I’m sure somebody will correct me if I screw this up, but I think it was Dief who said new MPs spend their early days wandering around Parliament wondering how they ever got there. And soon after they wonder how everyone else got there.
One guy I wonder about is Dean Del Mastro, the Conservative MP for Peterborough. Not just because he sits on the finance committee with me and is the most viciously partisan person in the room. Not just because his mom owns a cell tower back home that the locals hate and Dean defends even though he’s in a conflict of interest. Not just because he abuses the floor of the House of Commons to ridicule anyone he disagrees with. Not even because he drives a 1970-something boat all the way to the Hill making him the poster boy for climate change. But mostly because he is in Ottawa to serve his party and himself first, his voters and his country second. MPs like that – and Dean has lots of company in the benches around him – are just what The Chief had in mind.
I was reminded of this again in the last few hours when someone sent me Dean’s latest ten percenter. And let us remember why MPs are allowed to flood their ridings with this information which the taxpayers of Canada print, and Canada Post delivers gratis: To inform and educate constituents of federal issues, or alert them to events or to gain comments and feedback. The House of Commons spends an estimated $10 million a year (the actual number’s a secret, I’m told) churning out this stuff, which can also be used to paper ridings that other people represent.
In any case, Dean has sent this document to inform the people of Peterborough about the Liberal Green Shift plan, which is an environmental and economic initiative.
“Canadians will get one chance to prevent a permanent new carbon tax on gas, electricity and everything else they buy,” he says. “Canadians will pay more for everything, permanently. Those who drive to work or school, those who heat their homes with electricity, oil or natural gas, those who fly or drive on family vacations, those who buy groceries and other products from Canadian stores, all will pay dearly for Mr. Dion’s tax grab.”
Dean does not admit that gas is already taxed, and won’t be taxed any more by the Libs. He fails to tell his voters the Dion plan would reduce their income taxes, sweeten family benefits and increase money for seniors. Of course, the words “environment,” “climate change” or “future” never appear in his circular. He does not contrast this with the Conservative green plan. And he seeks to have people believe, mistakenly, that the carbon tax is a new kind of GST that consumers themselves will have to pay extra “on groceries and other products from Canadian stores.”
He doesn’t mention corporate or small business tax reductions, or any of the ten aspects of the Green Shift that I listed in my last posting. He says nothing of air quality, greenhouses gases, the manufacturing devastation which has impacted Peterborough so hard or the hit local tourism has taken as family financial stress rises and visitors stay home. Mr. Del Mastro wants the people of his riding only to believe this is a new, extra, additional, permanent tax on everything, with no discernible reason or justification. Why? Because he wants to stay an MP, because he likes being important, and because this is his best shot at beating back a strong Lib candidate who’s breathing down his shorts. Like I said, party and position first, the people second.
By the way, the boat-driving, five-mile-a-gallon, car lot-owning MP has also not told the Peterborough crowd that his party’s climate change plan will increase all energy prices, but give no income tax cuts to offset them. I’m betting he hopes that one stays in the bag until after the next election.
Eh, Dief?
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Is Dean Del Maestro, both a used car salesman and a politician, too? Is there any polling statistics on what such an animal’s public trust worthiness rating comes in at? I think I will go build me another “cup of coffee”! 2 1/2 oz. of Bicardi’s White in my Timmys, nothing like being a wide awake drunk!
Any chance of a private members bill to lay out some ground rules for 10%ers? Like…I dunno…informational, non-partisan, only in your own riding, and max one per month. Something like that. Otherwise, I’m sure there’s something better you guys could be doing with my taxes.
Garth,
As I was reading your post, I couldn’t help but come up with an idea that we should take a straw poll. I was going to do this first, but after mulling it over, and considering my location, it might not work for me here. But here’s the idea anyway..
If any readers here know your neighbours well enough to send them an email…. why not copy and paste Garth’s above blurb into an email, with the preceding questions:
“Hi neighbour,
I have a wee favour to ask. If you have a second, can you read the following. Also, did you receive one of the flyer’s mentioned below in your mailbox from our MP, and if so, did you read it? With a quick yes or no could you email me back if you think the flyer is of fair information value? And if I may ask a second question, does it seem like election material or a government update? I don’t need more than just the yes or no type answer, this is very informal. I’ll tally any responses and they’ll be submitted totally anonymously to an informal online poll to see if the flyers are favourable treatment of government dollars.” etc.
_ _ _
Personally, I’m not sure if I have the guts to email my neighbour, but we’ll see.
Just do what we do — check anyone but Harper, then send it back with comments.
On the bright side, at least Del Mastro put Dion’s name first. If a number of people do decide to return the faux ballot, he should gain from the placement (if nothing else).
Dean does not admit that gas is already taxed, and won’t be taxed any more by the Libs. – Garth
Now that you bring up this topic of the 10¢ per litre federal excise tax on gasoline, which Dion wants to essentially rename “Federal Carbon Tax” … this represents a carbon tax rate of $42 per tonne of GHGs. Dion says in the Green Shift that ” there will be no increase in the tax on gas over the mandate of a new Liberal government”.
So, assuming there is a new Liberal government elected this year or early next year, the carbon tax on gasoline will stay at $42 per tonne for four years. Isn’t this unfair considering that the carbon tax on other products starts at $10 per tonne ???
To be completely fair, a new Dion Liberal government should lower the current 10¢ excise tax on gasoline to 2.5¢ per litre to match the $10 per tonne carbon tax and then escalate it according to the Green Shift schedule over four years.
Garth … can you propose to Dion that the Green Shift Carbon Tax should be more fairly applied to gasoline, rather than maintaining it at $42 per tonne when the highest proposed carbon tax level is $40 per tonne in the fourth year of the Green Shift plan??
Thanks …..
so the new liberal campaign strategy is to bad mouth boating. That will go over really well in ontario. you already laughed about transfering money out of alberta. keep up the good work Garth, im sure you will be in a few Conservative campaign ads this fall.
Rod
“Will You Be TRICKED Into Paying Dion’s Tax On Everything?” — Does ‘everything’ include food and any other basic necessities, which are not taxed anyway?
“Do Not Be Fooled By It!” — The IT lie
“. . . Prices of Consumer Goods and Food Would Rise” — Consumer goods, food prices, energy costs, oil and inflation have already gone through the roof, so how much higher will CRAP let them go up?
Remember Trudeau’s wage and price controls in the early ’70s? Could be deja vu all over again.
The middle class — US — is already paying for carney’s, harpo’s and dimdumb’s masquerading as politicians; they can barely manage a cup of coffee between them, while taking us to the cleaners.
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Remember the tsunami on Boxing Day a few years back? Same place, but a different tsunami this time.
http://tinyurl.com/5j3c3x
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Same as the UK and US; same right-wing agenda, which Canada will fall under very shortly.
In parts of the world, is this the rise of The Fourth Reich?
http://tinyurl.com/6auuff
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Is flimflam dimdumb saying this for real, or . . .
“There is no cause to worry. The high tide of prosperity will continue.” — Andrew W. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury. — September 1929.
I guess not, ‘coz he wasn’t around then!
http://tinyurl.com/6nrgw2
Garth,
The Conservatives are out of step with the world movement on the environment front. This MP, Dean Del Mastro, is but an other example of that exemplifies that. Actually, I’ve seen Del Mastro debate and he is not very convincing.
GM is teaming up with North American utility companies to set up “electric charging stations” for their new line of battery powered cars. Toyota also has a line of cars that they want to produce and sell in the USA. G8 nations, minus Canada and the USA, are pushing for solid GHG emission reduction targets, Canadian provinces and US states are coming up with their own GHG reduction strategies; Dion’s green shift has set off a nationwide debate on the subject…..Sorry what is Harper’s plan? Attack Dion’s green shift, call it the new NEP, and if elected, do nothing and hope for the best?
Daryn
Del Mastro should be worried about his cushy tushy. The Con brand is muck in ON thanks to the wonderful Flatulating Flaherty. Wonder if he’s going to cut and run??
IIf you ever get tired of laughing at posts by Harry S. checkout Bird and Fortune skits on youtube.com. There is an excellent one on subprime. Warning some of it may not be pc. British political satire, ain’t nothin’ else like it.
“the most viciously partisan person in the room.”
“Because he wants to stay an MP, because he likes being important”
Pot meets kettle.
Send them back. I’ve begun collecting the ones my neighbours throw in the paper recycling and mailing those back too
Also, my friends, family and some acquaintances are collecting them, writing any comments they wish on them and dropping them in the mailbox. No personal data naturally.
I’ve lost count how many I have personally received but so far I have mailed back about 300 to the various Harper MPs who blanket my riding from far-flung ridings.
The Harper Party are using taxpayer funds for their hillbilly version of data mining.
Just think, after the election Dean del Maestro can take Wajid Khan and go back to selling gas guzzlers!
My mailbox has been tag teamed by James Lunney, Art Hangar and Stephen Harper this spring. One recent missive pictures 3 generations of women with the headline “We all need a little help sometimes” and goes on to suggest that Stephen Harper has helped by cutting the GST to 5%, delivering a transit pass tax credit and increasing the guaranteed income supplement. It’s summed up with the line “Cutting the GST helps all Canadian families” Yet we know the GST is a consumptive tax and we’re not benefiting if we’re not spending. Quite frankly I don’t think Canadians are in a spending mood anyway.
And why suggest the increased guaranteed income supplement is for the benefit of women. I guess in Harper’s world we should all be at home tending kittens.
Another flyer states “we will protect them” bragging about the “cutting edge equipment” for the military. ..a bit of a hard landing here in the Comox Valley where the commitment to replace the aging buffalo aircraft has been shelved until 2015. These 10%’s are insulting, a waste of paper and a waste taxpayer dollars. They are written with the expectation that the Canadian public has the intelligence of a gnat.
And of course, you and Mr. McCullum are not partisan at all on the Finance committee, eh?
Heck, you have been nothing but partisan on this very blog. I would even say beyond partisan, – it’s personally attacking MPs.
But, hey we have come to expect nothing less.
Dean Del Mastro is a dinosaur just like his car.
He lives in the dark ages as does his leader.
This must end.
Dr Mike Popovich–former life-long Conservative.
Garth are you telling Canadians that this Used Car Salesman working as a MP did not mention any of the following in his taxpayer funded junk mail?
• Broad-based income tax cuts to increase cash flow and help consumer spending in troubled times.
• Substantial direct financial help for families to offset higher energy costs.
• Deep tax incentives to get businesses investing in green technologies and innovation.
• Lower corporate taxes, making the country far more competitive for global investment, and help create jobs.
• A cut in small business taxes, because the greatest numbers of new jobs come from start-ups and small-scale expansions.
• Tax write-offs in the form of capital cost allowances letting companies afford green tech investments
• Federal money to achieve the goal of having 10% of Canada’s energy come from renewable sources
• A big new fund to stimulate green manufacturing ventures.
• Money for homeowners to retrofit their houses; inducements to buy hybrid cars and energy-saving appliances
• Incentives for citizens to generate their own power, not just to get off the grid but to feed it.
Propoganda is all that garbage is. If I were a conservative voter and they sent me that trash, it would do nothing more than push me to vote for another party.
Then again, no one ever went broke from underestimating the intelligence of the average person. (The con trolls may have to take a minute to think about that).
Dean’s problem is that he has the most stunned and inexperienced people around him.
Dean doesn’t know about what he doesn’t know.
It’s just that simple.
Here Grey Bruce we just recived the same flyer this time with the rotund Larry Millers mug on the thing. Same Dion bashing, no alternative, useless, taxpayer funded peice of crap, but this one “from” another Con MP. Do they realy beleive the electorate are that gullable?
Right track on taxes?
How about the Wrong track on the Del Mastro Peterborough Railway express?
How do these idiots get past the candidate screening process?
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=3c2986be-e442-4c1e-92c7-f6ad8c6b44ff
We don’t have to worry about what is going on in the U.S. according to Mr. Flaherty….Jim has his finger on the pulse of the economy including pensions for the Armed Forces, R.C.M.P and public servants???
And of course, you and Mr. McCullum are not partisan at all on the Finance committee, eh?
Heck, you have been nothing but partisan on this very blog. I would even say beyond partisan, – it’s personally attacking MPs.
But, hey we have come to expect nothing less.
By Catherine on 07.24.08 4:47 am
…she’s come out of never-never land again.
Catherine – do you spend all your time thinking of things to be negative? Do you get paid for it?
I live in the next riding to Del Mastro and I’ve watched him and my MP (who’s having a very long vacation and is not here to deal with issues) do interviews on our local cabel station – talk about pathetic. I don’t think either of them have a vocabulary of their own…just approved talking points. It’s really sad to watch try to look informed and important…sigh….
Too Little, Too late….
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=e11ccae0-ba20-4732-88d3-1e22cbbeacdb
Propoganda is all that garbage is. If I were a conservative voter and they sent me that trash, it would do nothing more than push me to vote for another party.
Then again, no one ever went broke from underestimating the intelligence of the average person. (The con trolls may have to take a minute to think about that).
By Joe T on 07.24.08 7:25 am
I am a voter, and a taxpayer, and my opinion is ban all 10% ers. If my MP wants to contact me, he can e-mail me, he has my e-mail address. Why should we taxpayers foot the bill for campaign propaganda?
Garth:
You are one nasty corrupt Liberal prick!
Boo Hoo crybaby, get over yourself!
Steve
Something absolutley dramatic must occur if the Liberals and Mr Dion think they will get elected with the Green Shift program.
It just isn’t flying. The best I have read about if from any source is lukewarm at best. Overwhelmingly it is getting thumbs down – from across the country.
The timing could not have been worse with the sudden rise in gas and oil prices.
Del Mastro threw out the ususal spin and Turner attacked him about as hard as one could attack another person. Basically Garth, you call the guy nothing but a self interested scum bag. This really stifles the debate and points again to your biggest fault and why you are constantly in hot water and at odds with people. You are a Street Fighter politician whose method of settling issues is with barbs, right hooks and bare knuckles accusations, put downs and inflammatory language.
As I have said on several occasions – this partisan style of whack him slap him politics continues to erode faith and confidence in our politicians.
Mortgage crisis maybe looming for Canada!!!
http://www.financialpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=671994
This crap will be the norm for the CPC until the sphincter in charge is ousted. Since he has sprayed RoundUp all over the grassroots let’s encourage the scary, religious right to reform the Reform Party. The Harpo party should loose a good chunk of its support and Canada can start repairing its tarnished reputation.
Good to know that we trail China in the percentage of our energy generated from renewable sources. Thanks Steve-O you moron.
We need Dion and we need him now.
KPN,
This article was referring to the Liberal’s Green Shift plan if the Liberal’s win the next election. Your comments refer to the present Conservative laws. These two comments make for a great comparison of the parties.
DoryD – have you actually checked the Fed. site. AFAIK, they haven’t even reimbursed people who last year bought those ‘cars that qualified for a rebate.
By kpn on 07.23.08 6:59 pm
Mr. Dion was touring the country promoting the Green Shift.
The plan encourages energy efficiency through greenhouse gas emission taxes. Canadians can access energy reduction programs that promise tax breaks. There are incentives built into the plan for industry and small business.
By DoryD on 07.23.08 4:49 pm
Garth, I hope you permit this repost
’cause the conservatives just are not getting this one!
• Broad-based income tax cuts to increase cash flow and help consumer spending in troubled times.
conservative
• Substantial direct financial help for families to offset higher energy costs.
liberal
• Deep tax incentives to get businesses investing in green technologies and innovation.
conservative
• Lower corporate taxes, making the country far more competitive for global investment, and help create jobs.
conservative
• A cut in small business taxes, because the greatest numbers of new jobs come from start-ups and small-scale expansions.
conservative
• Tax write-offs in the form of capital cost allowances letting companies afford green tech investments
conservative
• Federal money to achieve the goal of having 10% of Canada’s energy come from renewable sources
liberal
• A big new fund to stimulate green manufacturing ventures.
liberal
• Money for homeowners to retrofit their houses; inducements to buy hybrid cars and energy-saving appliances
liberal
• Incentives for citizens to generate their own power, not just to get off the grid but to feed it.
liberal
Garth, I hope you don’t mind me categorizing your excellent ideas, by marking them liberal or conservative.
This is what makes you unique.
You will suggest the best ideas regardless if they are left, right, or centre to bring about the best for all of us.
You are just like the rest of us. I couldn’t care where the idea comes from as long as its right for now and can be properly implemented for everyone with measureable positive outcomes.
You are a PC through and through! Hooray!
Just what we need for right now!
By AToryNoMore on 07.22.08 10:52 pm
Garth:
You are one nasty corrupt Liberal prick!
Boo Hoo crybaby, get over yourself!
Steve
By Steve on 07.24.08 9:26 am
GARTH, TURF THIS ONE ALONG WITH THE HARRY ASS.
Congrats people. You have fulfilled Harry’s greatest wish…Attention and recognition.
Anyone else notice how many CONservatives are overweight? Perhaps they should go share their wealth and food with the Homeless? Naw, that would make sense.
Have a nice day.
Dino is the posture boy for what an MP should not be, do or say. Don’t think he would have been a Conservative MP under The Chief or even made Chretien’s Rat Pack, but he seems to be just what Harper needs and wants in Parliament.
And then we have Steve: “You are one nasty corrupt Liberal prick!” More conventional wisdom from a member of our governing party. Just what this country needs!
ERASE THE DISGRACE – ÉCRASEZ L’INFÂMIE!
By the way, the boat-driving, five-mile-a-gallon, car lot-owning MP has also not told the Peterborough crowd that his party’s climate change plan will increase all energy prices, but give no income tax cuts to offset them. I’m betting he hopes that one stays in the bag until after the next election. – Garth.
The issue is one of how voters vote. Do they vote on logic, thinking through the issues and coming to a rational conclusion, or do they vote on emotion using only the perception given them by one liners and sound bites?
Unfortunately, for many its the latter. And it is to those that Del Maestro is only telling half the story. He’s spinning it as the downside without throuwing in the upside, or even his own parties agenda, banking on the fact that people’s emotions about prices increasing (and they will because of the Green tax being downloaded to consumers) will make them say no!
For these people, logic and debate don’t apply. Its all emotion.
So if you tell these people, we’re going to cut your taxes, their emotions may say yes!
Unfortunately for now, you’re letting the Con spin take the limelight. You need to take th gloves off and expose the for the liars they are.
As my father-in-law would phrase it, Del Maestro et al are liars by ommission.
By rod on 07.24.08 1:08 am
I understood what Garth said about “boat-driving” to be street slang for gas-guzzling automobile. My Dad always referred to a vehicle like that as being a “hunk of Detroit”, also slang. Garth can correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure he wasn’t slagging boating or boaters.
I was referring to Mr. Del Mastro’s Buick land yacht. — Garth
Globe editorial
Give them their due
From Thursday’s Globe and Mail
July 24, 2008 at 7:40 AM EDT
When Health Canada finally releases a major report on the health impacts of climate change, it will do so by posting it on the ministry website. It’s an approach that was used once before on another climate change study. Then, as now, it undermined the credibility of the federal government’s commitment to addressing global warming.
Human Health in a Changing Climate: A Canadian Assessment of Vulnerabilities and Adaptive Capacity was scheduled to be released in the spring. Health Minister Tony Clement’s press secretary has said Health Canada is preparing the 500-page report for release. But those involved with the report say it has been ready for months. And on July 3, they were reportedly told it would not receive a formal launch but a “low profile,” simply being posted online.
It is not clear how “low profile” Health Canada will go. In March, the Ministry of Natural Resources posted an electronic version of a report addressing the impacts of climate change on its website after 5 p.m. on a Friday. The “launch” occurred without even a press release, despite the government having paid a public relations firm $50,000 to plan national and regional events and to prepare authors for media interviews.
That report, From Impacts to Adaptation, forecast future effects of climate change based on observed changes. Among them were the national average temperature rising at double the global rate, a dramatic trend of lower water levels in the upper Great Lakes, a measured local sea level rise of 32 centimetres in Charlottetown over the 20th century, and a decrease in Arctic snow cover of 20 days since 1950. The report’s observations and projections were briefly noted in the media, but the focus quickly shifted to how the government released the report rather than its contents.
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Health report to get ‘low-profile’ release
The newer report focusing on risks to human health will address temperature-related illnesses, vector and rodent-borne diseases, effects of water and food contamination, air pollution health effects, extreme weather events and social and economic changes. That this report, too, will be released stealthily raises serious questions about the government’s willingness to inform the public about climate change and to take timely measures to limit the harms it can cause.
Rather than attempting to keep it under the radar, the government should give it the fanfare due to a major study intended to help shape public health planning and policy development.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080724.weclimate24/BNStory/specialComment/home
Another $50 for ditto. Released on a Friday. Umm
10 %
Last Week, Deepak Obhrai;” Dion’s Tax on Everything”
This Week. Jeff Watson, ” Above the Law”
(Have no idea who this MP is)
Delivered to a long time Liberal riding in Ontatio.
Have been receiving these on a regular basis, always returned with suitable inserts.
“… method of settling issues is with barbs, right hooks and bare knuckles accusations, put downs and inflammatory language.”
Ken, can’t you see that this describes your neo-Republican way of politics to a “T”? You are confusing Garth with Harper, Hill, Baird, Del Maestro, Poilievre and anyone else permitted to speak for the Government in public, not to forget your blogging “Tories”.
We have not had this in Canadian politics before, don’t need it now, and certainly don’t want it in future. Therefore,
ERASE THE DISGRACE – ÉCRASEZ L’INFÂMIE!
“This Aug 20 thing, will we…?” ~ Greg W.
You can also be there in person. — Garth
Garth,
Okay I’ll bite. If we could all be there, that sounds like a town hall meeting such as the one in Edmonton, although I think that was only open to students. What’s up with August 20th? I’m assuming whatever it is, it will be recorded for all to view?
Congrats people. You have fulfilled Harry’s greatest wish…Attention and recognition.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.24.08 10:21 am
Your right Bill.
BUT, I recognized the Ass for his inability to participate in a mature conversation with Canadians, and he does get my attention much like the child in the back seat of a car who continuously asks “are we there yet?”.
What the Rethuglicans really do to continue to screw the people.
Dems, Republicans spar over oil speculation bill
The Senate voted Wednesday to move forward on a bill meant to crack down on oil speculators.
But Republicans vowed to block the Senate from taking up any other measure until the Democratic leadership agrees to vote on other energy-related issues.
Republicans want to offer up to 28 amendments to the bill on a wide range of energy topics, including increasing domestic oil production.
The Democrats want to limit them to two amendments.
Translated that means the rethuglicans will vivsection out all meaningful regulations to allow their Wall Street friends to keep right on going as usual.
You can bet Harper will be hoping and cheering for his Rethuglican friends who have already paid him off to preserve their greedy ways.
As I have said on several occasions – this partisan style of whack him slap him politics continues to erode faith and confidence in our politicians.
By Ken on 07.24.08 9:29 am
lol and you can keep on saying it. It`s obvious Cdns are not buying into the green tax shift as how Garth described it, saving the environment and the economy.
No estimate on GHG reductions, so much for saving the environment. No estimate on administration which I calculate at 30%, so much for revenue neutral and saving the economy.
The polls reflect how people are reacting to the same old bash the opposition into losing routine as the only increase is the `none of the above crowd`.
As explained by Garth the whole point of the shift is to make the essential dirty energy we use now so expensive Cdns will be forced to pay the high cost of going green.
Most Cdns already know the cost of going green can`t be put on the backs of an already broke consumer, especially as the plan will not even make a dent in global GHG.
It is far too obvious to Cdns that the this tax shift has one purpose only, to bash the Cons with.
Sad really but Cdns are getting tired of voting someone out rather than voting someone in which is why I`ve placed a bet on none of the above winning the next election by a landslide.
Seems the Liberals would be better off attacking the Cons over their failure to restore international investor confidence or the lack of the root cause of crime in the Con platform or the continuing increase in raw log exports from BC or the mismanagement of the west coast fisheries or not addressing the $100b short fall in municipality infrastructure or the increase in mischief by the record number of parent denied children that has lead to 11 year olds dating and engaging in sex, but what do we get, a totally unworkable tax shift falsely called `green`.
Bash the opposition into losing, 80 points not to vote Tory and not one single point to vote Liberal.
If it looks and smells like a load of used hay, you`re not imagining it.
none of the above
yes we can
Ontario to get $7.8-billion for infrastructure
Ottawa to announce spending today as province signs framework agreement; subway extension not included
KAREN HOWLETT AND DANIEL LEBLANC
Globe and Mail – July 24, 2008
TORONTO, OTTAWA — The federal government will announce today that it is inking a deal with Ontario to spend $7.8-billion in the province on public transit, roads and bridges as part of its plan to maintain and expand the country’s infrastructure systems, sources say.
The Ontario government will sign an agreement under Ottawa’s infrastructure plan, called Building Canada, which will see the Harper government spend $33-billion over seven years on infrastructure projects across the country.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080724.winfra24/BNStory/National/home
I wonder how many votes this Dean fellow won by, perhaps he has more to worry about than the following or is the following cause for his real concerns?
• Broad-based income tax cuts to increase cash flow and help consumer spending in troubled times.
• Substantial direct financial help for families to offset higher energy costs.
• Deep tax incentives to get businesses investing in green technologies and innovation.
• Lower corporate taxes, making the country far more competitive for global investment, and help create jobs.
• A cut in small business taxes, because the greatest numbers of new jobs come from start-ups and small-scale expansions.
• Tax write-offs in the form of capital cost allowances letting companies afford green tech investments
• Federal money to achieve the goal of having 10% of Canada’s energy come from renewable sources
• A big new fund to stimulate green manufacturing ventures.
• Money for homeowners to retrofit their houses; inducements to buy hybrid cars and energy-saving appliances
• Incentives for citizens to generate their own power, not just to get off the grid but to feed it.
Heck, you have been nothing but partisan on this very blog. I would even say beyond partisan, – it’s personally attacking MPs.
But, hey we have come to expect nothing less.
By Catherine on 07.24.08 4:47 am
If anyone knows about being “partisian” and “personally attacking MPs”, it’s you Catherine.
And of course you total ignore the point that the Cons are using taxpayer money to (in effect) advertise for an election, instead of providing taxpayers BALANCED information about things that could affect them.
But like you said “hey we have come to expect nothing less.” from you Catherine.
Flaherty is now a huge hero in Ontario … while Dion is somewhere peddling his Carbon Tax and 10 Planks on August 20th.
Conservative popularity will undoubtedly skyrocket in Ontario after this blockbuster announcement.
Meanwhile Dion is the forgotten man ..!!!
Just checked my thoughts out, it appears the Fat Cat Salesman MP from Peterborough won his seat by about 2500 votes and the previous candidate won by over 7500. Now we know why this cloned clown is running on anything but the facts or the truth. nuff said
“… method of settling issues is with barbs, right hooks and bare knuckles accusations, put downs and inflammatory language.”
Ken, can’t you see that this describes your neo-Republican way of politics to a “T”? You are confusing Garth with Harper, Hill, Baird, Del Maestro, Poilievre and anyone else permitted to speak for the Government in public, not to forget your blogging “Tories”.
We have not had this in Canadian politics before, don’t need it now, and certainly don’t want it in future. Therefore,
ERASE THE DISGRACE – ÉCRASEZ L’INFÂMIE!
By Herb on 07.24.08 10:51 am
Herb,
You assume incorrectly. I am neither a supporter of Republicans or Conservatives. I like Barak Obama.I agree with some of their policies but I also agree with some of the NDP positions and the Liberals for that matter. I have no party affiliation.
As for Garth Turner – no quite frankly I do not see him as different than the partisan politicians. I absolutely think he spins a story as well as anyone. I think he is part of the problem and not the solution. How could you read of his attack on Del Mastro and think anything different? If Turner had kept to the facts and not turned it into a personal attack on the man’s character – his article could have been effective.
I said he was viciously partisan, and it seems his words speak for themselves. Other than that, I think he’s just a guy in the wrong job. — Garth
Lets see, At the bottom of the list of people we trust are Used car salesmen and polititions well below runners up lawyers. Add in aragence and Dean has three strikes against him.
An interesting topic on another blog yesterday was what can the cons. fight the next election on? Think about it and long story short it will likely be ad-scam, cut the gst and get tough on crime. Ooops Michigen and other states who spend over 10% of their budgets on jails are releasing thousands of prisiners and giving up the war on crime as a falure.
The big wild card is Layton who is finishing a wilderness canoe trip in a remote area of the Yukon right in the middle of thousands o hectares of spruce beetle infested forest we call our forest fire waiting to happen. If he comes back firing on all cylinders on the environment Harpo won’t get a word in edgewise about any other subject.
Sucks to be a conservative these days.
Further to Charles’ great link:
http://tinyurl.com/5bwywp?
CHARLES OXLEY 07.23.08 1:25AM?
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Try out some more “connecting the dots”
“Wall Street’s laughing all the way to the bank”
The credit crisis really puts the free in free market. It’s just not what you think.. “Free, in this case, means a free ride for a select group of people…” and some very interesting dots indeed:
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080723.wrvoxx0723/BNStory/robColumnsBlogs/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail
Ah.. so THAT’S how they figure out their bonuses!!
Mr. Garth TurnerMP, FYI and others
New 3min52sec video
Professional Perspectives
Dr. VyVyon Howard
Toxicologist-Pathologist
President, International Society of Doctors for the Environment
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
Find out the science facts for your self in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Aug 7-11, 2008
The ISFR & FAN Conferences on Fluoride
DATE: August 7-11, 2008
LOCATION: University of Toronto, Canada
http://www.fluoridealert.org/conference2008/
Does your local regional health professionals and regional councilors know about the conference?
They are the ones that have the power to stop adding this toxic fluoride to our drinking water NOW!
Let them know, and tell them what you want them to do NOW!!!
You can find more good science info. On the effects of fluoride on the Human Body at,
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
This is a great over view video,
An Interview with Christopher Bryson -
Author of book, ‘THE FLUORIDE DECEPTION’.
Produced by Fluoride Action Network; 29 minutes; September 2004 — Updated April 2006.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/bryson.htm
(If you only have 5 min or so, to watch interview, watch from
2min to 3min 5sec mark and
the 23min to 28min mark.)
Don’t we want smart people who can help us all make this a better world for everyone to live in, including you and your family?
Are ‘you’ MASS MEDIA press people going to do some good coverage of this Mississauga Fluoride conference in Aug 7-11
To help get the good science facts out to the masses????
LOL, I heard about those from a whole wing of my family who live in P. They’re not particularly political and even they think he’s way over the top! And they keep wondering why is he so last-century. The Del Maestro family is considered suspect-to-the-core by the seniors in P as well!
Exports to decline in 2009…
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080724.wexports0724/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview
Canadians not optimistic on Economy!!!
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=004b24e9-cf17-499e-8745-709b733959a1
Oops I’ll try again:
http://tinyurl.com/5bwywp
*mangled a link to “Conservative’s worst nightmare: The law of unintended consequences” while tying it to a story about Wall Street:
http://tinyurl.com/6z68nd
Garth,
Great post!
Ah yes, the Franking Fiasco which lead me to your blog last winter. I have saved all of my 10% ers and am waiting patiently for the next election. Then, I will attend the all Candidates meeting and ask a simple question.
“Do you support using M.P. franking privileges to bombard householders with partisan advertising at taxpayer’s expense?”
I can’t wait to hear Conservative candidate John Weston’s response. If he denies the facts I will present him with my collection.
On Dean, well perhaps his constituents should look at his 2006 election campaign expenses. Interesting reading, while I stress, Mr. Del Mastro is NOT being investigated by Elections Canada – I’d be interested in hearing his explanation if he was my M.P.
Apparently, in Peterborough, it costs a fortune to conduct research and surveys.
I draw your attention to line item 40 dated May 11, 2006 for $15,000.00 from the Conservative Fund of Canada. It was expensed under the Surveys and Research category.
Can we see a copy of the invoice please?
Ken,
having seen and heard Del Maestro on TV perform in the Commons, Committee and in interviews, I agree with Garth. If you truly are non-partisan – which I doubt going by past comments of yours – so will you.
Having seen what I saw, I’ll stand by what I said.
Dion touts tariffs for ‘free-riders’
Liberal Leader proposes action against climate-change villains while hinting at a fall vote
The Globe and Mail – July 24, 2008
OTTAWA — Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion said yesterday he would impose tariffs on imports from countries that Canada deems are not doing enough in the battle against global warming.
But a leading trade expert said the plan would run afoul of NAFTA and the World Trade Organization and would infuriate Canada’s major trading partners.
While Mr. Dion’s office asserted new tariffs could comply with Canada’s existing trade laws, it said key details, such as which countries would be targeted, would not be decided until the Liberals are back in government.
The Liberal Leader also hinted that he is prepared to take his carbon tax and other environmental policies to voters this fall.
More at:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080724.DION24/TPStory/TPNational/Politics/
I said he was viciously partisan, and it seems his words speak for themselves. Other than that, I think he’s just a guy in the wrong job. — Garth
All the add on comments your wrote about Del Mastro – his boat – his mother’s cell tower – his old profession as a car salesman were for what purpose and intent??
Plus you apparently know the guys motive – he serves only the Conservative party and himself and not the people who he represents! Others in the blog have chipped in with more defaming stories about the guy. The gossip fire ignites!
What is your point in writing this article??? To say the Conservatives are improperly using the 10 cent flyers to promote their partisan propoganda OR to take the occasion to engage in a personal attack on this man?? That is where you lose me!
Mr. Del Mastro is lying to his constituents, and using your money to do it. If that doesn’t bother you, you need to find a new blog to move into. — Garth
You would think that “real” Conservatives would be outraged that even more taxpayers money was being filtered off for party purposes. I certainly am. I was furious at the Liberals when they did the same thing on a more limited basis a number of years ago. Back then the PC and CA party members were outraged but like all hypocrits they have no problem with their party when they do the same thing on a far more substantial basis.
This kind of abuse of our taxes needs to stop. To me the intent of this practice is no different from what the Liberals were trying to do with adscam: filter public money into party advertising.
Ken,
having seen and heard Del Maestro on TV perform in the Commons, Committee and in interviews, I agree with Garth. If you truly are non-partisan – which I doubt going by past comments of yours – so will you.
Having seen what I saw, I’ll stand by what I said.
By Herb on 07.24.08 12:34 pm
You can stand by it all you want. You are still wrong. I think extreme partisan politics is a poison that is in all parties but mostly in the Conservatives and the Liberals. I am not defending Del Mastro in any way or Polliviere who I cannot stand. I am saying that Garth Turner is part of the problem because he is stone thrower.
I am also saying that many of the mistakes we make are based on assumptions and you have now made another one!
A ’stone thrower.’ Hmmm. Better to be stoned? — Garth
This kind of abuse of our taxes needs to stop. To me the intent of this practice is no different from what the Liberals were trying to do with adscam: filter public money into party advertising.
By C. B. Innes on 07.24.08 12:53 pm
The only way this will stop is for voters to care…Canadians seem to be enamoured at governments who steal and misuse their tax money. The fact that over 60% of those who vote will vote for either the CPC or Liberals is proof enough. Canadians are not interested in honest, open, transparent and accountable government, certainly not at the federal level.
You are correct on this issue, one is only interetsed in defending their party, not interested in correcting the abuse.
Has anyone (especially CPC supporters) just taken a few minutes to reflect? Think about it – if Harper was doing so well, if people were pleased with him and his policies he wouldn’t have to resort to such compative, vindictive, partisan politics.
These constant 10%’rs prove that he isn’t going over well at all.
Why send these 10% back in….save them, date them when they’ve been received, and then we can all challenge the government on it’s spending of OUR TAXPAYER dollars “campaigning”. Also, challenge by writing letters to your local editor and suggest that they have a reliable journalist investigate this – would make for a good story.
Garth, what is the difference between a tax and a levy? I see them as being equel only that if something is referred to as a levy it is subject to GST and other taxes. Why does the GST get charged on the B.C. carbon tax? It is neither a good nor is it a service in my opinion, but I amy be wrong.
Flaherty is now a huge hero in Ontario …
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 11:34 am
Do you remember the Andy Williams Show?
Do you remember the bear, I think it was, that was always after something?
Do you remember what Andy said to that bear every time?
The same applies to Ontario seeing Flaherty as some kind of hero….
“Not now, Not ever, Never!”
Now if you cast him as the evil villian…..!
A ’stone thrower.’ Hmmm. Better to be stoned? — Garth
I agree it is better to be stoned then to trow stones. Also it is better to be pissed off then be pissed on, but that is just my opinion.
Dion’s Import Taxes – this fellow has only one tool in his tool-belt…..the gigantic green versatile tax grabber.
We will just have to buy locally he says….yea, right – just try to find it. Will China’s goods be carbon tariffed to match their pollution level? Our store shelves would be empty or the stuff would inflate like crazy.
I know, I know…he’d promise us tax re-imbursements to cover it. Get him to walk the plank before the Liberal ship goes down further glub, glub.
(h/t) One Woman One Blog
April 25, 2007
A Man for All Seasons: Dean Del Mastro
After reading Dean Del Mastro’s heated comments about Garth Turner in Tuesday’s Peterborough Examiner, I decided to try to figure out why Dean Del Mastro is still so touchy about the income trust issue, other than the obvious reason, of course: Peterborough Riding has the second highest per capita population of seniors in the country, and many of those seniors were less-than-impressed when the Harper government did a u-turn on this issue. And the fact that Del Mastro serves on the Finance Committee only adds insult to injury.
Anyway, while I was researching this issue, I discovered that Del Mastro has re-spun his take on the income issue at different times. He is clearly a man for all seasons — or at least he has a fresh spin for every season
If only Peterborough saw more of Dean’s BS on TV (committee sessions, for example), maybe they wouldn’t be voting so much for him anymore.
Also, the lack of a positive alternative to any other party’s plan speaks volumes about the con’ plan. But there’s too much repugnican-type rhetoric accepted so easily by about 20% of the population (which will, no matter what, always support the CPC). Perhaps Mike Harris had a hand in this, reducing education funding in 1995 in order to create more CPC-voting drones for use 10-15 years later…
“Ontario to get $7.8-billion for infrastructure”
Cynic or supporter?
Did Flatulence finally get a heart?
Did Harpo begin to realize that there was something other than oil in Canada’s future?
Did they both study the situation before making such a decision?
OR
Are they buying votes?
From here, it looks like an awfully convenient about-face right after M. Dion’s implying a fall election.
Even though Ontario, and Quebec, sure can use the cash influx, this reeks of that other “conditional financing scheme” tried for supporting hurting forest product communities “if you will vote CPC”.
Gotta try and buy some more eastern votes!
I wonder where the money is coming from? Perhaps all those “windfall oil profits stolen from Alberta”?
Mr. Del Mastro is lying to his constituents, and using your money to do it. If that doesn’t bother you, you need to find a new blog to move into. — Garth
You will never be effective with approach you take. It does not work. You have to rise above the personal attacks and stick with the issues. Just as this response from you instead of addressing my concern – you put your gun on me and push the issue away from yourself.
Yes it concerns me that Del Mastro and other Conservatives spin and lie about things. It equally concerns me when you and the Liberal party do it as well.
The question is will you ever acknowlege what you are doing and take a different path – because I think you do have something to offer – but your message is getting lost when it is packaged in a toxic spray.
last i heard we lived in a free country and you could drive whatever car you wanted, as long as it is licensed.
the real crime is the sums the politicians are paid to stab in the back the people who pay their salaries.
the crap about taxing carbon is another stab in the back. everyone knows who will really end up paying for the nonsense.
Not to be a wet blanket but that Harley you drive is about the least efficient bike there is. 70s technology and maybe 25 MPG. My KLR gets about 70 MPG.
Yup I do dislike the beasts. Well apart from the fact that they don’t go, don’t stop well and don’t turn they are great. My first bike was a Harley.
Re: By HARRY S on 07.24.08 1:03 am
Garth … can you propose to Dion that the Green Shift Carbon Tax should be more fairly applied to gasoline, rather than maintaining it at $42 per tonne when the highest proposed carbon tax level is $40 per tonne in the fourth year of the Green Shift plan??
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Any comments on this suggestion, Garth ?
All politicans are partisan, none more so than you. Maybe that is the way it should be!
As well, all politicans lie, or “spin” which is the polite term to use. That is why, in a May Angus Reid poll, politicans garnered the lowest level of respect among Canadians, alongside priests, ministers and used car salesmen.
Wow! I sure haven’t missed much here! When we are finished personally insulting and attacking this MP, who’s next? To be non-partisan Garth, it should be a liberal MP, perhaps even Mr. Dion himself? I’ll check back later, there’s a few names and insults I’d like to throw out there. Have fun kids! Leasa
Dion pitches ‘green shift’
Liberal leader talks environment
Kevin Lajoie – The Cornwall Standard Freeholder – July 24
Liberal leader Stéphane Dion visited Cornwall Wednesday to tout the benefits of his party’s “Green Shift” plan, and he ended up getting a gloomy assessment from one of his own potential candidates.
Dion told a local audience the Liberals’ proposal to shift taxes on to emissions, pollution and waste is gaining support across the country as a way of tackling the challenge of climate change. The leader said he hopes to build a coalition of support for the plan that extends beyond traditional party lines.
“It’s the right thing to do,” Dion said during a speakers forum at the Best Western Parkway Inn. “Canadians want to act on climate change.”
More at:
http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1128368
Garth, what is the difference between a tax and a levy? I see them as being equel only that if something is referred to as a levy it is subject to GST and other taxes. Why does the GST get charged on the B.C. carbon tax? It is neither a good nor is it a service in my opinion, but I amy be wrong.
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Let’s see what the definitions reveal:
(My Dictionary.com)
Synonyms · Law Definition · Usage Examples
levy Definition
levy (lev??)
noun pl. lev?·ies
1. an imposing and collecting of a tax or other payment
2. an amount levied; tax, etc.
3.
1. the enlistment, usually compulsory, of personnel, as for military service
2. a group so enlisted
Etymology: ME levee < MFr, fem. pp. of lever, to raise: see lever
transitive verb lev?·ied, lev?y·ing
1. to impose or collect (a tax, tribute, fine, etc.)
2. to enlist (troops) for military service, usually by force
3. to wage (war)
intransitive verb
1. to make a levy
2. Law to seize property in order to satisfy a judgment: often with on
levy Synonyms
levy
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n.
toll, duty, custom; see tax 1.
levy Law Definition
n
1. A tax or penalty.
2. The state?s acting of seizing and selling property to satisfy a tax or other liability.
Related Forms · Synonyms · Synonyms · Law Definition · Usage Examples
tax Definition
tax (taks)
transitive verb
1. Obsolete to determine the value of; assess
2.
1. to require to pay a percentage of income, property value, etc. for the support of a government
2. to require to pay a special assessment, as in a society, labor union, etc.
3. to assess a tax on (income, property, purchases, etc.)
4. to impose a burden on; put a strain on to tax one’s strength
5. to accuse; charge to be taxed with negligence
Etymology: ME taxen < MFr taxer, to tax < L taxare, to appraise, tax, censure < base of tangere, to touch (see tact): used interchangeably with tasken (see task) in ME
noun
1.
1. a compulsory payment, usually a percentage, levied on income, property value, sales price, etc. for the support of a government
2. a special assessment, as in a society, labor union, etc.
2. a heavy demand; burden; strain
Etymology: ME
tax Related Forms
tax?·abil?·ity noun tax?·able adjective tax?er noun
tax Synonyms
tax
n.
1.
A pecuniary levy
fine, charge, rate, obligation, price, cost, contribution, expense; see also dues.
Antonyms discount*, interest*, allowance. *
Taxes include: processing tax, assessment tax, toll, excise, custom, levy, impost, duty, revenue tax, tariff, tribute, dues, capital gains, capitation, tithe, towage, salvage, wharfage, brokerage, freightage, poll tax, income tax, sales tax, property tax, excise tax, inheritance tax, cigarette tax, meals tax, gift tax, estate tax, gasoline tax, luxury tax, county tax, city tax, state tax, federal tax, excess-profit tax, surtax, corporation tax, single tax.
2.
A burden
strain, task, difficulty, imposition, demand; see also burden 2.
tax Synonyms
tax
v.
1.
To cause to pay a tax
assess, exact from, demand, lay an impost, exact tribute, charge duty, demand toll, require a contribution, enact a tax; see also require 2.
2.
To accuse
censure, charge, tax with, reprove, reproach; see also accuse.
3.
To burden
encumber, weigh down, overload; see burden.
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While Roget’s Thesaurus does not list them as equals or synonyms, the descrptions are highly parallel, and My Dictionary dot com suggests that they are one and the same, ie. interchangeable.
To dissect hairs, matters not when the net result is one and the same! Incidentally the GST has been charged on the PST for some time, which is a tax on a tax. So is the Prov. Sales Tax a good or service? I think not! It is simply injury onto insult! Time to call an election so We the People can impose a pox in the box. Epoxelliptic?
Garth:
You are one nasty corrupt Liberal prick!
Boo Hoo crybaby, get over yourself!
Steve
By Steve on 07.24.08 9:26 am
That is funny coming from the biggest asshole to ever post here .
Be thankful Garth doesn’t kick your ass to the curb . Loser .
Oh,right you use the drive by smear of all cowards . Gutless twerp .
We collectively tore ol’ Dean a new one on this blog before .
No problem doing it again .
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 2:00 pm
Yet again, Liberals are undermining Stephane Dion’s attempt to sell his Green Shift carbon tax plan to Canadians.
This time, we have Liberal nominee Gerry Samson in Stormont-Dundas-South-Glengarry admitting, on the record, with Stephane Dion in the room, that he can’t get local residents to believe him when he tells them that they will benefit from this new tax.
First we had Liberal MP Ken Boshcoff explain how Stephane Dion’s carbon tax is really just a way of moving money from Alberta and Saskatchewan to Ontario and Quebec to pay for social programs.
Then we had Liberal MP Martha Hall Findlay explain how Stephane Dion’s carbon tax might or might not affect emissions, and that there is simply no way to tell.
Then we had Liberal MP Ralph Goodale explain that most of the oil taken out of the ground in Saskatchewan won’t be taxed at all.
Now we have Liberal nominee Gerry Samson in Stormont-Dundas-South-Glengarry. His revelation? That no one believes him when he tries to sell Stephane Dion’s carbon tax as a financial windfall for Canadians.
Food prices spiraling in Harper’s adopted home…
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=a1a3c5bf-627a-4b8e-9213-1ecf1f50fbf5
The question is will you ever acknowlege what you are doing and take a different path – because I think you do have something to offer – but your message is getting lost when it is packaged in a toxic spray.
By Ken on 07.24.08 1:34 pm
Gee, Ken…
I think I like this sentiment. Not sure about others, but this one makes good sense.
Yup I do dislike the beasts. Well apart from the fact that they don’t go, don’t stop well and don’t turn they are great. My first bike was a Harley.
By PenGun on 07.24.08 1:37 pm
(smile)
It is all about the image.
Can anyone explain why the first thing the V-twin riders do is remove the exhaust system to put straight pipes or megaphones on – with not even a resonator to attenuate the NOISE?? This ear shattering racket only sounds good to those on the bike, but man it is nasty when they pass by, or on the highway – or cracking the throttle at stoplights. This does nothing for performance!
Maybe a little insecure?
LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!
Not just because he sits on the finance committee with me and is the most viciously partisan person in the room. By Garth.
ROFl, kook you is calling the kettle black. Garth you also have been one of the most viciously partisan person in Parliament for that matter. Especially when it comes to Harper, The Finance Minister and any other Conservative member or supporter who gets in your way,,,
As for Dion’s Green plan well Garth I used the calculator on the Liberal website and the result would not even come close to offsetting my additional expenses because of Dion’s plan and I am a pensioner to boot. The liberals and Dion in particular should stop misleading the voters that his plan will be neutral for all tax payers. The fact is that it will not. Dion and even you do not acknowledge that there will be a trickle down affect because of his carbon tax.
I am calling Dion’s and your bluff. Go ahead and bring down the government and run the campaign on this so called carbon shift plan.
Then again, no one ever went broke from underestimating the intelligence of the average person. (The con trolls may have to take a minute to think about that).
BY JOE T ON 07.24.08 7:25 AM
You got that right. maybe that is why they are not buying into Dion’s Green Shift Plan. But hey lets run an election on this plan and see where the dust settles. My bet is that we will end up exactly where we were before the election was called. One positive of this result is that one of the two major party leaders will be ousted or resigned shortly there after. My money is on Dion to be that leader.
Garth:
You are one nasty corrupt Liberal prick!
Boo Hoo crybaby, get over yourself!
Steve
By Steve on 07.24.08 9:26 am
Well Steve, it takes a prick to think like one. Btw, I received this joke today that could put you in the same category.
Official Announcement from Stephen Harper’s New Conservative Government.
The federal government today announced that it is changing the coat of arms to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government’s political stance.. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you’re actually being screwed!
Damn, it just doesn’t get more accurate than that.
Cheers
Garth … can you propose to Dion that the Green Shift Carbon Tax should be more fairly applied to gasoline, rather than maintaining it at $42 per tonne when the highest proposed carbon tax level is $40 per tonne in the fourth year of the Green Shift plan??
Thanks …..
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 1:03 am
Harry,
You really should be talking to Harper. He already promised to lower the tax rate on gasoline when it went beyond 85 cents per liter. He now has the power to do it and has done nothing. Why are you not complaining to him?
Is this just another manifestation of your hyperpartisan hypocrisy?
In any event I expect your days are numbered. Don’t slam the door on your way out!
Good blog today Garth!
Keep hammering at the Cons!
“Also, challenge by writing letters to your local editor and suggest that they have a reliable journalist investigate this – would make for a good story.”
BY SLG ON 07.24.08 1:10 PM
Good idea SLG. These 10 percenters are a national disgrace that Harper is allowed to continue to abuse our tax dollars. Harper’s actions feel criminal.
Incidentally the GST has been charged on the PST for some time, which is a tax on a tax. So is the Prov. Sales Tax a good or service? I think not! It is simply injury onto insult! Time to call an election so We the People can impose a pox in the box. Epoxelliptic?
By Just Asking….. on 07.24.08 2:03 pm
I am in business. GST is not charged on the PST.
“Just Asking” must be a troll given he lies just like the party he suppports.
When the trolls go from this blog, I will know that the neocons no longer fear Stephane Dion and his team. It seems the greater the trolls fear of Dion and his team, the more postings and the more negative content comes from them. Harry S is probably the poster boy for the fearful neocons and their attitude. He represents the neocon mind set that I wish to remove from our Canadian government leadership.
I see that Flim Flam F. is gearing up for the election by giving billions to Ontario.
Global economy at danger point:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/07/21/ccview121.xml
Ontario to get $7.8-billion for infrastructure
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 11:16 am
Garth, Is this amount in the current federal estimates?
Garth:
Men with
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“. . . Do you get paid for it? …sigh…”
slg, 8:45 am
Trolls receive lollipops and ju-jubs on a piece-work basis. The more they post, the more they receive!
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“Flaherty is now a huge hero in . . .”
honkytonkhaphazardhairy, 11:34 am
. . . his own mind. He, like you, has no idea of the reality of what individuals have to live with on a daily basis.
Playtime is over, so go back to your own little universe for nap time!
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Buying votes — maybe Rhino.
Smell an election coming up?
If CRAP figures they won’t be able to baffle us with their bullshit, they will LIE, LIE and LIE again.
Until voters say no more.
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Pyotr, where are you? You’re missed — heck, even Garth gave hairbrained a weekend off, and that’s over now!
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/375.html
pretty good video of british mp george galloway putting a caller who wants to bomb iran in his place.
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13183
article by justin raimondo describing what is going on in american politics. i think the same thing is going on here.
we don’t have any independent news in canada. the closest you will come is eric margolis.
Interrupting today’s thread…
I’m down in Branson Missouri on vacation and getting overdosed on US news and getting nothing from Canada. Some interesting perspective:
I watched Obama’s speech in Berlin. He is an impressive and compelling speaker. I don’t know if the substance will match the rhetoric, but he sure sounded good.
I watched T. Boone Pickens on CSPAN talking to a Congressional committee about the oil emergency in the US and the need to get away from a $700 B dependency on foreign oil.
Also, lots of commercials about clean and renewable energy.
Regardless of the debate on the science of global warming, I think it would be wise to take heed on what the US is starting to say about energy and the environment.
To the people, like Harry and many others, I think just putting Dion’s carbon proposals down for partisan or parochial interests is shortsighted and dangerous.
The Americans appear ro be moving in the same direction, and you better watch out.
T. Boone Pickens seems to have figured it out…
Do they realy beleive the electorate are that gullable?
By rural on 07.24.08 8:05 am
The really scarry part is much of the public is, and not well informed about what PMSH has been up to!
Most just don’t have the time to pay attention. They’re just running around trying to make ends meet and raise a family.
Dean Del Mastro’s junk mail:
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/07/dean-del-mastros-junk-mail.html
Today I attended a town hall meeting with Mr. Dion on the Green Shift in Kingston. He had a good crowd with many Queen’s people and of course NDP and Conservatives. He handled their questions with respect but his responses showed their weakness. He was passionate, sincere and very knowledgeable about details. My son who is an economics graduate said that Mr. Dion understands the economy. Mr. Dion was well received and showed what a strong leader he is.
Late breaking news:
Oil prices seen masking Canada “export recession”
Reuters
July 24, 2008
OTTAWA (Reuters) – Oil prices will continue falling and dip below $100 a barrel by the end of this year, unmasking an “export recession” in Canada that will result in anemic growth, a government export agency said on Thursday.
Export Development Canada forecast export growth this year of 4.2 percent in terms of value. But that is an artificially pretty picture based entirely on the dramatic surge in oil prices, EDC said in its quarterly
Global Export Forecast.
anada is a net exporter of crude oil and the top energy supplier to the United States.
In April, the EDC forecast 2008 export sales would decline 2 percent but Peter Hall, vice-president and chief economist at EDC, emphasized that the new forecast, while appearing more bullish, is far from it.
“It really is masking an export recession that we’ve got going right now,” Hall told Reuters. In volume terms, he sees exports falling 4 percent. “That’s a grave turnaround of events. That 4 percent drop in volume activity is in spite of the fact that volumes in the agri-food, energy and fertilizer sectors have been robust and so the number, absent those sectors, is actually worse,” he told Reuters.
For 2009, the agency sees total exports falling 1.2 percent in value but a 1 percent rise in volumes.
That outlook is based on expectations of a sharp downturn in oil prices, the spill-over effects from the U.S. subprime crisis, the impact on consumers of soaring prices and a global slowdown that is now spreading to major emerging economies such as China and India.
Speculative investors have been behind much of the recent climb to record highs in oil prices, Hall said, but that behavior is now starting to unwind. When the U.S. dollar stops falling against the euro, speculators will abandon crude and prices will fall, averaging about $84 a barrel in 2009, he said.
“While EDC recognizes that global supply and demand for crude is tight, we see signs that a large price correction is on the horizon,” Hall said.
The Canadian dollar, which has been hovering near parity with the U.S. dollar, will likely decline in line with commodity prices to trade in a range of 94 U.S. cents to 97 U.S. cents in the first half of 2009, he said.
Despite efforts to penetrate new markets, Canada still exports three-quarters of its products to the United States.
The EDC’s best-case scenario for the U.S. economy is a recovery beginning in late 2009, but Hall said he believes the upturn is unlikely to happen before early 2010.
As a result, “We don’t see good things for Canada,” he said. “The fact that we can generate only 1 percent GDP growth for the year in 2008, with a strong domestic economy, speaks to the extent to which export sector is a real drag on total activity.”
(Reporting by Louise Egan; Editing by Peter Galloway) (c) Reuters 2008
Catherine – do you spend all your time thinking of things to be negative? Do you get paid for it?
I live in the next riding to Del Mastro and I’ve watched him and my MP (who’s having a very long vacation and is not here to deal with issues) do interviews on our local cabel station – talk about pathetic. I don’t think either of them have a vocabulary of their own…just approved talking points. It’s really sad to watch try to look informed and important…sigh….
By slg on 07.24.08 8:45 am
And of course, slg, Garth and you Libbers are never negative or do personal attacks. Righhhhhtttttt.
“Flaherty is now a huge hero in Ontario” By HARRY S on 07.24.08 11:34 am
LMAO!!!!!!!!! You’re dreaming in technocolour Harry!!!!!! Those of us who lived through the Harris/Flaherty nightmare know better than that! All Flaherty is trying to do is buy some votes in Ontario. Crass political opportunism is all it is…and people in Ontario with brains (i.e. those of us who are not Harper-bots) see this for what it is.
The money is being spread out until 2014 so the immediate impact is going to be neglible at best. Like most Conservative announcements (like rebates on fuel efficient cars) there is far more hot air from the Conservatives than any real action.
For the majority of voters in Ontario nothing that Harpo and his bots do will change their status in the province. Next election they’ll be lucky to hold onto 10 seats at best. I wouldn’t be surprised if they drop to under 5.
“Wow! I sure haven’t missed much here! When we are finished personally insulting and attacking this MP, who’s next? To be non-partisan Garth, it should be a liberal MP, perhaps even Mr. Dion himself? I’ll check back later, there’s a few names and insults I’d like to throw out there. Have fun kids! Leasa
By Leasa on 07.24.08 1:54 pm”
And this from the queen of cheap, partisan shots!
I wonder where the money is coming from? Perhaps all those “windfall oil profits stolen from Alberta”?
By maybe Rhino? on 07.24.08 1:34 pm
Old money reannounced!!! Half gas tax thingy, the other half former program renamed. See Toronto mayor David Miller, he made the claim on CP 24….
By wjp on 07.24.08 4:37 pm
LMAO!!!
These clowns are really too much!
Thanks
Garth,
I stumbled on this, and wonder is this actually planned to go ahead:
“U.S. Embassy plans Arms Show/Bazaar in Ottawa despite 1989 ban
?The U.S. Embassy has scheduled a huge arms bazaar at Lansdowne Park this fall, despite an Ottawa City Council Motion of 1989 that banned all future military trade shows from municipal property. If it goes ahead, the “U.S. Embassy Defense & Security Exhibition” (Sept. 30 – Oct. 1) will be the first weapons expo on Ottawa City property since 1989 when ARMX military exposition filled Ottawa’s Lansdowne Park.?? Following a public outcry inspired by a campaign against ARMX organized by the Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade (COAT), Ottawa City Council barred the return of “ARMX or other such arms exhibitions” to municipal property.
http://coat.ncf.ca/ARMX/email1.htm
Secure Canada 2008 – Three Arms Bazaars Rolled into One
?The upcoming U.S. government sponsored arms bazaar is one part of a much larger military trade event called “Secure Canada 2008.” This exhibition is actually three separate arms shows in one. ?Learn about “Secure Canada 2008″??
Sponsors: This gross manifestation of the military-industrial complex is being sponsored by the U.S. government, large U.S. weapons exporters and two Canadian military-industry magazines crammed with government war propaganda and glossy ads for expensive weapons systems.”
What’s up with that?
By Ed Brooks on 07.24.08 3:45 pm
To the people, like Harry and many others, I think just putting Dion’s carbon proposals down for partisan or parochial interests is shortsighted and dangerous.
The Americans appear ro be moving in the same direction, and you better watch out.
T. Boone Pickens seems to have figured it out…
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Perhaps the Liberal party should import T. Boone Pickens .. Obama .. Moore .. Gore and Oprah too … and bail out hapless Dion trying to ’sell’ his Green Shift Carbon Tax to Canadians. Perhaps then Canadians will rally to Dion’s side and elect a Liberal majority government.
If Dion doesn’t get bailed out by Ignatieff and Rae, very soon, I fear for the credibility of the Liberal party when Parliament reconvenes in November.
By Bonnie L on 07.24.08 3:13 pm
I believe GST is charged on top of the PST and any other tax in gasoline. GST is not charged on top of other consumer goods. How is a tax or levy in any way to be considered a good or a service? I thought that is what GST stood for Goods and Service tax.
Perhaps someone from either the Federal revenue committee or finance committee can explain how a tax on a tax is in any way fair.
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 2:00 pm
Here is the devastatingly damaging statements made by the Liberal candidate reported in the above article that was edited out by Garth:
Dion pitches ‘green shift’ — Liberal leader talks environment
Kevin Lajoie – The Cornwall Standard Freeholder – July 24
However, during a question period following the speech, local Liberal nominee Gerry Samson told Dion he’s having trouble selling the “Green Shift” plan to people in Cornwall and S, D and G.
“They (people) seem to not believe the tax shift is going to benefit them” Samson said. “They just don’t seem to believe it.”
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Those gathered in attendance at Dion’s ‘town hall’ meetings are mostly Liberal party members, and their opinions are hardly worth much … but when the Liberal candidate openly admits the Green Shift is a hard sell amongst the people of Cornwall, that indicated either the candidate is inadequate or Dion’s Green Shift is in trouble. I tend to think the latter given the conflicting comments made by other Liberal MPs.
I am not ‘editing out’ anything. But I’ve told you several times to use links instead of eating up real estate by posting entire articles. Every time you do so, it will be shortened to the opening paras. — Garth
The only way this will stop is for voters to care. Canadians are not interested in honest, open, transparent and accountable government, certainly not at the federal level.
You are correct on this issue, one is only interetsed in defending their party, not interested in correcting the abuse.
By wjp on 07.24.08 1:08 pm
And that sums up the federal government in totality.
when I first said I wouldn`t waste a $1.75 to participate in the sham 24/7 electioneering called selecting a government> I recall even our token American said I was a traitor, it was my duty to vote. lol, a true partisan would have said enough is enough 5 elections ago. If you want a good government then the voters must send a message to Ottawa, vote none of the above, it`s the way for true patriotism. With 40% of the electorate already fed up it would only take another 20% to upend the entire system.
What are Cdns afraid if they vote none of the above, we can`t possibly get a better system or perhaps the`re worried there will be anarchy? We could send a message loud enough the whole world will hear it and besides could anarchy possibly be any worse than what we`ve already had to endure over the decades, and worse coming.
Well P having said all that I`m quite sure economic conditions will be in control long before the next election to send that message. The next big news politically will be the voices of 30 million very pissed off Cdns.
R
Also, challenge by writing letters to your local editor and suggest that they have a reliable journalist investigate this – would make for a good story.
By slg on 07.24.08 1:10 pm
That’s a great idea, only have you seen what passes for journalism in Peterbrough? The local Peterborough Examiner is a joke! As long as Del Mastro advertises in the Examiner, I don’t expect to see any real investigation or critique of “Fat Cat Dean” any time soon. My colleagues and I in the education field in Peterborough would LOVE to see our newspaper represent the progressive views of it’s subscribers. But alas, we are usually treated to a daily racist/misogynist/uneducated rant by some local goon in the letters to the editor. Presumably, these are the select few voting for Dean?
Harry
Why would Mr. Flaherty be the big hero in Ontario? According to the reports I read It was Mr. Canon that made the announcement. Could it be that after his comment about Ontario being the last place in which to invest Mr. F. couldn’t be seen investing in Ontario? Also, the report stated that the amount given by the Feds was $3.09 billion and matching funds would be provided by the province of Ontario. That $7 plus billion headline was not really telling the truth! Could Mr. F be trying to make up for the $6 plus billion deficit he left Ontarians. That was somewhat less than heroic
What’s up with that?
By Barb the proof-reader on 07.24.08 5:12 pm
We should make it a Warm Up Protest for the 2010 G-8 Conference being held in Huntsville.
What a blatant and arrogant act by our ‘neighbor’ the World’s Source for Death!
A reality check might be inorder about now -
What in Garth’s post is not based on fact? Please let us know, Catherine, Ken, Leasa, Van, or anyone else disturbed by Garth’s “toxicity”.
I am not ‘editing out’ anything. But I’ve told you several times to use links instead of eating up real estate by posting entire articles. Every time you do so, it will be shortened to the opening paras. — Garth
Good policy, Garth … and I hope you catch some of the trolls posting their massive off-topic stuff as well and don’t even provide a URL.
BTW … I had already edited down the article and then you shortened it again.
If there’s a link, interested people will follow it. Uninterested people will think you are taking up more than your share of space. — Garth
By Ed Brooks on 07.24.08 3:45 pm
Here is a little Canadian news for you to share.
Ottawa warned of climate-change health fallout
HOW ABOUT DELETING THIS CRAP AND FREEING UP SOME FORUM REAL ESTATE (just being helpful) ???
Garth, what is the difference between a tax and a levy? I see them as being equel only that if something is referred to as a levy it is subject to GST and other taxes. Why does the GST get charged on the B.C. carbon tax? It is neither a good nor is it a service in my opinion, but I amy be wrong.
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Let’s see what the definitions reveal:
(My Dictionary.com)
Synonyms · Law Definition · Usage Examples
levy Definition
levy (lev??)
noun pl. lev?·ies
1. an imposing and collecting of a tax or other payment
2. an amount levied; tax, etc.
3.
1. the enlistment, usually compulsory, of personnel, as for military service
2. a group so enlisted
Etymology: ME levee < MFr, fem. pp. of lever, to raise: see lever
transitive verb lev?·ied, lev?y·ing
1. to impose or collect (a tax, tribute, fine, etc.)
2. to enlist (troops) for military service, usually by force
3. to wage (war)
intransitive verb
1. to make a levy
2. Law to seize property in order to satisfy a judgment: often with on
levy Synonyms
levy
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n.
toll, duty, custom; see tax 1.
levy Law Definition
n
1. A tax or penalty.
2. The state?s acting of seizing and selling property to satisfy a tax or other liability.
Related Forms · Synonyms · Synonyms · Law Definition · Usage Examples
tax Definition
tax (taks)
transitive verb
1. Obsolete to determine the value of; assess
2.
1. to require to pay a percentage of income, property value, etc. for the support of a government
2. to require to pay a special assessment, as in a society, labor union, etc.
3. to assess a tax on (income, property, purchases, etc.)
4. to impose a burden on; put a strain on to tax one’s strength
5. to accuse; charge to be taxed with negligence
Etymology: ME taxen < MFr taxer, to tax < L taxare, to appraise, tax, censure < base of tangere, to touch (see tact): used interchangeably with tasken (see task) in ME
noun
1.
1. a compulsory payment, usually a percentage, levied on income, property value, sales price, etc. for the support of a government
2. a special assessment, as in a society, labor union, etc.
2. a heavy demand; burden; strain
Etymology: ME
tax Related Forms
tax?·abil?·ity noun tax?·able adjective tax?er noun
tax Synonyms
tax
n.
1.
A pecuniary levy
fine, charge, rate, obligation, price, cost, contribution, expense; see also dues.
Antonyms discount*, interest*, allowance. *
Taxes include: processing tax, assessment tax, toll, excise, custom, levy, impost, duty, revenue tax, tariff, tribute, dues, capital gains, capitation, tithe, towage, salvage, wharfage, brokerage, freightage, poll tax, income tax, sales tax, property tax, excise tax, inheritance tax, cigarette tax, meals tax, gift tax, estate tax, gasoline tax, luxury tax, county tax, city tax, state tax, federal tax, excess-profit tax, surtax, corporation tax, single tax.
2.
A burden
strain, task, difficulty, imposition, demand; see also burden 2.
tax Synonyms
tax
v.
1.
To cause to pay a tax
assess, exact from, demand, lay an impost, exact tribute, charge duty, demand toll, require a contribution, enact a tax; see also require 2.
2.
To accuse
censure, charge, tax with, reprove, reproach; see also accuse.
3.
To burden
encumber, weigh down, overload; see burden.
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While Roget’s Thesaurus does not list them as equals or synonyms, the descrptions are highly parallel, and My Dictionary dot com suggests that they are one and the same, ie. interchangeable.
To dissect hairs, matters not when the net result is one and the same! Incidentally the GST has been charged on the PST for some time, which is a tax on a tax. So is the Prov. Sales Tax a good or service? I think not! It is simply injury onto insult! Time to call an election so We the People can impose a pox in the box. Epoxelliptic?
By Just Asking….. on 07.24.08 2:03 pm
I am not ‘editing out’ anything. But I’ve told you several times to use links instead of eating up real estate by posting entire articles. Every time you do so, it will be shortened to the opening paras. — Garth
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 5:31 pm
His 2:00 post had a link but since no one was responding, he had to make the point again and again…sad but he is obviously all alone….I feel sorry for him.
“he showed their weakness. He was passionate, sincere and very knowledgeable about details. My son who is an economics graduate said that Mr. Dion understands the economy. Mr. Dion was well received and showed what a strong leader he is”
~ MARGARET 4:00 PM
And that is exactly the impression I received when he spoke in Calgary. He is very impressive. Harper does not hold a candle to him.
Not to be a wet blanket but that Harley you drive is about the least efficient bike there is. 70s technology and maybe 25 MPG. My KLR gets about 70 MPG.
Yup I do dislike the beasts. Well apart from the fact that they don’t go, don’t stop well and don’t turn they are great. My first bike was a Harley.
By PenGun on 07.24.08 1:37 pm
DH says new Harleys have a 5 speed gear box & are much more fuel efficient than the 70’s generation. (He used to sell Harleys in France & worked on them.) A new Road King gets about 45-50 MPG. DH has a BMW K100 & a K75 bike PenGun – he gets about 50 MPG for the K75 (3 cylinders) & about 38 MPG for the K100 (4 cyclinders). These bikes are 80’s technology and were already equipped with electronic fuel injection. Way far advanced for their time.
DH’s K75 now has 350K and the engine is original with no major work other than regular maintenance.
Yep, I asked him because I’m not a biker due to back problems. He leaves at 6am tomorrow with a few pals to meet up with others from Maine, NB, PQ & NS in Grand Falls, NB for a ‘get together’. He created & hosted a BMW NS site for about 5/6 yrs and just relinquished it a few mos. ago. He’s since started a new site with people around the globe.
Don’t be so critical PenGun. It’s a hobby and its better than driving a 70’s boat.
Zoot alors! Wilkommen, bienvenue and welcome to the circus that never ends!
First, this IS funny — about two mins., 15 seconds — lyrics are good, too.
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_mart
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WW from the KDC:
“Ability will never catch up with the demand for it.” — Malcolm Forbes
If there were a mixture of 308 centre-based Turner’s, Casey’s, Chong’s and Dion’s, along with others plus the equivalent number of ladies in the HoC, this country would be debt- and deficit-free and in much better shape than it is now!
A pipe-dream, you say? Wait ’til the election!
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For those who are curious about which way inflation, etc., will go, this is a good read (although long, so check the juicy parts only).
Oil and natural resources will fall a little further, but then they’re heading north again; buy Swiss francs, because the two dollars will eventually decline.
http://tinyurl.com/6fuyou
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A new spin (idea) on selling homes and condos in Kelowna from two realtors — reduce the price by $5,000 every Monday until sold. Glut of both on the market.
Imagine — this time last year, SOLD signs were up within a few weeks of listing.
Now it’s much more of a buyers’ market, as they can take an awful lot of time in choosing.
CPC can’t introduce new evidence in Elections Canada Case….
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=343f4605-7360-4342-8ef9-0df1a887269c
Gotta try and buy some more eastern votes!
I wonder where the money is coming from? Perhaps all those “windfall oil profits stolen from Alberta”?
By maybe Rhino? on 07.24.08 1:34 pm
….it’s just a drop in the bucket of what monies Ontario taxpayers send to Ottawa…we need more and deserve more and not just to buy us.
That’s a great idea, only have you seen what passes for journalism in Peterbrough? The local Peterborough Examiner is a joke! As long as Del Mastro advertises in the Examiner, I don’t expect to see any real investigation or critique of “Fat Cat Dean” any time soon. My colleagues and I in the education field in Peterborough would LOVE to see our newspaper represent the progressive views of it’s subscribers
By Jen on 07.24.08 5:33 pm
Jen – who owns the Peterborough Examiner? The Sun Media bought out our little small town paper. Also, write the editor and see it he/she puts it in and if they don’t – take them to task.
Under HARPER Economic outlook darkens:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=e808a540-a2c6-413f-8282-430f0b734bb8
By wjp on 07.24.08 6:34 pm
Under HARPER Economic outlook darkens:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=e808a540-a2c6-413f-8282-430f0b734bb8
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Under sociology professor DION, Canadians are being offered a Carbon Tax … and rejecting it based on newspaper report from Cornwall ON :
http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1128368
Read it all together with my comments at:
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 2:18 pm
Yet again, Liberals are undermining Stephane Dion’s attempt to sell his Green Shift carbon tax plan to Canadians.
This time, we have Liberal nominee Gerry Samson in Stormont-Dundas-South-Glengarry admitting, on the record, with Stephane Dion in the room, that he can’t get local residents to believe him when he tells them that they will benefit from this new tax.
More …..
Garth, I believe it’s you that
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Very interesting how some CPC supporter continue to bang away at Dion’s Green Shift but have nothing to answer the fact that Harper’s plan will cost Canadians without any tax relief. Also if Harper doesn’t impose a carbon tax on the Tar sands, Obama will on any imports from Canada and then Canadians money will end up in the U.S. Treasury.
Of course, there are those who might suggest this is Harper’s plan all along.
Green Shift Plan Has Its Cornwall Critics
July 23, 2008 — The Liberal environmental green shift plan was not a complete sell in Cornwall.
Leader Stephane Dion spoke to a crowd of over 100 mostly party supporters about the plan which would see carbon taxes on industry and tax rebates for us.
But one local Liberal candidate challenged Dion on the plan. Gerry Sampson told Dion that while he supported the plan, when people in SD&G “hear the word tax shift and they’re scared.”
Dion responded by referring Sampson to the party’s website. (Hear the exchange between Sampson and Dion by clicking audio clip below) The Liberal leader is on to Brockville for three speaking engagements today.
Audio: (Listen to Sampson and Dion in the link)
http://www.am1220.ca/news/local/
Some positive changes are going to come on more quickly than others in the way we view things relative to our planet.
Recently, there have been discussions and programmes on electric cars; getting away from waste; plastic bags; renewable energy; green energy; water management; soil management; air quality; greener economies; just to name a few. These all contribute to our recognition for the need to change the way we live, work and play.
One thing for sure, some things will be embraced more quickly than others.
It’s all in matters of degree, but it will happen.
We are on a limited time line, and frankly, I am very excited, that we still have the ability to do something about it.
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED THE CPC used the “IN & OUT SCHEME” in their campaign financing. The investigator for Elections Canada denied claims by the CPC that other parties did it in 2004 & 2006.
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED ON TAPE he was aware of a financial offer to Cadman.
No link, head + two paras.
“Investors worldwide are betting more than $1 trillion on a collapse in American stock prices
“Americans should be experiencing nausea about right now, that’s being induced from swirling around the toilet bowl faster and faster.
“Add in the that loud plunk you just heard, which was the sound of that extra-large turd of another 800 BILLION dollars in debt being added to our total debt, now being approved by our cowardly, immoral and craven Congress.”
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If the US stocks head south quickly, the greenback may well follow suit.
Shit. I’m going to apply for a job Auntie Hairy’s Brothel!
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“Evidence of the US Banking System Teetering on the Brink of Collapse
“Paulson appears on Face The Nation and says “Our banking system is a safe and a sound one.” If the banking system was safe and sound, everyone would know it (or at least think it). There would be no need to say it.”
Comment courtesy WRH.com
“They” were saying the same thing in early October 1929.
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Maybe something to do with ‘quakes, volcanoes and all the untapped energy there — everyone’s trying to get their paws on it!
http://tinyurl.com/6jkrao
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Kinda goes with the link I posted earlier — oil drops (maybe $100 / brl., falling gas prices, commodities, natural resources, precious metals — all decline temporarily, then shoot skyward.
http://tinyurl.com/6fnhqj
STEPHEN HARPER’S chief of staff, most likely under instructions from Harper, tried to INTERFERE in another country’s election process, commonly known now as NAFTAGATE. I am sure Sen. Obama will not forget this trespass.
A CARBON TAX ON TAR SANDS IMPORTS WITH CANADIAN TAXPAYERS DOLLARS GOING TO THE U.S. TREASURY MAY BE DIFFICULT FOR HARPER TO SELL….
By Herb on 07.24.08 5:59 pm
Hello Herb, I was mostly referring to the comments following Garth’s post. When people have to start calling an MP ‘fat-cat’ and insulting him on such a personal level, then that tells me that there isn’t a whole lot that’s really wrong with the job he’s doing as an MP, otherwise they wouldn’t have to stoop so low.
Until there is legislation depicting what is allowed in these fliers, a party can put what ever they want in them and send them anywhere they want, right?
I don’t know what goes on in committee meetings, but I do get the strong impression that Garth has a private axe to grind with this MP. I also think that calling him a ‘liar’ on this public blog is going a bit too far. Just because you don’t agree with some-one’s version of the truth or opinion, does not make them liars. What is the difference between sending out this 10%er, and trashing someone on this blog? Both are public. Sure Garth probably pays for this site out of his personal expense, but that’s the only difference.
Okay, I guess instead of taking about Dion’s new idea of a carbon tax, it’s better to use the taxpayer’s money to send out jokes about killing the Prime Minister and his Wife. Talk about malicious, vicious partisanship.
I am less convinced today that I could support the LP than I was yesterday.
That’s my two cents…like it or don’t.
Leasa
By Charles Oxley on 07.24.08 6:20 pm
Thx Charles for posing the Jibjab Utube. Hilarious but oh so true. Have`sent it to all omt email list. Did you catch the Obama one?
Lagging business investment, falling consumer confidence and a worsening trade performance are darkening the outlook for Canada’s economy, separate reports warned Thursday.
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=e808a540-a2c6-413f-8282-430f0b734bb8
LOOKS LIKE ECONOMIST HARPER IS FAILING THE GRADE…
OT but Inspiration today…
People love to pontificate on all global issues and I doubt whether we will know all the ramifications until 2020.
However, there was a positive figure standing in front of Berliners’ today that made me cheer. He said something that stuck with me. “It’s our moment.” I worry about his safety as he catches hands in a crowd.
He should after all, assume the most difficult job in the world. I don’t want some old guy with anger management issues to assume the position but I am not a citizen of America. I cannot influence but only observe.
The difficulty of hope and inspiration is that it makes cynics snicker. You fool, you romantic, you idiot.
It’s all about the “keep your hands off of my stash” mindset.
NO, it IS about a better world for this biosphere, our survival and the realization that we are citizens of the world.
DEFENCE MINISTER STOPS DONATION:
“Somebody at a desk at Kandahar air force base is blocking life-saving equipment to get to the Kandahar firefighters.”
Martin wrote the Defence minister asking for help, but said he received a reply advising him the oxygen tanks could be turned into IEDs and therefore the gear would be returned or destroyed. Martin accused “pencil-pushers” in the government of blocking a goodwill donation that Afghans would appreciate.
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=bf00c2b5-65e0-4f98-9638-70690e8b2043
[Off Topic]
Garth,
I have just got off the phone with a gentleman from the National Liberal Party. I was not very welcoming to him, as I JUST HATE being asked to support causes over the phone. I stayed polite, but very short and hung up quickly without letting him speak to me and ask for $$.
However…It did get me to thinking and I have just come from the Liberal Website where I have made a nice sized donation to the LPC. Sizable enough that I’ll be getting the Laurier Club lapel pin! hehehe.
It’s time we get rid of the Conservative/Reformers who form the minority govt.
Go Garth! Go Libs!!
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED THE CPC used the “IN & OUT SCHEME” in their campaign financing. The investigator for Elections Canada denied claims by the CPC that other parties did it in 2004 & 2006.
By wjp on 07.24.08 7:27 pm
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED ON TAPE he was aware of a financial offer to Cadman.
By wjp on 07.24.08 7:37 pm
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This is what a Lib trool death spiral looks and sounds like … spinning out of control while the ground is coming up fast …LOL
By Charles Oxley on 07.24.08 7:51 pm
Chucky … your babbling is becoming incoherent … Garth is trying to save forum real estate bandwidth and you are overloading it with your strange comments. Seek help …
Dean is a typical example of the lack of representation by all mps in the Harper government……..just another harper bird dog! In the harper government there is one man who makes all decisions..thats herr harper! Thanks for being your own man Garth and the only representative of the people in canada’s government ( i know of no other!)
Kinda goes with the link I posted earlier — oil drops (maybe $100 / brl., falling gas prices, commodities, natural resources, precious metals — all decline temporarily, then shoot skyward.
By Charles Oxley on 07.24.08 7:51 pm
I did read your previous link and he`s not far off on oil but so far out in the bush on commodities he would need a lunch to get back to reality without starving.
I believe I`ve previously explained the global raw resource situation re global demand.
It is dropping and there is no reason to expect any kind of reversal as the global economy is and will continue to retract in the US till next summer and at least 5 years for the Cdn economy to turn around.
If you like I could email all the info that my conclusions are based on or have you already bought shares in Tek C?
By wjp on 07.24.08 7:55 pm / 8:01 pm / 8:16 pm
STEPHEN HARPER’S chief of staff, most likely under instructions from Harper, tried to INTERFERE in another country’s election process, commonly known now as NAFTAGATE. I am sure Sen. Obama will not forget this trespass.
A CARBON TAX ON TAR SANDS IMPORTS WITH CANADIAN TAXPAYERS DOLLARS GOING TO THE U.S. TREASURY MAY BE DIFFICULT FOR HARPER TO SELL….
Lagging business investment, falling consumer confidence and a worsening trade performance are darkening the outlook for Canada’s economy, separate reports warned Thursday.
LOOKS LIKE ECONOMIST HARPER IS FAILING THE GRADE…
DEFENCE MINISTER STOPS DONATION:
“Somebody at a desk at Kandahar air force base is blocking life-saving equipment to get to the Kandahar firefighters.”
Martin wrote the Defence minister asking for help, but said he received a reply advising him the oxygen tanks could be turned into IEDs and therefore the gear would be returned or destroyed. Martin accused “pencil-pushers” in the government of blocking a goodwill donation that Afghans would appreciate.
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Shouting and babbling incoherently .. off-topic ramblings .. desperate accusations .. Lib trool death spiral … splat …!!!!
there was a positive figure He said something that stuck with me. “It’s our moment.”
By Bonnie N BC on 07.24.08 8:09 pm
It is absolutely incredibly how this figure is firmly rooted in the positive. He was wrong on the Iraq troop serge. He`s wrong on health care costs as revenue neutral from saving from the ER.
He`s wrong about the gas tax holiday. He`s wrong about Nafta as the low US buck gives the US the advantage. He`s wrong about face to face meeting with every tin pot despicable dictator. He`s wrong about taxing oil sands produces as that will drive oil to $200 for America.
I could go on but you have to agree that someone that is wrong on every issue yet still is the most positive global figure defies odds and maybe even gravity if that`s the moment he`s refering to.
Garth,
Someone in the Globe posts said that Diesel fuel will be taxed under the Green Shift Plan.
Is that true ???
Leasa,
you get a cigar, Girl, because you are the only one of the Troll Patrol who tried to justify coming down on Garth.
Do watch Del Maestro perform on CPAC, Parlvu and the MSM and see for yourself if that is how an MP should speak and act. As to Garth calling him a liar, the shoe fits. It is not a matter of versions of the truth, but of out-and-out mis- and disinformation, or plain, deliberate lies for political effect. And that has no place in a democracy.
Well, no one having even tried to prove Garth a liar in response to my 5:59 pm, I can go to bed secure in the knowledge that the universe is unfolding as it should, with Garth telling it as it is, and the neo-Republican trolls reduced to generating chaff.
Amen, Brother Herb. — Garth
The point needs to be made again that not one Conservative supporter here has had a negative comment about using taxpayers money to sent out what is clearly party propaganda.
When any private organization is able to access public funds virtually at will our system has become totally corrupt. We are ruled by a party that has gone to court to prevent small registered parties from getting any public funds based on voter support. At the same time they have used every trick in the book to try make taxpayers pay for their political games.
The sad thing is that the Liberal Party has much to answer for because they created this situation in what they saw at the time their own interests. I had forseen the unintended consequences of their actions but they were so blindly partisan that they could not see that what they had put in place could be used against them. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Diesel fuel will be taxed under the Green Shift Plan.
Is that true ???
By The real and original Bob R. on 07.24.08 10:18 pm
lol are you actually serious. There is no plan… Only an idea on something to bash the Cons with. This `plan` isn`t even costed out and revenue neutral, lol admin will eat up 30 to 50% of it. Further more it does absolutely nothing in the global fight against climate change. And, lol, tax breaks roflmao don`t you think Cdns remember similar promises like `axe the tax`. lmao Nobody is buying it as a tax plan let alone a green plan unless it`s the bashfest plan.
I don`t think even half the cheerleaders are buying into because when they ask, how much will it cost or what will it do for the environment it`s quieter than a tree falling in the forest.
This has to be the funniest political stunt I`ve ever seen, I`m sure it`ll make the history books under snake oil.
And no I`m not supporting the anti-Dion Liberal; by the name of Harry S. Personally I think he works for the dark horse used to be ambassador to the US but it matters not to me.
Why does Dion`s knees knock when he`s asked about international investors bolting for the door in 2002 or 11 year olds having sex while out on a date or why fathers have no legal right to be a father or all the money missing from Liberal programs.
Don`t get me wrong, I think the Cons are about as useful as tits on a bull but heavens people quit insulting the intelligence of Cdns.
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Okay, I guess instead of taking about Dion’s new idea of a carbon tax, it’s better to use the taxpayer’s money to send out jokes about killing the Prime Minister and his Wife. Talk about malicious, vicious partisanship.
I am less convinced today that I could support the LP than I was yesterday.
That’s my two cents…like it or don’t.
Leasa
By Leasa on 07.24.08 7:58 pm
I don’t like it Leasa, and for 2 cents here’s what I have to say: For starters, better a joke than Helena Guergis (at Harper’s behest?) ratting out HRM Loyal Opposition Leader and Deputy to the Taliban. I wonder if Canada’s Military has any ability to smack down such a traitorous act or if it is all up to whatever Harper says goes. Second, Del Maestro (and others) is using Canadian taxpayer money to disseminate mis- and dis-information all over the country I wonder who has responsibility for that.
But, if you Leasa can come up with MPs from Liberal, Bloc, NDP, Green, Communist or Marijuana Party doing the same thing with taxpayer dollars, you go girl!
And Leasa, spare me the “I am less convinced today that I could support the LP than I was yesterday.”
I think you are an operative/troll paid by the Harper Conservatives. From all I’ve seen you have the same talking points, the same blinkers on, the same blind subservience. What happened to you? Did you look in Harper’s eyes?
Have a nice evening!
By Leasa on 07.24.08 7:58 pm,
There are certain MPs in Ottawa that are either immature or have no personal ethical standards or both. The question is whether we as Canadians should tolerate this situation. Each one of us has our personal standards and if we see a particular individual or individuals constantly violate those standards then we judge them accordingly.
The question is whether we have the right to publicly express our displeasure when an individual violates those standards?
Conservatives, before forming government, pretended to have high ethical standards. The Chretien government was criticized for lowering the ethical bar and people wondered whether it was possible to lower that bar any further. In my opinion, the answer is “yes” because the Conservatives have been lowering the ethical bar even lower.
I probably should not be surprised that the Conservatives have totally abandoned “ethics” and are even challenging the rule of law, virtually placing themselves above the law, but I am. I thought that there were some ethical PCs and some ethical Reformers but they have abandoned either the new Conservative Party or their principles.
I feel a total sense of despair when it comes to the current political situation.
otherwise they wouldn’t have to stoop so low…..Talk about malicious, vicious partisanship….
By Leasa on 07.24.08 7:58 pm
Lyin’ Leasa,
The Hyper Partisan Queen rides again.
No one stooped any lower than you did when you implied that Pierre Trudeau was a Nazi.
Have you apologized to the Trudeau family yet?
Speaking of vicious, to my knowledge no else on this web log has told a lady to “get stuffed”, told a man to “stuff it” and threatened to kick another man in the balls.
Hypocrisy thy name is Leasa.
By HARRY S on 07.24.08 5:13 pm
Are you actually trying to link Pickens to Obama or Moore? Do you know who Pickens is?
That’s my two cents…like it or don’t.
Leasa
By Leasa on 07.24.08 7:58 pm
Blah,blah,blah,blah .More wasted real estate from the partisan goof Queen .
You ever seen one of those ads for a movie where the positive endorsements come from some unknown reviewer, living in some obscure town? Well the quotes on this 10 percenter remind me of it. The source is the same that was used for the yellow “Oily the Splot” flyer that the Conservatives were personally handing out – only to find them littering the streets of Ottawa – in the run-up just prior to Dion’s “Green Shift” announcement. In that case there were several quotes, not only from the same source, but also from but a single article. I’m sure the Moncton Times & Transcript is a fine local paper, serving the environs of Greater Moncton well, but who outside of Moncton has ever heard of it? To use multiple quotes from it on multiple propaganda, as a strategy, suggests a certain lack of gravitas, that the Conservatives really had to scour the land to find articles to support their position. And we get to pay for it.
If the team in Doug Finley’s media factory have so much time on their hands, they might want to start reading the small town paper I grew up with, whose contents often paralled that found in Andy Griffith’s “Mayberry” – who was visiting whom from out of town, that sort of thing – there might be a bit of primo gossip that could be put to good use. Del Mastro would be a natural shoe-in for that sort of thing.
Guy Giorno, are you listening?
Amen, Brother Herb. — Garth
By Herb on 07.24.08 10:31 pm
Do you people even read the comments? Or is it simply because I am not in total agreement with everything posted here by liberal partisans?
Leasa
Leasa,
I do read comments, Leasa, including yours. I even try to understand them.
Do you, or are you limited to generating chaff?
Amen, Brother Herb. — Garth
By Herb on 07.24.08 10:31 pm
Do you people even read the comments? Or is it simply because I am not in total agreement with everything posted here by liberal partisans?
Leasa
By Leasa on 07.25.08 7:01 am
By Leasa on 07.25.08 7:01 am
Lyin. Leasa,
So more and more people are on to you. That must be particularly galling.
You whine because some other people may be partisan. Yet you are as hyper partisan as any one who ever posted on this log. Your latest Tokyo Rose act isn’t going to fly. It’s obvious that you would wish people to think you are non partisan. You even had the audacity to claim once upon a time that you were the least partisan person ever to post on this blog. What a laugh. This, so that they would accept what you say at face value. Then your neo-con half truths, embellishments and lies might get a lot of traction. You would be in hyper partisan heaven!
Well, it’s not going to happen.
Your recent posturing may have been convincing to some , but most won’t buy it. Your mock outrage when Harper made overtures to Columbia might have been convincing by itself.. Coming from you it was clearly nothing more than a token gesture to prove that you were open minded.
Your criticism of Harper for undermining much needed government controls on food production was well placed and obviously should be taken seriously. However considering the source it suspiciously looks merely like another gambit simply to convince people that you really are non partisan. Even this might have had a chance to fly until you really blew it.
Your shameless support of an objectionable scoundrel such as Dean Del Mastro once again confirmed you as the vicious, lying, hyper partisan neo- con you really are.
Your credibility is once again in shreds.
Stifle Edith. ~Archie, a.k.a. Gord.
Where did I say I supported Del Mastro? Who’s the liar?
Love ya anyway Archie. (hugs) Leasa your own Edith.
Mr. Turner,
If the current gas tax is to become part of the carbon tax, which is to be revenue neutral, how do the liberals plan to replace the lost “general” revenue that is currently coming in from the gas tax?
I’m not trying to be a shit disturber here, I just really don’t understand this point of the green plan, and haven’t been able to find anything that answers this question.
A response would be greatly appreciated.
Existing gas tax revenues (ten cents a litre) will continue to be collected, and are not factored into the tax shift numbers presented in the Green Shift plan. — Garth
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED ON TAPE he was aware of a financial offer to Cadman.
By wjp on 07.24.08 7:37 pm
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WJP you should also recall that the unedited version of this tape showed Harper stopping, turning around and returning to talk to Cadman’s biographer. Harper’s first words were, “This is not for publication, of course!”
What does this man think a reporter does with his video tapings? This is the man who thinks he is the smartest Prime Minister to ever live at 22 Sussex Dr.!
From what I saw and heard out of Harper’s mouth, I know that there is a cover up in place, and that there is evidence that will never be see the light of day or a court room. This is only one of many nails that should go into a coffin for this conservative government.
Justice and Canadian Democracy was not well served by the partial investigation by the RCMP in this case. What the raw footage shown on national news should serve as is a glimpse of what was going on behind the scenes at the time. Reporter/Author Zaduk (spelling?) failed his nation by not immediately posting this on the internet and with the MSM! Shame on him!
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth should be published immediately when it is a matter of national significance, as this was!
Garth, I just again wrote about the same Conserva-spam-scam on my blog too. They are really targetting Goodale’s riding, with multiple MP’s 10%ers.
Stifle Edith. ~Archie, a.k.a. Gord.
Where did I say I supported Del Mastro? Who’s the liar?
Love ya anyway Archie. (hugs) Leasa your own Edith.
By Edith on 07.25.08 1:37 pm
Lyin’ Leasa,
You are not Edith. You are a female Archie Bunker. Like Archie you are digging yourself in deeper and deeper. Like Archie your arguments are flimsy and nonsensical.
In the following reference , which is taken from the context of a discussion which is clearly about Del Mastro, you have obviously leaped to his defense. If that isn’t support then I don’t know what is.
“By Herb on 07.24.08 5:59 pm
Hello Herb, I was mostly referring to the comments following Garth’s post. When people have to start calling an MP ‘fat-cat’ and insulting him on such a personal level, then that tells me that there isn’t a whole lot that’s really wrong with the job he’s doing as an MP, otherwise they wouldn’t have to stoop so low.”
Once again you are demonstrably devious and hyper partisan to the point of lying.
You have no credibility.
I’d imagine a very environmentally-focussed Green Shift would try to attempt to include some sort of tax increase on gasoline, one of biggest contributors to green house gases. The existing federal excise tax is not a carbon tax. The problem is that increasing gasoline tax is sort of the third rail and no party will touch it.
Just Suggesting…
You’re completely out to lunch, unaware of the facts, and seem to be obstructively obtuse. There is no video recording. Will you please report back to the Death Star and be upgraded to the Con stance and beging spewing the ‘proper talking points’? Just suggesting…
Harper, on video, talking about knowing about conversations between Harper Party Henchmen and Chuck Cadman. Come on, eh? Get a grip!
Come to think of it, this is likely the last time this blog is going to hear from you… just suggesting.
The whole idea of the green shaft is to change behavior by changing tax rates.
Increasing the tax rates on diesel but not on gasoline will result in increased rates of gasoline consumption compared to diesel.
Diesel produces less C02 than gasoline.
This cynical NEP II vote buying scheme will increase C02 emissions.
But then this plan is designed to buy votes in the east with money stolen from the West, it’s not about the environment.
It’ another liberal plan to ‘Screw the West, we’ll take the rest’
That’s what the liberals said the plan was on the first NEP.
If the liberals cared about the environment, they would have done something about it when in power.
But Iggy says, ‘we didn’t get it done’.
And, oh yeah, AGW is a fraud and the world is cooling off.
You can look it up.
During a visit to Conservative Mp Dean Del Maestros office in Peterborough on an Immigration matter for a friend I was quite shocked and appalled to have a business card of a local paralegal whom I know, handed to myself and the refugee concerned in the matter.
Not only would this appear to be yet another unethical conflict of interest on MP Del Maestros part, but it is also my knowledge that this paralegal is by no means a recognized representative on immigration matters.
I would love to hear the explanation (as if there is one) of why it is that the Conservative party, and in particular Mr. Del Maestro seems to think that playing favours is proper politics and/or in ANY WAY democratic. I also know that this paralegal has been EXTREMELY supportive of the Conservative party in Peterborough, even going so far as to become a member of Dean Del Maestros election team.
And TODAY…MINUTES AGO…MP Del Maestro is caling others tritors in the H of C!!!!!!!!!!!
When will someone stop this man?? And what are the legal routes available when there IS such conflict of interest??