Two brief points to follow yesterday’s shameless promo of the gig Dion and I will be hosting in Halton three weeks from now.
First, I said if enough garth.ca devotees indicated they’d like to come and meet the guy, I’d make it happen with a special pre-event event. Well, it is. Actually I’ve heard from people who live in Kingston on the left and Manitoba on the right, and a bunch in the middle, who will be coming on August 20th. So, count on a Bloggers Bash with Stephane Dion in which you will have the opportunity of asking him whatever.
Of course, there is room for more. If you would like to be part of this group, email me directly at garth@garth.ca. I’m looking forward to the conversation, but the main event will be meeting some of the people who prowl the mean streets and seedier corners of this blog. Naturally, I will have heavy security.
Second, some weenies have questioned the entire validity of live political events. What point is there, they cry, having a federal leader visit Halton, or Halifax or Red Deer, when only a small percentage of the population can get there? How does this advance the national agenda? How does it make a politician more accountable? What’s the point? Isn’t it just a PR photo-op?
Well, I look at it this way. Over the 31 months since the last federal election, I have held 34 Town Hall meetings in Halton that were advertised in the local papers, open to all, and offered a chance for every single person who showed up to make a comment, ask a question or deliver a speech. I’ve done similar meetings – another 26 of them – in cities and provinces remote from my riding. Some meetings were sparsely attended and in some, people were hanging from the rafters.
Attendance at my meetings in Halton has averaged 60 people, so about 1,800 have come out. That’s from a population of more than 120,000. Does this make the meetings a failure? Not worth having? Am I therefore unaccountable as the MP?
Or am I doing exactly what a politician should do, which is blog and send mailings to all homes, write a letter to every constituent every year, do a column for the local media, meet citizens in my office, plus make myself available in person at least once a month in a well-publicized meeting to talk to anyone who shows up? If just sixty people come, instead of 6,000, was it a waste?
Hardly. Only a cynic, a fool or an egomaniac would not understand that an MP’s job is to care about everybody, and every person at the same time. You cannot make people with busy lives care about economic policy, environmental initiatives, foreign policy or even taxes. But a good politician takes every opportunity at hand and uses every tool possible to both communicate and to listen.
Thus, it might be easier for Stephane Dion to grant a network television interview each Sunday and take the rest of the week off, certain that a few million people heard his voice. It would certainly be less stressful to follow Mr. Harper’s model, and make one well-scripted, tightly-controlled and voter-less announcement every few weeks. After all, public meetings are just that – public. Critics and opponents show up. People seeking to embarrass or diminish you, all in front of cameras and reporters. Without a doubt, this is the high-wire act of politics.
But, as with my own local Town Halls, Dion’s forays into banquet halls, gymnasiums and church basements are examples of what a responsible politician must do. Especially one that is full of ideas to solve common problems and totally unafraid of criticism, or even failure. It’s one thing for a local nobody like me to open the doors. But it’s another completely for a man one vote away from being prime minister. Meet courage.
So, are you coming?
Update:
I have just received this message, to pass on: “What a fantastic idea to allow bloggers a chance to mingle with yourself and Stephane. I live in Brandon, Manitoba and i can honestly say that most often we feel absolutely alienated from the political debate. Our MP rarely if ever makes appearances in our City and i honestly can’t name many accomplishments for my community that i would attach to his efforts. When Provincial or Federal leaders or politicians come through Brandon (rarely if ever) your unlikely to hear about it until it’s too late or already happened. I consider myself an extremely politically involved young individual and i would be honoured to attend your meeting. I’m wondering if it would be possible for you to pass some of my contact information off to anyone from Manitoba and further west who would be willing to pick up a young “hitcher” in Manitoba for the ride. I’m of course willing to chip in my fair share of the costs but getting to Halton could be a challenge.
If your okay with that or you see any opening please consider this. Thanks, Jamie, Brandon, MB.”
So, who can pick him up?
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My husband and I are looking forward to coming to the preliminary event, Garth, and thanks a lot for the invitation.
Hope Mr. Dion will be prepared to answer the question, “Will you enforce the Canada Health Act?”
This is such a tricky problem when the provinces are so concerned about jurisdiction but it is the prime security concern of the majority of Canadians. We can see that there is so much corruption and lack of accountability in the corporate world, as well as a lack of social conscience,
that they can hardly brag anymore that everything is done better and cheaper by the private sector.
Dr. Brian Day and some of his ilk are trying hard to convince everyone that that is the case but it’s pretty obvious he believes in empire building. There is enough privatization in the system now.
Any chance it could be a web cast event? Or recorded and available for watching for those who cannot make it personally. YouTube maybe?
If either recorded or web cast, please be sure to make sure it’s copyrighted so Con hacks cannot just cut and paste from it to try and make trouble.
Thanks.
Oh yeah, if web-casted you could have web viewers send in e-mail with questions if you want to go that far.
I would give up my old Mulroney leadership buttons just to be at that doo, and I’m not kidding!
For those who attend, will there be any refreshments available at a reasonable fee? If the Ukranian Ladies are catering with Houlpsea, pedaheh, shishkababs, borcsht, and a little bit goodit visky, I will have to seriously reconsider. Sorry about the spelling, I only married into, was not born and raised Uookranska!
Thank you Garth.
As you know I sent you two cheques to indicate that I think you are the most
available MP to me.
I do meet my Calgary MP from time to time. He spoke to me at a Calgary
Stampede breakfast.
He is not as quick to answer my letters as I would like; he is always polite
when we meet.
The link below is for Mork.
http://www.vancouver911truth.org/
I am casting around seeking a way to go to your meeting.
Problem is my wife broke her knee hiking; I am now head cook and in charge of the vacuum.
More later.
I’m coming and I don’t meen that in a dirty way.
Hi Garth.
Should I fail to go to the meeting I am sending a question. M.Dion will
have a chance to prepare an answer.
What will a new Liberal Government do about depleted uranium use in Alberta?
The author of this article spoke to me twice in the last year and she states
that we use DU weapons
at Cold Lake, Wainright and Suffield military bases in Alberta.
http://www.namastepublishing.co.uk/Populations%20Exposed%20to%20Enviromental%20Uranium.htmLeuren Moret is a geoscientist and environmental scientist. She is an experton atmospheric dusts, and how they move and are transported around theworld. She was an expert witness at the International Criminal Tribunal ForAfghanistan At Tokyo. She is an independent scientist and internationalexpert on radiation and public health issues. She has worked internationallyon radiation issues, educating citizens, the media, members of Parliamentsand Congress and other officials. She became a whistleblower in 1991 at theLivermore Nuclear Weapons Lab after experiencing major science fraud on theYucca Mountain Project. Leuren is a former Environmental Commissioner of theCity of Berkeley and President of for Scientists of Indigenous People.
I’ll email you my question .
Thank you
Garth,
I want to come but, I am out of the country until October.
Please let us know how it goes.
Daryn
“So, are you coming? . . . I will have heavy security.”
As neither of us will be there Garth, heavy security is not necessary — besides, I’d be happier getting on Le Hairy One’s case!
Out of interest, this century has a little over 91 years to run before the next one. Most of us probably won’t be around for that.
Is there any chance that the neanderthal neocons would be able to tell the difference between a tax shift (what Dion has proposed), as compared to a new tax (what CRAPpists are screaming about)?
It may be hard slogging teaching them, but they may not have the capability of processing basic information!
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Norway and Russia may have a little shindig over this. The last sentence is interesting.
I’ve also added two links which suggest that active undersea volcanoes in oceans may be one of many reasons why the ice cap is melting, and the oceans are warming.
http://tinyurl.com/6cs2j7
http://tinyurl.com/4valrv
http://tinyurl.com/6a7fco
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This was making the rounds a few months ago, but one part is missing — the false flag operation.
If it happens, dubya will do exactly what Putin has done — create a newer, higher position for himself while still having a President, VP, etc. The rest is fairly accurate.
Following courtesy WRH.com.
“I wish this were more far-fetched than it actually sounds.
“In case you missed it, Ehud Barak, the Israeli Minister of Defense is in Washington next week to discuss the ‘Iranian threat’ with various US officials and military officers.
“He has come to ‘hard-sell’ a joint US / Israeli attack, because he understands very clearly that the next US President may well not be quite as carnage-prone as Bush has proven himself to be.
“Such an attack would undoubtedly cripple McCain’s chances for the presidency . . . if in fact the election goes forward.”
http://tinyurl.com/6axknf
Thanks for the invite. It won’t be easy to juggle our schedules but both of us are determined to be there.
What time should we aim for if we would like to attend the Bloggers Bash?
If anyone needs a ride, we’ll be driving from St. Thomas, just south of London and along the 401. We realize this is an extravagance for fuel but in our opinion, this is important and we don’t get out to enough of these type of events.
Come on, Harry get out your cane.
I’ll put on my hat.
We’ll put on our bells and go.
You’re a mean ole daddy but I like you.
Be there or be square, Harry. You’re that close, why chicken out on the last leg, Foghorn?
*with sincerest apologies to Joni Mitchell and Foghorn Leghorn; it was too good to pass up.
Hi Garth…. Yes, my wife and I will both be in attendance! We are very much looking forward to the event. From our perspective it is meetings like these that are at the core of democracy.
It is one thing to see/hear political leaders on the radio or television. It is quite another to shake someone’s hand and look them in the eye.
Cowards hide behind tightly scripted media releases and staged events.
People of principle, ethics, courage and character meet the public one-on-one.
But it’s another completely for a man one vote away from being prime minister. Meet courage. by garth.
You also could have also added for a man one vote away from losing his leadership.
So lets be real for a while and agree that after the next election, either Dion or Harper will no longer be leader of their respective parties because which ever party loses the election will have a new leader.
Dion is just trying to get out there and convince the electorate to vote Liberal in the next election which in my view is a party leader’s job.
So it has very little to do with courage but rather everything to do with survival. That applies to Both Dion and Harper.
MPs invested in here…
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=efa39914-5df5-47f2-a331-4cd833d09cbc
I will be happy to meet other bloggers, I have already e-mailed my acceptance to the information evening…
COULD THE NEW HOME BE WASHINGTON?
2012 DOES RING A BELL….
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=746b2eb8-a211-4d6b-8d58-04cd47a0b677
Unfortunately I’m unable to get there but if I could I sure would!
Garth…I posted a comment in another posting of yours in hopes of getting an answer to a question there. It was the posting on the 10 policies, which I think are excellent.
As you didn’t answer I emailed the comment to you & am still hoping to hear back from you.
Waiting patiently…
My MP, Guergis, holds no town hall meetings, does not respond to emails and is not available to her constituents in her office. Harper will not let them speak on their own without guidance from the PMO it would seem.
As for Mr. Dion:
I cannot attend the meeting but I hope this message comes across,”it’s the economy stupid.” Job losses, gas prices, heating oil prices, surplus/deficit issues, income trust tax losses/tax leakage lies, housing prices, ABCP write-offs, etc. etc. And yet to come, more financial disasters in the U.S. from CDO’s, Alt-A loans, credit card debt, car loan debt, more housing bankruptcies and other off-balance sheet creations of the financial wizards that will drag us down with them. After all the Fed can’t print enough money to bail out all the financial institutions (although they are giving it a good shot!).
Tell him to get as passionate about the economy as he is about the green shift.
LesP, a former life-long Conservative
By TS on 07.28.08 5:49 am
ECHO ECHO ECHO ECHO ECHO ECHO ECHO
ET NE SAURAIT ETRE café latte
THIS WON’T HELP WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE FOLKS IN AFGHANISTAN:
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/07/28/afghanistan-cdn.html
TALIBAN TARGETS KABUL:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/148985
Or am I doing exactly what a politician should do, which is blog and send mailings to all homes, write a letter to every constituent every year, do a column for the local media, meet citizens in my office, plus make myself available in person at least once a month in a well-publicized meeting to talk to anyone who shows up? If just sixty people come, instead of 6,000, was it a waste? Garth
If there were more politicians like you, I would be more hopeful for Canada’s future. If Dion becomes the next PM, he would be wise to follow your lead. The current PM could take a page out of your book too, but he knows “the emperor has no clothes.”
No wonder the Conservatives fear you, Garth.
I hope to be attending August 20th, and could drive 2-3 people who live in the Waterloo Region.
Assuming the public meeting notice for St. Volodymyr Culture Centre permits moving important issues to #1 spot, I believe we should be looking at the Canadian economy and job losses.
primarily manufacturing & forestry
Having said that, I hope everyone will bring forward many many questions, in the hope it will be a LONG NIGHT.
Unthinkable Truth; Undeniable Reality
Martin Weiss, MONEY MARKETS 07-28-08
“Much of our nation’s financial structure is collapsing, and our government’s only response is phony money, bogus bailouts and a litany of false promises.
Ben Bernanke, Henry Paulson, the FDIC and the U.S. Congress say they can do it all.
They say they can save bankrupt brokers like Bear Stearns … take over recently failed banks like IndyMac Bank and First National of Nevada … prop up insolvent mortgage giants like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac … refinance millions of defaulting mortgages … dish out hundreds of billions in tax rebates … and still have enough cash in the kitty to cover the next round of financial collapses.
They say their unbridled money printing won’t devalue the U.S. dollar.”
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/Issues.aspx?NewsletterEntryId=2023
Job losses hit home–Vaughan Today
25 Jul 2008 Susan Kadis
“Canada’s manufacturing sector is being devastated on the Conservative government’s watch, as yet another 2000 manufacturing jobs are lost” …
http://www.vaughantoday.ca/story.php?id=913
GOVERNMENT SHOULD REIMBURSE SENIORS
“Between 2001 and 2006, for a total of five years, Statistics Canada miscalculated the inflation rate of the cost of living allowance for seniors, the tool used for calculating pensions benefits for seniors.
In spite of our campaigns and write-in petitions, the government of Canada refuses to reimburse seniors for this loss, even though they have admitted to this error.
It is well known that should the public owe money to the government, all efforts are made to retrieve that money.
The reply received from James Mauder, senior policy adviser, is as follows, “The CPI can be underestimated. It can be overestimated. If the inflation rate used to measure senior’s income was found to be too high, it is this government’s position that it would be wrong and unfair to claw back seniors’ hard-earned dollars. Like all western countries, Canada does not adjust the CPI retroactively.”
In other words there will be no reimbursement even though the error was their error. Again, even though this allowance applies to all seniors, the most affected are the poorer seniors.”
Mario Alloi, Vice chair retired members OPSEU
Second, some weenies have questioned the entire validity of live political events. What point is there, they cry, having a federal leader visit Halton, or Halifax or Red Deer, when only a small percentage of the population can get there? How does this advance the national agenda? How does it make a politician more accountable? What’s the point? Isn’t it just a PR photo-op?
Garth, Consider the difference between the Obama and MCCain strategies. Maybe Stephane should rent Obama’s organization for some LARGE events.
McCain seems to only be able to attend places like a German Sausage Haus, rather than BERLIN! LOL
Sorry, but just had to make that comment due to the mention of numbers attending. McCain draws 20, Obama 200,000.
Somebody has their act together me thinks!
Sorry Garth I have root canal scheduled for that day and I have opted for the less painful 2 hours.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.28.08 9:04 am
They need the money to attempt to buy votes in Quebec and Ontario…
Siemens cuts 17,000 jobs worldwide to cut costs; Canadian impact not yet known
“In Canada, the German company’s wholly owned unit employs about 6,000 people and generated revenues of about C$2.3 billion last year from a variety of businesses.
These include automation and control, building systems, lighting, information technology, medical products, industrial services, power equipment and transportation technology.
A spokesman for the company’s Canadian operations couldn’t confirm Tuesday how many local jobs would be affected.
“Unfortunately we haven’t finalized our assessment for the sales and general administration program and because of that I’m not in a position right now to speculate on any numbers,” D.L. Leslie said in a phone interview.
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5i91K34WO3qOmtQ-YKMtSUEO38Skg
Maybe Jim Dim could read this…
Ontario doesn’t seem like such a bad place to invest…at least tax wise…
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=55d9a35f-bdc2-483e-9b4b-d85fcc27bfa6
Somebody has their act together me thinks!
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.28.08 9:08 am
Bill, that might be because of reviews on last weeks performance by Mr. McCain, it appears age is seriously catching up with him:
* On July 21st, McCain said on Good Morning America that the situation was tough in Afghanistan, particularly, he said, “given the struggle on the Iraq-Pakistan border.”
* On July 22 in an interview Katie Couric of CBS, McCain said the troop surge President Bush ordered in January 2007 and which didn’t reach maximum tactical deployment for months after led to the so-called Sunni awakening or uprising against Al Qaeda in Iraq terrorists. While the surge no doubt gave greater confidence to Sunnis over time, the awakening began in the fall of 2006 with the moves against AI Qaeda by a collection of high-profile tribal sheiks.
* On July 23, McCain said the surge wasn’t really about more troops, but counter-insurgency tactics. And yet the political credit McCain seeks for the turn-around in Iraq is based principally on his advocacy if the surge – meaning more troops to carry out counter-insurgency missions. To say the surge wasn’t really about more troops undercuts much of McCain has tried to tell the public about what has changed in Iraq and why.
* On July 24th, McCain called Iraq “the first major conflict since 9/11.” Tell that to Hamid Karzai, current President of Afghanistan and brought to power by the US-led defeat of the Taliban in the months immediately following 9/11.
* And Friday on CNN, McCain said 16 months for a troop withdrawal from Iraq is “a pretty good timetable.” His campaign said McCain meant it was good so long as conditions on the ground warranted troop withdrawals. But the damage was done. Just check the profusion of blog posts in the hours immediately after the CNN interview with McCain.
The Obama campaign and the DNC is preparing an easy-to-follow guide to these McCain fumbles to assist any and all Obama surrogates in the coming debate over national security, Iraq or Afghanistan. Contrasting one or more of these against McCain’s contention that he alone “knows how to win wars” is likely to become a familiar TV jousting tactic.
July 27, 2008 9:32 AM
ABC News’ Anamarie Rebori reports: Sen. John McCain made clear this weekend that when it comes to fixing Social Security, “everything is on the table,” including a possible payroll tax increase.
McCain Reverses Himself on Affirmative Action
July 27, 2008 9:11 AM
ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Kevin Kilbane Report: During a “This Week” interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos John McCain reversed himself on affirmative action and endorsed for the first time a proposed state ballot measure which would end race and gender-based affirmative action in his home state of Arizona.
“I support it,” McCain declared when asked about the referendum. “I do not believe in quotas… I have not seen the details of some of these proposals. But I’ve always opposed quotas.”
McCain has long opposed quotas but his new support for ending affirmative action programs which stop short of quotas puts him at odds not only with Democratic rival Barack Obama but also with the Arizona senator’s own views in 1998.
Back then, when the legislature in McCain’s home state of Arizona considered sending the voters a measure to end affirmative action, McCain spoke out against it calling it “divisive.”
Back in January of this year, John McCain pilloried Mitt Romney for encouraging President Bush in April 2007 to develop a private “series of timetables and milestones” for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.
“Timetables was the buzzword for those that wanted to get out,” McCain scolded Romney at a Jan. 30 debate at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, Calif.
How the (time)tables have turned.
During a Friday interview with CNN, McCain called a 16-month withdrawal from Iraq “a pretty good timetable.”
That answer came when McCain was asked by Wolf Blitzer about the Iraqi prime minister’s recent description of a 16-month timetable as “the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes.”
Sorry Garth I have root canal scheduled for that day and I have opted for the less painful 2 hours.
By Brian Wilson on 07.28.08 9:11 am
So…you have a rotted tooth that matches your rotted attitude.
Really, why was that comment necessary? What did you gain by it? Did you add to any debate or policy view?
You are a total waste of reading time.
GM-CAW deal adds models to production line
“More vehicles to be built at new Oshawa plant; senior workers to get pay package as part of union settlement
General Motors of Canada Ltd. will increase the number of models to be built at its new car plant in Oshawa, Ont., and pay some workers for as long as four years after its truck plant in that city closes.
Those are among the key elements of a deal between the Canadian Auto Workers and GM to settle the dispute surrounding the closing of the auto maker’s pickup truck plant in Oshawa that was announced in June and eliminates 2,600 jobs. Complete details will be revealed to CAW workers in Oshawa today.
One part of the agreement involves GM paying workers who have at least 26 years of seniority 65 per cent of their wages for four years so that they reach the 30-year level, sources familiar with the deal say. Those with between 27 year and 30 years experience would get proportionately less in terms of years.
Reaching the 30-year level enables them to qualify for a special retirement incentive applicable to people with 30 years of experience.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080728.RGM28/TPStory/Business
MORE JOB LOSSES ON HARPER’S WATCH:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f71d1aac-46c2-4e06-9c3a-d4d7390c6961
They need the money to attempt to buy votes in Quebec and Ontario…
By wjp on 07.28.08 9:17 am
I guess the ‘equalization’ payment, which was passed on as a provincial income tax cut by Charest, @~=$750 per, was not enough. Can you tell me how me and my WiFi [Martha's high tech] can have ourselves declared a microcosm of the 3rd. world? Obviously, we won’t get anything from StatsCan or Harper. Appeal to the UN on a human rights basis?
CAMARO, IMPALA & BUICK…
IS THIS GM’S PLAN TO ACCELERATE BANKRUPTCY?
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=770a6273-bb31-4aca-9f05-4929f22d4c76
And now for something completly different, but ever so relevant. Imagine you are an immigrant trying to learn English. Here are some examples of how difficult the language can be.
Can you read these right the first time?
1) The bandage was wound around the wound.
2) The farm was used to produce produce.
3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
4) We must polish the Polish furniture.
5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.
6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present .
9) When shot at, the dove it dove into the bushes.
10) I did not object to the object.
11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
13) They were too close to the door to close it.
14) The buck does funny things, when the does are present.
15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
18) Upon seeing the tear in the painting, I shed a tear.
19) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
20) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
Let’s face it – English is a crazy language.
There is no egg in eggplant, nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren’t invented in England; or French fries in France. Sweetmeats are candies; while sweetbreads, which aren’t sweet, are meat.
We take English for granted. But, if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square; and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea, nor is it a pig.
And, why is it that writers write – but, fingers don’t fing; grocers don’t groce. and hammers don’t ham?
If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn’t the plural of booth, beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So – one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices?
Doesn’t it seem crazy that you can make amends, but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends, and get rid of all – but one of them, what do you call it?
If teachers taught, why didn’t preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?
Sometimes, I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play, and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run, and feet that smell?
How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same; while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up, as it burns down; in which you fill in a form by filling it out; and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.
English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all.
P.S. – Why doesn’t “Buick” rhyme with “quick”?
You lovers of the English language might enjoy this
There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is “UP.”
It’s easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we
awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP? At a meeting, why does a topic come UP ? Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report ?
We call UP our friends. And, we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP the silver, we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen. We lock UP the house, and some guys fix UP the old car. At other times the little word has real special meaning. People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses. To be dressed is one thing, but to be dressed UP is special.
And, this UP is confusing: A drain must be opened UP ,because it is stopped UP. We open UP a store in the morning, but we close it UP at night.
We seem to be pretty mixed UP .about UP! To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary. In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page, and can add UP to about thirty definitions. If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used. It will take UP a lot of your time; but, if you don’t give UP , you may wind UP with a hundred or more. When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP . When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP .
When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP.
When it doesn’t rain for awhile, things dry UP.
One could go on and on, but I’ll wrap it UP , for now my time is UP, so……….. it is time to shut UP…!
Oh . . . one more thing:
What is the first thing you do in the morning & the last thing you do at night? U-P
“CanGro, Canada’s last fruit canning plant, closes its doors in St. David’s June 27, shifting the landscape forever. Peach growers in Niagara pull out their trees as the business moves to faraway shores. Meanwhile, consumers face a future where the peaches may be grown down the road but the cans on their store shelves are filled with foreign produce. What’s happening?”
http://www.thespec.com/specialsections/section/canned
http://www.thespec.com/specialsections/section/canned/392589
I’m sure everyone here has been laid off at one time or another, or seen those who have been laid off, going through the daily GRIND, while attempting to restore equilibrium to the wage support system to maintain the household. It’s a mind-bender for sure. In this case, the farmers, as well as the cannery workers are heavily impacted.
Ford pulls rug out from under new hires
“Ford’s optimism continued to by high last month when Ford officials, politicians and even the Great One himself, Wayne Gretzky gathered at the Oakville Assembly Plant to unveil the Ford Flex on Tuesday, June 3.
On that day, Minister of Industry Jim Prentice remarked on how great it was that during such a time of difficulty for the auto sector Ford was hiring 500 people.
Fast forward to Tuesday, July 22, and Weatherson has quit his job in anticipation of beginning work at Ford the following Monday.
He quickly comes to regret his decision.
“Tuesday was my last day of work,” he said.
“Then I got a call from them (Ford) telling me the position no longer exists.”
But, we shouldn’t worry ’bout Jim Prentice, ‘cos he went right back to his phoney attack ad campaign, claiming the Green Shift plan was a ‘grab’ amounting to $62 Billion.
http://www.oakvillebeaver.com/news/article/194293
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 07.28.08 9:45 am
You would, first of all, have to find someone who cares…in Ottawa, that could be tough. Secondly, then you would have to get them to look at the basket of goods on which they base the CPI as we seniors all know that the CPI and the indexing figure dreived from that bears no resemblance to the actual cost of living we face.
Third, last but not least, the party system is so controlled from the top that appealing to individual MPs is an exercise in futility…therefore one must be connected to the party leader. We have some chance in hell of doing that!
Wish I had an answer but I suspect we are in for more of the same unless we change our voting habits…
Our resources are being sold to the highest bidder.
July 23, 2008
NAFTA blues: public opinion runs against, plus potential threat to Canadian water
Voters in the 1988 federal election took sides on the issue of free trade with the United States. When Brian Mulroney won re-election on his free-trade agenda, he moved quickly to sign a treaty and begin negotiations on a larger scale – coming up with the North American Free Trade Agreement. It became law under the Liberals in 1994 and, despite problems over the years, Canadians generally accepted the consequences with characteristic politesse.
No longer.
It seems Canadians don’t view an economy wedded to the United States and, in terms of disappearing jobs to Mexico, as such a great idea anymore. A new Angus Reid poll released this week shows a majority of Canadians want the deal renegotiated (52 per cent) in the belief this country got the short end of the the stick. The survey showed 46 per cent of those polled said NAFTA has benefited the U.S. most, while 30 perc ent said Mexico and only 7 per cent responded Canada has come out ahead of everyone else on the deal.
It’s the second time this week NAFTA has presented potential problems for Canadians. Earlier, environmentalists on both sides of the border raised their concerns about the threat a recent agreement poses to Great Lakes-St Lawrence Basin water. The compact among eight U.S. Great Lakes states (with a side agreement already signed with Ontario and Quebec) is before the U.S. Congress and expected to be approved. While its design supposedly is to prevent bulk export of water, it does exactly the opposite, according to Michigan environmental lawer James Olson, by legally defining water as a “product” and not in the public domaine. It’s a dangerous legal precedent, he says, and a slippery slope to eventual bulk export of water from the Great Lakes.
It appears that the agreement is following a trend set by NAFTA. Both Olson and Meera Karunananthan, water analyst for the Ottawa-based Council of Canadians, say NAFTA already leaves Canadian water resources exposed. That’s because the 1994 treaty doesn’t protect water, an omission that came after heavy lobbying by industry groups throughout NAFTA negotiations. That means water is nothing more than a commodity, as it is in other trade agreements, notably the World Trade Organization (or GATT, as it was known in 1994 when NAFTA became law). Commodity, product, same idea – and all exploitable for profit, rather than a vital resource required for human survival. Karunananthan believes the concept of viewing water as a commodity was the reason the Stephen Harper government foiled a plan at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva earlier this year to have water recognized as a basic human right.
Already there have been challenges to Canadian sovereignty under the Chapter 11 provision of NAFTA, which ensures national treatment for corporations and entities in all three countries. In other words, the Canadian government cannot legally introduce a job initiative or a “Buy Canadian” plan that would favour domestic operations over U.S. and Mexican companies. The clause has remained untested, with a few notable exceptions, including the reversal of Ottawa’s decision to ban the additive MMT in gasoline for environmental and health reasons after the Ethyl Corporation (which makes the additive) launched a lawsuit based on Chapter 11. More challenges are certain to come, according to the Council of Canadians. In the absence of specific treaty protection for water in the NAFTA, a Chapter 11 challenge demanding national treatment could win the case for, say, a multinational bottling company that wants to export Great Lakes water. The Ontario government, for example, argues that less than one per cent of Ontario water is taken by foreign operations. A U.S. company could use Chapter 11 to hypothetically argue it is being unfairly treated since domestic companies already are bottling water. The NAFTA would trump all.
Besides, with water defined as a product and exempted from a ban on bulk diversions from the Great Lakes, it appears the heavy lifting is being done by other agreements. Unfortunately, a body of law designed to do the opposite and protect Canadian resources seems to be lacking – sadly.
Linda Diebel
http://thestar.blogs.com/decoder/
PYOTR PETROBITCH 8:42am
Thanks for the link. Interesting how it confirms what we stated yesterday about the U.S. following the only wrong course of action any country can follow. As our government is determined to blindly do the same we can only hope one of the opposition parties picks one of the right courses of action as their plan. Good point on your next post as well. Until we get accurate inflation and unemployment numbers no government can possibly do anything and those who are most vulnerable will continue getting more than their share of pain.
The Independent newspaper in england is running a week long series on the Conservative party and if you want a glimpse into Harpos scary, sick world it is worth a read.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/can-camerons-formula-fix-the-broken-society is the first article in the series.
Connecting the dots
The Harper Regime Betrayed Canadians when they implemented Harper’s utterly disgraceful Income Trust Betrayal. They claimed it was done in response to BCE considering changing to an Income Trust.
HARPER LIED.
When Harper broke his promise, almost every knowledegable financial guru pointed out that:
1) Harpers Income Trust Betrayal would stage BCE (and others) for buy out by NON-tax paying entities.
2) Harpers Income Trust betrayal would result in lay offs once the non-tax paying vultures moved in at BCE.
Fast forward to today:
The Federal Government is reporting that they have blown the budget surplus and Harper has driven us into deficit territory. This is largely due to TAX LEAKAGE caused by Harpers INCOME TRUST BETRAYAL.
BCE is now laying off 2500 Canadians. This is a DIRECT RESULT of Harpers Income Trust Betrayal.
Is anyone paying attention here? This issue is huge. Are people really that complacent just because they have short memories and are easily distracted?
Wake up folks, Harper is destroying your Canada.
Your Grandkids will pay for Harper’s Betrayal.
Another OT: Lets lower our standards to that of the USA – just another small step in Stevie’s plan
July 24, 2008
Why bother the public with bad news on food safety?
Tricky, tricky Ottawa — it’s got to be a strategy. It’s been all good news this week from the federal health ministry with the announcement new labelling requirements will require identification of such allergy-causing ingredients as peanuts and shellfish. How could one argue with that? Across the country, parents (among others) heave a sigh of relief at having one more tool to protect the health of their children.
But wait. What is the government not telling us? Remember that leaked report in the National Post about the government’s plan to turn over much of the work of food inspection and labelling — including of meat products and animal feed — to the private sector? Saves money, saves labour costs and fits with a government that believes in deregulation. And the downside? Could be our health.
The story revealed that an employee of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency was fired for leaking a copy of the report to his union about the coming changes. The report was detailed and the fact that these regulatory changes haven’t turned up yet has led critics to speculate Prime Minister Stephen Harper merely wants to put distance between the leaked report and the changes. It’s worth stressing these proposed changes, as detailed by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency report, would bring Canadian policy in line with testing in the United States, where private industry has a far greater say over what the public ingests, especially through the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Bush Jr., with Clinton staying the course. Writing streamlined policy — and policy that fits American requirements — is part of ongoing closed-door NAFTA regulations aimed at so-called “harmonization.” It’s doubtful the plan has been shelved, so stay tuned.
Eliminating or severely restricting government testing becomes more ominous in light of the Supreme Court decision earlier this month that paved the way for a $7-billion class action suit against the federal government on the part of 100,000 cattle ranchers. Lower courts had dismissed the suit. The ranchers argue they suffered financially during the mad cow crisis that surfaced in Canada in 2003 (and led to a ban on certain cattle exports to the U.S. and elsewhere) because the federal government dropped the ball. Although the link between BSE and feeding cattle and other livestock with animal by-products was already established and Britain banned the practice in 1988, Canada ignored the issue when it revised regulations for animal feed in 1990. In Britain, cattle were being incinerated in huge pyres but it took Canada until 2007 to specifically ban animal matter in feed for livestock. That delay — and we’ll see what the court decides — came about with existing federal inspections.
And the Harper government apparently has a secret plan to reduce them further? Heaven help us.
But, hey, concentrate on the good news. It’s la-la-la summertime.
Linda Diebel
http://thestar.blogs.com/decoder/
Really, why was that comment necessary? What did you gain by it? Did you add to any debate or policy view?
You are a total waste of reading time.
By slg on 07.28.08 9:38 am
It was an attempt to display the average I.Q of the CPC supporter.
So…you have a rotted tooth that matches your rotted attitude.
Really, why was that comment necessary? What did you gain by it? Did you add to any debate or policy view?
You are a total waste of reading time.
By slg on 07.28.08 9:38 am
My contribution on this blog is much like yours—-useless.
But boy it make me feels good.
If there is one thing I hate more than a Liberal it is a preaching Liberal. If you don’t like it don’t read it.
Remove Paradis: NDP…
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080728/ndp_panel_080728/20080728?hub=Politics
Good Move by Monte Solberg…
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20080728/celil_benefits_AM_080728/20080728/?hub=TorontoNewHome
Garth … Is your generous offer to send a limo to pick me up and return me still on the table?
I will be in a better position to know by August 13th if I’m able to attend, i.e. one week prior to the August 20th meeting.
Thanks.
Realistic management has arrived!
BCE cuts 2,500 management jobs
This is what GM & Ford need to do as well. Get rid of overly burdensome management, whose primary functions are to write unneeded and meaningless reports for the management above them.
Having too much management and not enough actually real world productivity that generates customer satisfaction and real profits are what has killed both the automotive and communications industries.
I will certainly appreciate attending any such meeting if it is held in Montreal. I would be asking about the promised support for Income Trusts. BTW I live in the Marc Garneau riding and I have not heard anything from the guy.
Have you asked? — Garth
Mr. Garth TurnerMP, Bloggers and all,
I got this important e-mail today.
Respected Politicians and Citizens:
Next Week Major Events are taking place in Toronto which will impact the issue of water fluoridation in Canada, and all communities.
1) Thursday, August 7th, Press Conference at Queens’s Park
2) Friday – Saturday, August 8-9th, International Society for Fluoride Research Conference, U of T, Mississauga Campus
3) Sunday, August 10th, Fluoride Action Network Conference, U of T, Mississauga
4) Monday, August 11th, free Fluoride Forums (details below)
It is important for our community to be kept up-to-date on new science, and some health alerts which have been issued. Please educate yourselves. Municipal Public Health and Health Canada policies are now lagging far behind the scientific research. Hundreds of doctors and scientists are providing the facts for us. Let’s listen.
More info on events at http://www.fluoridealert.org
Please share this with others.
Cindy
I know exactly how this baby feels. I’d scream my lungs out if that person (using the term loosely) was that close to me, too.
http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/news/1419/
What is the first thing you do in the morning & the last thing you do at night? U-P
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.28.08 9:58 am
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Bill, I noticed that you avoided ye olde English euphemism involving sex and UP!
Just too many examples at hand, eh?
Totally OT but frustrating. We get calls which show up on our display as 000 000 0000. Unfortunately, some times I pick it up before checking the no. I realize its probably an automated computer dialer. Someone said to press the # button several times to ’screw’ up the ’system’. Doesn’t seem to work. My question – are they just trying to see if someone is home?
Saturday 2 am the phone rang. I was awake, after having gone to bed around 8or 9 pm, slightly worried that it was a call from overseas about my PILs. DH had left Friday am for a BMW biker rally in Grand Falls, but I has spoken to him & knew he had arrived safely. It was a young chap’s voice on the line, and I could hear young females laughing in the background. I said I thought he had the wrong number. Then he asked me IS YOUR FRIDGE RUNNING. I hung up. Hey I remember that prank from when I was a teenager. Last eve. when DH arrived home I told him about it and he called the number and name that showed up as having called at 2:00 am. & why I had been upset. He apologized and said it was a stupid thing to have made that call. We accepted his apology. I’m thankful that it was just a prank. Kids will be kids. We used to do the same thing, just not that late, but now there’s caller ID.
Actually, he & his friends could have been up to much more mischief at that time of night.
“Such an attack would undoubtedly cripple McCain’s chances for the presidency
By Charles Oxley on 07.28.08 1:29 am
That is undoubably the spin of the year.
Hurt MaCain`s chances? I don`t see why it would considering the Democrats have engaged in US military action more than the Republicans.
Has anyone figured out what the plan for Canada is yet?
We are surviving on a commodity based economy relying on global demand. Global demand is falling so why the speculation in commodities? It ties into the arms convention to be held in Ottawa in September. Bolstering the global arms race pays big benefits to Canada as war uses all the raw resources on tap giving our economy another run.
If you`re not paying attention practice assembling an M-16 blindfolded, you`ll need the skills.
For those that continually repost full msm articles. We spend time on the Internet to get away from the crap. If you find an interesting point it is enough with the link. If you post the whole article we tend to skip it all including the point of interest.
Please follows Charles example although Charles, I tend to move through omibuss posts missing some. One topic, one post, preferable the thread topic gets the most attention.
lol, that was two, just making the point the first was the important one but the second will get the attention.
“Any chance it could be a web cast event? Or recorded and available for watching for those who cannot make it personally. YouTube maybe?”
Funny – I made that very suggestion to Esther the other day. How ’bout it, Garth? Can Sprawlville come and record it all for YouTube posterity? Or will we be seeing the resurrection of MPTV?
And what about the WiFi? I’ll be blogging the event of course, but I’d really love to LIVE blog it. Hook me up!
Oh, please, please read this.
http://www.harperindex.ca/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=0019
“Earlier this month, on a summer Friday afternoon, Stephen Harper appointed his former boss, Reform Party founder Preston Manning, to Canada’s science advisory panel.
“With Parliament adjourned and the opposition and media corps mostly away, little mention was made of the irony of appointing a religious fundamentalist and career politico with a BA in economics to the Council of Canadian Academies.”
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That’s a pretty weird thing to do considering they damn well nearly hate each other.
The rest of the article dishes on Harper and his boot-to-the-head, knife-in-the-ribs, kick-them-under-the-bus approach to anyone who stands in his way to becoming Supreme Leader.
I don’t know much about Manning’s scientific expertise (not huge, I wouldn’t imagine) but he doesn’t seem to be a liar.
Maybe Harper is trying to get in the good graces (no pun intended) of his fundamentalist religious base in time for the next election.
With them on your side, what could go wrong?
Garth – Do you know if Dion will be holding a town hall in Halifax?
Any chance it could be a web cast event? Or recorded and available for watching for those who cannot make it personally. YouTube maybe?
If either recorded or web cast, please be sure to make sure it’s copyrighted so Con hacks cannot just cut and paste from it to try and make trouble.
Thanks.
By The Man Behind the Curtain on 07.27.08 11:42 pm
Garth
I think this is an excellent idea – while I’d really, really like to attend the cost of flying to YYZ and then driving to Halton is prohibitive on my budget.
Even if I could afford it – it’s a killer on the carbon footprint. So if you want to talk and walk green the suggestion by “The Man Behind the Curtain” is a really good idea.
Here’s a thought – why don’t you ask Kady O Malley from Macleans to cover the event and liveblog it?
Nothing like getting some press and I think she would be fair and balanced.
She’s funny too.
Hi AToryNoMore on 07.27.08 11:44 pm,
If you mist it, the meeting is a public ‘free’ townhall meeting for all!
Just come and bring a or two friend!
If the large hall if full, I guess they could have it out side the place if needed? I haven’t had a good look at the hall yet, It’s only a few KM from my home.
Mr. Garth TurnerMP, Question/idea
Has anyone thought about being able to move the the audio system or stage outside if needed? Maybe us a local FM radio frequence so if the place is over flowing person could still lisen on there car radio. But there is that radio town farm across the street that may cause interferance?
Wll Canada be more caring than Washington on foreclosures?
morris108.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/re-the-housing-bill-capitalism-saying-foreclose-will-fuel-a-needed-revolution/
Harry,
As I mentioned above, it is impossible for me to come. However, if you went to Garth’s event, that would show some courage and conviction.
Daryn
DOESN’T BODE WELL FOR THE PARTY IN POWER…PEOPLE ALWAYS VOTE EM OUT NOT IN…
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=d69e4859-069d-404a-84f1-816025bebd47
http://www.namastepublishing.co.uk/Populations%20Exposed%20to%20Enviromental%20Uranium.htmLeuren
By John Duddy on 07.28.08 12:30 am
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Dear John: This link does not connect with any known web pages. Depleted Uranium is a very serious subject that I like to keep up with the latest info. Please advise us of the correct link.
As some of you may know, DU or U238 is believed to be the cause of the so called Gulf War Syndrome. It was used in the high impact projectiles for bunker busting, penetration of armor plating, and other enhanced shielding of military targets. U238 is also a toxic heavy metal to be avoided when eating or drinking, ie. MUST NOT BE INGESTED OR INHALED!
There are some very special unavoidable uses of U238 like shielding of radio active isotopes, and reactor structures that are “critical”, etc. The shielding (containment) of Cobalt60, for instance, that is used for industrial radiography (x-raying), cancer therapy, and spent control rods from reactors is the most efficient method, since it’s mass is about double that of lead, or 50% more than Tungsten! Hence DU ie. U238 is vitally necessary, but needs to be highly controlled and remain sealed/contained!
If you see that radiation warning placard, it is likely that U238 may also be present. TTFOF
(Time to F… Off Fast)
Radiation protection principles are:
Time, Distance and Shielding
Reduce your time of exposure,
Increase your distance from the source
(mathematically the dose is reduced by the square of the distance away),
Shielding can be anything that has sufficient mass to absorb the flux field of the emitted radiation such as a pile of clay, a concrete wall, a tunnel, etc.
For your understanding, different rays have different penetrating power. Gamma rays from Cobalt60 are some of the highest penetrating power and can be used to x-ray through 4 feet of concrete using enhanced sensitivity! So just forget about tin foil hats, and other mythology. The black and yellow diamonded rope with radiation warning signs means KEEP OUT NOW! These barriers have been set up calculating the distance required for public safety as legislated.
Hi John Duddy on 07.28.08 12:30 am,
The link isn’t working for me?
Garth
That picture looks strangely familiar, much like one in my camera
So lets be real for a while and agree that after the next election, either Dion or Harper will no longer be leader of their respective parties because which ever party loses the election will have a new leader.
By Van on 07.28.08 6:49 am
Hi Van, If you asked the GreenParty people they might change your ‘or’ to maybe both, or just Harper.
It’s one thing for a local nobody like me to open the doors. -Garth
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You are just the opposite of a nobody, Mr. Turner. Your experiments in digital political dialog have created a persona far bigger than even you know! These pages may well be the wave of the future of campaigning and become the Pioneering Records to be researched some day.
Now, what I can see is that this daily blog also has a price and cost. Every comment emailed must be read, filtered, and reviewed for the obvious reasons. That is a task that is monumental and unending. Your staff and yourself must be congratulated for the manner and style in which you perform and succeed.
Take care, design in a rest and re-cooperation break for the coming major events ahead, Good Captain Garth.
Hi wjp on 07.28.08 7:33 am,
I hope all involved, both side, get help to deal with the physical and emotional issues.
To bad PMSH and the Bush gangs and there families can’t be put on the front line so they can gain a better prospective as to what they are really doing! They might take more care and do thing differntly so everyone can have a better life on our only planet.
Here is a bit of reality if you can take it.
It is time for our annual Salmon fishing trip to Alaska except for 1 tiny problem. THERE ARE NO SALMON!!!! Where 500 fish come through the counters there are 9, where a thousand come through there are a hundred and on our usual spot where 9,000 come through there are 800 this year. This is common from California north to Alaska.
So rather than spend hundreds of dollars on fuel on the 4 hour trip to Haines over the coastal mountain range we would fish some favoutite spots around home instead. Since my wife is allergic to shellfish this is the one time each year I can pig out on seafood from the local fish store down there fresh from the ocean. So I went in to superstore to see what they have instead. Everything with SEAQEAST on the package was product of China and everything else from Thailand!!!!!!! I asked and they sell nothing from North America!!!!
It was most interesting that some Chinese products were labeled WILD PACIFIC SALMON yet there are no salmon rivers in China. Hell they even have a smoked salmon industry because that was the only smoked salmon available!!!
Oh Yah those fake crab and lobster products made from Pollack actually fished by Alaskans come at a dear price. In last weeks paper they announced the salmon by-catch from the fleet was 120,000 salmon which are now at the bottom of the gulf of Alaska!!!! why you say? Because they are not allowed to sell them, only pollack so they toss them overboard!!!!! Guess where those fish would have returned to if they were alive?
There is obviously only one chance of this world surviving and that is to end globalism, Nafta and all the other B.S. and replace it with a carbon tax to level the playing field for ALL countries and tax the crap out of transportation to start buying local again where we have a stake in preserving the future of where we live.
BTW there are not enough salmon returning this year for a run 4 years from now in most rivers. We are only a decade away at the present pillage from losing them altogether.
BCE: A simple IQ test for Jim Flaherty
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/07/bce-simple-iq-test-for-jim-flaherty.html
BCE’s massive layoffs and how Jack Layton is out of touch with the global labour movement
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/07/bces-massive-layoffs-and-how-jack.html
Hey, if the liberal’s fantastic new plan will be a boon for western Canada, why not try it where it really needed?
Ontario’s economy seems to be slipping a bit, so why not focus the Shaft there?
Dion was on the radio a while back saying how Saskatchewan would be much better off in the long run after being Shafted.
But we’re doing quite well right now, so instead of helping us by smashing our economy and buying votes in the east with our cash, why not do it the other way around.
Smash what’s left of Ontario’s economy instead and give us the loot.
According to the liberals they are going to do us a big favour by stealing from us and wrecking our economy so we can build an even better one.
Wouldn’t it be fairer to let Ontario go first in this wonderful new plan to stimulate economic growth by looting their economy first?
And after it all works out for the best, it would be a tad easier to sell the West on the Shaft.
So how about it Garth? If the Shaft is going to be so good for Saskatchewan and Alberta, why not Shaft Ontario first?
It’s a liberal plan and the liberals mostly live in the east, so why don’t you go Shaft yourselves?
Leave us alone.
I heard on the radio this morning that if Dion was to force an election this fall and losees, the December party convention becomes a leadership review? If Dion waits until after December to force an election and loses, he can keep his leadership until the next convention in 2010? Is this why Ignatiaff and Rae want a fall election so bad?
“But we’re doing quite well right now, so instead of helping us by smashing our economy and buying votes in the east with our cash, why not do it the other way around.”
By Stan…
LMAO…the only one running around the country trying to buy votes in Ontario and Quebec is Harper….billions into Ontario, 1.3 billion extra for Quebec…and 623 million for 3 provinces out west…if anyone is giving you the Shaft, it is Harper…LMAO…
By Essential Reductions….. on 07.28.08 1:16 pm
Good comment and information. Being Certified Aerial Radiation Monitor for FEMA I can say. BRAVO! You made it simple and concise for general knowledge.
THESE SETTLING PONDS…WOULD THEY BE THE SAME ONES THAT MASSACRED THE BIRDS?
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=4cbba726-643d-4c07-b069-adb46cc0bb14
Brian Wilson: Thank you for admitting you are entirely useless.
Van: You got it right: Dion is doing his job.
Is this why Ignatiaff and Rae want a fall election so bad?
By Marc on 07.28.08 1:55 pm
You have a link Marc for Rae & Iggy panting for a fall election?
Totally OT but frustrating. We get calls which show up on our display as 000 000 0000. Unfortunately, some times I pick it up before checking the no. I realize its probably an automated computer dialer.
By kpn on 07.28.08 12:10 pm
Funny you should mention that. I was talking to Bell Canada this morning and the subject was discussed. The 000-000-000, or 555-333-444, or 123-456-7890 are numbers the telemarketers have hacked into the Nortel DMS system with. Bell explained they are working on it but it requires a software updates to the Nortel DMS switches. Those numbers were made available for Bell system usage, and, unfortunately, become available to their line leasees.
Personally, I turn off the ringer at 10PM and let everything go to Voice Messaging. Oddly, they are in violation of Canada’s telecommunications laws by failign to identify themselves. Another case for CSIS and the RCMP to investigate. Hopefully there will be arrests, fines, and jail time?
I would strongly support the Singapore Caning for all caught in addition to the previously stated penalties.
“But we’re doing quite well right now, so instead of helping us by smashing our economy and buying votes in the east with our cash, why not do it the other way around.”
By Stan…
LMAO…the only one running around the country trying to buy votes in Ontario and Quebec is Harper….billions into Ontario, 1.3 billion extra for Quebec…and 623 million for 3 provinces out west…if anyone is giving you the Shaft, it is Harper…LMAO…
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Dion admits 40% of the loot from the green shaft will come from Alberta and Saskatchewan and that the money will not remain there.
You do know that this plan will do nothing for the environment, don’t you?
It’s about buying votes in the east with money stolen form the West.
By wjp on 07.28.08 9:30 am
I suggest watching Jon Stewart’s or Stephen Colbert’s show online. They have McCain nailed perfectly. The American MSM are so worthless I do not even bother listening, much less watching their opinions.
I’m wondering if it would be possible for you to pass some of my contact information off to anyone from Manitoba and further west who would be willing to pick up a young “hitcher” in Manitoba for the ride. I’m of course willing to chip in my fair share of the costs but getting to Halton could be a challenge.
If your okay with that or you see any opening please consider this. Thanks, Jamie, Brandon, MB.”
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If this Jamie person is sincere and really wants to come all the way from Brandon to Oakville………. I’ll kick in $100 to his expenses.
Any young person who wants to engage in honest politics is worth the investment.
Garth, put him in touch with me.
Where are Iggy and Rae on this? Are they hiding under the bed until the fan stops turning?
Or is this just part of their plan to get rid of Dion?
Send the poor sap out to sell this farce and get a few key second level liberals to back stab him on everything he says, then either force a leadership review after the by-elections or stick the voters with a 300 million dollar election so they can gas him after he loses.
Oh, and screw the environment and the economy along the way.
GUTTER POLITICS FROM THE RIGHT…LOOK WHO IS ENGAGING IN THEM NOW…
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/28/politics/politico/main4298212.shtml
Bill, I noticed that you avoided ye olde English euphemism involving sex and UP!
Just too many examples at hand, eh?
By Essential Reductions….. on 07.28.08 12:07 pm
I just pasted what I got. The examples are endless. LOL
Like Yew, ewe, you, ‘A’, eh?
Bye, by, buy for now. See, sea, Si, ‘C’ you later!
It’s about buying votes in the east with money stolen form the West.
By Stan on 07.28.08 2:12 pm
Where do you think Harper is getting the billions he is dishing out in the East…there are none so blind as those who will not see….LMAO…
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.28.08 2:11 pm
When my wife and I were visiting California last, the hotel we were staying in had a telemarketers conference going on. I watched some attendees leave the conference and go to their rooms. At 3 A.M I used the room to room calling feature and when the telemarketer was on the phone, I asked if they could donate to the insomniacs association of America. I got swore at and hung up on? Do telemarketers not like telemarketers? I thought they should have been polite at least.
It’s a liberal plan and the liberals mostly live in the east, so why don’t you go Shaft yourselves?
Leave us alone.
By Stan on 07.28.08 1:44 pm
Stan, are you in Alberta or Sask? If you’re in Alberta you are already getting the shaft from Eddie and you don’ t even know it. How stupid are you?
OR, if you’re in Sask, you need only to watch the developments in Wild Rose Country to get a glimpse of your future.
These royalty rates are a farce.
They are designed to serve the GREED of the energy sector and to ignore the NEED of the citizens.
The energy sector, if left on their own to mind the store, will never take responsibility for the damage they inflict on the environment.
If you think otherwise it’s because you’re only listening to people in the PR departments of the oil companies or watching too many of their TV commercials.
I love living in Calgary and after 30 years, I think it’s the best city in the country. I want to keep it that way and progress to make it even better. But thick heads like yours don’t help matters. We can’t continue to sweep the wrong under the carpet forever. It’s time to get off this west vs east nonsense and DO THE RIGHT THING.
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New search engine rivals Google .
By Marc on 07.28.08 2:22 pm
ROFLMAO! Perrrrrfect!
By Marc on 07.28.08 2:22 pm
That’s as good as being at Hooker’s Convention asking ‘Trick or Treat?’
I’m coming and I don’t meen that in a dirty way. By Andrew on 07.28.08 12:18 am
Good grief – real high-brow, are we not? Is it really necessary to write stuff like that?
A few thoughts:
1) Webcasting depend on the facilities at the place where you are holding the meeting, and the equipment used. I’ve done this a couple time and Garth may not be able to arrange it all. Video taping and then digitizing would be much simpler. But a live web cast would be cool.
2) You should be able to live blog from the meeting by connecting you cell phone via bluetooth to a laptop and use your phone as your internet connection. If your phone supports these features.
3) The price of oil is set BY THE WORLD MARKET, not individual oil companies. Even with the Green Shift, they’ll make a ton of money and cannot pass the cost onto consumers in any direct, or probably indirect way, of any region.
4) Alberta and Sask. INDUSTRIES produce about 40% of the CO2 and will of course be paying around 40% of the Green Shift ‘industrial’ based taxes.
5) Ontario and Quebec have 40% of population and so will be paying about 40% of the ‘individual/family’ taxes generated by the Green Shift.
Feel free to correct any of the last 3 points, if I am mistaken in my understanding.
Cowards hide behind tightly scripted media releases and staged events. People of principle, ethics, courage and character meet the public one-on-one. By TS on 07.28.08 5:49 am
Well, TS, I guess then 99.9% of all politicians are cowards and 0.01% are people of principle, etc. How many have town halls and meet the people?
Or, on the other hand, some do go out and speak with people – all parties, not just the Liberals.
I don’t even know who was the Liberal candidate in my area. The Conservative candidate came by and spoke to the residents of my street but I have never met a Liberal of NDPer in my corner of the world.
So, there are cowards and champions across the board.
Oh, and screw the environment and the economy along the way.
By Stan on 07.28.08 2:17 pm
Okay Stan, these seem to be your choices…Obama will be placing a tax on imports from the oil sands and who knows what else…that will go into the U.S. Treasury…Canadian tax dollars….so you can choose that OR
Harper is going to impose a $65 a tonne tax and that will go into the Federal coffers….nothing for you Stan….he will most likely try to buy more votes in the East with that…so you can choose that Stan….OR DIon will impose a tax on polluters and rebate that tax in income and other tax breaks to you.
Now you tell me which is the best for you Stan….A,B or C….of course you could vote NDP or Green but they have proposed taxes as well…OR…you could vote Independent and actually have some representation in Ottawa?
Dion is just trying to get out there and convince the electorate to vote Liberal in the next election which in my view is a party leader’s job. So it has very little to do with courage but rather everything to do with survival. That applies to Both Dion and Harper. By Van on 07.28.08 6:49 am
Very well put, Van. You make total sense – rational and very true what you said. Thanks.
Nelson Andrew Riis
MPs invested in here…
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=efa39914-5df5-47f2-a331-4cd833d09cbc
He was first elected to the Canadian House of Commons in the 1980 federal election. He served as House Leader from 1986 to 1996, and as Critic for Finance for a number of years. He also served as caucus chair from 1996 until his defeat in the 2000 federal election.
Another NDP Federal Finance critic shows the true skills the NDP have regarding financial matters. Funny thing is, nothings changed. Can you say INCOME TRUSTS. A fraud perpetrated by P.M. Harper and his Conservative cohorts and supported by our own Federal NDP party and Jack Layton for their own special interests.
You do know that this plan will do nothing for the environment, don’t you?
It’s about buying votes in the east with money stolen form the West.
By Stan on 07.28.08 2:12 pm
Ah, thank you for clarifying the reality of Harper’s Plan, er, non-existent plan for OUR environment.
By Essential Reductions….. on 07.28.08 1:16 pm
“Dear John: This link does not connect with any known web pages.”
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Hi John Duddy on 07.28.08 12:30 am,
The link isn’t working for me?
By Greg W., Oakville on 07.28.08 1:17 pm
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Juat tale the “Leuren” off the end so the link ends in “htm” and presto – Robert’s your father’s brother (Bob’s your uncle). Sorry. British expression. I’m bilingual in British-Canadian English.
http://www.namastepublishing.co.uk/Populations%20Exposed%20to%20Enviromental%20Uranium.htm
Can anybody please explain to me why the federal government is being blamed for the Big Three’s failures? The companies produce an inferior product. Consumers are not buying the product. How is this Harper’s fault? GM, Ford, Chrysler have gone through this during both Liberal and Conservative governments. If I recall, Ford had some major problems during the last Liberal government.
But, I digress. If the product sucks and consumers are not buying the product, what is the government to do?
Dalton tossed millions of our dollars at GM and then GM closes a major plant. Boy, that sure worked, didn’t it?
So, I ask again, why is it Harper’s fault that the Big 3 produce a product that consumers are not buying. The product is inferior and consumers are not buying it. It has nothing to do with Harper.
Marc, I just choked reading your post. What a hoot. I’m still laughing. That sounds like something from Monty Python. I wish I had been there. Classic, Marc, classic.
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WJP, “OR DIon will impose a tax on polluters and rebate that tax in income and other tax breaks to you.”
Sorry, but you haven’t been paying attention have you?
Dion has other plans for that loot.
And, he has admitted that the money taken from the West will be spent in the east.
So I like my idea better. If the liberals Shaft is going to be such an economic miracle worker like he says, try it in Ontario first.
In other words, go shaft yourselves first.
Show me us how it works, if it such a great idea you should be all lubed up and ready to go.
If it’s such a great idea, tax the living hell out of Ontario’s auto industry and give the money to the West.
His plan is to tax the hell out of the West and give the money to the east.
If that is such a great idea, then show me. Do it to yourselves first, then when we see how it produces an economic miracle, we’ll be happy to sign on.
We don’t want to be greedy and get all the shafting.
You guys should shaft yourselves and see how it feels.
Talk around that all you like, but at the end of the day Dion The Peon said Saskatchewan would be much better off in the long run after he shafts our economy.
If he’s right, the same should be true for Ontario.
No?
Funny you should mention that. I was talking to Bell Canada this morning and the subject was discussed. The 000-000-000, or 555-333-444, or 123-456-7890 are numbers the telemarketers have hacked into the Nortel DMS system with. Bell explained they are working on it but it requires a software updates to the Nortel DMS switches. Those numbers were made available for Bell system usage, and, unfortunately, become available to their line leasees.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.28.08 2:11 pm
Hi Bill – Thanks for your reply. Still not sure of their purpose. Is it just to see when someone is home? Because when I pick up the phone, the line is dead. I do get the odd call saying that I’ll receive a free gift, etc., but I immediately hang up.
Bill-Muskoka, tell me how much Dion’s plan will reduce C02 emissions.
The website will tell you haw much they will pay you for your vote, but seems to be oddly lacking in any numbers of C02 emissions.
And since the liberals are going raise taxes on diesel fuel and not raise the taxes on gasoline, and diesel produces less C02 than gasoline, it will increase C02 emissions.
And this is the really unexpected part Bill, the liberal voting east uses more of the dirty gasoline and the non liberal voting West uses more of the cleaner diesel.
Boy, I never saw that one coming!
So, screw the West and the environment, and buy votes from the corrupt dummies in the east.
It’s quite simple really, and all under the smokescreen of the biggest fraud in history, the whole AGW scam.
You do know the planet is in a cooling phase, don’t you?
But go ahead, bring on your corrupt and divisive Green Shaft, I like the idea of in independent Alberta.
Bring it on.
Now watch this drive!
Thanks CM on 07.28.08 3:03 pm,
For the working link about uranium issue you spoke of.
Did you here about the guy that calmed fluoride is ok in the drinking water was also injecting some of his hospital patients will (uranium/plutonium?)
in the 50’s to see what would happen to them!
See 29min interview to learn more about
this guy and the fluoride issue.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/bryson.htm
Weapons made from anything are not good, but make a small number of people lots of money!
We’ll need lots of Clean Nuclear Power to help stop climate change in time to make a difference and still keep the lights on and the WWW web connected/running.
Read this book and see video this link for more info on Nuclear power issue.
http://www.cravenspowertosavetheworld.com/
For more on the World class Canadian CANDU
http://www.aecl.ca/
http://www.cna.ca/
Ontario is getting more than 50% of its electricity from CANDU’s
It only takes 4 years to build them. The last few were built on time and under budget!!!
So, I ask again, why is it Harper’s fault that the Big 3 produce a product that consumers are not buying. The product is inferior and consumers are not buying it. It has nothing to do with Harper.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.28.08 3:03 pm
Oh you should know by now that Politicians are always to blame.
Right or wrong, it doesn’t seem to matter.
If I bought a car from a used-car salesperson and it turned out to be a real bargain, then I suppose I, like anyone else would take credit for a great deal.
BUT, if that car turned out to be a lemon then I know as many others, would blame that crook of a salesperson.
So when it comes to politics we the people are the ones to blame for who we put in office or rather, we always get the gov’t we deserve.
BTW, Harper’s little boy dim jim didn’t help matters much when he suggested that it isn’t a good idea to invest in Ontario.
Sorry Garth I have root canal scheduled for that day and I have opted for the less painful 2 hours.
By Brian Wilson on 07.28.08 9:11 am
Hope it hurts like hell, water head .
Blaming the government for the management failures of GM & Ford is assinine.
This coming from Free-Market, no regulation, I hate Big Government, anti-social anything neo-Cons is just as assinine. GM & Ford failed to Get it Done! It was NOT McGuinty’s, Harper’s, or anyone else’s FAULT.
Just make damn sure GM pays back the advances given by the Taxpayers via OUR government before bailing out. Property taxes as well. Let their stockholders take the hit, we already HAVE!
Stelmach plan keeps the money taken from Alberta in Alberta.
Dion’s plan takes money from the West and uses it to buy votes in the east.
Dion has admitted that.
And it will increase C02 emissions from gasoline.
Like the liberal Kieth Davies said, ‘Screw the West, we’ll take the rest’.
How long do you think the West is going to put up with such blatant vote buying?
Maybe we should put a duty on all the automobile products imported to the west from Ontario.
You know, to save the environment from all those dirty Camaros they build there.
We could buy nice clean Camaros from the US.
THESE SETTLING PONDS…WOULD THEY BE THE SAME ONES THAT MASSACRED THE BIRDS?
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=4cbba726-643d-4c07-b069-adb46cc0bb14
By wjp on 07.28.08 2:06 pm
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Absolutely not! Waubamun is due West of Edmonton, and the ponds in the oil sands developmnt where the bird kills occurred are due North of Edmonton, over 300 miles apart.
The ashes from coal combustion do contain some different toxics than the oil sands waste water ponds.
It is a LIBERAL MP, no less, none other than Garth’s colleague and fellow parliamentarian within the Liberal caucus, who is urging the people of the North to write letters in the hopes that the U.S.’ recent listing of the polar bears as a threatened species be changed.
People like this Liberal Member of Parliament (Nancy Karetak-Lindell) see clearly through the unjust way that the U. S. Department of the Interior is sticking its nose into Canadian Affairs, spurred on by the pseudo-scholarship of the likes of Al Gore, another American who has no business sticking his nose into Canadian matters, especially when it affects the livlihood of Canadians, and the human rights of the original people of the land that goes back to time immemorial.
M. Dion dare not muzzle Nancy Karetak-Lindell in her unequivocal opposition to these United States lobby interests in pressuring Canadians, even though his own thinking is influenced by the U. S. lobby groups from the south who are infiltrating Canada at an alarming rate when Canada is an independent country from the U. S., and ought not to be influenced by pressures and lobby groups from the south.
The letter writing campaign against the U. S. syndicates that the Liberal MP is encouraging came right on the heels of an announcement that the state of Alaska plans to sue to protest the polar bear’s threatened listing.
The war for truth on the status of the polar bear has just begun, and the truth will prevail. The whiteman has been wrong on almost every issue in the past that has transgressed the rights of indigenous peoples of the North, and he is dead wrong again.
It is all well and good to make apologies for past transgressions, but yet there is a tendency to keep imposing decisions on the original peoples that transgress their human rights in the name of the values of people who are alien to the North, and who know nothing about the traditional knowledge that the original peoples have had from time immemorial.
St Volodymyr’s should be ashamed of themselves for letting the party of communist dictator loving PM Pierre Trudeau hold a meeting there.
Have they forgotten that it was the Trudeau Liberals who had Canadian -Ukrainian students illegally tossed in jail for threatening
to protest the Soviet Premiers
(of the same Communist party that starved
15,000,000 Ukrainians) visit to Expo ‘67?
The only Canadian- Ukrainians who support the Liberal Party are those sleazebags who have finacially benefitted from Liberal Multiculturalism or those unfortunates who have forgotten their roots.
You do know that this plan will do nothing for the environment, don’t you?
It’s about buying votes in the east with money stolen form the West.
By Stan on 07.28.08 2:12 pm
Next up . Stan threatening Alberta separation .
Yea, the East deliberately designs programs to screw the West .
We love to hear the West howel in agony.
Meanwhile your own idiot Government gave the oil companies huge royalty gifts .
The companies screamed bloody,blue murder and threatened to leave .
How many left ? Zero .
Just be thankful Hugo Chavez is not the president of Canada .
Four cents a litre is how much petrol costs in Venezuela .
BCE: A simple IQ test for Jim Flaherty
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/07/bce-simple-iq-test-for-jim-flaherty.html
BCE’s massive layoffs and how Jack Layton is out of touch with the global labour movement
http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/2008/07/bces-massive-layoffs-and-how-jack.html
By Brent Fullard on 07.28.08 1:43 pm
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Brent, don’t you remember David Lewis as NDP Leader chastising Brian Mulroney for threatening to cut out all welfare, that he should start with the corporate welfare bums? At that point Trans Canada Pipelines had not paid any income tax for 10 1/2 years due to write offs and exemptions, plus Gen. Mtrs. was another pig at the write off trough with massive exemptions, deferrals, etc. Maybe we should mention that once a corporate welfare bum, always a corporate welfare bum? How much of today’s announcement here in Oshawa is actually a write off or write down of past earnings taxes owed? Just wondering here in the SCHWAA!
“weenies”? “cynic, fool or egomaniac”?
Garth fails to mention that the issue is whether or not town hall meetings are a good alternative to actually providing wide access to Liberal policies via other means. Garth routinely tells folks who ask him question or raise concerns to come out to one of trhe meetings and ask in person; hardly an alternative for a large part of the populace.
As to name calling it simply follows that speaks to the maturity of the person doing it, right Garth? You’re a little old to indulge in such puerile behaviour.
This’ll probably be deleted shortly, right?
mean streets seedier corners
2/3 of a billion injected into markets today by the Bank of Canada…
So, I ask again, why is it Harper’s fault that the Big 3 produce a product that consumers are not buying. The product is inferior and consumers are not buying it. It has nothing to do with Harper.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.28.08 3:03 pm
I don’t think it’s really Harper’s fault. Agree that the Big 3’s products are inferior, but I also think they’ve been in cahoots with Big Oil for years. Why did GM kill the electric car?
I don’t think that it helped the con’s image when Flaherty basically said not to invest in Ontario. There are others on this blog who can explain it far better than I. I think Harper & Flaherty’s overall mismanagement of the economy (IT’s, GST reduction instead of tax cuts, tax credits for monthly transit passes, $100./mo taxable child credits instead of spaces, subsidies for Big Oil, etc. – too many to mention) has caused people to become so frustrated with this govt. that they’ll gladly blame the 3 Big layoffs on Harper. Plus, this government assumes that Cdns are so stupid when Flaherty says the economy is in great shape while almost every province, other than Alberta & Sask. & maybe NFLD & Lab.) is losing jobs.
By Bill-Muskoka 2:18 PM
Hoe, hoe, hoe
That’s the way we grow.
Kinda reminds me of Dion trying to play Santa Claus with other peoples money. Will it fly???Who nose!!! I’ve seen a house fly and I’ve seen a horse fly and we all know that time flies like an arrow and fruit flies like a bannana.
Please give me an aspirin politician as I ache for the political winds of change.
This’ll probably be deleted shortly, right?
By John L on 07.28.08 5:19 pm
John – I’ve read most of your posts. You’re always negative, bashing Garth and the Libs. And, you expect answers from him. Do you think I’d get an answer from one con MP if I acted as you do? Not.
Will it fly???Who nose!!! I’ve seen a house fly and I’ve seen a horse fly and we all know that time flies like an arrow and fruit flies like a bannana.
Please give me an aspirin politician as I ache for the political winds of change.
By Michael on 07.28.08 5:49 pm
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That reminded my that some graduate student biologist did a study on Drysophila and published a paper claiming that 3 to 5% were gay! (gay fruit flies seems just a bit over the top to me) Now what were your observations again about which species of flies?
2/3 of a billion injected into markets today by the Bank of Canada…
By wjp on 07.28.08 5:32 pm
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What do you mean, injection? I thought Harper et al were dead set against injection sites! Where is the line up? I could do with some fraction of a billion
right now!
Stelmach plan keeps the money taken from Alberta in Alberta.
By Stan on 07.28.08 4:25 pm
And do what with it?
Oh yeah, give each and every MLA a $40,000 raise without asking me and the rest of Albertans. That adjusted their salary up to $150,000 of which one third is tax free.
What did you get that compares?
You are being played for a fool.
Next stop will be private health and you Stan ain’t gonna be able to afford it.
I’m quite sick of the notion that Eddie thinks he and his cabinet should be so entitled without any accountability. But as long as the public remains as stupid as you the Cons and the energy companies will carry on as usual and it will spread across the land with the help of Harpie.
Just try to think for once.
“money stolen form the West.”
By Stan 07.28.08 2:12 pm
The west was formed by money stolen, according to the way Stan says it.
… Freudian slip?
Judging by our weak Alberta Conservative politicians having always caved in to greedy big oil and never charging proper royalties of those huge multi-national oil companies, forever robbing Albertans in the name of their own greedy and political gains, I think Stan’s slip is apropos.
By Stan on 07.28.08 3:38 pm
Glad to hear you want your tax dollars going to the U.S. LMAO….
This is a DIRECT RESULT of Harpers Income Trust Betrayal.
….don’t forget to add Slap Happy Jackie Layton to the list.
You know, hatred is a strong word and strong feeling….look what happened in Tennessee…a man open fired on kids in a church…because he hates anything Liberal. This is how Conservatives deal with their extreme hatred?
How long do you think the West is going to put up with such blatant vote buying?
Maybe we should put a duty on all the automobile products imported to the west from Ontario.
You know, to save the environment from all those dirty Camaros they build there.
We could buy nice clean Camaros from the US.
By Stan on 07.28.08 4:25 pm
Come on Stan, you are making an ass of yourself, Harper is buying votes in the East…and the Green Shift has a tax rebate in it for all Canadians….try making some sense…you are clouded by your hatred of Liberals….grow up Stan and learn to read….
Option A B or C Stan? …by doing nothing you will be sending your taxes to Uncle Sam….so you would rather have it go to the States….there will be a tax regardless, either Obama on imports, Harper $65 a tonne, or Dion’s green shift which you obviously haven’t read….
So suck it up….you will be paying regardless…question is only where you want your tax dollars to go…
1. United States
2. Harper vote buying slush fund.
3. Dion’s Green Shift.
By Bill-Muskoka on 07.28.08 9:58 am
That’s because English isn’t one language, but many!
And now for something completely different part 2.
You forgot the minute speck of dust will be swept up in a minute.
And while the words you list with different pronunciations and meanings with same spellings could drive you crazy…
many of the others are due to slang… nowhere but NA. are they called French Fries, they are chips; what you would call chips are crisps; the hamburger was named after the city; minced/ground beef is what you would call hamburger only because that’s the main incredient; hydro means water (technically hydrogen) yet we get a hydro bill for electricity (a minority is produced from hydro electric generation); you drive on the pavement, the English walk on it but that’s a sidewalk to you; only in the US. is it called soccer, that’s football to the ROW; and the best of the rest… if you’re in the UK. don’t ask a British lady about her fanny pack, she’s likely to swat you upside the head!
Let’s hope that Dion is still the leader of the Liberal party on August 20th … because it sounds like the knives are already coming out according to today’s Hill Times in this article:
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=2008/july/28/backrooms/&c=2
There you have it, Stephane Dion’s position as Leader of the Liberal Party is merely a formality at this point.
Supporters of both the Ignatieff and Rae camps are now moving against one-another, trying to position their candidates for a leadership race.
Please give me an aspirin politician as I ache for the political winds of change.
By Michael on 07.28.08 5:49 pm
Well then you should hope that Marc Garneau wins in Westmont. He would be officially the first space cadet M.P., although I am certain some would argue we have had space cadet M.P.s for some time.
Men With Hats, are you ignorant of the fact that Marc Lalonde admitted the liberal NEP was designed to clip Alberta’s wings?
I doubt they tell all the eager young green cadets that little tidbit of info.
But it’s true. The original NEP was designed to harm Alberta’s economy and the liberals admitted it.
So, yeah, I do believe the east deliberately designs programs to screw the West .
It’s about the only thing the liberals tell me that I do believe.
But please bring it on.
Try stealing from us again with your corrupt and cynical vote buying scheme and let’s let the chips fall where they may.
And as far a oil companies leaving Alberta over Stelmach’s royalty increase, they stayed, but they spent their exploration and production money elsewhere.
I see no one from Ontario has signed on to give Ontario the Green Shaft first.
Why is that?
If it’s such a great idea for the West’s economic development, surely it would be even better for you if you were in the cross hairs of this new tax.
What’s the matter?
Cat’s got your tongue?
No one seems to be able to explain how if screwing the west and giving the money to the east is such a great thing for the west, how the same plan in reverse wouldn’t be great for the east.
Why is that?
Is it because you know it’s a cynical liberal plan to buy votes with money stolen from the West?
Come on ladies, Dion said it would be a great thing for Saskatchewan if he imposed this tax on Saskatchewan.
Why wouldn’t it be a great thing for Ontario if they were the ones getting the Shaft instead?
What’s the matter?
A dumb old redneck rube has asked a question you can’t answer?
That must burn.
What a bunch of gullible fools.
Just be thankful Hugo Chavez is not the president of Canada .
Four cents a litre is how much petrol costs in Venezuela .
By Men With Hats on 07.28.08 4:39 pm
Wow! That must be good for the environment.
Is Dion going to slap some duties on Venezuela to punish them for making it inexpensive to spew C02?
How long do you think the West is going to put up with such blatant vote buying?
By Stan on 07.28.08 4:25 pm
Well – you seem to be OK with Harper giving Billions to Quebec and Ontario now.
Your posts and arguments are non-sensical, full of rhetoric and bile.
Tell me, do you HONESTLY believe that Harper does not have a carbon tax of some sort in the wings? (Remember, he stated in Europe that a tax of $65 a tonne was reasonable – last time I checked, $65 is MORE than $40).
I’m still undecided on the shift – I look forward to meeting Mr. Dion, and hearing him speak on it. But I will give him this – he is being the most honest about taxing carbon – at least way more honest than Mr. Harper is being.
You can go back to threating seperation now.
If Garth chooses not to reply to a comment that’s one thing, and good for him. If, however Garth has deceded to simply begin deleting posts he disapproves of that’ll have a considerable impact on what, if any, value there is to the comments posted here. Garth can certainly pick and choose which comments to post, however there’s no question that it impacts on the quality of what gets seen here by everyone else. Consider the howling if Garth’s soundbites where selectively deleted by anyone else; he’d be bitter.
As to be “negative” does that mean that Garth shouldn’t be using this use to launch almost universally nasty attacks on the Cons?
Presumably Garth should be held to the same level of standards as everyone else, right?
What have you contributed to this conversation recently? The posts of yours that have been deleted are trite, spiteful, ad hominem junk. And I will continue to block them. You are one of only three people of the many who come here that have merited this. Proud? — Garth
I hope it’s only 4%. I remember the Trudeau years of 11% with interest rates around 16%. Whew, those Trudeau years were certainly wonderful.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.28.08 2:44 pm
It seems like the early 1980s world-wide recession all over again, with suspicious similarities. By Barb the proof-reader on 07.26.08 11:46 pm
Yup – those were Trudeau (Liberal) years.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.28.08 12:44 pm
So, I ask again, why is it Harper’s fault that the Big 3 produce a product that consumers are not buying. The product is inferior and consumers are not buying it. It has nothing to do with Harper.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.28.08 3:03 pm
So I ask you, brainofaspaniel, how is Trudeau at fault for causing a world wide recession?
A dumb old redneck rube has asked a question you can’t answer?
That must burn.
What a bunch of gullible fools.
By Stan on 07.28.08 7:04 pm
The real fool here is you Stan, the Green Shift will be applied all over Canada at the same time, not one province first and then another. The polluters pay Stan, not you!
Now where do you want the polluters money to go, A, B or C….
You obviously can’t follow that. guess it is too complicated for you….
You have a wonderful evening…
Excellent article by David Crane ( crane@interlog.com ) in today’s KDC.
Heading is ‘Galbraith warned us a decade ago’.
Taken from a speech in 1998 at Victoria University in Toronto, there are three points which are out of kilter now:
1) “. . . the market is unreliable in its performance — that it moves from good to bad times, from boom to bust because the system, by its nature, is given to speculative excess . . .”
(Reminds me of the book Boom, Bust and Echo — either way, the majority, who have done little or no planning, get caught short at the worst possible time — never bothered to spend time pre-planning.)
2) “. . . the market system distributes income in a highly unequal fashion . . .”
(I.E.: Management officials see pay raises, bonuses, stock options, etc., skyrocket, while workers, who actually put products together, are laid off, plants shut down and then re-opened in countries where labor costs are markedly cheaper.)
3) “. . . the allocation between public and private services and functions. . . . all needed more by the poor than the rich are seen as a burden . . .”
Much more to it but, to a large extent, globalization sucks, simply because it is making the rich mighty rich, and turning the rest of Canada into a third world country.
Say, when is the election being held? Prior to Xmas?
Ohhhh goodie, there will be a brand new Lib. govt. taking the reins, just in time for New Year 2009!
Enough of this garbage!
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Well-fed people can only eat so much. Comment courtesy wrh.com
“. . . which will trigger food riots . . . which will bring on the revolution.”
http://tinyurl.com/55z7cr
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At least Canada is better at two things than the US — hockey and taxes!
http://tinyurl.com/5kflsh
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Why would the msm announce that the US is heading for a “heightened alert state”?
Or, more to the point, are sheeple being lied to about another ‘false flag operation’, so the US can target Iran?
http://tinyurl.com/6ywzf2
In case anyone did not know, Costco (US) has raised overall prices approx. 15%, so I guess we can expect the same, if not more here.
Kind of related topic:
I watched an American news station tonite and one of the news articles talked about how the Americans have dropped the total mileage travelled in the United States in May and June by 9,000,000,000 (nine billion miles).
That is the equivalent mileage of 215 trips to the sun.
It’s both the economy and the environment causing the change in attitude.
Gee, I love Americans, when there are problems and when things get rough they get motivated always find the way out.
God Bless Them!
You can go back to threating seperation now.
By Tim N on 07.28.08 7:13 pm
YES WE CAN
From the Party that gave us legal child porn, child sex, and the Party that says government corruption is good for the country we get called losers. Well I guess that`s the only defense Garth has in the face of the truth about government. Too bad, guess what, Ontario has paid the price first and will continue to pay the biggest bill.
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“Sorry Garth I have root canal scheduled for that day and I have opted for the less painful 2 hours.
By Brian Wilson on 07.28.08 9:11 am”
Obviously maturity is a foreign concept to you.
“And since the liberals are going raise taxes on diesel fuel and not raise the taxes on gasoline, and diesel produces less C02 than gasoline, it will increase C02 emissions.
And this is the really unexpected part Bill, the liberal voting east uses more of the dirty gasoline and the non liberal voting West uses more of the cleaner diesel. By Stan on 07.28.08 3:46 pm”
Stan your posting is factually incorrect. You would be well advised to check your facts before you post something since it makes you look, well.. stupid. Diesel produces more CO2 per gallon than gasoline.
http://www.epa.gov/oms/climate/420f05001.htm
Calculating CO2 emissions
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Exit EPA disclaimer guidelines for calculating emissions inventories require that an oxidation factor be applied to the carbon content to account for a small portion of the fuel that is not oxidized into CO2. For all oil and oil products, the oxidation factor used is 0.99 (99 percent of the carbon in the fuel is eventually oxidized, while 1 percent remains un-oxidized.)[1.]
Finally, to calculate the CO2 emissions from a gallon of fuel, the carbon emissions are multiplied by the ratio of the molecular weight of CO2 (m.w. 44) to the molecular weight of carbon (m.w.12): 44/12.
CO2 emissions from a gallon of gasoline = 2,421 grams x 0.99 x (44/12) = 8,788 grams = 8.8 kg/gallon = 19.4 pounds/gallon
CO2 emissions from a gallon of diesel = 2,778 grams x 0.99 x (44/12) = 10,084 grams = 10.1 kg/gallon = 22.2 pounds/gallon
Note: These calculations and the supporting data have associated variation and uncertainty. EPA may use other values in certain circumstances, and in some cases it may be appropriate to use a range of values.
“So, there are cowards and champions across the board.
By heartofnathaniel on 07.28.08 2:53 pm”
Yes, there are. I was careful not to mention any names in my posting. It was a general observation about politicians.
By James- Chatham on 07.28.08 6:55 pm
In other words, those specifically of the Sheriff in ‘Cool Hand Luke’, ‘What we have here is a failure to communicate!’ LOL
Regardless, (Not irregardless which is not an actual word), we may hear here, but we may not be hearing what is meant?
Otherwise it may be a moot (not mute) point regarding your point about the meaning?
Stan, it appears that you need to educate yourself on the tremendous costs of the Alberta Tar Sands that are putting on your province, including massive C02 emissions, rising cancer rates, and water table depletion and pollution….just to mention a few.
Alberta has no “God given right” to destroy Canada’s environment and accelerate world pollution. Like it or not, Alberta has a moral obligation to the rest of the world.
http://environmentalism.suite101.com/article.cfm/alberta_tar_sands
http://www.nrdc.org/media/docs/060607a.pdf
http://www.tarsandswatch.org/pollution-terms-albertas-wealth-based-dirty-dollars
http://stoptarsands.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/alberta-tar-sands-to-bring-acid-rain-to-saskatchewan/
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2008/01/25/TarSands/
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/tar-sands-most-destructive-project.php
http://www.wildernesscommittee.org/campaigns/wildlands/boreal/alberta/reports/Vol27No04/article1
http://www.environmentillinois.org/issues/new-energy-future/stop-the-tar-sands-oil-rush
http://www.ecojustice.ca/media-centre/press-releases/green-groups-in-court-to-defend-alberta-tar-sands-victory/
http://www.aenweb.ca/node/2151
By kpn on 07.28.08 3:41 pm
You are being called by a computer. Courtesy is NOT required. HANG UP!
I also keep a log and after three calls refer the number to the authorities.
A dumb old redneck rube has asked a question you can’t answer?
That must burn.
What a bunch of gullible fools.
By Stan on 07.28.08 7:04 pm
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Very simple and explainable answer Stanley, from a Vancouver Island redneck. Harpers a lying SOB.
Hugo Chavez sounds good to me as a relacement for Harper . At least you know who you,re dealing with. Harpers a slippery low life lying bottom feeder, who,s word means dick. As for the gullible fools,you,ve got that right,at least when Harper the Lying King makes promises he had no intention of making. I know Stanley,I voted for the lying SOB,and i,ve been eating crow ever since. My butt is black and blue from taking my lumps for being taken in by our illustrious piece of CRAP P.M. Makes you want to vomit knowing this crook is the Prime Minister of Canada.Harper and his CON party just have to go. East or West,what does it matter. A liars a liar where ever he goes. You know what they say about time Stanley! East is least and West is Best. Being from as far West as a person can go,i,m not so sure this is valid anymore. Hopefully the 40% of the population in Ontario are pi$$ed enough with Harper to give him the boot. And this character Harper has been credited with being a master manipulator. Looks like he,ll manipulate himself and his party right out of office. I,m loading up with tomatoes in the hope he drops by our riding. I,ve got enough to share with that other lying crook Jack Layton and his NDP party selling himself as champion for the little guy. Any other questions Stanley ?
My posts you delete are “trite, spiteful, ad hominem junk”?
Really? That’s the problem isn’t it; nobody apart from you knows whether or not that’s actually true. You’re profoundly unwilling to let other folks read and decide for themselves.
As to the “many that come here” you may or may not have noticed that you’ve got, maybe, two dozen people who contribute the overwhelming number of posts.
And, fortunately, you are no longer one of them. Enjoy Blogging Tories. — Garth
KPN,
Good post. I found another interesting one at the link you provided:
Why bother the public with bad news on food safety?
Tricky, tricky Ottawa — it’s got to be a strategy. It’s been all good news this week from the federal health ministry with the announcement new labelling requirements will require identification of such allergy-causing ingredients as peanuts and shellfish. How could one argue with that? Across the country, parents (among others) heave a sigh of relief at having one more tool to protect the health of their children.
But wait. What is the government not telling us? Remember that leaked report in the National Post about the government’s plan to turn over much of the work of food inspection and labelling — including of meat products and animal feed — to the private sector? Saves money, saves labour costs and fits with a government that believes in deregulation. And the downside? Could be our health.
The story revealed that an employee of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency was fired for leaking a copy of the report to his union about the coming changes. The report was detailed and the fact that these regulatory changes haven’t turned up yet has led critics to speculate Prime Minister Stephen Harper merely wants to put distance between the leaked report and the changes. It’s worth stressing these proposed changes, as detailed by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency report, would bring Canadian policy in line with testing in the United States, where private industry has a far greater say over what the public ingests, especially through the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Bush Jr., with Clinton staying the course. Writing streamlined policy — and policy that fits American requirements — is part of ongoing closed-door NAFTA regulations aimed at so-called “harmonization.” It’s doubtful the plan has been shelved, so stay tuned.
Eliminating or severely restricting government testing becomes more ominous in light of the Supreme Court decision earlier this month that paved the way for a $7-billion class action suit against the federal government on the part of 100,000 cattle ranchers. Lower courts had dismissed the suit. The ranchers argue they suffered financially during the mad cow crisis that surfaced in Canada in 2003 (and led to a ban on certain cattle exports to the U.S. and elsewhere) because the federal government dropped the ball. Although the link between BSE and feeding cattle and other livestock with animal by-products was already established and Britain banned the practice in 1988, Canada ignored the issue when it revised regulations for animal feed in 1990. In Britain, cattle were being incinerated in huge pyres but it took Canada until 2007 to specifically ban animal matter in feed for livestock. That delay — and we’ll see what the court decides — came about with existing federal inspections.
And the Harper government apparently has a secret plan to reduce them further? Heaven help us.
But, hey, concentrate on the good news. It’s la-la-la summertime.
http://thestar.blogs.com/decoder/
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I saved yours and this one under NAU. Thanks for posting that.
TS, you forgot that diesels get much better mileage than gasoline engines, partly because of the higher amount of energy in diesel and partly because of the inherent efficiency of turbocharged diesel engines.
Yes, you are right, there is more C02 produced by a gallon of diesel than a gallon of gasoline, but that’s because it has more energy in it.
At the end of the day, a diesel produces less C02 per mile because of the higher energy content of the fuel and the higher efficiency of the diesel engine.
Increasing the taxes on diesel fuel but not gasoline will increase C02 emissions.
Nice try though.
Should have done your homework a little better.
If Obama leads the US into a depression, McdubyaCain heads into more and more wars (as he is a clone of dubya), which is better?
Ask folk in the depression and soldiers in the battlefield — that’s where one finds the answers!
http://tinyurl.com/57wkxa
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John Thomson’s column on castanet.net had some interesting info:
“Located at the southern end of Vancouver Island, the City of Langford is a growing community of over 25,000 and the city is tired of graffiti. The citizens are unhappy with the way courts handle the sentences for these crimes and all the damage that is being done so they are planning civil lawsuits. The courts in the province generally hand out conditional discharge sentences on graffiti convictions.
“I like this one. Langford has decided to file a civil suit that will seek damages in excess of $25,000 from a local family whose son has pleaded guilty to a lot of charges of painting the insane work on public property.
Langford told the courts the cost to the city is well past the $100,000 mark yearly.
“They want to restrain this person forever from doing it again the city wants the cost of clean up. The parents must make every effort to stop their son from further acts of vandalism.
“Could we learn from this move by the City of Langford?”
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How govt’s. (not Cdn. & US) subsidize fuel for their people.
http://tinyurl.com/5dex73
And, fortunately, you are no longer one of them. Enjoy Blogging Tories. — Garth
By John L on 07.28.08 9:36 pm
Thankyou Garth
Don Bool, sorry, you lost me at blah blah blah.
So I guess I’m still waiting to see if taxing the hell out of Saskatchewan and giving the money to Ontario will help Saskatchewan then why taxing the hell out of Ontario and giving the money to Saskatchewan wouldn’t help Ontario.
So it’s still out there.
Dion says this tax will be great for Saskatchewan.
Fantastic.
So show us.
Implement the same corrupt tax plan but with Ontario instead of the West as the one that gets Shafted and we’ll see how well it works.
So come on big shots.
What’s the answer to that one?
Somehow it’s not such a good idea when you are the ones getting the Shaft?
Or didn’t you think about that before you bought into this vote buying scam?
Personally I don’t believe that anyone is dumb enough to believe the liberals on anything, it’s more likely people support this because they want the loot stolen from the West.
By heartofnathaniel 07.28.08 2:44pm
You’ve now been exposed. You are a CPC troll who uses lies to vandalize the information highway, since you purposely misquoted. That’s Harper’s tactics, per Carl Rove, so you have been outed. Just another Rovian.
The world wide recession had zero to do with the liberals, so you are no more than a fool. And your Federal Reserve boys, you know, the ones you neocons love to sup up to, were the boys who put interest rates up. Your boys, not ours. Neo con tactics and neo con politicking like yours sicken me nathaniel, or van, or mork or whoever you punks are who work for Harper. You are boring, and lame, and now exposed.
And try to get your figures correct next time. The interest rates went up to 20.5% due to the lame brained moves of the Federal Reserve. Reaganomics boys, but you are too young and too stupid to know the crisis of those eras, you only know how to mimic whatever Stephen Harper your boss tells you to say. Pathetic.
Liz, ignore these bores, they just go after people to intimidate, ruining free speech and the exchange of ideas, just per Harper CPC website instructs. Like you say, scary.
“… the Party that gave us legal child porn, child sex, and the Party that says government corruption is good for the country …”
For chrissake, Rope, count your marbles! How much support from anyone with sense do you suppose statements like that are going to get your social and political cause? Or is being dismissed as a nutbar your ultimate objective?
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And, fortunately, you are no longer one of them. Enjoy Blogging Tories. — Garth
By John L on 07.28.08 9:36 pm
Buh,bye !
Here’s your hat . What’s your hurry .
So, uh, the liberal leadership hopefuls get another 18 months to pay off their debts.
Big surprise.
What do you care? — Garth
I think it’s wonderful M. Dion will be attending a town hall meeting. I hope Conservative voters will be in attendance and ask relevant questions.
As for M. Dion meeting bloggers? How cool is that?
Too bad we can’t ask Mr. Harper why in the world he’s allowing food inspection to be monitored by industry?? You’d think the ON Tories would remember Walkerton??
No one can ask any questions about what Mr. Harper is doing, not even his own MPs isn’t that correct?? The Supreme Leader/Fuhrer has spoken and it will be done.
Harper is such a visionary. Could one of you Conbots please tell him he needs to get a new lens prescription?
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So, uh, the liberal leadership hopefuls get another 18 months to pay off their debts.
Big surprise.
What do you care? — Garth
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I find it hilarious that liberals can’t seem to raise a dime now that their dirty dining and Adscam has been shut down.
But I urge all you liberals to give till it hurts.
We’d like to see at least a few bucks in the kitty so Harper and the real Green Shift owners will get the full settlements in their lawsuits.
So, Ring Those Phones!
Stephen Harper needs a new pair of shoes.
Why is it that the liberals can’t seem to raise any money now?
They were flush with cash when they had Adscam up and running.
So, uh, the liberal leadership hopefuls get another 18 months to pay off their debts.
Big surprise.
What do you care? — Garth
By Stan on 07.28.08 10:33 pm
Stan is a brainless Con-bot Sheriff sent by ‘Death Star Central’ to back up hapless Hairy and the ‘Bitches of Eastwick’
Anyone proud to call himself a ‘redneck’ is not firing on all cylinders.
Frankly ypor questions are not worth the effort to reply to .
Whynycha beat it over to “Small Deaf Assholes ” where you belong .
Friggin’ hillbilly .
TS, you think shutting down the tarsands will help?
What about all theoil from Iran, Indonesia, Nigeria and all those other oil producing countries that simply flare natural gas?
All those countries that Ontario imports oil from?
There is enough natural gas flared every year to supply all of Europe.
But go ahead, shut down the industry in the west where they don’t have human rights abuses and buy from Iran or Nigeria.
But don’t forget about all that gas that gets flared.
To all those folks who think that shutting down Alberta and Saskatchewan’s oil industry will help the environment, you did know that the oil producing countries in the Middle East are importing coal to fuel their electrical generating stations, didn’t you?
They make more money selling the oil and burning imported coal to generate their own electricity.
Guess who they sell the oil to?
Ontario,
So what is the liberal’s new plan going to do about that?
The liberals are using this AGW to play the eastern voters like a cheap fiddle.
Dance puppets, dance!
Coal imports to the ME are another reason that the Green Shaft will increase pollution instead of decreasing it.
Some of us weren’t surprised.
For chrissake, Rope, count your marbles! How much support from anyone with sense do you suppose statements like that are going to get your social and political cause? Or is being dismissed as a nutbar your ultimate objective?
By Herb on 07.28.08 10:11 pm
I think perhaps it`s you that should count your marbles. Have I ever asked for support??? no.
This is a political blog and it`s Cdn politics that supports using children for profit or votes. I`m just doing the same thing I`ve done for the last 10 years. Letting people know the true depth the elite of this country has sunk to. So you see Herb I don`t need your support or anyones to perform that function. All I have to do is keep exploding the myths and the many outright lies. `the most important thing to a child is child support`, `children don`t need fathers`, `the courts rule in the best interests of the child`, `fathers get visitation`, `all men are bad all women are victims` `or youth must be fine as the “`crime rate“` is going down.
The list is longer than that Herb but anytime you want to look me in the eye and tell me our government didn`t approve child pornography by allowing the Sharp decision or is responsible for 11 year old having sex on dates or Chretien didn`t say the $40M burglary of the national treasury was good for the country, or allowed the SCoC to remove the fathers rights,,, I live in the Fraser Valley, look me up.
If you`re not willing to assess the results or you condone what is being done in the name of the best interests of the child then I think you should consider who the nutbar is. You`re the political one that supports the system that generated this disaster, I`m the one that supports childrens rights.
btw do you know how pathetic I think it is to imply the facts, the results, as are out in Vancouver would be dismissed because you don`t like the way I present the facts?
Never mind, here`s a fact you might want to file away. The current situation is having a profound effect on a very large number of children. The scale of abuse is larger than the residential schools of which many of the perps are history. Today the people responsible for this outrageous abuse of our children are still around, some still hold public office. When they refused to abide by the report `For the Sake` it was nothing short of criminal.
You said you would like to hash this out with me but you couldn`t supply any facts to counter the results coming out. You said you doubted if I had the resources.
You could have meant personally as in my intellect or you could have meant as in government.
When it comes to investment the big money, the money that makes this country move forward, have huge research depts. All they needed was the crime stats, the sole custody stats a few studies on the children of divorce to start them off and, you know the results.
Bottom line Herb I`m willing to hash this out with you anytime, but your support, deleted.
no justice no investment
Garth … Is your generous offer to send a limo to pick me up and return me still on the table?
I will be in a better position to know by August 13th if I’m able to attend, i.e. one week prior to the August 20th meeting.
Thanks.
By HARRY S on 07.28.08 11:17 am
Nice try Harry. Mr. Turner said a car. In your case a bus. Try to stay with the tour, Harry.
If you do come out to ask some questions get your mom to pin a note on your jacket saying who you are and where you’re going in case you get lost.
So come on big shots.
What’s the answer to that one?
Somehow it’s not such a good idea when you are the ones getting the Shaft?
By Stan on 07.28.08 10:02 pm
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You speak the truth Stanley. 35 Billion dollars stolen from tax payers by Harpers Income Trust Scandal. And you,re worried about some hypothetical rumour mongering tax that,s yet to be implemented. You seem pretty steamed about this Stanley. I think the nickname Stanley Steamer is better suited to you.
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So, uh, the liberal leadership hopefuls get another 18 months to pay off their debts.
Big surprise.
By Stanley Steamer on 07.28.08 10:02 pm
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This number 18 keeps coming up. I thought the Conservatives were master manipulators. Not good to keep reciting this number Stanley Steamer. It reminds us of the 18 pages of blanked out paper regarding income trusts. What do you think of the 18 blanked out pages Stanley Steamer?
Rope,
the issues you raise are much too important to be addressed through intemperate language or leaps in logic. If anything is going to have an impact on them, it is public awareness of real problems and verifiable causes leading to political action.
If you think you can do without support or politics, you will stay a voice crying in the wilderness. You will accomplish boo-all, except to feel better as a victim suffering continued rejection.
Have you noticed that not even the trolls will follow you into the Party-of-child-porn swamp? The CPC went that way once, but learned its lesson. Maybe you should too.
The CPC went that way once, but learned its lesson. Maybe you should too.
By Herb on 07.29.08 8:50 am
How many years did government ignore the residential schools?
So, no one can explain why if the Shaft is good for Saskatchewan it wouldn’t also be good for Ontario.
Why is that?
The liberals plan on stealing billions from the west to buy votes in the east and oddly the east loves the idea.
But when some one suggests the reverse, suddenly it isn’t such a good idea.
Maybe Garth can explain what Dion meant when he said taxing the hell out of Saskatchewan and giving the money to the east would be good for Saskatchewan.
Then once he explains that he can explain why taxing Ontario and giving the money to Saskatchewan wouldn’t be just as good of an idea.
That’s a toughie, isn’t it?
The liberals aren’t fooling anyone with this scam that doesn’t want to be fooled.
And the reason they want to be fooled is because they like the idea of getting their mitts on our money.
Just more liberal greed, nothing to see here folks. Move along.
This number 18 keeps coming up. I thought the Conservatives were master manipulators. Not good to keep reciting this number Stanley Steamer. It reminds us of the 18 pages of blanked out paper regarding income trusts. What do you think of the 18 blanked out pages Stanley Steamer?
By Don Bool on 07.29.08 2:03 am
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Same as the number of holes on a regular golf course. Seems to be all lot of puttering about driving at short cut grass with flagged holes, hazards, and traps along the way. To complete the analogy, there is oft more than one cribbed score card, too!
So Don, you can’t explain having Dion ruin Saskatchewan’s economy and giving the money to Ontario is a good idea but taxing the hell out of Ontario and giving the loot to Saskatchewan is a bad idea.
I like your little name calling games though, it’s an admission that I’m right and you have no logical arguments to make.
I’m right when I point out that this is a progam driven by greedy easterners eager to sell their votes and
has nothing to do with reducing emissions.
They are happy to help the liberals steal from their fellow Canadians and couldn’t care less that parts of this plan will actually increase C02 emissions.
I guess they’re too dumb to think the thing through and see the logical conclusion of the latest theft from the West.
So, bring it on, and watch this drive!
Or did you come up with an explanation?
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