As you can see, I’ve asked Dion to come to Halton and go live with me. We’ve rented a honking big hall and I’ll be inviting the community to come and meet the guy, to discuss things people in an urban riding like this are always obsessed with – the too-rapid pace of development and what it’s doing to daily life, plus the toll on our environment. Explain the Green Shift, I said to him.
But a main theme will also be the economy. You know why. I wrote a day or two ago about the local Ford plant, and its setback. Plus real estate has started to feel the chill winds, with too many For Sale signs and too few buyers. Locally, manufacturing plants are laying off or closing and there are more empty stores down the street from my office than I’ve seen in three years. It will be good for citizens to come and ask Dion in person, unscripted, about his vision of where we’re going. I just wish they could get the same opportunity with all the leaders.
But, here’s the deal: I want you to come, at least those who can. If enough of you reply, I’m willing to have a reception for garth.ca bloggers to meet Dion in private before the event. Are we on? RSVP to me directly: garth@garth.ca.
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(Then ask him if he will come to Nova Scotia!)
Garth,
I would give anything to go to your Oakville event on the 20th.
I have a commitment that just has to be kept.
Gee, I really would like to be there to meet you and Stephane Dion!
I would come .. but I expect you would
DELETE
me.
That was your best-ever post. We’d love to have the PMO. Really. — Garth
Garth: THEN AND NOW: GST Cut Good (Dec.1,2005: GST Cut Bad (July 25,2008) Please explain your comments on those two occassions regarding the GST cut!!!!
Done already. Do try to keep up. — Garth
I’m sure there will be some CPC spies there.
I wish some of the CPC trolls would go – without an attitude, if you know what I mean….listen and ask questions, like adults. Nothing to lose and maybe something to gain.
I will be there!
Nice work getting Dion.
It takes some courage to put out a policy as complex as the green shift and then stand in front of an “anyone can come” audience to defend it.
Hi Garth.
In Calgary I gave Stephane Dion a DVD showing that the official version of what happened on 9/11 2001 defies the laws of physics and cannot be true.
I sat beside him at supper.
I gave his wife the book “Debunking 9/11 Debunking” by David Ray Griffin.
I gave you documents and a DVD in Calgary when I went to three of your meetings in one day. Remember?
Every MP and Senator got similar material on May 1st. 2008, delivered to the House of Commons and Senate.
I gave similar material to Michael Ignatieff and several candidates for Liberal leadership as they came through Calgary seeking support.
At several Liberal meetings in Calgary I got lots of support from members including candidates for future elections in several ridings.
They accepted my DVDs and asked follow-up questions at later meetings, wishing me success.
No one supported the official fable.
I have written to four party leaders and many MPs asking for an investigation
into the murder of 24 Canadians.
You agreed to educate yourself on 9/11 2001 when given material and a DVD in Edmonton. I have that on video.
Do you think my efforts would pay off if I used up some AirMiles and came to your Public Meeting Aug. 20th?
Do you think I could expect an answer from an important Canadian Opposition Leader now that a majority of US citizens do not believe the official tale? I would not fly there to be ignored as I have experienced since I brought this to the attention of the Liberal Party when leader Bill Graham agreed to get back to me after I gave him the book “Global Outlook”.
That was your best-ever post. We’d love to have the PMO. Really. — Garth
By HARRY S on 07.26.08 9:50 pm
Cryptic .
Garth , if I had 4 grand lying around with nothing to do I’d be there!!!……..but since I don’t, I will have to be there in spirit.
I will try to be there. Look for my email to your’s.
Hi Mr.Turner what do you have to say for yourself about this humm?
Asked and answered, hummer. Try to keep up. — Garth
By HARRY S on 07.26.08 9:50 pm
I would come .. but I expect you would
DELETE
me.
That was your best-ever post. We’d love to have the PMO. Really. — Garth
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Really, Garth … you honour me by saying that I am attached to the PMO …. and meanwhile all the forum trools want me banned!! You are obviously my guardian angel on your fine forum.
Unfortunately, since I cannot attend, perhaps you could pose these cogent questions to the good M. Dion on my behalf:
M. Dion, svp …. In your Green Shift you lay out a 4 year timeline for the costing of carbon per tonne, and I assume you have plans to be the next prime minister of Canada some time between the next election later this year or by October 19, 2009 at the latest. The Green Shift carbon tax would presumably start in 2009 and end in 2012/13. Correct?
However on page 16 of the Green Shift you categorically state:
“Canadians know Canada won’t meet its obligations under the first phase of the Kyoto Protocol.”
Since you are one of those Canadians who also believes Canada will not meet it’s 2012 Kyoto “obligations”, and your Green Shift does not have mandatory GHG reduction targets, what will happen in 2012 when Canada does not meet it’s “obligations” under the Kyoto Treaty when you are Prime Minister?
I ask this question in the context of the recent “Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act” that was a Liberal-sponsored private member’s bill made into law recently, and requires that Canada meets it’s 2012 Kyoto targets.. Will you as Prime Minister abide by this Act as well as meeting our 2012 Kyoto Treaty “obligations” .. as you put it?
Specifically, will a Dion Liberal government in 2012 purchase Kyoto Carbon Credits on the international market to mitigate any GHG excess above our 2012 Kyoto target?
I remind you, that in your other two “green” plans, one when you were Environment Minister and the other after you were selected the new Liberal leader, you made provision for international carbon credits as a means to mitigate Canada’s GHG excess, most of which was accumulated under past Liberal governments.
Kyoto Carbon Credits in 2012 … yes or no ..???
Darn, I was recently there twice. Not likely to be able to swing a third trip so soon, but very tempting. Maybe plans will change.
I shall try and clear my agenda for that date!
There’s just on thing I want to know:
Will there be WiFi?
“In Calgary I gave Stephane Dion a DVD showing that the official version of what happened on 9/11 2001 defies the laws of physics and cannot be true.
John Duddy”
Hi John,
When you pull the sheet of aluminum foil over your head, how do you do the edges — you know — so your ears are not covered?
I use a bowl with mine — I pull it over the tin foil and fold the edges nice and smooth; then pull the bowl off. I figure some of the rays might get in if the edges are all crinkled. But they can’t get past a nice smooth egde.
Know what I mean?
Harry S. you are always asking Garth to ask M. Dion about things, well here is your chance. Ask him yourself.
Wish I could be there!
Just got back from the fireworks at English Bay: US contribution was rather fizzly and lots of red/white/blue, doubt they’ll win this year. Canada rocked last Wednesday and is still the one to beat.
You, Mr. Turner and Stephane Dion. Anywhere in BC, I’ll be there, and bringing friends.
Have a great weekend and plan for a very productive meeting. Growing minds is no small task. Keep on keeping on!
Dear Mr. Turner
Various sources indicate that some 2.5 million (or more) Income Trust investors were directly affected by Harpers Betrayal. I can’t imagine even ONE of them voting for Harper again. Not one.
MILLIONS more have surely come to recognize the destruction of Canadian Industry that directly resulted from Harper’s LIE. BCE sold, many more Canadian enterprises are now American owned, as Harper had planned. All this damage done by Harper and his LIE. The tax leakage is astounding and Harper caused it. And he lied about it.
Many more voters have surely realized that the tax leakage CAUSED by Harpers Income Trust Betrayal, combined with outrageous overspending (make that vote buying) by Harper leave us in deficit territory that WILL result in higher taxes for us all.
Given the number of votes garnered by Harpers goon squad nationwide, back when people believed his foul lies, and given that literally millions were burned by the disgraceful actions of Harper it would seem to me that keeping Harpers Income Trust Betrayal front and center would make sense for you guys. The media is ignoring the issue.
Consider that : Millions are still affected and still very angry at the losses ($) that Harper caused them.
Millions more are only now seeing the damage that was done as tax revenues fall. It is as bad as was predicted when Harper betrayed Canada.
Those millions directly affected are extremely motivated to get out and vote AGAINST Harper the Liar and his goons.
Given the results of the last election, it would seem to me that harnessing these votes in your favour could well represent a significant tipping point for the Liberal Party. We are talking millions of votes nationwide here.
I wish I could be there on the 20th to speak directly to Mr. Dion about this.
Since I can not be there, I hope others will do so.
Ben
You know my compulsion for neatness, Garth. I was going to be otherwise occupied that evening, pressing my socks. Martha tells me, as long as they have electrical outlets there, she’ll let me take the steam iron with me. So, there you have it … two stonies with one bird.
I had SO HOPED Harry S would be there.
My OTHER compulsion is BOTANY. Harry S offers the one advantage of being entirely organic, what with being an ornery member of the C.R.A.P./S.H.I.T.’s
Confirm, please:
St. Volodymyr Cultural Centre
1280 Dundas Street West
DUNDAS STREET = [HIGHWAY 5]
Between Trafalgar Road & Bronte Road
Oakville, Ontario, CANADA, EH?
I have, without your permission, reproduced copies of the meeting notice at your masthead. I’ve been able to produce surpisingly good quality. They will be posted at prominent locations in MY TOWN. Later, I intend to use them for political action days just prior to the next vote.
Math: 792/18=44 potential action days
I will not be representing The Church of The Universe on that night, nor will I have upon my person, any sacrament which would traditionally be offered at such an event. IT TAKES AN IRON WILL to meet that dictate.
PLEASE NOTE:
I have not yet been able to make arrangements for the sound truck which would permit a REPLAY of the conversation between Stephen Harper and Tom Zytaruk, author of Like a Rock: The Chuck Cadman Story.
It may take a little effort, but I’m sure we’ll be successful. I hope BILL-MUSKOKA can make it too.
would love to be there, but am in the Maritimes. Looking forward to hearing all about it. I hope to hear of more of these around the country, perhaps one or two in my neck of the woods. Cheers!
By david on 07.26.08 10:13 pm
How SWEET thou art! Neither a bumper nor a fender be, if you fail as a promise keeper.
I’ll be there!
I can’t wait to hear him outline his plan to start a major trade war.
I’d also like the hear him explain why he’s pushing his green shaft that will increase pollution.
S&P Puts Fannie and Freddie on Credit Watch Negative
“The agency says it could lower the credit ratings of the mortgage lenders as it reviews the risks in the final version of the Housing Reform Bill
The affirmation of the senior unsecured debt ratings reflects the strong explicit and implicit support these government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) securities hold in the marketplace,” said Standard & Poor’s credit analyst Victoria Wagner.”
http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/jul2008/pi20080725_384852.htm
Two More Banks Fail–Regulators Seize First Heritage, First National Bank of Nevada
DAMIAN PALETTA–July 27, 2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121703904765687047.html?mod=fpa_whatsnews
Which of these four is you, Harry S?
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Hi Garth
I was fortunate enough to spend about 10 minutes with Mr Dion in private while he was here in Calgary discussing the Green Shift and how it will support the creation of thousands of new jobs and how it will benefit the economy in general. How do I know this? Because this is what happening here in Alberta with Premiers Stelmachs version of dealing with Climate Change and his Emissions Management Act and it’s mandated 12% reduction coupled with the 25% reduction created by the demand for a supply of carbon offsets from the unregulated
sectors of the economy like agriculture.
The issue right now is that the Harper Plan for Climate Change will not accommodate any equivalence agreements for agricultural soils or forestry sinks as permanent offsets. The Green Shift will!
The Alberta Climate Change Plan has already put millions of dollars in farmers pockets
http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/govrel/news.cfm?story=74395
Harper wants to kill the golden goose here in ALberta and Dion’s plan will keep it alive with the dollars flowing to our farmers.
In my mind it is a no brainer but some on this forum want our money to go to the USA in import tariffs.
We know that until the technology catches up with the Alberta Legislation there will be a strong demand for credits produced by farmers and that helps the environment NOW not later -helps our rural economy by putting millions of dollars into our rural landowners pockets and help the corporate bottom line because they don’t have to pay $15 into the government tech fund -they can pay the farmer about $10 bucks(about $1.50 per acre)instead.
All created by a market based instrument Dion supports this model-Harper does NOT
I support Dion because he supports the rural economy. Harper does not.
“In Calgary I gave Stephane Dion a DVD showing that the official version of what happened on 9/11 2001 defies the laws of physics and cannot be true.
John Duddy”
Hi John,
When you pull the sheet of aluminum foil over your head…
Know what I mean?
By Mork on 07.27.08 1:46 am
Sir
If you were to invest even 30 minutes of your time INVESTIGATING instead of remaining ignorant you would quickly come to conclude that John Duddy and millions of others (as in more than 85% of Americans according to a recent poll) believe that the US Government was directly involved in 9-1-1
The choice to remain ignorant remains to be yours.
You can start here: http://www.911truth.org
There are so many FACTS that lead one to conclude the obvious that only a fool would believe otherwise.
Before you pander to foolish rhetoric and ridicule you must loose your ignorance.
The easy part is coming to realize that you have been lied to in respect to 9-1-1.
The hard part is accepting that fact and realizing the implications of the truth.
Ben
By Stan on 07.27.08 7:54 am
Will you be bringing Ollie with you? I don’t know what Garth has arranged, by way of entertainment. Maybe you and Ollie could do a soft-shoe for us.
It may take a little effort, but I’m sure we’ll be successful. I hope BILL-MUSKOKA can make it too.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.27.08 7:05 am
I am going to try. Unfortunately the meeting coincides with a major project a few days before. So time will tell.
I will be there…
I’ll be there!
I can’t wait to hear him outline his plan to start a major trade war.
I’d also like the hear him explain why he’s pushing his green shaft that will increase pollution.
By Stan on 07.27.08 7:54 am
Since Mr. Obama had announced an intended tax prior to the Green Shift being annouced, could you explain how Mr. Dion is starting a trade war? Also could you explain how the CPC plans to address this intended tax by Mr. Obama on imported tar sands oil? Is he going to allow Canadian taxpayer’s fund to go into the U.S Treasury or will he institute the $65 a tonne tax he spoke of in London, England? If he does institute this $65 a tonne tax, does he intend to lower the tax rate for Canadian taxpayers?
I see Mr. Dion as a man of great courage. To stay silent and not retaliate while the Conservatives abuse was hurled at him shows fortitude and honour. His exposure of the Harper scandals one by one shows a cunning mind. His determination cannot be faulted. His policies show promise. He has a team that has the ability to make a contribution. He and his team will/can/do make mistakes, but are flexible enough to change and honourable enough to admit to them. (well – some of them) Win or lose, this is a gentleman to be respected.
If the invitation was reversed and it was Harper I honestly would not be able to attend, my disgust for his messianic attitude sickens me. Given that chance when he was first elected PM I would have gone with an open mind. Not now. Not ever.
I used to be non-partisan. Now I think I am just desperate to see the end of Harper et al.
It would be an honour to shake Mr. Dion’s hand. Wish I could be there too.
Washington’s recent mortgage bail out….an overwhelming 72% stated it was a bad move. Prevention is indeed the best cure and it must be apparent to all that Stephen Harper had and has no vision for the future. Why waste words, Stephen Harper has never passed a mirror he does not like, and each and every day a few more new voters are waiting for change and hope for a better future while he dreams of being King and ultimate ruler of Canada.
NEXT CRISIS…CREDIT CARDS
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=5444545&page=1
Will pay for gas for a lift from Waterloo and back again. Please write to: roadtrip@mkp.ca
Oops, I’m due to be lost in the woods on the 20th at 7:30, please ignore my request for a ride.
so Stephan’s coming to Halton. woohoo.
Looks like not too many of his caucus wants to be within a country mile of him.
Particulary those poor saps trying to downplay the green shift in their byelection campaigns.
Has Stephen Harper had an open public meeting lately? — Garth
“If you were to invest even 30 minutes of your time INVESTIGATING instead of remaining ignorant you would quickly come to conclude that John Duddy and millions of others (as in more than 85% of Americans according to a recent poll) believe that the US Government was directly involved in 9-1-1.”
Ben
Don’t tell me – let me guess. This whole insider plot was orchestrated by the same people who shot the scenes in a secret studio, of the astronauts walking on the moon? No astronauts actually ever traveled to the moon, did they?
It is incredible, sobering, and frightening, that even a small percentage of the population believes the nonsense you and John are spewing.
Well said, Ben. Thank you.
Could we continue this conversation at Garth’s Public Meeting?
I am willing to go to the meeting with back-up. I invite all Garth’s
readers who are interested in the crime of the century to contact me through this site; I will send you updated DVDs
and copies of the new DVD “Truth Rising”
by Alex Jones.
I am sure Garth will give me an estimate of how many DVDs to have on hand for the Public Meeting.
Also, Thanks Mork, your tinfoil hat idea is impressive and stimulated Ben’s reply.
Has Stephen Harper had an open public meeting lately? — Garth
Have you been allowed to vote on anything of consequence lately? It seems to me time is better spent taking an interest in the running of the country, rather than filling halls with your pals.
I guess your answer is ‘no.’ — Garth
Has Stephen Harper had an open public meeting lately? — Garth
Have you been allowed to vote on anything of consequence lately? It seems to me time is better spent taking an interest in the running of the country, rather than filling halls with your pals.
I guess your answer is ‘no.’ — Garth
By richard on 07.27.08 10:48 am
Richard,
If Garth is “filling” the halls with his friends then, to his credit, he must have lot of friends.
Further to this I expect he is, in fact, making more friends each day. Courage and honesty have a wide appeal.
Let me guess, you don’t consider yourself one of Garth’s friends.
However if you want to attend they will let you in as long as you behave like an adult.
Good luck.
By Jim on 07.27.08 2:04 am
Harry S. you are always asking Garth to ask M. Dion about things, well here is your chance. Ask him yourself.
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Since I’m cutting back on my carbon footprint, I don’t want to drive my Buick all the way to Halton to just ask my one question. I’m sure you appreciate that noble gesture to planetary health.
However, Garth could just read my relevant questions to Dion, and thus help save the planet with his fairness.
Garth … are you on board with my suggestion … to read my above worthy questions to Dion ..??!!!
I’m happy to send a car. Or, in your case, a bus. — Garth
There’s just on thing I want to know:
Will there be WiFi?
By Jennifer Smith on 07.27.08 12:40 am
I’m wired for the net, should be able to share.
Which of these four is you, Harry S?
http://multimedia.thestar.com/images/2c/7a/5213366141cf855951273bbf2466.jpeg
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.27.08 8:12 am
I’d say probably the third to the right. You know the one with the little black goatee. However, did anyone notice Stevie, the one sitting to the right of Hairy, is stating to show the stress he’s subjected himself too? LOL
I am looking forward to your thread on the results of the public meeting in Halton, especially since the PM of Canada refused to debate the Green Shift plan, can’t begin to explain it, doesn’t even want try to explain it because he knows at this point that to do so would only make him look like the non – leader that he displaying. He’s betting that by ignoring it, voters will forget his lack of leadership on the economic & environmental issues we are facing right here in our own country.
I dare all you Con trolls on this fine forum to take off your blinders, attend the public meeting with an open mind & hear the Green Shift plan before knocking it. Listen to it first hand from the source it came from rather than taking the word of the PMO office & the so called Journalists. You know, the ones who can’t make themselves report ALL the facts &would rather inject a few choice words to distort the actual truth. I am beginning to understand what the term embedded means when it comes to Journalists that we are subjected to in Canadian Newspapers throughout this country. National Inquiry Style.
I wish I could afford the trip Garth but way to far & expensive to fly or drive especially after having to make a trip to MB in June when my mom was so sick & passed on.
Have a great Sunday everyone. Be Happy!
Cheers
I hope that the unequal MP representation for Ontario in the Conservative plan is not going to be forgotten in the upcoming bye-election campaign. This is so blatantly unfair it should outrage all Canadians.
Jim Muldowney
Edmonton
Here for Mork.
Directly from a G.W.Bush cabinet member.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8180123292618944278
This is video.
Open a beer, sit back and watch.
OOPS a few spelling errors but I hope you all get the drift. I failed to add all the topics that will be discussed at the Public Meeting in Halton besides the Green Shift Plan.
We could also use Public Meetings with Mr. Dion here in the west.
Regards
I’m jealous of Halton residents as usual. Their MP gets this kind of meeting set up for them, while my MP (a loyal Harper drone named Loyola Hearn) doesn’t even remember what my riding looks like.
Oh god it’s so funny reading Harry S as he backpedals in fear instead of showing up on the 20th to stand man to man with our next leader Dion and asking his questions himself.
No BALLS AT ALL huh Harry?
How pathetic yet predictable.
Mr. Turner
I realize that time is tight, but what are the chances that you could stream your town hall via this web portal?
Just a thought. I would LOVE to watch the next PM of Canada in action at a town hall. I regret that I can’t be there to shake his hand personally.
I am very impressed with Mr. Dion.
By HARRY S on 07.27.08 11:56 am
I’m happy to send a car. Or, in your case, a bus. — Garth
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Now now, Garth … wouldn’t that be polluting and wasteful to send a car from Halton to my location (which you generally know) then back to Halton and then the return trip … or do you intend to strand me in Halton after bringing me there?
Just do the right and independent thing, Garth … read my above worthy questions verbatim to Dion and give him the opportunity to respond, and you could even give it to him in advance so he can prepare a fulsome response. Surely that’s not too much to ask of you. You might be surprised .. instead of just shielding Dion from tough reality.
Just do it on behalf of your Halton constituents since you have conceded that my questions are valid and worthy through your kind invitation … udaman …!!!
wjp 9:11am
England is already looking at this problem and the only answer I hve seen so far s to write it off like a third world debt. There is approximatly 4-5 trillion dollars outstandng on credit cards world wide which will ultimately be unpayable. The worst part is that millions of people otherwise able to pay their mortgages will lose their houses if we blindly follow the rules we have now which will make a housing crises into a housing disaster like south of the border. If we follow the states and try and preserve investments ahead of people we will end up with a third or more of our population homeless. if we follow England and some other european countries and look at helping people ahead of companies we will recover in a couple of years after weeding out the cancer in our society.
About a month ago Brain and I discussed a couple of questions I posed that are at the root of he problems the world faces today. The answers reflect whether we will face a decade of hardship or just a few years. Here are the questions again if you or anyone wants to tackle them.
1/ Who is at fault, the person who takes out a mortgage they can’t really afford then defaults or the bank that issues it?
2/ Who is at fault, the person with 7 maxed out credit cards or the 6 companies that issued them after the first one was not being paid in full?
3/ Who is at fault, the person who can’t pay for the furnature or whatever or the company that gave it to them with no money down and no payments for a year?
If you take the time to answer them, think about what rules we need to change and the results of your answers. Congratulations you just solved the most basic problem underlying the whole financial crises today.
Former Member of Blair Cabinet, British, and German Cabinet minister
both have information for Mork.
Short video.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/911-truth-by-michael-meecher-uk-and-andreas-von-bulow-ger-rating/1622540413
I suggest you Google both these respected leaders and research their opinions further.
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND QUACKS LIKE A DUCK…THEN USUALLY IT IS….
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080721/tories_ads_080721?s_name=&no_ads=
Do you think I could expect an answer from an important Canadian Opposition Leader now that a majority of US citizens do not believe the official tale? I would not fly there to be ignored as I have experienced since I brought this to the attention of the Liberal Party when leader Bill Graham agreed to get back to me after I gave him the book “Global Outlook”.
By John Duddy on 07.26.08 10:45 pm
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Dear John, timing is everything in politics and much else in life.
In this case, trust the American People will do the right thing(s). First the election this Fall must be completed, and then the inauguration in Jan.’09. After that, the American Bar Assoc. in conjunction with others in their society will file the appropriate charges against those who have broken their laws and violated their constitution. This route has been selected as more effective and less devisive than would impeachment proceedings.
Unlike the J.F.Kennedy Assassination mysteries, I think you will see a thorough investigation and debunking of this terrible 9/11 event. Have faith and keep the material for future reference, brother.
That was your best-ever post. We’d love to have the PMO. Really. — Garth
By HARRY S on 07.26.08 9:50 pm
Cryptic .
By Men With Hats on 07.26.08 10:53 pm
Elucidating….Revealing….more apt!
While the environment is an important issue, the issue in Ontario is the economy…out in Alberta, things are wonderful we hear, although Mr. Harper may have over estimated the income from Alberta as he tries to buy votes in Ontario and Quebec, thus a deficit.
Billions poured in Ontario, 1.3 billion more for Quebec and 623 million for 3 provinces in the west…and the west was worried about Dion shifting money from the west to the east? I think it is Harper who is doing that after all, Alberta is safe for him no matter what he does, right?
I just got a 10 percenter from Rob Anders. Please encourage him to keep it up.
It’s so good to hear from somebody who’s actually been in the room and allowed to vote when the nation’s business is being done.
In any case, Garth, thanks for your support of the government agenda. It’s been another good year.
Mr. Anders called Nelson Mandella a terrorist, then refused to take his phone call to discuss. Congratulations on your hero. — Garth
OT
People, PLEASE, if you come up to the Muskoka realize the Muskoka River is a major fast flowing waterway, and swimming around the hydro facilities is a DEATH WISH.
We have had THREE young people drown in the past 36 hours here.
Toronto teen’s body recovered
The body of a 16-year-old Toronto boy has been found after he disappeared under water during an afternoon swim with friends in Muskoka.
Bracebridge Ontario Provincial Police say Josue Sabastian Perez was taking a dip with a group of friends shortly before 4 p.m. on Saturday near Wilson Falls in the north branch of the Muskoka River.
…
This was the first of two fatal water incidents on the Muskoka River on Saturday.
Matthew Janssen, 20, of St. Anns died while cliff jumping in the south branch of the river an hour after Perez was reported missing. The second victim was jumping with friends off a high cliff west of Hwy. 11.
By William Dahl on 07.27.08 12:59 pm
1 & 2 BOTH
3…The individual
I say that because the lenders in 1 & 2 have the ability to zero in on the credit of the individual and therefore seem to have some liability whereas the furniture store can only rely on the rating from the credit bureau. Of course the individual bears the greatest responsibility. No one is twisting one’s arm to avail themselves of goods and services on time with the exception of emergency situations. Generally buying a new car, or loading up on the latest technology gadgets does not qualify as an emergency. Regulations for lending however need to be tightened to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Ultimately when the individual defaults however, it is the shareholders that bear the debt and should not be the government. (taxpayer)
Bailing out institutions as they are doing in the U.S., and printing money is not the solution, they are only digging themselves in deeper in the long term. As a former trader, your first loss is always the cheapest, and cutting losses and running profits is the name of the game. If you cannot see that, then you shouldn’t be playing.
Equity loans on real estate, if not put back into capitol improvements on that residence, should be outlawed. I know too many in the U.S. who having been financing their lifestyle on the real estate bubble and now regret it.
I am sure there are many things the banking regulators could do that are only common sense. It’s like driving a car with a cellphone in one hand and a sandwich in the other, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that this is an accident waiting to happen…
I’d love to come, but alas, no transportation. The vehicle is parked permanently with no insurance. All you people who get to go, please report back. This sucks because I’m sitting on the fence come the fall election and I want to be tipped one way or another. No no, I’m not even hinting at CRAP, that goes without saying eh.
In the meantime peeps, check this out will you. It’s an outrage. Stop the Merkins from using our public land to demonstrate their war making machinery.
Secure Canada 2008? Oy vey!
http://verbena19.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/us-embassy-plans-arms-show-in-ottawa-despite-1989-ban/
Hmm…Builk? Long Drive? Could Harry actually be Del Maestro in his Boat?
“As you can see, I’ve asked Dion to come to Halton and go live with me.”
I read that at first as go LiVE with me not go lIve with me. Duh, gotta be careful, rumours would fly. LOL
I’ll be there in spirit cheering the team to victory .
Choose wisely.Vote Liberal
Builk should have been Buick, but with him in it Builk sounds right! LOL
By richard on 07.27.08 1:29 pm
Wrong Richard, MP that belong to a party, any party are not allowed to vote, they are told how to vote, there is a difference…so don’t be too proud of Mr. Anders who is wasting the taxpayers money by sending out 10% ers. If he is your MP, send him your e-mail address and ask him to send you the information by e-mail. That way you won’t be paying for it.
By Molly on 07.27.08 1:55 pm
If you are in Burlington or Oakville, i would be happy to pick you up…
By Ben on 07.27.08 12:40 pm
Oh god it’s so funny reading Harry S as he backpedals in fear instead of showing up on the 20th to stand man to man with our next leader Dion and asking his questions himself.
No BALLS AT ALL huh Harry?
How pathetic yet predictable.
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Actually I’ve been asking a Liberal MP in a nearby riding if Dion was going to visit, but I get no answer. You can bet if Dion comes anywhere near me, he will get questioned .. in both official languages too..!!!
Maybe it’s Dion who doesn’t have the ‘balls’ to come to my neck of the woods.
Kyoto Carbon Credits in 2012 … yes or no ..???
By HARRY S on 07.26.08 11:41 pm
Now, now Harry – you have some outstanding questions to answer – are you afraid? Is Harry a chicken? Seems so. Now this pretend rough tough cream puff is skirting the issue of going to the Dion meeting…LOL.
Harry, we’re still waiting – you cannot expect to be answered unless you are willing to answer yourself…chicken.
I wish I could go on the 20th of Aug, but I can’t – distance and work is a problem to reach there by 7:30, but he was in my little town recently and went over really well.
Garth, Thank you for the invite. Sorry, I will have to pass this one up for personal reasons. Hopefully, you will be able to arrange other such events in the GTA in the near future, especially towards the East.
I hope that the unequal MP representation for Ontario in the Conservative plan is not going to be forgotten in the upcoming bye-election campaign. This is so blatantly unfair it should outrage all Canadians.
Jim Muldowney
Edmonton
By Jim Muldowney on 07.27.08 12:17 pm
What the f–k are you going on about Muldowney ?
Please explain or provide a link .
How you dumbass Liberals expect to be taken seriously when can’t even spell the name of the venue correctly is beyond comprehension.
“St. Vlod’s”?Try researching before publishing.
St. Volodymyr Cultural Centre, known locally as St. Vlod’s. — Garth
By Jim Muldowney on 07.27.08 12:17 pm
ITEM #2 on my list, Jim … after income trusts … just before the environment.
PVL and Stevie want to “screw us” to the tune of 11 seats. We’re entitled to 21 seats, rep. by pop., and they will permit 10. We will “screw them,” the forty-one compliant, silent lambs, when we vote.
Flim-Flam Dim-Jim Flaherty, along with Pierre Poi-Poi Boticelli Boy Poiliever, bad-mouthed Ontario. BOTH WILL BE GONE!
Richard: Anders isn’t “allowed” to vote. His vote is dictated to him by the Great Dictator himself.
Harry: Dion is attending a public forum. No shields. You are refusing to attend to ask your own questions–looks like you are the one who thinks he needs the shield.
Richard: Was Anders one of those who voted no confidence in Elections Canada? Of course he was. And did he inform you that he will not be seeking re-election because he has no confidence in Elections Canada?If not, then he is a hypocrite.
He must have confidence in
Elections Canada if he is going to follow their processes. So why did he not resign if he believed Elections Canada was not a worthy overseer of Elections.?
Anders is told how to vote and when to vote. Even if it is hypocritical.
Central bank to take riskier assets as collateral
Whew, that was close. Here I thought that the Canadian taxpayers would be on the hook for these ABCP’s that they can’t seem to convince anyone to buy. We sure “dodged” the bullet on that one. Good thing the Mark stepped up, huh? Good ting the Liberals allowed Flaherty to give him those un limited powers, huh? He needed them, and will use them
going forward 
Fellow Canadians, I congratulate you for being right on top of tings. Don’t let anybody call you stupid Hosers. Why, why that’s almost like a hate crime ain’t it? At the very least it can be made into a case of cyber-bullying. Call in the layers.
Now all those other tings…the liar’s mortgages, the deceptive contracts, the bundling up of worthless toxic paper into products pushed onto the taxpayers of other countries, the socializing of debt and bundling of Jumbo mortgages….why, why, that ain’t a crime now is it? That’s business boy! I say, I say again, that’s business – we get money for nothing, and the debts are yours for free.
Sarcasm Alert! The above post may contain sarcastic elements which don’t translate well over the Internet. Callous apathy leading to harmful consequences may be referenced obliquely, but can be safely ignored in your usual manner as you really didn’t give a damm and still haven’t realized how it pertains to you.
Garth, the Globe & Mail is getting on your case again…
Yesterday’s news. — Garth
by MORK 07.27.08 10:34AM
“Mork”, your behavior of knee-jerk fear, re: John and Ben’s comments, is palpable. You instantly stomped on them. Their behavior is that of concern, and I dare say guts, considering a comment from skittish people like you. You probably were shooting for a laugh, but considering a number of top officials in the U.S. agree, I think your smooth-edge hat isn’t working. In 2000, Richard Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Lewis Libby and Don Rumsfeld’s report: Rebuilding America’s Defenses, promoted American “hegemony” and “Full-spectrum” dominance. A fundamental proposition by them was to maintain US pre-eminence, thwarting rival powers and shape the global security system according to US interests [SPP comes to mind]. It’s their agenda of US military expansionism. Despite negative side effects for ordinary citizens while enriching some industries, they state: “defense contractors” will be handsomely paid by tax revenues for arming this new American empire.
The Preface of Rebuilding America’s Defenses, states their aims to:
Establish Four Core Missions for the U.S. military:
-defend the American homeland
-fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars
-perform the “constabulary” duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions
-transform U.S. forces to exploit the “revolution in military affairs”
The report also states: “the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”
“A new Pearl Harbor”. What catalyzing event soon thereafter would expediate the efforts of these power-hungry, greedy, impatient, narrow-minded men?
We’ve know fear is used as a tactic. Consider that many wise men throughout history have warned that this sort of behavior was going to rear it’s ugly head, again and again.
Take 2 mins. to view Republican Pres. Eisenhower
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.html
And then read a quick view on his republicans:
http://tinyurl.com/3gl8cw
Don’t malign so quickly.
I’m not jumping on any band wagons, but I know who I don’t believe these days. I certainly don’t trust these guys
http://tinyurl.com/2rp4c
I wish I could afford the trip Garth but way to far & expensive to fly or drive especially after having to make a trip to MB in June when my mom was so sick & passed on.
Have a great Sunday everyone. Be Happy!
Cheers
By Irene on 07.27.08 12:13 pm
Please accept my sincere condolences.
Gord
Great move Garth.
Be careful is the neo-con nuts try to disrupt it.
Attack the CONS. They are getting off very easily in the media.
Molly on 07.27.08 1:55 pm
From the link you supplied followed by two more.
The upcoming U.S.-government sponsored arms bazaar is one part of a much larger military trade event called “Secure Canada 2008.” This exhibition is actually three separate arms shows in one. It promises to be the biggest, international war-industry exposition in Ottawa since ARMX ‘89.
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http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2008/02/18/the-harper-school-of-leadership/#comment-125541
02.18.08
The $12T in cash accounts desperately looking for an investment will turn to the old standby, war. I said that last year and over the last 12 moths there`s been a noticeable global buildup of arms.
Do you really believe politicians don`t know long in advance that war is inevitable as the global economy slows. Well if they don`t you can bet your bomb shelter the smart money does and bullets are a prime investment.
got rope? on 02.18.08 3:21 pm
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http://poppavox.blogspot.com/
October 20, 2007
War as a Business
Common in all wars and particular to the next big one the prominent result of buildup to fighting a war has a common thread. War creates jobs, these jobs create consumers who consume everything from bullets to body bags.
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http://poppavox.blogspot.com/
October 20, 2007
War as an Investment
There has been quite a flight to cash, in the trillions with tens of trillions of global investment money at risk. The obvious and very probable viable investment vehicle as used countless times in history is war.
by WILLIAM DAHL 07.27.08 12:59PM
William, in every case both parties are at fault. The difference is the consumer relied on “experts” but the experts were not watched closely enough and often let loose to prey on their victims.
Unsuspecting consumers are bred by ignorance, and lay unprotected by a wrong-thinking governments who soften rules, and let wolves guard the hen house.
That makes a third party at fault too. All of us, for electing fools who suffer from greedy, manipulative, corrupt cronyism and horribly wrong-thinking ideologies.
I suggest before any non-Calgarians make further comment to the suspicious character “Richard”, you go to the website about our Calgary “MP” he speaks of so highly:
http://www.voteoutanders.com/index2.shtml
It’ll crack you up. Take the quiz.
Well given the responses that Stephane Dion gave on QP with Bob Fife today, don’t expect any open and honest answers from Stephane Dion in this open house. So it tells me that Stephane Dion has something to hide with this Green Shaft Tax.
Maybe it’s Dion who doesn’t have the ‘balls’ to come to my neck of the woods.
By HARRY S on 07.27.08 2:05 pm
Harry, we’re still waiting – you cannot expect to be answered unless you are willing to answer yourself…chicken.
By slg on 07.27.08 2:06 pm
I think it is quite evident who the coward is and everyone on this blog knows it. Anyone who insults women and makes bigoted comments and threatens the Leader of the Opposition and then crawls away when given the opportunity to ask his questions in public has outed himself. His assumptions at the end of most of his posts are so offside that for the most part he has been relegated to silence…which is where he belongs…free to print his rants but also to be ignored…
Re: The G&M post that I and others posted on, Garth said:
Done already. Do try to keep up. — Garth
Serious question – when was it “done”? Can you link to your comment on it? Honestly, I’d be interested in reading it.
What the f–k are you going on about Muldowney ?
Please explain or provide a link .
By Men With Hats on 07.27.08 2:10 pm
I think you misunderstood Jim’s point.
WJP 1:54pm
Good comments, especially the one on shareholders bearing brunt of bad, greedy business decisions rather than the taxpayer. Ironically, after encouraging the public to go into ridiculous amounts of debt the U.S. is taking the only wrong answer as its direction and piling that debt back onto whats left of their tax paying base.
As you pointed out clearly questions one and two which all governments are facing now are a fine balance. If too much blame is placed on the individual we get the results of the states, an out of control collapse, feeding on itself. If too much of the blame is put on business then the bad companies collapse quickly and the rest are weakened with the net result of high unemployment and its ramifications. I think your point of the banks and private sector finding solutions is the best but only if we have a government prepared to protect the people first and back industry solutions to acheive that goal. No large government plan other than tax shifting like the liberal one can do much at this point.
I disagree completely with you on question three from personal experiance in running a couple of small busnesses in my life. While I would agree that anything purchased under this or any similar type of agreement should be returned ASAP any business using this as a sales gimmick should be 100% responsible for any downside. This is especially true if you GIVE AWAY a product you don’t own outright with just a promise to pay in the future. I have witnissed first hand a company coming all the way up here to reposess stock that was unpaid for and then sueing the business owner for stock given away with this kind of deal. This was despite the fact that the value was not much more than the plane ticket. Probably 80% of the business failures here have involved some sort of hair brained give away scheme before they went under and I suspect it is similar everywhere else. The worst part is that if a supplier or manufacturer has enough customers go under because of this they go under too putting many innocent people out of work.
The good news is that now that the MSM are finally talking about the root causes of this disaster. We are finally near the bottom and whatever solutions our governments and businesses take will determine how steep and how long the climb on the way back will be.
Maybe it’s Dion who doesn’t have the ‘balls’ to come to my neck of the woods.
By HARRY S on 07.27.08 2:05 pm
I actually laughed aloud at this idiotic comment made by our resident malignant coward, Harry S.
Unbelievably, Harry actually wants to believe that Dion is afraid of a ball-less wimp (Harry) who comes to garth.ca to insult and spout anonymously while hiding behind his keyboard.
And when the opportunity finally comes to step forth like a MAN and confront his apparent nemesis (a man who he calls a wimp no less!) he tucks tail and runs like a scared puppy!
This is about the most pathetic display of unmitigated cowardice I have ever seen online or offline.
I am taking bets that Harry S sleeps with the light off and NEVER looks under the bed. And if a door slams in the night he wets the bed.
What a hoot, watching Harry implode in fear!!!! This one will come back again and again Harry, every time you spout off stupidly you will be asked “Harry, why didn’t you stand up like a man and ask Dion yourself when you had the chance?”
And you will come up with lame excuse after lame excuse.
Bwaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaaaa! What a gutless little man.
OMG this is just priceless!
I’ll be there!
I can’t wait to hear him outline his plan to start a major trade war.
I’d also like the hear him explain why he’s pushing his green shaft that will increase pollution.
By Stan on 07.27.08 7:54 am
LOL – almost verbatim to what Baird said…..unbelievable. You actually believe this guy?
Harry S – where do you live??
I hope that the unequal MP representation for Ontario in the Conservative plan is not going to be forgotten in the upcoming bye-election campaign. This is so blatantly unfair it should outrage all Canadians.
By Jim Muldowney on 07.27.08 12:17 pm
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That is right up there with Fliperty’s “Don’t invest in Ontario” comments. It is rank outright discrimination, lest we forget! The next federal election results will be a form of redistribution I am willing to bet!
Canada does NOT need American Weapons Manufactures to ‘make it secure.’ We are secure because we are a civilized nation.
What complete crock pof War Mongering BULLSHIT! UPHOLD the law and stop their parade NOW!
What the f–k are you going on about Muldowney ?
Please explain or provide a link .
By Men With Hats on 07.27.08 2:10 p
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The reference is to the biased unfair seat redistribution implemented by Harper, et al. Under redistribution, Ontario should be given more seats than Harper alotted. This is another form of neo-con discrimination and in violation of the redistribution formula contained in Federal Law. But we in Ontaryhairyhoho will do our own redistributions in the ballot box come next election!
That was your best-ever post. We’d love to have the PMO. Really. — Garth
By HARRY S on 07.26.08 9:50 pm
Cryptic .
By Men With Hats on 07.26.08 10:53 pm
Elucidating….Revealing….more apt!
By Essential Reductions….. on 07.27.08 1:18 pm
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Garth has a unique sense of humour .. whereas Asshat is devoid of the human touch mired in his personal misery.
Garth’s humanity sets him apart from the trools like Asshat and that ilk.
Really, Garth … you honour me by saying that I am attached to the PMO …. and meanwhile all the forum trools want me banned!! You are obviously my guardian angel on your fine forum.
Guardian Angel ? Hardly .Garth allows you to keep posting because he has
a ,finely tuned, sense of humour and you are so stupid you provide laughs on a daily basis with your asinine positions .
Now we know you for the gutless coward you really are .
Garth … even though you phonetically write it “Vlod”, Ukrainians pronounce it “Volod” even though they may pass over the first “o” quickly.
The correct shortened spelling would be “St. Volod” because “vlod” is Transylvanian spelling or something.
Here is the google map on St. Volod:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
I’m not Ukrainian. — Garth
What the f–k are you going on about Muldowney ?
Please explain or provide a link .
By Men With Hats on 07.27.08 2:10 pm
I think you misunderstood Jim’s point.
By wjp on 07.27.08 4:30 pm
Certainly . I didn’t / don’t understand
what he is talking about .
That is why I requested an explanation or a link .
There was no previous discussion on the board .
Confused .
The reference is to the biased unfair seat redistribution implemented by Harper, et al. Under redistribution, Ontario should be given more seats than Harper alotted. This is another form of neo-con discrimination and in violation of the redistribution formula contained in Federal Law. But we in Ontaryhairyhoho will do our own redistributions in the ballot box come next election!
By Essential Reductions….. on 07.27.08 5:07 pm
Thanks ER . Now I understand . With no previous reference I was lost .
Now I agree with Mr. Muldowney .
I thought seats were given per population ?
I’m not Ukrainian. — Garth
By HARRY S on 07.27.08 5:25 pm
And Hairy ain’t too bright .
St. Volodymyr Cultural Centre, known locally as St. Vlod’s. — Garth
Sorry, The Ukrainian shortened form for
Volodymyr is “Vlad” not “Vlod”
Does anyone care? Anyway, Harry says you’re an idiot. — Garth
Instead of going to Halton to explain his greenshift plan, M. Dion would be well advised to come North where I am right now, in Pond Inlet, Nunavut, and see the large amount of ice still in the water, even at the end of July. The people up here put no confidence in Al Gore’s pseudo-science, and see the people down south who believe him as gullible and naive.
It is the same in the Cumberland Sound area near Pangnirtung, Nunavut. There are huge amounts of ice that have made it impossible to get out into the boats until much later than usual this summer.
Also, David Suzuki is not a pure scientist, but a pantheist whose undergirding beliefs are more religious than scientific. No matter what false image is given to the David Suzuki Foundation as a foundation of science, anybody who investigates the true nature of his beliefs will find them to be, at the core level, more religious and spiritual than scientific.
The people who actually live on the land up here call it “junk science,” and it would be better if more people were to come up here to see for themselves what is going on than to simply watch movies about the drowning polar bears, etc., which is another hoax that only the gullible are believing.
The only thing that this myth provides is a basis for the green shift tax grab which will ruin the economy in going after an environmental phantom that is more religious than scientific.
The current redistribution, based on population increases and shifts determined by the 2001 census, will add seven districts (and seats), including three for Ontario, two for British Columbia and two for Alberta. This will bring the total number of seats to 308.The current redistribution, based on population increases and shifts determined by the 2001 census, will add seven districts (and seats), including three for Ontario, two for British Columbia and two for Alberta. This will bring the total number of seats to 308.The current redistribution, based on population increases and shifts determined by the 2001 census, will add seven districts (and seats), including three for Ontario, two for British Columbia and two for Alberta. This will bring the total number of seats to 308.
So as I read this Ontario gains 3,Alberta 2, and BC 2 ,
Do we not now have a 308, seat Parliament ?
Everything I have read states these rules are carved in stone and Harpo has no choice byt to follow the letter of the law .
By John Ralt on 07.27.08 4:30 pm
Read through the last couple of threads, you will find it….
By Men With Hats on 07.27.08 6:17 pm
They have changed the rules and while I am not an expert on this topic I believe Ontario has lost 10 seats that it should have gained…by virtue of their increased population. Maybe Jim has more information on this…
Remember when three-year-old Johnny examined his testicles during bathtime, asked Mom if these were his brains and she replied “Not yet”?
Like a fine wine aging gracefully,
so Johnny is now older and wiser . . .
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Daddy’s car in the woods?
Little Johnny watched his daddy’s car pass by the school playground and go into the woods.
Curious, he followed the car and saw Daddy and Aunt Jane in a passionate embrace.
Little Johnny found this so exciting that he could hardly contain himself as he ran home and started to tell his mother.
‘Mummy, I was at the playground and I saw Daddy’s car go into the woods with Aunt Jane.
‘I went back to look and he was giving Aunt Jane a big kiss, and then he helped her take off her shirt.
‘Then Aunt Jane helped Daddy take his pants off, then Aunt Jane . . .’
At this point Mummy cut him off and said, ‘Johnny, this is such an interesting story, let’s save the rest of it for supper time.
‘I want to see the look on Daddy’s face when you tell it tonight.’
At the dinner table that evening, Mummy asked little Johnny to tell his story. Johnny started his story.
‘I was at the playground and I saw Daddy’s car go into the woods with Aunt Jane.
‘I went back to look and he was giving Aunt Jane a big kiss, then he helped her take off her shirt.
‘Then Aunt Jane helped Daddy take his pants off, then Aunt Jane and Daddy started doing the same thing that Mummy and Uncle Bill used to do when Daddy was away on the rigs.’
Mummy fainted!
Moral: Sometimes you need to just shut the f*#k up and listen to the whole story before you interrupt!
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Out of the mouths of babes!
WW from The Okanagan Sunday:
“Old age is no place for sissies.” — Bette Davies
I’m not going there, that’s for sure!
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. . . Transylvanian . . .
hairbrained fracture of the second follicle hairless, 5:25 pm
At last! Now hairy’s true identity is revealed for all to see — Crown Prince Vlad Tepes, a.k.a. Vlad the Impaler, came from that part of the world, around the 14th or 15th century (not sure when).
This is the person on whom the legend of Count Dracula is based. Sometime in the late 19th- or early 20th century, his grave was dug up and — there was nothing in it.
Truth is stranger than fiction, and hairy is stranger than truth!
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Harry S – where do you live??
slg, 4:54 pm
honkytonkhairy was made up from spare parts as an experiment in a steel mill. The experiment failed badly.
He is rusting out, and needs a LIBERAL dose of 3-in-1 Oil, combined with WD-40 to clear the squeaks which come from the white space between his ears!
The only thing that this myth provides is a basis for the green shift tax grab which will ruin the economy in going after an environmental phantom that is more religious than scientific.
By Polar Resident on 07.27.08 6:14 pm
If this is so, why is Harper proposing a $65 a tonne tax…and why is Obama proposing to tax Canadian imports from the oil sands…and if Harper doesn’t tax it first, our tax dollars will be going into the U.S. Treasury…have they all gone mad…??? Do you think when Harper’s tax goes into effect, there will be offsetting income tax reductions?
Vlod? Vlad? Ah, if some of the CRAP Trolls, or especially a PMO Front Bencher show up, there will be a re-enactment of Count Vlad. How appropriate…and all is needed is words.
Seems the Income Trust issue is being ignored by Dion. All those meetings across the country in town halls with thousands of seniors expecting help from a Liberal government…and now not a word. After Seniors were betrayed by Harper, John McCallum announced a Liberal 10% refundable tax that would restore much of our losses. But now not a peep on Income Trusts from any Liberals and nothing on the Victory site. Maybe it’s time to talk to Elizabeth May and see if she still supports seniors. Dion seems more obsessed with his Green Shift than the real plight of Canadian Seniors that were savagely ravaged by Harper.
Come to my meeting and ask him. Simple. — Garth
I wish I could afford the trip Garth but way to far & expensive to fly or drive especially after having to make a trip to MB in June when my mom was so sick & passed on.
Have a great Sunday everyone. Be Happy!
Cheers
By Irene on 07.27.08 12:13 pm
Please accept my sincere condolences.
Gord
By Gord on 07.27.08 3:38 pm
I wish I could afford the trip Garth but way to far & expensive to fly or drive especially after having to make a trip to MB in June when my mom was so sick & passed on.
Have a great Sunday everyone. Be Happy!
Cheers
By Irene on 07.27.08 12:13 pm
Please accept my sincere condolences.
Gord
By Gord on 07.27.08 3:38 pm
And mine also Irene.
“You probably were shooting for a laugh…
on 07.27.08 3:35 pm
Don’t malign so quickly….
I’m not jumping on any band wagons, but I know who I don’t believe these days. I certainly don’t trust these guys…”
Barb the proof-reader
I was ridiculing the ridiculous. Anyone who honestly believes that the current US administration planned and executed the events of 911 is seriously mentally challenged. People who believe this because they read it on the internet, will likely also believe most of the following:
The Loch Ness Monster, Ogopogo, and sasquachs exist
Elvis is still alive
Ghosts exist
Barack Obama is a Muslim
OJ was innocent
The moonwalks were filmed in a studio
The holocaust was a hoax
Psychics
Astrology
Crop circles
Alien abductions
Etc. etc. etc.
Anyone who honestly believes that even one of the above is true – well, see my previous post for instructions on how to smooth the edge of your tin foil cap.
I hope that the unequal MP representation for Ontario in the Conservative plan is not going to be forgotten in the upcoming bye-election campaign. This is so blatantly unfair it should outrage all Canadians.
By Jim Muldowney on 07.27.08 12:17 pm
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That is right up there with Fliperty’s “Don’t invest in Ontario” comments. It is rank outright discrimination, lest we forget! The next federal election results will be a form of redistribution I am willing to bet!
By Essential Reductions….. on 07.27.08 4:55 pm
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Hey another play right out of the Republican book down south, think Texas and Delay…..gah.
Rather curious that folk argue over what the price of oil is now, what it may go to ($250-$500 / brl.), and now this report, which says that it could tumble to $50 / brl.
Doesn’t include the untapped reserves in the Arctic, South America or Africa. It also doesn’t specify what will happen when the last drop has been squeezed out of this planet.
Part of one para. follows:
“. . . over the next twelve months, from mid-2008 to mid-2009, (1) news of super giant oil fields, ready to produce, would be announced for two locations, in the Northern Slopes of Russia and in Indonesia, which oil fields would together contain more oil reserves than the entire Middle East; (2) that this news would drive oil prices down to $50/barrel; (3) that OPEC countries, especially in the Middle East, would be bankrupted by this price decrease; (4) that this would cause the financing of our foreign trade and current account deficits through purchases of treasury paper by foreign nations with their surplus oil profits to collapse, leading to the collapse of the dollar; (5) that the collapse of the dollar would cause unprecedented financial strife and turmoil in the US, and that it would take many years for the US to recover from this financial debacle; (6) that they (big oil) support John McCain for President; and (7) that US domestic oil reserves would never be tapped, and that any legislation which might allow domestic reserves to be tapped would not be allowed to pass, leaving the US dependent on foreign oil forever.”
http://tinyurl.com/6z5h2q
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Bell and Telus will supposedly change ‘net rules in 2010, taking full effect in 2012; the NAU takes effect in 2012.
Now this from Europe, primarily France and Sweden. Sarkozy (France), along with others already panders to Israel, but the main point is that the NWO will be able to freely snoop on ‘net users worldwide, keeping tabs on us while removing all the freedoms and rights we enjoy now away.
Big Brother — is this what George Orwell was referring to?
http://tinyurl.com/6g4gfh
There’s irony there, folks
George W Bush, one of the weakest presidents in U.S. history has seemingly performed one of the greatest coverups in U.S. history. Imagine how his administration was able to so successfully carry off, and cover up, the whole 9/11 thing.
I’d imagine the conspiracy nutters are Osama Bin Laden’s worst nightmare; he pulls off a pretty spectacular event and they’re trying to hand credit to Bushie.
You’ve gotta love the conspiracy set!
Garth …. another question that you can ask Dion on my behalf has come to mind.
“If a Carbon Tax is intended to motivate cutting back on GHG emissions, why bother compromising that objective with an income tax credit? Isn’t that self-defeating?”
Ask him yourself. You live in the GTA, right? — Garth
I saw David Suzuki tell a class of school children that he is an atheist.
Following is what he said in an interview with Ingrid Just in Australia.
Where do people get the idea that his knowledge and wisdom are based in religion? Satellite views of artic ice decline cannot be denied.
Reporter: Martin Powley
Presenter: Ingrid Just
“I’m not a climatologist. I follow the Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change,” he said. “The best scientific evidence we have now says climate change is happening and that the human imprint is undeniable. This has nothing to do with religion or emotion; this is what the scientific community is saying.”
If the question on the issue of the Liberal position on Income Trusts has been asked at previous town hall meetings,as suggested above, wouldn’t it be appropriate for the Liberals to post their position somewhere? accessible to those who may not be able to attend? I can’t see why the only means to find out what the Liberals would do on the issue is to attend in person. Keep in mind that the number of folks who attend one of the public meetings is an almost infinetisimal percentage of the population.
Where does everyone else go to see what Stephane says on the issue?
The policy was promoted in a press release, in a media conference with the leader on Bay Street, in a series of town hall meetings (a dozen of which I gave), on network television, and posted on the Lib web site. What do you want, a skywriter? — Garth
“Maybe it’s Dion who doesn’t have the ‘balls’ to come to my neck of the woods.
By HARRY S on 07.27.08 2:05 pm”
You underestimate Dion and overestimate yourself Harry S…. Dion has got the balls to go to Calgary during the stampede to debate and discuss The Green Shift.
“By Polar Resident on 07.27.08 6:14 pm”
Your posting clearly shows your lack of intellect and inability to deal with rational thought. You must be a Harper bot supporter.
Sorry, The Ukrainian shortened form for
Volodymyr is “Vlad” not “Vlod”
Does anyone care? Anyway, Harry says you’re an idiot. — Garth
By Bocanut on 07.27.08 6:02 pm
Ziiiiiiing !
Irony of ironies
In the age of the internet, with most information a few keystrokes away, the only way to find out what the Liberal leadership believe on an issue is to physically travel to one of their PR events and raise the question in person.
Bad news for the other 99.99999% of the population.
Even worse new if you want to talk to the Conservative leader. — Garth
And so unnecessary; there’s nothing to prevent the Liberals from setting up an area on their website with very specific poitions on the various issues Canadians keep asking about. What’s the problem?
As to your reference to the Conservatives I’m not convinced trying to cover up a poor effort on your part by claiming others are even worse is a winning strategy; it doesn’t inspire confidence. At the end of the day a “public meeting/town hall meeting” is best left for specific issues impacting on a fairly small area and the local populace.
Dion has had 18 public, open, free-to-all meetings in five provinces in 32 days. Many more to come. Only an insanely partisan person would conclude his efforts are lacking. — Garth
Garth …. another question that you can ask Dion on my behalf has come to mind.
“If a Carbon Tax is intended to motivate cutting back on GHG emissions, why bother compromising that objective with an income tax credit? Isn’t that self-defeating?”
Ask him yourself. You live in the GTA, right? — Garth
By HARRY S on 07.27.08 7:50 pm
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You know I don’t live in the GTA, Garth … so why are you misleading everybody here?
You advocate an internet-based political community, yet you refuse to accept valid questions that could be put to Dion on August 20th from the internet.
Why are you shielding Dion from tough questioning about his Green Shift, the carbon tax, the Kyoto treaty and the Kyoto compliance act?
Quoting you:
“This web site is your portal to action and influence for Middle Class Canadians: contact Garth Turner’s Help Centre for assistance dealing with federal government matters, and participate in votes that send your opinions and views directly to Ottawa. Understand that principles matter, and are worth taking action to defend. Become part of Garth Turner’s advocacy for Middle Class Canadians – it’s about empowerment for the rest of us – and together we might even have some fun!”
Why can’t you make your weblog a true ‘portal’ and ask Dion the questions I have posted here.
And how many people, at a guess, would you say actually attended? (Keep in mind we’re a nation of 33 million plus people).
As to whether or not his “efforts are lacking” the point is that these intimate little get-togethers don’t even impact on an minute percentage of the population, particularly if one of his caucus is telling people to ask Dion in person whenever they have a question. The issue is mostly what the point is to having Stephane wandering around pressing the flesh when it won’t do much to advance the level of debate.
As to someone being “an insanely partisan person” you’re probably not the person to toss that out.
You’re so jealous your words bleed. — Garth
“Why can’t you make your weblog a true ‘portal’ and ask Dion the questions I have posted here.
By HARRY S on 07.27.08 9:43 pm”
Why not have some balls and ask him yourself in person?
Mork.
Anyone who believes etc…
How about the former head of StarWars for 2 US presidents, interceptor pilot,
101 combat missions in Vietnam, Phd. in space technology etc?
Did you see the Morgan Reynolds video I sent? Right out of the Bush cabinet.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900065571556128674
Or do you keep denying the obvious in order to have me send more links for Garth’s readers, just to reinforce my point?
Please Google Dr. Bob Bowman and educate yourself.
Why can’t you make your weblog a true ‘portal’ and ask Dion the questions I have posted here.
By HARRY S on 07.27.08 9:43 pm
That would be an interesting situation. Do you think David Anderson MP would post a question and answer from our PM on why he has failed to restore investor confidence in Canada or why the Conservatives only have the talent to get tough on crime and not ability to even recognize the root cause. Better yet why is the PM backing the global arms race, can he not come up with an option to armed global conflict. He`s another, other than reducing the global population faster than starving billions is there any other purpose to expanding the arms race to include Canada.
Armed conflict under the nuclear canopy could and probably would have consequences far greater than just trading lives for profit.
I`m sure Mr. Anderson would appreciate you asking these questions to the PM on his blog. when he answers let me know and I`ll pop over to read it.
Thanks Harry,
Be brave, Robert
Desperation is so pathetic. And all that money wasted on ads claiming that Dion is not a leader. Bawhahahaha.
If you are in Burlington or Oakville, i would be happy to pick you up…
By wjp on 07.27.08 2:02 pm
Thanks that’s sweet, but I’m in neither of those cities. I’ll try and interest a few of my neighbours who drive. Thanks again.
Rather curious that folk argue over what the price of oil is now, what it may go to ($250-$500 / brl.), and now this report, which says that it could tumble to $50 / brl.
Doesn’t include the untapped reserves in the Arctic, South America or Africa. It also doesn’t specify what will happen when the last drop has been squeezed out of this planet. ………………….
By Charles Oxley on 07.27.08 7:09 pm
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Charlie man, you need to read more and think about what developments are under way.
First, There is more shale oil in the state of Colorado than all of the rest of the World’ conventional reserves put together, BUT it is far more expensive to extract.
Second, there are current research projects under way here in Canada and elsewhere that involve growing algae in water on slash / trash vegetation. They have already been able to extract a high quality oil that is better than Canola (Rape Seed) oil which is both edible and directly usable as diesel fuel! Again cost and performing this on a commercial scale rather than in a laboratory is again the main problems.
Next, there is a huge untapped supply of natural gas in Canada’s Arctic Islands and also Methane Hydrates in the Ocean depths. (One of my cousins died in the drilling crew PanArctic Air crash on Melyville Island in a blinding blizzard helping find more already).
Again, the farther into the Arctic or under the sea, the more expensive it is.
Finally, what we need to do is ration the uses of hydrocarbon fuels to stop the wanton wastage that occurs every day, you and I both see. Either we ration or raise the prices, but it has to come down to limit your use to justifyable levels, or pay the higher prices.
Now every barrel or cubic meter saved by using solar, wind, and nuclear in lieu counts. The end result will be less gaseous CO2} into the air.
Another factor that has not been high lighted much, is the rampant deforestation of the planet for lumber and fuel. Trees breath CO2} in and exhale O2) out. There needs to be more tree planting and less land clearing especially where the soils are not conducive to growing grass like crops.
Finally, this current oil price bubble is a highly preventable one, but only if speculators are mot allowed to bid up the futures markets based on rumor. The future delivery contracts do need to be bought and sold, but just as there are profiteers bidding up the price, you are next going to see some serious bankruptcies as these prices fall sharply leaving some of the less sharp buyers holding the bag of futures now worth 3/4 of what they paid for them. Greed has its losers just as in the real estate market and the sub prime mortgages! Even gold bullion is not immune! Balance you investment savings and hang on for the ride.
Rumour of the day:
James Carville (The ragin’ Cajun)is going to be retained to help run the Liberal war room .
He’ll tear the Con-bots a new one and leave lots of hats on the ground .
“I saw David Suzuki tell a class of school children that he is an atheist…
“Where do people get the idea that his knowledge and wisdom are based in religion?” –By rms on 07.27.08 7:56 pm
“You’re awed by the splendour, by the beauty of the planet…put together and taken apart by the great cycles of Gaia.” –David Suzuki in The SACRED Planet, Rediscovering Our Place in Nature.
So I guess it is inevitable that we keep getting put together and come apart as a part of the eternal and recurring cycles of the Great Mother Goddess, Mother Nature. That, in my books, in indeed junk science.
Canada does NOT need American Weapons Manufactures to ‘make it secure.’ We are secure because we are a civilized nation.
What complete crock pof War Mongering BULLSHIT! UPHOLD the law and stop their parade NOW!
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.27.08 4:57 pm
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Hey Billy Musk, you are right but for the wrong reasons. Canada is secure because our “wet coast” is an impenetrable wall of rock with only three entrance ways, the North is usually so frozen and bitterly cold or open muskeg with black flies and mosquitoes that no one in their right mind would attempt to invade (the Russians know this first hand!), and our East Coast is protected by the Newfs and Herring Chokers who would ply any invaders with Screech in large enough quantities to incapacitate elephants, which leaves only our Southern Border with them thar candy arses thet cain’t stand fer no cold winds, snow and frost anyhoo. Plus they don’t want anythung ta do wit none uf us democrits, frogs and foghats. Now who did I forgit tu insult!
I plan to be there, Garth.
The only thing that this myth provides is a basis for the green shift tax grab which will ruin the economy in going after an environmental phantom that is more religious than scientific.
By Polar Resident on 07.27.08 6:14 pm
Your tin-foil pith helmet is on too tight . Moron !
By Irene on 07.27.08 12:13 pm
Please accept my sincere condolences.
Gord
By Gord on 07.27.08 3:38 pm
And mine also Irene.
Thank You!
Irene
Hi Mork on 07.27.08 10:34 am,
What did you know about building #7 on 911?
Don’t bother looking into the 911 issue since you find it difficult.
‘Belief in myth avoids the discomfort of thought.’
I was in a fun cave on Sunday.
There was no tinfoil just helmets with lights and lots of water.
There was lots of stuff on the ceiling and walls that looked like gold and silver, really.
Are you still in this cave?
Plato’s: Allegory of the Cave. 7min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ei7LqbYb8M&feature=related
Did you see the show sunday night, on the history channel, about how Hitler came to total power?
Sounds just like PMSH buddy Bush!
Remember the treasones SPP deal PMSH signed. The one you can’t see, and have no say in!
This talk is worth hearing.
Talk by Naomi Wolf author of "The End of America: Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot" given October 11, 2007 at Kane Hall on the University. 48min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
If you mist this link that someone posted yesterday you should look!
In Part 2 about 12 in, he tells you the thinking behind the Iraq wars.
Not good thinking, but the thinking.
Just more bad long term planning, by insane people in power.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man – Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8&feature=related
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man – Part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29GhXsx7-Rs&feature=related
If you just put off asking questions until after 2010 you won’t be able to find out, because PMSH is shutting down free access to the web and your ability to find out anything they Big Brother doesn’t want you to know!
Can you say, yes big brother 1984.
Have you been paying attention?
Are you well informed?
Are you a critical-thinker?
Don’t worry slaves don’t need to know that! Don’t worry be happy, borrow lots of money and pay taxes.
Remember if they can do it to them, they can do it to you and your family next!!! Remember Cuba.
Did you get fluoridated water as an infant? It’ll lower your IQ permanently.
See the good science in the bad effect,
there are many, from drinking fluoride at,
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
Mr. Garth TurnerMP,
I saw Mr. DionMP give a talk at the Canada Club in Toronto. He’s taller that I thought from the TV pictures.
I’ll try and get out to the Aug 20 townhall. It’s just a few KM from my home to lisen to what you and Mr. Dion have to say. And the answere you give to the questions asked.
I may even ask a question myself?
Do you think you might need help with signes, chairs, etch.?
Should I and others e-mail you if they have sometime to give to help out?
The Loch Ness Monster, Ogopogo, and sasquachs exist
Elvis is still alive
Ghosts exist
Barack Obama is a Muslim
OJ was innocent
The moonwalks were filmed in a studio
The holocaust was a hoax
Psychics
Astrology
Crop circles
Alien abductions
Etc. etc. etc.
Anyone who honestly believes that even one of the above is true – well, see my previous post for instructions on how to smooth the edge of your tin foil cap.
By Mork on 07.27.08 6:53 pm
O M G Mork!!! Stephen Harper believes in three things on your list! At least three from all we’ve heard so far: psychics, astrology and the Christian ghost. His closest advisors and ministers believe in a few more on the list but Harper keeps them quiet about those, e.g., Stockwell Day = dinosaurs and humans = Ogopogo.
A lot of Harper drones believe some really weird stuff. A few hundred years ago, Harper and his psychic sidekick would have experienced the waterboard treatment and live only if they were witches!
Junk science? Only Stephen Harper’s hairdresser knows for sure.
OK, seriously folks, I’m getting real scared.
Dion has got the balls to go to Calgary during the stampede to debate and discuss The Green Shift.
By TS on 07.27.08 8:58 pm
It has nothing to do with balls beacuse it is his job to go out to all areas of Canada and try and convince them to support his party. That way he gets the big bucks as opposition leader. The real question is how many people did he convince to switch over and support the Green Shift Plan while he was in Alberta? The latest polls seem to indicate not very many.
I get a laugh out of all the Liberal trolls who are bashing Harry and calling him dumb and such. Yet he is smart enough to push all their buttons and gets them to slam him instead of them favouring us with their Liberal propaganda. Look in the mirror folks and perhaps you will see the real fool.
For those who have questions for Mr. Dion, and are not coming to the meeting, or do not have Mr. Turner as their MP, try info@liberal.ca
Now who did I forgit tu insult!
By Essential Reductions….. on 07.27.08 11:35 pm
I think you have it fairly well covered. But what do we do about the Ballistic Submarines the U.S. sends underwater through the Great Lakes?
How about those falling satellites that crash onto Canadian soil? Where the Hell is that cow and its Old Lady when we need them? Somebody call General brock…we may need his help again.
I still think we could drop 200,000 beavers and flood them right out. LOL
BTW, No One, and I mean No One in their right mind would take on the wall of biters in the arctic. I lived there and they are so thick you can’t even see your lure being retrieved without waving your hand. During the winter you had better have GPS and heated clothing because you are going to be blinded by whiteouts and quick frozen. That means the only real invading force we have to contend with are the Russians. Easy to handle. Set out caches of Vodka and get ‘em sloshed.
The Inuit can open ‘Flipper on the Go’ sites. One taste of those seal flippers after fermentation will drive any enemy away.
We do have our ways, don’t we? LOL
“OK, seriously folks, I’m getting real scared.”
By Liz on 07.28.08 5:20 am
Why can’t you be an MP closer to Ottawa, grrrrrrrrr I can never make it out there. Next year will be better for me.
Good luck Garth, keep up the good work.
Do me a favor ask how a family of 5 has to buy 2 cars to save on gas but one van would be better on the environment.
I’m trying to come up with a solution but I have no idea.
I have a question: you sent me the link that would show my income tax refund. I would like the link that would show me how much tax I would be paying on my natural gas bill, electricity bill, water bill, property taxes…etc. I am more interested in seeing both sides of the equation as opposed to only one side. Where is the rest of the equation?
Has everybody noticed that “men” with a too-tight hat is really good at calling people moron or idiot. Well, I have the feeling that this guy is one of those unattractive, sweaty, pot-bellied, gap-toothed, unemployed over-50 losers who would wear a t-shirt that says “fat chicks need not apply”. As though any self-respecting woman would.
Hey, “men” – you seem to be an expert on what makes somebody a moron or idiot. That must mean that you live in a house of mirrors.
Liz – whatever you’re smoking, it is either very good or very bad. Either way, you make no sense whatsoever. Try not smoking that stuff for a little while and see if you can write coherently.
Hey, “men” – you seem to be an expert on what makes somebody a moron or idiot. That must mean that you live in a house of mirrors.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.28.08 3:25 pm
Moe drivel from a friggin’ moron .
Apparently Garth is busily deleting again.
His comment “You’re so jealous you’re words bleed” wasn’t the last comment in the string, but he’s decided all of you shouldn’t see the rest.
Stephane Dion’s Leadership is Merely a Formality?!
There is more evidence that Stephane Dion is not really in charge of his party anymore?
Today’s Hill Times contains this article:
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=2008/july/28/backrooms/&c=2
… reporting on scheduled meetings that Dion has made with top Liberal next month. The discussions will be about bringind down the Harper government, and triggering an election this fall . However, for an article supposedly about Liberal planning for an election, the topic quickly turns towards the question of how forces within the Liberal Party are already planning for a new leadership race.
An anonymous Liberal MP is quoted in the article as saying:
“The MP said he was surprised by the question, but also said it appears that Liberals have accepted that Stéphane Dion’s presence at the top of the party is just a formality and that activities for positioning in anticipation of the leadership convention are becoming more and more evident.”
There you have it, Stephane Dion’s position as Leader of the Liberal Party is merely a formality at this point.
Supporters of both the Ignatieff and Rae camps are now moving against one-another, trying to position their candidates for a leadership race. There might even be sine concerted attempts to wrestle control of the party apparatus away from Stephane Dion’s people. Such would be the case if Alf Apps, a key Ignatieff strategist and organizer, is elected to the position of Liberal Party President.
The question now becomes: does Dion really want an election, or is he being forced into triggering one by factions within the Liberal Party? Those who just want the party to suffer an election loss so that a new leadership race can begin.
“Apparently Garth is busily deleting again.”
How sad John L that Garth boasts a great deal about having open dialogues but deletes opposing views on his websight.
Typical do as I say not as I do arrogance/ignorance.
“Anyone who honestly believes that the current US administration planned and executed the events of 911″
BYMORK07.27.086:53PM
I don’t think anyone suggests that “he planned” anything like that. However, I think the profusion of information that is coming even from prominent Republicans, suggests that Bush isn’t “in charge” of much.
Harry,
You asked,
“If a Carbon Tax is intended to motivate cutting back on GHG emissions, why bother compromising that objective with an income tax credit? Isn’t that self-defeating?”
People will use or treat the tax cuts and credits as extra income. They will then presumebly make choices based on variable presented to them. For example, Jack will opt to car pool with coworkers, Greg and Jane so as to save money. Since one or more cars are taken off the road, GHG gases are then reduced. However, while people are working out how they will change their living patterns, since a complete change of lifestyle may not be possible in such a short period of time, the tax cuts and credits will provide a cushion offsetting the higher costs of carbon based energy sources that we consume on a daily basis, that will be targeted by the carbon tax or green shift.
Companies will jump on the opportunity to profit from changes in the behaviour of people.
Evidence that high prices encourages people and business to change their behaviour is reaffirmed. One example close to most of us is, high oil prices. People are already driving less because of the high cost of gasoline, and car companies are fast forwarding their plans toward creating battery powered cars, and battery recharging stations. GM recently announced its plans to work with Canadian and American Utility companies to create a industry standard for car voltage. What’s more, today, more people ride the bus, carpool, take the subway or even walk to work if it isn’t to far.
There is no need to tax gasoline at the pump, because it is already having the desired effect on the economy. And, it is reasonable to assume that oil prices will continue to increase on their own without added taxes. Again the desired effect is being achieved as a result and people will continue to consume less gasoline.
GHG gases will be decreased on an individual level, by the personal choices of people, not the imposed sanctions of government.
Ed Stelmach said “the hardest thing to do is to encourage people to change their behaviours”
It is the behaviours of people which cause carbon to be put into the atmosphere.
The guiding principle surrounding the green shift is, “changing patterns.” Unleashing the power of the market system.
Daryn
The reason I will be there is curiousty only. He will not be able to fool me though in typical Liberal vision they will promise anything to get into power and once in power they keep on promising and promosing and…etc