than that, I would probably put half in the Swiss franc, half in a mixture of 70% bullion, 25% platinum and 5% silver.
But that’s guesswork; I don’t have that amount and don’t know my way around too well, so it’s Monopoly Money for now.
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Didn’t Hans Blix leave Iraq under strange circumstances? Now Iran has pulled the plug on the UN.
http://tinyurl.com/5taq7t
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The UK’s economy is now at zero, yet they will spend $3 bln. on new military stuff. Why? Surely there are better ways to spend taxpayers’ money.
This planet is actually LaLa Land — way too surrealistic for reality!
http://tinyurl.com/6grcxd
BTW, scientists now estimate the amount of untapped oil reserves in the Arctic as one-fifth of the world’s supplies.
Guess where WWIII or IV will be held? That’s right — ON OUR DOORSTEP!
As out pointed out Garth we are on the slippery slope with no brakes and no government can change that. The most important thing to do now is look to the recovery period and what we can do now to bring it on sooner and prevent the fall from being so deep.
By waiting too long the U.S. and also to a lesser extent Britain are in serious trouble because they follow the old rules to the “T” and are just now bringing in progressive legislation to try and slow the slide. From what I can make out of the bills before congress the states are still trying to protect investors rather than people. Think about it , one-third of my city is going bankrupt EVERY DAY down there! How many days will it take before there is no hope of recovery? The time was a year ago to put a moritorium on forcosures like they are looking at in Britain for a simple reason. People have to live someplace so they may as well pay what they can on their mortgage until such time as they can start paying full rates again. At least the banks have some money coming in instead of holding thousands of empty houses wth ongoing costs. The biggest fear in England is that more than half their tradespeople are out of work that traditionally drive any economy with the higher wages they get along with the whole building trade industry and companies that feed it. If this country acted now pro-activly we could avoid most of these problems and real estate would fall to the levels it should after the bubble but not be driven down further by houses flooding on the market through forclosures.
At the same time Government and builders need to keep our construction workers employed building large numbers of badly needed affordable(under $200,000) housing units, which will take many forms depending on the region, so that first time buyers and those forced out of more expensive houses can build some equity so that once markets stabilize and start moving up again can participate in the upside.
A couple of days ago I said what Garth is hinting at. The timid will tinker a the edges of problems and hide behind the familiar rules of the past until the always changing world passes over them and turns them into a memory. The bold take the best of the old rules, companies and traditions and abandons the rest to go forth and create new ones to meet the challange of a new world. Hence two sayings.
The future belongs to the bold.(unknown)
A successful man is prepared to abandon his worldly goods three times in his life. (Sun Tzu)
Choose wisely.
I choose,,, hmmmm lets see. I`ll choose the one with the most signs out, Remax is in the lead.
It`s no secret I choose none of the above. Mostly because spending $300 M on an election that can make only one change, a change of ad agencies, a waste of resources.
On the other hand even though the show is a tad expensive we`ve paid the ticket price, might as well see who makes who look the worst. btw for all the voters, that is your choice, the one that`s made to look inept, corrupt, toxic partisan, car salesman, left or right wacos and anything else you have been able to hang on each other.
choose wisely.
“I think you’re part of the problem. — Garth”
Typical Liberal arrogance.
And your Leader wants to add a new Carbon tax to our everyday costs, so we struggle even further. Wow – brilliant!
The Halloween income trust massacre is looking even worse as the economy melts down.
The implementation of the Tax Fairness Plan has resulted in massive numbers of trusts being taken private or offshore resulting in nearly 1.2 billion dollars in lost tax revenue.
The nearly 35 billion in lost personal savings which still exists is a hurdle to our economy which is nearly insurmountable.
With the loss of BCE to the Ontario Teacher`s Pension fund , another nearly 800 million in taxes are lost–this is the 800 million which would have been paid as tax if BCE had become a trust.
This was a devastating tax policy for our country—such tax losses cannot be replaced.
Mr Flaherty`s unsubstantiated claims of tax leakage are dwarfed by the loss in tax since the plans implementation.
Tough economic times need better managers of our fiscal needs than the present gov`t.
It is time for a change.
Dr Mike Popovich–former life-long Conservative.
Such withering doom and gloom from our politicians!
I’ll take reality over Conservative lies any day.
The Harper government have not shown good leadership when it comes to the economy.
By CWTF on 07.24.08 9:56 pm
I have to agree. The criticism should have been directed at those politicians who are telling everyone everything is okay when at least three lead articles in yesterdays news spoke to the opposite. Someone has to give us the truth…why not Garth…he usually does!
COULD ECONOMIST HARPER HAVE NOT PREPARED BETTER FOR THIS…IT IS NOT JUST CANADA….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/07/25/cnretail125.xml&DCMP=EMC-mcn_25072008
As retired marine engineer, this I know as “Fact” once the problem is found, a solution can be found, to deny there is a problem will always lead to failure. eg: A Prime Minister that can do nothing better than stand in front of camera on national TV away from home port when a presidential candidate is visiting only to say “You’re Screwed” is indeed in denial!
“Harper throwing money around isn’t really going to help those who have lost their jobs in manufacturing is it?”
Nope, they can only be helped by introducing a new CARBON TAX!!
What a joke. Bring on the election! “Dion Government in Waiting” my ass.
While we see this decline in our economy, is this a good time to become the “government”. What kind of policy will take us out of this mess? Has the Liberal party got a plan to ease the pain on this issue? I truly hope so. We do not hear anything from our leaders about this. In fact Jim says everything is OK. Maybe he can’t read the signs.
Garth, I’m curious about the source of some of the stats you quote above?
Some are quite obvious and have been in the medias lately. I’m just curious about some of the others as I would like to do some research myself.
thanks!
We need a government with vision, purpose, honesty, ethics, and the BALLS to tell Canadians the truth.
Canada has not faced a bigger crisis since we were drowning in debt after the Mulroney years. We were on the verge of becoming a third world country.
It took the vision and guts of leaders like Chretien and Martin to be honest with Canadians and tell them that we had to get our deficit problem fixed. And, Canadians rose to the challenge.
We need the same tough medicine now. We need to put the GST up to 8% or 10% so the Federal government can give low income and middle income Canadians significant income tax breaks.
We need to put a price on carbon so we can lower income taxes and raise more people in this country out of the jaws of poverty. In tandem with our own carbon tax we need to put a carbon levy on imports from other countries that are shirking their responsibilities to the environment.
We need to get the hell out of Afganistan and significantly cut all of this needless military spending heaped on the backs of tax payers by Harpo.
We need to face the reality that ‘getting tough on crime’ isn’t needed in this country. Crime rates have been dropping in Canada for almost two decades as our population ages. We don’t need mandatory sentences since all they do is add tremendous long term cost to taxpayers and DO NOT lower the crime rate. Many US states have discovered this the hard way. Putting people in jail is a poor, and expensive alternative to a meaningful plan to reduce the national poverty rate.
We need a government that uses intellect and reasoning to create national policy – not mindless idiots blinded by right wing philosophy.
By CWTF on 07.24.08 9:56 pm
It’s always about the economy. I want an economy that reflects the needs and hopes of Canadians, while at the same time having a positive effect on our environment. We have to strike a balance.
We must hold the conservatives to account for both of these issues, as there appears to be no plan, for any of them, none at all.
Garth I don’t think you are stupid but I cant believe that you think that because the garbage man doesn’t give you a bill that garbage pickup is free.
That’s why we pay property tax. — Garth
A note on charging for garbage. It is an uncomfortable issue as the desire is to decrease waste, but the risk is illegal dumping and everyone purchasing trash compactors.
The reality is that if the money used for garbarge collection is used wisely, it is possible to reduce waste if there is a significant recycling program. With 2 kids and a dog, 1 in diapers, we put out 1 bag of trash a month. This amount is free. We also put out a full container of recycling, and two blue boxes. This amount is also free.
I don’t like seeing people taxed just for existing, but with the right incentive, and enough support and education, we can reduce our waste output at our homes.
Sure it’s small. But at least it’s one less bill, and I won’t be guilty when we have to build a new dump and my taxes go up to pay for it.
As to the markets… Hard to say. Things are shaky and unpredictable. Energy predictions over the last three months for oil have ranged from $84 to $250 a barrel in the next 2 years. All from “trusted” sources. Who knows who will be right.
Can someone tell me what school Harper went to? How did he get the economist designation and by by which school it was granted?
Secondly, It was the Conservatives, back in 1990, (and I was a one then) who brought in the GST. We had just started a housing price meltdown in ’89. Nice! A 7% tax on consumption, when people were watching their home values tank and at the same time trying to pay for everything else.
Correction, that’s 2 blue boxes a week, and 1 green bin a month.
FYI the area here recycles all plastics except #6.
In a state of CRAP CONFUSION.
OK, first the CRAP tell the world not to invest in Ontario and now they announce a big investment in Ontario. Well blows me down!!!
GST……was there not a manufacturing sales tax hidden in the price prior to the GST? or did y’all forget about that, it appears Harper did!
I have a few thoughts on this matter. First, I would not give up one job and move to a highly-expensive region to join an industry which is well-known for layoffs. The auto industry has cycles and layoffs and re-hiring is nothing new – we’ve seen it many times before.
Secondly – how is it that Toyota, Honda, Nissan can operate in the black WITHOUT government funding? Perhaps the Big 3 have created their own problems. If the consumer does not wish to buy a “domestic” car, no amount of subsidy will halp the matter. The Big 3 dominated the market for so long and, I believe, grew arrogant. Along came Datsun and Toyota and things changed slowly but surely. The Japanese car makers did their research, worked to improve the quality of their product and slowly gained market share.
Re: housing. I bought my end-unit townhouse in 1999 for 147,400. My neighbour, with an inside unit, just sold his house for 250,000. My house, being an end unit, and the same model, would go for at least 220,000 if I was in a rush to sell it (which I’m not). There is a great deal of construction where I live and the houses are selling before the hole is even dug. Perhaps in major cities or in certain parts of cities, sales are soft but where I live, sales are anything but soft. The houses can’t go up fast enough. And, no, I don’t live in Alberta.
Atorynomore: I remember the GST and I did NOT buy into it. It was supposed to replace the old hidden tax but, oddly enough, prices did not go down to reflect the removal of the hidden tax. GST was also supposed to be revenue neutral – I figure if a tax is revenue neutral, why to to the bother of replacing one with the other – just leave the old one in place.
As for the economy, I remember Trudeau’s era when inflation was double-digit and interest rates were around 15% or more. I also remember being laid off because of high interest rates and inflation. Both Tories and Grits have, at different times, killed the economy. No single party is better than the other at making or breaking this country. It’s all a matter of degree re: how badly they ruin the economy.
Nope, they can only be helped by introducing a new CARBON TAX!!
What a joke. Bring on the election! “Dion Government in Waiting” my ass.
By barry on 07.25.08 6:45 am
I see you are one of those who would prefer the Harper plan, with no tax reduction for Canadians and a carbon tax placed by the U.S. on Canadian imported oil. I guess you like Canadian’s hard earned dollars to go to the U.S. Treasury….think about it!!!
And your Leader wants to add a new Carbon tax to our everyday costs, so we struggle even further. Wow – brilliant!
By Catherine on 07.25.08 4:46 am
And your leader wants Canadian tax dollars going into the U.S. Treasury…even more brilliant!!!
(Garth – I invite you to “join in the conversation” …)
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 12:22 am
..ah Harry – you haven’t picked up that no one takes you seriously yet?
Garth – we’ve had the garbage tag thing in my town for several years now and my taxes keep going up. But, we have a wonderful waste management system here.
And your Leader wants to add a new Carbon tax to our everyday costs, so we struggle even further. Wow – brilliant!
By Catherine on 07.25.08 4:46 am
……obviously you don’t understand it, or refuse to understand it or you’re being told what to say – how brilliant is that?
Re: 6.2 billion to Ontario
I’d like to know where Harper is getting all this money from…mortgaging the future for the present is a common theme here…
By Austin So on 07.25.08 12:11 am
Half is Ontario money, the other hald according to Mayor David Miller of Toronto was old money already budgeted and reannounced to make the CPC look good.
Not only is Dion NOT a leader … he’s NOT even a good salesman …!!!!
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 11:47 pm
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED ON TAPE he was aware of a financial offer to Cadman.
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED THE CPC used the “IN & OUT SCHEME” in their campaign financing. The investigator for Elections Canada denied claims by the CPC that other parties did it in 2004 & 2006.
STEPHEN HARPER’S chief of staff, most likely under instructions from Harper, tried to INTERFERE in another country’s election process, commonly known now as NAFTAGATE. I am sure Sen. Obama will not forget this trespass.
NOW THERE IS A LEADER…LMAO…
Honda reports record profit
Obviously, the difference between Honda and GM/Ford is ‘It’s the management Stupid!!’
Honda, like other Japanese manufacturers follows the William Demming management model. GM & Ford follow the top heavy antique management model. Go figure out who’s fault it is for bad times?
is there any way I can filter out useless commentary like Harry?
Perhaps we should all thank the oil companies for the gouging we have been getting? They at least have caused people to start responding to buying higher mileage vehicles. What goobernment refuses to do (God forbid they should offend the Big Three, CAW and Magna), the oil companies have brought about.
There be a lesson there I think? One lesson is ‘The size of your vehicle does not increase the size of your schwartzsticker. LOL
Harry S. is doing his daily Dion bashing but he fails to recognize that Harper is going to send Canadian tax dollars directly to the U.S Treasury. Then again maybe he does recognize that and is 100% supportive. After all, he was the one that called Canada “a ratshit country” and advocated the assination of the Leader of the Opposition.
Guess Harry would like the U.S. to take over Canada and its’ resources and burden Canadians with the enormous U.S. debt. Now compare Mr. Dion’s Green Shift plan with Harper and Harry’s plan.
Harper’s plan will have Canadian tax dollars headed for the U.S. Treasury at best, at worst, a total takeover of Canadian’s wallets….Good plan Harry. You stick with it while the majority of Canadians side with ABC in the next election!!!
Mr. Garth TurnerMP, Regarding 10% mail.
I received 2 10% mailings from the Harper gang yetsreday.
There on there way to the mail box this morning, will stuff writen all over them.
Maybe the person that ready it will check the web links and facts.
Hopefully they’ll start to think for themselves and start asking question.
Hopefully.
I even mentioned that you are my MP
http://www.garth.ca
Here’s some of what I write on the 10% mailings, that I got and am mailing back today.
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED ON TAPE he was aware of a financial offer to Cadman.
(It’s illegal!)
‘How it all ends’
http://wonderingmind42.com/
Have you seen the good science info. on
the Fluoride they put in our water?
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
Don’t we want are kids to be smart?
Don’t we want to keep people well?
So we don’t need to buy drugs from corporations?
PMSH plan is that Canada will be all out of natural gas by 2028!
How do you heat your water and home now?
Who is ‘insane’ who screwing you and your families future know!
Rent movie ‘A Crude Awakening; The Oil Crash’
And the extra stuff on the DVD.
http://www.oilcrashmovie.com/
The Most IMPORTANT Video You’ll Ever See, 8 parts
‘Arithatic, Population, and Energy’
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6A1FD147A45EF50D
Have you heard of, ‘Plato’s: allegory of the cave’? see 7min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ei7LqbYb8M&feature=related
Harper and Bush are buddys, watch
Zeitgeist, The Movie
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Why are the # of 10% printed, another PMSH secret???
Are you well informed?
Are you a critical-thinker?
Have you been paying attention?
PMSH is looking out for his corporate buddy, not you and your family!
I’m sure you others Bloggers can come up will you own good stuff to write on the 10% mailing before you send them back.
Remember it’s some party member that has drank the cool-aid that will be see it first, and you want to get them thinking and asking question! Hopefully.
WHERE IS THE IMMIGRATION MINISTER ON THIS FILE?
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/467133
CANADIAN FOREST INDUSTRY RANKS LAST IN INTERNATIONAL SURVEY…on BNN….
WELL DONE MR. HARPER….
We’re all in the market for hope now. Choose wisely.
posted by Garth Turner on 07.24.08 @ 9:30 pm
We are in the market for hope, indeed. So, Mr. member of parliament, what hope do you give us? Why would we vote for your party? How would you fix this situation?
Your daily blog is getting pretty lame with nothing but criticism of those who can’t control the forces affecting the economy. Yet you provide no answers.
I’ve turned the page on your blog. There are others that have the ability to identify problems and formulate solutions. You obviously don’t.
Shawn
Is this lame? Have funding solutions at BT. — Garth
The North American auto manufacturers have had decades to improve quality of their product and to concentrate on smaller fuel efficient vehicles. Every other auto maker on this planet managed to do it. Now that the price of fuel has risen to new highs, consumers are demanding smaller vehicles. G.M, Ford, and Chrysler can’t provide them so consumers are looking at foreign modes. It’s Mr. Harpers fault. The conservative government under Mr. Harper allowed the world price of fuel to rise. It’s Mr. Harpers fault.
Hi Jody on 07.25.08 9:25 am,
I’m glade there is still free speech, at least for the most part on this Blog.
If you’d rather not read someone’s
posts, try scrowling up from the bottom.
That way you’ll see first who posted it and can choose to skip the persons comments that you’d rather not read.
Unfortunately or fortuantly Mr. Garth TurnerMP doesn’t have that option.
But who am I to say a persons post/way of see things isn’t valid.
At least to themselves.
Have you see this 7 min video?
‘Plato’s: Allegory of a Cave’
It’s read to you, with modern images.
If you haven’t read it, you can lisen here. Just something to think about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ei7LqbYb8M&feature=related
Just my two cents.
By David Bakody on 07.25.08 9:01 am
The federal tax on manufactured items was 12%, but that was a landed cost item.
So if as retailer triple priced a product for retail the tax was 7% GST.
So Manufacturers cost $200.00 to retailer was federal tax of $24.00. The retailer marked up and sold the $200.00 item for $600.00 the tax was 7%, so then the $600.00 item was taxed $42.00 GST.
It’s more involved than this but you get the jist.
Where I come from they would refer to this ’60′s saying’ as, ‘o well, it’s the new math’
By AToryNoMore on 07.25.08 10:25 am
Ooops, I should have mentioned that the Manufacturers tax of 12% was removed and replaced by the GST of 7%, which became ‘the true and original tax on everything’.
AIRLINE PRICES HIKES NOT ENOUGH:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/467133
I have no idea what effect (if any) this love of the local is having on BC’s economy, but I can’t help but wonder if they might be on to something there. Perhaps it’s something we should be emulating here in Ontario.By Jennifer Smith on 07.24.08 11:34 pm
I agree, Jennifer. It is something I am trying to emulate, and fortunately live near one of the best farmer’s markets in Ontario. I buy as much groceries as I can at the farmer’s market, plus I have my own vegetable garden. Unfortunately, a new Walmart will be going up very close to the Farmer’s market (against the wishes of most taxpayers). As prices escalate, people will be tempted to “buy cheap” at Walmart to stretch their paycheques. Although I am not fond of too many government regulations, I would support one that puts an end to the proliferation of the “Walmart-type”, American-owned stores.
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We need a government that uses intellect and reasoning to create national policy – not mindless idiots blinded by right wing philosophy.
By TS on 07.25.08 7:39 am
Excellent post, TS. I would have liked to repost the whole thing, but respect Garth’s wish to keep posts short and relevant.
It’s Mr. Harpers fault.
By Bob on 07.25.08 10:14 am
He and his winged monkeys have to be shown the door at the election polls.
Garth, that link for bi-elections up there has to be fixed…two many http’s
Fixed. My digits always tremble when I near the PM web site. — Garth
Mr. Garth TurnerMP, Food and farming questions.
This past sunday I stop in to visit with one of my freindly ‘farmer’ cave land owners near Shelburne Ontario.
A number of topic came up like the prices farmers get for there crops, and higher cost of everything. The lack of local well paying jobs for there sons.
It seems the farm corporation undercut the family farms and make up there proffits in the processing delivery end of the supply of food to the masses.
This year has been very very wet and it’s not a good thing, more molds in the hay, and the horse people don’t want to buy that from the family farmers. The wheat farmers need to spray more to keep the mold out also.
Instead of spray once they have already spread 2-3 times.
All adding to more cost. Spray cost, fule cost, time cost, wear and tare on machinery.
A farm freind of theres has 3 big center pivit trackors. Each now taking $1,100 to fill the tank, just one trackor.
Have the liberals given much thought to how ‘the green shift plan’ will impacked the people that grow all of our food?
I’m sure family famers would like to know how it will effect there bottom line, since most farmers trackors use diesel fuel. And the famrmers don’t want to work for free. They have morgages and car lowns, and bills to pay.
The high cost of gas is also impacking rural people more since they lake the option to us public transite to get into town to by food and other stuff.
Maybe we’ll soon see more horse and wagons on the roads. Or horses plowing the feilds. But if that happens the masses (us all) will starve!
Globle climate change is going to make it harder to grow food for us all.
Growing food like corn to make fuel is a bad idea, and might even add more carbon to the air.
Is Canada going to spear head new trackors that run on Hydrogen and/or battery power. To help reduce our food
production dependance on oil?
I recall hearing that we eat oil,
that is for every 1 calorie of food energy we eat it takes 100 calories of energy from oil to get it to our plates.
My farmer freinds also wondered why we aren’t made to buy beef that is grown locally, buy the famliy farmers? Instead of importing it from texas as an example.
Just wondering if there are any plans that we’ll hear about when the election is called?
I’m sure farmers would like to hear sooner about how ‘the green shift’ will affect there cost of running farm machines, and there bottom lines.
It’s Mr. Harpers fault.
By Bob on 07.25.08 10:14 am
I see no one has noticed the negative direction of this issue.
“Ford announced the company will be importing six fuel-friendly cars from Europe, rather than build them here.”
Investors bolted in 2002 causing a loss of years in productivity gains and the results are all too evident. With the currency advantage over the Euro we have gained over the last few years we still can`t compete with the EU. I`m sure you`ve read this as I`ve said it many times, investment = productivity = jobs. Joke all you want but it took the government decades to screw this country over. oops, did I bring up more doom and gloom or just some more facts that a carbon tax will save us from.
Of course we shouldn`t talk about Ontario because it hurts their feeling to think the`ve been shunned by the international community. Of course we also shouldn`t talk about 11 year olds have sex while out on dates. We better not discuss how the rule of law is applied in this country, stupid international investors thinking the rule of law is connected to investment.
Make all the jokes you want Bob but the Conservatives were even more aware of these current results that were coming along with the Liberals back in 2000. When investors and the jobs that relied on staying competitive, especially against the now overpriced Euro, it is Harpers fault for allowing this to happen without a fight.
ok you can go back to the bashfest and convert more to none of the above.
There’s a pattern here. Conservative governments both here and in the US take the economy to the brink of ruin, then Liberals have to step in and fix it. All you have to do to verify this is correlate recessions with which party was in power at the time.
It’s a mystery why any ordinary working person would ever vote for the Cons.
Will ferry costs sink island life?
With B.C. Ferries set to impose fuel surcharges, many fear high prices will kill tourism and break apart communities
ANNA MEHLER PAPERNY AND SUNNY DHILLON
July 25, 2008
VANCOUVER — Michelle Easterly doesn’t want to leave the island she has lived on for a quarter of a century. But she fears she’ll have to.
“It’s my home; it’s where my daughter was raised,” she said. “If I can’t survive here, then I’ll have to sell the property. … We’re all kind of reeling here. This is our highway and our lifeboat.”
Link:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080725.BCFERRIES25/TPStory/TPNational/BritishColumbia/
Garth
There’s this fiord (Howe Sound) that separates us from Horseshoe Bay – 9.7 nautical miles.
When Wacky Bennett built his ferry fleet in the 60’s the economics were sound and practical. Successive NDP and conservative (BC Liberals) governments have neglected or toyed with this transportation system with disastrous results.
To add insult to injury, no one in the provincial or federal governments recognizes the obvious – it is the most expensive toll bridge in Canada for islanders or mainlanders without a road.
Intelligence would suggest that a fleet of Super size ferries would not be the best way to service island communities in a sustainable way. What did the recently privatized corporation do? Order some new super size ferries from Germany for the Vancouver Island runs and use the near end of life ferries to service “minor” routes.
Of course, BC Ferries is passing fuel costs on to the user with a second fuel surcharge this year. This 1960’s business model does not work in the 21st century.
Essentially, you cannot apply a model of one size fits all for every port of call.
My point? Just like those autoworkers, islanders will face a bleak future. Bad corporate decisions and privatizing essential services government policy always stiffs the little guy.
By Catherine on 07.25.08 4:46 am
And your Leader wants to add a new Carbon tax to our everyday costs, so we struggle even further. Wow – brilliant!
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Catherine .. I have been promoting the idea of Harper proroguing Parliament until November and thus pushing an election into January .. just to have Dion promoting his Carbon Tax on heating fuel in the dead of winter. This would be a good strategy, but there is another option based on economic urgency of a looming recession.
Parliament could just resume in September with a Throne Speech and Budget. The government could be defeated in early October and the election date in late November. At that time Dion would face the nation with his one-trick pony Green Carbon Tax Shift issue. Let Dion explain why saving the planet with our wallets will save us from the looming and inevitable recession.
Let Canadians decide who they want to lead the nation … sociologist Dion or economist Harper … plain and simple.
The other possible scenario is that sane Liberals tell Dion to his face that he’s an idiot and will not follow his leadership over a Carbon Tax while the economy is tanking. Liberals will then be seeking a new leader. That means the next election will be October 19th .. which means Harper must struggle along with a minority government during a recession and compromised by a destructive opposition.
IOW … Harper must balance the situation so that Dion runs as Liberal leader in any next election and is exposed for his idiotic Green Tax Shift. This would mean a November election. If Dion survives the summer as Liberal leader he cannot continue to abstain and must precipitate an election asap.
We need a government that uses intellect and reasoning to create national policy – not mindless idiots blinded by right wing philosophy.
By TS on 07.25.08 7:39 am
You mean that right wing ideology that is giving us 11 year old engaging in sexual activity, intercourse included, while out on a date. Could that be the right wing ideology that is giving us the highest number of parent denied children in Cdn history or the highest property crime rate in NA, 4 times higher than NYC?
Crime rates are down,,,, stop the bs ts I`ve already shown how it`s not the crime rate that`s down, it`s the arrest rate. The latest good news lie about crimes rates going down was actually misinterpreted ( or intentionally misrepresented) as it was the number of cases handled by each officer and not the crime rate that went down but kept up this idiotic ideology bashing. The children that will, for the first time in history, soon be outnumbered by seniors, crime, taxes, unemployed, homeless and a choking environment that has asthma up to epidemic proportions not to mention the revolving court house doors the Liberals have given us can us you dismissing the rule of law.
If you like ideology based bashing how do you pigeon hole this?
no rule of law no justice
no justice no investment
no investment no jobs
Anyone else happen to notice that the price of oil has dropped? Has the pump price? Yes in most areas, but a few are still using the pricing from last week.
Something gave their head a shake. probably the U.S. Congressional Bills to slam their speculating little arses under struct regulations.
We’re all in the market for hope now. Choose wisely. – Garth
Are you suggesting we look for hope from Stephane Dion currently peddling his Green Tax Shift while Ontario car factories are closing?
Are you suggesting that Canadians should altruistically accept saving the planet with our wallets with a punishing Dion Carbon Tax?
Are you suggesting that Canadians follow a failed Liberal leader who “didn’t get it done” and couldn’t “make priorities” when he was in government?
Are you suggesting that sociologist professor Dion is preferable over economist Harper for the coming difficult recessionary times?
Please explain to us what ‘hope’ you see in Dion … or do you prefer to lurk in silence?!
Everyone I talk to is looking forward to lower income taxes and refundable tax credits for families and seniors plus they get the opportunity to conserve fuel is they wish.
Finally Canadians will have a choice–something the Conservatives refuse to give us. The only choice the Cons are giving is to the big gas and oil barons–How do you want those intensity based targets?—light or extra light??
The Cons plan is obsolete and leaves Canadians with no choice at all.
With Harper you are destined to handing your future over to the Americans.
Remember,
It was the Conservatives with the GST, that put the tax on everthing in 1990.
Harry; Of course Dion is preferable to Harper. Just ask any woman in the room.
Are you suggesting that sociologist professor Dion is preferable over economist Harper for the coming difficult recessionary times?
Yeah, that’s right cause it’s on the conservative watch.
Reject them, dump them, vote them out!
Its official were in a deficit.
Ottawa posts $500-million deficit for first two months
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=680060
Something gave their head a shake. probably the U.S. Congressional Bills to slam their speculating little arses under struct regulations.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.25.08 11:36 am
Actually, according to reports, consumption rate of gasoline has dropped so far due to pricing, there is a huge unexpected surplus. Apparently the stockpiles are up to 3 to 6 months.
So, good old supply and demand is FORCING the distributors to drop prices.
Sorry, but no naval gazing contemplation or altruism. Government intervention? Hah!! They had priced themselves out of the market!
Are you suggesting that sociologist professor Dion is preferable over economist Harper for the coming difficult recessionary times?
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 11:41 am
Harry, you just outed yourself. I pegged you a McKenna`s guy early on with your constant Dion bashing. You make it sound like Dion is the worst thing going for the Libs. If you were a Con you`d be wishing Dion well on the election trail rather than trying to out him.
Now you have just supplied irrefutable evidence you`re a really an anti-Dion Liberal.
“coming difficult recessionary times”
There isn`t a single Conservative that is talking about a recession let alone anything difficult, remember the Conservatives are still saying the economy is as solid as the Cdn Shield, still spending money like there was no end to global demand for our resources, you`re no Con, you`ve outed yourself.
Say hi to Mc.
Its official were in a deficit.
Ottawa posts $500-million deficit for first two months
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=680060
By IPNightly on 07.25.08 11:56 am
The conservatives are like a cold sore, they come when you least expect it and you never know how long they are going to be around… so I am told.
A Possible Solution for Ford Motor Co.
If you desire or need to drive a gas guzzling vehicle then here is a possible solution that you could explore. This is also a good opportunity for entrepreneurs to start up their own enterprise.
Here is an excerpt from
http://www.torontohemp.com/hempuses.htm
“Henry Ford, inventor of the Ford automobile, recognized the utility of the hemp plant. He constructed a car of resin stiffened hemp fiber, and even ran the car on ethanol made from hemp. Ford knew that hemp could produce vast economic resources if widely cultivated. Ford’s optimistic appraisal of cellulose and crop based ethyl alcohol fuel can be read in several ways.
First, it can be seen as an oblique jab at a competitor. General Motors had come to considerable grief the summer of 1925 over another octane boosting fuel called tetra-ethyl lead, and government officials had been quietly in touch with Ford engineers about alternatives to leaded gasoline additives. As well, by 1925 the American farms that Ford loved were facing a growing economic crisis that would later intensify into the depression of the 30′s.
Although the causes of the crisis were complex, one potential solution was seen in creating new markets for farm products. With Ford’s financial and political backing, the idea of opening up industrial markets for farmers would be translated into a broad movement for scientific research in agriculture that would be labeled “Farm Chemurgy.”
The Ford Motor Company, in the 1930s, created charcoal fuel, methanol, and other compounds out of Cannabis-Hemp at their Iron Mountain, Michigan plant. It seemed Fords plans were well under way to engineering an era of Farm Chemurgy.
Why Henry’s plans were delayed for more than a half century remain a point of controversy to this day: Ethanol has been known as a fuel for many decades. Indeed, when Henry Ford designed the Model T, it was with the expectation that ethanol, made from renewable biological materials, such as Cannabis, would be a major automobile fuel. Surprisingly however, gasoline emerged as the dominant fuel in the early twentieth century.”
[The answer as to why Henry Ford did not succeed in his plans to have cars run on alcohol is due to the Rockefeller Empire (Standard Oil) that campaigned to make alcohol illegal (Prohibition). Then the Hearst and Dupont Empires campaigned to make Hemp (marijuana) illegal. Thus, these three family empires stopped Henry Ford from developing what could have turned out to be a very productive enterprise for many farmers.]
Henry Ford’s Model T was introduced on October 1, 1908. The year 2008 is the 100 year anniversary of this event. It is time for the current management of the Ford Motor Co. to do what Henry Ford was prevented from doing. It is time for Ford to invest in the manufacture and distribution of ethanol to be made from industrial hemp.
As it happens, it is legal to grow industrial hemp in Canada, but not in the United States. However, the American Government does support the manufacture of ethanol, primarily from corn.
Unfortunately, corn only yields around 250 gallons of alcohol per acre, whereas, hemp could yield at least 2500 gallons per acre. If the costs of producing ethanol can be kept under one dollar per gallon, then this could be a very productive enterprise.
If Ford were to do this, then it would make sense for them to convert their unsold cars and trucks so that they could run on 100 percent ethanol.
BTW, it is also possible for you to manufacture alcohol for your own vehicle using a still. This would provide a good income for Canadian farmers and would also allow you to stick to the Big Oil Cartel. I would suggest forming a co-op of interested investors/drivers and getting a farmer to operate the still for you.
Explore this site for all the information that you will need:
http://www.permaculture.com/
Cheers.
Are you suggesting that sociologist professor Dion is preferable over economist Harper for the coming difficult recessionary times?
Please explain to us what ‘hope’ you see in Dion … or do you prefer to lurk in silence?!
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 11:41 am
If Harper is a economist, why is he going to send our tax dollars to the U.S. and have Canadians pay higher prices without any tax relief….
You know as well as I do, he will have to impose a carbon tax if he wants the tax to stay in Canada…he will just do it after the election (if by chance he gets elected which I think is near impossible) just like he did with the income trust file…lie to get elected and then to use his words “screw” the taxpayer.
CORRECTION
BTW, it is also possible for you to manufacture alcohol for your own vehicle using a still. This would provide a good income for Canadian farmers and would also allow you to stick it to the Big Oil Cartel.
[stick it to the Big Oil Cartel]
Cheers.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.25.08 11:36 am
I have seen the price of a litre fluctate 6 cents or more in a day. At todays exchange that is about 24 cents per gallon fluctuation. Do you think the U.S. would stand for gas prices to go up and down by such a high amount over the course of a day?
Its official were in a deficit.
Ottawa posts $500-million deficit for first two months
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=680060
By IPNightly on 07.25.08 11:56 am
Yep…Harper is some economist…LMAO…. I am sure they will be lining up in the streets to vote for this money manager…LMAO….
Jim Dim will do the the Feds books what he did to ontario’s books…run em into the ground…LMAO….
Keep spending Jim….what a jerk!!!
By got rope? on 07.25.08 11:32 am,
I don’t believe that what you are talking about here has anything to do with right or left wing ideology.
When I was growing up crimes such as the sexual assault of children and women were rarely reported because they were not considered “real” crimes. In fact, it was considered acceptable for men to physically punish wives, rape them, and beat their children. Women were taught that it was their fault if their husband abused them or and the children’s if they were physically abused. The Roman Catholic Bishop of the diocese in which I reside actually defended priests that had abused children by blaming the children. Would you consider that ideologically right or left?
By got rope? on 07.25.08 11:58 am
Dion is a
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Mr. Garth TurnerMP, FYI
Do you recall these warnings from presedent(s)?
(I ran into a retired secratary at the world bank. And are you aware that Mr. Chretien and Mr. Martine are/were on the board of the world bank.)
President Eisenhower’s farewell address.
few min.
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.html
JFK WARNED US! few min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y08pJiNS8mk&NR=1
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: truth about the Bush presidency 2. ~6min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz6kG11Ek1w&feature=related
Clips from AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6709022309011886773&q=&hl=en
Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD to Aaron Russo. ~10min.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6709022309011886773&q=&hl=en
Will Bush Cancel The 2008 Election?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6709022309011886773&q=&hl=en
Do you recall PMSH signing the secrative SPP deal to ‘harmonize’ the USA, Canada, mexico standards!
The signing of the SPP is Treason!
Lou Dobbs and SPP. ~3min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Xs8bposCc
Deceit and Betrayal: Bush’s Plan to Destroy the U.S.. 6min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Li0Wa5rc0&feature=related
CNN/DOBBS: W FULFILLS HIS DAD’S DREAM OFA NEW WORLD ORDER. 2 1/2 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdxI0zClV_Y
Cheney Laughs About North American Union Agenda Deception. 2min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brYWujMC-0k&feature=related
9/11 Truth EXPLOSIVES going off in WTC (CLEAR AUDIO!!!) 6min
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6709022309011886773&q=&hl=en
Ron Paul on NAU, SPP, NAFTA, UN. 1min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6O-Cznef-M&feature=related
Rumour has it Jim Dim is calling a special meeting for someone to explain to him why revenues are down, it seems spending at a 7% clip seems prudent for him and he is at a loss why revenues can’t keep up with his spending. I wonder if he ever reads a newspaper?
By got rope? on 07.25.08 11:58 am
Dion is a
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By HARRY S on 07.25.08 12:18 pm
I believe you may have touch a nerve R.
We’re in a watershed time. Inexorably, leaders who do not see it will be swept away.
posted by Garth Turner on 07.24.08 @ 9:30 pm |
Indeed we are in a watershed time and I agree that there will be consequences facing politicians who don’t recognize this fact.
IMO, the Corp elite have successfully used our gov’ts; without our consent or accountability, to help create the concept of unrestricted free markets, free enterprise and free trade. Add in deregulation, privatization and globalisation ,selling it as trickle-down economics; instead becomes a trickle-up wealth to an elite society who is determined to rule the new capitalist world and our politicians.
In these present times, our gov’t knows exactly how to manipulate the public mind and it isn’t to the benefit of the citizenry. We are at fault for the times that we are experiencing because we lost the “power of the people” a long time ago and now it’s time to take back what is rightfully ours.
We can start by telling our gov’t to STOP LYING TO US.
The TRUTH is , we will always get the govt we deserve.
The Conservatives = GST
and
the GST = Conservatives
They are the true
tax on everything party!
NOT TO FEAR, CANADA’S DEFENSE MINISTER RIGHT ON TOP OF THIS:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=34ff4969-99fc-4c71-94bc-3e86f4575ce3
Can someone tell me what school Harper went to? How did he get the economist designation and by by which school it was granted?
By AToryNoMore on 07.25.08 8:44 am
Harper enrolled at the University of Toronto but after two months he dropped out, then moved to Edmonton, Alberta, where he found work at Imperial Oil, in the mail room. Later, he would advance to work on the company’s computer systems.
He took up post-secondary studies again at the University of Calgary, where he completed a Bachelor’s degree in economics. He later returned there to earn a Master’s degree in economics, completed in 1993. Harper has kept strong links to the University of Calgary, and often guest-lectured there.
Harper was especially critical of the Mulroney government’s fiscal policy, and its inability to fully revoke the NEP until 1986. He left the PC Party that same year.
Harper impressed Manning who invited him to participate in the party in 1987.He became the Reform Party’s Chief Policy Officer, and he played a major role in drafting the 1988 election platform.
Harper has never held a position in the private or public sector as an economist.
His resume reads as a backroom political hack. The most intersting entry is when he quit the Reform Party to head the National Citizens Coalition.
Based on his government policies it shows big time…
Do you think the U.S. would stand for gas prices to go up and down by such a high amount over the course of a day?
By Marc on 07.25.08 12:14 pm
They do! We laughed Tuesday as we travelled down to Toronto observing the price of gas was within $0.01 everywhere.
No collusion of course! yeah right! Oddawahaha needs to get a reality check, not spend more money on BS studies.
I love it when they have a good old fashioned price war up here. That brings back some fond memories of the ’70′s before every station was controlled by some Bean Counter in a corporate HQ on a computer.
I bet that would stop if they did not have the electronic signs? The poor attendants still have to go out and change the posted price though. I still attribute the rapid changes to seagulls crapping on oil rigs! LOL Probably trained by the U.S. Navy like dolphins and seals, eh?
When I was growing up crimes such as the sexual assault of children
Would you consider that ideologically right or left?
C. B. Innes on 07.25.08 12:17 pm
First off CB you`re using a model that hasn`t been around for decades.
Is sexual perversion left or right ideology? The only proof I have of ideology is when Martin allowed the Sharpe case on child porn to stand.
All of this has nothing to do with 11 year old sexually active children dating but if you insist on having a discussion on child abuse at least revue the facts before you go blaming the wrong party.
“In fact, it was considered acceptable for men to physically punish wives, rape them, and beat their children”
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http://tinyurl.com/64p8f2
3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women
Vancouver Sun, Gerry Bellett , Canwest News Service, Tuesday, May 27, 2008
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http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=79708ae2-1dbf-4bdf-a9fe-83b65df121c1
Landmark sex exploitation study finds surprising number of female abusers
Gerry Bellett, Vancouver Sun
Published: Wednesday, May 28, 2008
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http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm04/figure3_6.htm
USA
Figure 3-6 Victims by Perpetrator Relationship, 2004
Child Maltreatment 2004
Victims by Perpetrator Relationship, 2004
This bar graphs shows that approximately two-fifths (38.8%) of child victims were maltreated by their mothers acting alone; another 18.3 percent were maltreated by their fathers acting alone
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Canadian
Incidence Study
of Reported Child
Abuse and Neglect
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cissr-ecirc/pdf/cmic_e.pdf
page 20
40% of investigated families were
female-parent families (discussed in
chapter 7 of the CIS Final Report).
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/cm-vee/csca-ecve/pdf/childabuse_final_e.pdf
page 51
30% of physical abuse victims
were living in lone female-parent
families (see Table 7-1).
page 52
42% of cases of substantiated
neglect involved lone female-parent
families
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CB I never expected the usual lie/spin from you.
If you`re not standing up for our children you`re no better than the abuser.,
no justice, no investment
Socialist Dipper JackoLayton with his merry band of queer MPs??
Harry S – what exactly do you mean by that statement?
Harper has never held a position in the private or public sector as an economist.
His resume reads as a backroom political hack. The most interesting entry is when he quit the Reform Party to head the National Citizens Coalition.
Based on his government policies it shows big time…
By Bonnie N BC on 07.25.08 12:39 pm
Bonnie, first let me say thank you for your post.
Can you tell me where you learned this information and where I can get a copy of your source material?
Thank you.
Dion must actively campaign in the three September 8th by-elections, promoting his Green Tax Shift.
Local candidates must peddle Dion’s Carbon Tax because that will be the big Liberal issue come the next federal election late this year or early next.
Voters in Guelph, Westmount and St.Lambert will be the first to pass judgment on the Liberal Green Shift and saving the planet with our wallets … good luck .. LOL
DION IS A PRO-ACTIVE LEADER
HARPER IS A RE-ACTIVE LEADER…
Mr. Dion has outsmarted the CPC leader with his Green Shift policy. Harper reacted saying it was a tax grab and Dion was out to screw Canadians. Now Harper is stuck with that. But there is a growing consensus among world leaders that they will be imposing a carbon tax on imports from countries who do not have one. So, for example, if Sen. soon to be President Obama places a carbon tax on Canadian oil, Harper is left with two choices.
1. Allow Canadian tax dollars to go to the U.S. Treasury.
2. Impose a tax in Canada, and keep the tax dollars in Canada.
Now which will he choose?
Seems Mr. Harper has painted himself into a corner.
Explore this site for all the information that you will need:
By John Zalischuk on 07.25.08 12:07 pm
Hi John
Hold the phone on that thought. There are strict laws regulating the production of alcohol and denatured alcohol(Ethanol) in Canada.
While I know your heart is in the right place people could get into a lot of trouble with the Feds.
FYI, the most promising fuel replacement to gasoline and diesel is butanol not ethanol. Hydrogen is a byproduct of the process.
Ottawa swings to deficit:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080725.wdeficit0725/CommentStory/Business/home
Tory times are hard times!
Now since Mr. Harper has established himself as a re-active leader, which program will he be cutting to achieve a balanced budget? Or will a balanced budget become another of his lies?
Harry; Of course Dion is preferable to Harper. Just ask any woman in the room.
By Judy on 07.25.08 11:51 am
Right on Judy! And, the ladies represent 51% of the voting sector.
Garth,
Sorry, I haven’t read the above article as of yet, I will get to it later on today.
Quick comment….
Probably the most sensitive issue for Ontarians is Canada’s fiscal situation; deficits are unexplainable and unacceptable. Ontarians suffered huge during the 1990s to get the books back in order and we demand that they stay that way from our politicians. It is one reason why Former Premier Harris is seen as a political loser.
How is Harper going to explain this:
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=680060
Daryn
CB Innes – I don’t know about your childhood environment but I do not recall a time when it was acceptable for men to physically punish and rape their wives or to beat up their children. In fact, we were brought up to believe that hitting a girl or a child was the lowest thing that a boy or man could do. I also remember that convicted rapists were strapped. Yes, abuse existed – always did and always will but please do not try to tell us that this was the world back then. I was born in 1953 so I do know what it was like back in those days. We were spanked, not beaten – there is a difference. We got the strap in school – I disapprove of that and am happy that it is no longer allowed. I do not harbour any ill effects of the swats I received on the behind and, in fact, I am quite surprised that my mother actually tolerated me given how “active” I was. Please do not even imply that we men are given to this sort of violence as an accepted behaviour. Also, there are mothers who have abused their kids.
“Perhaps it’s something we should be emulating here in Ontario”
BY JENNIFER SMITH 07.24.08 11:34PM
I have many, many relatives all over Ontario who have been practicing “local” their whole lives.
I might add they’ve always been green and never bought into buying ‘new’ – when the old will do. I’ve always subscribed to that. They range in age from 60 to 90 and they raised their children to be the same way.
The decadence and wastefulness I’ve seen grow in friends around us for 30 years Calgary, has always struck me as their insecurities taking over from common sense.
Voters in Guelph, Westmount and St.Lambert will be the first to pass judgment on the Liberal Green Shift and saving the planet with our wallets … good luck .. LOL
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 12:51 pm
If that is the issue, then it will be a Liberal sweep as Harper has no plan but to enrich the U.S. Treasury.
Federal Deficit in April and May!!!
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/25/fedfinance.html
Harry; Of course Dion is preferable to Harper. Just ask any woman in the room.
By Judy on 07.25.08 11:51 am
Right on Judy! And, the ladies represent 51% of the voting sector.
By slg on 07.25.08 1:13 pm
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Women who vote Liberal are not “ladies” ….
Dion has spent much of the summer trying to sell his Green Shift environmental priorities to Canadians, including his controversial carbon tax plan that would be partially offset by personal and corporate tax cuts.-CTV
Garth, I thought the Green Shift was to be revenue nuetral? What does partially offset mean, partially revenue nuetral, or is the CTV article incorrect?
BY CHARLES OXLEY 07.25.08 1:26AM
Charles,
I enjoy reading your posts (ignore “8:39” he’s a bore) and it seems I get clicking around and find something else that I know you’d find interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/6gw2hy
Harper’s new military spending is $96 billion, not $30 billion
“A must read from Le Devoir on Thursday: “96 milliards de plus pour l’armee.”
“It seems that Harper’s announcement of $30 billion this past Monday for the “Canada First Defence Strategy” was wildly understated. It’s three times that much. On Thursday, the Globe reported that the new defence spending would be $20 billion more than Harper’s announced $30 billion.
“But it seems even that was an understatement, perhaps resulting from confusion during the military’s “press” conference in which they were unable to give their names.” [What??!?]
“Le Devoir’s report has a senior military official indicating the real amount, close to $100 billion, is being kept from the public due to the difficulties that would be faced in selling this figure. No kidding to that.”
http://tinyurl.com/6gw2hy
STAGFLAATION MAY BE HARPER’S DEMISE:
http://www.financialpost.com/related/links/story.html?id=638669
Good quote from Bill Moyer’s Blog on banks:
“Back in the old days when there was no sheriff in town, people would rob the banks.
Well, here we are in the modern day era, and there’s no sheriff in town. The banks are robbing the people.
I learned a hard lesson: I learned that the Fed really is there to protect banks, and not to protect the consumers”
~Cuyahoga County treasurer Jim Rokakis
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/
I keep seeing posts about Harper being the enemy of women. That makes me wonder how come a strong, intelligent, sophisticated, and attractive woman is married to him. I would really love to know exactly what he did to cause people to brand him as an enemy of women.
Veteran Journalist William Grieder thinks that the U.S. is not witnessing a temporary financial hiccup, but rather at the dawn on “Wall Street’s great deflation.”
He says:
“We are witnessing a momentous event – the great deflation of Wall Street – and it is far from over.”
“The crisis has the potential to transform American politics because, first, it destroys a generation of ideological bromides about free markets, and, second, because it makes visible the ugly power realities of our deformed democracy.”
“Democrats and Republicans are bipartisan in this crisis because they have colluded all along over thirty years in creating the unregulated financial system and mammoth mega-banks that produced the phony valuations and deceitful assurances. The federal government protects the most powerful interests from the consequences of their plundering. It prescribes ‘market justice’ for everyone else.”
http://tinyurl.com/6cw6rv
‘Free market’ is code for protecting the wealthy corporate elite but let the other 99% fend for themselves.
LET’S PRINT SOME MORE MONEY
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=242b4e70-9043-4cb8-a15b-34d1b048efdd
Women who vote Liberal are not “ladies” ….
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 1:47 pm
Guess who is going to be banned over this!!!!
Marc – in total, it will appear to be neutral. That is, if the government takes in $100, it will cut $100 from income taxes. On an individual basis, some of us will be screwed and others will not. But, in total, it will appear to be revenue neutral.
It’s an illusion of sorts. For example, the government will cut taxes by 100 billion. For an individual, it may mean only $100 on income taxes of $15,000.
By Marc on 07.25.08 1:50 pm
CTV Marc…look it up elsewhere and see if it carries that message…
What to do when economies tank?
Pay off all debt including credit cards. Grow vegetables in your backyard or balcony. Get a plug-in electric bicycle and garage your car. In other words, reduce expenses. And isn’t that what government also need to do when they’re isn’t enough revenue in the budget.
Credit becomes a problem in times of inflation making everything more expensive. In order to counter the effects of inflation, one has to bite the bullet because governments are slow reacting to market conditions.
Shop locally and don’t buy stuff you don’t need.
Tighten your belt, we’re all in for a rough ride before corrections are made affecting global markets.
I’ve never met a stupider bunch that the people on this blog.
Tell me Garth, do you have a team of writers coming up with this drivel?
Are these people inmates?
Do you write this stuff yourself?
I keep seeing posts about Harper being the enemy of women. That makes me wonder how come a strong, intelligent, sophisticated, and attractive woman is married to him. I would really love to know exactly what he did to cause people to brand him as an enemy of women.
Maybe comments of his supporters have done him in like the one Harry S, just made about ladies…it might be the old birds of a fether syndrome….aside from that, I don’t believe women care much for liars and arrogant men who tear at others flesh as sport. His constant barrage against Liberals and smear tactics wouldn’t sit well with most women.
I’ve never met a stupider bunch that the people on this blog.
Tell me Garth, do you have a team of writers coming up with this drivel?
Are these people inmates?
Do you write this stuff yourself?
By Eric Foreman on 07.25.08 2:24 pm
Glad to see you included yourself Eric.
Torynomore :
Stephen Harpo hasMaster’s degree in economics from the University of Calgary.
Problem is is that what he was taught was out dated material with no relevance to today’s world economics .
He is no economist . Neither is he a pleasent human being .
I despise those tiny Earls.
Nobility should be grand, long and strong. If you want me to click on your link, then don’t hide it behind the tiny Url. I want to know which alley I’m being led into before clicking on the site. Instead, those tiny earls stand there slyly pointing their cloaked Chackie Chan right hand.
The format for the link that is explained under the “Leave a Comment” seems much more straightforward.
Here is the deal-
Harper is busy selling out Canada to the United States-The US is being bought by Saudi Arabia,China and India and all their/our assets including our jobs are being moved to those countries.
But in fairness to both Bush and Harper they are leading us but to where?
According to many prominent leaders and former leaders it is to, at the least, financial ruin and at the worst destruction of our two countries.
Choose wisely and stand up for Canada?
We are already in deficit and have lost hundreds of thousands of jobs.
I mean, come on, how bad does it have to get before we wake up to what Harper and his crew are doing to Canada and us as Canadians-Who’s screwing who here anyway?
Women who vote Liberal are not “ladies” ….
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 1:47 pm
Sexism and bigotry in two short posts .
Want to try for the three . You stinking,bigoted piece of trash .
Garth I get as good a laugh from harry as most people on this blog but maybe its time to reconsider his presence. Comments about Jack Layton and his ‘queer’ band of MP’s and the last one about women who vote Liberal are not ladies are really pushing into foul territory. Its not funny anymore when it becomes offensive and hate.
I would really love to know exactly what he did to cause people to brand him as an enemy of women.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.25.08 2:06 pm
Slashed funding to all help programs .
Is that enough ?
BY BARNET 07.24.08 11:14PM
Barnet,
In answer to your question, there’s been different stages at to our participation in Afghanistan. It had originally been a peacekeeping mission ostensibly to help Afghanistan rebuild, paint schools and drill wells. But now Canada’s development assistance is only one-tenth of what it is spending on the military effort in Afghanistan.
With quotes from:
http://tinyurl.com/5ax2fa
“The violent character of the Canadian mission is supported by figures released by the Canadian Defence Department recently, which showed Canadian troops fired an incredible 4.7 million bullets between April 2006 and December 2007, including over 1,650 tank shells and 12,000 artillery rounds.”
“The intensity of the fighting increased dramatically in September 2006, when Canadian forces launched Operation Medusa, the biggest operation Canada had participated in since the Korean War, which started with a huge aerial bombardment by NATO warplanes and included the deployment of the controversial chemical weapon White Phosphorous.”
“The supposedly peaceful nature of the Canadian mission in Afghanistan is further dented by the 2007 revelation that Canadian forces had been handing over prisoners to Afghan security forces, in the full knowledge they would be tortured. It is important to remember that rather than being a benign influence, Canada, along with Britain, is an indispensable part of the US-led invasion and occupation of Afghanistan which has led to thousands of Afghan deaths and many more refugees. Following field research in Helmand and Kandahar, the Senlis Concil, a respected (pro-war) thinktank, estimated that 2-3000 Afghan civilians may have been killed in Southern Afghanistan by NATO air strikes during 2006 alone.”
“With the Taliban now growing in number and popularity – as evidenced by the recent prison break that freed over 400 Taliban fighters – it is clear there is no military solution to the problems facing Afghanistan. Even the British Defence Secretary Des Browne admits the very presence of NATO troops in the country has “energised” the Taliban. Giustozzi concurs, noting that “victims of abuses by both Afghan and foreign troops and of the side-effects of US reliance on air power” now form an “important source of recruits for the Taliban.”
“It seems most Afghan citizens have reached a similar conclusion, with 74 per cent favouring negotiations between the Afghan government and the Taliban and 54 per cent supporting a coalition government with them, according to a September 2007 Environics Research poll.”
http://tinyurl.com/5ax2fa
I hope those quotes and links answer your question, Barnet.
Barnet, here’s a quote from another poster that I just found:
BY SINE INGENIO ON 07.22.08 4:11PM who posted:
“The UN Security Council only authorized the securing of a peace under the Afghan Interim Authority as an attempt to avoid outright slaughter arising from the breakdown of civil order following the original illegal invasion. It did not retroactively authorize the original invasion.”
Hope that helps too.
oh get a grip!
ban this, ban that! censor this! censor that! no booing at the hockey game! don’t cheer at the Olympics – you may show favourism, oh my
what a bunch of (censored) raising their prude (censored) when a Hairy (censored) stinks up the place….
You can’t put out a Blog to get the response of citizens and then censor ears that bite – the toothless are ruthless. What next, a language tax?
Dim Jim & Harper…Finance Minister…Economist? Yeah, and I the Supreme Emperor of the Galaxy!
Tax cuts, economy leave Ottawa with deficit
OTTAWA – The federal government started off the new fiscal year in the hole, recording a rare $500 million deficit that showed the impact of a slowing economy and new tax cuts, the Finance Department said Friday.
The department’s fiscal monitor release showed revenues from taxes falling by $1.6 billion, or 4.1 per cent, in April and May as opposed to the same period last year.
Receipts from the goods and services tax fell $876 million, or 20.9 per cent, largely as a result of the one percentage point cut in the GST that went into effect in January.
What a pair of LOSERS and at OUR expense!
Ah, leave Harry to be himself. It is not a human right to not be insulted.
(Garth – I invite you to “join in the conversation” …)
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 12:22 am
Invitation declined . Garth does not debate with brain addled buffoons .
By Men With Hats on 07.25.08 2:50 pm
By Stephen Smith on 07.25.08 2:54 pm
Shall I dredge up all the hatred poured out on this fine forum against the Prime Minister of Canada .. Stephen Harper .. or is that fair game for you Liberal trools … not to mention the inane slagging over my presence??
You are just a couple of goebellian trools who feast on the bits of rotting flesh I throw out at you in your zoo.
Good news for bankrupt seniors…RRSP now safe.
RRSPs now safe if you go bankruptOther pension savings protected, too
By TERRI WILLIAMS
What a pair of LOSERS and at OUR expense!
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.25.08 3:10 pm
Nothing wrong with a pinch of deficit financing to juice up the flagging economy in Ontario. It’s better than having surplus overtaxation.
Please understand that it’s mostly Ontario that is dragging down the Canadian economy while the West is doing fabulously well.
Looks like the Detroit Big Three sunset auto industry is closing up shop in Ontario and most likely never to come back. Maybe Ontario can start building wind turbines in all those empty car plants … or maybe assembling Chinese Cheery cars sent to us courtesy of Liberal Mo Strong stationed in Bejing.
“”I keep seeing posts about Harper being the enemy of women. I would really love to know exactly what he did to cause people to brand him as an enemy of women.”
BY HEARTOFNATHANIEL 07.25.08 2:06PM
“Actions since taking office directly contradict prime minister’s election campaign commitments”
“Stephen Harper has broken many promises since he became prime minister. One of the most glaring breaches of good faith is his pledge to improve women’s rights.”
“In November, Bev Oda, the Tory minister responsible for the Status of Women, disclosed 12 of the federal agency’s 16 regional offices will be shut down by April 1. The blow will slash $5 million (43% of the operating budget) from the Status of Women Canada.”
?“Besides cutting staff responsible for the advancement of women’s rights at Status of Women Canada, the Harper government has also imposed a ban on all federally-funded advocacy regarding women’s equality.”
“As a consequence,” says FAFIA, “equality-seeking groups like the Ontario Association of Interval and Transition Houses, the Conseil d’intervention pour l’accès des femmes au travail in Québec, among many others, including the National Association of Women and the Law, the Canadian Research Institute on the Advancement of Women and the Canadian Feminist Alliance face an uncertain future. Many fear that they will have to cut back their operations while some may have to close their doors entirely.”
Thousands of women have protested across the country.
“women in Canada will take several leaps backwards unless there is a reversal in Harper’s actions,” adds Doris Anderson, former president of the Canadian Advisory Council on the Status of Women and long-time advocate for women’s equality.”
http://tinyurl.com/626a8a
Hope that answers your question.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.25.08 3:10 pm
And yet the announcement of the infrastructure dollars to Ontario was prefaced by “Thanks to the leadership of our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, and balanced budgets by our Finance Minister Jim Flaherty………”
And weren’t some of these announcements, reannouncements like the Spadina extension. Good timing given the upcoming “buy”-elections!
Well the balanced budgets were due to necessary cuts imposed by the Liberal government under Jean Cretien. Maybe the Libs in the good times should have reinstated some spending, I’ll agree.
But there’s no way to spin Flaherty creating surpluses or balanced budgets. However, it does look, that he has, indeed, put us back into the red.
More proof of his being elevated to the highest level of incompetancy.
To all those who thought Flaherty would make a good Finance Minister, even after his balanced budget debackle in Ontario, we told you so!!
RE: Bonnie N BC on 07.25.08 1:04 pm
I did do a cursory search to see what kind of regulations we had in Canada.
I found that each Province is in control of the sale and distribution of alcohol for drinking purposes. In some Provinces you can get a license to make some of your own booze. (the key word is drinking alcohol)
No where did I find a statement that absolutely prohibited the manufacture of alcohol for purposes other than drinking.
So until someone can point at a specific regulation by any Province, I think that anyone who wishes to make alcohol for running a vehicle should have no trouble with the law.
Thanks for your interest.
Cheers.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.25.08 3:10 pm
Hey Bill, easy buddy my coffee went down a penny not once but twice….and those mini vans Harper yipped up about slapping the good ode sticker on……well they are giving them away now bye.
As far as the election who know but come spring it will be American Republican style election time in Canada, and that will turn on the ode fokes and turn off the young who really should be encouraged.
OTTAWA — Oil prices will continue falling and dip below $100 a barrel by the end of this year, unmasking an “export recession” in Canada that will result in anemic growth, a government export agency said on Thursday.
Export Development Canada forecast export growth this year of 4.2% in terms of value. But that is an artificially pretty picture based entirely on the dramatic surge in oil prices, EDC said in its quarterly Global Export Forecast.
Canada is a net exporter of crude oil and the top energy supplier to the United States.
In April, the EDC forecast 2008 export sales would decline 2% but Peter Hall, vice-president and chief economist at EDC, emphasized that the new forecast, while appearing more bullish, is far from it.
“It really is masking an export recession that we’ve got going right now,” Mr. Hall told Reuters.
In volume terms, he sees exports falling 4%.
http://tinyurl.com/6f5lxr
“An embarrassment to Canada”
http://tinyurl.com/6s2fym
The Canadian Press – July 21st, 2008
“It is not often that Canada is the subject of a leading story on CNN, much less two leading stories. But that was the case recently on CNN’s flagship news program, The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.
Usually, this would be a good thing, a sign that maybe our American friends are finally taking notice of us. However, this occasion was not something to feel good about. The American (and international) media has taken notice of Canada, but it’s not in a positive light. These stories highlighted two disturbing trends with the Harper government. First, Canada’s growing neglect of international human rights issues and, second, the increasing synchrony between the Harper government and the unpopular Bush administration.
This is not the kind of international attention we need.”
http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/article/360198
It is not a human right to not be insulted.
By Bob on 07.25.08 3:22 pm
But the kangaroo court better known as the B.C. human rights tribunal will take up the cause if someone is offended. So while insults are not a human right, if you are offended by the insult you may have a case.
There’s no way we can dodge what’s coming. We just have to figure out a way to minimize the damage so that nobody starves, freezes or loses the roof over their head.
I don’t remember Harper being particularly good at that kind of thing.
He’s more likely to throw us under the bus and save himself and his buddies.
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Re wjp on 07.25.08 12:37 pm on the
disgraced officer’s promotion:
Seems like the recently promoted general has friends in high places, i.e. the ex-CDF Hillier. As far as I can see, after being called out over his lack of leadership of the Airborne in Somalia, nothing further happened.
The article said he was decorated (along with Hillier) for his stint in Afghanistan.
Now, his generalship is backdated to 2000, no doubt to max out his pension.
And we’re paying for this.
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Re Barb the proof-reader on 07.25.08 1:56 pm on the real military budget:
This expenditure is completely obscene. $90B? When people are paying more and more for housing, food and warmth? Revolutions have been started for less than this.
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Maybe our defense minister should take a look at the following piece from a New Zealand newspaper. Students there have offered an award for a citizen’s arrest of Condoleezza Rice for war crimes and engineering a war of aggression.
It’s only partly a joke.
I remember when Rice came to Canada to thank Canadians for their “wonderful support” after 9/11. The sight of her visiting a Tim Horton’s with Peter McKay and his “insider knowledge” (not completely a pun) that she “sleeps with her window open” made me look around desperately for a bucket.
(He really likes those powerful women, eh?)
We know it won’t happen – the citizen’s arrest, I mean.
Police vow to prevent citizen’s arrest of Rice
“…The [Auckland University’s] students’ association was today lodging a formal complaint with police over the impending visit of Dr Rice, who will meet Prime Minister Helen Clark, Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Opposition leader John Key.
The visit, her first trip to New Zealand, follows a meeting of the Asean Regional Forum this week in Singapore.
Yesterday, AUSA offered a $5000 reward to any Auckland University student who made a successful citizen’s arrest of Dr Rice during her visit.
AUSA international affairs officer Omar Hamed said Dr Rice’s involvement in the war in Iraq was a crime under the Geneva Conventions Act 1958, and the Crimes of Torture Act 1989, and the association would ask police to arrest and prosecute her under this legislation.”
I hear she plans to go back to Stanford(?) and write her memoirs. Unbelievable. She is one of the ones responsible for thousands of soldiers’ deaths, millions of Iraqis dead, injured and displaced, and condoning of torture and she’s just planning to retire and write a book?
How about a one-way ticket to the Hague?
George Monbiot tried a citizen’s arrest on John Bolton when he appeared at a writer’s festival in Wales. He was wrestled off the stage and Bolton got away unscathed.
John Bolton Escapes Citizen’s Arrest at Hay Festival
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/28/9263/
What a pair of LOSERS and at OUR expense!
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.25.08 3:10 pm
Thank God you spelled LOSERS correctly .
Could have been a nasty incident with the English sheriff .
Excuse my error.
Peter MacKay, not McKay.
The Nova Scotia connection should have given that one away.
After the Liberals blow the by elections in Sept, does Dion get the hint and step aside? It would be a good time as the Conservatives won’t be big winners either.
Thanks, Barb the proof reader. But, what rights, exactly, were removed? Voting rights, the right to a job, the right to own a home, the right to drive? What rights? The women in my life are pretty strong and vocal and not one of them has mentioned the loss of any rights. My boss is a woman and she hasn’t mentioned any loss of rights. So, what rights have been lost. And, please, the SoW? What, exactly, has it done for women?
Voters in Guelph, Westmount and St.Lambert will be the first to pass judgment on the Liberal Green Shift and saving the planet with our wallets … good luck .. LOL
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 12:51 pm
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Well, Harry what ever, since you know so much about what is wrong and what should be done to correct the economy and environment, I guess you will be running in one of these by elections, eh?
Why don’t you campaign on reinstating the right to buy, own, and use firearms?
Then when some one gets “screwed” by your policies they can take a real shot at you! [Incoming!]
The decadence and wastefulness I’ve seen grow in friends around us for 30 years Calgary, has always struck me as their insecurities taking over from common sense. – Barb the proof reader.
Barb – do you always diss your friends?
Its not funny anymore when it becomes offensive and hate.
By Stephen Smith on 07.25.08 2:54 pm
You didn`t find this post offensive C. B. Innes on 07.25.08 12:17 pm or M H-F saying on MSM domestic violence is almost always man against women as hateful.
btw men that vote Liberal are not cowboys, feel better now?
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Slashed funding to all help programs .
Is that enough ?
By Men With Hats on 07.25.08 3:01 pm
You mean the long gun registry slush fund that financed a series of hate pages against men and fathers?
I wondered who thought that was a good idea, thanks for having the courage in stepping up
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 11:29 am
This is the post where Harry addresses Catherine. Title it “When Harry met Silly”. Soul-mates (if they have one).
While I oppose censorship, Harry’s posts are SO annoying! He is like one of those scabs on your arm that you just have to pick at, instead of ignore. I wish he would find another blog in which to piss off the majority, but to ban him….”Pecked to Death” has a point.
Anyone that has to do what Harry does for a living is someone to be pitied…like those poor people who get paid to call you at mealtimes to try and sell you something you don’t want.
I guess everyone has to make a living, but Harry, why don’t you consider going back to school so you can get a real job that contributes to society?
More RE: Bonnie N BC on 07.25.08 1:04 pm
Bonnie said: “FYI, the most promising fuel replacement to gasoline and diesel is butanol not ethanol. ”
I do not know where you are getting your information from, but I just went through all of the information that I downloaded on this subject and your info is incorrect.
There is all kinds of activity in the ethanol field, while butanol is barely being researched, and is not even close to being a commercial product to rival ethanol. The use of ethanol that is being promoted ranges from 50/50 up to 100%. It is unlikely that butanol will ever reach this capability.
Enclosed below are some excerpts from the Wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biobutanol
“Currently no production vehicle is known to be approved by the manufacturer for use with 100% butanol, though any model that is able to run 10% ethanol blends should be able to use butanol without any problems.
The key research challenge that must be resolved is that butanol production inhibits microbial growth even at low concentrations. The result is that the product of the fermentation is less than 2% butanol. The overwhelming majority of the fermentation broth is water, so an energy-intensive distillation step is required for purification. This may be acceptable if the goal is to produce butanol for use as a solvent, but if butanol is to gain traction as a motor fuel, energy inputs into the process need to be minimized.
ButylFuel, LLC used a U.S. Department of Energy Small Business Technology Transfer grant to develop a process aimed at making biobutanol production economically competitive with petrochemical production processes. ButylFuel is planning to market its biobutanol as a solvent first, and then market it as a fuel in the future.
DuPont and BP are making biobutanol the first product of their joint effort to develop, produce, and market next-generation biofuels.”
Cheers.
I’ve never met a stupider bunch that the people on this blog.
Tell me Garth, do you have a team of writers coming up with this drivel?
Are these people inmates?
Do you write this stuff yourself?
By Eric Foreman on 07.25.08 2:24 pm
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Hey Wise Guy, why don’t you post your I.Q. for starters? What credentials do you have to rate other peoples intelligence? Just because some one writes something that you do not like or agree with is not license to berate and belittle their ideas and proposals. That is called Democracy and Freedom, the right to do and say the wrong thing provided it does not contravene the Criminal Code, etc. What appears to you to be stupid may in fact appear to some others to be brilliant. Only logical debate with proven facts are effective counter measures to truly inept ideas. If that irks you, tough. And just for the record, I am not a member of any political party, am not paid to write or post anything anywhere, plus am a retiree, free thinker and shit disturber. So in the words of the immortal bard, piss off into the middle distance until you can learn to debate within the normal ethics of society!
Dion needs to get the Election mode rolling, because:
1- He needs to sell his Green Shaft proposal out there now before the reality of his Tax “Grab” Shift sinks in with Canadians.
2- The backroom boys have had enough and are looking for Canadians to pay the cost of ousting him rather than going to the expense of another Leadership review/convention.
3 – If there isnt an election in the Fall then Dion won’t be the Liberal Leader in the election.
4 – Harper needs to find a way to get the opposition to defeat him for a fast election.
5 – Harper will face Rae next time…while he has flaws he is a far stronger opponent than Dion and a potential PM. Lets get this thing over with.
Liberal back room boys are stuffing Dion’s ‘town hall’ meetings with sock puppets/sycophants encouraging Dion to call an election so that he can be killed off quickly rather than suffer the lingering death that risks leaving the entire Liberal body in a prolonged state of septic shock.
This is the kind of thing that can happen when the local utility raises their rates…
http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/365089
By heartofnathaniel on 07.25.08 1:21 pm,
Extreme cases of abuse were not acceptable: cases when someone had to be hospitalized. But in most cases it was ignored and hidden and nothing was ever done. That is why so many priests and other so-called “respected” individuals within a community were able to get away with what they were doing. No one would dare tell because they would be the one punished for telling tales.
The fact that these crimes are more often prosecuted today has a major impact on crime figures.
Barb 2:07pm
That is what it comes down to in the end.
Do we continue with socialistic capitalism where corporations and the rich are guarenteed profits and access to world markets while producing their goods in countries with no rules. Meanwhile businesses in North America and Europe are dealing with regulations and taxation of a mature economy and the people are subject to market conditions and cost of living that results in the one way flow of money into the hands of the rich with no socialistic guarentees of wage increases in line with the real rate of inflation? The timid will hold onto this model till the rich abandon them like an unwanted puppy.
The bold however are looking at carbon taxes as a way of restabilizing their countries economies. The biggest danger right now is for individual countries to start putting up tarrifs all over the place. Hopefully they get smart enough to have a single world tax on carbon that every company wishing to sell across a border will have to pay either to the producing country or the country buying the product. Cap and trade only works within borders or even in a group of industries within borders. This the preferred method by corporations because they can move money across borders easily thus maximising profits again.
In order to create a trully level playing field we need an international set of environmental standards, quality standards and a minimum wage of 5 dollars an hour U.S. for movement of goods across borders. As well any subsidies within countries need to be taxed back out before products can be sold abroad.
This approach is the opposite of what we have now. Basically countries can choose to have any rules, subsidies or carbon trading systems internally but the minute you want to sell to someone else all that would be taxed out before going over the border and the appropriate carbon tax applied to the cost including shipping thus products and goods would trade at a more even price around the world and not interfere so much with local economies. By including a minimu wage this means that workers in poor countries would be able to afford some products from countries like ours and the one way flow of money would become two way resulting in more riches for everyone.
Oh well it is a pipe dream but I know you like that sort of thing so we can dream together I guess.
“We have come to a fork in the road,” said Minister Flaherty. “Some would have us go down the path to higher spending, higher interest payments and higher taxes. That approach is misguided. Our Government is taking the path that requires focus, prudence and discipline.”
This is the lie DIM JIM told us in February
Here is another lie about Manufacturing
in Ontario
Investing in the country’s manufacturing heartland.
In February 2008, Parliament passed the Government’s $1-billion Community Development Trust to support communities and workers. Budget 2008 builds on this investment by providing $250 million for an Automotive Innovation Fund to help Canada’s automotive sector adapt to the challenges of the future.
Would that be job retraining or just closing costs?
And here is the biggest joke and lie of all!
For those Canadians seeking accountability the question is clear: which party can deliver
the change of government that’s needed to ensure political accountability in
Ottawa? We need a change of government to replace old style politics
with a new vision. We need to replace a culture of entitlement and
corruption with a culture of accountability. We need to replace
benefits for a privileged few with government for all.
Everyday Canadians – the hardworking people who pay their
taxes and play by the rules – want and deserve a new government
that will put the people’s interest ahead of self-interest.LOL –
After all the lies,scandals and corruption from Harper how can anyone believe he is a leader- of what -a bunch of gangsters?
His actions are speaking so loud I can’t hear his words anymore!
By brian on 07.25.08 4:43 pm
Could we see some links for this information or is it just a figment of your imagination? And Canadians will be asking what Harper’s Green plan entails so they can compare. Also they will want to know how Mr. Harper intends to deal with Mr. Obama import tax on Canadian oil…will he just give the Canadian tax money to the U.S. Treasury or will he institute a carbon tax domestically so the tax can stay in Canadian’s pockets…lots for Harper to answer…
By brian on 07.25.08 4:43 pm
Liberal back room boys are stuffing Dion’s ‘town hall’ meetings with sock puppets/sycophants encouraging Dion to call an election so that he can be killed off quickly rather than suffer the lingering death that risks leaving the entire Liberal body in a prolonged state of septic shock.
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Good shot, brian …. LOL
I bet there are lot’s of Liberals in Western Canada, Ontario and Quebec who are praying that all three by-election ridings are lost, because that would finish off Dion and his incredibly inappropriate Green Shift.
Unfortunately for Harper, he would have to wait until October 19, 2009 before he could have an election and a majority government … while Liberals desperately look for another leader.
As for the economy, I remember Trudeau’s era when inflation was double-digit and interest rates were around 15% or more. I also remember being laid off because of high interest rates and inflation. Both Tories and Grits have, at different times, killed the economy. No single party is better than the other at making or breaking this country. It’s all a matter of degree re: how badly they ruin the economy.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.25.08 9:10 am
..ah, don’t you see a pattern here? That was during the Viet Nam war.
Thank God you spelled LOSERS correctly .
Could have been a nasty incident with the English sheriff .
By Men With Hats on 07.25.08 4:04 pm
Well, God forbid that should happen. I wasted over two hours this afternoon talking to a couple of French speaking CSR’s who I simply could not understand. Sheesh!
One would think that companies would understand when they ask you at the point of entry ‘English or French’, that when you say ‘ENGLISH’ they would logically connect you with a CSR who actually can SPEAK IT!.
I guess it could have been worse…I could have gotten someone in Delhi or Calcutta.
No where did I find a statement that absolutely prohibited the manufacture of alcohol for purposes other than drinking.
So until someone can point at a specific regulation by any Province, I think that anyone who wishes to make alcohol for running a vehicle should have no trouble with the law.
Thanks for your interest.
Cheers.
By John Zalischuk on 07.25.08 3:33 pm
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Dear John, I suggest that you research the Federal Legislation regards owning, building, or operating a still (distillation apparatus). For this you need a license, and trust me if you get one, you will have an RCMP periodic inspection to see that your permit for the use and possession is adhered to. Just to distill water to remove dissolved minerals is covered, never mind a fractionation column for alcohols, etc.
Just for your information, pure methyl and ethyl alcohols are equally potable. It was decided many decades ago to make methyl denatured for commercial uses and keep ethyl for potable consumption. As you go up the carbon atom chain of higher alcohols the toxicity rises, ie. propyl, iso-propyl, butyl, pentyl, and so on.
Finally, the denaturing of methyl is done with at least 2 compounds that cannot be fractionated out, by normal means (uneconomic).
Your knowledge of the illegal whiskey brewing trade by “Ridge Runners” and others could provide you some interesting research! My deceased Father was a grain elevator agent in the thirties and fourties, who claimed that the Mounties never could find his still. His produce was for his own consumption! He lived to 94 1/2 so it may have been good stuff!
Barb the proof-reader, 1:53 pm
G’day, Barb and all.
Good link. As Canada does NOT have $96 bln. to spend on the military, that money could only come from one source — the US.
Most already know the US is broke, simply keeping the printing presses running 24 / 7 / 365, producing more and more worthless money and thereby deflating their economy.
The NWO wants Mexico, the US and Canada to be one country — hence the NAU / SPP / Amero / reworked NAFTA, among others — have one central govt. in DC, and continue to spend money which doesn’t exist and has no value.
The economic downturn hasn’t just ‘happened’; it was planned to slowly develop over several years (getting real quick now), to leave the population with no idea of what to do with rising prices, how to cope with job losses, as there are so many things happening at roughly the same time . . .
. . . which leads to . . .
“. . . $90B? When people are paying more and more for housing, food and warmth? Revolutions have been started for less than this. . . .”
CM, 4:04 pm
Bear in mind the French Revolution began as the peasants had nothing to lose anyway — most were broke and close to starving, so they knew their time was short.
I’m too old for a revolution now — a short and really good time is all I’m here for and then, as Bill alluded to in The Eagles show, “I’ll check out any time I want!”
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I have been alerted to a ghastly rumor, which has now spread beyond the universe and into the other worlds, that our resident, lovable cute troll — hairyfairy — is not, I repeat NOT entirely what he seems to be.
Rumors abound that he is one of the following:
An “Untested Theory”; “Shape Shifter”; “Hot Hallapeno Harebrained Whorehouse”.
If anyone is able to capture him and verify these rumors, please contact the local zoo — they will corral him, take him back to his cage and leave him behind bars. Forever!
Thank You — Management.
Here is a story every CPC MP should read….if they can read.
Stats reveal ‘soft underbelly’ of poverty in playground of the rich
in the 1800′s the british referred to the tories and whigs as ‘the ins and the outs’, implying that there was really no difference.
metaphorically it describes what was happening to the little guy as well.
it is more true today.
the reason so many people are sucked into this is ctv, cbc, and global are all owned by the same types.
if you care about canada you would cancel the newspaper and tv. i did several years ago. believe me, you cannot see thru all the propaganda, it is insidious. it is far worse in canada than the united states.
Not only is Dion NOT a leader … he’s NOT even a good salesman …!!!!
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 11:47 pm
Harry seems to think that to be a good leader you need to be a salesman first. Am I reading him right? Salesman = Politicians?
What about this statement from Harry. Women who vote Liberal are not “ladies” ….
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 1:47 pm
Garth, I think Harry has over-reached his welcome on this blog & should be kicked out for good. He has gone over the top with his insults to women or anyone in general because in his disturbed, demented brain, anyone who does not agree with him or support Harper has to be Liberals.
Btw, there is now someone called Barry posting & if I had to make a guess based on his post, I’d say it must be Harry.
Regards, Have a great weekend.
After the Liberals blow the by elections in Sept, does Dion get the hint and step aside? It would be a good time as the Conservatives won’t be big winners either.
By BillR on 07.25.08 4:13 pm
Harry you really have to stop posting under different names.
Funny how Ottawa in completely silent on the debt leveraged buyout of BCE.
Actually that’s not completely true, since Jim Flaherty actually enthusiastically supports it. This proves that the income trust issue was never about the uproven allegation that income trusts cause tax leakage. That concept is simply what Dan Miles (Flaherty’s Rasputin of Communications) calls “developing an event”……also known as manufacturing an argument.
You see, if the income trust tax had been advanced in the public on its true underpinnings and rationale, Flaherty would have been laughed at and scorned. Instead a reason that would resonate with the public had to be manufactured, namely tax leakage.
Proof of tax leakage has never been tabled by the Government for peer review. Tax leakage is a contrived outcome that is manufactured by assigning zero value to the taxes collected from pension funds and RRSPs. And yet now BCE will be owned 50% by a pension funds and 50% by three US firms. If tax leakage were the true issue behind income trusts, then the BCE LBO is the worst outcome possible.
Read more at
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/07/ottawas-total-silence-on-bce-deal.html
By got rope? on 07.25.08 12:43 pm,
We all know your prejudice against women so I will not engage beyond this with you beyond this final comment.
Although there are cases when women are abusive, traditionally it has been men who exercised their power over others. Women covered up for them. Some families successfully sheltered their children from what was going on around them.
In 33 years of police work a policeman I know can come up with only one example of a woman abusing her husband. It is possible that many men are so humiliated by spousal abuse by their partners that their ego does not allow them to admit to it.
It look a long time for society to see women and children as anything other than the possession of men or as persons. Are there cases when the pendulum has swing too far in the other direction? Certainly there are.
Clearly, there will be people who are “right wing” who would like to go back to the old days when women and children were possessions and not persons but I have met people who you might characterize as “left wing” who believe the same thing.
To answer the question regarding Laureen Harper, it is possible that she shares the social conservative view that a woman’s “natural” role is to be a wife and mother. Many intelligent and well educated women believe that is the “natural” role for a woman or accept that role for themselves. It is a part of the conservative concept of hierarchy but many, if not most, women today do not buy into that ideological principle.
I’ve noticed on this post that there are mant more con trolls. They at first come off as friendly, then become more aggressive and then finqlly show their true colours. They probably some of the group of 37 that Kory Korn Kob hired. Don’t be taken in by them. Their fear shows.
CBI – I agree. Started to relate a story about one of my bros. being raped by his cub leader but the batteries on my mouse died & my response went into neverland. Tomorrow maybe.
ORIGINAL CADMAN TAPE WILL BE ANALYZED:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/467666
If anyone is able to capture him and verify these rumors, please contact the local zoo — they will corral him, take him back to his cage and leave him behind bars. Forever!
Thank You — Management.
Are you referring to the Infamous “Homo” Harry?
One would think that companies would understand when they ask you at the point of entry ‘English or French’, that when you say ‘ENGLISH’ they would logically connect you with a CSR who actually can SPEAK IT!.
I guess it could have been worse…I could have gotten someone in Delhi or Calcutta.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.25.08 5:34 pm
After reading your post and ROTFLMAO I started to wonder whatever happened to Esperanto .The so-called universal language .This was supposed to make the whole world equal and usher in a new era of universal love . Or ?
I feel your pain .
if you care about canada you would cancel the newspaper and tv. i did several years ago. believe me, you cannot see thru all the propaganda, it is insidious. it is far worse in canada than the united states.
By warren f on 07.25.08 6:06 pm
Where do you get your information now Warren?
while Liberals desperately look for another leader.
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 5:29 pm
And Hairy continues to sing “If I only had a Brain “
After the Liberals blow the by elections in Sept, does Dion get the hint and step aside? It would be a good time as the Conservatives won’t be big winners either.
By BillR on 07.25.08 4:13 pm
Harry you really have to stop posting under different names.
By kpn on 07.25.08 6:51 pm
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Oh pleeeez … give me more credit than that … LOL
I know I’m popular, but surely you must have read and studied my well thought out comments to know that I am much more substantive than that.
Two things: First, if this DOES happen, most of us will have long since departed here, and be enjoying life on the other side.
Second, what’s the point of worrying about global warming / cooling, GHGs and anything else?
Hey babes, let’s PARTY!
http://tinyurl.com/6agjf8
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Has anyone connected the dots yet? Martin left CRAP with a $14 bln. surplus; CRAP spent $14 bln. on nothing (except vote-buying in Quebec), then claimed to have a $10 bln. surplus recently.
Now Canada is in a deficit position. How did CRAP blow $24 bln. in a short period of time? Where DID that money go?
Could it be Af’stan, which is vacuuming up almost all fiscal resources, yet CRAP spends big in Ont. and BC (we’re have a new four-lane bypass built, in conjunction with the prov. govt.)?
Bring on that asteroid!
I saw on the national news this evening that 1 out of every 171 homes in the US is currently in some state of foreclosure. The credit crunch and housing crash in the US is not abating…it is unravelling even more.
Lots of stats are starting to come in to confirm what we have known for many, many months…. Canada’s economy is slowly pretty dramatically… and not just in the east.
We need vision, experience and a man of principle at the helm. Time to dump Harpo.
Wonder if this has anything to do with that huge amount of oil waiting to be harvested?
http://tinyurl.com/5dtbgw
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Well, I guess everyone will know for once and all after the tape is deciphered.
http://tinyurl.com/6cqgew
I know I’m not popular,It really isn’t my fault but surely you must have read and studied my deranged comments to know that I am much more of an idiot than that.
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 7:36 pm
Hairy,meandering to a different drummer.
Now Canada is in a deficit position. How did CRAP blow $24 bln. in a short period of time? Where DID that money go?
Have you priced out dunce caps recently ?
They cost a fortune .
But, what rights, exactly, were removed?
By heartofnathaniel on 07.25.08 4:15 pm
Hundreds of thousands of children are routinely denied their rights under the Human rights Act and the Charter of rights which Ottawa told the UN were guaranteed. Fathers have no right to be a father. These rights were removed or denied under both governments under every PM since Trudeau.
It`s documented.
Furthermore the abuse of today far outpaces even the residential schools. Why isn`t anyone talking about it, the abusers of residential schools are long gone but the abusers of todays children are mostly still around, some still hold public office. It would be far too embarrassing to have the international community learn the Cdn government has if not destroyed, severely limited the current crop of children as the crime stats clearly show. Wonder how international investors found out, guess someone put together a fact sheet for them.
This is what all you people are arguing about? Which bunch of abusers you`re going to put back in office, truly a very sick group.
By brian on 07.25.08 4:43 pm
Liberal back room boys are stuffing Dion’s ‘town hall’ meetings with sock puppets/sycophants encouraging Dion to call an election so that he can be killed off quickly rather than suffer the lingering death that risks leaving the entire Liberal body in a prolonged state of septic shock.
Surfs up ! Water head !
I’m not reading 187 comments so if this has been said before, well then sue me.
But everything is going along tickety-boo, exactly according to the CRAP playbook, which borrowed heavily from this guy:
Norquist Doctrine.
“Cutting the government in half in one generation is both an ambitious and reasonable goal,” Norquist stated in May 2000. “If we work hard we will accomplish this and more by 2025. Then the conservative movement can set a new goal. I have a recommendation: To cut government in half again by 2050″.
Social cuts are next, no matter who the gov’t is and that is going to piss me off mightily!
In 33 years of police work a policeman I know can come up with only one example of a woman abusing her husband. It is possible that many men are so humiliated by spousal abuse by their partners that their ego does not allow them to admit to it
C. B. Innes on 07.25.08 7:02 pm
I post the facts and you accuse me of prejudice against women. I usually don`t get too worked up but you are one sick SOB. Give me one statement I`ve made that shows prejudice liar.
You can come up with only one example??? In a small town north of here there were 4 spousal stabbings, 3 by women, with 2 charges. The man even though he never actually inflicted a wound, and one women who inflicted a life threatening wound. The other 2 who did injure their spouses didn`t even get charged. Let me guess you were on the drug squad that kept losing drugs from the evidence locker.
Men aren`t humiliated by spousal abuse it`s cops like you that laugh at men that are abused. This is what you hear over the police scanner. “Oh my the big tough man is getting trashed by his wife, what`s the problem with that whimp.” and if a man calls the police when assaulted he`s the one arrested.
Ontario has a new law on the books that says if the wife even falsely accuses her souse of abuse he is removed from the home and all the assets are turned over to the wife. No hearing, no trial, no justice.
These are all left wing political agendas put together by left wing political parties.
It`as people like you that has allowed the kind of trauma to children that lasts a lifetime and creates people like Mark Lapine.
You are not only an embarrassment to Canada but to the police forces in general. and screw you and your final comment because it sure won`t be mine every time you open your bigoted mouth.
By Men With Hats on 07.25.08 8:05 pm
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Hey, Asshat … stop misquoting me … I know you are depressed about Dion and his Carbon Tax whereby Canadians can save the planet with their wallets while the Ontario economy goes down the crapper … so maybe it’s you who is the idiot …..
The NDP have really shown their hand in dismissing the idea of placing a form of pollution tax on goods imported from countries that do not have good environmental practices.
This is a clear rejection of the concept of “fair trade” which has been promoted from those on the left of the political spectrum. At the same time it is an acceptance of the concept of the freedom of capital to maximize profit on a global basis regardless on all other concerns. It is a big step to the right for the NDP.
The stategy seems to be redefine themselves as a “capitalist” rather than a “socialist” or even a social democratic party in order to supplant the Liberals. That process became evident shortly after Layton became leader when they began to promote private-public partnerships for urban infrastructure.
The PCs tended to be most successful when they moved to the left of the Liberals. It will be interesting to see whether this movement to the right to the right of the Liberals will work for or against the NDP. It certainly opens more of the left for a left-leaning Liberal Party.
Garth I’ve always admired your moxy and anti-establishment, but lately your blog looks more like your old Toronto Sun Business Editor pages – all gloom and doom. It seems you are competing with your unworthy replacement Linda Leatherdale.
I’m glad someone linked to Honda’s record profits. While it’s too bad that the old automakers are doing poorly (again), someone out there is doing better and hopefully we can bribe them to expand in Ontario.
By Men With Hats on 07.25.08 8:10 pm
Where did the surplus go
1. Tax Cuts (Reduced reveues)
2. Over spending (Increased expenses)
3. Lost taxes due to IT debacle
4. Despite booming resource and oil sectors, the rest of the economy is not doing so well. End result a lower tax base!
1,2 and 3 are all a result of Con policies. We can debate whether #1 was done in a far manner, GST vs income tax, corporate vs. personal, but generally speaking tax cuts are good.
#2. I always thought Conservative governments were the fiscally prudent ones, at least thats what they’d have us believe.
#3 Enough has been said about IT prices being depressed by Flaherty’s flip-flop, the leveraged buyouts with the result that taxes from these companies, either directly or from the unit holder paying on distributions has dried up.
4. And now, maybe, they’ll understand why Paul Martin used to low ball. Its always better to ere on the side of caution and be plesantly surprised when actual surpluses beat forcast. But, sticking with their principle of trying to be precise (which is not possible because of all the economic factors they have no control over), when a downturn happened, as it was bound to do, they have ended up in deficit.
End result, were right back to where we were when Mulroney left …. deficits.
Women who vote…
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 1:47 pm
Harry, I guess you still haven’t found out the ‘women’ are much more interesting on all kinds of levels,
For all kind of good reasons;
Like being/trying to be well informed,
Are intelligent critical-thinkers,
Are strong willed persons,
That cares about the other human beings on our only home, earth.
These great women come in all kinds of
Strips.
I’d bet your mother was a real woman too.
In my humble option.
(Mother can only try to help raise their kids well, but ultimately it’s up to the individual how they are.
So don’t ever say it’s a mothers fault for a persons actions.
It really takes the whole village to raise a human being correctly, and sometime a bit of luck.)
Just my 3 cents.
Got Rope: Can you provide a link to that new Ontario law that allows a woman to falsely accuse her spouse of abuse and then get awarded all the marital assets without a trial, judgement etc.? I’m sure a lot of women would be interested in reading this new law.
Hi Eric Foreman on 07.25.08 2:24 pm,
Glad to see your interested enought to read Mr.Garth Turner’s blog and make a comment yourself.
Do you have any ideas to help make our world a better place to live in for everyone, including you and your family?
You might have the best idea yet to help us all inprove a small thing or deal will the big stuff.
Feel free to contribute as you are able.
Harry: I will ask the obvious question. If women who vote Liberal are “not ladies” as you state,then what are they in your mind?
“not one of them has mentioned the loss of any rights”
BY HEARTOFNATHANIEL 07.25.08 4:15 PM
Sorry, junior, you’re just not compelling. You feign interest in the name of fishing, as I think Bill-M calls it.
If you have the nerve to ask politically naive questions and insult women that their rights have not been affected, then you are just as abusive of women’s rights as Harper.
Hairy S. Don’t you dare and try and tell me what to do you over grown child .
Your supercilious,arrogant,condescending,
semi-literate missives are well known for their stupidity and inanity .
Your days are numbered goofball .
Everyone thinks I’m psychotic, except for my friends deep inside the earth.
A friend e-mailed pix of a magnificent mansion, the second in three weeks.
First belonged to Tiger Woods. This was just as, if not moreso than Woods’ — had everything: Gold and silver throughout, classic and expensive art — you name it, it’s there.
Robert Mugabe owns it.
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Students in colleges and universities are visiting the food banks, yet these are supposed to be the next wave of business people, scientists, etc.
This continent has deliberately gotten its priorities messed up.
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Greedy homeowners and realtors are the ones who over value homes — no one else does.
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Guess that Wal-Mart will now have to pay $2.50 / hour, rising to $3 next year.
Now everyone knows why their stuff is so cheap!
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“Oh well it is a pipe dream but I know you like that sort of thing so we can dream together I guess.”
BY WILLIAM DAHL 07.25.08 4:45PM
I save lots of great posts by many people here, to send to family and friends, and yours are always on the list. Thanks for your thoughts. As I’ve said, I’m on the steep learning curve, so at least in the end, I know I won’t have been ‘part of the problem’.
Yours, and all the other great posters have very good ideas. My worry is that regardless of what we institute, we always, always, have to have vigilance and strong watchdogs. Worrisome that people like Harper can get in because he likes to fire the watchdogs.. very dangerous leaders in charge challenge even a good system.
- do you always diss your friends?
BY HEARTOFNATHANIEL 07.25.08 4:26 PM
So, whoever you are, my “noticing” what the people in the world around me do, is suddenly and peculiarly “dissing my friends”? Your insults lack imagination. We can all here see that you are setting up for the kill, but your set up has been used many times before here, so don’t bother with your trivial game of making things up about me. If I see people throw out perfectly good carpets, throw out perfectly good appliances, throw out perfectly good bikes, throw out perfectly good food… I wonder what you think of that?
Poor Harry is swimming n denial, simple fact Harry, the Harry Government in on the fast track to put us into a 3.5 billion dollar deficit. And Dion has nothing to do with. Harpo took us from 12 Billion dollar surpluses to putting us in the poor house. That’s your boy Harry, so lets hear you defend your deficit happy government
I’m sure a lot of women would be interested in reading this new law.
By Judy on 07.25.08 9:35 pm
I could but I`d have to dig through a ton of CD`s. It has been passed and I believe enacted but has yet to be used. It shouldn`t be hard to find on the provincial governments web site but I`ll start looking for the link just in case.
Ontario is totally scerewed already and about to get a lot worse, still going to take the biggest hit first so go ahead and use it, it sure won`t make any difference to the rest of the country.
It`s just a provincial Bill so the women would have to reside in Ontario.
lol, guys if your wife, out of the blue, insists on moving to Ontario, lol, don`t.
After reading your post and ROTFLMAO I started to wonder whatever happened to Esperanto .The so-called universal language .This was supposed to make the whole world equal and usher in a new era of universal love . Or ?
I feel your pain .
By Men With Hats on 07.25.08 7:29 pm
Si habla Espanol Amigo? Gracious!
How about a nice Fajita? The dog is very fresh.
Harry: I will ask the obvious question. If women who vote Liberal are “not ladies” as you state,then what are they in your mind?
By Judy on 07.25.08 9:50 pm
Wwwhhhaaatttt? Are you serious? The asshat said that? Oh Harry S. you poor goddam schmuck, your a virgin aren’t you? I would suggest you start to read Stephen King from the beginning.
Harry, has anyone told you that you’re supposed to be working AGAINST the Dark Lord, not crawling up his arse? Thanks
Women who vote Liberal are not “ladies” ….
By HARRY S on 07.25.08 1:47 pm
Garth,
Isn’t it time that Harry was banned permanently?
By Men With Hats on 07.25.08 9:54 pm
Hairy S. Don’t you dare and try and tell me what to do you over grown child .
Your supercilious, arrogant, condescending, semi-literate missives are well known for their stupidity and inanity .
Your days are numbered goofball .
Everyone thinks I’m psychotic, except for my friends deep inside the earth.
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Asshat fears me .. and Stephen Harper too … so obvious ..LOL
Garth,
I think Harry has over-reached his welcome on this blog & should be kicked out for good. He has gone over the top with his insults to women or anyone in general because in his disturbed, demented brain, anyone who does not agree with him or support Harper has to be Liberals.
Btw, there is now someone called Barry posting & if I had to make a guess based on his post, I’d say it must be Harry.
Regards, Have a great weekend.
By Irene on 07.25.08 6:35 pm
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
Daryn
if you care about canada you would cancel the newspaper and tv. i did several years ago. believe me, you cannot see thru all the propaganda, it is insidious. it is far worse in canada than the united states.
By warren f on 07.25.08 6:06 pm
Where do you get your information now Warren?
By wjp on 07.25.08 7:31 pm
on the internet and you really have to hunt around. often you find a good source and then it gets compromised or bought out.
to understand how the brainwashing works watch ‘manufacturing consent: noam chomsky and the media’, a canadian production.
then as you watch the msm pay careful attention as to how they frame the issue.
for instance they will never give proper coverage of what we are in afghanistan for. it is always our flag, aren’t the soldiers heros, or the dead soldier had always looked forward to going back to afghanistan. i guess there is a lot of spin to.
look how ‘global warming’ is framed. never are the thousands of dissenting scientists mentioned. the story always begins with the presupposition that it is man made. ‘are carbon credits the best way to defeat it’?
just watch the stories, you will see.
Feds Suck/Get Rope/Fiddles/Burns/Spare a Dime/Got Rope
Take it easy blasting C.B. Innes and others on the basis of evidence that amounts to apocryphal. I have asked you in the past to establish the causal connection between justice and investment, for instance. You haven’t, because statistical or temporal coincidence does not amount to a causal connection.
You have been burned badly in a custody battle, but that is no reason to see everything through that distorted lens. You can rant and rail away, but until you support your subjective conclusions with objective evidence, don’t expect to be taken seriously, and certainly don’t expect to accomplish anything to affect the justice and political systems you are trying to change.
Understand that I am not suggesting that you shut up, merely that you support your allegations/conclusions with verifiable facts, or admit that they are allegations and take the requisite softer line.
I have asked you in the past to establish the causal connection between justice and investment, for instance. You haven’t, because statistical or temporal coincidence does not amount to a causal connection.
until you support your subjective conclusions with objective evidence
Herb on 07.26.08 10:57 am
I did establish the connection, you choose to ignore it. The ongoing statistics out of Vancouver (which I`ve posted numerous times)clearly and unequivocally results of sole custody are in.
How much evidence do you need before you give up on this hopeless denial?
look how ‘global warming’ is framed. never are the thousands of dissenting scientists mentioned. the story always begins with the presupposition that it is man made. ‘are carbon credits the best way to defeat it’?
just watch the stories, you will see.
By warren f on 07.26.08 5:00 am
I am not an expert on Global warming, climate change etc…but if there are (“never are the thousands of dissenting scientists mentioned”) thousands of scientists, how do you know about them?
And would not all these scientist be front and centre with those who oppose climate change, like Bush & Harper for example. Yes they talk about it because it is a political issue and it would cost votes to dissent, but do they buy it?
I guess my point is here that if the media is so bias on this issue, why would those who oppose it brings forth all these experts? Just like you get very different stories from CNN and FOX, why would it not be the same on this issue?
until you support your subjective conclusions with objective evidence
Herb on 07.26.08 10:57 am
Vancouver has 11 year olds dating and engaging in sex. The latest crime stats show mischief up 38% along with a continuing trend of increased youth problems even if the new/old YOA intentionally leaves many troubled youth pout of the statistics. All this at a time when Vancouvers economy was booming, a time when crime, especially among youth historically follows a downward trend.
Following the 1998 report `For the Sake of the Children` and under the direction of the federal minister of justice, McLellan, the provincial courts were suppose to respect the direction of the report and get away from sole custody because it traumatizes the children as the report states. Instead sole custody went to it`s highest historical level ever. We warned what the results would be and now the`re in, this the generation I`ve been warning Cdns about.
Outnumbered by seniors, most troubled youths ever, climate change, health care quadrupling, no moral direction, $100B shortfall in municipal infrastructure funding, a dying economic engine in Ontario with an economy that relies on other countries to develop and much more they can be pissed off about. This is the generation that government created and we expect to step up and give the boomers a respectable old age. Dream on.
Vancouver collects the second highest amount of child support Canada wide, highest sole custody rate, highest number of parent denied children in most of the world, so if sole custody isn`t the problem Herb what the hell is?
#2. I always thought Conservative governments were the fiscally prudent ones, at least thats what they’d have us believe.
By James- Chatham on 07.25.08 9:12 pm
You and I know that these aren’t Conservatives. Question is, when will the country start to take notice?
I guess my point is here that if the media is so bias on this issue, why would those who oppose it brings forth all these experts? Just like you get very different stories from CNN and FOX, why would it not be the same on this issue?
By wjp on 07.26.08 11:30 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
for a start, there are many more.
bush and harper pretend to believe or buy into ‘man made global warming’. they just argue about how to deal with it.
the crux of the alarmists argument is a co2 vs temp graph. it has been discredited i think.
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18524873.400-the-world-is-cooling-says-nasa.html
Rope,
if you have posted the causal connection between justice and investment, I must have missed it. I would love to learn that investment cares for more than returns and that a bottom line has a conscience, so please post it again, or tell me when you posted it so I can find it in Garth’s archive.
Eleven-year old Vancouverites dating and engaging in sex is a propos of what exactly? Lousy parenting – but necessarily single parenting? General permissiveness? Lack of social and moral standards? Who knows, Rope? I don’t live there, but Vancouver is one city, and I’ve heard it has other problems that have nothing to do with fatherless children.
You certainly describe the potential time and economic bomb we face, Rope, but how did government “create” this generation? Through sole custody?
Logic demands better premises to support your conclusions. I’m in denial only to the extent that I refuse to follow shaky premises to general conclusions. The interplay between social, economic and political factors is too complex to be reduced to one cause.
You certainly describe the potential time and economic bomb we face
The interplay between social, economic and political factors is too complex to be reduced to one cause.
By Herb on 07.26.08 12:58 pm
I describe the economic conditions enough for you to classify it as `potential` yet you deny that international investors know? You think they would just throw a few hundred million into Canada when even you recognize the enormous economic bomb potential. Would you???
You are a lot smarter than that Herb, you are intentionally in denial just like the governments are and have been.
Social, economic and political factors are indeed complex but not so when every study based on all decades of data say the same thing, sole custody deals many children such a traumatic blow they never recover. On average 80% of youth problems including repeat young offenders are parent denied children. When you say “Who knows, Rope?”. every expert in the field knows along with the tens of thousands of us who have been looking for a solution for the last tens years.
CB can put her bull shit up against the facts anytime and I`m in.
“Lousy parenting – but necessarily single parenting?” Obviously the data clearly shows 80% of repeat young offenders, 80% of prison inmates, most runaways, school drop outs, teen pregnancies drug addicts smokers and more are all parent denied children. Yes I`d say that is definitely single parent children.
If you deny the facts it`s easy to deny there`s anything wrong and because the governments have been in denial for 10 years the country well and is already paying an enormous price with the loss of investors and Ontario jobs just the starting blocks.
I believe the problem for the NDP leadership is that’s there’s a very ideologically-driven core of supporters who still regard any move away from the traditional policy as outrageous. When a party becomes so locked into a given worldview it makes for a pretty difficult party to govern.
Rope,
nowhere have I denied that international investors know our economic conditions. What I “deny” (in the sense of question) is the connection between investment and justice you keep on implying, as in the “No justice, no investment” slogan you use regularly.
I would love to see you try to reduce our economic problems to the sole-custody-family cause. I certainly agree that sole-custody causes problems, but don’t expect me to believe that it causes all problems.
By warren f on 07.26.08 12:40 pm
Thanks for that Warren, you will forgive me if I have real doubts about anything on Wiki as anyone can have input into it…the other seemed reasonable but then again it’s not so much the content but who is responsible for the input. For ezample I can find many medical sites with advice but would I believe them if they tend to contradict one another? I understand your reluctance to believe the mainstream media but if you take into account their bias as I mentioned earlier, then I can read between the lines. If it is CBC, they tend to be Liberal, CTV tend to support CPC…in the States CNN, Democrats and Fox, Republican. Once I know that going in, I find it easier to understand their information. But thanks for your links and your viewpoint.
I would love to see you try to reduce our economic problems to the sole-custody-family cause. I certainly agree that sole-custody causes problems, but don’t expect me to believe that it causes all problems.
By Herb on 07.26.08 4:42 pm
lol, well, Herb I`d like to see you explain the following by discounting our social situation.
Canada is full of honest hardworking people with no grudge against anybody and all the work skills to get anything done. We have all the raw resources we can use right at our factories back door making delivery the cheapest I believe globally. We have the best customers in the world at the front counter also making for cheap delivery. We should be able to compete with at least the Americans at a par dollar and we can`t even compete with the EU with its overpriced currency. Furthermore we tend to subsidize business with cash and several years ago already McQuinty boasted Ontario has the lowest corporate taxes anywhere in the great lakes region and yet international investors headed for the door at least as far back as 2002.
Coincidentally (or not) this was the same year the government gave the thumbs down to childrens rights but I digress.
Perhaps you know why investors bolted when Canada should have investment hands down over at least Europe but alas that is not the case.
So please Herb tell me why all the facts, empirical data and expert opinions through decades of studies are wrong, making me wrong as well.
Think carefully for there are many Cdn jobs , homes and lives on the line.
btw it really is time we hashed this out and got to the bottom of this.
Problem Poster: Harry S.
Solution: Post his full name, address, & email addresses. The tirades and bombasting will be relentless!
Non Corborundum Illegitimus!
Got Rope, most all sole parent custody judgments are warranted and earned. You doth protest too much!
Got Rope, most all sole parent custody judgments are warranted and earned.
By Essential Reductions….. on 07.26.08 8:31
You lie, that`s not what the last government report said.
Further more the courts have a fiduciary duty to rule in the best interests of the child and respect the rights of the child as outlined to the UN by our federal government.
Sole custody is over 90% so what your saying is only 1 out of ten non-custodial parents are fit to be parents after divorce. Just trying to promote a lie that creates the destruction of a whole generation of children means you must be part of the justice industry.
I`ll take you to task on that any day of the week.
Rope,
you’ve put my problem with you in a nutshell: “Coincidentally (or not) this was the same year the government gave the thumbs down to childrens rights …” To you it is not coincidental, to me it is because I cannot see the connection between children’s rights and a decision not to invest in Canada. Statistics only describe what happened after the event is over; they don’t explain what happened.
If foreign investors are shunning Canada, who is buying up the companies we don’t like to see under foreign control?
“We” should get to the bottom of this, Rope, but I doubt that you and I have the resources to do it properly – although we did have a good go about 15 months ago, if you remember.
If foreign investors are shunning Canada, who is buying up the companies we don’t like to see under foreign control?
By Herb on 07.26.08 9:38 pm
Yes I do remember and you had a better answer then but that was then.
I`ve said more times than enough the only investment is in globally priced resources, not Cdn made goods manufactured by Cdn companies. Everything else which is very little is more speculation than intent unless McQuinty kicks in another $17M to build V-8 engines. There is no government involvement in globally priced commodities as they have little to no control over prices. There has been no investment for the last three years and now it`s a negative outflow of investment money, the numbers are public information, do your homework, you don`t have to believe me just roll through statscan and the business reports.
btw “To you it is not coincidental” I fail to see your point. It is not coincidental as the facts are irrefutable so based on my years of involvement it would naturally lead me to the only conclusion possible. It is the only one possible unless you explain how our economy got to where it is which is almost half a million jobs lost in Ontario since 2002, investors gone and we can`t compete with the over valued Euro.
You lie, that`s not what the last government report said.
Further more the courts have a fiduciary duty to rule in the best interests of the child and respect the rights of the child as outlined to the UN by our federal government.
Sole custody is over 90% so what your saying is only 1 out of ten non-custodial parents are fit to be parents after divorce. Just trying to promote a lie that creates the destruction of a whole generation of children means you must be part of the justice industry.
I`ll take you to task on that any day of the week.
By got rope? on 07.26.08 9:25 pm
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I did not even know that there was a government report, and I am retired, never have worked in the justice system, nor would want to! What I implied is that in most cases I have head about, one or both parents were not fit to be parents in the first place, but then anybody can get a marriage license, and many today do not even bother to do that! Many of the divorces that occur are because these people have never learned to negotiate, reconcile differences, and just follow their bloated egos. In short, society is not going to hell in a hand basket, because some one stole the basket!
You may want to blame it on people not going to church any more, but I don’t blame them when I see all those pedophile priests, thieves and con artists posing as religious icons of rightousness!
We need to teach a class in ethics and morals in our public schools for starters. The best thing would also be to include case studies on what happens when you get caught cheating, lying, stealing, murdering, etc. For some it is too late obviously…….too many to list but Jordan Manners murder comes to mind. How do you think his classmates feel? They will remember that for the rest of their lives! Was that caused by sole custody? Not in my opinion, it was a gun culture promoted by the gang element in our society. We need to evict all gun criminals to an Arctic Island for life. Then the message is clear that it won’t be tolerated. But no we have a candy assed Mayor that wants to tell Americans how they should ban guns in their country. What BS! Next he will want to ban all knives, and cars, but don’t hold the perpetrators responsible!
As one of my former mates in the steel mill used to say “Well screw my mother’s aunty”!
Mornin’, Rope,
is manufacturing investment moving to China, Mexico or wherever because these countries have more justice for children than Canada, or because costs, especially wages, are lower and returns are greater?
One of the “better answers” I had “then” was the corrosive effect of financial pressures on marriages and families. Most people don’t divorce actually or virtually for the hell of it, but to end an intolerable process of acrimony. This is not to suggest that only family finances cause divorce, but that they sure advance the process.
Let us make sure that we do not confuse cause and effect. You maintain that the state of the family is responsible for the lack investment – maybe it’s the other way around.
We need to teach a class in ethics and morals in our public schools for starters.
it was a gun culture promoted by the gang element in our society.
Essential Reductions….. on 07.26.08 11:24 pm
Well that`s great Ess we have a distinct lack of parents and parenting and your solution is to give the responsibility over to teachers. I suspect you also support 2 million universal day care spaces so we can get ride of all the parents and put the children in institutions.
Guns do not create gangs, crime does. The more crime the more gangs, which btw includes the higher the sole custody rate the higher the crime rate.
Besides the 24 appearances I made in family court on behalf of my children I sat through 3 years of other trials. I`ve read 5 years worth of family court decisions and looked at all the statistics and read every study on divorce and the children of divorce so while your personal opinion is noted my opinion is not a personal opinion.
Thanks for your interest in our children and the future of our country.
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Herb on 07.27.08 8:34 am
“Most people don’t divorce actually or virtually for the hell of it”
Actually it seems many do but then my studies are focused many on what happens to the children of divorce as adults can legally act as idiotic as they please but the children need a voice because that`s where the bulk of damage occurs.
“these countries have more justice for children than Canada, or because costs, especially wages, are lower and returns are greater”
Somehow I knew you would remember your last answer which was good but you forgot I reminded you the loss of jobs and investors started years ago and not since developing countries expanded into the global market.
Even today against the backdrop of cheaper wages etc in developing countries the EU will be manufacturing cars for Canada. We can`t even compete with the overpriced Euro and at last look wages etc were not third world rates in the EU but I appreciate your trying to get to the bottom of our problems.
R
You maintain that the state of the family is responsible for the lack investment – maybe it’s the other way around.
By Herb on 07.27.08 8:34 am
Now that I `ve had a cup of coffee I wish you a good Sunday morning Herb.
Your comment requires an extra post because it is a very good question.
You are aware that while Ontario has been shedding jobs since 2002 BC has been booming yet it`s BC that is leading the country in leaps and bounds in most crime categories including the recent report on 11 year olds. To further the evidence BC collects the second highest amount of child support payable while Ontario collects less than half yet Ontario has far fewer youth problems than BC.
There are some differences in investment type between the two provinces but the main difference by far is the sole custody rate and the number of parent denied children which is by far the highest here.
Just on the data alone I`ll stand pat on my assessment but I always appreciate good comments and opinions, it`s important to the children and our country as a whole and possibly to keep it whole.
Robert
Herb
I find few people as interested as you unless the`re part on the organization(s) working to take the children out of the middle.
Investment in this country has always trended with the current trend in the negative. Oil and gas, other big commodities produces, yes they are a fairly safe investment. Because it is the primary source of income that is the last levy holding back a flood of economic despair investors don`t have to worry about gangs taking over the streets and shooting up the country, the Cdn military will be there to protect the governments last breath of life.
In other areas, not so much so not so much investment for the reason you keep asking for which btw was my answer originally.
When it comes to our future our children are it. We know it, investors know it and yet what is it we`re doing. Sole custody is unconstitutional and creating a troubled generation already saddled by challenges bigger than anything we have had to face. The highest historical level of parent denied children is creating the most insatiability this country has faced since WW2 and that simply can`t be denied. The police, even though we currently have the highest per capita than any time in the past, is losing the battle. Vancouver mischief is up 38% which is the generation I“m most concerned with. Over the next 5 years the children from the highest parent denied era in our history will be flooding our streets. The current situation was predicted when government ignored the 1998 report `For the Sake` by many of us and investors noted it as well and predicted the next 5.
We know what`s coming over the next 5 years so honestly Herb, even if we had a completive industry using a cheat like a weak dollar like we had when investors started bolting, investors won`t return. Not until the changes required are made which btw economy conditions are well under way to making will investment return.
Economic conditions will make the changes required because without justice there will be no investment.
Just to help me understand if you`re more concerned about putting the Liberals back in office or truly interested in our country, in your opinion do you think government corruption is good for the country?
The position of government is clear, the answer from international investors is loud and clear, my position is clear so lets clear the air, who else has a position,,,, anybody,,,, nobody,,,?
Rope,
both of us are groping for the truth and answers to real problems.
Now, Vancouver may be booming with jobs, but it also is booming with a housing crisis. If it takes 50% or more of income to keep a roof over your head, that would put pressure on families that I would think to be insuperable, and might explain some of the Vancouver child support and crime rates.
I really don’t want to see this “control experiment” through, but Toronto/the GTA might be rivalling Vancouver’s stats in a few years, with job losses making its own housing-affordability crisis even worse.
By the way, the EU may have higher labour costs, but it also has the advantages of European engineering (pun intended) and greater productivity. That, too, could be explored for lessons for us.
the EU may have higher labour costs, but it also has the advantages of European engineering (pun intended) and greater productivity.
By Herb on 07.27.08 11:46 am
That is the point Herb so I`m glad you mentioned it. Better engineering through investment creates productivity gains. The lack of investment has cost us years of productivity gains, it needs to be addressed by government or at least by the politicians.
On the Vancouver housing having an influence on social conditions you have a plausible point. However not many single parents have jumped into the housing market out here. The ones that have had daddy name on the mortgage.
Cost of living is comparable here to Ontario while we collect a much larger proposition of child support owed. It would appear the data supports a better lifestyle or at least comparable to Ontario and not stressed to levels that promote increased crime.
Perhaps there is some data that supports your proposition but I haven`t seen it.
Toronto/the GTA might be rivalling Vancouver’s stats in a few years, with job losses making its own housing-affordability crisis even worse.
By Herb on 07.27.08 11:46 am
I did answer this in the last post but it could us an expansion. BC has been booming while Ontario has relied on government hiring just to appear reasonably healthy.
You can`t say our problem is the higher economic activity out here then say Ontario will catch up as conditions worsen.
I know it wasn`t an intentional spin on your part but the oxymoron signature did need pointing out. In case I didn`t point it out economic conditions pay a very small part if any as the amount of child support collected is much higher here. This of course flys in the face of the federal governments declaration that the most important thing to a child is child support. There is not one scrap of evidence to support that conclusion. As a matter of fact, and besides all the data every study shows the most important thing to a child is not losing a parent, the increased youth problems combined with the second highest amount collected speaks volumes.
I do however appreciate any attempts to find flaw in the conclusions I`ve made.
Rope,
the problem I raise is not higher economic activity, but housing affordability. If your housing costs – the major part of your cost of iving – run away from your earnings, it doesn’t matter how much you earn; you can’t make ends meet.
Toronto may have lower housing costs, but those can run away too if they accelerate or if earnings decline. What I would expect in either situation is greater stress on the family, greater acrimony, and more divorce with the consequent problems for children – and parents. The vicious circle is the same – I’m not contradicting myself.
What I would expect in either situation is greater stress on the family, greater acrimony, and more divorce with the consequent problems for children – and parents. The vicious circle is the same – I’m not contradicting myself.
By Herb on 07.27.08 2:30 pm
I understand you statement however I stand by what I said, the economic conditions in Vancouver historically lead to less crime than during downturns. The segment of the population in Vancouver most involved with youth problems in fact have an economic advantage over Ontario as we collect far more child support. Sry Herb but all the evidence points to traumatized children suffering from the denial of a parent on a much higher scale than Ontario. It`s not complicated and is born out by the current statistics decades of studies based on current statistics of the time. It is a fact supported by the facts.
Parent denied children is the problem notwithstanding the increased economic benefits of BC children.