About the time Stephane Dion and Jack Layton were sitting down to birth a government in Ottawa, the stock market was committing suicide in Toronto. The TSX collapsed more than 800 points, for the biggest single-day dive since the world ended back in October 1987.
Some idiot reporters and Bay Street opportunists were quick to draw a straight line between the two events, a theme which you can be sure will be on the lips of the soon-to-be-former prime minister, Stephen Harper. Bet on it: Harper and Jim Flaherty will be using the next few days to warn that if they are not running the place the markets will continue to crumble, RRSPs will vanish, pension plans will evaporate, the dollar will collapse and scores of Canadians will be SOL as foreign investors vanish and factories shutter.
So, let’s dispel some of those myths now.
The markets tanked today for some very good reasons, like:
* Confirmation the US economy is in recession, and has been in that sad state for an entire year, since December, 2007. The Yanks in decline, of course, is nothing but bad news for their biggest supplier, that little country to the north where people have a nice standard of living thanks to the capitalists down there.
* Dismal projections for American retail sales as the all-important holiday shopping period kicks off. The US economy depends for 70% of its activity on consumers, and they are in one ugly mood.
* Crashing commodity prices. Gold, base metals, ag products and oil – everything is being dumped as investors expect global demand to shrink in the next few months.
* On the Toronto market, it was crude especially that robbed billions of dollars in just a few hours. Oil at $50 or less is a national disaster and an Albertan nightmare. Sorry, cowboys.
* News that American manufacturing is in freefall. The worst numbers since 1948 show that hundreds of thousands, probably millions, more jobs will be lost next year.
* And in New York, the Dow dropped almost 700 points, or the better part of 7%, even as Barack Obama grabbed the microphones and introduced more members of his presidential cabinet.
In short, markets would have hit the flush button whatever happened in Ottawa. Therefore some of the comments coming out of the bank towers were simply rash, imprudent and damaging. Chief among the Chicken Littles seemed to be TD Securities economist Eric Lascelles, who told anyone who’d listen that “the uncertainty of a new three-party coalition could prompt flight-to-safety flows in Canada.” He then blabbed on to media, saying, “foreign investors in particular are not going to be comfortable investing in a place where the leadership is unknown.”
As opposed to what? A place where the leadership is incompetent?
Where the national government went from a $12 billion surplus to a deficit in less than three years? Where the wrong taxes were cut, gutting federal revenues, just when families and factories needed serious help? Where the prime minister lied to Canadians during an election campaign, and gained false support? Where, in the midst of an economic meltdown – and when governments around the world were scrambling to shore up their nations – our government did nothing except try to screw more power out of its political opponents?
Face it, Mr. Lascelles and those who bow to the status quo, if this was a Canadian disaster, the currency would not have experienced a normal daily fluctuation of half a cent, it would have crashed five or seven cents. But, no, just twitches.
The crisis we all face is dramatic and escalating. House prices will be descending over the course of 2009, as the ranks of the jobless increase. Our American partner is in a downward spiral, and already spending historic amounts to try to stop deflation. Obama may be able to save the nation, but maybe not. This, therefore, may be precisely the time for Canada to have change, hope and competence.
In any case, the end of our disastrous experiment with the Reform Party is nigh.
Seven days.
Conservative Party statement:
On October 14, 2008 Canadians rendered a clear judgment in the Federal Election.
Stephen Harper and the Conservatives promised strong, certain leadership to protect Canada’s future in a time of unprecedented turmoil. Canadians passed judgment on Stephen Harper when they awarded the Conservative Party a strengthened mandate.
In the same election Stéphane Dion and the Liberals promised a massive new carbon tax that would strangle Canada’s economy. Canadians passed judgment on the Stéphane Dion and the Liberals who received their lowest public support since Confederation.
In the same election voters passed judgment on Jack Layton and the NDP who once again peddled and outdated socialist ideology and put thousands of jobs at risk by driving up taxes by tens of billions of dollars. Canadians passed judgment on Jack Layton and the NDP who were relegated to a distant fourth in the House of Commons.
Voters offered no mandate to Stéphane Dion and the Liberals to govern the country. They offered no mandate to Jack Layton and the NDP to influence the economy. Voters offered no mandate for the Liberals and NDP to form a coalition government – and in fact, the Liberals ran against such an arrangement.
And voters certainly offered no mandate for the Liberals and NDP to form a formal coalition with the separatist Bloc Quebecois – a movement dedicated to the destruction of the county. Yet that is what the opposition are promising.
A government led by Prime Minister Stéphane Dion. The socialist NDP running the economy. And Bloc Quebecois having a veto over all policies while they continue to destroy Canada.
It is the opposition’s choice to oppose the government. It is their choice to embrace Quebec Separatists. But not with out a mandate.
The Liberals, NDP and separatist must first face the Canadian voters. Otherwise any coalition will be an illegitimate regime without any mandate to govern.
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Globe and Mail Update
December 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM EST
Liberal Party Press Office
New Democratic Party Press Office
Bloc Québécois Press Office
Monday, December 1, 2008
To our fellow citizens,
Canada is facing a global economic crisis. Since the recent federal election, it has become clear that the government headed by Stephen Harper has no plan, no competence and, no will to effectively address this crisis. Therefore, the majority of Parliament has lost confidence in Mr. Harper’s government, and believes that the formation of a new Government that will effectively, prudently, promptly and competently address these critical economic times is necessary.
The contrast between the inaction of Mr. Harper’s government and the common action taken by all other Western democracies is striking. We cannot accept this.
A majority of Canadians and Quebecers voted for our parties on October 14, 2008. Our Members of Parliament make up 55 per cent of the House of Commons.
In light of the critical situation facing our citizens, and the Harper government’s unwillingness and inability to address the crisis, we are resolved to support a new government that will address the interests of the people.
Today we respectfully inform the Governor General that, as soon as the appropriate opportunity arises, she should call on the Leader of the Official Opposition to form a new government, supported as set out in the accompanying accords by all three of our parties.
Respectfully,
Hon. Stéphane Dion Leader,
the Liberal Party of Canada
Hon. Jack Layton Leader,
the New Democratic Party of Canada
Gilles Duceppe Leader,
the Bloc Québécois
Very nice letter.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average was down -679.95 points today. Was that caused by the news of Canada’s new Coalition government?
I didn’t think so.
Garth,
You, as usual, nailed reality right to their foreheads.
Well it seems the three amigos are even telling what the Governor General to do. They fail to realize that they could call for an election if she so chooses. Not very likey mind you but she could.
Nice dispelling of some of the rubbish we are going to be hearing from these soon-to-be-not-the-government CPCers.
I will believe this is for real once the GG asks for an alternative to the current party, until they I am cautiously optimistic.
So how about addressing the commentors on your blog Friday, who were congratulating the upward plunge of the TSX due to the recent coalition talks. Would you call those commentors idiots as well?
No talk of upward plunges here. This is a family blog. — Garth
In any case, the end of our disastrous experiment with the Reform Party is nigh.
By Garth.
What Reform party Garth? They only exiost in your mind.
Some idiot reporters and Bay Street opportunists were quick to draw a straight line between the two events,By Garth.
How the hell would you know if they are wrong and you are right. Prove it. It seems everyone who disagrees with you are idiot.
Here have Dion who soon may be the PM. First he was rejected by the voters then he was rejected by his own party. Now he walks on water according to Garth. My My how power changes ones perception.
Say good night, Van. — Garth
Oh, and I am smiling as I did when Barack Obama won the election in the States. FINALLY, Change I Can Believe In!
This is what a True Democracy should be like. Where the MP’s come together to work for the betterment and security of ALL Canadians, not the few psychotic ones who live by ideology, not reality.
Even they will be given consideration, but with a sound mind, and careful thought.
The Economic Panel is OUTSTANDING! Dim Jim had better keep his Lawyer’s License current, because he will be returning to Ambulance Chasing for a living.
Bay Street and Wall Street are experiencing WITHDRAWAL, and maybe, just maybe, some caring souls will provide a Free Needle Clinic for them to ease their torment?
I haven’t been this happy since the day before the Paul Martin was turfed out of office. This is truly a wonderful thing that’s about to transpire in Ottawa. Former foes united by a common purpose – to get the country back on track. It seems even M. Duceppe agrees that where Canada goes, so goes Quebec. Amazing that three forward-thinking can put this together in a matter of days, when an arrogant, egotistical Prime Minister can’t even dream of it.
Mr. Harper? It’s Canada calling. We’re taking our country back.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average was down -679.95 points today. Was that caused by the news of Canada’s new Coalition government?
I didn’t think so.
By Brent Fullard on 12.01.08 6:36 pm
The Dow is USA so it would most definitely not be affected by Canada’s Political crises. However the TSX drop of 864 points most as affected because we all know that they are affected negatively by political crises as we have now. Of Course Turner will disagree and he calls anyone who disagrees with him on this issue idiots.
“In any case, the end of our disastrous experiment with the Reform Party is nigh.”
Thank God the west is finally finished with this disastrous experiment in corruption. We didn`t give you a handful of unelected unaccountable lawyers decide our rights and freedoms. Nor did we create an illegitimate government in breaking the rules of Confederation with an illegal tax. The same goes for adscam, HRDC, the gun registry or even the 40 year 0 down mortgage as the Reform Party needed the support of the HoC to pass it.
We didn`t rape the forest by increasing raw log exports to fill government coffers or turn Ontario into a have-not province. We did not create the highest number of parent denied children in Cdn history or Conrad Black, Nortel or BRE-X.
We did not decimate fisheries, alienate the US corrupt the media.
Having said all that I`m sure the reformers willingly accept your insults as ammunition for the betterment of Canada.
Canadas elected Prime Minister with 37% support will be replaced with a negotiated Prime Minister. Should a Prime Minister win do to election results, or negotiation results? Garth, which scenario is the most democratic of the 2?
“The Liberals, NDP and separatist must first face the Canadian voters. Otherwise any coalition will be an illegitimate regime without any mandate to govern.’
It`s already an illegitimate government thanks to an illegal tax on the people so what`s the reformers point?
Of Course Turner will disagree and he calls anyone who disagrees with him on this issue idiots.
By Van on 12.01.08 6:54 pm
Ah, but I am not Garth. You are a Troll ASSHOLE Van. How’s that fluster your feathers?
No talk of upward plunges here. This is a family blog. — Garth
If this was a family blog, did you happen to read the comments on Leasas underwear, or lack of and possible contents of on Fridays comment section? This blogs comments section should be rated NC 17 if ratings were to be given out.
You forgot to mention Bernanke announcement about the Fed buying treasuries. I concur with you about the markets Mr. Garth. Markets don’t care who’s in power as long as it’s a stable government. What we’ve seen these last few days is not stable.
I know the coalition won’t have all the answers. I do feel like I can expel the breath I’ve been holding since Harper won this last government. Thank you.
It was great to watch history in the making this afternoon.
A strand of three is not easily broken. There isn’t a thinking Canadian out there that doesn’t want this to work.
We will know soon enough. Let’s hope that this will be the demise of Mr. Harper and his left-wing buddies. There is no room for them in our democracy.
About M. Dion as INTERIM Prime Minister…
He is now on th record that he will step down once the LPC have their leadership vote. Hard to call him a “power grabber”, eh?
M. Dion laughed at himself in reference to Green Shift, and said he would NOT implement a carbon tax.
M. Dion’s crowning achievement up to now was gaining consensus on a climate change strategy. He managed to get WORLD LEADERS, each with their own agenda and mandate, to find common ground, establish a policy, and reach agreement. Sounds like good coalition building to me!
I cannot think of a single other active Canadian politician who can equal that milestone.
At this point, there is no better choice than M. Dion!
It must have been as refreshing to others of any political stripe to see elected leaders speak on common issues and answer questions directly in a most professional manner. The questions were heard as was the answers. (Harper last try at this was to turn his back and storm off) It now appears we will have true accountability even for those non believers…. and it appears y’all may finally get your “Triple E Senate” beit under new rules of selection. I think should Harper stand down and allow conservative members to stand on their own two feet allowing them to grow in parliament rather than wither, but more than Harper must leave because the insiders will not give up easily.. and the insiders know who they are. We will see but I fear Harper will not go easy or he may fall on his sword as history has shown many dictators have, so those who are close to him should you read this keep an eye open.
By Van on 12.01.08 6:54 pm
a question? Do you think Harper would have won the election if he had told the truth? e.g–defict was coming?,that truthfully our banks were not sound (75 billion later),our economy was stable (when it wasn’t)?,job creation numbers were not realistic?,that he actually had no intentions of working with the opposition?,etc,etc,.Harper told the people what they wanted to hear-for votes! He got votes with dishonesty–the opposition parties told the truth (obviously) and were defeated by Harper’s minority government.Honesty is and always will be the best policy so not a very tough choice for what is the best for Canada.Anyone who has confidence in the Harper Government is seriously misinformed and extremely gullible!
Of Course Turner will disagree and he calls anyone who disagrees with him on this issue idiots.
By Van on 12.01.08 6:54 pm
Ah, but I am not Garth. You are a Troll ASSHOLE Van. How’s that fluster your feathers?
By Bill-Muskoka (not anymore) on 12.01.08 7:06 pm
The following is a direct quote from Garth above comment to support my position of him calling people who disagree with him idiots bbtw, he has also called me an idiot on at least three occasions. I am also citing a direct quote evidence as well for you to ponder.
Quote:
“Some idiot reporters and Bay Street opportunists were quick to draw a straight line between the two events”
Bill you really should take a Valium to settle down you could get high blood pressure which would not be good for people of our age.
Say good night, Van. — Garth
Sorry, no can do. Check you clock Garth as it is not night here.
Pick-up on Garth’s comment that this is the last of the Reformers – the Conservatives can now elect a true conservative to lead the party in the next election – what a relief!
We will know soon enough. Let’s hope that this will be the demise of Mr. Harper and his left-wing buddies. There is no room for them in our democracy.
By cricket on 12.01.08 7:12 pm
Left-wing buddies???? Typo perhaps. If not who are the left-wing buddies are you referring to?
Here I thought it was the three “left-wing” buddies who are about to seize power.
Garth
The government of Canada will consider all options to stop the coalition.
Maybe:
House arrest for treason – Dion, Layton and Duceppe.
Or:
Banishing the GG to Baffin Island so she cannot give a decision.
How about:
Locking all dissenting Members of Parliament in Centre Block until they yell uncle.
Best Case:
Declare the constitution invalid and outlaw party membership in all political parties other than the Conservative Party.
Okay I’m kidding but Mr. Harper is signalling he will prorogue Parliament as I predicted even though he has lost the confidence of the House. This still is a mess of the P.M.’s own design – do the right thing GG or he may try the above.
Yes, a 30 Billion cash infusion……..for more building of infrastructure such as homes, to only increase the supply and further drive down housing prices……
The west gets kicked in the nuts again as the Toronto party steals power.
Fitting exit for Mr. Dion as he leaves the country with not only a constitutional crisis but probably a unity crisis too.
Bottom line is Harper miscalculated. And it was a massive miscalculation….
That kind of stupidity and arrogance makes me nervous. How can we rely on a guy who is so apparently clueless?
A coalition of the NDP and Liberals with support from the Bloc! If this scenario was presented to the electorate as an option during the election, Harper would have got his majority.
What a banana republic we live in. I used to like the idea of a minority government – no more now that the losers band together to brew something like this.
By Marc: Canadas elected Prime Minister with 37% support
Ummmm, wrong, Canadians do not elect Prime Ministers they elect Members of Parliament among whom one is chosen to be the representative to the crown. That representative, the first among ministers, must assure the crown that they can command the confidence of the house. When that confidence cannot be assured the crown is completely within its rights to seek another representative who can.
Garth,
Great job on CTV tonight.
Great job.
Glad you’re still around.
I saw you on CTV NewsNet tonight, Mr. Turner. You were really good. The Conservatives have become (more) pathetic.
What a gong show that was. Do they not have the ability to turn on/off mic’s over there at ctv.
… weak reporting.
GOD HELP US!! If the three stooges are allowed to carry out their coup d’etat. We had an election and it was decided. Dion was made a fool of. This coalition is nothing more than revenge.
Just watched you on CTV.. What a loser that Levent is.. No class.. no wonder they cannot work with others.What a representative of the NEW GOVERNMENT THAT IS NO MORE
Canada is turning into a banana republic.
What a disgrace and a truly sad day in our history.
Canadas elected Prime Minister with 37% support will be replaced with a negotiated Prime Minister. Should a Prime Minister win do to election results, or negotiation results? Garth, which scenario is the most democratic of the 2?By Marc on 12.01.08 7:04 pm
The Mr Dion now has support of 60 plus % of members elected to the HoC. That is democracy
Garth,
Great Job on C.T.V.
“Harper get your BAGS packed”.
Canadians are taking over 24 Sussex Drive.
From the shores of the east coast to Vancouver Island.Canadian’s wants action not Harper and the clowns in Ottawa.Harper guess what Garth’s back.
And he is fighting for Canada.
Power of the people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets see what happens I well bet Garth’s little greedy paws that the next election we will have a conservative majority. Hey Garth your a flip flopper and you have really bad hair. Oh yes your a looser too.
Keep talking. You are making the case for a Canada without Cons. — Garth
And voters certainly offered no mandate for the Liberals and NDP to form a formal coalition with the separatist Bloc Quebecois – a movement dedicated to the destruction of the county. Yet that is what the opposition are promising.Conservative Party statement:
Stephen Harper did the same thig except he could not make it happen.
I cannot think of a single other active Canadian politician who can equal that milestone.
At this point, there is no better choice than M. Dion!
Amen to that.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that there would be no coalition without Dion at the helm. And it is yet another statement to him and his integrity for getting this together and allowing the will of the people to be expressed.
I personally feel it is a shame that the leadership race will continue in May 2009 instead of waiting for the duration of the coalition.
And I also feel that depending on how things go in the next week or so, we will be witnessing the fragmentation of the CPC between the level-headed and the kooks…one can only cross their fingers…
Austin
P.S. Garth (or anyone), have you read the “ascension of money”?
Cricket, you need to learn the political landscape before commenting. Harper does not have “left-wing buddies”. The CPC is a centre-right party. The BlocLibDipper coalition are the ones with “left-wing buddies”.
Wow – there are some angry comments at the major news sites.
The failure to educate our students in how a parliamentary system works is the fault of our school boards.
The failure of this government is the fault of Stephen Harper’s, his need for power and control and his lack of understanding led to his demise .
The 40% of Canadians who didn’t vote – blame yourselves.
What happened today is not a coup – it is our democracy working.
The dictatorship is almost over. It’s up to the GG and Mr. Harper to end it respectfully and gracefully.
Go in peace Mr. Harper.
Garth, with respect to the new coalition :Treason is only spelled one way. Time for canadians to vote or the coup has happened.
The Cons had a minority government, able to govern only so long as they had the confidence of others. That is gone. By Harper’s own actions. — Garth
I sense profound ignorance about the constitutionality of coalition governments in the Canadian parliamentary system and fear the Cons will exploit this to the utmost. Here’s hoping sane, rational heads get out there and make it clear that this is the way the system works when the Opposition has lost confidence in the government. Politics 101 – where are you???
Where does one find the specifics of the “coalition’s agenda”?
Marc
You’re not saying Garth allows some severely inappropriate comments to make it to print are you? As you recall he indicated that personal attacks won’t be tolerated from anyone.
As a long time liberal supporter, I am disgusted by this move. Any coalition with the separist party is unacceptable.
How did you feel about Harper’s three budgets passing, only becase of BQ support? Were you disgusted them? — Garth
As I understand it, Garth, Harper still has one more move – to proprogue parliament and start over with a new throne speech. Prentice has apparently just said the party will “explore all options”. Do you expect they’ll try it? And what, in your opinion, would be the result?
Garth I am about as big a fan of yours as they come. I recommend this site as well as the greaterfool to everyone I know. however I think your hatred for harper is blinding you on this issue.
As a proud Canadian I would NEVER agree to form a coalition with the Bloq. I don’t care if Harper would have done it in 2004 or not. Proud Canadians would not get in league with people who want to destroy our nation.
Then learn the facts. The BQ will not be in government and have no cabinet influence. BTW, did you feel the same when Harper’s budgets passed only because of BQ support? Don’t fall for this spin. — Garth
Re: Conservative statement.
And once again, the Conservatives were returned with a minority. The ONLY MANDATE for a minority government is to work with the opposition parties, to lead but not dictate.
Harper has chosen to do the latter. That was not the mandate he was given. Now the wheels of our democracy are turning, and Harper will soon find himself on the outside.
Harper’s had his chance and muffed it.
To all of you rubbing your hands in glee over this coup d’etat, let me ask the dumb question: what kind of deal do you suppose the Bloc secretly extracted in return for their acquiescence to this so-called coalition?
We’re giving them Oakville. — Garth
Here’s hoping sane, rational heads get out there and make it clear that this is the way the system works
No it is not. The Liberals + NDP still have only 114 MPs. Much less than the CPCs 143. The only way to get anything done is to allow the Bloc, a separatist, regional party to have a veto over everything that gets done at the federal level, while completely ignoring 143 MPs.
This is a disgrace. The kind of disgrace that the Liberal party will not recover from in decades.
Oh and one other thing…I find it ironic that Dion would chastise Harper during the election campaign for spending too much and now justify this abominable BlocLibDip coalition on the grounds he’s spending too little.
As a long time Liberal supporter I am thrilled by this move. Any continuation of a dysfuntional minority Con government is unacceptable.
Finally, a Parliament for the people.
Joy and jubilation! Things ARE looking up! Anyway, hopefully the litigious neo-cons won’t find some excuse to hold up the works.
If they try to prorogue the House, they really will look like they are doing a cut and run.
They are trying their old tricks again — dropping into derogatory statements provocative words like “poisonous alliance”, “secret back-room deals”, “socialist/separatist alliance”, “undemocratic plotting”, etc., etc. and trying to divide the three parties by dredging up old characterizations of one party by the other in times of debate about particular issues. Prentice saying the Bloc supports only the breakup of our country is another way to try to divide and conquer. They do not acknowledge that maybe the Bloc supports some things the other parties support. In fact, in most contentious issues, it is the neo-cons who are out of step with the rest of the country, hence this coalition.
They fear-monger, saying such things as the Bloc and/or the NDP will be in a position to influence finance. Actually, the Liberals will hold this area. Raitte (sp?) said the Bloc would hold veto power.
Promises and just saying,”We’re getting the job done” while we are getting jobbed, doesn’t get the job done! How many times and from how many different Conservative ministers did we hear this in reference to action on climate change? And they pounced on Dion for doing infinitely more in eighteen months and then they canceled his programs and reintroduced a few weaker versions.
High hopes! Allow me this, so near near Christmas time, Van et al.
M. Dion’s crowning achievement up to now was gaining consensus on a climate change strategy. He managed to get WORLD LEADERS, each with their own agenda and mandate, to find common ground, establish a policy, and reach agreement. Sounds like good coalition building to me!
I cannot think of a single other active Canadian politician who can equal that milestone.
At this point, there is no better choice than M. Dion!
By maybe Rhino? on 12.01.08 7:17 pm
as i recall, his crowning achievement was booking another meeting.
I hope finally that the Reform Party will learn about Democracy, and taste it’s effectiveness.
“The people” can come together as one. So can our Leaders. My Canadian pride may be back on track.
Mr. Harper,
Once the Democracy genie is out of it’s bottle, it is very hard to put it back in.
On the drop of the TSX: I’ve now heard three market reporters say it was mainly because of the big drop in oil and gold prices but Garth has given a more complete picture.
Good job on the CTV panel Garth. Ezra is quite a piece of work. He handicaps himself by using only four senses. Hearing may be an asset to him if he decides to someday use it. A short time later Baird was predictably shocked, appalled etc. and his talking points I’m sure will be echoed by the rest of the crew. Ironic that Steve lost his majority by trashing the arts community and then scripts this drama. Joe Clark is smiling.
You, as usual, nailed reality right to their foreheads.
By Bill-Muskoka (not anymore) on 12.01.08 6:38 pm
Where’s there’s no sense, there’s no feeling.
I doubt they even felt the nail!
“.. there is no better choice than M. Dion!”
Amen to that.
BY AUSTIN SO ON 12.01.08 8:25 PM
I wholeheartedly agree.
In Mr. Dion we’re getting a very forthright and intelligent man who has the ability to unite people. I talked to a Senator several months ago who has been on both sides of an issue working with Mr. Dion, and he said there is no better person to work with, and no one more honest, hard-working, and dedicated to Canadian’s best interests.
You’re not saying Garth allows some severely inappropriate comments to make it to print are you? As you recall he indicated that personal attacks won’t be tolerated from anyone.
By Simon on 12.01.08 8:37 pm
Simon, was that the first time, second time, or the latest time he asked for some decorum?
“Xxxxx, you are so full of SHIT we can smell it here. You don’t know communism from your soiled undies.” by name withheld to protect the accused on 11.28.08 4:24 pm
This comment was approved, so either Garth agrees with it, missed it and this is not the family blog he leads us to believe it was.
How the hell would you know if they are wrong and you are right. Prove it. It seems everyone who disagrees with you are idiot.
By Van on 12.01.08 6:46 pm
Let me explain it to you. Now follow the bouncing ball, its not that difficult to understand.
Since when has Canadian politics affected the DOW, Van?
The DOW was down almost 700 points. Why? Because concerns about the slowing US economy. They couldn’t care less about the state of the Canadian Government.
Since the majority of our exports go south, the demand for them is dropping as their economy slows.
These exports are resources in the main, oil and minerals, which just happen to have the heaviest weightings on the TSX.
So is it any wonder the TSX dropped?
No, and it had little, if anything, to do with the coalition.
Now of course, Harper will say as you have, that the drop was due to the coalition pact. Shows what sort of economist he is, doesn’t it? Pathetic.
You’re not saying Garth allows some severely inappropriate comments to make it to print are you? As you recall he indicated that personal attacks won’t be tolerated from anyone.
By Simon on 12.01.08 8:37 pm
Simon, was that the first time, second time, or the latest time he asked for some decorum?
“Xxxxx, you are so full of SHIT we can smell it here. You don’t know communism from your soiled undies.” by name withheld to protect the accused on 11.28.08 4:24 pm
This comment was approved, so either Garth agrees with it, missed it and this is not the family blog he leads us to believe it was.
By Marc on 12.01.08 9:23 pm
Simon & Marc – If you don’t agree with Garth’s protocol why don’t you just go post your comments on the blogging con web sites where I know your comments will be appreciated. If you really think your comments will sway our views you’re delusional.
The Cons had a minority government, able to govern only so long as they had the confidence of others. That is gone.— Garth
We`ll never know if the`ve lost the confidence of the HoC as the vote will be whipped. A lot of nationalist Quebecers voted separatist and I`ll bet they didn`t know it would wind up with veto power after brining down the government with a whipped vote. Then there`s the Lib and NDP MP`s out west, if they vote for this they should be thinking about the repercussions.
I know it sounds slick to say the government have lost the confidence of the opposition but in fact until the HoC vote it`s only the leaders that have signed the document declaring non-confidence.
I wonder how many MP`s will vote yes when they know it`ll result in a $30B stimulus that only a few threads ago you said stimulous would probably not work. I agreed with you, Japan tried massive stimulus in the 90`s, Rae did, and the recent stimulus in the US didn`t appear to have any effect.
It will be very interesting to see how many MP`s will vote in favor of $30B in stimulus that will likely have little effect on global consumers that have spent their way past the ability to pay, when the 3 co-co PM`s just said they don`t know what the parameters of the stimulus are as they don`t know what the fiscal situation is.
Grab power over a lack of a plan but only have the Rae spend your way out plan in the bag, lol, party before country. Obviously there is no plan or it would have been presented during the election, say it ain`t so Garth.
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How did you feel about Harper’s three budgets passing, only because of BQ support? — Garth
The NDP voted nay so they must have been supported by the Libs to pass.
So it sounds like mega bucks trying to get support to send Canada’s government home for an extra long Christmas holliday? Word from Tony Clement is it just might be. Even as this site is openned http://draftjohnbaird.webs.com/
I am totally amazed at the complete lack of understand by the Rightwingers on how our Government works. Either that they do understand but are actively lying about the events in Ottawa today.
Look people, I am not sure if this collation is Harper was not the best man to lead us in these economic times, and the majority of Canadian voters agree with me, the majority of elected MPs agree with me.
Colation Governments are never voted on by public, they only form after the election, and only in a minority Government situation. So all these strawman arguements about Canadian not voting for a collation is bs.
It works like this people.
We elect MPs to parliament, The MPs are our representatives. The MPs choose who is to be PM. If there is a minoroty government a collation can vote no confidence in the Minority ruling party. Understand that? A MAJORITY of MPs vote the government out.
Now at this point several things can happen, a ruling collation or an election.
That in a nut shell is how democracy works in Canada. Too bad Stephen Harper and his neo-clown, harper-bots don’t understand this very basic of civics.
Personally I think it is very good idea to have the Bloc directly involved in Ruling Canada, and after all, they are legally elected, legal citizens and the legal representatives of 1.3 million Canadians,… Or are the CPC suggesting that these people have less legal rights than they do? Because that is exactly what you are saying when question their right to be part of government.
Those of you who are calling this a coup may want to consider a couple of things:
1) Six weeks ago Harper “won” a third minority. Some mandate!
2) In his first minority parliament he muzzled his MPs with the proverbial eight ball.
3) In his second kick at the can he threw my MP out of caucus (see Garth’s infraction in #2). He used the time in office to further his agenda as opposed to furthering the agenda of Canadians.
4) He continues to poke the bear in his brief third term instead of putting the best interests of Canadians above his own partisan agenda.
Sad days are these that a red tory would support a coalition of the liberals and NDP with the support of the the seperatists. Thanks Steve. Your party will thank you later, I’m sure.
SH lacks the humility and ability to compromise required to lead a minority government.
Today the goofy kid with the glasses and a funny accent stood up to the bully and the bully wasn’t prepared…just like childhood…I love it!
On the drop of the TSX: I’ve now heard three market reporters say it was mainly because of the big drop in oil and gold prices but Garth has given a more complete picture.
By Pat G on 12.01.08 9:14 pm
Garth is absolutely right, outside influences on our market. It would be more rational to say the US market showed disapproval and tanked over Obamas selection for State which then dragged down our markets, even that is far from the whole picture. The markets are in tank mode due to broke consumers world wide and I`m sure our new co-co government has the solution, yet to be released, until the`re back in power. We should listen a little closer to what Herb has to say.
the peasants have no credit
Harper will go down in history as the worst PM in Canadian history.
He only has himself to blame for playing games at such a crucial time.
Lets see what happens I well bet Garth’s little greedy paws that the next election we will have a conservative majority. Hey Garth your a flip flopper and you have really bad hair. Oh yes your a looser too.
Keep talking. You are making the case for a Canada without Cons. — Garth
woooo good come back. Thats all you got. Sorry Garth the people will get their chance and for me I’m glad you going to be gone too.
Already gone, baldo. — Garth
Thank you Garth for your insights. I have another question. I understand that if Harper asks the G.G. to prorogue the House, she is under no obligation to do so. She can still ask another MP to lead as PM. Is that correct? Thanks.
If he asks to prorogue, she will. Count on it. — Garth
Bottom line is Harper miscalculated. And it was a massive miscalculation….
That kind of stupidity and arrogance makes me nervous. How can we rely on a guy who is so apparently clueless?
By Glen on 12.01.08 7:55 pm
And clueless he is. I can’t think of a person more deserving then this blundering idiot other than maybe his shadow finance minister Dim Jim Laferty. This combination of dumb or dumber was a blue print for failure right from the get go. It is very sad that Canadians even finds themselves in this very serious situation. But the Pm has only himself to blame. Van its night time now so good night, take a hike go to India. They might love you there. As if anyone could. What I don’t understand with the PM is that he is ignoring the people stranded in Tailan. If he cared anything about our citizens, he would have arranged help for these stranded people. Stevie, some of these people might of been some of your supporters once but ignore them & your toast. Come to think of it, your already in deep doo doo. Do you feel yourself going under? Good. couldn’t happen to a more deserving person. Go play with your friends Stevie, if you have any left. which I very much doubt at this point.
Cheers
We’re giving them Oakville. — Garth
Ha, good one. However, last time I checked you weren’t re-elected. So what’s with the “we” stuff?
Quips aside, taking a general pulse of the blogosphere tonight (including the ones on CBC and CTV), there’s a general sense of disbelief that this is actually happening and it seems to be a 50-50 split for those for and against this so-called “coalition of political opportunism”.
In any case, two things are apparent as I write this:
- the next 7 days will be utterly fascinating to watch, as Canadian political history will be unfolding before our very eyes
- the next federal election, whenever that is, will be even more so.
Which brings me back to the “we” stuff. Given the changing political landscape we’re now witnessing, how long will it be before we see your name on a ballot again?
“.. there is no better choice than M. Dion!”
Amen to that.
BY AUSTIN SO ON 12.01.08 8:25 PM
I wholeheartedly agree.
In Mr. Dion we’re getting a very forthright and intelligent man who has the ability to unite people. I talked to a Senator several months ago who has been on both sides of an issue working with Mr. Dion, and he said there is no better person to work with, and no one more honest, hard-working, and dedicated to Canadian’s best interests.
By barb the proofreader on 12.01.08 9:22 pm
Hi Barb _ I’m usually in bed by now but I stayed awake to watch the National. I agree with you. Am so pleased to see Dion will stay as Leader if the coalition goes thru. I know that Stevie can prorogue but I think he would be seen as a cat chased by a squirrel. I sincerely don’t think that Dion wants to see his portrait in the gallery. Maybe I’m naive, but I truly believe Dion only wants to help average Canadians.
Harper is sure giving Dion, Layton and Duceppe a lot of credit–he thinks they have the ability to lower the price of gas at the pumps–if this is true, I say these guys are exactly what we need–making it more affordable for Canadians to heat their homes and get to work. Thank goodness for the coalition– Gray skies are going to clear up..
It really does come down to Harper’s inability to operate in a non-partisan manner during this economic crisis.
He constantly shoved people around and ignored average Canadian workers. During an economic crisis we needed sound leadership…not Harper’s needless game of Russian Roulette.
I truly think Harper will go down in history as Canada’s worst PM.
Rex Murphy just called him eother dumb or arrogant….I figure both.
Lets see what happens I well bet Garth’s little greedy paws that the next election we will have a conservative majority. Hey Garth your a flip flopper and you have really bad hair. Oh yes your a looser too.
Keep talking. You are making the case for a Canada without Cons. — Garth
By Ray on 12.01.08 8:24 pm
Hey Ray, that fool Harper tried to take power in Canada with a mandate supported by ONE IN FIVE eligible voters, only a complete egomanical, bastard, pretender, looser would try something as boneheaded as taking one in five as a vote of confidence. And Garth has great hair. Think about that you brainless, bald, prick.
The universe is unfolding as it should: the disgrace is being erased. There is only one fly in my oinment, Garth – you’re not part of the action in the HofC.
Wonder how Goldilocks will take her demotion from ministerial bobblehead to simple “honourable member”.
Mr. Harper is signalling he will prorogue Parliament
By Bonnie N BC on 12.01.08 7:48 pm
That won`t happen Bonnie. Mr. Harper will allow the will of the House and then stand back as the west is heard from which I`m happy to report will be loud. Louder than you`ve ever heard it, louder that NEP times, louder than you could possibly imagine. It is the final proof that the system is broken beyond repair and the results over the next few months will be the final nail.
Sry if I sound excited but there`s still time for the west to save itself. Here`s what to look for. The western voice will rise out of the ashes and international investor interest in ppp or other investments will show an increase. The Premiers will show support and the more they show the more investor interest returns. Should they make the proper proposals public (no justice, no investment) with an intent to notify the federal government of it`s illegitimacy in breaking the rules of confederation with an illegal tax investment will pick up dramatically creating job growth. From that point on there is no turning back and your children get to pay back this prosed $30B slush fund.
The Premiers already have this information so I see no reason why the readers of this page and a few others shouldn`t. My opinion, better to save half than lose all.
economic conditions will force the changes required
Garth – Naively I ask, will you be able to put a podcast, or whatever its called, of your interview on CTV Newsnet on your site tomorrow?
By unintended consequences on 12.01.08 10:37 pm
Do you think that will get your children back?
Pretty obvious Death Star is back up and running. Blogroaches creeping out of every hole; trolls from under every rock!!
The CPC really have some truly ignorant followers. I do not mean that derogatorily, rather literally.
Absolutely no knowledge of our government function. Blind to democratic process.
Extremely short memories as to how the BLOC helped the Harperites stay in power. Oh, that was alright since Harpo the not-so-great is not Liberal.
Fear mongering begins.
CPC supporters claim to support democracy, but forget their demi-god was NOT supported by the majority. The majority of Canadians actually voted AGAINST HARPO!
So many people who expose their lack of knowledge, and in indignation demonstrate intolerance, lack of understanding. Lack of class.
Get over it! Harpo blew it! Harpo decide to act like the banana republic dictator HE wants to be. Needs the bananas to feed his monkeys, I guess.
The Opposition gave him the chance – he ignored it and lost his gamble.
Such is life.
We must get rid of the “First Past The Post” doctrine. Harpo has proven how dangerous that can be. No doubt, the anti-Liberal crowd have some merit in saying the Liberals have also taken advantage of this method.
Time for electoral reform. Even Layton pointed out that this coalition was exactly the sort of thing the MAJORITY OF CANADIANS was asking Harpo to help build. Heck, he even mentioned Proportional Representation for gosh sakes!!!
Work together for the benefit of Canada. The sub-prime mini-steer unilaterally forced the hand of the opposition, and now his blind followers want Canada to believe there is a coup going on. I hope they leave all their guns at home (or get ‘em registered!!)
Time for electoral reform… Time for change.
Will the Liberals bring back income trusts as they promised. That would show they really care about the average Canadian.
It would boost the coffers, and boost the market, besides making hundreds of thousands of retirees more comfortable about their retirement.
Once an election is over you expect the focus to be on governing. I think Bill Casey hit the nail on the head when he said that Harper never understood that the opposition was an integral part of Parliamentary democracy. He could never put partisanship aside. He illustrated that by even using the international stage to air partisan domestic baggage.
Extreme partisanship combined with ideology over rode commonsense. The combination of the two was a toxic mix.
I cannot imagine how the coalition will be able to provide stable government but I only hope that the members can pull it off.
The blame for this situation must sit squarely on the shoulders of Stephen Harper.
The universe is unfolding as it should: the disgrace is being erased. There is only one fly in my oinment, Garth – you’re not part of the action in the HofC.
Wonder how Goldilocks will take her demotion from ministerial bobblehead to simple “honourable member”.
By Herb on 12.01.08 10:35 pm
Still not sure that will happen Herb, but sure would love to see it.
Watched At Issue tonight, a special edition. Andrew Coyne was more upset than last week. Mansbridge asked the 3 journalists what the chances of Harer’s govt going down the tubes. Can’t recall the figures, but they were pessimistic. At Isuue will be on CBC site tomorrow. Coyne, of course, is really upset. He’s a real laissez faire guy & is upset that Harper hasn’t followed his true ideology of decimating all Cdn. social policies,
I cannot believe the morons on this blog that think this is a good thing. We now will have the possibility of our country being run by (and this is the first thing I thought of when I saw them at the press conference) Curly, Larry and Mo. Turner for you to support this pure political crassness is truly beyond the pale. The only thing we can pray for is that the GG sees through this and decides to call an election and Harper gets an overwhelming majority. Anyone that thinks this coalition is anything but pure political bullshit should not be allowed to vote. The majority of Canadians will reject this stupidity. At least the honest liberals that post on this blog can see right through this mess.
The blame for this situation must sit squarely on the shoulders of Stephen Harper.
By C. B. Innes on 12.01.08 10:59 pm
That is how many Conservatives see it C.B.
Conservatives ‘fume’ about blunder
OTTAWA–Their blades remain sheathed but astonished Conservatives are quietly fuming about the tactical blunder they fear could toss them into opposition.
And the blame seems to be landing on the prime minister’s doorstep.
Seems Captain Blighe has a Mutiny aboard his good ship Bounty?
Pretty obvious Death Star is back up and running. Blogroaches creeping out of every hole; trolls from under every rock!!
The CPC really have some truly ignorant followers. I do not mean that derogatorily, rather literally.
Absolutely no knowledge of our government function. Blind to democratic process.
Extremely short memories as to how the BLOC helped the Harperites stay in power. Oh, that was alright since Harpo the not-so-great is not Liberal.
By David on 12.01.08 10:56 pm
David, sounds like that final scene in ‘Men In Black’ where Will Smith SQUISHES the COCKROACH and asks the ‘Bug’ ‘Oh, I’m so sorry! Was that your Auntie?’
Rex Murphy just called him eother dumb or arrogant….I figure both.
By Glen on 12.01.08 10:35 pm
Rex did indeed. Reminded me of the scene in ‘Babylon-5′ where Marcus, the Ranger, tells the self-proclaimed Imperial leaders ‘My, my, you have combined arrogance and ignorance. How efficient of you!’
Do you think that will get your children back?
By Go Green on 12.01.08 10:42 pm
Geo
How on earth did you go from the children paying off the proposed $30B slush fund to my children?
The failure to retain attention for the length of a one page post should trouble you. Do you have any other attention or memory problems, it could explain some of your more vivid statements.
Where’s there’s no sense, there’s no feeling.
I doubt they even felt the nail!
By James – Chatham on 12.01.08 9:20 pm
But did the ‘pointy, pointy’ hit their ‘nointy, nointy’?
I have been asking a question for months now that no one will answer and I feel it is ultra important before Dion might actually become our Prime Minister. It concerns his citizenship of France. Everyone looked at it from the aspect of within Canada and out. But, what they miss every time is from France’s perspective. In France it is LAW that a citizen of that country cannot keep their citizenship and work for a foreign government. That is a fact and it is a current active law, you will note; they ruled on the GG saying she could keep her citizenship if she wanted and they gave their reason, they viewed the position of GG as a ‘figurehead position only’. Now, I want to know and all Canadians should know, what was their ruling on Dion when he joined Chretien’s cabinet? What is the deal? Why is it secret? If he becomes PM, what is he and Canada on the hook for with France for that citizenship? It’s important. Would he have to vote with France on all global matters? This question must be answered, Canadians have a right to know.
One of my favourite economic blogs. I dislike economists with a passion so don’t look too much into ‘favourite’ ‘k?
http://rogueeconomistrants.blogspot.com/2008/11/who-ultimately-benefits-from-local.html
I hope Harper is toast.
Maybe the Conservative party will get him before the opposition does.
I hope Jim Prentice comes out the winner. I could support him.
Harper is the reason I left the party two elections ago.
It is so luscious, so incredibly luscious!
OMG Garth, I don’t watch ctv as a rule, but today in passing saw your mug beside Levant. I immediately sent you my condolences. Such an idiot there never was, I think even his mother would agree.
So sorry you had to go through that.
Great picture, the new 3 amigos. I watched QP today and had to give my head a shake, I heard Harpo actually call the Speaker Mr. Prime Minister and then he must have given his head a shake, because then he said Mr. President! What a statesman. First he thought he was talking to himself, then he was having a flashback to his last trip to Whitehouse. The last trip.
The Rally for Canada thingie? Like we know how stupid and uneducated con-cons are, I mean they don’t even understand what true democracy is, but I was just shocked with the complete insensitivity to have their rallys on Dec. 6. Doesn’t that ring a ling? Hopefully activists in Quebec can make both the memorial and the counter-rally. I know I will try to do that in my city.
Coalition for Change! That’s the ticket.
Garth, is it likely that this will result in a revolt in the Conservative ranks? (ie. does this fiasco mean this is the last we will hear of Mr. Harper as Prime Minister?)
I watched you on CTV tonight Garth–good job–or at least the best anyone could do with Ezra Levant shouting them down. I watch the markets, TSX, DOW, oil prices, and it was obvious that the Cdn political system was not the problem today.
As far as CTV goes, I sent them an email tonight voicing my displeasure at the lack of moderation during your interview. I know CTV is CON-owned, but, honestly, having Levant on shows like this and also on Duffy Live, it just boggles my mind. The man is a loud-mouthed bore.
Later I watched Don Newman as he perfectly controlled and moderated his guests. He was in control–this lady on CTV needs some training. Too bad for her, she’s pleasant enough in telling the news, but just out-of-her-league when it comes to interviewing.
On another note, Steve Murphy at ATV News (yes, the guy who was involved in the infamous interview with Dion) interviewed Scott Brison tonight, one-on-one. I was very pleased to see that Brison controlled the interview–not Murphy.
I just watched a rerun of Question Period. My first in a very long time. And I am utterly amazed at what spews out of the government mps. Have they no shame? No character? No morals? No principles? Can they just spew what is given to them or do they also have to believe it? I can’t see how they can believe what they have written on their papers.
This bunch of Reform/Crappers is worse than I though. An utter disgrace to Parliament and to Canada. We are better than this. We really are.
‘My, my, you have combined arrogance and ignorance. How efficient of you!’
By Bill-Muskoka (not anymore) on 12.01.08 11:20 pm – end quote
Lets not forget Harpo the great uniter… He forced the PC into his Reform tent and now he has forced the Liberals, NDP and Bloc to unite into a coalition. LOLOLOLOL
Hi Garth,
Your points are valid. I hate Harper and was thoroughly disappointed when they were elected yet again. But perhaps my issue with the coalition is more a matter of principle of aligning with separatists. I am not privelege to back-room discussions but this smells of severe politicking of the highest order. With all the backroom discussions and posturing that appears to be going on, what do we, the electorate, know about the “confidence of the house” and whether it is truly in the best interests of the country or the best interests of the politicians.
I mean, Dion is a lame-duck, and yet we are going to have this man as our prime minister? It’s one thing to have a lame-duck on his way out as they do in the US, but to have him on the way in seems strange to say the least. My suspicion is that Dion is being thrust forward so that all the main Liberal leadership candidates can distance themselves from this in the event of a disaster.
Thankfully as you point out there will be no BQ representation on the cabinet. That is a consolation. But I say that this coalition should be put to the voters. Either that or our system of electing representatives needs to be revamped immediately. As we all know, except in high-profile ridings (such as your own…which I was disappointed that you lost), the electorate votes for the party of the man (or woman) they want to become prime-minister.
A question for you. Do you really feel that the Canadian Electorate would have voted for this coalition? Are you not worried about the effect this will have on “Western Alienation”? What kind of precedent will this set for future minority governments?
I am not pretending to have all the answers because I clearly do not. I am simply saying that this coaltion scares me.
I do not support any alliance with the BQ, whether it be the Liberals, NDP, or Conservatives. Were it up to me I would ban separatist parties from federal funding and string the bastards up for treason!
I appreciate your comments and thank you for your time and providing this forum! Great work!
You asked if I
Over Garth’s last few posts, I read most bloggers’ comments, and two stand out — one from Pyotr, who had a line plus a link about GD2 which the planet is now on the verge of, and Robert who usually includes the sentence “the system is broken”.
Yes, the system is broken Robert, but in order to fix it (if that is possible), then Pyotr’s link is correct as well, but this must happen first before anyone realizes what needs fixing.
After this has been figured out, then concrete ideas need to be carried out, and I see where your “None of the above” comes into play — no one has had the guts to do anything (except get rich off taxpayers’ backs, which accomplishes zilch).
That is why GD2 will happen first, so folk eventually clue in on what needs to be done, and then do it. It will take time, and quite possibly we won’t even see the results, but something good will come from this mess.
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Earlier, I mentioned the cycle of the number nine, from 1919 on, and next year is 2009. Sooner or later, I figure 1929 will repeat, with GD2 beginning in 2011 or 2012, same as GD1, which started in ‘31 and ‘32. Links of interest . . .
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The ghosts of US administrations past are still alive. Remember Colin Powell said something would happen on Jan. 21 or 22? Look at the date at the top of the report.
For those who were unaware, the number 4 in Chinese signifies death, and that is why Chinese folk usually avoid it. Obama is the 44th President. A different addendum follows. — http://tinyurl.com/6hwxqq http://tinyurl.com/672gfp
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The Russian gentleman says the US will collapse in 2009, not only financially but some States want to separate as well. — http://tinyurl.com/5fgnxc
Hi Barb _ I’m usually in bed by now but I stayed awake to watch the National. I agree with you. Am so pleased to see Dion will stay as Leader if the coalition goes thru. I know that Stevie can prorogue but I think he would be seen as a cat chased by a squirrel. I sincerely don’t think that Dion wants to see his portrait in the gallery. Maybe I’m naive, but I truly believe Dion only wants to help average Canadians.
BY GO GREEN ON 12.01.08 10:15 PM
Hi Go Green, funny I was just up late too, waiting for an email my sister is sending and I noticed your note. You’re certainly not naive. Dion is a very good man. I agree with you totally about Dion. And, I watched the National twice I enjoyed it so much. That LOOK on Harper’s face was priceless! I thought the panel was interesting too, as was their interview with the Independent.
I think I’m catching on.. Harper’s only talent is negative “tactics” which he learned from those people down south, etc. So he has no way of knowing he’s about to make another mistake. Just like McCain’s crazed announcement of Palin, I think Harper will make this mistake of trying to prorogue, because he wants these two months to do negative campaigning against the coalition. Harper only knows how to do one thing, and that is to negative campaign to the uninformed voters. He’s never stopped, so why would he stop now. He just doesn’t know that this time it will do him in.. big time.
Andrew Coyne had the best fantasy scenario, Harper just hands things over like a statesman. Ha!
Harper: The man who united the right and the left..
Talk about a polarizer!!!!!!!
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/546661
Lame duck Liberal leader Dion installed as Prime Minister by the NDP and BQ.
In May ‘09, Liberals will select a new leader who will inherit the position of Prime Minister of Canada.
In neither of these cases have the people of Canada had the opportunity to elect these Liberal leaders to the position of PM.
The Canadian parliamentary system is being exploited to install unelected and unelectable Liberal leader as Prime Minister of Canada.
I cannot believe the morons on this blog that think this is a good thing. We now will have the possibility of our country being run by (and this is the first thing I thought of when I saw them at the press conference) Curly, Larry and Mo. Turner for you to support this pure political crassness is truly beyond the pale. The only thing we can pray for is that the GG sees through this and decides to call an election and Harper gets an overwhelming majority. Anyone that thinks this coalition is anything but pure political bullshit should not be allowed to vote. The majority of Canadians will reject this stupidity. At least the honest liberals that post on this blog can see right through this mess.
By Brian Wilson on 12.01.08 11:08 pm
No worries Brian….there is a ‘real’ world outside this blog. Case in point – check the archives and corresponding blogs along with many of these same individual’s predictions prior to the last election.
A coalition government and the thought of multiple parties working together in the best interest of Canadians certainly sounds appealing but most folks will quickly realize this coalition includes the free spending NDP and a seperatist party that could care less about Canadians!! I wonder when we will see the commercial that has Layton recently “complimenting” (LOL) Dion and the Liberals and vice a versa followed by Duceppe and some past “anti-Canada” comment.
In saying that, I do find it heartwarming to know that these three parties have pushed aside their unique differences in terms of policy and beliefs, forgotten about previous vicious attacks, accusations, and finger pointing on each other, claiming to have kissed and made up and are now heading to the chapel hand in hand in hand? Aw…tugs at the heart strings doesn’t it?
As opposed to what? A place where the leadership is incompetent?
thats it in a nutshell!
We’re giving them Oakville. — Garth
By RM, Oakville on 12.01.08 8:44 pm
And a bag of hockey pucks .Hey ! back in the bag RM.
We will always find faults regardless of which party (Tories or coalition) leads Canada. I think Canada is better off if the Liberals and NDPs find a way to work this out with the Tories…isn’t this supposed to be about an economic stimulus package?!?
Here’s the thing: Nothing’s gonna be settled on December 8…this is gonna drag on till next year….and we’re still not gonna get our economic stimulus….what we’re gonna get instead is another election which is gonna cost taxpayers another $300 million.
All gov’t parties are the same…they put their interests first before the country’s…
By Brian Wilson on 12.01.08 11:08 pm
Surfs up water head .
I share those thoughts. This whole business is unsettling, but one thing is crystal clear, Harper must go. He has unequivocably demonstrated that he cannot be trusted, and all the back-peddling in the world now cannot erase that conclusion. While by its very nature, the coalition that is gelling must be one of compromise, Harper never demonstated in his last term that he is either incapable of, or truly understands, that at its very essence, “minority” means compromise. It is something he wouldn’t even consider. No need to reiterate what we all know about the committee tactics and hardball actions in Parliament. Even before starting this next session, he signalled that he would reintroduce Bills from last session that he considered “watered down”.
I doubt that the momentum can be stopped and the fuse stanched, but for the good of his own party – and ultimately for the country for that matter – Harper should resign both position and seat during the interim, if proroguing or adjournment takes place next week. It’s the only 11th hour rescue I could possibly envision that might work, but I honestly doubt that it’s nothing but too late. Of course Harper has always been way too arrogant to name a Deputy Leader who could assume his position, but the defacto occupant as I read it would be the more moderate Jim Prentice. Someone who would be consultative rather than authoritarian, and truly demonstrate humility and chastisement when he gets it wrong. Even that, however, would be contingent on completely eliminating all illusion of backroom string-pulling by Harper, whether actual or presumed, and that can only be accomplished by his complete withdrawal from politics.
Lightening rods and extremists in any party don’t make for good leaders and do nothing good for the majority of Canadians, only for themselves and their hardcore followers. In my view, the best leader’s of opposing parties are those who are irritating to my own perspective, yet only to the degree that they’re still at least tolerable; ie. I’d rather it be another party governing, but I can live it. Harper, on the other hand, has always been the penultimate prick, his obsession to obliterate Opposition placed at higher rank than governing the country itself. It blinds good judgement. The degree of his hatred really appears to be on the scale of pathological, to the point where it seems he perpetually scheming how to yet again exercise some aspect of that hatred.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Machiavelli has a sacred and prominent place amongst his reference books, pages dog-eared from overuse.
No brass ring. Harper should retire and go finish that damn hockey book he is purportedly writing.
Erratum
From last post, that should read:
While by its very nature, the coalition that is gelling must be one of compromise, Harper demonstated in his last term that he is either incapable of, or truly does not understand, that at its very essence, “minority” means compromise.
What’s the LPC back up plan if the GG doesn’t play ball and instead dissolves the House. Go to the polls with Dion as leader? Happy Jack will be laughing all the way to Stornoway.
Why does this stimulus sound familiar?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGZs6vevDXyg&refer=home
The Liberals, NDP and separatist must first face the Canadian voters. Otherwise any coalition will be an illegitimate regime without any mandate to govern. – Conservative Party of Canada.
I have one question for all the CPC rethoric, which is really the world as the CPC would want it to be. Its also one of the 5W’s journalists are supposed to use, but rarely do when it comes to political rethoric.
Why?
Well, well…listening to what they are saying in the west about this coup, if this happens you can expect a backlash from the west like this country has never seen before. Talk about dividing the country! Oh, I forgot, breaking up the country is now no big deal. On my earlier question regarding Dion’s citizenship from France’s perspective, I emailed an American journalist who is working in France on an English newspaper and this is a quote from her response:
“But back to your original question of “is this fair” and “what does this mean for France.” I think the whole situation wreaks of corruption. As we have seen with Jean and now with Dion, the rules between the two countries are loose at best, and criminal at worst. I suspect that, concerning these two government officials, there are some “personal agreements” taking place. For laws to be bent in this way, I can assume that either someone is being paid off or some rules were never actually documented and officially signed – hence, how they are able to get away with what they are doing now.”
I love the consternation in the ranks of the “Conservatives” and the associated chattering classes.
The Coalition certainly is a threat to our democracy. There truly is no telling what the result of three parties suspending their differences and working together for the perceived common good will be. Good Lord, working with the Socialists and even – gasp – the Separatists! What those Liberals will not do to get back into power – it’s worse than bribing the same Socialists or Separatists to stay in power.
Gentle reminder, folks: a Canadian election does not produce an untouchable PM with dictatorial powers for the term. If voters do not have the perspicacity to give a party an absolute majority, the PM’s tenure is subject to the confidence of the elected members of the House. And if he blows that for whatever reason, it’s time for tea and humble pie in the GG’s office.
Yes, we did not elect a coalition. We also did not elect the Harper who (re)emerged on 15 October having doffed the blue vest and dressed himself in cluelessness as to how to deal with an economic situation he had been denying during the campaign, with Nixonian nastiness thrown in as an accessory. That Harper was the full Monty who did not stand for re-election.
Democracy is unpredictable and messy, but that preserves the ability to react to undesirable developments.
Leasa,
you’re desperate. That “shiny thing over there” – in France, no less – is pretty dull.
Leasa
Your smears and lies are much more obvious than you realize. Take a hike, liars and sleazes like you are much more comfortable in the company of despots like Harpo.
You are beyond two faced. And to prove the point you now resort to quoting “an American journalist who is working in France on an English newspaper” in order to find some way to Smear a good man.
God, you are one sleazy piece of work Leasa.
Hmmm….I’ve heard that Harpos wife haunts this blog….
Ya think????
Sorry I missed you on the CTV panel Garth – I try to avoid CTV news – far too right-leaning; and admittedly had I tuned in and seen Ezra, I would definitely have turned it off – unless I saw you first. The last few days have been remarkably refreshing to those who follow and participate in political science. I regret the lack of knowledge displayed by so many Canadians about their own parliamentary system – the formation of this coalition which has risen from a minority Parliament is the most democractic function possible. I give my hopes to the coalition – and can’t wait for PMSH to just leave. He has single-handedly attempted to destroy so many valued traditions – I can’t help but wonder – when will there be a mutiny in Conservative ranks; when will he be forced out – I can’t seem him doing anything an honourable as resigning; will any Conservative MPs cross the floor – and beware a wolf in sheep’s clothing; and most of all – will the new coalition finance minister – please! be Ralph Goodale – will he find the creative accounting of Flaherty that put Ontario behind the 8 ball the last time he was pushed out of government? So many questions, and for the first time in my life, I have heard people truly talking about and worked up over politics – in Canada! Whether one agrees with the coalition or not – it has awakened Canadians who will hopefully pay more attention and truly learn how our system works. I pray that the GG does her homework well and stands up to PMSH when he comes begging to keep his job – she is now in the driver’s seat once he arrives at Rideau Hall. Great times folks…
I have one question for all the CPC rhetoric, which is really the world as the CPC would want it to be. Its also one of the 5W’s journalists are supposed to use, but rarely do when it comes to political rethoric.
Why?
By James – Chatham on 12.02.08 8:42 am
Their response, just like in QP is ‘Oh, never mind. We are the Chosen and we know best. We have told you what, and all you need to know. Now OBEY! Besides, you know it’s the Liberal’s fault!’
Harper and his band of bozos NEVER give answers, it is beneath their self-proclaimed godlike status. Just like the past THREE YEARS in QP.
Apparently, their mommies and daddies (assuming they had either in the Clone Factory that produces such retarded power perverts?) never taught them the saying about ‘Pointing fingers’? Now, there are four pointing back at their very foundations. Crumbling? Is that crumbling I hear? What a marvelous sound!
The West is in…. we hear in East have been called “Deafest people” and were told we could Freeze after an ice storm… but when in time of Westerner’s need Easterners bundle up half of what they had and sent it out West… and even with what is being said now we still would do it again. So do as you wish… bash the East… talk down our families and children who have moved west for over one hundred years to work and help you survive and yes educate your children we still have compassion and empathy for your well being as Canadians. Bon Chance….
The Canadian parliamentary system is being exploited to install unelected and unelectable Liberal leader as Prime Minister of Canada.
I see Hairy the Horrid has returned with more of his ill-informed, illogical blather.
Hey, Hairy! Try to grasp these three points, as you sit there in Republican RNC HQ messing with OUR Canadian politics.
1. We DON’T elect the PM.
2. Dion WAS ELECTED by not only his party, but by the coalition.
3. All MP’s have been legally, and duly elected by the people.
Perhaps we should all remember that the BQ MP’s are duly elected by Canadians. Yes, they are Canadians. They may want sovereignty for myriads of reasons, but only the fringe elements of their Separatist movement do. They had their Referendum and it FAILED!
Gilles Duceppe is a highly intelligent man. Maybe, finally, having been given fair treatment, Canada will pull together for all Canadian’s benefit?
As to Leech’s comment about the west. Well, they too are Canadians, and while there may be a fringe element there as well, they too are represented. They just are not going to force their ideology on the rest of Canada.
Now, let’s see who has a Leadership Convention first shall we? I think Harper is surely looking for another venue, because his days are OVER. Maybe he can retire with Bush to Texass?
What is obvious to me is that it’s not just Harper. (even though he’s the crazy ringleader…) Jim Flaherty, Tony Clement… They were part of the diaster that was Mike Harris here in Ontario. And now they are ruining Canada. Let’s hope we can get rid of Harper – whether through an election or through a coalition – before he makes an even bigger mess.
The Russian gentleman says the US will collapse in 2009, not only financially but some States want to separate as well. — http://tinyurl.com/5fgnxc
By Charles Oxley on 12.02.08 2:17 am
Ah, a FLASHBACK to those heady days when Nikita Krushchev pounded his shoe on the desk at the UN and declared ‘We will bury you!’
Funny how I watched that live, and thought ‘What does he see, or know about the failings of the U.S. system?’ Now we all know, don’t we? Greed and inbred corruption are like a cancer to any society.
Fortunately, intervention is happening by Dr. Obama, but there will be tissue loss, and probably amputation to save the patient’s life.
Imagine, turning back the clock? The Original 13 Colonies become part of Canada. Lousiana goes to France. Texas through California are returned to Mexico. Florida goes back to Spain, or Cuba. Canada gets another shot at buying Alaska, but only at a discounted price and minus Sarah Palin. The prairies are returned to the Native Americans. Yes, this could be the North American equivalent of the Soviet breakup, our very own Bosnia. All those Mexican hating, Bible Thumping Texans can migrate to Alberta, but man will they get a shock when winter comes, eh? I can hear them now ‘Pardner, that is not what I thought you meant when you told us you have lots of Chili weather?’
Surely, the U.S. has a Dim Jim who would sell off the assets to cover their errors, like Dim Jim wants to do to cover his. But they better move really fast because next month Bush and his entourage of Harper like morons are GONE!
By Ben on 12.02.08 9:05 am
Sorry if the question scares you Ben. It should scare you. What I said is 100% true. If savant idiot Dion (liberal member name for him btw) is going to be our Prime Minister we have a right to an honest answer to this question. I have written the Canadian Embassy in France asking this very question. However, if they do have a deal with Dion that included spying, I know I will not get an answer. Sad state of affairs. Leasa
WOWSERS! Leecha has written the Embassy in France. Boy, I bet that got their immediate attention because we all know how impotent Leecha is.
Looks like the Death Star Troll Patrol is re-employed (The REAL, and only economic stimulus plan Harper has for Canadians). Terminals are named after the donator and anyone using them posts their comments based on the Terminal’s name.
Note: To qualify one must undergo a Brain Electro-Shock Therapy session just to make sure they are properly integrated into the Harper mindset (obviously an oxymoron because it infers they have a mind). Then after they drink the Blue Kool-Aide to cure the shaking and convulsions.
Good Lord, is the National Compost ever showing their blatant BIAS this morning!
Future looks bleak for PM, Tories
The Conservatives are running out of options to forestall the founding, under the Liberal-NDP-Bloc Quebecois accord, of the world’s coldest banana republic.
The rest of this ‘opinion piece OS’ attempts to be rational, but this statement clearly is the one the Harperites will read and remember.
And, of course, Don Martin (Hey, wasn’t he the artist that drew ‘Spy vs: Spy’ in MAD Magazine?) has his deflated 1.23 cents worth of Rethuglican Rhetoric.
A three-headed monster is born
The biggest Liberal loser in the party’s electoral history, a self-admitted campaign failure who advocated carbon taxes as sound economy policy and lacks significant Western Canada representation, seems set to become prime minister next week.
Forgive them. They know not what they’ve done.
And more tripe to read, if you need to PUKE!
By Bill-Muskoka (not anymore) on 12.02.08 11:24 am
Bill, why does such a simple question scare you? BTW, there is no reason to be insulting. I used to think better of you, but lately you have been a real ass. Leasa
The whole thing is BS. The majority of Canadian people clearly told Jack and Dion that we don’t want you or your policies running our country. And now what do we get. A co-government which will be brought to its knees probably within 6 months by its two lesser parties pushing thier agendas. NDP fiscal policies will drive our economy even further into the dust, Bloc seperatism will have the greatest leverage of all time, and above all we get a bumbling oaf as our headman for 6 months. Great. Garth I thought you were smarter than this.
By Ben on 12.02.08 9:05 am
Sorry if the question scares you Ben. It should scare you. What I said is 100% true.
………
As usual Leasa, NOTHING you ever say is true.
As anyone who has read this blog for more than a week can confirm, you Leasa are absolutely without question a FILTHY LIAR.
Nothing you say scares me “Lyin’ Leasa”
because you would not know the truth if it bit you on your sorry lying ass.
Peddle your schoolyard smear tactics elsewhere.
Honestly Mr. Turner, I have no idea why you tolerate her. You certainly have more patience than the rest of us.
I emailed an American journalist who is working in France on an English newspaper and this is a quote from her response:
“But back to your original question of “is this fair” and “what does this mean for France.” I think the whole situation wreaks of corruption. As we have seen with Jean and now with Dion, the rules between the two countries are loose at best, and criminal at worst. I suspect that, concerning these two government officials, there are some “personal agreements” taking place. For laws to be bent in this way, I can assume that either someone is being paid off or some rules were never actually documented and officially signed – hence, how they are able to get away with what they are doing now.”
By Leasa on 12.02.08 8:43 am
Name of this jounalist please?
Coalition governments worldwide
Switzerland has been ruled by a loose coalition of the four strongest parties in parliament since 1959, called the “Magic Formula”.
Countries which often operate with coalition cabinets include: the Nordic countries, the Benelux countries, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan.
By wjp on 12.02.08 1:08 pm
In due time. I promise. I have not yet had her permission to print her name as of yet, but I will request that today. L
Bill, why does such a simple question scare you? BTW, there is no reason to be insulting. I used to think better of you, but lately you have been a real ass. Leasa
By Leasa on 12.02.08 12:27 pm
Because you are a LIAR Leecha. Now, go join Harper’s BS rallies, wave your little placard, yada, yada, yada. You support a man who is the Enemy of True Democracy. He is going DOWN!
If you feel the need to yak with someone here try the other morons who obviously failed basic math and can’t grasp what a real majority is numerically. Clue: Harper did NOT get a ‘majority’ of votes from the Canadian people.
Honestly Mr. Turner, I have no idea why you tolerate her. You certainly have more patience than the rest of us.
By Ben on 12.02.08 12:58 pm
Well, Ben my friend, soon if your coalition goes through you won’t have to ‘tolerate’ any opposition to your new socialist party’s plans. There will be no reason for CPC MPs to even show up in the House because the bloc will be calling the shots and have an agreement to support everything that suits them in the HoC and will be able to dictate conditions for the whole of Canada. Congratulations! You win, Canada loses. L
By barb the proofreader on 12.02.08 2:28 pm
And Switzerland is the OLDEST Confederation on this planet, since 1211.
Their Legislature meets but three months a year (last I checked) and then they go back to their normal jobs.
In due time. I promise. I have not yet had her permission to print her name as of yet, but I will request that today. L
By Leasa on 12.02.08 2:35 pm
Yeah, right Leecha. Make up a good one, eh? Someone no one here will bother vetting for authenticity. Ask your Supervisor there at the Death Star, I am sure they can find some deceased journalist without any tracability.
There will be no reason for CPC MPs to even show up in the House because…
By Leasa on 12.02.08 2:44 pm
There is no longer any need for their cheering section because their leader is GONE?
They speak not, think not, and act not for Canadians, so why will they be missed?
How does one join the PCP and where do we send our donations? Save what`s left of Canada now!
BY LEASA ON 12.02.08 2:44 PM
Sheesh Leasa, you’ve really ‘lost it’.
You are officially “Screaming Mimi” !!!!!!!
http://screamingbansheestudio.com/images/screamin_mimi.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_(comics)
Harper did NOT get a ‘majority’ of votes from the Canadian people.
By Bill-Muskoka (not anymore) on 12.02.08 2:36 pm
Give your head a shake Billy boy. The three Amigos didn’t get any votes to form a coalition. To say they got the majority of votes is bullshit to say the least. All their votes were for each individual party.
Rex did indeed. Reminded me of the scene in ‘Babylon-5? where Marcus, the Ranger, tells the self-proclaimed Imperial leaders ‘My, my, you have combined arrogance and ignorance. How efficient of you!’
By Bill-Muskoka (not anymore) on 12.01.08 11:20 pm
Why do you only tell half the truth and not tell us what he said about the three other clowns?
“In any case, the end of our disastrous experiment with the Reform Party is nigh. ”
Now we’ll see a socialist experiment the likes that Canada has never seen before. Be prepared for out of control spending and the 18% interest rates of the Trudeau years. You must remember those Garth.
So… if the coalition does go through, when will we meet our Kyoto targets? By 2012 as the 3 promised? Are we pulling out of Afghanistan next month?
This deal doesn’t have enough details to form a stable gov’t for 3 months let alone 18.