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		<title>By: Gord</title>
		<link>http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2008/09/23/stand-up-2/comment-page-3/#comment-175601</link>
		<dc:creator>Gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, the Maple leaf meat packing plant that was responsible for 18 deaths so far and a huge recall across Canada was one of 4 self regulated meat packing plants the Harper administration turned over for self inspection by the industry itself in April of this year. (God, I hate liars)

By brain on 09.24.08 7:08 pm 

Brain,

Now that Harper thinks he has a majority the lies are coming thick and fast.  Obviously a report some three years ago had nothing do with a very bad decision that Harper , himself, is responsible for.  

I am sure you are aware that to be truly effective quality assurance must be free of the pressure of price and delivery.  This is fundamental quality assurance.  In the nuclear and food industries this is essential.

Harper either doesn&#039;t understand this or he chooses to ignore it.  Hence his decision to fire Linda Keen and his decision to curtail independent inspection on the floor of the Maple Leaf factory.

Given this and the fact that Harper rules with an iron fist, it follows that Harper, himself, is responsible for 18 deaths and counting. To put it another way, Harper has the blood of eighteen people on his hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, the Maple leaf meat packing plant that was responsible for 18 deaths so far and a huge recall across Canada was one of 4 self regulated meat packing plants the Harper administration turned over for self inspection by the industry itself in April of this year. (God, I hate liars)</p>
<p>By brain on 09.24.08 7:08 pm </p>
<p>Brain,</p>
<p>Now that Harper thinks he has a majority the lies are coming thick and fast.  Obviously a report some three years ago had nothing do with a very bad decision that Harper , himself, is responsible for.  </p>
<p>I am sure you are aware that to be truly effective quality assurance must be free of the pressure of price and delivery.  This is fundamental quality assurance.  In the nuclear and food industries this is essential.</p>
<p>Harper either doesn&#8217;t understand this or he chooses to ignore it.  Hence his decision to fire Linda Keen and his decision to curtail independent inspection on the floor of the Maple Leaf factory.</p>
<p>Given this and the fact that Harper rules with an iron fist, it follows that Harper, himself, is responsible for 18 deaths and counting. To put it another way, Harper has the blood of eighteen people on his hands.</p>
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		<title>By: brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By C. B. Innes on 09.24.08 9:35 pm 

I would agree with that assessment... to a point.

Watching the news tonight, the report the Libs commissioned for a food safety review was received in May of 2005, not March which I found as a contradictory timeline between the CBC link provided below and what I saw on CBC newsworld.  This would have given the Martin government 6 months to impliment the changes recommended by the CFIA.   

As well, the changes that were recommended to the Liberal government might not have been in any way related to the &quot;self created&quot; deregulated changes that the Conservative government implimented to create the Listeria outbreak itself.   

I&#039;m not convinced that the Martin government had the time or the even would have been able to address the issue that spawned 18 deaths from Harpers food inspection deregulations.  

Until the details are made public to us both CBI, (and the devil is in the details) its premature to assume that the Libs put the public at risk with the previous standards used by the CFIA.  

What is clear to me however, is that the meat plant that spawned the Listeria outbreak was one of four meat packing plants that implimented corporate self inspection by Maple Leaf foods in April of this year and that means to me clearly that Harpers changes to the regulations within the meat inspection agency was directly responsible for 18 dead Canadians from Listeria.  

For Harper to say what he said today and blame the previous Liberal government for 18 deaths... well... thats more than an outright lie.  Its an ugly scapegoat smear. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/09/24/harper-ndp.html  

By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 09.24.08 8:06 pm 

Temperance, dude (although I have explored certain options I wouldn&#039;t normally have considered myself, lol).  I&#039;ll explain fully what needs to be done next if Harper should actually ever win a majority in this fine nation but I&#039;ll wait &#039;til after the election results first before walking readers through the necessary steps to keep this nation whole.  

I still maintain a Liberal majority government after all is said and done.  Its an extremely logic based assertion and if I&#039;m wrong, plan B is not weak!  (and then there&#039;s plan C, and D, and E and..)  How would one best put it... keep the barrels empty but keep the powder dry.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By C. B. Innes on 09.24.08 9:35 pm </p>
<p>I would agree with that assessment&#8230; to a point.</p>
<p>Watching the news tonight, the report the Libs commissioned for a food safety review was received in May of 2005, not March which I found as a contradictory timeline between the CBC link provided below and what I saw on CBC newsworld.  This would have given the Martin government 6 months to impliment the changes recommended by the CFIA.   </p>
<p>As well, the changes that were recommended to the Liberal government might not have been in any way related to the &#8220;self created&#8221; deregulated changes that the Conservative government implimented to create the Listeria outbreak itself.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that the Martin government had the time or the even would have been able to address the issue that spawned 18 deaths from Harpers food inspection deregulations.  </p>
<p>Until the details are made public to us both CBI, (and the devil is in the details) its premature to assume that the Libs put the public at risk with the previous standards used by the CFIA.  </p>
<p>What is clear to me however, is that the meat plant that spawned the Listeria outbreak was one of four meat packing plants that implimented corporate self inspection by Maple Leaf foods in April of this year and that means to me clearly that Harpers changes to the regulations within the meat inspection agency was directly responsible for 18 dead Canadians from Listeria.  </p>
<p>For Harper to say what he said today and blame the previous Liberal government for 18 deaths&#8230; well&#8230; thats more than an outright lie.  Its an ugly scapegoat smear. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/09/24/harper-ndp.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/09/24/harper-ndp.html</a>  </p>
<p>By PYOTR PETROBITCH on 09.24.08 8:06 pm </p>
<p>Temperance, dude (although I have explored certain options I wouldn&#8217;t normally have considered myself, lol).  I&#8217;ll explain fully what needs to be done next if Harper should actually ever win a majority in this fine nation but I&#8217;ll wait &#8217;til after the election results first before walking readers through the necessary steps to keep this nation whole.  </p>
<p>I still maintain a Liberal majority government after all is said and done.  Its an extremely logic based assertion and if I&#8217;m wrong, plan B is not weak!  (and then there&#8217;s plan C, and D, and E and..)  How would one best put it&#8230; keep the barrels empty but keep the powder dry.  <img src='http://www.garth.ca/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Men With Hats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Men With Hats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“NOYB”-Garth

Thanks for the response, Garth!

Sometimes refusing to answer a question is an answer in iself.

By Simon on 09.24.08 7:29 pm

And sometimes it means NOYB .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“NOYB”-Garth</p>
<p>Thanks for the response, Garth!</p>
<p>Sometimes refusing to answer a question is an answer in iself.</p>
<p>By Simon on 09.24.08 7:29 pm</p>
<p>And sometimes it means NOYB .</p>
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