The hot ticket in Halton and the GTA.
(Distributed this weekend to the five newspapers which cover Halton riding.)
If you haven’t met Stephane Dion, the federal Liberal leader, it’s time you did. He’s coming here, and I’d like you to join us in Oakville on the night of August 20th. Here’s why.
A few days ago Stephen Harper dared his rivals in Parliament to defeat his government and cause an election. It was tough talk. I think he might just get his wish.
Personally, I’d relish having a federal vote this autumn. My big problem is the handling of the economy. Income taxes have not come down. A recession’s rolling in. Hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs have disappeared. The real estate market’s being crunched, thanks in part to the disastrous 40-year mortgages the Conservatives allowed. Interest rates, inflation and unemployment are rising. Government spending is at a record. Energy costs are nuts. The dollar’s too high and family financial stress is off the chart.
I’ve been a financial guy and a small-c fiscal conservative my whole life, not to mention a Conservative MP and cabinet minister, and I can’t believe all this has happened in just two-and-a-half years. As you may know, I wrote a book at the end of 2007 warning of these things, including a housing market decline, and sadly it’s all coming true. I raised this in the House of Commons, but the finance minister scoffed. So I think it’s time to take things to the people.
But that’s just one major concern. Here in this part of the world, also people worry about urban sprawl, congestion, traffic, air pollution, garbage and the kind of world we’ll be leaving. Climate change and polar ice melting are on the nightly news, and when you can’t see the TO skyline from your spot on the car-clogged QEW in the morning, you know we’ve got problems.
What can the feds do about these things – an economic stimulus and helping the environment at the same time? Well, that’s why I want you to come and hear Dion. The guy has a plan I find intriguing. It would see personal income taxes slashed by about $10 billion dollars, and those taxes put instead on polluters. His plan would cut the burden on families and increase household cash flow, while increasing the toll on corporations who create the emissions which add to global warming.
It’s a matter of taxing what we burn, instead of what we earn. It would mean higher energy costs (but not gasoline), but everyone would have more after-tax income. At the same time, the Green Shift plan would pump a lot of money into lower corporate taxes, incentives to make your home more energy-efficient and help to buy alternative energy cars.
The plan is different, for sure. Some think it’s radical. The Conservatives are trying to portray it as another GST, but that looks like pre-election fear mongering. In any case, you should make up your own mind. That’s why I invited Dion to come and explain this.
So, let’s do it. Wednesday August 20th, at SVCC Hall, 1280 Dundas (between Trafalgar and Bronte Rd.) in Oakville at 7:30 pm. Admission is free, but seating is limited. So get there early, or call my office and reserve some spots: (905) 693-0166. You can email me as well, mp@garth.ca.
I’m not asking you to agree. But I am asking you to come.
Garth Turner is the MP for Halton.
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Interest rates, inflation and unemployment are rising. Government spending is at a record. Energy costs are nuts. The dollar’s too high and family financial stress is off the chart. – Garth
You forgot to add that GDP in May declined. If this is the beginning of a trend, coupled with inflation .. this is called stagflation …. increasing prices while the economy shrinks. That’s the worst situation the economy can be in and the cure is pretty nasty to swallow.
But of course, it takes a Finance Minister to realise the problem exists. Flaherty insists on substituting his own reality on the countries finances. For this reason alone, we need a new government as Harper refuses to get rid of him; probably because for the most part he agrees with Flaherty’s reality.
Wouldn’t miss it for the world!
pssst how about seeing if Dion will come out to Atlantic Canada after? I live in Nova Scotia and would love to hear him in person.
Garth, The riding I’m in has gone from blue, to purple to red for the next election.
We will be there, you can count on us!
Garth you’ve mentioned a number of times that gasoline prices at the pump won’t rise but the flow thru effect of the green shift has got to be inflationary (on the sector if impacts) and therefore those costs will ultimately cause the price of gas for example to rise. ie. Diesel will be impacted and those tankers use diesel to ship gas to the stations. Higher diesel is going to raise the input costs for gasoline.
The Liberal party, as well as most members that ran in the leadership contest are straining under an enormous debt. This it a pro Liberal blog. How many people here have actually put their money where their mouth is and help pay down their leaders debt. Can’t be that many with such a large debt outstanding. Money talks, Bullshit walks. Anybody here that has not contributed is part of the Liberal parties problem”. The Conservative mind set is “What can I do for my Country”. The Liberal mind set is “What can my Country do for me.” That is why your party has got money troubles. You are all just sitting back, waiting…..
“. . . cause an election. It was tough talk. I think he might just get his wish.” — Not until the whites of their eyes are plainly in view — do the job, do it right and wipe CRAP out completely; can’t afford any slip-ups, gaffes, etc.
Ordinary folk who are tired of CRAP’s lies will be more than willing to help spread the word.
“. . . I can’t believe all this has happened in just two-and-a-half years. . . .” — Absolutely no doubt at all that Carney, harpo and dimdumb had a clear agenda to carry out in accordance with DC.
After all, harpo is nothing more than one of dubya’s lapdogs. Now the Pentagon has okayed $10 bln. worth of arms exports to Iraq, guess where the next war will happen?
Iraq is right next door to Iran.
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Apparently, dubya hasn’t changed his diapers for some time now, so the WH smells a little!
Part of one sentence reads,
“The day is coming fast that automobiles will be powered by hydrogen and water, not oil and gasoline. . . .”
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The food shortage in the southern hemisphere is worse than here, but the reason is becoming clear.
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A new source of energy? Storing solar power seems reasonable, but will those people who control the power-grids, gas lines, etc. allow this to happen?
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Guess where Henry Paulson used to work? That’s right — Goldman Sachs, same place as Mark Carney.
Now both are in charge of their respective countries’ economies, and both are failing badly.
Anyone see a pattern here?
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One more reason why I stay away from the regular search engines.
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Garth, I think there may be a demonstration brewing against you and Dion according to what I read on that stopid ‘repossessing Halton’ blog.
Hey, I love a protest. Can I write my own sign? — Garth
come on garth! taxing the polluters and not the users?
you know, i know, and everyone else knows who will be paying for it. it is simply a consumption tax at the manufacturing level. that is just what we need, another regressive tax.
i guess it is the liberals turn to really screw us!
the earth’s temperature hasn’t increased for ten years. maybe the liberals should have gone for a global cooling tax? ahhh, hindsight.
“The earth’s temperature hasn’t increased for ten years.” It has on our planet, warren. — Garth
You are all just sitting back, waiting………
By Bob on 08.02.08 7:32 pm
Well, BOBBY, if you[z]e got kidneys, that is our PEE-rogative.
My local muicipality, including the public transit system, figure they’ll be hit by higher diesel fuel prices. I don’t see how increasing public transit costs is a positive thing, from an environmental perspective.
When the federal goverbment supports public transit, instead of largely ignoring it, and encourages the use of diesel alternatives with grants, then it’s a very positive thing. — Garth
You Liberals keep saying that the green shift is revenue neutral yea right. It maybe revenue neutral for the government,but how is it revenue neutral for the individual when it brings the government $15 billions and lower income tax by $10 billion? Now I was never that good in math,but even I could see that the government would take in $5 billion more. Now correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that the same amount that the 1 point of the GST was bringing in? This is why we think it is a tax grab. Every time that the government takes in more in taxes than it lowers it is a tax grab I think.
Now that said I also remember the same liberal party saying that they would eliminate the GST. Whatever happened to that notion hey? Remember NAFTA? I remember the liberal party promising that they would cancel the agreement once in power. Whatever happened to that? Oh yea they signed it once in power.
Now the liberals criticizing the finance minister no problem there it is fair game. Just one think remind us the great success that the former premier of Ontario Mr.Bob Rae has had during his time hu? I mean you’re from Ontario.
About our economy! Does Mr.Dion have a magic wand to make everything disappear? If you notice a big part of the problem,it has to do with high energy cost. The green shift will make energy more expensive. Oh yea you say that you will not tax gas at the pump,well you will only tax the polluters. The big polluters are the oil companies. Do you really think that they will bite the bullet sort to speak and not pass the buck to the consumer hey?
Next you’re going to tell me that Mr. Dion walks on water too. I could go on but I’m getting tired typing;)
Personal income tax cuts are augmented (as I wrote) by corporate tax cuts, and a host of incentives for consumers and businesses to reduce dependency on fossil fuels, as well as increases in payments to seniors, families with kids, rural and northern residents. — Garth
How long will the public meeting last?
I ask only because any one of the issues you propose to discuss could easily take an considerable period to deal with in any depth; the economy, the environment, real estate, a job strategy, etc.
Until the last troll slithers. — Garth
So the Liberals are committed to offer offsetting grants to the all the government agencies and public transit systems hit by higher diesel prices?
“Until the last troll slithers”?
I don’t really see what that actually refers to so I’ll simply say thanks for the answer.
“Personal income tax cuts are augmented (as I wrote) by corporate tax cuts, and a host of incentives for consumers and businesses to reduce dependency on fossil fuels, as well as increases in payments to seniors, families with kids, rural and northern residents.” — Garth
Mr.Turner didn’t your party criticized the government corporate taxes cut last fall? I think they (Liberals) said something like “what good are tax cuts for corporation when they are not making $$$? Now I will ask you the same question. What good are corporate tax cuts when they don’t make any $$$?
Don’t forget that these corporations still would have to pay the higher energy cost that would surly come from the green shift whether they make profits or not. What do you say to that?
Liberals were first to suggest enhanced corporate tax cuts would assist in creating and maintaining jobs and stimulating investment. — Garth
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html
She replied: “No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you’d expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years.”
The Liberal party, as well as most members that ran in the leadership contest are straining under an enormous debt. This it a pro Liberal blog. How many people here have actually put their money where their mouth is and help pay down their leaders debt. Can’t be that many with such a large debt outstanding. Money talks, Bullshit walks. Anybody here that has not contributed is part of the Liberal parties problem”. The Conservative mind set is “What can I do for my Country”. The Liberal mind set is “What can my Country do for me.” That is why your party has got money troubles. You are all just sitting back, waiting…..
By Bob on 08.02.08 7:32 pm
Bob,what are the odds that a collection plate will be sent around at this “free meeting”
Will Dion, who also gave nothing to the Liberal Party in 2007 be the first to toss in a loonie?
Prominent Liberals who gave ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the Liberal Party in 2007:
1. Belinda Stronach
2. Denis Coderre
3. Garth Turner
4. Ralph Goodale
5. Martha Hall Findlay
6. Wayne Easter
7. Dominic Leblanc
8. Mauril Belanger
9. David McGuinty
10. Keith Martin
That list is meaningless. But, of course, you know that. Every one of those people (including me) travelled the country at personal expense to assist their party and their colleagues. Try being truthful for once on this blog. — Garth
“Liberals were first to suggest enhanced corporate tax cuts would assist in creating and maintaining jobs and stimulating investment.” — Garth
Mr.Turner did the liberals say or not “What good are corporate taxes if they don’t make any profits” yes or no what is the answer? It’s a simple question.
“I’m not asking you to agree. But I am asking you to come.”-Garth
“Until the last troll slithers.” — Garth
Will the real Garth please stand up?
Mr.Turner did the liberals say or not “What good are corporate taxes if they don’t make any profits” yes or no what is the answer? It’s a simple question.
Beats me. — Garth
Hey Garth, I hope your meeting goes well because I can see you’ve done a lot of work to put it all together. I keep hearing that the CPC is asking Mr. Dion if his green shift will include side deals for certain provinces. Will he address that question at your meeting? If the answer is yes, which provinces will get special deals and what will those deals include?
Leasa
I never really did receive an answer on the issue of offsetting higher diesel costs for various government bodies so I’d assume the various details have yet to be resolved, however the Green Shift idea does have potential. Still a lot of unknowns.
exerpt from cbc.ca about Mad Max.
‘The misplacement of government documents by former foreign affairs minister Maxime Bernier tarnished Canada’s reputation within NATO circles but caused no significant injury to the national interest, an internal review into the incident has concluded.’
Didn’t the Cons tarnish our rep via the Obama incident?
Heard Jack Layton is going to the Dem convention??
Hope you have a huge turnout.
To the person questioning about money?? Liberals don’t launder money with in and out schemes nor do they accept money from public funded universities. In fact, I only know of one party who has done that.
Garth, you say “It’s a matter of taxing what we burn”
Incorrect. Gasoline at the pump is exempt from the carbon tax. It’s the producer that’s taxed. Of course, gasoline in Ontario is imported from Venezuela & the Middle East…so the producer isn’t taxed either. Unless the producer is in Western Canada. Dion lets off the foreign producers but taxes his own people.
BTW Garth, on page 8 of FFWD Weekly, it’s a page with Dave Taylor, Deputy of the Alberta Liberals. I voted for him
The question is “Do you support the idea of a carbon tax”
His answer: Only if the proceeds stay in Alberta and are used for environmental innovation, cleaner energy and alternative energy sources. We also need to be listening to the stakeholders involved, and that means the energy INDUSTRY, economists, scientists & environmentalists.
Exactly. But we all know where a Federal Liberal carbon tax will go. It’ll go to general revenues & will be spent on people in Liberal ridings (east of Manitoba).
The Right 08.02.08 9:18 p.m.
Your critical post is very narrowly-focused.
Do you think introducing a plan that will, ultimately, help us lower GHG’s and also give us a legitimate soapbox from which to encourage developing countries to get on board with us is of no value to Canadians?
Do you think the government may have to use enticements to encourage R&D and solutions to problems already apparent in our north? After all, this neo-con government has left the cupboard pretty poorly stocked for contingencies or emergencies. –Oh, yes, these are called socialist frills by the neo-cons!
You didn’t even mention the Conservatives’ plan which would allow GHG’s to rise as quickly as barrels of oil can be sucked out of the tar sands.
How would their plan help ordinary people to cope with the necessary changes?
Regarding Bob Rae’s turn as Premier of Ontario, the whole Great Lakes Basin was in a funk at the time. He had a difficult situation on his hands. Being an intelligent and quick learner, he has gained much experience and knowledge since way back then. The Conservatives would be lucky to find a foreign minister like him. It would be unwise to make comparisons.
Hey, I love a protest. Can I write my own sign? — Garth
By Skipper on 08.02.08 8:11 pm
Ooooooooooooo! A Protest! Well, talk about flashbacks? Man, will there be a Happening too? LMAO!
I’m bringing my placards and markers just in case!
Irvine: 08.02.08 11:04 p.m.
Read the “Green Shift”.
Great job, other Liberal MP’s should do the same thing you are doing !
Of course, gasoline in Ontario is imported from Venezuela & the Middle East…
By Irvine on 08.02.08 11:04 pm
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Irvine, you are out of date on you information. Ontario gasoline comes from Alta, Sask, and Nfld. Shipping costs from the foreign sources are too high and too far. Can you show links to our government customs and excise dept. records that prove your point? I bet you cannot. We have a shortage of gasoline in Ontario due to insufficient refinery capacity in province, and there are tanker train loads brought up from the Montreal Refineries that process Newfie crude out of the pipeline that they reversed the direction of flow on. During last Winter’s shortage, partly caused by the CN Rail strike and the Esso Refinery fires at Sarnia and Nanticoke, there was a train load of 186 gasoline tank cars sitting in Brockville, Ont. that CN refused to move using supervisors. The inside source that told us worked in a different union but knew first hand what was happening. We the People are being held to ransom by some very clever company managers that keep the politicians in the dark or well funded, take your pick. At that same time there were people in Northern Ontario that were running out of food, gasoline, and heating oil in the coldest part of the Winter. We here in the South had to search to find which gas stations had received a delivery recently and were able to pump.
As a retired transport driver (I never hauled fuel)we knew that a truckers strike would shut down the whole continent in just three days if only the fuel tankers and the refrigerator vans all went ice fishing or skiing! The “just not enough time” delivery system has an achilles heel that requires warehousing to be done using the trucking companies rolling stock, and of course no one wants to pay for any demurage, either! Show me the invoices for foreign crude oil, and the customs clearances for importation…..how much do you want to bet? Make it a good sum, not chicken feed!
“To the person questioning about money?? Liberals don’t launder money with in and out schemes nor do they accept money from public funded universities. In fact, I only know of one party who has done that.
By Dee on 08.02.08 10:56 pm ”
The Liberals just steal it directly from the Canadian taxpayer.
That list is meaningless. But, of course, you know that. Every one of those people (including me) travelled the country at personal expense to assist their party and their colleagues. Try being truthful for once on this blog. — Garth
The list is a fact.
For the sake of optics couldn’t Dion and the rest of those listed pony up the max before begging for bucks from the masses?
Will there be solicitations for money at your “free meeting”?
The SPP may be dead — M-A-Y-B-E — but the break-up of Canada is still first and foremost on harpo’s agenda, with big biz behind it.
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In case anyone forgot, there are now at least a million homes foreclosed; that’s a whole lotta people on the outs now.
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That list is meaningless. But, of course, you know that. Every one of those people (including me) travelled the country at personal expense to assist their party and their colleagues. Try being truthful for once on this blog. — Garth
By Bocanut on 08.02.08 10:18 pm
Numbnutz and the truth are not even on nodding acquaintance .
Hey Garth, I hope your meeting goes well because I can see you’ve done a lot of work to put it all together. I keep hearing that the CPC is asking Mr. Dion if his green shift will include side deals for certain provinces. Will he address that question at your meeting? If the answer is yes, which provinces will get special deals and what will those deals include?
Leasa
By Leasa on 08.02.08 10:40 pm
Quit yer’suck holing .
Exactly. But we all know where a Federal Liberal carbon tax will go. It’ll go to general revenues & will be spent on people in Liberal ridings (east of Manitoba).
By Irvine on 08.02.08 11:04 pm -end quote
You know that? How do you know that? Did the PMO include that info with your talking points?
Hmmm. Corporate tax reductions – yes, I believe that the Liberal party did criticize the Conservative party for reducing them. This relates to what I said earlier about the opposing parties opposing for the sake of opposing because it’s their job. Corporate tax reductions rarely, if ever, filter down to the consumer. They usually result in higher dividends.
Taxing home heating is not a good idea because it hits everybody, including the working poor.
Income tax reductions are good but an income tax reduction comes months after year-end and, in the meantime, families will be paying more.
Considering our country’s low contribution to global pollution, taxing us is not a great idea. It will enhance the government coffers but put a strain on the working poor in almost every way. Food will be more expensive due to higher taxes on energy to produce it. Services will be more expensive for a similar reason.
Urban sprawl, garbage collection, sewer management and other ills are the result of bad management on the part of the province and municipalities and no federal program will reduce the negative effects of this bad management. My own city amalgamated years ago and it’s been downhill ever since and the result is reduced service and higher costs.
I read the green shift plan and I believe that it began with honourable intentions and some of it makes a lot of sense. But, I feel that it needs some major tweaking before it is put before the public and certainly before it is put in place.
What I would like to see is a shift away from importing from Asia until the producers on that continent get serious about pollution.
As far as the housing market, this is a cycle that I’ve seen over and over again. Prices were artificially high for too long and now they are stabilizing. Forty-year mortgage is a really bad idea but those who took them out should have sought advice and thought very seriously before taking one on.
Manufacturing jobs disappearing are the result of many factors: decreased demand, high taxes in Ontario, imports from Asia, etc. In the case of domestic car producers, the product is inferior and with higher gas prices, SUV and truck sales are down. The three Japanese car makers are not suffering so that should indicate why the domestic three are not doing well. Despite an infusion of Ontario tax dollars, GM is still failing and yet their corporate bigwigs are doing very well, indeed. Hmmm. Makes one think.
I am a strong believer in mass transit. I live in the Ottawa area and, at one time, we had a world-class transit system. Due to bad management, we now have a broken system despite federal and provincial money being poured into it. I live in an area which is experiencing unprecedented growth (over 10 years) and yet only now is the infrastructure being put in place to handle the traffic. The bus service in my area is terrible and actually discourages people from taking the bus. Bad management will trump federal money any day. No amount of funding will solve the problem if the system is being badly managed.
Urban sprawl is a topic close to my heart. All around me there is uncontrolled development which is destroying trees and wildlife. People don’t seem to realize that trees clean the air we breathe and that for every tree we remove, our air gets a little bit worse. Trees hold the land together and as we remove them, the earth begins to shift and sluice away.
I’d say that before we get into a tax shift program, we address the real causes of the problem and then maybe we won’t need a shift. We need to respect the planet and not conjure up schemes to live with the havoc which we have wreaked. We must treat the disease and not the symptoms.
Thanks for reading this long post.
Dee. I am sorry to have to point this out to you but please remember AdScam when you speak of money misuse. Perhaps, under Dion, the Liberal party will be more honest than the party under Chretien. I’ll go on faith that Dion is honest because he does appear to be sincere and honest. I’ll wait to see how it rolls out.
BTW, that is a not a great picture of Dion at the top of your post, Garth. I barely recognized him.
When the federal government supports public transit, instead of largely ignoring it, and encourages the use of diesel alternatives with grants, then it’s a very positive thing. — Garth
Good idea, Garth. But, will there be oversight? All to often, dollars granted to research ends up in the pockets of highly-paid “experts” who produce reports which are shelved. I would like to see strict guidelines which are enforced. Too many of our tax dollars are thrown at panels which do nothing to improve a situation. I remember the Romanow report on the health care system. Beaucoup bucks and no tangible results.
Will there be strict and unyielding oversight over grant dollars?
Since I can’t be there, here is a question along with some constructive criticism for Mr. Dion. Maybe someone going wouldn’t mind handing it to him?
When are we going to see Green shift II, the next version, based on listening to the public and improving an already globally leading idea. Already Obama among others is promising cheques for those who can’t cope with increasing costs of living but no one has such a comprehensive plan as the green shift. The cons. mock the plan as social engineering and you should stand up proud and say YES it is social engineering just like every other government who takes their job seriously is doing for their people. China, Russia, Scandinavia among others have socially re-engineered their societies and are among the worlds leaders. The U.S., Harper and others are doing the same to destroy their countries and hand them over to their rich friends. No matter what problem governments deal with the end result is social engineering for good or bad.
While Harper and his thugs have convinced many that the green shift is a tax grab, most people who look at it honestly agree with the concept but some find themselves dissagreeing with parts of it. So I will point out the weak points from my perspective.
Northern living allowence- This has not been increased since it was introduced I believe 23 years ago!!! Obviously it does not represent the same reality now as then. One tiny problem with increasing it is that as many as half the people up here don’t have taxable incomes to start with so it really doesn’t help them. A better solution is to provide the money in the form of a cheque for $1,000 on labour day (start of our heating season) for every resident in the qualifieing region so that everyone benefits equally. I suspect this was the reasoning used by the northern premiers to reject the plan.
Rural rebate- For those living in rural aeas not covered by the above, again this needs to be a cheque rather than tax write-off as many people in these areas especially farmers may not have a taxible income or a very small one. Part of social engineering is to help those in trouble deal with changes that occur in society every day. In the past most rural residents lived within 25 kms. of a general store or gas station that sold basic needs. Today with Walmart this trip coud be 100kms. or more as many of those stores have closed. For this reason the amount paid should be the same as the north or $1,000 per person to offset the increased costs over the years that they have compared to urban dwellers.
People on fixed incomes- These people have been hit from both sides as prices rose faster than their income and the government lying about inflation rates to keep increases to pensions etc. lower than they should be. The green shift can be used to address all of this problem or part and direct increases to the actual programs to make up the difference. Again, most of these people would get little relief from tax write-offs as many don’t even have a taxible income.
Reduced income taxes- If you have been paying attention the one flaw in this plan is the use of income tax cuts while reducing the number of people with taxible incomes. I hope this plan is just the beginning of reducing eventually 90% of Canadians from paying income tax and shifting that burden onto consumption, especially the consumption of products that are produced in an evironmentally unfriendly manner or use unneccessarily large amounts of energy to achieve their purpose. In other words if a twenty hp. engine will get you there then we tax the crap out of progressivly larger engines. If you want to provide more relief and a way out of the coming stagflation then reducing income taxes is the fastest way to do so.
Obviously a big increase on the hand out side of the program needs to be offset by increases in the tax side to remain neutral. This can be done by increasing the carbon tax or introducing new lifestyle taxes. If you consider taxes on ciggerettes and alcohal a prepayment on health care then an equal tax on unhealthy prepared foods and restaurant meals would be the same. My old favourite, elimination of shipping costs as a business writeoff would geatly reduce the carbon load with the added benefit of stores looking closer to home for their products to sell thus boosting our economy just in time for the recession. Many countries are looking at windfall profit taxes on businesses like the oil industry to help fund social prgram increases which is another possibility.
Finally, ignore the cries of those who want solid numbers of what your plan will do to reduce ghg. Until it operates for a few years there is no way of knowing. Who would have guessed that Americans would drive 9 billion less miles in a month by increasing gas prices 50%. To say that could happen in 5 years again is foolish because most people will be driving either alternative vehicles or high efficiency gas powered ones so it would be less. The only thing that proved is that a carbon tax will change how many people live which is…..social engineering!
Now compare that to pulling a hard number on ghg reductions in the future out of mid-air. Have an “expert” confirm it. Lets base most of these reductions on unproven technology to be invented yet. Then lets proclaim this “number” as the benchmark against which all other plans will be measured. And finally lets insist that any cost will be born by the worst 200 polluters only, somehow? Gee I’ve heard that plan before but I’m not sure how it stacks up to the green shift?
Your on the right track Garth but it is soon time to fine tune the plan to get it front and center again and attract more rural and suburban voters you will need to form a government so we don’t have to see the results of the cons. no-plan.
Garth,
Communication advice.
Harper’s communication people are going to try to define the election as, a “Strong Harper” versus “Nerdy Dion” election, as a continuation of the last 2 years, with a recent slight change in intensity and focus. For example, when Harper says speeches, he won’t refer to the conservative party or his cabinet ministers. Instead, he only speaks of Dion versus himself.
The best way to break this strategy down is to ensure that Mr. Dion refers to his team as much as possible. For instance, in a presentation, he should mention things like: “Mr. Ignatieff proposes this policy to address this problem. Or, In regards to that issue, Mr. Rae and Ken Dryden are leading a team to develop policy alternatives in response to that challenge.” ETC.
Further, Dion needs to mention the Liberal party by name as much as possible. For example, “The liberal team is ready for an election…” Or, “We in the Liberal party are ready to take on Harper.”
Harper only appeals to a certain segment of the electorate. So its okay to let Harper keep his one man government image alive and well. Moreover, Dion should confront this by promoting, ideas, team and party. So if Harper wants the defining issue to be Harper vs. Dion. We keep the “Harper vs” part but, change it to; “Harper” vs. the “liberal team”.
I have been watching Dion closely in his presentations on TV and the Internet….There is potential in Dion that is not being communicated well. While he has shown signs of improvement since May, his communication team deserves an “D-” overall for the way in which they have handled him.
Someone on the communication team needs to understand the challenges of learning a second language. I’m not sure that there is someone like this advising him.
This is the Dion we need to find:
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=r1I_IlcOsx4
This clip shows all of Dion’s strengths: sincereity, thoughtfulness, experience, vision, intelligence. In short, the Dion that can beat Harper.
Please deliver this message.
Daryn
Still think Garth Harper’s plan (as always) is to make it look like he had a great plan to save Canadians but the Liberals forced an election after voting for a fixed date. As previously mentioned these Con-clowns (who have been on an extended vacation) have not been thinking of doing the the job they were elected to do but have been electioneering day and night. So please think first before falling into a CON media trap spending most of your time money and effort defending why y’all pulled the plug while they spend multi millions on vicious attack adds and avoiding an mention of plan for the future.
I keep hearing that the CPC is asking Mr. Dion if his green shift will include side deals for certain provinces. Leasa
By Leasa on 08.02.08 10:40 pm”
Dion has already gone on public record stating that he will work with provincial governments (e.g. British Columbia) that have put a price on carbon to ensure that their residents are not double assessed under The Green Shift. This is a fair and equitable position.
By Simon on 08.02.08 9:15 pm
FYI. Windsor City Council just last week voted to buy hybrid powered buses for if public transportation fleet. These buses will cost them over $1 million more to purchase, but they expect that will be covered in short order due to excalating fuel prices.
It will also help reduce pollution.
I believe that the original recommendation to council was to buy the cheaper diesel only buses.
Some forward thinking and leadership on the part of a lower tiered level of government. Now if only the higher levels would get on board……tickets please!
” the earth’s temperature hasn’t increased for ten years. maybe the liberals should have gone for a global cooling tax? ahhh, hindsight.
“The earth’s temperature hasn’t increased for ten years.” By warren f on 08.02.08 8:25 pm
Warren, as usual you make unsubstantiated statements. 1998 and 2005 were the two hottest years on record, and 19 of the hottest years on earth have occured since 1980. I suppose you are just another neoCon bobblehead who thinks stating a lie often enough makes it true.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/recordtemp2005.html
Global Warming 101
2005 Tied 1998 As World’s Hottest Year
Global average surface temperatures pushed 2005 into a virtual tie with 1998 as the hottest year on record worldwide.[1] For people living in the Northern Hemisphere—most of the world’s population—2005 was the hottest year on record since 1880, the earliest year for which reliable instrumental records were available worldwide.
The year 2005 exceeded previous global annual average temperatures despite having weak El Niño conditions at the beginning of the year and normal conditions for the rest of the year. (El Niño is a period of warmer-than-average sea surface temperatures in the east-central Pacific Ocean that influences weather conditions across much of the globe.) In contrast, the record-breaking temperatures of 1998 were boosted by a particularly strong El Niño.
The record heat of 2005 is part of a longer-term warming trend exacerbated by the rise of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere that is due primarily to our burning fossil fuels and clearing forests. Nineteen of the hottest 20 years on record have occurred since 1980.
“Garth you’ve mentioned a number of times that gasoline prices at the pump won’t rise but the flow thru effect of the green shift has got to be inflationary (on the sector if impacts) and therefore those costs will ultimately cause the price of gas for example to rise. ie. Diesel will be impacted and those tankers use diesel to ship gas to the stations. Higher diesel is going to raise the input costs for gasoline.
By DJ on 08.02.08 7:20 pm”
DJ you seem to forget that a large amount of carbon emissions generated in Canada are caused by the creation of products that are exported. There is no reason that Canadian consumers should feel any price impact from that portion of the carbon tax. For example, about 70% of the carbon emissions in Alberta are created by producing oil for the US market. The carbon tax should be passed on to US consumers, not Canadians.
Also keep in mind that even if you assume that all of the carbon tax is passed on to Canadian consumers, we’re only talking $15.5 billion dollars on an economy that is worth $1.37 TRILLION… that is a maximum impact of only 1.18% in year four of The Green Shift plan.
By The Right on 08.02.08 10:24 pm
Did you mean the liberals or the Liberals, if the latter, which Liberal said this and where? It is quite concieveable that one would have said this as that would be the truth, there would be no point in granting a tax decease to one who pays no tax, however, it would still not negate the principle that tax decreases on business could encourage investment. One has to look at the times however, lower taxes on manufacturing industries at this time in Ontario would not increase investment as much as prudent financial management at the federal level. Maybe three years from now, this could be a whole different story, if the economy is booming, then tax decreases may spur on investment. That is why there is such criticism of Flaherty going around country berating the Ontario Provincial Government for not cutting business taxes and telling investors Ontario is the last place they might want to invest. His timing is way off but that could be because he cannot see what is coming down the pipe. His record in Ontario would confirm that.
By Irvine on 08.02.08 11:04 pm
Yes Gid forbid that a penny of Alberta’s money should go to those people in Ontario, My God, Ontario hasn’t contributed a dime to this country!!! (a hint of sarcasm here)
Better we listen to the stakeholders like the oil companies who are starving to death and really couldn’t afford to help out Canada.
The Conservative mind set is “What can I do for my Country”. By Bob on 08.02.08 7:32 pm
The actions of the ‘new’ Conservatives does not support your claim at all. The Conservative mind set has nothing to do with having a broad-minded orientation to help all citizens in Canada. Harper’s orientation and those of his bobblehead followers is clear (and stated by Harper as making Canada ‘unrecognizable’ after his impact)…. impose narrow right wing, small minded religious views on the country.
The obvious attempts by the Harper neoCons to challenge the rights of gays in terms of same-sex marriage, and to impose arbitrary censorship through changes to Canadian film subsidies are examples of this underlying philosophy. In this regard I view Harper’s government as on the same path as the Taliban in Afganistan… to change the fabric of a society to meet some arbritary, religious orientation. It wasn’t right for Afganistan and it is not right for Canada.
“Until the last troll slithers”?
I don’t really see what that actually refers to so I’ll simply say thanks for the answer.
By Simon on 08.02.08 9:54 pm
Let me help you Simon, until the last question is answered…is what I believe Mr. Turner meant.
Ah Warren…. read and be informed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/mar/16/weather.climatechange
World breaks temperature records
The world experienced its warmest period on record during this year’s northern hemisphere winter, the US government said today.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration report said the globally averaged combined land and sea surface temperature for December to February was the highest since records began in 1880.
During the three-month period, known as boreal winter, temperatures were above average worldwide, with the exception of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and areas in central United States.
The global average was 0.72C higher than the previous record in 2004, but the report did not provide an absolute temperature for the period. An NOAA spokesman told Reuters news agency that the deviation from the mean was what was important.
A significant contributing factor to the record warmth was an El Niño weather pattern, a periodic warming of the tropical Pacific Ocean. It was particularly strong in January – the warmest January ever – but the ocean surface had since begun to cool.
In the northern hemisphere, the combined land and water temperature was the warmest ever at 0.91C, while the southern hemisphere, where it was summer, recorded a temperature 0.49C above average, which was the fourth warmest.
The global temperature of land surface alone during this period was also the warmest on record, while the ocean surface temperature was the equal second warmest, with the equatorial Pacific, North and South Atlantic, and the South Indian oceans all recording warmer than average temperatures.
During the past century, global temperatures had increased at about 0.06C each decade, but the increase had been three times larger since 1976, at about 0.18C per decade, the report said.
The 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1995.
The report comes just over a month after the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said global warming had very likely been caused by human actions and was so severe it would continue for centuries. Most scientists attribute the rising temperatures to so-called greenhouse gases, which build up in the atmosphere and trap heat from the sun.
“Incorrect. Gasoline at the pump is exempt from the carbon tax. It’s the producer that’s taxed. Of course, gasoline in Ontario is imported from Venezuela & the Middle East…so the producer isn’t taxed either. Unless the producer is in Western Canada. Dion lets off the foreign producers but taxes his own people.
By Irvine on 08.02.08 11:04 pm”
Irvine, you should read pages 37 and 38 of The Green Shift plan…it discusses the intent of putting a price on carbon by taxing imports from other countries.
“We will build carbon pricing into our strategy for international trade, endeavouring where possible to ensure that goods from other countries that are not pricing carbon will face a tariff reflective of carbon content.”
Obviously Dion realizes that other countries that are not being responsible need to be assessed a carbon tax for their lack of action. In the US Obama has been musing publically about assessing a carbon tax on imports of ‘dirty’ Canadian oil. Would you rather a foreign government assess carbon taxes on Western Canadian oil, or would you rather that carbon taxes be paid in Canada and used to lower income taxes for all Canadians, help the poorest in our country, and incent Canadian businesses to be more efficient and productive through energy conservation?
“Exactly. But we all know where a Federal Liberal carbon tax will go. It’ll go to general revenues & will be spent on people in Liberal ridings (east of Manitoba).
By Irvine on 08.02.08 11:04 pm”
Irvine, you are obviously an idiot. The last time I checked there are people living in Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. Under The Green Shift every one of them would get the same income tax cuts as other Canadians, and many of your businesses (e.g. operators in the Tar Sands) would probably get a larger-than-average share of funding in terms of the Accelerated Capital Cost Allowance for green technologies.
Is there any other drivel that Harpo wants you to post?
By DJ on 08.02.08 7:20 pm
If I understand the process properly, when a commodity on the list is taxed (i.e. oil or coal) it is charged at the manufacturing level.
As oil and coal are commodities, the sell price is set on the wrold stage – so the increased cost is born directly by the manufactuing company. There is no legal way to pass this cost onto consumers. So essentially, the oil companies are taxed and the moneys are given to the consumers (i.e. us)
This would work the same as a cap and trade (NDP proposed) system (imo) but cap and trade has no offsetting income tax cuts.
I can’t comment on the Conservative plan as I’ve heard “carbon capture” – from what I understand on this, the government would pay for the technology (which means our tax dollars goes to the oil industry), I’ve heard carbon tax (at $65 a tonne) and I’ve heard cap and trade. I tend to believe the carbon capture option is the one they are looking at. It would be nice to know what there plans are – but that would require them to communicate.
Now – I could be wrong – but I’m looking forward to finding out more on the 20th!
By Bob on 08.02.08 7:32 pm
The Conservative mind set is “What can I do for my Country”.
http://www.pscottcummins.com/blog/uploaded_images/harper_bush_NotAColony.ca-767267.gif
Mr.Turner did the liberals say or not “What good are corporate taxes if they don’t make any profits” yes or no what is the answer? It’s a simple question.
Beats me. — Garth
By The Right on 08.02.08 10:24 pm
Garth, its not like you to be shy.
This is the equivalent of a sound bite, and as usual, taken out of context with a lot of right hand spin to boot.
I believe Garth did say that in the context of discussing what could be done to assist our failing manufacturing industry, in particular, the auto sector. Flaherty’s claim was that this Con government had already done so by lowering corporate taxes. As Garth pointed out, Flaherty, as usual, was talking nonsense as tax cuts did absolutely nothing to assist these companies who are making zero profit on which to be taxed.
In the context of the Green Shift, taxing companies based on emissions, verses lowering corporate taxes, for those that make a profit it makes sense. It gives them a choice; continue to emit and pay the tax, or invest in cleaning up their operations and take the tax cut.
Of course, they could choose the former and pass the additional costs onto the consumer. Then its up to us to decide if we’re going to play that game, or look for alternatives from those companies that do the latter. When sales drop, then they’ll get the message.
the earth’s temperature hasn’t increased for ten years. maybe the liberals should have gone for a global cooling tax? ahhh, hindsight.
“The earth’s temperature hasn’t increased for ten years.” It has on our planet, warren. — Garth
By warren f on 08.02.08 8:25 PM
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Still in the denial phase of your GHG addiction, I see. Since you find the message so uncomfortable, why not shoot the messanger.
Let’s not forget that until the end of 2006 Harper was refering to global warming as an evolving science, and when he used the term “so called greenhouse gases” in a nationally televised interview, he told us where he stood on the issue. That’s why the CONs don’t have a plan. Oh, they pretend they do but it’s been roundly panned by every environmentalist who has ever critiqued it. It was only hastily prepared to placate, confuse, and deliberatly mislead the voters, and to make it look like they actually cared about the issue.
What does the naming of Baird as Environment Minister tell us about what Harper REALLY thinks about global warming when as recently as 2002, Baird was involved with the anti-Kyoto front group, the Canadian Coalition for Responsible Environmental Solutions. Harper picked him not for his ability to formulate and deliver a positive national response to the issue of global warming, but precisly because of his ability to oppose, stonewall, and confabulate. Need I say more than Bali. What a disgrace that was. It explains a lot. Notice the CONs don’t spend a lot of time and money talking up their own sad excuse for an environmental plan. That’s because THEY DON’T HAVE ONE. They don’t WANT to have one.
Bullshit walks
By Bob on 08.02.08 7:32 pm
BOBBY, IT SHUR DO WALK, SOMETIMES TALK, ALTHOUGH LIKE YOU DON’T MAKE MUCH SENSE
TEN PERCENTER MAILER ABUSE
Special coverage and opinions provided by Mikey [Let Mikey Eat It] Wallace, pretend-MP representing Ottawa to Burlington. Journalist couldn’t get a reply from the perpetrator Rob Anders.
I think he was off somewhere playing kissy ass with one of his competency challenged friends.
“Alberta MP’s mailings unwelcome: resident
Jason Misner—Post—Sunday, August 3, 2008
http://www.burlingtonpost.com/news/article/196069
Craig Gardner wants a Tory MP to stop mailing letters to his house.”
Anders as agent-provocateur RETHUGLICAN
http://buckdogpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-tory-mp-rob-anders-was-paid.html
Anders wearing a Lorena Bobbitt nose extension, exemplifying “BULLSHIT does INDEED WALK.”
http://www.jenniferpollock.ca/checkthisout/pinocchio.wmv
Anders in, “I want to have your baby mode.”
Tory MP Anders forced to remove ‘pro-life’ from East Block window
Jessica Bruno—Hill Times—July 14, 2008
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/cover_index.php?display=story&full_path=/2008/july/14/anders/&c=1
BC Fr. Immaculata vouches for integrity.
“Chief Government Whip Jay Hill says no signs allowed in Parliament Buildings windows, wants to preserve integrity”…
See also 200-page ‘how-to manual’ for disrupting parliamentary committees.
Anders in deep pucker mode Stampede
http://macleans.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/1deepakanders.jpg?w=400&h=300
Keywords:
“The Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada has ensured that his pal, Rob Anders has a nice safe seat to run in in Calgary”…
Hey Garth, I hope your meeting goes well because I can see you’ve done a lot of work to put it all together. I keep hearing that the CPC is asking Mr. Dion if his green shift will include side deals for certain provinces. Will he address that question at your meeting? If the answer is yes, which provinces will get special deals and what will those deals include?
Leasa
By Leasa on 08.02.08 10:40 pm
Oh boy, here she goes again….not realizing that Harper is lying and trying to manipulate her mind…she falls for it every time.
Really a piece of work Leasa, you really are.
Joe Preston, look out–we are coming for you.
Dr Mike Popovich–former life-long Progressive Conservative.
By Dr Mike from Rodney on 08.01.08 6:18 am
‘Morning good doctor. I heard from a reliable source, Joe, aka Giuseppe, is firmly ensconced in his bunker [wolf's lair] furiously issuing TEN PERCENTER EDICTS. Preston is no Giuseppe Garibaldi though.
I suspect, when the rubber hits the road, you won’t be seeing much of Joe, except for staged leader visits for the press.
http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/preston2.jpg
http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/preston1.jpg
Americans are angry about government officials and experts misrepresenting the economic realities they’re facing. It’s the same for Canadians watching Flaherty roam around the country putting his ’spin’ on ‘how good it is.’
All in all, Williams has little patience with arcane debates about which benchmarks add up to a bona fide recession. “Highly paid government officials and experts in economics will paint a rosier picture than it really is,” he said. “On Main Street, I think it’s tougher. If a fourth-grade teacher can feel it, I don’t know why the economists can’t.”
Don Aucoin can be reached at aucoin@globe.com.
Going into ’survival mode’
http://www.boston.com/business/personalfinance/articles/2008/03/25/going_into_survival_mode/?page=1
The Triple E issues for the next election – Economy, Ethics, Environment. I look forward to an election if there are going to be debates on these three issues. What would be great is that there be three debates, one for each issue, and that the Green Party be in on the debates…that’s only ethical.
A very good column!
Sure, we have rights, but what about duties?
The Charter is a document to be proud of and we must defend it, yet it talks about rights and freedoms, but it doesn’t address the need for duties and responsibilities.
…
From John A. Macdonald on, our leaders have done a good job defining a geographic area called Canada, but were not very successful with the definition of Canadian citizenship. They were too busy protecting the rights of the “distinct societies” or “celebrating the differences,” believing that the geographic boundaries were enough protection for their rights.
For more than a century it was Canada that protected its citizens. Now, with globalization crushing geographic boundaries, it is Canada that is in need of its citizens.
Funny, in a way, that immigrants are told that one of their ‘duties’ is the VOTE! It is not merely a right but part of being a Canadian Citizen. I think some native born Canadians should go through that most awesome ceremony as they seem to have missed out on one of their key ‘responsibilities.’.
By TS on 08.03.08 6:53 am
Hi TS, fair for now, yes if that’s all it is. I would hate to think that he’d make special deals with the E. Coast so as not to lose support or upset Danny. I’ve been wondering why Danny is so quiet on Mr. Dion’s green shift plan. If what you say is true, what will happen to Mr. Dion’s green shift plan if all the provinces add a carbon tax and collect it themselves? Will he then pull back and nix all his carbon taxes? Or will this special deal for BC only apply to BC?
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Really a piece of work Leasa, you really are.
By slg on 08.03.08 8:02 am
Thank you! I am an original piece of work, one of a kind. Glad you noticed. All I am saying is; if Mr. Dion is going to push this plan, he’d better be ready to answer all the questions fully and not ignore the tough ones that make him uncomfortable.
BTW…for the record, I think all the parties, even Ms. May and her Greenies are full of shit on the environment. The GHG hype allows us to ignore a lot…water pollution and smog for just two.
It’s a beautiful day, have a great Sunday.
Leasa
this is unfair.
whenever i refute a point my post is censored.
a bunch of global warming nut cases that cannot stand an honest debate? why bother posting?
None of your dubious posts have been censored. — Garth
By Lana
Here are the CRAP’s triple E issues with supporting arguments.
http://gothamist.com/attachments/nyc_daveh/redacted.jpg
Hello fellow bloggers,
I have two specific questions to ask M. Dion. Since I am out here in lotusland obviously, I will not be able to attend Garth’s Dion town hall meeting.
Is there anyone out there in the blog-us-sphere that is attending the August 20 Oakville meeting that would field my two questions?
1. Canadians living above the 60th parallel cannot easily adapt or transition from diesel for heating, electricity or transportation due to the harsh winters. While the Green Shift plan increases the northerner tax credit, we in the south are the polluters and the north is far more affected by climate change and adaptation challenges.
Would you sir, consider providing an exemption of the carbon tax on diesel to Canadians living north of 60?
2. Over the past few years we have observed the folly of using farmland and food crops to produce ethanol in the US. The current government is pursuing this similar model which essentially will produce windfall profits for companies like Monsanto, do little for small farmers’ bottom-line and not reduce GHG’s.
Butanol on the other hand, looks to be a better alternative fuel vs. ethanol and produces hydrogen as a by-product.
Would you consider funding research into butanol in partnership with both automakers and green fuel producers for example – Iogen, a Canadian company?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5406/is_200209/ai_n21322049
Rather than burning huge resources of natural gas to produce ‘dirty’ Alberta oil for export to the US…Alberta should be shutting down the Tar Sands and shifting to the production of gasoline made from natural gas.
This would serve two purposes: eliminate cut CO2 emissions from the Tar Sands (the main reason why Canada cannot meet its Kyoto obligations) and reduce the horrific pollution that strip mining and ‘tailing ponds’ are creating in Alberta.
a bunch of global warming nut cases that cannot stand an honest debate? why bother posting?
None of your dubious posts have been censored. — Garth
By warren f on 08.03.08 10:02 am
Who is dishonest Watrren? You making false claims of censorship perhaps?
Hey Garth, I hope your meeting goes well because I can see you’ve done a lot of work to put it all together. I keep hearing that the CPC is asking Mr. Dion if his green shift will include side deals for certain provinces. Will he address that question at your meeting? If the answer is yes, which provinces will get special deals and what will those deals include?
By Leasa on 08.02.08 10:40 pm
Why not come to the meeting yourself and ask your own questions Leasa since you live within driving distance?
Who is dishonest Watrren? You making false claims of censorship perhaps?
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.03.08 10:41 am
Why is it always the idiots(Con-bot trolls) who claim to have been censored by Garth ?
Around here Warren you will find almost zero support for your positions .
Those of us that can think,for our selves accept global warming/climate change as fact and dogma ,
His comment was caught in the filter. It has been liberated. I sent him notification. — Garth
What are we,as Canadian’s, going to do about Arctic sovereignty ?
Many nations are claiming the Northwest passage as being neutral territory .
As the arctic will become the last refuge for Canadian’s it is vitally important that our claim is recognized by the entire world .
This sanctuary must remain in Canadian’s
hands into perpetuity .
His comment was caught in the filter. It has been liberated. I sent him notification. — Garth
By Men With Hats on 08.03.08 11:10 am
Alright . It still doesn’t change the fact that Warren is a global warming holocaust denier who quotes from outdated materials .
I rest my case .
Ooooooooooooo! A Protest! Well, talk about flashbacks? Man, will there be a Happening too? LMAO!
I’m bringing my placards and markers just in case!
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.02.08 11:20 pm
How ’bout a Be In . Remember those ?
Lots of music,naked Hippies and brown rice .
The Liberals just steal it directly from the Canadian taxpayer.
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 12:15 am
And the proof is where ?
this is unfair.
whenever i refute a point my post is censored.
a bunch of global warming nut cases that cannot stand an honest debate? why bother posting?
None of your dubious posts have been censored. — Garth
By warren f on 08.03.08 10:02 am
Dear Warren
If you want debate I suggest you provide links. Usually, climate change deniers come here and call us nuts (which is counter productive) with unsubstantiated “facts”.
In most cases the information comes from “Friends of Science” which is lead by Tim Ball and funded by Exxon-Mobil. In Exxon-Mobil’s case, they use disinformation in a tobacco lobby format to refute scientific facts.
Now why would Exxon do that? Greed Warren – the same reason tobacco companies denied the health risks of smoking for decades.
Basically, we understand that no debate will change your insistence that climate change does not exist. It’s a harsh reality that some people will cling to ideas that suit their beliefs outside of peer reviewed scientific research.
Hi DJ on 08.02.08 7:20 pm,
All oil product prices are headed up regardly of taxes!
You should see/rent this show/movie and watch the extra stuff on the DVD.
It has won many film awards!
(PMSH has NO PLAN to help us deal with this of stop climate change.)
‘A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash’ 2006
http://www.oilcrashmovie.com/
Here are the CRAP’s triple E issues with supporting arguments.
http://gothamist.com/attachments/nyc_daveh/redacted.jpg
By Captain George on 08.03.08 10:03 am
Good one. SOme people here want Dion to come up with answers, but don’t ask their own government to come with answers.
Hi warren f on 08.02.08 8:25 pm,
Have you taken the short 10 minutes to watch this;
‘How It All Ends’
(Why doing something, is a better choice than doing nothing!)
http://www.youtube.com/user/wonderingmind42
If you also want to us the gray mater in your head, see,
‘The Most IMPORTANT Video You’ll Ever See’ (The same link as above, just scrowl down.)
By TS on 08.03.08 7:17 am
I won’t even touch the same-sex marriage comment since it’s a discussion which will go nowhere. I will, however, touch the comment on censorship through Canadian film subsidies.
As a taxpayer, I am not in favour of subsidizing films or tv shows which nobody wants to watch. If the shows were good, subsidies would not be needed. As a regular person, I see no reason to fund productions which involve porn, gratuitous sex, violence, etc. We, as a people, are opposed (and justifiably so) to violence and yet if we do not fund a film, for example, showing violence, it is censorship. I see a disconnect here. I probably haven’t explained it clearly but that’s how I feel about the issue.
I don’t watch tv because cable and satellite are outrageously expensive, I don’t go to the movies because they are outrageously expensive and I have to pay to watch commercials before the movie starts, and I don’t go to the theatre because I really don’t like the theatre. And it’s also outrageously expensive. And, yet, my tax dollars are going toward funding productions which hardly anybody watches. I’d prefer my tax dollars go toward improving the care of senior citizens or to improving the lives of children at risk.
Somebody comments on Danny Williams’ silence. I hadn’t realized it until I read the comment that he has been uncharacteristically quiet on the matter of the Green Shift and that’s a real mystery because Danny Williams has something to say about everything. I have to give him props, though, for standing up for his province. I can’t remember any previous Newfoundland premier ever standing up to the federal government. And, let’s not forget how Newfoundland got robbed in the hydro deal.
Speaking of hydro, here in Ontario we apparently do not have enough electricity to go around. And yet we are building all over the place and adding more demand on what is supposedly a limited supply. Before the Rae government took over, apparently there was some dealing with Quebec and Manitoba for an east-west grid which would give Ontario an ample supply of hydro. I don’t know if it’s true or not but apparently the Rae government effectively killed that deal. If we shift away from fossil fuel burning vehicles to electric vehicles and we build more streetcars into our mass transit systems, where will we obtain the necessary hydro if Ontario is running out of it? Seems we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I still maintain that we have too many people on the planet, too much consumerism, and tool ittle vegetation to clean things up.
More CRAP
http://tinyurl.com/6l2ndp
OTTAWA — The Harper government is dismissing suggestions that it tried to play down the release of a major report warning about serious health effects from climate change.
Health Minister Tony Clement’s communications director conceded Friday that the release could have gone “way differently and way better.” But Rita Smith denied any attempt to bury the 500-page report by releasing it late Thursday with no fanfare.
The Conservative government’s hand was forced when parts of the report were leaked to the media last week, Smith said.
“This is not my preferred way to roll out anything,” she said.
“But when things start leaking and then the stories say that we are hiding something – which we’re not only not hiding, but we’re scrambling to get out there – it’s a bit unfair, it’s a bit crazy. . . .
“Frankly, as rollouts go, I so would have like to see this go way differently and way better.”
Clement’s office emailed the report in pieces to journalists late Thursday afternoon and the health minister later held a brief scrum with reporters at the Conservative caucus retreat in Levis, Que.
Smith said the government planned a major release for the third week of August but claimed those plans were quashed when journalists started poking around.
The report, titled “Human Health in a Changing Climate: A Canadian Assessment of Vulnerabilities and Adaptive Capacity,” was supposed to be released this spring.
A “be in”. Good one. Sheesh, I remember participating in a sit-in or two back in the day. At the time, hippies and protesting students were given short shrift and it amazes me that, today, we have to give them credit. A lot of what we protested back then is now on the front burner. Pollution was one of our issues but nobody paid attention because we were ‘wet behind the ears’ and didn’t know anything. Perhaps we should have paid more attention to the message and not judged the messenger. What I wouldn’t do to have the hair I had back then. Not the length. The quanitity of it.
I’m thinking back to the ocean liners we used to drive and I was just thinking today as I was washing my little Japanese car how, at the time, I wouldn’t be caught dead in a little 4-banger and how, today, I wouldn’t be caught dead in an 8-banger. How times have changed. Some of the change was good but lots of it is not good.
Thanks Charles Oxley, I always enjoy your links.
Dave Taylor, Deputy of the Alberta Liberals. I voted for him
By Irvine on 08.02.08 11:04 pm
Is there any other drivel that Harpo wants you to post?
By TS on 08.03.08 7:35 am
Ah TS, Irvine says he voted for Dave Taylor and so did I as a matter of fact.
Arctic Park Closed-Global Warming
http://tinyurl.com/5lxeb7
Global climate change may be driving the factors behind the partial closure of one of Canada’s Arctic parks, says Parks Canada.
Much of Auyuittuq National Park on Baffin Island was cut off to visitors this week after flash flooding in the region.
Parks officials continue to worry that erosion linked to warming weather may erode the walls of earth forming some of the park’s lakes. That could flood large portions of the park.
The park and surrounding communities have been dealing with record high temperatures, Parks Canada spokesperson Pauline Scott told CTV.ca on Friday.
“We’re quite concerned,” she said. “This is a very dynamic park. There have been melting glaciers for the last three years … but we’ve never seen anything like this in the 40 years the park has been in existence.”
Scott said a long stretch of warm weather began in June and continued throughout July. The first signs of trouble for visitors and residents began when the nearby town of Pangnirtung experienced flash flooding earlier in the summer.
Warm weather also melted some of the region’s permafrost and loosened ground support for a bridge in the town.
“What happened in Pangnirtung is what appears to be happening in the park,” said Scott.
Flooding due to the warm weather sent waves of water through the park, destroying much of the main path used by hikers.
“We’ve lost huge chunks of our trails … there were established foot trails that are completely gone now,” Scott said.
The report comes just over a month after the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said global warming had very likely been caused by human actions and was so severe it would continue for centuries. Most scientists attribute the rising temperatures to so-called greenhouse gases, which build up in the atmosphere and trap heat from the sun.
By TS on 08.03.08 7:23 am
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TS (Tango Sierra), have you seen any reports that reference the details on atmospheric clarity, ie. the decrease in particulate matter from volcanic eruptions having decreased significantly in recent decades? I recall that there have been reports that the huge volcanic explosions like Krakatoa caused a mini ice age due to the great volume of volcanic ash in the upper atmosphere reflecting so much Sun light! I don’t mean to play down the human activity contribution, but want ALL factors to be considered in conjunction. Volcanic eruptions also contribute huge amounts of GHGS in the form of gaseous sulfur compounds, which possibly persist long after the ash settles, too! The whole problem of climate change is very complex and calculations apparently require many measurements from many locations plus huge super computers to crunch the numbers. That all comes with a big price tag too!
““The earth’s temperature hasn’t increased for ten years.” It has on our planet, warren. — Garth”
Er,,Um…You might want to check that out Garth. According to NASA temperature records, the mean temperature of the earth, (that would be OUR plant), has not increased and in fact has decreased since 1998. Unless of course you think that NASA is part of some right-wing conspiracy to deny global warming actually exists.
His comment was caught in the filter. It has been liberated. I sent him notification. — Garth
Mine have occassionally as well, but I don’t make an issue of it. I think Garth has only needed to purge 2-3 comments in all the time I have been here, and he has that responsibility and right to do so. It is HIS blog, not mine.
So be HAPPY we have this forum. I know I am! Thanks Garth! & Esther!
There are rumours of a new political show starting this fall on CBC and the producers are already worried about the ratings and employees are totally stressed out.
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“The Liberals just steal it directly from the Canadian taxpayer.
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 12:15 am
And the proof is where ?
By Men With Hats on 08.03.08 11:33 am”
Ever hear of a little thing called Adscam? You might want to look into there Men With Hats. It was where taxpayer money went from our pocket to little brown envelopes of cash for Liberal friends.
By Men With Hats on 08.03.08 11:10 am
Likewise, humanity are basically pigs and treat the planet and their own environment as such. That was the case until things got too bad for people to tolerate. The first known instance was in London when coal made the air and everything else FILTHY! The King banned its use and DEATH was the penalty. That was in the 13th Century.
Then we had a resurgence of real common sense with the U.S. EPA back in the late Fifties. Canada has yet to catch on, and there is little chance of the current goobernment waking up. They are not even in the same millenia, much less century most have as reality.
As the old saying goes ‘How much can I piss in your coffee before you don’t want to drink it?’
The same deniers deny their own responsibility and foul contributions, but think they have the RIGHT to pollute. They are just your basic sociopathic narcissists who don’t have the brains to accept what they do is WRONG! That is why we have laws and consequences, but not from this pissant goobernment.
I ignore them because trying to convince them of anything without the use us a Louisville Slugger is nye impossible!
They have their supporters who are simply whores for some special interest group putting profits before humanity.
Ignorant arseholes have been, and always will walk amongst us!
Charles Oxley 12:47am
Thanks for the link on forclosures. I read on one site that in the southern U.S and parts of the midwest they could be looking at 50% forclosures unless something is done about it. About a week ago I posed three questions that only a couple of people were brave enough to answer and one of them was the focus of the aricle and depending which news source you read the fault gets split between the two.
It is interesting how many people here and elsewere are quick to criticize our polititians as soon as they disagree with them but few would even attempt to struggle with an answer to problems with no single right solution that Garth and others bravely deal with every day. It always has been easier to be an arm chair quarterback than the guy who has to make the decisions. On the other hand Harper and Layton are scarry when they proclaim to have the “only right answer” to every problem they encounter like this is some form of leadership. I have always voted for the person who listens the best rather than the one who tells me the “right answer” regardless of party.
Now why would Exxon do that? Greed Warren – the same reason tobacco companies denied the health risks of smoking for decades.
By Bonnie N BC on 08.03.08 11:33 am
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Bonnie, would that be the same reason Exxon Mobil kept an alcoholic supertanker captain on in charge of the Valdez? In-action on a problem is cheaper in the short run and does not impact the bottom line in the quarterly results until the ship hits the rocks, then make sure the insurance policy is paid up! Well shortly insurance on climate induced disasters will be unaffordable for everyone. Ask Lloyd’s of London where the rates are heading!
How ’bout a Be In . Remember those ?
Lots of music,naked Hippies and brown rice .
By Men With Hats on 08.03.08 11:30 am
No, Im was busy doing a thing across the pond and missed most of it. Heard and read about it when I came back. Closest I came to the Free Love movement was in Bangkok (The most accurately named city on Earth), Thailand on R&R. It wasn’t free, and the cure costs even more from what I witnessed. LOL
Garth .. No matter which way you cut it – The Green Shift – the reality is:
1. Canadians do not want a Liberal Carbon Tax.
2. Canadians don’t believe you Liberals will give them an income tax credit.
3. Canadians, and in particular Quebecers, do not want Dion as prime minister of Canada.
4. Canadians are not ready for an election now but will accept an October 19, 2009 mandatory election date.
5. Canadians view Dion as a weak Liberal leader.
The fact is, PM Harper has been campaigning all summer across Canada, and will be in B.C. this week. Meanwhile Dion has taken a prolonged ‘well-deserved’ vacation and is nowhere to be seen or heard. Bob Rae and Goodale are the only big-name Liberals to publicly state they are ready/want a Fall election afte PM Harper challenged Dion to ‘fish or cut bait’.
Exactly where is Dion ???
The Charter is a document to be proud of and we must defend it, yet it talks about rights and freedoms, but it doesn’t address the need for duties and responsibilities.
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.03.08 9:12 am
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Bill, not everyone shares this opinion!
Look very closely at the Charter. Part 1
outlines all the rights and freedoms, but does not include the right to own property/real estate.
Part 2 Proceeds to negate all of Part 1 for Aboriginals/Indigenous inhabitants.
For these reasons the Charter needs to be challenged in the Supreme Court and request that it be rewritten to stop this systemic discrimination.
For the record, I do not have any aboriginal inheritance, inlaws or family and only a few aquaintances who are. It is my sense of logic and fairness that leads me to these conclusions! READ THE CHARTER WITH AN OPEN UNBIASED MIND!
Maybe Pierre did what he could with what he had to work with in the “climate” of the day, but this should not be left unamended for the betterment of ALL CANADIANS, IMHO.
“If what you say is true, what will happen to Mr. Dion’s green shift plan if all the provinces add a carbon tax and collect it themselves? Will he then pull back and nix all his carbon taxes? Or will this special deal for BC only apply to BC?”
Since the Harper Conservatives have had their collective ‘climate change denier’ heads stuck in the sand since they took office, some of the provinces have been taking up the leadership on this issue.
Dion has tabled the ONLY integrated environmental/social justice/economic strategy put forth by a federal leader, and is demonstrating a level of leadership and innovation that Harpo and his zombies can’t even imagine.
As far as the actions of the provinces… I think it would be wonderful if all of the provinces instituted consistent carbon taxes across the country and used the proceeds to reduce income taxes in their respective areas. That would be a step in the right direction! If that kind of comprehensive provincial action was in place it would enable Dion to shift his attention to other ways to safeguard the environment, assist Canada’s poor and invest in the productivity of our industries.
In the near term that kind of coordinated provincial strategy is NOT going to happen, and The Green Shift plan is the best integrated option that is available to the Canadian public.
It is rather pointless of you to raise a hypothesis about the potential impact of something that simply is not going to happen, i.e. the imposition of carbon taxes by all provinces.
This is typical neoCon strategy… try to obscure intelligent debate on something here and now, by raising the unlikely potential of something happening off in the future….and use that as an excuse not to take action today.
The fact is that Harpo and Birdie-Brain Baird have been a disgrace and a national embarrassment with their do-nothing, climate-denier approach to the environment.
The real issue for Canadians is whether they want:
1) Emissions to continue to rise under Harpo’s ridiculous ‘intensity target’ approach (an approach universally criticized by knowledgeable environmentalists and economists), or do they want a price put on carbon that is widely supported as one of the building blocks of a good environmental policy?
2) Do they want over 3.4 million Canadians to remain mired in poverty with Harpo’s do-nothing approach, or would they rather see a higher level of social justice in Canada with the poorest in Canada getting additional support and incentives?
3) Do they want to keep paying personal income taxes at the current level or would they rather have their income taxes reduced under Dion’s plan?
4) Do they want an independent third party (i.e. the Auditor General) to hold the government accountable under Dion’s plan, or do they want more of Harpo’s lies and deceit?
The answer is clear to me. The Green Shift plan wins hands down over more of Harpo’s inaction, lies, and deceit.
“The Liberals just steal it directly from the Canadian taxpayer.
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 12:15 am”
The Gomery Inquiry investigated this matter in depth and the resulting report proved that the monies that were funnelled into the Liberal Party was the action of a few renegade people acting independently, illegally, and without any approval or direction from the executives of the Liberal Party.
The Gomery Inquiry Report also found that those renegade individuals NEVER received any direction to take these illegal actions from the Prime Minister or anyone in the Liberal cabinet.
Immediately after the release of the Gomery Inquiry, Paul Martin, the Prime Minister at the time, ordered that all such funds be returned to the Canadian public by the Liberal Party.
In addition, the RCMP were called in to investigate the entire issue and criminal charges were laid, the responsible individuals were convicted or pleaded guilty, they were given jail sentences, fines were paid, and monies gained illegally were ordered returned to the Canadian public.
For you to state that the Liberal Party ’stole’ money directly from Canadians is absolutely untrue.
That list is meaningless. But, of course, you know that. Every one of those people (including me) travelled the country at personal expense to assist their party and their colleagues. Try being truthful for once on this blog. — Garth
By Bocanut on 08.02.08 10:18 pm
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Bocanut, do you give your employer a donation in cash or deduction(s)? If you do, does it qualify for a Federal Tax Rebate? Just think about it for more than a second or two! These politicians are employees ultimately paid by you and me as well as their parties to perform these many tasks in many places at times often inconvenient for them and their families! Many of them give far more time and soul to their work than most work a day fellow citizens. What kind of a Schmuck wants his employees to pay back the fruits of their labour for a pat on the back and a tax receipt? This retired union member has some words for you that would only be trapped in the filter(s)! And be assured it includes references to sex and travel at the speed of light!
If folks in Alberta were subject to the same ‘fiscal imbalance’ as the tax payers in Ontario there would be hell to pay!
If any province should be a hotbed for an independence movement based on economic reality… it should be Ontario!
http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/media/2005/sl03-finimb.html
“The Liberals just steal it directly from the Canadian taxpayer.
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 12:15 am
And the proof is where ?
By Men With Hats on 08.03.08 11:33 am ”
Man With Tin Hat On:
Did Adscam not happen in your world?
CPC anti-crime 10% make the front page of the Burlington Post…resident wonders why Rob Anders is sending 10% ers to Burlington/Halton!!!
Not happy about the waste of taxpayers money!!!
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=r1I_IlcOsx4
This clip shows all of Dion’s strengths: sincereity, thoughtfulness, experience, vision, intelligence. In short, the Dion that can beat Harper.
Please deliver this message.
Daryn
By Daryn on 08.03.08 5:13 am”
Daryn, thanks for posting the link. I watched it in its entirety. Great stuff! It showcases Dion’s commitmemnt to public service and his focus on doing what is right for the country. Just like his involvement in the creation of the Clarity Act.
Dion may not be flashy, or the best communicator….but he is ethical, intelligent, innovative, and sincere. Qualities that are sadly lacking in Harper and in any of his vicious attack dogs.
Hey Garth, wish I could go, but unfortunately I’m on the other side of the country in Victoria. Hope the meeting goes well though.
I like how you put the Green Shift “[Tax] what you burn instead of what you earn” the Liberals should use that as their slogan for the program during the election (whenever it happens)!
The Liberals just steal it directly from the Canadian taxpayer.
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 12:15 am
Oh, you don’t think Harper is stealing your money? $31 million for polling, paid for by taxpayers and double the amount of polling of any government in history; $87 million for ads paid for by taxpayers – more than any political party in history; $650,000 for GST cut stickers paid for by taxpayers; makeup lady – we’re still waiting for the info on cost of that; trying to dupe taxpayers of approx $1 million in the in-and-out scheme…..shall we go on?
Leasa – when you say climate change is shit, etc. we know you don’t think, check info, pay attention to reports that Harper tries to hide indicating the truth….your opinion on this means nothing because you are truly uninformed and a sheep – you think what you are told to think.
Another credit to Mr. Dion’s Green Shift
If you Google Dr. Thomas Homer-Dixon, you will find about 13,500 results. If you hear him speak, he is just as impressive. He presently holds a chair at the Centre for International Governance Innovation at the new Balsillie School of International Affairs in Waterloo, having left his post at the U. of T. for this exciting new institition. I heard him today on C-PAC.
Dr. Homer-Dixon was the final speaker at the Canadian International Council, which, a Google-search informs us, is a coalition of Canadian voluntary sector organizations working globally to achieve sustainable human development.
In the course of his talk, Dr. Homer-Dixon showed his disappointment at the lack of effective action of our present government on climate change. He said that Stephane Dion HAS put forward a usable plan. His is just another informed and expert voice crediting Stephane Dion with a good comprehensive plan.
““Until the last troll slithers”?
I don’t really see what that actually refers to so I’ll simply say thanks for the answer.
By Simon on 08.02.08 9:54 pm
Let me help you Simon, until the last question is answered…is what I believe Mr. Turner meant.
By wjp on 08.03.08 7:18 am ”
Your translation may be right wjp but consider this:
I’m not asking you to agree. But I am asking you to come.”-Garth
That looks like an all inclusive welcome to debate a controversial proposal.
“Until the last troll slithers.” — Garth
Is this a statement that demeans everyone one who participates on this blog?
Or is this a statement about those who disagree with Professor Dion’s Green Shift boondoggle?
Either way they’re contradicting statements, with the “troll” one being insulting to all those who he’s apparently graciously invited, but then can the Canadian voter expect anything different from a poiltician representing the most corrupt government in the history of Canada.
http://www.lfpress.com/specialreports/portsinperil.html
Here is another case of our Federal goofoffermunt failing to capitalize on assets. This Port Stanley harbor and Oshawa both can be viable cross lake ferry terminals that save fuel, reduce truck traffic on 401, QEW, etc. and make use of existing facilities that need some upgrading.
A Port Stanley ferry service can service both Erie, Pa. and Cleveland, Oh. which have direct interstate links to Pittsburg, Pa., then either Washington & Baltimore, or Charlotte, N.C., Charleston, S.C., or all of Georgia and Florida. This would relieve the pressure on the Niagara and Windsor border crossings. Oshawa to Rochester, N.Y. leads directly to Boston, Mass., NYC, Philadelphia, as well as the Deep South.
Another aspect of such ferry crossings is it gives truckers a rest break that they can log off during the voyage. Properly presented and financed, this is a win /win for everybody. Maybe the Feds should just sell these harbors to either the Province or the local municipalities who can see a positive proposition. This retired trucker would have used both of these crossing many times in the past if they had been available. I used the Sombra to Marine City crossing when the need and justification was valid, too, when Sarnia/Port Huron was plugged up!
Energy conservation need not be rocket science, it is some times just a case of finding a way to lay down in the bunk safely if the opportunity is available!
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By Captain George on 08.03.08 12:43 pm
I heard it’s a Harry ESS ESS subsided show … ALL ADVERTISING!
Sent: August 3, 2008 12:35 PM
To: ‘pm@pm.gc.ca’
Subject: Householder – Partisan Ad Sunshine Coast
Prime Minster
Thank you for the partisan householder on the Green Shift plan and your favourite target M. Dion. I see your views on the environment are a very high priority considering the number of trees you have destroyed to get your important message out.
Sir, perhaps you should take a look at the ad I paid for, as the Check One Arrow seems to be pointing at Jack Layton. I am unsure if that was your intent or a subliminal message.
Your respect for Canadians and the privileges of your role as Prime Minister are such that you could stop these inane householders tomorrow.
Please note you do not have permission to add my email address to any Conservative Party of Canada data mining service.
For the record, I will be checking the box on election day for a real leader – M. Dion.
Best Regards,
Immediately after the release of the Gomery Inquiry, Paul Martin, the Prime Minister at the time, ordered that all such funds be returned to the Canadian public by the Liberal Party.
In addition, the RCMP were called in to investigate the entire issue and criminal charges were laid, the responsible individuals were convicted or pleaded guilty, they were given jail sentences, fines were paid, and monies gained illegally were ordered returned to the Canadian public.
By TS on 08.03.08 1:31 pm
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TS, in my mind PM Paul Martin stands very tall, and rates much better than he was treated. It took a lot of guts and gumption to do what he did to uncover and correct the situation. Would or will Harper do the same? You make up your own mind, but I think I know what the scene would be…….lets leave it at that!
Time has a great way of revealing things in the mirror(s)! [once the smoke blows away]
AdScam vs the IT debacle? Which is worse? Who was to blame? Facts, make for hard argument. Some here ignore the FACTS in favour of politicial BS!
Therefore, I ignore THEM!
Either way they’re contradicting statements, with the “troll” one being insulting to all those who he’s apparently graciously invited, but then can the Canadian voter expect anything different from a poiltician representing the most corrupt government in the history of Canada.
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 2:59 pm
I didn’t know Garth had returned to Harper’s party!
1. Canadians do not want a Liberal Carbon Tax.
NOT TRUE
2. Canadians don’t believe you Liberals will give them an income tax credit.
NOT TRUE
3. Canadians, and in particular Quebecers, do not want Dion as prime minister of Canada.
NOT TRUE
4. Canadians are not ready for an election now but will accept an October 19, 2009 mandatory election date.
NOT TRUE
5. Canadians view Dion as a weak Liberal leader.
NOT TRUE
By HARRY S on 08.03.08 12:58 pm
Unless of course you think that NASA is part of some right-wing conspiracy to deny global warming actually exists.
By tlc on 08.03.08 12:42 pm
Fact & Reality Check
2007 NASA Data
Goddard Institute
Can you read????
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/
“Immediately after the release of the Gomery Inquiry, Paul Martin, the Prime Minister at the time, ordered that all such funds be returned to the Canadian public by the Liberal Party.
By TS on 08.03.08 1:31 pm ”
No money whatsoever has actually been returned to date.
The Liberals are financially strapped.
They can’t deliver their Green Shift message consistently within their own caucus.
Dion can’t manage his leadership campaign finances.
And now you believe the Liberals when they say trust us?
TS, in my mind PM Paul Martin stands very tall, and rates much better than he was treated. It took a lot of guts and gumption to do what he did to uncover and correct the situation.
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 3:41 pm ”
Martin did not have a choice,the scandal was about to be published in the press,he called the inquiry and set the parameters to protect the leadership.
Did Martin stand very tall in your eyes when he registered his company Canada Steamship under a foreign country to avoid paying taxes in Canada?
by Harry S.
No matter which way you cut it – The Green Shift – the reality is:
It always cracks me up when Harry claims to state how reality “is” not only because he may be the least qualified person to make such a report but the inanity of such a claim is beyond ridiculous.
Bill, not everyone shares this opinion!
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 1:09 pm
CR- Not everyone shares any opinion. That is a simple truth.
The U.S. Constitution, Thirteenth Amedment outlawed slavery and states, in effect ‘It is unlawful to force anyone to involuntarily contribute to the support of a household.’ Funny how that very principle has been cast aside for many people of divorce with alimony (maintenance) and child support using coercern by the government!
They, of course, took forever to acknowledge:
1. Black people (or any person of colour) are human beings, and therefore share the same rights as White people.
2. The Constitution applies to the Confederate States.
3. That ‘We the people’ means ALL American citizens.
I do not disagree with your points, and applaud your taking the time to cite them. I do, however, realize that no written document is perfect, nor can it be eternal.
Canada’s CoR&F is a dynamic, living principle. That is very seldom true in the U.S. where it might as well be cast in stone and never subject to modification until all Hell has broken lose.
We will continualy evolve our CoR&F, as should be the case as we as a nation, and a people learn and change for the betterment of all of us. The severest danger is that of those who want to ‘go back’, not forward, and rule by a theocratically or other defunct means based on ideology.
These conditions addressed by the Thirteenth amendment
Most interesting is the fact that the U.S. Thriteenth amendment was derived from Canada’s laws regarding the Northwest Territories.
In selecting the text of the Amendment, Congress ”reproduced the historic words of the ordinance of 1787 for the government of the Northwest Territory, and gave them unrestricted application within the United States.”
Additionally, Peonage is Defined as a condition of enforced servitude by which the servitor is compelled to labor against his will in liquidation of some debt or obligation, either real or pretended, peonage was found to have been unconstitutionally sanctioned by an Alabama statute, directed at defaulting sharecroppers, which imposed a criminal liability and subjected to imprisonment farm workers or tenants who abandoned their employment, breached their contracts, and exercised their legal right to enter into employment of a similar nature with another person. The clear purpose of such a statute was declared to be the coercion of payment, by means of criminal proceedings, of a purely civil li ability arising from breach of contract.
When governments, and those behind movement engender to destroy establish Constitutional law, they are perpetrators of tyranny. Be wary at all times of such movements, for they are the habinger of enslavement of the masses by the few!
In the U.S. it is also illegal to ‘act under colour of law’ which means to attempt to apply inapplicable law to achieve an illegal and unwarranted end.
Would or will Harper do the same? You make up your own mind, but I think I know what the scene would be….lets leave it at that!
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 3:41 pm
Income Trusts $35 Billion … Response was 18 blacked out pages with a threat that justice would sue to have them returned if the financial advisor did not voluntarily comply.
Karlheinz Schreiber, Emperor Byron of Muldoon Ka-Ching Ka-Ching dynasty … $20 Million slush fund sitting out there for redistribution to Muldoon, Moores, Doucet and others.
By Markus D. on 08.03.08 4:17 pm
Lana.
Remember that is U-know-who’s world he is the Big Three…Me, Myself, and I.
Like Sean Connery said in “The Hunt for Red October’ about his student and current nemisis Tupolov, ‘There is no room for anyone but himself in Tupolov’s heart!
re: green shift
higher taxes, bigger government, regulations on personal behavior and spending habits ….
sounds like communism to me….
no thank you – and if the liberals win the next election I’ll be seeking political asylum in America – in fact, I’ll likely do the same if the conservatives win because they are conservative in name only…
Canada is now a political and social mess with a declining standard of living due to an irresponsible and anarchist liberal bureaucracy, punitive tax rates, excessive government and a far-left mainstream media…. and anyone who would think the “green shift” (communism) is a good idea is being disingenuous at best
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT:
because he may be the MOST least qualified person to make such a report but the inanity of such a claim is beyond ridiculous.
By Markus D. on 08.03.08 4:17 pm
Ring the bells to call the vote!
UNANIMOUS
Ever hear of a little thing called Adscam? You might want to look into there Men With Hats. It was where taxpayer money went from our pocket to little brown envelopes of cash for Liberal friends.
By tlc on 08.03.08 12:50 pm
And you might want to check you so-called bullshit facts .
No Liberal was ever charged or convicted
of any crime .
Most were Mulroney era bureaucrats .
Chuck Guite was a Conservative bag man.
You are mightily confused TLC .
By Brad on 08.03.08 4:40 pm
re: green shift … higher taxes, bigger government, regulations on personal behavior and spending habits ….
sounds like communism to me….
no thank you – and if the liberals win the next election I’ll be seeking political asylum in America – in fact, I’ll likely do the same if the conservatives win because they are conservative in name only…
Canada is now a political and social mess with a declining standard of living due to an irresponsible and anarchist liberal bureaucracy, punitive tax rates, excessive government and a far-left mainstream media…. and anyone who would think the “green shift” (communism) is a good idea is being disingenuous at best
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Brad … you shouldn’t be blaming any of the political parties for the leftist mentality of Canadians, because they are just giving Canadians what they want … freebies from government.
Harper Conservatives are facing a leftist-bred population, and must somehow momentarily convince them that the Conservatives are like the Liberals … but keep their promises to cut taxes. “We are just like the Liberals, but we are better at keep our promises!!”
Canadians only have to become ‘Conservative’ for one day of the year … the day they are in the voting booth, and that’s what Harper is trying to convince Canadians with his Liberal-like actions.
Once Harper is given a majority government, he will be able to begin the conversion of Canada into a world class global competitor. There will be winners and losers, but that will be the medicine Canada will have to swallow if we want to survive in the global economy. Liberals have admitted there will be winners and losers under their Green Shift.
Dion is trying to ’sell’ his fear for ‘global warming’ with his Green Shift and appealing to Canadian’s altruistic feeelings towards the planet .. i.e. let’s save the planet with our wallets. Those with secure government jobs can afford that kind of thinking, but Canadians working in competitive industries cannot. Dion will divide Canadians with his Green Shift in his quest to regain power.
Hold off abandoning Canada, and support a majority Conservative government for the next election, and I’m sure you will be satisfied with the results and the future.
, in my mind PM Paul Martin stands very tall, and rates much better than he was treated. It took a lot of guts and gumption to do what he did to uncover and correct the situation. Would or will Harper do the same? You make up your own mind, but I think I know what the scene would be…….lets leave it at that!
Time has a great way of revealing things in the mirror(s)! [once the smoke blows away]
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 3:41 pm
In my opinion Martin’s actions were not governed by courage but by arrogance and a bit of vindictiveness against Chretien.
In the end, the inquiry was a waste of taxpayers money because the recommendations, which are the purpose for such an inquiry, are gathering dust. The charges that have been laid come from the police investigation not the inquiry.
CRAP working on the next generation of voters.
http://powrightbetweentheeyes.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/06/tory_ad.jpg
Canada is now a political and social mess with a declining standard of living due to an irresponsible and anarchist liberal bureaucracy, punitive tax rates, excessive government and a far-left mainstream media…. and anyone who would think the “green shift” (communism) is a good idea is being disingenuous at best
By Brad on 08.03.08 4:40 pm
You prefer Bushie…go for it!!!
slg on 08.03.08 2:38 pm,
Remember that social conservatives believe in faith rather than science.
Numbnutz :
Whatever funds were misappropriated by petty bureaucrat pales into comparison to the thirty five BILLION dollars stolen by the filthy Con-bots .
Some will never recover .
This was a personal attack on seniors savings .
Glad you are happy to support a bunch of brow shirted fascists .
Debate over . You lose . Now STFU .
higher taxes, bigger government, regulations on personal behavior and spending habits ….
sounds like communism to me….
no thank you – and if the liberals win the next election I’ll be seeking political asylum in America – in fact, I’ll likely do the same if the conservatives win because they are conservative in name only…
By Brad on 08.03.08 4:40 pm
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Young fellow, you have no idea what real
communism is nor what Soviet style communism is either. In your quest to find your economic nirvana, please leave Canada as quickly as possible, and take your passport, birth certificate, et al with you. When you some day wake up to what you had and left behind, you will need these to prove who you are! Remember to never say, eh, only huh! Plus a whole lot more subtle nuances, because where you are headed, they will use any excuse to discriminate against you. I’ve been there and seen it. Good luck, yu’all, now up yonder an every thang! My cousins will have some fun wiff ya!
In the U.S. it is also illegal to ‘act under colour of law’ which means to attempt to apply inapplicable law to achieve an illegal and unwarranted end.
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.03.08 4:32 pm
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Bill, appreciated, and duly noted that most of our laws are based on British common Law with the exceptions of both Nepoleonic Law in Quebec, Louisiana, Alabama, and one other, plus some of the Western States may have some amount of Castillian (Spanish) based legal roots.
Were you aware that the first case of child abuse successfully prosecuted was in New York City using the newly minted law against cruelty to animals! Well as you noted we have progressed from that with the drafting and implementation of laws protecting children from abuse from where there were none.
My contest with the CoR&F is that it sets out what is protected then immediately strips that off from our First Nations and Metis, plus the impass between the provinces that virtually prevents any amendments being discussed never mind passed!
It is my regret that as a nation we are failing to teach pure logic, ethics and morality in our schools. Some of the secular schools apparently do, but they tend to do it in a biased manner.
(Besides I.Q. there is also I.C. = Intellectual Capacity. Not every one is born equal nor are we all equally equipped! Enjoyed your feed back.)
I, having just finished watching ‘The Arrow’, again find myself in a most saddened state. What should have been, and was rightly Canada’s place as the World Leader in Aerospace, was destroyed by a Prairie Hick whose petty ego far outstretched his intellect.
Crawford Gordon, like too many, also allowed his little head to do the thinking when he could have set aside his ego and lust, and definitely the booze, and stayed a steady and productive course. What a travesty!
If you have never seen the movie watch it. Discover how truly GREAT this nation once was. Watch the credits at the end and witness what canadians did to place the U.S. in space, on the moon, and give the word the Concord.
Yes, we are repeating history with Harper acting even more blatantly ignorant than Diefenbaker. Harper is actually DANGEROUS!
Are we going to allow this travesty to Canada to continue? Will we repeat the same mistake again?
The Liberals just steal it directly from the Canadian taxpayer.
BY BOCANUT ON 08.03.08 12:15 AM
As opposed to the way the Cons are stealing?
If I recall correctly, we were about to lose a province at the time? People were caught, Martin apologized to Canadians. We got to keep Quebec, it was worth every penny.
I’ve been there and seen it. Good luck, yu’all, now up yonder an every thang! My cousins will have some fun wiff ya!
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 5:27 pm
Likewise CR! Likewise!.
My cousins might enjoy a little fresh flesh too! LOL
Most Canadians have no idea what they have and how rare and precious it is.
The 500,000 to1 million former Americans that have moved here do! We understand freedom and accountability. We understand integrityand dedication that all are equal, all are free or none are free.
The same corrupt and mindless morons wanting power took over the U.S. decades ago, but their day is fast coming to an end. Hopefully canada’s is NOT!
3. Canadians, and in particular Quebecers, do not want Dion as prime minister of Canada.
NOT TRUE
By Lana on 08.03.08 3:54 pm
Lana,
Actually, Harry S. (rather the Deathstar) for a change, is partially correct about Quebec. You may have noticed, many Albertans are rabid about the 80’s NEP introduced by M. Trudeau. Quebecois are rabid over Dion.
To explain, during the same decade the constitution was repatriated by M. Trudeau and many Quebecois have never gotten over the experience.
During the 1995 referendum, M. Dion came out against “sovereignty association”. He was called a rat and much, much worse.
The odd reaction is even though M. Dion was born, lives and up to his election worked in Quebec City as a professor he is not considered a true Quebecois because his mother was born in France.
I have no idea why this distinction is so important to separatists. From the outside, it looks like a form of intolerance and discrimination but I have never lived in Quebec to understand the cultural differences between Quebecois and the rest of Canada.
Ooooaarrrrr hairy boy, ‘oim Cap’n Libliner; ever been to sea and shafted by CRAP? Nooooo?
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A Rabbi and the Pope
Several centuries ago, the Pope decreed that all the Jews had to convert to Catholicism or leave Italy. There was a huge outcry from the Jewish community, so the Pope offered a deal.
He’d have a religious debate with the leader of the Jewish community. If the Jews won, they could stay in Italy; if the Pope won, they’d have to convert or leave.
The Jewish people met and picked an aged and wise rabbi to represent them in the debate. However, as the rabbi spoke no Italian, and the Pope spoke no Yiddish, they agreed that it would be a “silent” debate.
On the chosen day the Pope and rabbi sat opposite each other.
The Pope raised his hand and showed three fingers.
The rabbi looked back and raised one finger.
Next, the Pope waved his finger around his head.
The rabbi pointed to the ground where he sat.
The Pope brought out a communion wafer and a chalice of wine.
The rabbi pulled out an apple.
With that, the Pope stood up and declared himself beaten and said that the rabbi was too clever. The Jews could stay in Italy.
Later the cardinals met with the Pope and asked him what had happened.
The Pope said, “First I held up three fingers to represent the Trinity. He responded by holding up a single finger to remind me there is still only one God common to both our beliefs.
“Then, I waved my finger around my head to show him that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground to show that God was also right here with us.
“I pulled out the wine and wafer to show that God absolves us of all our sins. He pulled out an apple to remind me of the original sin.
“He bested me at every move and I could not continue.”
Meanwhile, the Jewish community gathered to ask the rabbi how he’d won. “I haven’t a clue” the rabbi said. “First, he told me that we had three days to get out of Italy, so I gave him the finger.
“Then he tells me that the whole country would be cleared of Jews and I told him that we were staying right here.”
“And then what?” asked a woman.
“Who knows?” said the rabbi. “He took out his lunch so I took out mine.”
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WW from The Okanagan Saturday:
“It’s not bragging if you can back it up.” — Muhammed Ali
Seems like the only things CRAP has to offer is a litany of lies; there’s no need to back any of them up, as most folk already know which way to vote!
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This gives people a much clearer idea of how well mgmt. operates (from Money & Markets):
“General Motors lost $172 million per day — $15.5 billion in three months. . . . No one can predict with certainty whether GM will survive, fail or get bailed out. . . . Banks that stand in the middle of these financial troubles — GM, Ford, Chrysler, Fannie Mae, home builders, and dozens of airlines — are going to suffer a whole new round of write-offs and failures.”
Keep in mind that Ford already has a state-of-the-art brand new plant in Brazil — I certainy wouldn’t put it past all of them to shut up shop completely and move elsewhere.
As well, bail-outs — either in the US or Canada — come directly from taxpayers, nowhere else.
Remember that social conservatives believe in faith rather than science.
By C. B. Innes on 08.03.08 5:21 p
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Remember when they still called it Social Credit? It was in some ways Social Discredit!
“It’s a matter of taxing what we burn, instead of what we earn. It would mean higher energy costs (but not gasoline), but everyone would have more after-tax income. ”
So you really, really think that by imposing your Carbon Tax on oil producers and gas refiners WILL NOT pass this new cost of Carbon Tax to the gas at the pumps?
And you may want to have your Liberal colleagues have check their Green Shaft Tax messaging…. Mr. LeBlanc today stated that the Carbon Tax credits will help the current rise in our energy and gas prices. Even your Green Shaft Tax document states that the new tax credits will cover the energy rise from the new Carbon Tax – it does NOT mention the current costs.
I’ll consider believing anything you say when you apologize for saying Liberal MPs mailed out a joke about killing PMSH. Liar. — Garth
There’s a considerable amount of controversy surrounding the AVRO Arrow.
It makes for an interesting project to take a look at all sides of the issue.
“Bocanut, do you give your employer a donation in cash or deduction(s)? If you do, does it qualify for a Federal Tax Rebate? Just think about it for more than a second or two! These politicians are employees ultimately paid by you and me as well as their parties to perform these many tasks in many places at times often inconvenient for them and their families! Many of them give far more time and soul to their work than most work a day fellow citizens. What kind of a Schmuck wants his employees to pay back the fruits of their labour for a pat on the back and a tax receipt? This retired union member has some words for you that would only be trapped in the filter(s)! And be assured it includes references to sex and travel at the speed of light!
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 1:32 pm”
Then it’s fine with you if the head leeches at your union refuse to pay their dues but demand that the lesser leeches pony up?
Or has the cradle to the grave,union solidarity forever mentality become so ingrained that you are incapable of independent thought and recognizing the similarities?
It is my regret that as a nation we are failing to teach pure logic, ethics and morality in our schools. Some of the secular schools apparently do, but they tend to do it in a biased manner.
(Besides I.Q. there is also I.C. = Intellectual Capacity. Not every one is born equal nor are we all equally equipped! Enjoyed your feed back.)
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 5:48 pm
How refreshing to have an exchange with a truly informed and intelligent person willing to actually cite a basis for their position.
Let me add a few thoughts to your comment.
1. Pure logic has gotten mankind into trouble. We are not Vulcans, not trained, nor should we be, to dispense with all emotions. They can drive us to greatness, or improperly applied to horrors.
2. Yes, many secular schools are now teaching ethics. Morality is a poor term, but still has credibility if applied in a mano-a-mano basis.
3. I.Q. was a segregation methodology designed to support the elimination of equality. Queen Victoria sponsored and commissioned Darwin to find a justification to purge England’s welfare rolls. He was quite successful with his ‘Natural Selection. That led to the atrocities against many, and the Final Solution of Nazi germany. All in the name of ‘logic and science.’
Therefore, we must tread such a path with the utmost of humility and humanity lest we repeat the horrors of our immediate past. I like the I.C. idea, but would add that I hold to several key philosophies regarding such.
First the Chinese:
1. ‘If you give a man a fish you will feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish you will feed him for a lifetime.’
Therefore training and education is quid essential to civilization’s continuity.
2. ‘Religion will tell you what to think. Philsophy will teach you how to think.’
Morality, unfortunately, has become intimately linked to the concept that the Bible is inerrant. It is not.
I could expouind on why, but let it suffice to say I have a university major and degree in the subject as well as four decades of research.
3. I have yet to meet a complete worthless person. They can always serve as bad example. LOL
I have worked with all types of people over the course of my life. Many are as they are because no one ever cared to take the time to even talk or listen to them. Many are the product of their eperiential knowledge, and are locked into a prison of their own making. They hold the key, but no one ever taught them how to use it. Others simply are incapable of using the key and need the loving and kjind support of society. Look for the best in a person and you will help them find it as well. Look for the worst and you merely reinforce their belief, and nothing changes.
I also believe we need Tough Love when people insist on repeating the same error. That I define as true insanity. Help extinguish their inapproriate behaviour, but never forget they are the ones who must do it. What is inappropriate? Actions that harm the person or others directly. Psychology was another of my majors in university. We know so much, and yet practice so little. Sad!
Thanks again for the intellectual stimulation. I hope it does the same for others here!
Hold off abandoning Canada, and support a majority Conservative government for the next election, and I’m sure you will be satisfied with the results and the future.
By HARRY S on 08.03.08 5:13 pm
Like invading Iran with Harper’s good friend Bushie…Can’t wait!!!
By Catherine on 08.03.08 6:03 pm
And Harper’s plan is $65 a tonne with no tax relief…or allowing the U.S. to place a tax on imports from Canada and having Canadian’s tax dollars go into the U.S. Treasury.
By HARRY S on 08.03.08 12:58 pm
Harry, Harry – you DO NOT speak for all Canadians so quit writing as if you do.
So, is Bocanut/Harry one in the same? Bocanut spends a lot of time on here….new name, same rhetoric…hmm…
Are we going to allow this travesty to Canada to continue? Will we repeat the same mistake again?
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.03.08 5:49 pm
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I must inform you, Bill, that is only one of four serious aeronautical wasted opportunities.
-in 1937ish a little company in the Okanagan went to Ottawa to ask for loan guarantees for an aircraft they were building. PM Mackenzie King [Liberal]turned them down because we can do that in a depression. So that company moved to Seattle. You know it well, it was Boeing, a former Canadian Company!
-in another boondoggle De Havilland
wanted Ottawa to back their Plans to build the world’s first commercial jet liner the DHC-3. Oh no, you can’t do that (1952) we need you to change over to build F86 Saber Jet Fighters for this Korean conflict that has just started [Louis St. Laurent, Liberal]. Well in the early 1980’s those plans were reviewed and the consensus was that the DHC-3 was as equally over designed as was the Douglas DC-3 and would still be flying today!
-the Avro Arrow you touched on, [Diefenbaker, Progressive Conservative]
-and there was a fourth one. Can some one else provide the details?
The bottom line is Autowahaha, does not have politicians with guts gumption and gonads when it comes to predicting the furure, leading and controlling the economy. So many reactionary knee jerk appointed jocks, that do not represent the real Canadian spirit of enterprise, and innovation. WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE CHOOSE OUR POLITICIANS!
Seems to be a lot of talk aboiut Adscam on here…sure glad we got that new government that was going to be accountable, ethical, transparent, and different from the Liberals…all I see is lying, deceipt and attempts to defraud the taxpayers…
STEPHEN HARPER LIED TO INVESTORS ON INCOME TRUSTS.
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED ON TAPE he was aware of a financial offer to Cadman.
STEPHEN HARPER ADMITTED THE CPC used the “IN & OUT SCHEME” in their campaign financing. The investigator for Elections Canada denied claims by the CPC that other parties did it in 2004 & 2006.
STEPHEN HARPER’S chief of staff, most likely under instructions from Harper, tried to INTERFERE in another country’s election process, commonly known now as NAFTAGATE. I am sure Sen. Obama will not forget this trespass.
STEPHEN HARPER tried to SMEAR Liberal MP Bains in the House of Commons. (The character of HARPER exposed, like the smear against Martin as favouring child pornography and Liberals supporting the Taliban)
STEPHEN HARPER ran on having an ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNMENT, then immediately appointed an unaccountable minister. (Hiding Michael Fortier in the Senate, the same senate he opposed as unelected, then appointed Fortier)
It makes for an interesting project to take a look at all sides of the issue.
By Simon on 08.03.08 6:12 pm
Are you attempting to defend Diefenbaker? If so…then you have no credibility. The history of achievement by the A.V. Roe people speaks for itself. I have an entire library section regarding it.
Diefenbaker was a fool, probably not intentionally, but a fool nontheless. In the end his ego overrode the interests of Canada and Canadians. May we NEVER forget!
He was incompetent to act as he did. His cancellation was an atrocity to Canada forever. Whether you realize it or not, it literally changed the course of modern history.
Harper is without excuse as he could, were he of any moral fibre or character, learn from hsitory. He has abundantly demonstrated he is incapable of doing so.
“Numbnutz :
Whatever funds were misappropriated by petty bureaucrat pales into comparison to the thirty five BILLION dollars stolen by the filthy Con-bots .
Some will never recover .
This was a personal attack on seniors savings .
Glad you are happy to support a bunch of brow shirted fascists .
Debate over . You lose . Now STFU .
By Men With Hats on 08.03.08 5:26 pm ”
Man With Tin Hat On:
The seniors that I’ve talked to were not happy with the change in the Income Trust legislation but most recognized it was neccessary, since then most have recovered financially because of the fiscally responsible Conservatives. The seniors that you’ve talked to ,were they in the same park as the homeless that the Shawinigan Strangler used to talk to?
By Catherine on 08.03.08 6:03 pm
In fact, Catherine … Dion is overtaxing gasoline under his Green Shift. The current 10¢ per litre federal excise tax on gasoline will just become a ‘carbon tax’ since it represents a $42 per tonne tax at 10¢ per litre.
All other fuels will only be carbon taxed starting at $10 per tonne .. which is equivalent to 2.6¢ per litre if it were applied to gasoline. Even diesel fuel gets better tax treatment than gasoline.
Dion is screwing Canadians by carbon taxing car gasoline at a rate of $42 per tonne … and then the oil companies will try to pass on the carbon tax they will be paying to develop, pump, refine, distribute and market gasoline.
Somebody should ask Dion when he visits with Garth in Oakville, why does he overtax gasoline under his Green Shift?!
U.S. TELLING THE U.N. HOW TO ACT:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f0ae3797-2682-4190-877b-5cdc025818ea
SOUND FAMILIAR?
Are we going to allow this travesty to Canada to continue? Will we repeat the same mistake again?
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.03.08 5:49 pm
Trivia note: Actor Dan Aykroyd’s mother was secretary to Crawford Gordon .
By HARRY S on 08.03.08 12:58 pm
1. Canadians do not want a Liberal Carbon Tax.
I am Canadian and do want a liberal Green Shift Carbon plan.
2. Canadians don’t believe you Liberals will give them an income tax credit.
I am Canadian and believe that Liberals will give me an income tax credit.
3. Canadians, and in particular Quebecers, do not want Dion as prime minister of Canada.
I am Canadian and Native Quebecer and do want Dion as Prime Minister of Canada.
4. Canadians are not ready for an election now but will accept an October 19, 2009 mandatory election date.
I am Canadian and will be ready for an election whenever Mr. Dion decides the time as right.
5. Canadians view Dion as a weak Liberal leader.
I am Canadian and do view Mr. Dion as weak. I am Canadian and do view Mr. Harper as a despicable person.
I am Canadian and am pleased that Mr. Dion has the intelligence to take a well needed rest in order to develop more Canadian oriented plans as opposed to Mr. Harper who never rests from trying to find ways to destroy Canada.
Mr. Harry, please stop pretending to talk for all Canadians, we are more then capable of taling for ourselves.
Bob wrote:
How many people here have actually put their money where their mouth is – - Anybody here that has not contributed is part of the Liberal party’s problem – - That is why your party has got money troubles
~ by BOB 08.02.08 7:32 PM
Simon wrote:
Sadly I don’t believe the poor are enough of a vote-rich segment to have a voice
~ by SIMON 08.03.08 5:10PM
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Bob & Simon, that’s why we all have to try harder to protect those who can’t protect themselves, that is who the Liberals have always stood up for.. PEOPLE… ALL the people.
And now, there will be people who are misled by false information delivered to their mailboxes by Harper. The poor often don’t have the means to arm themselves with all the facts, nor the time, and Harper is eager to exploit that. Harper does not work for “the people”. He only has contempt for them.
Harper has clearly stated that he relies on tricking votes from the “uninformed”. Harper is eager to “uninform” Canadians as much as possible, and as he has stated, in any way he can, [even using their own tax dollars]. He wrote it in a party policy paper that Canadians are “uniformed and apathetic” with instructions for his party members on how to take advantage of that.
In reality, Harper supports faceless corporations, he was the president of the corporate lobby group the NCC. Harper’s funds come heavily from corporations, ensuring he continues to help them get richer. And what happens to the average Canadian.. we get poorer because of it.
Dion supports people, Canadians, our ideals and the planet.
So when Harper rolls in dough, you know it’s corporate money. Do we have a chance against the corporate influence and cheaters?
Canada is being taken advantage of by a well-oiled pawn, backed by big corporate money – Harper.
I hope Canadians haven’t forgotten what our parents told us, that we always have to remain vigilant and work hard to protect ourselves, and others who can’t.
By HARRY S on 08.03.08 12:58 pm
Harry, Harry – you DO NOT speak for all Canadians so quit writing as if you do.
“So, is Bocanut/Harry one in the same? Bocanut spends a lot of time on here….new name, same rhetoric…hmm…
By slg on 08.03.08 6:19 pm ”
I can’t speak for Harry but attempting to point you poor misguided Liberals towards reality is a Herculean task that a mere mortal as myself couldn’t hope to accomplish.
I appreciate any and all help.
WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE CHOOSE OUR POLITICIANS!
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 6:22 pm
AMEN!
I can’t speak for Harry but attempting to point you poor misguided Liberals towards reality is a Herculean task that a mere mortal as myself couldn’t hope to accomplish.
I appreciate any and all help.
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 6:59 pm
I think you are doing a bang up job of exposing the true CPC supporter…please continue…
I’ll consider believing anything you say when you apologize for saying Liberal MPs mailed out a joke about killing PMSH. Liar. — Garth
By Catherine on 08.03.08 6:03 pm
Huh??? Where did I say that? BTW, wasn’t it a Liberal Association that did that? It was a pretty sick joke btw.
So you really, really think that by imposing your Carbon Tax on oil producers and gas refiners WILL NOT pass this new cost of Carbon Tax to the gas at the pumps?
By Catherine on 08.03.08 6:03 pm
Hey Catty Alberta has already done this, with BC, Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec not far behind. That is over 2/3 of our population that are subject to some form of “Carbon tax” as you like to describe it.
Ottawa under Harper is scheduled to come into this process starting next summer with full implementation of their plan by 2010. So far they are talking about a $20 per tonne levy to over 700 corporations that emit more than 100,000 tonnes of CO2 annually.
The new Green Economy is already here complete with legislation and regulation.
The federal government is playing catch up and the Harper government is “screwing it up” by not coming forward with a strong federal plan that provides a level playing field.Instead they are giving jurisdiction to the USA in the form of the Western Govenors’ Climate Initiative of which Ontario,Manitoba, and BC are members of. I believe Quebec is an observer to the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative which is a group from the eastern United States.
The Green Genie is already out of the box Catty it is now just a matter of choosing who will make the rules for us as Canadians-The USA or our own Federal Government. You had better wake-up and smell the GHG’s because without a strong federal plan we are all going to lose!
I’ll consider believing anything you say when you apologize for saying Liberal MPs mailed out a joke about killing PMSH. Liar. — Garth
By Catherine on 08.03.08 6:03 pm
Oh btw, nice try in trying divert from my initial comment. It seems that you can’t even defend your new Carbon Tax.
Apologize, liar. — Garth
By DoryD on 08.03.08 6:48 pm
Well, DoryD … I’m sure that Dion is encouraged by your one Canadian vote, and if you live on Montreal Island, your one vote will be of little value anyway … given that Liberals could run Bernardo as a candidate and still win in ridings like Mont-Royal or Outremont.
Somebody should ask Dion when he visits with Garth in Oakville, why does he overtax gasoline under his Green Shift?!
By HARRY S on 08.03.08 6:40 pm
Please come Harry, would love to meet you and then you could ask Mr. Dion your question…
Harry,
You are Harper.
Canadians, Liberals, and the majority in this country take a balanced view, not left or right. You pretend and yelp lies and accusations of communism – your hype is the age old right wing trick.. but that’s all you’ve got – misleading and fear mongering tactics.
Harper’s wealthiest will get wealthier via his methods. We will be sold out completely via Harper.
Here in Canada, taking care of each other is not some extreme, it’s called being good citizens having commitment and good government, and that’s what Canadians and Liberals stand for. It’s what hard working Canadians do, and the more you show yourself by spewing insults at Canadians, the better for Canadians to see how disgusting Harper is.
Somebody should ask Dion when he visits with Garth in Oakville, why does he overtax gasoline under his Green Shift?!
By HARRY S on 08.03.08 6:40 pm
Someone should ask Harper why he is going to tax Canadian $65 a tonne and not give any tax relief…or he is going to stand by idly while Obama taxes Canadian imported oil at a cost to the Canadian taxpayer…I have, he doesn’t respond to me but maybe you could ask Harry since you are such a staunch supporter of his…oh will you be backing Harper and Bushie when they invade Iran…????
Mr. Harry, please stop pretending to talk for all Canadians, we are more then capable of taling for ourselves.
By DoryD on 08.03.08 6:48 pm
You don’t understand Harry thinks he is the only Canadian, all the rest don’t count….he needs to internalize the words “Beware of too sublime a sense, of your own worth and consequence!”
WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE CHOOSE OUR POLITICIANS!
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 6:22 pm
AMEN!
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.03.08 7:43 pm
May I suggest:
FOR A NEW INDEPENDENT GOVERNMENT IN CANADA
Here is the plan…
1. Each Province and/or Territory is allotted one member of parliament based on their percentage of the population of Canada. For example if Alberta has say 18 % of the population, they get 18 seats. (There will be possibly a few more than 100 seats to accommodate those provinces who have .5 % or more or who might have less than 1% of the population)
Each Province or Territory must have at least one seat.
2. Within each Provincial caucus, the members slated to be in the cabinet will be voted in by the elected members.
3. Each Province and Territory will have one member in Cabinet, the four largest Provinces in population two. (Total 16 members)
4. The Prime Minister will be elected by the 16 members of Cabinet and approved by the Parliament as a whole.
5. Funding for elections will be provided by the federal government and will be limited to the minimal amount necessary. (the amount to be determined by Elections Canada)
No individual or corporate donations will be accepted, the penalty for accepting them will be dismissal from Parliament and a by election will be held in that riding within 60 days.
6. Recall from cabinet can be effected by a vote of 75% of Parliament.
7. Recall from Parliament can be effected by a 60% participation in the form of a petition of the MPs riding.
By Bonnie N BC on 08.03.08 5:57 pm
The separatiste’s objection to M Dion, parcequ’il n’est par pur laine, is akin to an American stating that because you immigrated after 1776 you have no right to say anything about the Constitution.
It is illogical, divisive, bigoted, and very very real.
BTW, these Quebecois are akin to the Albertans who remember the NEP, and about the same proportion of the whole populace.
Create your seduction guide.
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The seniors that I’ve talked to were not happy with the change in the Income Trust legislation but most recognized it was neccessary, since then most have recovered financially because of the fiscally responsible Conservatives. The seniors that you’ve talked to ,were they in the same park as the homeless that the Shawinigan Strangler used to talk to?
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 6:30 pm
Nutz:
Talk to the good doctor and many others here on this site that had their savings decimated by the dog ignorant,fascist,Con-bots .
Obviously you have no brain at all .
““The earth’s temperature hasn’t increased for ten years.” It has on our planet, warren. — Garth”
Er,,Um…You might want to check that out Garth. According to NASA temperature records, the mean temperature of the earth, (that would be OUR plant), has not increased and in fact has decreased since 1998. Unless of course you think that NASA is part of some right-wing conspiracy to deny global warming actually exists.
By tlc on 08.03.08 12:42 pm
Well, guess you learn something new every day, eh Garth? Leasa
Link? — Garth
Did many seniors have their savings “decimated”? Most of the seniors I know have various investments; their houses, stocks, bonds, GICs, etc. Typically it isn’t a good idea to have the bulk of one’s investments in any one area.
That’s not the point – blaming the victims – and you know it. Harper secured many votes by saying he would never tax trusts, then reversed and did exactly that. He shocked investors, shocked markets and decimated an industry, with no discernible positive results to our nation. There is no amount of spinning which will justify this. — Garth
Bocanut: Most seniors do not believe the Income Trust reversal was necessary because it was NOT. No tax leakage as Flaherty asserts. Just another bad fiscal decision by an in-over-his-head finance disaster.
Global warming / cooling — yadda yadda yadda, yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir!
http://tinyurl.com/6gtgmy
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Undoubtedly this is yet another scam which will come across the pond and take more suckers down here.
http://tinyurl.com/6xslfk
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While dubya, like Nero continues to fiddle around where he shouldn’t, Russia quietly gets their operation started.
http://tinyurl.com/6rv56f
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Seems that Gorbachev was more instrumental in Perestroika and Glasnost than was given credit for; also seems that Reagan simply played a back-up role.
http://tinyurl.com/644n4h
Harry: You summed up the Conservative doctrine in one sentence. “There will be winners and losers”. The Cons firmly believe in the survival of the fittest: the fittest being the wealthiest—the poor will be left to fend for themelves.
Thanks Harry for succinctly stating the Conservatives policy of forsaking the poor for the benefit of the rich.
Somebody should ask Dion when he visits with Garth in Oakville, why does he overtax gasoline under his Green Shift?!
By HARRY S on 08.03.08 6:40 pm
Please come Harry, would love to meet you and then you could ask Mr. Dion your question…
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I will cover $100 of Harry S.’s expenses whether s/he comes from Joe Batt’s Arm, Newfoundland or Spuzzum, BC.
Harry, please take me up on the offer. And bring your placard
Separate article on global warming / cooling; sort of goes with the one I posted a little while back.
http://tinyurl.com/5ph5hl
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As if American consumers don’t have enough to deal with, now come new “credit cards” — ones with tiny chips in, and which can never be turned off.
http://tinyurl.com/yb2mr9
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Diff’rent circumstances, roughly the same story.
http://tinyurl.com/6dtf4n
Garth
You might want to tone down the attitude. As a fairly recent arrival I’m still getting a feel for the vibe here and you snotty responses aren’t a good sign.
I didn’t “blame the victim, and you know it. What I said was that anyone who invests a large part of their assets in one investment vehicle, particularly if they do it mostly for tax reasons, is making a bad decision. To suggest that they were “wiped out” is a little rich.
As a “finance guy” I’d hope you know better than to invest the bulk of your savings in one vehicle.
In any case your sssh$t response renders you unworthy of any more response on this thread.
Your comment cheapened the hurt PMSH caused two million people who’d believed him. Stop whining. — Garth
By Judy on 08.03.08 9:41 pm
Harry: You summed up the Conservative doctrine in one sentence. “There will be winners and losers”. The Cons firmly believe in the survival of the fittest: the fittest being the wealthiest—the poor will be left to fend for themelves.
Thanks Harry for succinctly stating the Conservatives policy of forsaking the poor for the benefit of the rich.
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But wasn’t it John McCallum who said there would be ‘winners and losers’ under Dion’s Green Shift..??!!!
Of course, a Liberal federal government won’t feel any pain because it’s designed to be ‘revenue neutral’ for the federal coffers … or is it ..???!!!
Here in Canada, taking care of each other is not some extreme,
and
the better for Canadians to see how disgusting Harper is.
- By Barb the proof-reader
on 08.03.08 8:02 pm
Does anybody else see the contradiction in these statements.
“Link?”-Garth
Is the default here that comments provide a link to the info supporting what was said? Sounds like a good idea.
Thanks Harry for succinctly stating the Conservatives policy of forsaking the poor for the benefit of the rich.
By Judy on 08.03.08 9:41 pm
Excellent !
FOR A NEW INDEPENDENT GOVERNMENT IN CANADA
Here is the plan…
By wjp on 08.03.08 8:14 pm
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WJP (Whiskey Juliette Papa) You have not addressed what to do with political parties in your plan. Failing to allow them would be a sure way to alienate a significant portion of the population and thus failure at time of a ratification. People like to identify with a group or set of ideals, hence my suggestion for the Primary Election System which would foster the inclusion rather than the rejection of part of the public. We need greater participation by more of the citizens, not less like Harper is promoting by his sniping and smearing! The next Federal Election could be lost by public rejection of the process because of the ugliness and depravity of the less principled. It is one thing to win by a superior sales job, but it is another thing to lose due to lack of attendance!
Keep Canada proud to be a fully committed democracy and vote for the least evil bastard on the ticket!
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Don Bool:
Typical Liberal creepiness,perhaps you should check out the gay online sites if your looking for a date.
“That’s not the point – blaming the victims – and you know it. Harper secured many votes by saying he would never tax trusts, then reversed and did exactly that. He shocked investors, shocked markets and decimated an industry, with no discernible positive results to our nation. There is no amount of spinning which will justify this. — Garth ”
It seems to me that Dion announced last year that the Liberals would never propose a Carbon Tax.
The difference is that the Conservatives changed the Income Trust policy for the betterment of all Canadians while the Libs have changed their mind for the betterment of the party, much like they did when they stole millions fron the Canadian taxpayer through Adscam.
TS:
You read the part where I said I voted for a Liberal, right? So how am I a “Harper” guy? I’ve made it clear 100 times over on this forum that I dislike Stephen Harper. Thing is, you’re so brainwashed you think that anyone against the Liberals is obviously a Harper support. And I say different. I think they both suck. I think for myself.
As for the dude that said Ontario buys Alberta oil. Ontario imports it’s oil from outside of Canada.
PS, for all your whiners that support the carbon tax, you’re talking to a guy with geothermal heating, wind power and a “Smart” car. I support and believe in Pickensplan.com. I don’t believe in Stephan Dion. I don’t believe in Harper
If you want to change the world, you’ll do it yourself. You don’t need a green tax. I don’t need the government to save my ass or my planet. I can do it myself. All you “environmental” types are rubbish. No doubt the SUV is parked in the suburban home heated by a furnace, and you feel good cause you recycled a few newspapers. Please, whatever
Change comes from people, not losers in power. I am..more green than you.
Stephen Harper: “When Ralph Goodale tried to tax Income Trusts … don’t forget, don’t forget this …they showed us where they stood. They showed us about their attitudes towards raiding seniors hard earned assets and a Conservative government will never allow either of these parties to get away with that” Stephen Harper on Global TV, December 02, 2005
Fret none or very little, my aunties in Alberta won’t be forgetting Stephen Harper’s broken promise any time soon.
They may be much poorer, and they may be looking at a bleaker future, but they know their way around an election booth and ballot, and they’re set to give Stephen Harper something he won’t soon forget.
I’ll consider believing anything you say when you apologize for saying Liberal MPs mailed out a joke about killing PMSH. Liar. — Garth
By Catherine on 08.03.08 6:03 pm
Oh btw, nice try in trying divert from my initial comment. It seems that you can’t even defend your new Carbon Tax.
Apologize, liar. — Garth
By Catherine on 08.03.08 8:00 pm
Right on, Mr. Turner! Give the liar no quarter!
That reminds me… when will MP Guergis get her military comeuppance ragarding ratting out HRM Loyal Opposition and Deputy Leader to the Taliban? Will this obvious ploy to have Canadians killed for political reasons be overlooked by the Military even if the Canadian government under Harper seems to condone it?
Bill-Muskoka: I may not always agree with your point of view but I like the way you present your arguments in a logical and usually unemotional manner.
Now, on to AdScam. Yes, nobody was charged but then again nobody ever is charged. And, yes, it was a few renegades who committed this act. However, they were flying under the Liberal banner at the time. Furthermore, if one Conservative does something bad, posters on this site blame the entire party and the PM. So, which is it? A renegade or two or the entire party? As for the magnitude, yes, it does count. However, an act of misuse is an act of misuse, no matter the amount and says something about the amount of trust which is warranted.
As a Canadian, I do not put much faith in any of these inquiries because they are government-appointed people who are paid way too much money for what they do. The output from these inquiries must be taken with a huge grain of salt because the panel members certainly will not be inclined to bite the hand which is feeding them.
I am inclined to trust Dion even though I have never met him in person simply because he seems to be, as yet, untouched by the hunger for power which seems to eventually infect even the most honest and sincere politician. However, because I do not personally know the man, I can’t be sure that it is genuine or simply a very good facade. So many have deceived us that I am wary of anything which comes out of a politician’s mouth.
I would really love to see a political leader stand up and say something along the lines of: my predecessors were not honest with you but I promise to be open and honest with you. I promise to not break any promises”. And then, I’d like to see that leader actually follow through.
I had great hope for Paul Martin because he is intelligent and well-meaning. However, the Chretien followers did such a number on him. He went from being an assured and decisive Minister to the most wishy-washy PM that I have ever known (since Joe Clark). I don’t know what happened but I truly believe that Chretien’s followers sabotaged his term as PM. And as far as registering his ships under foreign flags, that disappointed me incredibly. After Gagliano, Radwanski and Dingwall, I expected better from Martin. I admired him and had a great deal of respect for him. After that, my respect began to diminish and then his dithering blew it even more. Sadly disappointed because he could have been a great PM had he had support from within.
Canadians liked him, his term as Finance Minister (although I don’t agree with everything he did) was successful, and think about it, he’s a successful business man. He had it all and for some reason, allowed it to slip away.
We seem to always forget what a creep Chretien really was. Talk about a control freak. I never liked him and was always replulsed by his little guy from Shawinigan shtick. Who did he think he was fooling?
You are all just sitting back, waiting………
By Bob on 08.02.08 7:32 pm
Waiting for what, Bob?
Do I detect a little fear? Are you getting a bit of cabin-fever waiting for what happens next? Have you no plan? Figures.
It’s Harper’s ship. He’s the captain, tied himself to the fixed election date mast, now finds himself hoist on his own petard. Pity.
NOT!
Bail, bail, bail your boat, try to get to shore.
Merrily merrily merrily your government’s a bore.
Row row row that boat, row until you scream.
Davey Jones will have your bones and Harper’s but a dream.
He’ll lash your backs and grease your cracks and lift away your hair.
You’ll row for your life while he rips off your wife and your children and won’t care.
He’ll toss you off the boat of the lost, then walk upon your bare backs and cracks with the treasure you were all to share.
You’ll piss and moan, your parents will groan, and despair and hunger you will share.
While Harper sups on your purses and pups and gives you but a glare.
And that’s what you get when you let
your greed beget a monster such as he.
But I’ve got a vote, he can’t call me by rote, and so I am free and not thee.
Davy Jones will eat Harper bones and laugh aloud with glee.
There is no honour among thieves.
By Catherine on 08.03.08 6:03 pm
And Harper’s plan is $65 a tonne with no tax relief…or allowing the U.S. to place a tax on imports from Canada and having Canadian’s tax dollars go into the U.S. Treasury.
By wjp on 08.03.08 6:19 pm
So are you saying that the increase costs we have seen on energy and gasoline upto now, will be offset by the Liberal’s Carbon Tax scheme? If you do, I am truly sorry for your delusion.
The seniors that I’ve talked to were not happy with the change in the Income Trust legislation but most recognized it was neccessary, since then most have recovered financially because of the fiscally responsible Conservatives.
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 6:30 pm
All-consuming interests and major attribute:
LYING BASTARD!
If not the demented Rob Anders, probably a close personal friend.
Hello Garth, I didn’t post the info, but I was curious so I looked for the link you requested. Wow! Talk about finding controversy. Simply google ‘NASA temperature records’. From what I can gather, NASA had to make some changes to the data, one person who is a hard-core-Gore man perhaps fudged the numbers. Anyway here is a snippet of what’s out there (both sides of the fence use the numbers to say what they want).
…Four of the 10 warmest years on record are now acknowledged to have occurred when human production of CO2 was minimal, in the 1930s. The past decade now includes only three of the 10 warmest years. Will Gore withdraw “An Inconvenient Truth” pending necessary corrections?
A second “proof” of human CO2-caused warming, according to the U.N.’s IPCC, was a claimed increase in global temperatures of about 1°F over 130 years. This was asserted to be outside natural variability. But the uncertainty in the measurements was more than ±0.3°F, meaning possible values could vary by as much as 66 percent of the total change.
The source of this temperature calculation, University of East Anglia’s Professor Phil Jones, has refused to disclose which temperature records were used and how he “adjusted” them. Clearly, the IPCC’s conclusions must be viewed with considerable suspicion until they provide full disclosure on the Jones data….
Leasa
Er,,Um … You might want to check that out Garth. According to NASA temperature records, the mean temperature of the earth, (that would be OUR plant), has not increased and in fact has decreased since 1998. Unless of course you think that NASA is part of some right-wing conspiracy to deny global warming actually exists.
By tlc on 08.03.08 12:42 pm
Well, guess you learn something new every day, eh Garth? Leasa
Link? — Garth
By Leasa on 08.03.08 9:18 pm
It’s nice to be able to throw out the butterfly net among a sub-human mentality to capture at least TWO pretty dumb f’ers. We now provide a format [for pdf'ers of course]
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.pdf
Please view the plotline … Leasa should maybe continue to look after bovine scatterings … if and when she captures that cow who loves her so deeply.
To track global warming, ONE WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE TO PLOT SURFACE TEMPERATURES … NOT TEMPERATURES TAKEN 9 TO 14 MILES IN THE ATMOSPHERE.
One conclusion: Arctic Warmth
“The map reveals that the greatest warming has been in the Arctic and neighboring high latitude regions. Polar amplification is an expected characteristic of global warming, as the loss of ice and snow engenders a positive feedback via increased absorption of sunlight. The large Arctic warm anomaly of 2007 is consistent with observed record low Arctic sea ice cover in September 2007.
Um … Er I think tlc and Leasa have asses under their hats … If they don’t wear hats, then they both reside at and in the 7th portal. Track outward from earth naming each of the planets, to discover where tlc and Leasa live.
Has the trendline got a finger on the end of it Leasa?
By Charles Oxley on 08.03.08 9:38
Charles, I want to personally thank you for your coverage of the Pope/Rabbi debate. I thought it was a true indication of where that type of dialoque should begin and end. Besides which it was funny as hell to boot!
One a day to keep the voters at bay. Just another CRAP gaffe.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/08/03/harper-apology.html
Trivia note: Actor Dan Aykroyd’s mother was secretary to Crawford Gordon .
By Men With Hats on 08.03.08 6:46 pm
Eyebrow raised in Spock like fashion! ‘Fascinating!’
Another aspect of such ferry crossings is it gives truckers a rest break that they can log off during the voyage. Properly presented and financed, this is a win /win for everybody. Maybe the Feds should just sell these harbors to either the Province or the local municipalities who can see a positive proposition. This retired trucker would have used both of these crossing many times in the past if they had been available. I used the Sombra to Marine City crossing when the need and justification was valid, too, when Sarnia/Port Huron was plugged up!
Energy conservation need not be rocket science, it is some times just a case of finding a way to lay down in the bunk safely if the opportunity is available!
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 3:28 pm
Use of our waterways makes a lot of sense to me too. I witnessed it in Switzerland…people taking a commuter boat to Zurich. What a relaxing ride. They were reading the paper, enjoying the scenery…and their one ticket was for the boat, and any bus or train they needed to take once they disembarked…and the bus and train were within walking distance. Brilliant.
Good post btw.
Bocanut: Most seniors do not believe the Income Trust reversal was necessary because it was NOT. No tax leakage as Flaherty asserts. Just another bad fiscal decision by an in-over-his-head finance disaster.
By Judy on 08.03.08 9:28 pm
Check BocaNUT signs on ass and elbow to gain assurance that what you say is correct.
http://www.deloitte.com/dtt/article/0,1002,sid=3634&cid=177044,00.html?W…
The HOLLOWING OUT information provided by Brent Fullard and CAITI reaches the same conclusions. Diane Francis has also argued long and strenuously in the same vein. G-A-W-D, what’s that smell? Flim-Flam Dim-Jim Flaherty just walked by.
We should emphasize BocaNUT’S personal hollowing out occurred at birth when he acquired the prideful trait of S 4 B … Clue 4=for, B=brains and you can figure out the S. Notwithstanding, it’s a trait all C.R.A.P./S.H.I.T.s proudly exhibit.
The seniors that I’ve talked to were not happy with the change in the Income Trust legislation but most recognized it was neccessary, since then most have recovered financially because of the fiscally responsible Conservatives. The seniors that you’ve talked to ,were they in the same park as the homeless that the Shawinigan Strangler used to talk to?
By Bocanut on 08.03.08 6:30 pm
You are so full of BS it’s laughable. Ya, right, there are seniors out there that are happy to lose thousands of dollars – uh, huh.
Liar is what you are.
Oh, and your rants are going to change people’s minds – get over yourself you fool. Unbelievable nonsense coming from you – go out and play for a while, the sunshine will do you good.
You’re so twisted you don’t even know how dumb you come across. LOL
So are you saying that the increase costs we have seen on energy and gasoline upto now, will be offset by the Liberal’s Carbon Tax scheme? If you do, I am truly sorry for your delusion.
By Catherine on 08.04.08 4:59 am
No what I am saying is the costs yet to come under either the Harper plan $65 a tonne or the no plan, a carbon tax by the U.S. on oil imports will give absolutely no tax relief to Canadians, and yet the cost of both these taxes will be passed on to Canadians. So you support Harper’s plan or no plan and get nothing but more expense, at leats with Dion’s plan, you may get something back to absorb these costs. Mark my words, there will be a tax regardless. You want Harper, you got him! Me, I prefer an independent candidate who will represent me in Ottawa. We do not have that now with either party.
“Ah TS, Irvine says he voted for Dave Taylor and so did I as a matter of fact.
By Ron p on 08.03.08 12:30 pm”
Yes, that is what he claims. Postings on Garth’s blog by neoCon bobbleheads are notoriously stupid… as was the post in question. Whether he actually voted for Taylor or not, the ignorance of his posting qualifies him to be a Harper supporter.
Keep Canada proud to be a fully committed democracy and vote for the least evil bastard on the ticket!
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 11:34 pm
What I am attempting to do is restore democracy in Canada, if you believe democracy is voting in an MP from any party, having him/her go to Ottawa, then be told how to vote by the party leader, then we have very different views of democracy.
For the intelligent folks on this blog (that excludes Leasa, Catherine, Harry S., and a few others) you may find the attached link very instructive.
Contrary to the lies and bullshit posted by Leasa, there is significant information posted on the NASA site about the reality of global warming.
Here is a quote from the Goddard Space Flight Centre web site:
“Because of a rapid warming trend over the past 30 years, the Earth is now reaching and passing through the warmest levels seen in the last 12,000 years. This color-coded map shows a progression of changing global surface temperatures from 1880 to 2006, the warmest ranked year on record.”
This link will take you to colour coded maps showing the incredible ramp up in global warming over the past number of years:
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003300/a003375/
Since Leasa, Catherine and Harry S., and the other climate change deniers on the site probably will need help interpretting the maps…..here is a clue “RED ON THE MAPS IS BAD”.
DEFINE ‘CASCADE EFFECT’ FOR FLAHERTY QUICKLY
The Last Government Rescue
Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D. 08-04-08
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/Issues.aspx?NewsletterEntryId=2046
Question to The Hon. Garth
When will the KATZENJAMMER KIDS, led by DER FUBAR, hold public gatherings to address UNEMPLOYMENT, GLOBAL WARMING, INCOME TRUSTS [probably have to wait til Halloween 2106 for that] and OTHER PRESSING NATIONAL ISSUES?
Pyotr
I think you could be a writer for Mike Myers’ movies. I love your intelligent, crazy humor. You are the icing on the cake for this blog.
Thanks for your sharing your knowledge and humor. I spend lots of time rolling on the floor laughing at some of your posts:>)
I learn lots as well.
I appreciate you.
So are you saying that the increase costs we have seen on energy and gasoline upto now, will be offset by the Liberal’s Carbon Tax scheme? If you do, I am truly sorry for your delusion.
By Catherine on 08.04.08 4:59 am
He’s saying that there are cost increases to COME. $65 a tonne under Harper, $40 a tonne under Dion. However, only Dion is going to offset that with income tax cuts. It’s not that hard to understand – but you have to let go of your blind partisanship to see it.
By eastofeden on 08.04.08 4:28 am
We think very much alike. PMJC was one I admired, but that was due to being from the States where Presidents never would say one damn thing without checking their handlers first. I found JC’s candor very refreshing.
Then came Gomery and I saw a side of him that totally disgusted me, especially the arrogant ‘golf ball’ testimony. That was a Court of Law and by God he dissed it BIG TIME! I do not understand why the Liberals even allow JC in their midst at this point. It is not because of AdScam which he has yet to be directly indicted on, but because of his arrogant attitude reading the entire matter. He does have a good sense of humour which is a trait Harper completely lacks.
I admired Paul Martin as well. His nationally televised speech regarding AdScam won many points with me.
Dion has great potential but carries the liability of being from Quebec. The Quebecois hate him because he changed his position regarding separation. That took courage and integrity for the preservation of Canada.
What turns me off was his conduct the past two years with NOT bringing down the Harper government. I also am not sold, nor do I support his Green Shift plan. I believe the real answer is tough environmental laws steadily enforced including prison time and forefeiture of assets by CEO’s and CFO’s who willfully pollute our environment. No CLub Fed time either. I want to see them out there in the crap they polluted our environment with cleaning it up. I have worked in that field and believe me it is no joy wearing a Class ‘A’ full environmental HazMat suit. When you go to take a sample of a barrel of hazardous waste and your inert glove starts smoking, then dissolving, you realize just how horribly toxic some of the waste is. It is no laughing matter.
As to who should we have? I like Bob Rae for his maturity. I do not trust nor like Ignatieff.
Likewise, I look at the individual, not the party, if that individual is not exercising their freedom as an individual and has become merely a wall flower for the party they will never have my support. That is NOT democracy. That is mindlessness and it is contrary to everything true democracy stands for.
A canduidate must be able to connect with the people, and me personally to even have a chance of having my precious vote, and I do hold it as a precious thing. I will vote for the person I believe in, not a party. To do so is to betray my obligation as a believer in the democratic process.
As to the conduct in the HoC by the CPC members I find it reprehensible beyond words other than outright childishness and complete disgust.
I sincerely hope Elizabeth May wins her riding over MacKay. She is highly intelligent, genuine, and will be a great asset to the HoC. I cannot say the same for some Green candidates, especially Frank de Jong who heads the Ontario Greens. He is a former Greenpeacer and I have ZERO use for Greenpeace’s militant actions and tactics. Ironically so does the original founder of Greenpeace.
When I immigrated to Canada back in the mid 1990’s I watched and listened to Preston Manning and Stockwell Day. My immediate thoughts were ‘DANGEROUS’ and clones of the American Republican Far Religious Right movement. I have been proven quite correct in my assessment.
These sorts basically destroyed the United States over the past two decades. They have no capacity for compassion for the less fortunate, want a theocracy, and will do anything to achieve their goals, including disbanning the Constitution. They are as dangerous as the Nazis were during WWII, and the similarities are too clear to ignore.
They use FUD as their Weapon of Mass Deception (the true WMD’s) and like Goebbels are masters at it.
BTW, I have been a Democrat, Republican (elected as a Precinct Committeeman actually), and Libertarian over the course of my lifetime. I support principles that transcend partisan politics, and if I see a candidate who does the same they get my support. The party machines are a convenience leftover from the old days when we had no instant communications capability. We should do as the NWT does and make elections non partisan and the PM chosen from the best of the winners. The U.S. is no better BTW with their antique Electoral College, a hangover from the Pony Express days.
Harper is a fraud, a liar, and IMO a sociopathic narcissist. Very dangerous, as are his ardent followers.
We should be voting for the candidate, but Canadians have long chosen based on the party leader. That is both extremely lazy and undemocratic IMO.
I love this great nation, but fear we are close to the brink and we had better get tough and wakeup NOW by demanding real quality of leadership and candidates. Ignorance of the issues leads to slavery. This Canadian will not play that game.
crazy humor
By Bonnie L on 08.04.08 9:48 am
Thankyou very much … However, here at Penetanguishene which is a ‘rest stop’ for the criminally insane, my onliest sal[I]vation is watching the kid on the tryke chasing the inmates down the shiny, broad, expansive hallways.
There are many more here, obviously more gifted than I, with whom it is a deep privilege to share thoughts. I expect the August 20 meeting will be over subscribed, and I’ll have a chance to meet most of these fine people. I regret, due to your location in Lotusland, you will not be able to attend. I am sure there will be an absolute abundance of cameras and audio equipment there to record events.
Meantime … Catch you later at the hotel.
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NONE OF IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE HON. GARTH.
give it up, Garth
the God botherers have your number.
Quite an overview of your thoughts Bill, we were fortunate to have JC and he should not be judged on his goof ball incident, after all he was a show-man. Paul Martin is a true Canadian but perhaps just too honest to be a leader. There are of course many who can either praise or find fault, but this I agree on, Stephen Harper and his early Reformers had and still maintain a “Hidden Agenda” in the process to turn Canada into the “North Wing”. The West is very much influence by the American Mid West(Cowboy Country) all couched in deep leather backed oil rich chairs. Harper goals of course are very personal, and that is most dangerous for all who surround him’ Politics is a deadly game when ultimate control is the key to power. We have seen but only glimpse of the dark side of PMSH, Canadians should pay attention not only to the words of Garth Turner but watch very closely the shift in Steve’s eyes when he is challenged with the truth.( ie: Canadian’s are screwed) It would take many more words to paint the picture of destruction this man has already caused in Canada and beyond, but Paul Martin expressed it correctly when he stated: Stephen Harper’s Canada is much different than his. We can only hope that a good portion of the 36% ers have been enlightened to the fact that Stephen Harper’s ultimate quest for a Kingdom to which he can stand on his self appointed throne and state he has been given a mandate to make Canada over in the image of Washington’s NeoConservative is best for all, casting aside all the values and principles many Canadians worked long and hard to achieve. This we know: Stephane Dion is man who will listen, not a tin pot to stand on to dictate as PMSH has demonstrated time and time again.
I love this great nation, but fear we are close to the brink and we had better get tough and wakeup NOW by demanding real quality of leadership and candidates. Ignorance of the issues leads to slavery. This Canadian will not play that game.
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 10:23 am
YOUR SENTIMENTS ARE SHARED WITH A FANATICISM THAT MAY WELL ASTOUND YOU
Meanwhile, a moment of recognition for one who truly met the definition BRAVE HEART.
Russian writer Solzhenitsyn dies of heart failure
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2008/08/03/obit-solzhenitsyn.html
Happy Birthday BC
150 years ago BC became a province and the governor was asked to step down over a breaking scandal.
MacD was asked to step down in his first term as our first PM in the face of corruption charges
We`ve come a long way baby, rock on
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Leasa, Angus beef is considered a top cut due to the finest of the meat grain which is genetic. Marbling is a product of how and what you feed.
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Children, it`s not nice to call Leasa a liar over a few hundreds of a degree, especially when it`s based on an estimate.
Based on estimates by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies , 2005 was the warmest year since reliable, widespread instrumental measurements became available in the late 1800s, exceeding the previous record set in 1998 by a few hundredths of a degree.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 10:47 am
Memories? LMAO! Sorry Pyotr, I couldn’t resist!
Meds Nurse!
Bath Time
A good friend to have
Despite all the efforts of the GW Deniers science remains.
Carbon Dioxide and how it works to trap heat in the Earth’s atmosphere.
Man emits CO2, and in very large quantities. Therefore, mankind is a major contributor of GHG’s and Climate Chnage caused by Global Warming.
The oceans are the real key, but that would be too technical for most to grasp. Just wait!
Tories now think they can reach October 2009, Dion told to cool it
Libs looked at PM’s election rallying cry caucus retreat in Quebec City last week and saw bad news for their own party.
By Angelo Persichilli – The Hill Times, August 4th, 2008
TORONTO—Despite the dare and double dare election hysteria unfolding in recent weeks, Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion has been advised to cool his summertime desire for an early fall election and postpone his encounter with voters and the Conservatives believe Dion will heed the advice.
One top Conservative strategist told The Hill Times last week that “now, more than ever, we believe our minority government will reach the end of the legislature.”
Conservative strategists apparently believe that the Liberals will back down, again, “and–even if they dare, we are not sure the Bloc will follow them,” said one Tory source.
Obviously, everything is possible in this volatile federal political environment.
But the Liberals will most likely make their decision during Dion’s meeting of stop strategists at Stornoway, his official residence in Ottawa, on Aug. 12, but the desire for an election doesn’t have many takers inside the federal Liberal Party right now.
The show put on by the Conservatives last Wednesday night in Saint-Agapit, Que., with the electoral-style rally organized during the national caucus meeting has left some marks within the Liberal strategists.
One of them told The Hill Times that “the rally tells us that they are ready to go and we are not.” The strategist admitted that “Mr. Harper was of course in a friendly crowd, but we have to consider that he was in Quebec. For the Conservatives to put 2,000 people in the same room in Quebec is bad news for the Liberals.”
So, while the Conservatives have prepared their strategy for the fall, the one for the Liberals is still up in the air.
This week Dion is on holiday and next week he has the meeting with top strategists to set the course for the following months.
Unfortunately for Dion his problems are numerous and complicated. There is still quite a bit of disagreement on the most important part of his electoral platforms, the Green Shift, or carbon tax, and the party has financial, fundraising, and organization problems.
More at:
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=2008/august/4/tories_2009/&c=2
Intelligent observers of the Canadian federal political scene will conclude that Dion will not be Liberal leader much longer.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 10:47 am
Pyotr
There’s two Bonnies on this site. “Bonnie L” I think is in Ontario. Are you going “Bonnie L”???
Me “Bonnie N BC” I’m the lotuslander.
I agree with BL – I love your humourous posts. Would you consider asking my two specific questions for M. Dion?
I posted them yesterday and had no takers….
Tell M. Dion I’ll contribute to his leadership fund my $ 100 carbon offset cheque from Gordie Campbell if I get clarification or at least a wink that it’s in the platform.
“exceeding the previous record set in 1998 by a few hundredths of a degree”
It seems kind of silly to be arguing over a few hundreds.
Last year I tussled with Garth over his projection that interest rates would do in the economy. i suggested it would be far more likely inflation would be the culprit given the continuing decline in consumer spending power. Inflation marches on while the consumers can little afford much of a rise in rates.
Last year I said cash is good, those who converted to cash last fall, like Garth, are still not in danger of going down with the economy. I warned several times over the last year our economy is on thin ice,,, the melt is on.
Perhaps that isn`t enough to convince anyone that international investors put Canada down near the bottom of the list, perhaps not, but as individuals you are free to follow any path you choose including any promises our political parties make.
Our children do not have that luxury. Personally I have no interest in anyone taking stock in my economic forecasts but the lack of understanding (denial)about what the next generation faces truly boggles my mind.
Like economic conditions I have warned about our youth. The results have come out in Vancouver. They are of far more significance than a few hundreds of a degree. There are already tens of thousands of us that know what Vancouver faces as we`ve been predicting the outcomes. It is spreading across Canada.
When all the political parties are playing the same game with our childrens future, distract, dismiss, deny, the obvious choice to more and more Cdns is `none of the above`.
Not another tax, not a distraction from the root cause of crime with a motto of tough on crime and certainly not a promise that the next government will respect the rule of law.
you did it to yourself
no justice, no investment
CPC BASH ATTACK CONTINUES:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=237ba79a-dce2-4e34-b473-e2b1acf3f1bb
UNFORTUNATELY ALL IT DOES IS ALLIENATE MANY VOTERS…KEEP IT UP….LMAO
“May I suggest:
FOR A NEW INDEPENDENT GOVERNMENT IN CANADA
Here is the plan…
1. Each Province and/or Territory is allotted one member of parliament based on their percentage of the population of Canada. For example if Alberta has say 18 % of the population, they get 18 seats. (There will be possibly a few more than 100 seats to accommodate those provinces who have .5 % or more or who might have less than 1% of the population)
Each Province or Territory must have at least one seat.
2. Within each Provincial caucus, the members slated to be in the cabinet will be voted in by the elected members.
3. Each Province and Territory will have one member in Cabinet, the four largest Provinces in population two. (Total 16 members)
4. The Prime Minister will be elected by the 16 members of Cabinet and approved by the Parliament as a whole.
5. Funding for elections will be provided by the federal government and will be limited to the minimal amount necessary. (the amount to be determined by Elections Canada)
No individual or corporate donations will be accepted, the penalty for accepting them will be dismissal from Parliament and a by election will be held in that riding within 60 days.
6. Recall from cabinet can be effected by a vote of 75% of Parliament.
7. Recall from Parliament can be effected by a 60% participation in the form of a petition of the MPs riding.
By wjp on 08.03.08 8:14 pm ”
wjp:
If you spent more than a couple of minutes thinking through your ridiculous socialist pie-in-the-sky political theory then it was time wasted that you’ll never get back.
What a total pant load.
Perhaps you’ve been sitting in the sun too long?
Garth,
More communication advice if you’ll take it.
Lots of Harrisites have joined Harper’s inner circle recently. So, I can only imagine that Harper will want to incorporate some of the tactics that dominated the “common sense revolution”, election campaign of 1995.
Do you recall that campaign? If anybody remembers anything about that election or Harris himself, it is that one slogan. Why? Because it was brilliantly marketed into the dominant theme of that campaign. The people who designed that campaign are now working for Harper.
Harper has and will continue to pursue the road of manipulation over honest debate. In the 1995 election campaign, Harris’s communications manipulators were extremely successful in controlling the overall direction and pace of that campaign; and so I think it is important that liberal communicators review what was done in that election and to have an aggressive, not defense, campaign of its own to combat Harris era tactics.
Harper will play dirty….we have seen that already.
The Liberals should make the “green shift”, the issue of the campaign. Within the “green shift” try to introduce it in bits and pieces at a pace that media pundits can digest and explain to the public. For example:
Monday, explain how the green shift will cut $10 billion from income taxes on companies and working people. New taxes will be placed on carbon based fuels to make up for the lost federal revenue. In conclusion, if you pollute less, you pay less tax.
Tuesday – Today we will explain where you federal tax dollars go and how we plan to change the current structure……etc. (the other day I saw a brilliant graph that demonstrated this)
Wednesday – Every province will be treated fairly.
Thursday – and so on….
At the end of the day, everybody should be talking about the “green shift”, there will be other policies but they should be relegated to background noise.
Canadians like big ideas and are not afraid of progressive change. Examples are many: In 1982 Trudeau introduced the Charter which was hugely popular; in 1988 Mulroney fought and won the Free Trade election: 1993 Chretien promised to balance the budget; 2006 same-sex marriage; 2008 “the green shift”.
A bientot Monsieur Turner.
Daryn
BILL-MUSKOKA 10:23am
I agree totally with most of your post. I too have voted for every party except Alliance including the Rhinos one year in disgust over the other offerings. Basically I choose first the candidate that listens rather than telling me what they will do for me then unless it is an election like the next one where I vote ABC I look at the party platform and if I can live with it then I figure at least my voice will be heard if I disagree with somethng they do.
I agree that parties are making themselves irrelevent especially with the present government having two throne speeches already and in need of another one because they are afraid to put their real agenda on the table. The only way I can see to make them relevent again would be a requirement to have a 25 year plan updated every 5 years available at all times with a comprehemsive 5 year outline how they will get to their objectives updated yearly to reflect changing conditions. This would require only one throne speech per election and voters can see at a glance what each party trully stands for. Also some sort of recall mechanism needs to be put in place if an elected government starts going in a different path just like Harper from what they say they will do.
Bill, just like many others here you see some grass over the fence that is greener. The gov’ts in Nwt and Nunavut are based on a first nations model that works well if the edge of your world is the edge of your village. At the territorial level it has been less than successful with both territories bankrupt or nearly so because there is no long term plan they are following because it takes consensis for even the smallest decision. There was a couple of articles in the MSM on Yukon first nations last week outlining successes and disagreements happening today. Because I am more familiar with them I can tell you that they are built more and more along party lines because they operate mostly on family lines which are probably even stronger with dissagreements louder and more forceful than anything we are used to. Now take this model to the national level and you can see why it ocurs nowhere on this planet let alone dealing internationaly.
A constant arguement in the Yukon is getting rid of the party system but warts and all we are lurching forward. With devolution we now are responsible ourselves for any future mining disasters. The first mine under those rules is opening and with first nations strong imput they were told to increase the bond for cleanup at the end from 3 million to 21 million with yearly reviews to ensure that there is enough or if they clean as they go then it could be reduced over time. They will also have to agree to over 150 recomendations to get their licence. A couple of hundred kms away is the abandoned mine site at Faro which is Canadas worst with several billion dollars of cleanup needed and the constant threat of wiping out the Pelly river and ultimately the Yukon river including most of our salmon runs. Lead dust coats an area of over 50 square kms. which makes wildlife a crapshoot to eat.
Bill, here is one to chew over. What if we had a party of independents where registered candidates have the same rights and privilages as regular party members. They could run unlimited candidates in any given riding and would provide a local voice similar to the Bloc. At the very least the bigger parties would have listen closer to local needs or face a parliament full of independents to woo every time there is a vote. I am sure if this ever happened some of the main stream parties would have to change their underwear real quick!!!!
One enormous difference between the so-called Adscam and the Income Trusts debacle .
No Canadian’s personally lost money on Adscam .
Millions of Canadians were affected by Harpo’s flagrant lie .
This alone will cost them twenty five or thirty seats . Mark my words .
Seniors are still furious over having their savings annihilated by Harpo .
Don’t believe me . Ask the board that question and see what kind of responses you get .
It matters not whether they had one oer cent of their portfolios in IT’s or one hundred per cent .
The fact remains that the Con-bot idiocy
demolished the entire market .
Intelligent observers of the Canadian federal political scene will conclude that Dion will not be Liberal leader much longer.
By HARRY S on 08.04.08 12:11 pm
SPECULATION not supported by anything other than conjecture. I notice Blair Wilson’s problem occupied more than half of the ‘piece.’ 545 vs 918
You get Der Fubar to do his damned job.
When will the KATZENJAMMER KIDS, led by DER FUBAR, hold public gatherings to address UNEMPLOYMENT, GLOBAL WARMING, INCOME TRUSTS [probably have to wait til Halloween 2106 for that] and OTHER PRESSING NATIONAL ISSUES?
WE ALL KNOW HE HAS NO PLAN
You claim to be an ‘insider’ Harry S. but that’s only because your head occasionally pops out of your ass.
Intelligent observers of the Canadian federal political scene will conclude that Dion will not be Liberal leader much longer.
By HARRY S on 08.04.08 12:11 pm
And what would an infantile thinker like you Harry observe?
“We should emphasize BocaNUT’S personal hollowing out occurred at birth when he acquired the prideful trait of S 4 B … Clue 4=for, B=brains and you can figure out the S. Notwithstanding, it’s a trait all C.R.A.P./S.H.I.T.s proudly exhibit.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 8:30 am”
Such wit and wisdom and so early in the morning too!
Using the royal “we” was a nice touch.
Was it neccesary to give your fans that many clues?
Can’t you credit your fellow Liberals with at least an iota of intelligence or do you feel you that your fans are too ignorant to figure out themselves the subtleties of your attempts at humour?
Talking down to your fan base will ensure that you remain a legend only in your mind.
By got rope? on 08.04.08 12:18 pm
I think you should be helping Leasa provide a good home for her wandering cow. Strange, how your words do not agree with those of northerners in both Alaska and Canada’s northern territories. Where is your supporting link BTW?
You are a waste of time GR.
By got rope? on 08.04.08 12:18 pm
I think you should be helping Leasa provide a good home for her wandering cow. Strange, how your words do not agree with those of northerners in both Alaska and Canada’s northern territories. Where is your supporting link BTW?
You are a waste of time GR.
unfortunately, for the CPC alienating voters is a step in the right direction.
Con-bots get no traction on “Green Shift”
The weakling Con-bot party has gotten no movement in the polls since launching negative ads about the Liberal environment plan .
Statistically tied they are now trying their bullshit tactics in Atlantic Canada .Targetting Scott Brison’s riding and a couple of others .
Canadian’s are sick tired and fed up with all the negativity being shovelled by the Con-bots .
Harpo and his minions have fallen into the Liberal trap with no chance of escape .
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 10:47 am
Memories? LMAO! Sorry Pyotr, I couldn’t resist!
Meds Nurse!
Bath Time
A good friend to have
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 11:53 am
Thanks Bill, those 3 are keepers.
My motto is; I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
I have more than a few native friends who worked with me in the military.I haven’t asked them … I’m quite sure none would volunteer to smother me with a pillow.
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 1:12 pm
That’s right BocaNUT … I take full credit for informing my ‘friends’ here.
You can always in a common cause circlejerk with your friends here.
CPC BASH ATTACK CONTINUES:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=237ba79a-dce2-4e34-b473-e2b1acf3f1bb
UNFORTUNATELY ALL IT DOES IS ALLIENATE MANY VOTERS … KEEP IT UP … LMAO
By wjp on 08.04.08 12:26 pm
They will have to do better than they have do date, WJP … More of this isn’t going to work. Their plan TO DENY
…CONCEAL … AND BLAME OTHERS WON’T WORK.
http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/preston1.jpg
By Bonnie N BC on 08.03.08 10:17 am
Tell M. Dion I’ll contribute to his leadership fund my $ 100 carbon offset cheque from Gordie Campbell if I get clarification or at least a wink that it’s in the platform.
By Bonnie N BC on 08.04.08 12:13 pm
I am going Bonnie N and I have copied your questions and will do my best to ask them.
This will be the first political party event I have ever attended in my many years on this planet. Thanks to Garth’s blog and retirement, I have learned much about politics. I have certainly learned how “dirty” the neocons are. Just like the right wing in the US. It always amazes my how the so-called “Fundamentalist Christians” are among the dirtiest players in the political game. I’m glad I escaped the clutches of the fundamentalist church many years ago. It is their behavior that has propelled me to work for the Liberals in the forthcoming election.
I saw Dion in Kanata, ON a couple weeks ago talking about the Green Shift. After he was done, all we talked about was how bad his English is..and we were all Liberals!
When he had to go unscripted after the event, it was even worse. I shudder to think how he will do in the debates.
I’d be interested to know if anyone is actually inspired after seeing him speak in Halton..or if they are as disappointed as I was in Kanata.
We’ll let you know. I’m sure, as a good Liberal, you are vitally interested. — Garth
By Men With Hats on 08.04.08 1:22 pm
I think you are referring to this article:
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=237ba79a-dce2-4e34-b473-e2b1acf3f1bb
… and from that article:
“Liberals and Conservatives are statistically tied when it comes to voter support in Atlantic Canada, according to the latest Ipsos Reid poll done exclusively for Canwest News Service and Global National.”
.. and …
“Nationally, support for the Conservatives is at 34 per cent, up two percentage points over the last six weeks, while the Liberals are at 30 per cent, down two percentage points.”
………………………..
So, Asshat … when will superhomme Dion vault the Liberal party popularity above the Conservative party?? Methinks if Ignatieff or Rae was the leader, we would have already had a Liberal government .. but now we have 15% Dion dragging down the Liberal brand consistently below that of the Conservative party. Noooot good!!
No amount of political hogwash from you forum Liberal trools will change that reality..LOL
“That’s right BocaNUT … I take full credit for informing my ‘friends’ here.
You can always in a common cause circlejerk with your friends here.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 1:30 pm”
Wow! Yet another gem of wisdom for your imaginary friends.
What’s the matter PP?Can give it out but can’t take it?
Pathetic.
By Men With Hats on 08.04.08 1:04
GREAT POST. I am armed to the teeth with a supporting backgrounder which I intend to use at all candidates’ meetings.
The C.R.A.P./S.H.I.T. cadidate will have to answer because the other candidates will be expected to deal with the questions asked.
I won’t settle for the brushoff they gave to the poor old feller at Mikey [Let Mikey Eat It] Wallace, “Hey, have I ever got some whoppers for you,” FORUM.
FOR A NEW INDEPENDENT GOVERNMENT IN CANADA
By wjp on 08.03.08 8:14 pm ”
Perhaps you’ve been sitting in the sun too long?
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 12:39 pm
lol, P I thought most everyone knew the system has failed and any suggestion at this ppoint is sorely needed. If distract, deny, dismiss shows up in a response it`s safe to say the responder thinks Cdns are stupid.
The reason I carried on from more control over government to a non-elected provincially nominated one was my concern over carrying the problems forward such as special interest groups that have way too much control over government. The seat allocation you suggest promotes the same situation we have now. To much control to do whatever the hell the artificial majority says.
Under a nominated process there is no need for the province with the largest population to control government. An equally number of reps are sent to Ottawa to do the job for Canada, not their province or political party.
To get a system that works every chance of bias or partisanship must be illuminated.
having said that it might be too late economically to make the changes the easy way and certainly to late for an election, regardless of the winning party even with a majority.
Pity there are so few of us that want a better Canada and even sadder still the dismal showing by the political parties, the MP`s hacks and trolls in improving.
distract, dismiss and deny is just as big a failure as making the opposition look worse than them. Bash the opposition into losing is rapidly become a failed program. We`re just not as stupid as the cheerleaders on this page make Cdns out to be.
I predict under the current direction our politicians are taking most Cdns will be pissed at all the MP`s before the economy even hits bottom.
By got rope? on 08.04.08 1:55
Let’s change the subject, here. From DON’T HAVE A COW! to DON’T HAVE A COW? … See Leasa.
One a day to keep the voters at bay. Just another CRAP gaffe.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/08/03/harper-apology.html
By Captain George on 08.04.08 8:19 am
Wonder when Harpo will apologize to the Americans for burning down the Whits House in the war of 1812 .
Let’s change the subject, here.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 2:01 pm
Facts getting in the way of your usual rant?
called “Fundamentalist Christians” are among the dirtiest players in the political game. I’m glad I escaped the clutches of the fundamentalist church many years ago. It is their behavior that has propelled me to work for the Liberals in the forthcoming election.
By Bonnie L on 08.04.08 1:39 pm
I’m sure you are aware, as we all are, those so-called Christians use religion as a contrivance to “fake-out” their audience.
Thanks for taking up Bonnie N’s questions for M. Dion. I hope to meet you on the 20th.
Hi Charles Oxley on 08.03.08 10:02 pm,
Not only are the RFID chip going into the plastice credit card, but are small enough and cheap enough to be put into all the paper money! Just walk by a RFID readed and they’ll know how much money you are carring! Better to rob the guy with lots of cash. But big brother will know what bills were taken and who’ll us them next. Do you know if the cash you are getting from others is stollen?
All these very small RFID chips have individual serial numbers, so they’ll know were the money started into circulation and were and who had it.
Are you paying all your taxes?
Are you using cash to buy contaraban?
Have you been to the seady side of town?
Do you know that person and buy sell stuff to them? Did you pass this RFID reader that time, and what direstion were you going and who else was in the area?
They’ll even know what everyone is buying, even if you don’t us the airmiles card!!!
Can you say, yes big brother!
Hi wjp on 08.03.08 8:07 pm,
Don’t forget how PMSH gave away Billion of our industry money in his softwood lumber deal.
PMSH seem to have alot of ’soft wood’.
By Men With Hats on 08.04.08 1:04
GREAT POST. I am armed to the teeth with a supporting backgrounder which I intend to use at all candidates’ meetings.
The C.R.A.P./S.H.I.T. cadidate will have to answer because the other candidates will be expected to deal with the questions asked.
I won’t settle for the brushoff they gave to the poor old feller at Mikey [Let Mikey Eat It] Wallace, “Hey, have I ever got some whoppers for you,” FORUM.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 1:52 pm
You’re the man Pyotr .Now if I could only understand the gibberish that Hairy S. posts …
By got rope? on 08.04.08 1:55
Let’s change the subject, here. From DON’T HAVE A COW! to DON’T HAVE A COW? … See Leasa.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 2:01 pm
ROTFLMAO
Hi,
(Besides I.Q. there is also I.C. = Intellectual Capacity. Not every one is born equal nor are we all equally equipped! Enjoyed your feed back.)
By Candid Reflections on 08.03.08 5:48 pm,
And there is the little fact that if you are given fluoridated water as an infant it will lower your I.Q. permanently!!!
Get the newest good science at,
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
It is simple a MYTH that fluoridated drinking water is not harmfull for lots of reasons!!! Find out and tell your governmnet to STOP this truely ‘insane’ pratice NOW!!!!
Shifty Stephy ought to change his plan’s name to “Greed Shift”, for that’s what it really is … a clever, greedy, shifty scheme to actually hike general revenues so as to provide a potential (shudder!) Liberal regime with the funds with which to expand the already bloated social-welfare Leftist state apparatus and strengthen the dependence of those who prefer to let the state run their lives in exchange for their blind, brainless acquiescence.
The Greed Shift will be designed to NOT force reductions in GHG emissions, for, after all, the Climate Change GreedLusters know that the whole thing is a scam to make them money and could care less about emissions, GW, CC, the environment… they only care about themselves and making themselves more money the easy way (the crooked way). They just might have the perfect crime here… how the hell can they possibly be prosecuted for this? Gotta marvel at the cleverness of the scam!
OTTAWA – The country’s two main political rivals are still in a virtual tie in public popularity, and Stephane Dion’s carbon tax plan – which experts suggest may be a key issue in the next federal election – doesn’t seem to be pushing Canadians in either direction, suggests a new poll for Canwest News Service and Global National.
Of those who answered the Ipsos Reid survey of 1,002 adult Canadians, a slim majority, 52 per cent, said they either strongly or somewhat agree with Dion’s approach. In contrast, 42 per cent of respondents said they strongly or somewhat oppose the plan, and six per cent were undecided.
While 62 per cent of respondents said they believed the plan – dubbed Green Shift by the Liberals – will reduce pollution in the country, about two-thirds (65 per cent) of respondents felt the Liberals’ proposed carbon tax would lead to a major increase in the taxes paid by families, and 62 per cent said they thought it’s likely to increase tension between Western Canada, Ontario and Quebec.
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Darrell Bricker, president and CEO of Ipsos Reid, said it’s clear Canadians feel the Green Shift is “not nearly as good as Stephane Dion would claim, or nearly as bad as Stephen Harper would claim.”
Ottawa Citizen
Hi Captain George on 08.03.08 5:17 pm,
If we all did join the party we could vote on how gets to be there leader.
You could run also and if we all joined there would be enough of us to vote you in. As long as there aren’t using electronic voting and vot counting machine! You have heard of hackers and subvertion!
Hi Bill-Muskoka on 08.03.08 12:43 pm,
Yes, a few of my ranting comments did not get posted. (We all have some bad days.)
Esther is a great person, but as fare as I know it is ONLY Mr. Garth TurnerMP, that read the comments and does the posting of them.
I can only imagine the stuff he has to read that he will not post!
I’m glad I escaped the clutches of the fundamentalist church many years ago. It is their behavior that has propelled me to work for the Liberals in the forthcoming election.
By Bonnie L on 08.04.08 1:39 pm
The current rate and severity of child abuse exceeds even the residential schools of the “Fundamentalist Christians”.
Do you have any proof the “Fundamentalist Christians” are responsible for our current historic high of parent denied children and the ensuing abuse?
no justice, no investment
By got rope? on 08.04.08 1:55 pm,
Your tendency to idealize other levels of government seems rather naive. I suspect, however, that you are aware that you are promoting the agenda of certain special private interests.
All your concept would do is remove another one of the checks and balances in the system. The same parties that control the federal government control provincial governments. The same special interests that control the federal agenda would target the provincial parties even more than they do now. The impact would be tighter control by special interests over all levels of government.
It would not be a solution to the problem but make the problems even worse for the general public.
“….I shudder to think how he will do in the debates.”
Yeah…the debates are going to be fun. I can’t wait!!
They use FUD as their Weapon of Mass Deception………..
We should be voting for the candidate, but Canadians have long chosen based on the party leader. That is both extremely lazy and undemocratic IMO.
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 10:23 am
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Bill, your FUD acronym has me baffled!??
I disagree with the premise that we Canadians vote FOR a candidates leader, rather it is a great tradition that we tend to find something to vote AGAINST is more the case you will find.
Hence which will we vote against next?
Harper and all his many flaws, or The Green Shift Plan by Dion, et al.
Let’s change the subject, here. From DON’T HAVE A COW! to DON’T HAVE A COW? … See Leasa.
WHERE’S THE BEEF? I wouldn’t want to ’steer’ you wrong, lest uyou be an ‘udder’ failure! LOL
By HARRY S on 08.04.08 1:47 pm
You forgot the part in the article where they say “19 times out of 20 +/- 3%” .. and (paraphrasing) “statisically it’s no change from last month”
Considering how “pathetic” you say Dion is, you would think Harper would have a stronger showing in the polls – than “statistically equal”
If you spent more than a couple of minutes thinking through your ridiculous socialist pie-in-the-sky political theory then it was time wasted that you’ll never get back.
What a total pant load.
Perhaps you’ve been sitting in the sun too long?
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 12:39 pm
I have already figured out democracy is not number 1 on your list, having representation from the grass roots instead of the party leader distating it is appealing to some Canadians. But not to worry because after Jim Dim is finished with the Canadian economy, it will happpen anyway. We are on a real slide into stagflation in case you haven’t noticed and no party has come up with a solution. So I wish you good luck, you stick with and die with Harper, I will continue to look for alternatives…
This so called Great Nation under the care and custody of one Reformer called Stephen Harper has slipped sharply over the past 2 1/2 plus years….and had he (King Steve) been given a majority we would be at par with the US of A under George Dubya Bush……and dat ladies and gentlemen could you could bank on…but not in the US because they are falling down….
I predict under the current direction our politicians are taking most Cdns will be pissed at all the MP`s before the economy even hits bottom.
By got rope? on 08.04.08 1:55 pm
I would suggest by the numbers voting, soon to be even less, that most people have reached the conclusion that MPs are irrelvant. Those who are blinded by party loyalty will be the most pissed off, although they will wait for the bottom to fall out. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, to bad so many are borrowing theirs….
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 2:01 pm
Oh, and I suggest ‘poleing’ them to check their mooooood!
Why is Dion on vacation now??
Isn’t he supposed to be criss-crossing Canada to ’sell’ his Green Shift and carbon tax to save the planet with our wallets?
Doesn’t he care about global warming and climate change caused by Canadian GHGs spewing non-stop into the planet’s atmosphere?
How could he take time off to ‘vacation’ when the planet is being destroyed and the country is on the brink of economic disaster?
LEADERS DON’T TAKE ‘VACATIONS’ WHEN THE SITUATION DEMANDS URGENCY AND ACTION …. DION IS NOT A LEADER … AND HE HAS PROVEN THAT BY TAKING HIS ILL-TIMED PARISIENNE-STYLE VACATION WHILE CANADIANS ARE SUFFERING IMMEASURABLY …!!!!
Bill, your FUD acronym has me baffled!??
I disagree with the premise that we Canadians vote FOR a candidates leader, rather it is a great tradition that we tend to find something to vote AGAINST is more the case you will find.
Hence which will we vote against next?
Harper and all his many flaws, or The Green Shift Plan by Dion, et al.
By Candid Reflections on 08.04.08 2:57 pm
FUD = Fear, Uncertanty, and Doubt!
Oh, I agree, Canadians vote AGAINST things. There is a message in there I think? Perhaps that is because we have so little to vote FOR! That needs to change. It is in the U.S. with Barack Obama, but we don’t have an Obama running at this time.
Canada needs ‘Change we can BELIEVE in!’ When do we need it? NOW!
They thought they were getting that the last election didn’t they? Well, seems the Flim-Flam man is not really Dim Jim but Caesar Disgustus, the fearless (and mindless, emotionaless, environmentally and socially unconscious) so-called leader! Cloned right from Bush’s arsehole by the Far Right Fanatics.
FUD is an acronym for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
how the hell can they possibly be prosecuted for this? Gotta marvel at the cleverness of the scam!
By Skippy on 08.04.08 2:23 pm
Pretty difficult to prosecute someone for suggesting a platform item, and you know politicians do not get prosecuted. Harper with the “in & out scheme”, Harper with the Cadscam vote buying incident. You really think anyone is going to prosecute him? You have to commit murder in order to get the attention of the R.C.M.P in Canada and then the courts would probably throw it out anyway…so I suggest your idea of prosecuting Dion for suggesting the Green Shift could be a wee bit over the top.
Give it up, Garth
the God botherers have your number
GEISERIC THE LAME ON 08.04.08 10:55 AM
SIGNS THAT STEPHANE DION WILL BE NEXT PRIME MINISTER FROM:
http://www.thecry.ca/
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This will help determine the next 7 years after that, because the Lord doesn’t want this to be a moment of mercy, he wants this to be a decade of mercy, and restoration and transformation…I see a window of opportunity that is 3 years long, it feels like the present governmental leaders who have now been put in place, PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER because there are appointments of righteousness that are occurring. I just don’t know a lot, but I feel there are right appointments that are being made. This is so critical, because it’s not only necessary to pray to seize the moment, for the right person to be put in power but then you need to continue in prayer…” …………………..
STEPHANE DION IS THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER. HE HAS INTEGRITY, MERCY, WISDOM AND INTELLIGENCE WHILE HARPER HAS SHOWN US HE HAS NO INTEGRITY, MORALS, WISDOM OR INTELLIGENCE AND HAS A VERY NEGATIVE ATTITUDE—“DION IS NOT A LEADER CAMPAIGN” IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. STEPHANE IS A MATURE MAN. HARPER APPEARS TO BE AN IMMATURE BULLY ALONG WITH VAN LOONEY AND A FEW OTHERS.
…..We believe there is something to this word and believe God is raising up a generation of mighty men and women who will petition heaven in massive prayer and fasting to see the issues of unrighteousness and injustice crumble under the hand of God…….
I AM SO GLAD THEY ARE PRAYING FOR STEPHANE DION AS PRIME MINISTER SO THAT WE WILL BE DELIVERED FROM HARPER WITH HIS APPARENT UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, INJUSTICE AND OTHER NEGATIVE CHARACTERISTICS
A generation is rising from the ashes of gross moral decay, family breakdown, immorality, perversion, abortion, the highest suicide rates in Canadian history and general cultural demise. They are rising with a fervent CRY. It is a CRY of raw and released passion declaring that, like John the Baptist in His day, “We will lay down our lives in total abandon to prepare the way for Jesus.” No holding back.
YES THE GENERATION OF GROSS MORAL DECAY, FAMILY BREAKDOWN, IMMORALITY, ETC. CERTAINLY GOT INTO POWER—HARPER, CADMAN, TOEWS, MULRONEY, IN AND OUT, JULIE, BERNIER, RCMP, 10%ERS AND MORE DID GET INTO POWER FOR A SHORT TIME.
…….Curses are being broken off the land and pillars of moral filth and injustice are being shaken to the core. Now is not the time to relent. The wind of Heaven is backing up God’s praying Church.
YES ONE OF THE PILLARS OF MORAL FILTH AND INJUSTICE IS BEING SHAKEN TO THE CORE. HARPER AND HIS GANG ARE QUAKING IN THEIR BOOTS THAT THEY WILL LOSE THE ELECTION TO STEPHANE DION AND HIS TEAM. SOME OF THE MORAL FILTH—CADMAN BRIBE, TEOWS AND HIS DIVORCE, BERNIER AND HIS BOOTY CALLS, IN AND OUT, RCMP, INCOME TRUSTS AND ON AND ON.
the Canadian church is going to rise up once again and go to the four corners of the world and bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to pave the way for His second coming.” (Scribed from a message Dr. Cho spoke in Canada in his 1984 trip).
THIS CERTAINLY EMPHASIZES THE ARROGANCE AND INTOLERANCE OF THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT/FUNDAMENTALISTS AS THEY PROCLAIM THEIR GOD IS THE ONLY GOD FOR THE WORLD. TOO BAD HARPER HAS BEEN ONE OF THEM FOR 20 YEARS. SHOULD A PERSON OF SUCH STRONG BELIEFS LEAD OUR COUNTRY WHICH DOES ITS BEST TO BE TOLERANT AND INCLUSIVE? NOTE THAT THE FUNDAMENTALISTS ARE VERY HAPPY THAT HARPER IS PM.
In the spring of 2006 James Goll, a recognized international prophetic voice, saw a vision regarding Canada. In the vision he saw a door and over the door he saw the word SHIFT and a 3 yr window of opportunity that we had as a nation. Following is a direct quote from this word:
“…But right now my sense is that this door of opportunity has been opened, and I see the realm of mercy being extended to the nation of Canada for a 3 year period. But we’ve got to…seize the moment in the nation of Canada, specifically the next 3 years.
..;…Like in 2nd Samuel 24, there is a very real plague of moral decay that has hit the nation of Canada in the past decades and we are contending for this plague to be lifted off our land ……..
I KNEW STEPHANE DION AND HIS TEAM HAD IT RIGHT. JUST LOOK, IT WAS A PROPHETIC VISION IN 2006 THAT SAW THEM BRINGING THE “GREEN SHIFT” AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO CANADIANS WITHIN A 3 YR. WINDOW. FOR SURE, STEPHANE DION AND HIS TEAM WILL BRING A FAIRER, GREENER, RICHER CANADA INTO BEING STARTING WITH THE NEXT ELECTION.
IMAGINE THEN–THE MORAL PLAGUE OF DECAY BROUGHT BY STEPHEN HARPER AND HIS GANG THAT HAS STRUCK THE NATION OF CANADA WILL BE LIFTED!!!
I AM SO HAPPY THAT “THE CRY” WILL BE MEETING TO ADD THEIR ENERGY TO THE ELECTION OF STEPHANE DION AND HIS TEAM AS THE LEADERS OF CANADA’S GOVERNMENT.
Recent poll in the London Free Press online:
lfpress.ca/Includes/Polls/LFP_news_poll_archive.html
So 70% of 730 respondents do not a Federal Election this Fall!
Maybe Mr. Dion should give Stevie Harper a Trudeau salute and tell him to “Fuddle Duddle” off the the Gov. Gen. to call an unwanted election on his own!
Let’s change the subject, here. From DON’T HAVE A COW! to DON’T HAVE A COW? … See Leasa.
“WHERE’S THE BEEF? I wouldn’t want to ’steer’ you wrong, lest uyou be an ‘udder’ failure! LOL
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 2:58 pm”
Members of the Algonquin Round Table must be guffawing in their graves at the sparkling display of wit on this blog.
Facts getting in the way of your usual rant?
By got rope? on 08.04.08 2:08 pm
What ‘facts’ are you talking about?
Where are your ‘facts’ on global warming?
I have yet to see a ‘fact’ supporting any of your claims.
Did your ‘factual’ exchange with the minister of justice provide help?
Is it true?..that Liberal strategists have told Dion to take a vacation and get a deep deep tan so they can market him as Canada’s ‘Obama’?
Sounds sorta desperate to me.
LEADERS DON’T TAKE ‘VACATIONS’ WHEN THE SITUATION DEMANDS URGENCY AND ACTION …. DION IS NOT A LEADER … AND HE HAS PROVEN THAT BY TAKING HIS ILL-TIMED PARISIENNE-STYLE VACATION WHILE CANADIANS ARE SUFFERING IMMEASURABLY …!!!!
By HARRY S on 08.04.08 4:20 pm
And Harper is going to impose a $65 a tonne tax or allow Obama to tax Canadian imports….He certainly is helping out Canadians!!!!
By Skippy on 08.04.08 2:23 pm
By Liblooking on 08.04.08 2:53 pm
When one pseudonym poses a question which is ignored … he may try again to make it interesting by agreeing with his previous posting under another pseudonym. Looks good on C.R.A.P/S.H.I.T.s
Is that under the direction of your new guy Kory Ten-Acres?
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/6d03bf1c-03fd-4a15-8106-b83ca306188c/teneycke_kory0804.jpg?size=l
Members of the Algonquin Round Table must be guffawing in their graves at the sparkling display of wit on this blog.
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 4:29 pm
Why BocaNUT, we didn’t know you waited tables there … We always thought you weren’t qualified to do dishes.
LEADERS DON’T TAKE ‘VACATIONS’ WHEN THE SITUATION DEMANDS URGENCY AND ACTION …. DION IS NOT A LEADER … AND HE HAS PROVEN THAT BY TAKING HIS ILL-TIMED PARISIENNE-STYLE VACATION WHILE CANADIANS ARE SUFFERING IMMEASURABLY …!!!!
By HARRY S on 08.04.08 4:20 pm
Harper and his Harpies have had their head in the sand for far too long now and perhaps you should convey this important message to them.
I would deliver it myself but I don’t know what beach they’ve choosen for the party’s vacation.
CANADIANS ARE SUFFERING IMMEASURABLY
Oh, and I suggest ‘poleing’ them to check their mooooood!
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 3:51 pm
That will work, Bill and would be in keeping with their CORE THEME.
DENY…CONCEAL…BLAME THE UDDER GUYS.
These NeoConBots all have UDDERS, that’s why they call them COW-BOYS.
Sounds sorta desperate to me.
By Skippy on 08.04.08 4:41 pm
Skippy….what a cute name. Did you think that one up all by yourself or did your mommy help you?
Let me guess, you’re 14 going on 15.
And Harper is going to impose a $65 a tonne tax or allow Obama to tax Canadian imports….He certainly is helping out Canadians!!!!
By wjp on 08.04.08 4:54 pm
Ian Brodie is gone WJP … Obama will remember Obama-gate … you may be sure.
Three replies in one post, don`t want to be a bloghog
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It would not be a solution to the problem but make the problems even worse for the general public.
By C. B. on 08.04.08 2:46 pm
Same answer as the last you were given. Wrong. It puts the grassroots closer to public officials.
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PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 4:41 pm
Sry your constant bitching hasn`t brought about the poll results you hoped for but you really should stop blaming others.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, to bad so many are borrowing theirs….
By wjp on 08.04.08 3:40 pm
Profound P.
Pity we didn`t frequent the same exchanges back when.
This will be the first political party event I have ever attended in my many years on this planet.
By Bonnie L on 08.04.08 1:39 pm
Thank you so much for fielding my two questions. I am sure you will do fine!
It’s exciting to think that a blog has brought people from far and wide across this country to have a dialogue and feel the need to get involved. While Garth sometimes can be too outspoken, his heart is in it and we can never thank him enough for this forum.
The only time I worked or went to a political event was in grade 12 as a civic assignment. My parents were horrified as I went to work for the federal NDP candidate stuffing envelopes. At that age, I had no idea what a political party meant.
I’ve learned alot too, about Committees and House procedures and while many people would think this is like watching paint dry it has made me a better informed Canadian.
I hope you understand my gist as I worry that in the North, the Liberal party cannot apply the same standard of legislation under the Green Shift plan. North of 60 has huge costs for diesel: heating, electricity and transportation. An increase in the Northerner tax credit will not cover the costs. There is no simple solution (as my boss used to say – no magical answers) and we are so reponsible for the impact to the North; here in the south.
It is the right thing to do to for northern Canadians.
It is unlikely that M. Dion will visit the Sunshine Coast even though, I remind all bloggers, it is where the Green Party started in Canada and in my humble opinion M. Dion should launch his election campaign from here.(are you listening Garth???)
Have fun “Bonnie L”!! I am pea green with envy.
“Why BocaNUT, we didn’t know you waited tables there … We always thought you weren’t qualified to do dishes.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 4:59 pm”
Keep them bon mots coming PP.
You and your merry bunch of libtards are hilarious.
Members of the Algonquin Round Table must be guffawing in their graves at the sparkling display of wit on this blog.
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 4:29 pm
Get back top work and clear the tables. More customers are arriving! Oh, and stop picking at the leftovers…it is quite improper.
Harper’s apology is too little, too late
MARLA NEWHOOK—Gazette—Thursday, July 31
”I was born in a Cree community in Moose Factory, Ont., a tiny island nestled in the mouth of the Moose River that streams into James Bay.”
What’s Harpo going to do now … Send out Pariah Poilievre to accuse the natives of “partaking” from the settlement against the Christians who ran the residential schools?
PM apologizes for 1914 Komagata Maru incident;
Sikhs say that’s not enough—
Canadian Press—1 hour ago
SURREY, B.C. — An apology from Prime Minister Stephen Harper Sunday for the 1914 Komagata Maru incident in which hundreds of Indians seeking a better life in Canada were turned away has failed to win over Sikh community members.
Will Harpo send out Pariah Poilievre to “scold” them for their unwillingness to “partake” of this ploy?
Harpo kinda reminds me of the guy who always said, “I’m sorry, but I never apologize.” [Unless it’s before an unusually large crowd, and he sees the possibility of gaining a few votes for nothing.
Once again ladies and gentlemen Canadians remember the words of Stephen Harper from both sides of the isle shouting: “Canadians need and want fixed election dates” ….. So please remind us Mr. PM of the results on this bill in Canada’s House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario, Canada!
Keep them bon mots coming PP.
You and your merry bunch of libtards are hilarious.
By BocaNUT on 08.04.08 5:25 pm
Which NUT are you? Chandler or Anders?
These NeoConBots all have UDDERS, that’s why they call them COW-BOYS.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 5:10 pm
I say, are you insinuating my dear Chap, that they use a ‘teat for that’ approach?
Which NUT are you? Chandler or Anders?
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 5:38 pm
Probably Bush’s Brother in Boca Rat-on, Florida!
“Which NUT are you? Chandler or Anders?
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 5:38 pm”
PP, I’m sure you can do better than that,try and put some effort into it.
“Get back top work and clear the tables. More customers are arriving! Oh, and stop picking at the leftovers…it is quite improper.
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 5:32 pm”
For a long winded bore that’s got to be the shortest comment from you in days.
WTG!!
Here is how the Bush (and Harper) administration deals out ‘justice, and follows international law.’
Karadzic ‘lived under protection of CIA agents until he broke deal’
Like Frank Zappa said ‘We are a nation of laws…randomly enforced.’
Yes, the Bush administration harbers war criminals and mass murderers, while Steve ignores innocent Canadians in their hands at Gitmo!
Is this how you you want your rep as a Canadian represented?
LATER FOLKS … GOTTA GO
I have forty-one packages to prepare for MP’s who have been extremely disloyal to Ontario interests in the House of Commons. Ontarians are all past the tipping point with those people.
Just do the math for 3 ridings;
792/18 = 44 political action days. It’s now a matter of how long the campaign is going to be. Toujours prêts M. Dion.
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 5:55 pm
I wanted you to be able to comprehend it! Back to work.
Probably Bush’s Brother in Boca Rat-on, Florida!
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 5:49 pm
Duz you mean the one with dimples on his chads, with an AG who knowingly and wilfully ’stole’ the election from Gore?
He be the biblical Jebediah … within the scrolls up or down.
BY DARYN 08.04.08 12:49PM
Daryn, great ideas – hope you sent them all to the Lib site.
Harper follows the same guidelines as the extreme tactics used in the U.S.
He’ll do anything to corrupt an election. He’s even tried to influence the U.S. election – all tactics and dishonesty.
Harper knows he can trick busy voters who don’t know about his big picture. He is quite simply, pure evil. What he represents is not what comes out of his mouth. It’s all a game to him. Guys like Harper come along in history and by conniving and circumstance they get just enough power to spit in the face of civil society. Their corruption eventually gets everyone’s attention, but for now we can only hope most people will sense that Harper lies incessantly.
And never forget the neocon tactic to misname things. Remember the moral majority – an oxymoron if there ever was one. That group was formed by one guy, who did not represent anything honest – just looking for power. He went on to form the more modern neocon group.
These minority power freaks hope to trick the majority, and did for awhile, with that misleading title. In time they got tossed, but that’s an example – just like NCC – a corporate lobby group Harper was president of for 5 years, who are totally misnamed to fool people. They pretend to represent citizens, but again, the title depicts quite the opposite of what the group does.
Harper’s other creation, The Friends of Science, also comes to mind – dreamt up to oppose Kyoto, but that one has also been completely discredited.
And – the FOS fraudulent election finance tactics were hidden by Harper so there’s THAT investigation to add to the list, too.
If Harper’s mouth is open – he’s lying. Hopefully enough good people will figure that out, if Canada is to survive.
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 5:52 pm
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 5:55 pm
What’s your riding, BocaNUT?
I know Garth can’t answer this, but I’ll keep asking it.
The liberals want to increase the tax on diesel but not on gasoline.
Diesel produces less C02 than gasoline.
The evil non-liberal voting West burns more diesel while the virtuous liberal voting east burns more gasoline.
So the plan will increase C02 emissions, but that’s okay because Dion has votes to buy in the east with money taken from the West.
Like the liberal senator says, ‘Screw the West, we’ll take the rest’.
I suppose he could amend that to read ‘Screw the West and the environment, and we’ll take the rest’.
The liberals expect the eastern voters to fall for this cynical scam.
By got rope? on 08.04.08 5:15 pm,
Who would you define as the “grass roots”?
It was the Reform Party that used the term “grass roots” and if you look at how the Reform Party worked the “grass roots” had very little control over what the party actually did. The reason for that was control of the party rested in the leader and his advisors at the center. It was an exclusive right wing club.
If the Reform Party was a “grass roots” party and it was the central administration that controlled the party then you might conclude that was the “grass roots.”
What you are really promoting is that the entire federal government become similar to the Senate: an unelected body that never had to make contact with voters. They could be even more out of touch with the general public. This would wipe out the last vistage of “responsible government” because MPs would no longer be directly responsible to voters.
Duz you mean the one with dimples on his chads, with an AG who knowingly and wilfully ’stole’ the election from Gore?
He be the biblical Jebediah … within the scrolls up or down.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 6:07 pm
I duz! I definitely duz! That be imbilical BTW, not Biblical
This would wipe out the last vistage of “responsible government” because MPs would no longer be directly responsible to voters.
By C. B. Innes on 08.04.08 6:23 pm
LMAO…sure they are now!!! That’s why they vote as the party leader tells them…doesn’t matter which party so how do you figure we have a say? Only on who goes there, after that, Dion or Harper, Jack or Gilles will tell them how they will vote…I am surprised you would support that kind of democracy…it’s a sham!
“Probably Bush’s Brother in Boca Rat-on, Florida!
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 5:49 pm
Bill ,in the ’90’s Castro emptied his mental institutions and sent the inmates to the States,until reading your posts to-day I had no idea that in those same years the US copied Cuba and sent their mental defectives to Canada.
You learn something new everday.
Thanks!
BILL-MUSKOKA 08.04.08 10:23AM
Enjoyed your comment today. Ditto for my sense of JC & PM.
I’m half American and also saw this neocon thing coming, although I’m still shocked sometimes that their lying works. Just shows you how busy – and in denial, people really are – and how gullible.
I hope your meeting with Dion on the 20th works out.
BY EASTOFEDEN ON 08.03.08 3:34 AM
East, we think alike, from sprawl, to imports from countries who don’t respect the planet.
Sponsorship was a knee jerk reaction after the 2nd Quebec referendum was too close for comfort. I can only imagine JC freaked out, setting up something so stupid.
Worse, the program was put in the hands of just the perfect wrong person – The Gatekeeper – a brutish bureaucrat and a Mulroney hire – how anyone trusted that guy is beyond me.
For their stupidity, the Fed Libs got stung good – by PQ Libs, con bureaucrats and crooked ad men.
Can we blame the entire party? No.
But to that point – Harper is the biggest crook of our time. So should we blame his party? Well hell yes, because his MPs, in full knowledge, are going along with Harper’s lies and allowing this sociopath PMSH to ruin Canada.
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT
If Harper’s mouth is open – he’s lying. Even when it’s closed, he’s thinking up another lie. Hopefully enough good people will figure that out, if Canada is to survive.
By barb the proofreader on 08.04.08
6:08 pm
Ring the bells, calling to vote.
UNANIMOUS
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 6:51 pm
Yer ’spose t’be on kp, sonny. Either get it done or we hire someone with an IQ/IC above room temperature mid-Feb to take over. An UDDER COW-BOY, no less.
I see your point, Bonnie, even if I do detect a current of tongue-in-cheek to it, but we’re talking about the crowd whose “international prophet voice” proclaimed Harper’s election as one of the “appointments of righteousness that are occuring” back in ‘06.
methinks said Samuel isn’t too interested in considering options.
The Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada has ensured that his pal, Rob Anders has a nice safe seat to run in in Calgary
Anders – paid provocateur:
http://buckdogpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-tory-mp-rob-anders-was-paid.html
Anders – video:
http://www.jenniferpollock.ca/checkthisout/pinocchio.wmv
by PYOTR PETROBITCH 08.03.08 7:56AM
PYOTR,
Loved the posts. Stunning! I sent it to my friends here in his riding. They are old Tories but can’t stand him. After viewing your video link, it wouldn’t be a big surprise if he, himself, carried on several of the pseudonyms here. What a weirdo Anders is!
Sounds sorta desperate to me.
By Skippy on 08.04.08 4:41 pm
Skippy….what a cute name. Did you think that one up all by yourself or did your mommy help you?
Let me guess, you’re 14 going on 15.
By Ron p on 08.04.08 5:11 pm
Too funny Ron .
ROTFLMAO
We now have our ,very,own Kangaroo .
Skippy !
So cute .
Since Leasa, Catherine and Harry S., and the other climate change deniers on the site probably will need help interpretting the maps…..here is a clue “RED ON THE MAPS IS BAD”.
By TS on 08.04.08 9:33 am
Oh TS, we planted a few bushes and trees this weekend. Can you please send me a cheque for your carbon offsets. Thank you.
You think by your childish and foolish rant calling your opponents “deniers” is lending to a useful debate on our environment. You are certainly wrong and showing that you have absolutely NO CLUE about anything!
I could call you and your lemmings “eco-nazis” or “eco-hypocrites”, but, I won’t stoop to that level. But, then, given what we have coming from Suzuki lately – in respect to what he wants young children to rat out their parents – maybe eco-nazis is appropriate.
I had no idea that in those same years the US copied Cuba and sent their mental defectives to Canada.
You learn something new everday.
Thanks!
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 6:51 pm
Yer’,embarassing yourself Numbnutz .
By TS on 08.04.08 9:33 am
Hey TS, you are one nasty assed bitch. No where did I insult anyone and I even stated that ‘both sides use the numbers to say what they want’. Why are you so angry? Are you like that with everyone who disagrees with you? Hell, I didn’t even have to disagree with you and you spewed your venom. Well, I guess if you are insulting me, you are leaving some other poor sole alone. If your attitude is representative of the LP, I’m glad I’m no part of it.
******
Rope, the owner actually showed up tonight, and yes the heifer is back. Seems he only owns the one cow and his son was supposed to be watching it while he was away. So now, they don’t own a truck and are currently standing in my field trying to decide what to do with their bovine.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious regarding my previous post. It’s too bad the Liberal wild eyed frothers can’t simply read and understand what has been written before they go spouting off with the personal attacks.
Leasa
I meant soul, not sole, but if the shoe fits…L
By Stan on 08.04.08 6:13 pm
“Diesel produces less C02 than gasoline.”
Now that’s an interesting assertion – would you care to elaborate?
More bullshit from Stan :
Diesel produces less C02 than gasoline.
However it takes twenty per cent more oil to produce a gallon of diesel wiping out any advantage.
When it comes to smog-forming pollutants and toxic particulate matter, also known as soot, today’s diesels are still a lot dirtier than the average gasoline car.
TIERY-EYED
US tailpipe standards for diesel cars, which have historically been weaker than those for gasoline cars, are being updated to force diesel and gasoline vehicles to meet the same set of emissions standards. The tiered structure of the new “Tier 2″ standards, however, allows automakers to produce some cars that release two times more soot and smog-forming pollution than the average new vehicle and still meet their targets. Also, until the standards are fully implemented in 2009, existing loopholes allow some cars to pollute even more.
There are three size categories of soot particles:
* Large soot particles (>10 microns) deposit from the air into your nose, throat, and lungs, causing coughing and irritating your throat, and are ejected from your body through sneezing, coughing, and nose blowing.
* Coarse soot particles (~10 microns) are inhaled into your windpipe and settle there, causing more irritation and more coughing.
* Fine and ultra-fine soot particles (less than 2.5 microns) are the most successful at invading your body—they’re small enough to travel deep into your lungs. Once there, these soot particles can irritate and mutate the most sensitive tissues in your lungs, your alveoli. These air sacs exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide from the air you breathe with blood in your capillaries, thus allowing your circulatory system to carry oxygen to the rest of your body. Soot particles, however, make this task more difficult because they cause inflammation and scarring of the alveoli. This also strains your heart because it must work harder to compensate for oxygen loss.
Soot also finds other ways to harm your body, including:
* chronic bronchitis,
* asthma,
* reduced ability of respiratory system to fight infections and remove foreign particles, and
* cancer.
All this means that diesel pollution can be deadly, causing premature mortality through cancer or heart and respiratory illnesses. The California Air Resources Board has concluded that diesel soot is responsible for 70% of the state’s risk of cancer from airborne toxics. In the population as a whole, studies have shown a 26% increase in mortality in people living in soot-polluted cities.
You expect us to accept your bullshit as gospel ?
Grow up ‘ ya idiot .
We know better .
Leasa
By Leasa on 08.04.08 8:38 pm
No one ,here. cares a rats fat ass what you have to say about anything .
You and Catherine are the biggest liars on this site .
Catherine is one lie away from permanent
banning .
> Bill Muskoka wrote
>Here is how the Bush (and Harper) >administration deals out ‘justice, and >follows international law.’
>Karadzic ‘lived under protection of CIA >agents until he broke deal’
How the hell is Harper involved with the decisions made by the CIA? It is my understanding that the CIA actually works for the USA government. I thought you as a dual American citizen would know that. But apparently not.
Like Frank Zappa said ‘We are a nation of laws…randomly enforced.’
Again applies to Bush and the American State.
Yes, the Bush administration harbers war criminals and mass murderers, while Steve ignores innocent Canadians in their hands at Gitmo!
Bill how do you know that the Canadian Citizen is innocent? Look in your crystal ball or something? Were you there in Irag during actual the firefight when the American medic was killed?. Just because his defence lawyers are playing games and trying to defend their client in the media with all kinds of comments doesn’t make him innocent by any means. Unlike you I reserve my judgement until all the facts come out during his October trial.
Is this how you you want your rep as a Canadian represented?
Yes, Harper is right to wait until his case is heard and all the evidence has been presented and the case is settled..
Why aren’t you asking these questions? For example the Liberals had their chance to do something and bring him home for three years and didn’t. Why didn’t they? Dion is silent on this. Why?
You and Catherine are the biggest liars on this site .
Catherine is one lie away from permanent
banning .
By Men With Hats on 08.04.08 9:12 pm
Way to go exlax. Attack the writer instead of their comments. If they are such liars then prove it by citing facts that prove them wrong. Just saying they are doesn’t mean a fidder’s you know what.
When the federal goverbment supports public transit, instead of largely ignoring it, and encourages the use of diesel alternatives with grants, then it’s a very positive thing. — Garth
Where is all this grant money to come from Garth? The Green shift program?
Good night Ivan Dynisovitch .
Your suffering is at an end .
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 6:51 pm
Ya’ll have fun here in Busyland Florida now, hear!
Oooooooooweeeeeeeeee…Van is all hot and bothered tonight. Hehehehe!
I hope your meeting with Dion on the 20th works out.
By barb the proofreader on 08.04.08 7:08 pm
Thanks Barb. If my energy level is there I will be also! In the process of a major project. Time will tell!
Should have read
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 6:51 pm
Ya’ll have fun there in Busyland Florida now, hear!
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 6:51 pm
BTW, Arizona emptied their State Mental Hospitals in the 1980’s. Now the patients are known as HOMELESS people. Aren’t you PROUD? Better get a handgun because they are coming to take you AWAY any moment now!
So now, they don’t own a truck and are currently standing in my field trying to decide what to do with their bovine.
By Leasa on 08.04.08 8:38 pm
Fire up the Barbie and get out the steely knives?
“Yer ’spose t’be on kp, sonny. Either get it done or we hire someone with an IQ/IC above room temperature mid-Feb to take over. An UDDER COW-BOY, no less.
By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 08.04.08 7:19 pm”
Keep ‘em coming PP.
Way to go exlax. Attack the writer instead of their comments. If they are such liars then prove it by citing facts that prove them wrong. Just saying they are doesn’t mean a fidder’s you know what.
By Van on 08.04.08 9:23 pm
Shut up ! Stupid moron . Garth has caught both of them lying through their teeth .
Of course you need a brain to pay attention.
Obviously you do not possess even one working brain cell . An amoeba tries to take me on . What a friggin’ laugh .
Diesels get better fuel mileage, that is the reason they produce less C02 per mile than gasoline vehicles.
And the latest diesels are very clean.
Dion’s plan will increase C02 emissions.
“New Diesel Volkswagen Polo “cleaner than a Toyota Prius”
New Polo ‘cleaner than a Prius’
• Polo BlueMotion has CO2 emissions of 102g/km • Lower emissions than a Prius hybrid • On sale next year for around £10K
A new Volkswagen Polo which boasts fewer CO2 emissions than a Toyota Prius will go on sale in the UK next year.”
http://www.autospies.com/news/New-Diesel-Volkswagen-Polo-cleaner-than-a-Toyota-Prius-11000/
“Ya’ll have fun here in Busyland Florida now, hear!
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 9:36 pm”
Bill, is your last name Muskoka or do you use it for snob appeal ?
I’m sure it impresses lots of people here.
Where is all this grant money to come from Garth? The Green shift program?
By Van on 08.04.08 9:26 pm
Nah, from your piggy-bank . Pea brain !
Diesels emit NOx which is very nasty. Great analysis Stan. You are a real scientists, I can tell! LMAO!
Might I recommend you ask, nay, plead for an update to your ‘Talking Points’ flip chart there ate the Death Star!
“So what it this BlueTec and AdBlue technology? BlueTec reduces NOx emissions in a catalytic converter that breaks the gas down into Nitrogen and Oxygen. It also incorporates a particulate filter that allows exhaust gases through freely but traps small particles that we see as soot or smoke. With BlueTec, the diesel exhaust looks as clean as a gasoline-powered vehicle but AdBlue makes it even cleaner.”
“So what it this BlueTec and AdBlue technology? BlueTec reduces NOx emissions in a catalytic converter that breaks the gas down into Nitrogen and Oxygen. It also incorporates a particulate filter that allows exhaust gases through freely but traps small particles that we see as soot or smoke. With BlueTec, the diesel exhaust looks as clean as a gasoline-powered vehicle but AdBlue makes it even cleaner.”
By Stan on 08.04.08 10:34 pm
Blah,blah blah,blah blah .
You and Leasa should hook up then you can tell each other how good looking you are .ROTFLMAO .
Lies,lies and more lies. Yer’ an idiot Stan .
By all means feel free to use up valuable real estate with your bullshit.
If nothing else it makes us laugh .
You are a friggin’ joke .
Dion is losing momentum while on vacation … and it’s almost as if Dion has given up on ’selling’ his Green Shift carbon tax to Canadians … because selling is a tough job, particularly if you’re not very convincing nor charismatic … and trying to sell Canadians on a punishing carbon tax is doubly tough.
If Dion were truly serious about his Green Shift, he would not have taken off on a vacation and thus dropped the ball on his mission to ’sell’ his Green Shift to Canadians … you just don’t vanish when you have just started a sales campaign and right in the middle you decide you need a vacation.
A leader leads and informs the nation. If Canadians wanted an education they might listen to Dion .. but if they wanted a leader, they certainly wouldn’t chose somebody who goes on a vacation when the nation needs leadership. Dion is certainly not a leader, and I hope that’s the conclusion he reaches after his vacation is over.
Meanwhile, the forum Liberal trools are babbling incoherently, almost idiotically in the absence of their leader Dion … like aimless creatures desperately scurrying about and gnashing their teeth because they know their leader has failed and their cause is lost.
“Ya’ll have fun here in Busyland Florida now, hear!
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 9:36 pm”
Bill, is your last name Muskoka or do you use it for snob appeal ?
I’m sure it impresses lots of people here.
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 9:54 pm
Unlike you Numbnutz Bill is a respected member of this community .
Something you will never,ever have.Respect .
Were you there in Irag during actual the firefight when the American medic was killed?. Just because his defence lawyers are playing games and trying to defend their client in the media with all kinds of comments doesn’t make him innocent by any means.
By Van on 08.04.08 9:19 pm
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
Van, you are very confused, apparently. The firefight in which the American Special Forces Medic [Spears] was killed by a hand grenade OCCURRED IN AFGANISTAN, not Iraq! There has also been evidence uncovered that indicates that the reports of the firefight were rewritten and doctored later on to incriminate the Kadhr kid. Also Kadhr had 3 rifle bullet wounds including one that left his heart open to the air and it could be seen beating. He was rescued from a firing squad at the last minute by a senior officer so that he could be integrated.
They were executing these rag tag insurgent civilian detainees as illegal combatants in a war zone! During his half decade long detention he has been subjected to several illegal methods of treatment. Read all of the material that is available and it becomes clear that the Geneva Convention Rules have been ignored by just about everyone involved.
If you are so concerned about either of these conflicts, why don’t you join up, train for and go over? You will come back with a very different view of the world.
I have listened to many of the survivors of Viet Nam, Grenada, and the First Gulf War in the past decade at breakfast and supper times in truck stops across this continent. What you know from the media is far from the truth and not any where the whole story. Many of our guys suffer from PTDS which used to be called shell shock, and part of it is guilt for things done and gotten away with but not forgotten! Some of these guys have to regularly spend time with psychiatric therapists to be able to try to live a normal life and be productive. What I have heard would curdle your blood. Some of these guys end up committing suicide.
The Omar Kadhr story is only a small segment of a much bigger story that spans a much longer period of time than most people understand.
What is the right thing to do? Well he was born in Canada, and left before his citizenship could be confirmed by age. Does he deserve to be repatriated and tried in a Canadian Court? Well the Supreme Court just might get to rule on that too!
If we don’t adhere to the rule of law then as a nation we are nothing but bandits and blow hards with zero credibility.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious regarding my previous post. It’s too bad the Liberal wild eyed frothers can’t simply read and understand what has been written before they go spouting off with the personal attacks.
Leasa
By Leasa on 08.04.08 8:38 pm
Life must be grand there on your fantasy farm .
All cows are tagged by law .You live in a rural area and you didn’t know who owned the cow ? Ever heard of a phone ?
Where was it from ,metro-Toronto ?
Your bullshit is unbelievable .
I live in cattle country and know a few things about ranching / farming .
So far Stan, all you’ve provided are quotes from sales pitches.
How about some hard numbers?
Here’s the scenario – the vehicle is a 3/4 ton short box extened cab 4×4 with air conditioning driven for 30,000 kilometres a year as the personal vehicle of a forest industry worker in northern Saskatchewan. What is the annual CO2 output of this vehicle when it is equipped with the optional diesel engine; the comparable output gasoline engine? Include in your figures the CO2 output to produce the fuel and other expendables consumed in that year.
Thanks in advance for the illuminating numbers.
BTW, Arizona emptied their State Mental Hospitals in the 1980’s. Now the patients are known as HOMELESS people. Aren’t you PROUD?
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 9:47 pm
Hey Bill, the bovine is now home. I’m glad because this heifer could cause one nasty car accident and was starting to cost me lots of $$$ by eating my crops. Believe me, the BBQ idea was looking good…
Bill, we did the same thing here in Canada. We have mentally ill people living on our streets and we made it impossible to actually force them off the street and into proper care.
Leasa
Bill, we did the same thing here in Canada. We have mentally ill people living on our streets and we made it impossible to actually force them off the street and into proper care.
Leasa
By Leasa on 08.05.08 7:42 am
Glad the heifer went home. I’ve been around cattle and they can be very aggressive and hence dangerous.
Got some good laughs over it though.
Yes, conservative governments love to deny the true needs of the poorest and most needful in society. They love those Boot Straps, unfornately, the ones so maliciously affected by their ‘decisions’ do not even have shoes, much less boots.
Arizona is a Red State to the extreme. Remember ‘Red’ in the U.S. means RETHUGLICAN!
My response was in reply to the Nut from Florida who was assigned duty to make comments on Garth’s Blog.
Take care Leasa.
Will Green Shift make local produce prices more competitive? How would that work if gas isn’t taxed?
Bill, is your last name Muskoka or do you use it for snob appeal ?
I’m sure it impresses lots of people here.
By Bocanut on 08.04.08 9:54 pm
In your mind (how revealing about your psyche BTW), that would be the reason.
However, my reason is to state where I reside, as in a location, not a status symbol, which BTW only applies to the ‘cottager’ set, not the permanent residents who live here year around.
I live in cattle country and know a few things about ranching / farming .
By Men With Hats on 08.04.08 11:36 pm
With all due respect that is deserved, you are an asshole who knows squat about anything. Since you are such an expert on cattle and all it entails, next time someone has a loose beef can they call you to get close enough to read the 9 digit bar code on it’s right ear? Oh and you can take the farm tag on it’s left ear and trace it? No, really, you should call the OPP and tell them exactly how this goes.
BTW…perhaps you could look for meaningful employment on one of those ranches? LOL
Leasa
Here you go william, a well to wheel analysis of
ghg emissions of all sorts of fuels.
If you look close, you will see the little bar graph thingy is shorter on the diesel than the gasoline.
That means it’s produces less C02.
http://www.mizuho-ir.co.jp/english/knowledge/wtwghg041130.html
There are several other studies that show the same thing, well to wheel, diesel produces less C02 than gasoline.
And Dion wants to tax the cleaner fuel.
Let’s not forget that diesel engines last much much longer than gasoline engines as well.
A well to wheel comparison of different fuels GHG emissions.
Diesel produces less C02 than gasoline.
http://www.mizuho-ir.co.jp/english/knowledge/wtwghg041130.html
Hi Bill-Muskoka on 08.04.08 10:08 pm,
‘Might I recommend you ask, nay, plead for an update to your ‘Talking Points’ flip chart there ate the Death Star!’
Maybe the guy that PMSH just put on the Canadian Science advisery board, Perston Manning(sp?) is also helping advising the CPC on Science stuff?
Candid Reflections says: “..If you are so concerned about either of these conflicts, why don’t you join up, train for and go over? You will come back with a very different view of the world….”
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The vast majority of troops in Afghanistan are strongly in favour of the mission.
So perhaps if you were to go, your view would change.
BTW…perhaps you could look for meaningful employment on one of those ranches? LOL
Leasa
By Leasa on 08.05.08 10:43 am
As always you are an idiot . You live in a rural community and you don’t know who one cow belongs to .
The farmer took another load away and I can tell by the smell it ain’t hay .
It was the Reform Party that used the term “grass roots” and if you look at how the Reform Party worked the “grass roots” had very little control over what the party actually did.
What you are really promoting is that the entire federal government become similar to the Senate: an unelected body that never had to make contact with voters.
C. B. Innes on 08.04.08 6:23 pm
distract, dismiss, deny
I recall saying several times the idea is to get away from party policy running the country instead of the people. I suggest a grassroots government so you come back with an example of a grassroots political party. Of course it failed, it`s a polical party, the very reason why the government has failed, the very thing a nominated government will elliminate.
I honestly don`t know where you dreamed up an unelected lifetime membership of the Senate as some sort of comparision. The entire federal government will be made up of hired, work or fired employees that even your municiple government has selection choices. If a citizens have a problem with federal action the federal government is as close as the municiple offices.
That`s a grassroots gov CB, not a grassroots political party that you`re using as a distraction.
Don`t you think most Cdns are smart enough to see through the distract, dimiss, deny tactics?
“In your mind (how revealing about your psyche BTW), that would be the reason.
However, my reason is to state where I reside, as in a location, not a status symbol, which BTW only applies to the ‘cottager’ set, not the permanent residents who live here year around.
By Bill-Muskoka on 08.05.08 8:56 am ”
The many year round residents I know from the area always say “I’m from Port Carling,Bala,Gravenhurst,etc”.
It’s the same type of snoberry that Toronto people who say they are from “The Beaches”use to stroke their fragile egos.
I’t’s the kind of mindset that a leftist, long-winded, blowhard American would use.
The many year round residents I know from the area always say “I’m from Port Carling,Bala,Gravenhurst,etc”.
It’s the same type of snoberry that Toronto people who say they are from “The Beaches”use to stroke their fragile egos.
I’t’s the kind of mindset that a leftist, long-winded, blowhard American would use.
By Bocanut on 08.05.08 1:53 pm
What a great contribution to this blog!
“What a great contribution to this blog!
By wjp on 08.05.08 3:31 pm ”
My apologies WJP,you’re absolutely right.
I’ll heed the advice of a wiser and better person than myself:
“Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.”
Thanks for the heads up.
What a great contribution to this blog!
By wjp on 08.05.08 3:31 pm
It’s all he has! It is good to know how irritated we make him though. Should have his BP up a good 15 points. LOL
Maybe the guy that PMSH just put on the Canadian Science advisery board, Preston Manning is also helping advising the CPC on Science stuff?
By Greg W., Oakville on 08.05.08 11:35 am
Oh GOOD! Now we can a expect a sequel to ‘Young Frankenstein!’ We already have the role of Abi Normal filled!
By Stan on 08.05.08 10:59 am
Thanks for the links. Perhaps the reason is that diesels are NOT the most common internal combustion engine used by ordinary people? Perhaps because trucks who insist on making long hauls of locally produced and available items are the problem? Transcontinental shipping by trucks is a waste of fuel. Their loads can be containerized and sent by rail, or in the case of very large shipment sent by rail far easier.
Regardless, the problem seems worthy of analysis. I do, however, detect that you have a substanial bias or interest in diesels? Care to explain why it appears that way?
Also, why are the oil companies charging far more for diesel than gasoline?
Stan:
Thanks for the link – a very interesting report. Do you know if similar studies have been done on industrial vehicles, or under harsher climatic conditions?
With all due respect that is deserved, you are an asshole who knows squat about anything. By Leasa on 08.05.08 10:43 am
Thanks for saying what I have been thinking.